The Michael Knowles Show - September 21, 2026


Ep. 2064 - Patrick Clancy's 60 Minutes Interview Recap

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00:02:06.600 It is one of the most important interviews to air in decades, and the most important
00:02:10.820 stuff in it has absolutely nothing to do with the Lindsay Clancy trial or the circumstances
00:02:16.780 of her crime. Then, President Trump finally scores a deal for Greenland. Ed Sheeran caves
00:02:22.720 to the activists and talks on stage about Israel-Palestine. I feel like we haven't heard
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00:03:54.760 not getting enough play. We'll get to all of it. First, though, I want to get into this Patrick
00:03:58.800 Clancy interview. This was the big banner interview, the relaunch of 60 Minutes. They've
00:04:03.340 hired the conservative Ross Douthat from the New York Times. This was his first big break on 60
00:04:08.180 minutes with the tabloid true crime story that has had America talking for over a month now.
00:04:16.360 Everybody tunes in, and what they got, I think, was something totally different than what they
00:04:22.120 were expecting. In other words, the interview was extremely important. It was one of the most
00:04:27.240 important interviews, I think, to air in decades, but not for the reasons that everyone was expecting,
00:04:33.460 not for the reasons that they're even talking about now. I'll play just a couple of clips from
00:04:37.680 the interview to get into what it was. What everyone was expecting was some new detail about
00:04:42.480 the crime, some new detail about Lindsay Clancy's mental state in the lead up to her committing the
00:04:47.160 crime, some explosive revelation about the trial and her guilt or innocence. That's not what we
00:04:54.180 got. We got something actually much deeper and more important. One big revelation is on how
00:05:00.880 Patrick Clancy feels about his wife, which is that he says he's forgiven her, but the shock is
00:05:08.040 She has never asked for forgiveness.
00:05:11.400 I saw headlines that said, you know, killer mom and baby murderer, monster, 0.67
00:05:17.560 and none of them were accurate. 0.98
00:05:20.040 I believed that it was her mental illness that caused that. 0.85
00:05:23.820 So I shared those words. 0.53
00:05:26.460 And I think when it comes to forgiveness,
00:05:28.680 I also felt that if I didn't get there,
00:05:33.440 I would be eaten up inside forever.
00:05:37.160 Did you ask Lindsay why she did it?
00:05:42.680 I asked her if she remembered it.
00:05:45.700 And what did she say?
00:05:46.820 She said it was like a dream.
00:05:49.120 And she remembered it much in the way you would remember a dream after waking up.
00:05:56.040 Do you feel like you failed in some way in this period?
00:06:00.020 Or do you feel like you did the best you could?
00:06:02.120 I think I did the best I could with what I had at the time.
00:06:07.160 And I live with the outcome.
00:06:09.840 I live with it every day.
00:06:11.700 Has she ever asked for your forgiveness?
00:06:16.380 No.
00:06:17.520 But I gave it to her.
00:06:19.680 No.
00:06:20.600 No, she's never asked for forgiveness.
00:06:23.740 This is a little bit crazy.
00:06:26.060 Because Clancy here is giving the most gracious, most charitable take.
00:06:29.820 He'll be pilloried for that too, by the way. 1.00
00:06:31.500 And then the psycho ladies who are following Lindsay Clancy 1.00
00:06:34.180 will accuse him of doing it himself or something.
00:06:36.240 a point that not even Lindsay Clancy or her lawyer make. But we know he's going to be totally
00:06:41.380 pilloried for this answer. But what does he say? He says, I have forgiven her. She has never asked
00:06:46.600 forgiveness. Hold on. He says, I don't blame her personally. I think this is mostly due to her
00:06:52.960 mental illness. And I asked her if she remembered it. She said it was like a dream. But even if 0.71
00:06:58.100 that were all true, if you did something accidentally, if you did something because
00:07:02.700 of a fit of a psychosis, wouldn't you still ask forgiveness? Wouldn't you still express some kind
00:07:09.860 of sorrow or regret? He says she hasn't done any of that. So my takeaway about Lindsay Clancy from
00:07:15.980 that comment is the woman is simply a monster. Whatever else, she's just a monster. And yet, 1.00
00:07:25.420 Patrick Clancy says, I have forgiven her. Now, there's a Christian read of this, which is, well, 0.57
00:07:30.280 we're called to forgive people. We're called to forgive other people's trespasses because we want
00:07:36.820 God in heaven to forgive our trespasses. And we want to be forgiven in as much as we can forgive.
00:07:42.400 So there is a Christian read of that, but this seems more human than that. This seems more
00:07:48.400 terrestrial than that. What he's saying is, I had to forgive her because otherwise I would be eaten
00:07:54.740 up inside. So it's not even that I'm chiefly forgiving her because I think she deserves my
00:08:00.380 forgiveness. I'm just forgiving her because I will be destroyed. I will be eaten up inside
00:08:06.940 by my resentment and my fury and my rage if I don't forgive her. So it's not that I want to
00:08:13.220 forgive her. It's not that I want to move on. But the only way that I can survive
00:08:18.400 is by forgiving her.
00:08:21.380 Then he goes into how he celebrated his kid's next birthday.
00:08:28.140 Five weeks after I moved to New York on May 26th,
00:08:31.580 I had to figure out how I'm going to celebrate Calen's first birthday.
00:08:38.120 And how do you celebrate your son's first birthday months after he's passed away?
00:08:46.080 And so I go to St. Patrick's Cathedral.
00:08:48.400 I light a candle, and I say, I love you, buddy.
00:08:52.560 And I walk out on Fifth Avenue, and I start crying my eyes out.
00:08:58.840 And nobody cared.
00:09:00.700 And was that good? Were you grateful for that?
00:09:03.720 I thought, this is where I need to be.
00:09:06.240 I can grieve.
00:09:08.960 This interview is so, so important.
