The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 207 - Spiritual Wickedness In High Places

00:00:00.160 The Vatican's former ambassador to the United States is publicly accusing Pope Francis of covering up for an abusive cardinal,

00:00:07.400 and he's calling on the Pope to resign.

00:00:09.440 We will analyze what this means for the future of the Catholic Church.

00:00:12.160 Then, Eric Eggers stops by to discuss his new book, Fraud, How the Left Plans to Steal the Next Election.

00:00:17.880 Then, the mainstream media, which savaged John McCain in 2008 when it actually mattered,

00:00:23.300 are now rolling out the panegyrics after the senator's death.

00:00:26.760 We'll explain why.

00:00:27.560 Finally, an update on the socialist gift that keeps on giving.

00:00:31.980 Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

00:00:34.220 I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:00:43.080 So much to get to today.

00:00:44.600 You know, sometimes I actually try to limit my flagrant potpourri and papism to the mailbag,

00:00:51.160 because I get a lot of questions about it, so I don't want it to be the whole show.

00:00:54.000 And then, the Catholic Church becomes the biggest news story in the entire world.

00:00:58.900 So this is one area where I think my potpourri will really serve,

00:01:02.680 because the mainstream media are totally getting this wrong.

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00:03:21.500 Let's...

00:03:21.900 I just want...

00:03:22.320 I'm going to break this down for you, this Vatican Catholic