00:09:11.600 and the reason it's so so important is because it's it's just a guy suffering that's why it's
00:09:20.780 important and our culture doesn't permit that the the left does not deal with suffering they
00:09:29.380 won't acknowledge suffering they'll deny all manner of suffering and try to sublimate it into
00:09:34.060 political revolution this is why the real radical leftists they no longer even say rest in peace
00:09:39.400 It's requiescat in pace, which is a prayer that we say when people die.
00:09:44.300 It's a prayer for the dead, RIP.
00:09:46.000 That's what that, they won't say that.
00:09:46.940 They have to change it.
00:09:47.940 Rest in power.
00:09:49.700 What does that even mean, rest in power?
00:09:50.700 The person's dead.
00:09:51.600 Well, I don't think they're talking about heaven.
00:09:53.100 What they're talking about is there's going to be a kind of powerful effect,
00:09:57.520 a change to the world, a political revolution as a result of this.
00:10:01.140 In other words, we're going to take all that pain that we're feeling,
00:10:03.700 but we're going to use it for good.
00:10:06.060 George Floyd will not have died in vain.
00:10:08.160 No, sir, we're going to march. We're going to change the laws. Same thing on the right.
00:10:13.720 The right, which is more realistic than the left, the right has a big problem suffering.
00:10:19.200 This is because a lot of what passes for American Christianity lacks a theology of suffering.
00:10:25.520 Christianity has a very longstanding theology of suffering. We say we're going to kiss it up to God.
00:10:29.840 We have a sense that our sufferings are sanctifying experiences, that we can offer it up,
00:10:35.020 And this will somehow help us grow in holiness and bind us more closely to Christ, especially as Christ suffers on the cross.
00:10:42.940 But American Christianity, we're a little worse at that.
00:10:47.560 We don't quite have. 0.99
00:10:48.280 We have to be happy-clappy all the time.
00:10:51.000 At a lot of the American kind of funerals, even putatively Christian funerals, we say, no, you shouldn't be sad.
00:10:57.760 Don't be sad.
00:10:59.220 Your loved one is with Jesus right now.
00:11:01.860 We make these kind of confident claims,
00:11:05.440 claims with more confidence than is traditional in Christianity.
00:11:08.460 But regardless, even beyond that, we say, no, no, no, you got to be,
00:11:12.320 you got to be happy.
00:11:13.020 There's no suffering up there.
00:11:14.760 We're not even going to have funerals anymore.
00:11:16.360 We're going to have celebrations of life.
00:11:18.040 We can't even grieve at a funeral.
00:11:19.260 The funeral itself has to be a celebration.
00:11:21.900 No, no, it's okay.
00:11:24.520 Don't cry.
00:11:25.360 Don't grieve.
00:11:26.100 In other words, as if it were somehow a mark of a weak faith, if you are to grieve.
00:11:32.680 Never mind, of course, that Christ himself weeps in the Gospels over the death of Lazarus.
00:11:38.100 No, we feel uncomfortable with that.
00:11:40.900 And on the left and the right, we have this impulse to take whatever grief we have and to transform it into some political crusade.
00:11:51.300 But that's not what's going on here.
00:11:53.680 The Patrick Clancy interview reveals all of that to be weak, reveals all of that to be insufficient,
00:12:00.560 because there's no crusade here. There's no law to change. Are we going to now pass a law? Hey,
00:12:05.260 we're going to pass the new Lindsey Clancy law. Moms are no longer allowed to kill their kids. 1.00
00:12:09.740 Some on the left want to pass new laws that make it easier for moms to kill their kids.
00:12:13.020 But for the people who are grieving with this guy, who feel sympathy for this guy,
00:12:17.900 There's no law.
00:12:19.280 There's no crusade.
00:12:21.400 There's no great illuminating fact, some kind of enlightenment that changes the way we think.
00:12:28.480 No, it's just sad.
00:12:30.320 It's just a guy grieving.
00:12:32.540 And there's not all that much to be done.
00:12:35.060 The most you can do in this case is forgive the perpetrator, very difficult to do, and go light a candle and cry.
00:12:43.740 You can't actually cure suffering.
00:12:46.340 the political radicals on the left and the feel-good power of positive thinking people
00:12:52.460 that you sometimes see on the right, what they're all after is trying to eliminate suffering from
00:12:57.440 life. If you just take this one health supplement, if you just enact this one political revolution,
00:13:04.400 if we just kill the kulaks and transform the political order a little bit and you give the 1.00
00:13:08.820 government a little bit more money and you pass some new law, then we're not going to have 1.00
00:13:11.740 suffering anymore, but that doesn't work. It doesn't actually work. There just is suffering,
00:13:16.620 and it's something that we have to grapple with in this life, in this veil of tears that we find
00:13:22.740 ourselves in. And the Patrick Clancy interview puts that on display. How do we deal with that?
00:13:29.920 How do we look in our quiet hours and just deal with the fact that life deals us sad
00:13:37.300 circumstances sometimes. What are we to do with that? And there's no resting in power. There's
00:13:43.700 no, yes, there was this crime, but it's actually going to redound to greater good. It's actually
00:13:49.940 a good thing in a way. No. At the scale of eschatology, maybe that's soteriology, maybe
00:13:55.020 that's the case. But in this world, no. How are we going to deal with suffering? Really powerful.
00:14:01.440 So obviously, we should just pray for Patrick Lancy and pray for ourselves because hopefully
00:14:06.600 none of us ever has to experience something that horrific in our lives, but we're all going to
00:14:11.060 experience sad stuff. How are we going to deal with it? I think a lot of the mental health
00:14:14.880 crisis, as it's called, crisis of meaning, the crisis of social alienation, the loneliness
00:14:21.060 epidemic, a lot of it comes back to this problem. We don't know how to suffer. And Patrick Clancy
00:14:26.200 is giving a masterclass in that. Okay. Speaking of suffering and death, the political activists
00:14:32.800 are causing a lot of suffering for Ed Sheeran,
00:14:34.760 who finally caved.
00:14:35.800 You know this whole story.
00:14:37.620 Ed Sheeran's doing a tour.
00:14:38.880 He invited Macklemore to do the tour.
00:14:40.520 Macklemore, I guess, is some singer or whatever.
00:14:42.320 And Macklemore decided to hijack the stage
00:14:44.580 to make it all about his views
00:14:46.180 on the Israel-Palestine conflict.
00:14:48.300 And then activists on the other side
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00:14:53.060 had to fire Macklemore from the tour
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00:14:56.820 And then Ed Sheeran finally did it.
00:14:58.080 But then he caught a little bit of backlash
00:14:59.140 from the other activists.
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00:16:28.260 Ed Sheeran gets squeezed.
00:16:29.720 This is his take.
00:16:32.660 I am deeply worried about the idea that venues should pre-approve content for performers.
00:16:38.260 This happens in so many places that I perform around the world, but it should never happen in the free world.
00:16:47.880 Now, I want to address the question of where I stand in the situation in Israel and Palestine
00:16:53.780 and whether my doing this concert here tonight implies where I stand.
00:16:57.780 I have tried in my career not to be a political commentator of any kind
00:17:01.780 because I want my music and shows to be about unity, not division.
00:17:05.780 About humanity, not politics.
00:17:11.780 But this is a humanitarian issue and I cannot hide how I feel about it anymore.
00:17:17.780 What happened in Israel and at the Nova Music Festival on October 7th
00:17:21.780 October 7th was horrific and compounded centuries of Jewish pain. What is happening in Gaza is 0.79
00:17:28.940 catastrophic and unjustifiable and disproportionate. My heart has been broken by the scale of
00:17:35.880 devastation and loss of civilians' lives, of children's lives. And the systemic injustice
00:17:43.240 we're seeing unfold in the West Bank cannot be overlooked. Okay, now the most interesting thing
00:17:48.900 about this clip. It's being reported, and Sheeran sobs on stage over the Israel Palace. He didn't
00:17:54.180 sob on stage. He's giving a very measured take. Notice, though, where he gets the applause.
00:18:00.960 He doesn't get the applause for speaking out against Israel, nor does he get the applause
00:18:07.660 for defending Israel and criticizing Hamas. He doesn't get the applause for either of those.
00:18:12.000 He gets the applause for his preface when he says, look, I've tried not to be a pundit. I'm
00:18:16.320 not a political commentator. I just want to play my tunes and make people feel good at a concert.
00:18:22.720 That's where he gets the applause. That's where the whole crowd is going,
00:18:25.400 woo, yeah, you're right. Don't talk about politics. We don't want that.
00:18:29.400 But Ed Sheeran has been forced to talk about politics because of a very small number of
00:18:35.360 political activists on both sides of this issue. The idea that there is some huge number of
00:18:42.900 ardently pro-Palestine activists in the Ed Sheeran audience or the broader public is absurd.
00:18:49.260 The handful of people who are really hardcore free Palestine and the apartheid Israel regime
00:18:55.260 wearing the keffies marching in the streets, it's like four people in Greta Thunberg, okay?
00:18:59.400 It's not a real constituency. Likewise, the people who are ardently pro-Israel,
00:19:05.480 who demand that we dehumanize the Palestinian Arabs and we say that the defense of the Israeli
00:19:12.120 state is the most important. There are like five of those people too. The activists wield an undue 0.68
00:19:18.520 amount of influence in the political conversation, but they don't, most people don't care that much.
00:19:24.460 You want to know the thing that's going to equally irritate the pro-Palestine people and the pro-Israel
00:19:28.640 people. Most people don't care that much about the Israel-Palestine conflict. I find it interesting.
00:19:33.660 It's a, it's an intractable geopolitical problem. It goes back millennia, but in terms of the
00:19:38.600 people who actually, it's very, very few. And that's what's being represented in the applause.
00:19:44.740 And so why is Ed Sheeran doing this? The reason Ed Sheeran is doing this is because
00:19:49.700 both of those groups wield a disproportionate amount of influence in the conversation.
00:19:53.920 The pro-Palestine groups control a lot of public opinion institutions, and the pro-Israel groups
00:20:01.580 wield a lot of power within various industries as well. And so it was the pro-Palestine groups
00:20:07.600 who are ginning up, who are creating all of that fervor such that Macklemore decides to
00:20:12.340 hijack Ed Sheeran's concert tour. And then it was the pro-Israel groups who got the venue owners
00:20:18.020 to try to shut down the tour and to pressure Ed Sheeran into firing Macklemore.
00:20:22.060 And here's Macklemore squeezed in the middle. And so what is his opinion? The opinion he offers is
00:20:27.720 it's really bad what Hamas did to the state of Israel on October 7th, 2023.
00:20:33.000 and Israel was maybe a little heavy-handed
00:20:36.640 in some of the response to that in Gaza
00:20:39.000 and the Israeli settlers are committing crimes
00:20:41.520 in the West Bank.
00:20:43.840 In other words, he has the most moderate view
00:20:46.360 that basically every reasonable person believes in.
00:20:49.880 No moral person can possibly say 0.98
00:20:52.720 that what Hamas and the Gazans did 0.89
00:20:54.980 to the state of Israel on October 7th
00:20:56.920 is in any way justified. 0.58
00:20:58.080 It was completely horrific.
00:20:59.880 And I think most observers would say
00:21:01.960 the Israeli state sometimes is a little bit heavy handed in their military operations.
00:21:07.600 And basically every reasonable person, including up to the United States State Department, 0.55
00:21:13.840 says that the Israeli settlers are expanding way too much in the West Bank and they need to cut it 0.85
00:21:17.180 out. In other words, Ed Sheeran just goes on stage and goes, you want my political opinion? 0.97
00:21:21.240 I'm going to give you the most normie and unobjectionable political opinion ever.
00:21:26.160 And people don't even really want that. Good on Sheeran. People are knocking Sheeran because
00:21:30.860 they're saying, oh, he's capitulating either to, they're accusing him of opposite crimes,
00:21:35.960 either of capitulating to the pro-Israel forces or the pro-Palestine activists or whatever.
00:21:40.960 He's not doing that. He's saying, you know, my view, my view is the most normie view,
00:21:44.160 which is held by probably 85% of people on this subject. And by the way, I don't want to talk
00:21:51.260 about politics from my concert stage. I'm not competent to do it. I'm not a political pundit.
00:21:56.020 I'm not interested in doing it. And you're all here to hear music. And guess what? The entire
00:22:00.200 audience goes crazy for that statement. I think Ed Sheeran handled, I might be the only person
00:22:05.260 saying this. I think Ed Sheeran handled this very, very well. And I think that the main takeaway
00:22:11.200 from this whole non-traversy, this whole tempest in a teapot, which was mostly a product of social
00:22:17.860 media, is that the vast majority of people are irritated with the pro-Palestine activists and
00:22:22.920 the pro-Israel activists for hijacking a venue, a medium that is totally inappropriate for political
00:22:31.540 commentary. I'm with Sharon. Good on Sharon. Okay. The other reason he had to say it actually
00:22:37.540 has nothing to do with the conflict. It's just that he has to save face so he doesn't look like 0.71
00:22:41.740 he's being bullied by either group of protesters. So it's a face-saving thing to say, hey, I'm still
00:22:47.100 in charge of my shows. I'm still in charge of my concert tour. But he is the most sympathetic
00:22:51.380 figure of all of the activists in this whole episode. Now, speaking of international conflict,
00:22:56.480 some pretty big news after a year and a half now of lobbying for it. President Trump has just
00:23:02.440 gotten his deal in Greenland. He has just kind of sort of a little bit acquired Greenland for
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00:24:24.420 President Trump tweets out.
00:24:25.920 He usually just posts on True Social.
00:24:27.280 This is a tweet.
00:24:27.820 Breaking news.
00:24:29.340 I'm pleased to announce that the United States of America
00:24:31.100 has entered into an agreement
00:24:32.080 with the Kingdom of Denmark and Greenland
00:24:34.340 that gives the United States permanent control
00:24:36.600 over security and all other needs in Greenland,
00:24:39.080 completely addressing all of our many U.S. concerns.
00:24:42.060 There will be no cost to the United States.
00:24:43.660 Don't forget, Trump had offered to spend gazillions of dollars acquiring Greenland,
00:24:47.160 making it the 51st state or some kind of official protectorate.
00:24:50.240 But no, he says, in my direction, we worked with representatives of Denmark and Greenland
00:24:54.280 to guarantee that the United States will forever have the complete ability to do what is necessary
00:24:58.240 in Greenland in order to secure and defend the security of Greenland and the United States of
00:25:02.700 America.
00:25:03.220 Now, the people who are attacking Trump over this, their argument is that the deal that
00:25:08.540 he supposedly got is no different from the deal we already had going back to 1951 that gave the
00:25:14.620 U.S. a lot of military rights in Greenland. And that is not true. Notice here the inclusion of
00:25:20.280 Denmark. There are many people who have been hearing about this whole conflict who don't
00:25:24.020 even realize that Greenland is owned by Denmark. So a lot of the conflict from the super libs is
00:25:30.760 over supposed imperialism. They say Trump is trying to bring back imperialism and colonialism
00:25:35.220 by taking the sovereign nation of Greenland. Hey, Greenland isn't sovereign. It isn't really
00:25:41.680 sovereign. Greenland is owned by Denmark, by this tiny little country. Why does Denmark own
00:25:45.680 Greenland? So that objection was totally ridiculous. We have to engage in negotiations 0.95
00:25:51.220 with Denmark. And what we got is different than what we had. So the way that this differs from
00:25:55.900 the 1951 agreement is that Greenland is now a direct party to the treaty. Previously, we were
00:26:03.960 just dealing with Denmark because Denmark owned Greenland. But increasingly, there has been some
00:26:08.020 movement for Greenland to have independence from Denmark. So if the United States is going to secure
00:26:13.420 its interests in Greenland and the Arctic and fend off enemies like Russia and China,
00:26:18.520 we're going to have to include Greenland more directly, just as a hedge against Greenland
00:26:22.920 independence. A lot of the commentary around Trump's provocations in this issue have been
00:26:29.020 that we're alienating our longtime ally Denmark. But that's not totally the issue. A bigger issue
00:26:35.280 is that Greenland might break away. We need to secure our interests here. So the 1951 pact that
00:26:40.740 we had with Denmark was sufficient for a long time for the Cold War. We built up a lot of military
00:26:47.740 bases and resources in Greenland during the Cold War. And then the Cold War ended. We began to pull
00:26:54.040 some of our military resources away. This new deal is with Denmark and Greenland, and it will 0.51
00:27:00.000 remain in effect even if Greenland goes independent. The other thing the deal says is that non-NATO
00:27:05.960 countries cannot establish bases or maintain troops in Greenland without the direct written
00:27:11.540 approval of the United States. The previous treaty did not have that. Maybe it wasn't likely that
00:27:16.760 Greenland was going to invite the Russians or the Chinese to come station some troops in Greenland,
00:27:20.300 but there was nothing preventing them from doing that. This treaty says no chance. Greenland
00:27:25.100 effectively belongs to the United States. Next thing it includes, the new treaty. Again,
00:27:30.480 we haven't seen the text of this, but this is the announcement today, and no one really seems
00:27:33.420 to be disputing it. The next part of this is that US approval will be required not just for foreign
00:27:38.860 powers bringing their military to Greenland, but even for foreign powers bringing their private
00:27:42.760 companies to Greenland. Any sensitive investments must be approved by the United States. Don't
00:27:49.920 forget, Greenland is rich in critical minerals, in mining, and all sorts of other resources that
00:27:57.940 are relevant to security and also to private industry. And China and Russia and other enemies
00:28:02.980 of the United States might rather want to get their hands on some of those. The 1951 agreement
00:28:08.820 would have let them do it. This new agreement says no chance. You're not getting any of that 0.89
00:28:12.520 with that American approval, even more clearly making the case that Greenland now technically
00:28:18.780 belongs to Denmark, might become officially independent, but practically speaking, belongs
00:28:24.520 to the United States. Even as a matter of the military, we are now treating Greenland as part
00:28:29.600 of Northern Command. We're treating Greenland as part of looking northward toward the American
00:28:36.760 interests rather than looking toward Europe. Finally, and this is where the rubber meets the
00:28:41.560 road, the US is going to rebuild the military in Greenland. We are going to build up our troops
00:28:47.340 in Greenland. Now, according to the 1951 treaty, we would have had every right to do that.
00:28:53.780 The thing is, though, practically speaking, we would have had to negotiate it because it would
00:28:57.240 have been a major change. For the last 30 years, we've drawn down our troops. We've drawn down
00:29:01.340 our resources in Greenland. We're going to have to build those back up because we are looking at,
00:29:05.800 or potentially already in, a Cold War with China, and we're in a major proxy war with Russia.
00:29:13.520 So the world is getting hotter.
00:29:15.040 We seem to be lurching ever closer toward war.
00:29:17.840 That would have required some kind of negotiation.
00:29:19.980 This is the negotiation we got.
00:29:21.440 People are going to be going after Trump, and they're going to say,
00:29:23.780 well, you told us that you were going to officially acquire Greenland.
00:29:26.540 It was going to become a state.
00:29:27.660 It was going to become a formal U.S. protectorate.
00:29:29.880 You didn't get it.
00:29:30.520 So, ha-ha, you lost. 0.99
00:29:31.640 The Danish won. 0.98
00:29:32.840 The Greenlanders won.
00:29:35.460 You got nothing, Trump.
00:29:36.840 This totally misunderstands the way that Trump negotiates.
00:29:39.620 And I'm not just trying to flack for the president here.
00:29:42.640 I'm at least somewhat critical of the president when I disagree with his policies, but this is
00:29:47.000 just basic Trump 101. Scott Adams was talking about this for years, going back 10 years.
00:29:51.340 The way Trump negotiates is he always talks past the sale. So if what he wants is control over
00:29:56.540 Greenland and to build up our military and to keep foreign powers out of the area,
00:30:01.080 what he's going to ask for is to make Greenland part of New Jersey or something. What he's going
00:30:06.540 to ask for is to become the direct governor of Greenland or to send Marco Rubio to be the direct
00:30:11.420 governor of Greenland and to build 25 Trump towers in Greenland. He's going to ask for
00:30:15.160 way more than he actually wants. And then when he comes back a little bit, everybody can have
00:30:20.160 a win-win. It's a big diplomatic victory here for Trump because Trump has irritated a lot of
00:30:24.820 our partners. That criticism of Trump, I think, is legitimate. But in the end here, you have the
00:30:31.520 Europeans celebrating this, Macron celebrating this, the Dane celebrating this, Greenland
00:30:36.100 celebrating this. Greenland's a little more trepidatious, I think. And America can celebrate.
00:30:40.180 it's a win. The people who are very upset about this deal are China and Russia. And that was the
00:30:45.800 whole point of the campaign in the first place. It was good stuff. Speaking of other Trump wins,
00:30:50.980 DOJ here just keeps the hits coming. You remember a month or two ago, we were talking about how
00:30:57.380 the DOJ secured a major victory in court, was able to force a hospital that transed kids
00:31:04.520 to stop transing the kids, and then to give a major settlement to establish a clinic that 0.59
00:31:09.980 would provide free care for the kids that they had transed to come back and be detransed. 0.99
00:31:14.700 Major, major win. Really one of the biggest formal moves in the process of eradicating 1.00
00:31:21.800 transgenderism from public life entirely. Well, the hits just keep on coming. There was that first 1.00
00:31:26.400 hospital. Then there was another hospital. Now, NYU, Langone, and the University of Pittsburgh
00:31:32.440 Medical Center have both agreed to cease providing quote-unquote gender-affirming care to minors,
00:31:38.520 including puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones, and to stop performing surgical procedures. On top
00:31:43.620 of that, NYU Langone is going to pay eight and a half million bucks. University of Penn Medical
00:31:48.500 Center is going to pay almost a million bucks. They're going to establish detransition clinics
00:31:53.420 to help the poor kids who were destroyed by that leftist ideology that the left forced all of us
00:31:59.460 to accept or face social ostracism, losing our jobs, punishment in schools, and so on. This was
00:32:05.640 their most cherished fad for several years there in the early 2020s, and is now being destroyed,
00:32:13.240 not just by the popular culture, but by the heavy hand of the state, which is taking money from them
00:32:19.720 through the courts to make them do the right thing and help the kids. This is a win. Major,
00:32:25.580 major win. And the DOJ said it when the first hospital agreed to do it. They said,
00:32:30.040 this is the beginning of many such cases. Every single hospital in the United States
00:32:35.780 that was trancing the kids, I think really trancing anybody, but certainly trancing the kids,
00:32:41.140 needs to pay for it. Not just stop. They're all going to stop. They're basically all going to
00:32:46.920 stop at this point because they're afraid of pecuniary punishments, but they need to pay.
00:32:54.320 They need to be punished. They need courts to come in and smack them down. They need the heavy
00:32:59.140 hand of the state to stop them from their immense predations. I know there are a lot of people who
00:33:04.300 are libertarian or quasi-anarchistic on the American right. They don't want the government
00:33:09.760 ever to do anything. But let me ask you a question. If you accept that we should have at least some
00:33:16.920 kind of government, even a government so small you can fit it in your pocket, if we acknowledge
00:33:20.540 that there is some role in society for the government, and the government does not have a
00:33:27.200 role in stopping freaks and creeps and moneyed interests from castrating little children,
00:33:33.360 a crime that boggles the imagination, something that should be universally condemned.
00:33:39.480 If the government doesn't have a role in that, in regulating the medical industry and protecting
00:33:45.180 little kids from freaks and perverts, what's the government for? What does the government have a
00:33:52.220 role in. Hard to say the government has a role in anything. Good stuff, big, big win. Especially
00:33:59.420 after a study came out in April. I don't know if we even talked about it on the show. Very few
00:34:04.060 people talked about it, but it's totally pertinent to these agreements. This is a study out of
00:34:08.440 Finland. Scandinavia is getting a lot of play. Denmark, Finland. There was this Finnish study
00:34:13.880 that just destroyed whatever vestige of minor credibility the trans movement had.
00:34:20.820 That is gone after this study that came out in April.
00:34:23.420 It's starting to make the rounds a little bit today,
00:34:24.800 I think because of this great news.
00:34:28.180 It's a peer-reviewed study published in Octa Pediatrica,
00:34:32.240 which showed that the trans treatments 1.00
00:34:35.480 make the kids more miserable. 1.00
00:34:39.340 And not just a little bit more miserable, 0.98
00:34:41.480 not just a little bit more crazy, 0.99
00:34:44.360 many multiples more miserable and crazy.
00:34:46.800 This was a study came out of Tampere University Hospital. It tracked every young person under 23
00:34:55.340 who went or contacted the nation's gender identity clinics from 1996 to 2019. So for essentially the
00:35:03.400 whole history of transgenderism. There were a lot of people here, over 2,000 people. They were
00:35:08.460 followed for up to 25 years. There were over 16, almost 17,000 population controls. Because Finland
00:35:15.160 has kind of a nanny state because their health registers are mandatory because the patients
00:35:19.900 cannot opt out of them. This data set is the most complete transgender data set we have ever had, 0.96
00:35:26.240 and what did they find? They found severe psychiatric morbidity is common among gender
00:35:31.000 referred adolescents and appears to be more prevalent in those referred after the recent
00:35:36.320 surge of referrals. Psychiatric means do not subside after medical gender reassignment.
00:35:42.280 Among the young people who went under medical gender reassignment,
00:35:46.200 psychiatric morbidity increased markedly during the follow-up.
00:35:50.800 So before they got all the trans treatments, psychiatric morbidity was 9.8%.
00:35:56.480 Afterward, it was almost 61%. 1.00
00:36:00.420 That was in the boys who decided to look more like girls. 0.90
00:36:04.940 How bad in the girls who decided to look more like boys? 0.65
00:36:07.380 went from 21.6% to 54.5%. So at least doubling, at least doubling, and in some cases,
00:36:17.460 sextupling. The big takeaway here for us is not just to keep hammering the trans issue,
00:36:23.360 though we should because it's a major political win at a time when the Democrats and the left
00:36:27.060 have a lot of political wins at their sales. It's a good thing to focus on the winning issues.
00:36:31.280 But beyond the politics of it all, the big political takeaway for us from the study and
00:36:36.760 from the DOJ agreements. It turns out lying does not make you happy. That's the takeaway.
00:36:45.400 That is the takeaway from the whole transgender craze. That is the thesis of the people who are 1.00
00:36:51.140 arguing against the transgender craze, myself included. The basic thesis applies to a lot more
00:36:56.320 than just transgenderism. The thesis is lying does not make you happy. What the left told us was
00:37:02.780 if a boy thinks he's a girl we should lie we should tell that kid to lie about himself and
00:37:09.640 we should all lie to him and we should tell everybody else including the girls who want 0.74
00:37:13.160 their own bathrooms and sports leagues we should tell them to lie too and if we all just lie
00:37:17.360 everyone will be happier that's what the left tells us about a lot of things 0.99
00:37:22.820 that seems to be the left's argument uh hey let's lie about what marriage is because homosexuals 0.87
00:37:30.760 are upset that they're not getting married because they are not attracted to people of 0.97
00:37:37.120 the opposite sex. So they miss out on the good of marriage. Let's just lie. And let's just pretend
00:37:41.560 that they are getting married, even though they're not. That'll make everyone happier, right?
00:37:45.840 Hey, some people don't feel that they're succeeding in life. Let's just tell them that
00:37:50.900 it's never their fault. Just tell them it's not their fault, and then they'll be happier.
00:37:55.500 Do they get happier?
00:37:56.300 No, they become more resentful.
00:37:57.420 They become angrier. 1.00
00:37:59.800 Let's, some women want to be men, 0.77
00:38:02.540 not just in the transgender movement, but in feminism. 0.75
00:38:05.300 So let's tell them that they're just as suited
00:38:07.660 for all professional fields as men.
00:38:09.420 And let's tell them that they relate to sex
00:38:11.100 in exactly the same way as men. 0.99
00:38:12.380 Let's tell them to go out into a hookup culture. 0.98
00:38:14.460 Let's tell them that the only virtues that matter 1.00
00:38:16.960 are the masculine virtue. 0.99
00:38:17.740 Let's just lie to them. 1.00
00:38:18.460 That'll make them happier, right?
00:38:19.400 In every one of those cases,
00:38:21.940 the lying makes people less happy.
00:38:23.420 because it turns out that the truth actually is what sets you free. That's the big takeaway here.
00:38:30.760 And we should apply it beyond the transgender craze, which, by the way, you're beginning to 1.00
00:38:36.300 see the consequences of this exact kind of regime of lies cropping up in the IVF issue, which is 0.89
00:38:42.560 much more controversial. All the conservatives and the disillusioned libs and the centrists
00:38:46.460 and the normies, we all agree transing the kids is bad. And most of us agree transing the adults 0.99
00:38:51.880 is bad. And an increasing number of us agree that redefining marriage is probably bad. But the one 0.99
00:38:57.860 that you can talk to a pro-life Christian conservative, and many of them will say, 0.90
00:39:03.900 but IVF in the surrogacy industry, that's good. And we are getting more and more evidence 0.96
00:39:09.700 that it's really, really bad. Shocking story that I have been talking about and predicting for
00:39:14.740 months. I hate to say I told you so. Shocking story out of Florida, out of Jacksonville,
00:39:18.820 an IVF clinic, whoopsie-daisy, created a baby with the wrong father.
00:39:25.320 Before we get to that, my favorite comment on Friday is from Toby Breedlove, who says,
00:39:28.460 pretty sure Daily Wire is paternity leave. Wow. Talk about providential. Talk about a great segue.
00:39:33.320 The comment is, pretty sure Daily Wire is paternity leave is the approximate time it
00:39:36.280 takes to smoke a cigar. That's true. People keep asking me because my baby is coming any moment
00:39:41.840 now, and I'm way behind on work. And they said, Michael, you're going to take a little paternity
00:39:46.680 leave. How's the daily wire paternity leave plan? I say, it's good. Sometimes they'll let us take
00:39:50.860 breakfast off. And you say it's the time it takes to smoke one cigar in the car. My last kid, I was
00:39:57.400 driving back from the hospital on my way to work. I didn't miss one single show, you may have noticed.
00:40:01.400 And I lit a cigar in the car to celebrate the birth of my child. And I got to work a little
00:40:06.940 early. I finished the cigar, went and did my show. So anyway, I'm hoping not to miss a show.
00:40:11.260 So maybe I'll miss one, but I'm hoping not to.
00:40:14.140 Okay, this IVF issue.
00:40:17.440 I know it's very sensitive for people
00:40:18.780 because a lot of people have kids from IVF.
00:40:20.560 We all know people who have used IVF.
00:40:22.440 We all know that those people, they're not evil.
00:40:24.640 They're not psychopaths.
00:40:25.900 They did it for the best of reasons. 0.88
00:40:27.680 We all know that infertility is really brutal.
00:40:29.620 It's a really awful thing to deal with.
00:40:32.240 And so a lot of people do not want to follow their ideas
00:40:36.360 to their logical conclusions
00:40:37.480 because they feel that it would risk
00:40:41.460 taking away from them some good that they desire,
00:40:44.180 like getting a kid after infertility.
00:40:47.440 Well, here is yet another one of the problems of IVF.
00:40:50.800 I mentioned, and we all know,
00:40:52.780 that IVF, practically speaking,
00:40:55.020 massively increases the number of abortions
00:40:56.800 because the way IVF works practically
00:40:58.880 is you create a lot of people,
00:41:00.640 you put them in a freezer in a Petri dish,
00:41:02.520 then you only use some of them.
00:41:03.940 If you implant all of them,
00:41:05.080 very often you end up aborting the extra ones
00:41:07.260 that take. Otherwise, you just freeze them forever and then eventually destroy them.
00:41:11.540 So if we're opposed to abortion, practically speaking, it's very hard to support IVF.
00:41:16.440 Then on top of that, we know that this establishes the domination of science and technology over the
00:41:22.220 origin and destiny of human life. In other words, it accretes to unethical scientists and to we,
00:41:27.900 the individuals, a power that does not properly belong to us. And in so doing, it deprives
00:41:32.660 children of certain rights because we're now buying and selling children on the open market.
00:41:37.780 That's bad.
00:41:39.120 We have a 13th Amendment. 0.98
00:41:40.260 We got rid of slavery.
00:41:41.360 We all know it's wrong to commoditize human beings,
00:41:43.440 and yet we do it through the surrogacy industry.
00:41:47.240 On top of that, there is the exploitation of young women 1.00
00:41:49.420 who rent out their wombs
00:41:51.520 because they want to make a quick $30,000. 1.00
00:41:54.360 We harvest eggs from various mothers 1.00
00:41:58.060 who want to sell some money.
00:41:59.760 We pay guys to commit a gravely immoral act
00:42:02.300 into a Petri dish, into a little cup at a clinic.
00:42:05.380 It is bad stuff all around.
00:42:07.260 and one of the stories, one of the real downsides we hear is that sometimes they implant the wrong
00:42:12.600 embryos in the wrong people. So, you know, a black mother gives birth to a Chinese baby,
00:42:17.340 and the Indian mother gives birth to a white baby, and then you realize, well, this isn't my baby. 0.96
00:42:22.540 So, now we're inflicting a trauma on the kid where we say that in order to return you to 0.95
00:42:26.640 your biological parents, we're ripping you away from the only mother you've ever known.
00:42:30.720 Maybe you'll be raised by that mother for a few months while it all gets sorted out in court. I 0.98
00:42:34.040 I mean, it's just horrible.
00:42:35.380 But there's one circumstance that's even worse than that.
00:42:38.840 And I've talked about it.
00:42:39.640 A lot of people didn't believe me that it was actually happening.
00:42:41.800 Sometimes the scientists to whom we've given power over the origin and destiny of human life,
00:42:46.460 sometimes they don't just mix up the embryos.
00:42:49.520 They mix up the component parts that go to make the embryo.
00:42:53.140 They mix up the vials of sperm.
00:42:56.520 When that happens, you don't just accidentally gestate a baby in the wrong mother and then
00:43:01.020 return her to her real mother later.
00:43:02.620 In that case, you create a person whose mother and father have never even met each other, as we saw in Good Morning America.
00:43:12.920 Florida couple Natalie and Joshua Strong say they were overjoyed when their daughter was born last year after two rounds of IVF treatments.
00:43:20.820 But they quickly realized something was wrong.
00:43:23.840 It took away the euphoria of having a baby.
00:43:26.120 A blood test revealed their daughter had the blood type B positive, but Natalie and Joshua each have negative blood types.
00:43:32.620 making it biologically impossible for them to be the biological parents.
00:43:37.240 A DNA test confirmed their suspicions.
00:43:40.000 I honestly don't know how to answer it.
00:43:42.400 I mean, this is going to affect us for the rest of our lives.
00:43:45.420 Natalie was their daughter's mother, but Joshua was not her father.
00:43:49.520 It's a daily struggle with, you know, the emotional aspect of it,
00:43:55.840 because, you know, you do have sadness and anger,
00:43:59.960 and in the same day, you also have joy and love.
00:44:02.620 Now they're suing their clinic. Brown Fertility Associates in Jacksonville and its lead physician
00:44:07.540 accusing them of negligence for using an unidentified man's sperm to create their
00:44:12.420 embryo. Their attorney says situations like this happen far too often in the fertility industry.
00:44:18.500 Corners are cut, that clinics are understaffed, and that is what has led to this rash of
00:44:25.880 problems that we see. Okay, respectfully, Mr. Lawyer, no, that's not what led to the problems.
00:44:32.620 clinics are understaffed. They just need a little more staffing. They just need to hire a few more
00:44:37.300 people. They need a little more funding. No. The problem is you've commoditized human life
00:44:42.840 and you have created a legal regime, a novel legal regime that allows people to go to deeply
00:44:48.680 unethical scientists and order a custom baby. And then some, just like when you order a custom suit,
00:44:54.300 when you order a custom car, you order a custom gun, sometimes the product doesn't come back
00:44:59.680 exactly as you want. And in that case, you can sometimes return the product or have them fix it.
00:45:05.460 In this case, it's a human being. It's not a product. It's not a commodity. It's not some
00:45:09.560 good to be bought and sold. So now you have this poor baby who has been denied knowing his
00:45:15.820 biological father. You got this poor father who has been medically cuckolded by a bunch of weird 0.51
00:45:21.360 scientists. You got this mother who says she no longer feels joy at having a kid.
00:45:25.860 everyone is made worse by this. And the problem is not just, ah, well, that was an error of the
00:45:35.320 agency. We'll sue them. Don't worry. We'll sue them. You'll get some money. The error was a
00:45:41.100 moral error of all the people who engaged in this. I don't mean to sound judgy. We all sin.
00:45:45.760 We fall short of the glory of God. A lot of people fall into this unintentionally or because
00:45:50.080 they're emotionally manipulated or emotionally vulnerable. A lot of them because they haven't
00:45:53.620 thought through the bioethical implications of this really weird industry. But it is increasingly
00:45:59.200 difficult to pretend that we don't know. This is just wrong. It's a Faustian bargain. You are
00:46:09.400 agreeing to make all sorts of moral compromises from how the doctor gets the male part of this
00:46:17.140 all the way down to the openness in most cases to abortion, all the way down to the personal
00:46:26.160 selection of a baby like you're looking in a catalog. By the way, this is a married couple.
00:46:30.200 We're not even talking about individuals or homosexuals doing this. 0.86
00:46:34.080 Or foreign powers trying to gain US citizenship through baby farms, 0.91
00:46:37.820 one of which was just shut down. Thousand Chinese babies being born through an industry.
00:46:42.660 We're not even talking about this. We're talking about the best version of the IVF
00:46:45.620 industry. And this is what happens. Because when you start to take powers for yourself that do not
00:46:55.640 properly belong to you, when you begin to commercialize things that are not properly
00:46:59.660 commercial, when you begin to treat proper subjects who have rights themselves as objects
00:47:04.680 for your own desires, this is what happens. This is what inevitably happens. And I think
00:47:13.220 increasingly we can't pretend that it doesn't. And we can't pretend that this is not intrinsic
00:47:18.220 to the whole industry, which seems to me should be shut down. Okay, there's so much more I want
00:47:23.520 to get to. Thomas Massey has gone from being the principled libertarian standing up against
00:47:31.480 the weaknesses of MAGA, the big government, the perfidy of MAGA in his mind. Thomas Massey is
00:47:40.040 becoming a full-on resistance lib, now parroting Democrat talking points about the Save America
00:47:46.320 Act. We don't have time for that today. That's my tease. We'll get to that tomorrow. The rest
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00:48:06.160 Every significant movement in history has started with protesting. 1.00
00:48:08.860 You're a traitor! 1.00
00:48:09.680 Uncle Tom! 1.00
00:48:10.460 This is our generation's civil rights!
00:48:12.180 I have no idea what the protest is about.
00:48:14.180 Bingo!
00:48:14.740 Given the current climate,
00:48:16.180 you should have figured as polarizing as Clay Saunders
00:48:18.840 can even be allowed on Kansas City.
00:48:20.140 Ah, can you hear me okay?
00:48:21.380 Saunders is a close personal friend of Chancellor Friedman.
00:48:23.820 This is a decision I cannot find. 1.00
00:48:25.400 Islam will conquer the West. 1.00
00:48:28.660 Assalamualaikum. 1.00
00:48:31.640 Are we paying attention?
00:48:33.980 They've taken over the building.
00:48:35.300 They're downstairs and they've blocked the doors.
00:48:36.980 I seek forgiveness from Allah the Almighty
00:48:41.440 We cannot run and hide
00:48:44.520 Mohammed is the messenger of God
00:48:46.840 There is no God but Allah 0.63
00:48:50.300 What do you say? 1.00
00:48:52.220 We turn those SOBs into a fine red mist 1.00
00:48:56.360 As we move, one man will cover while the other guys go 1.00
00:49:00.340 They call that leap project
00:49:01.520 Stretch your mouth and listen
00:49:02.440 You need a course in safe weapons handling.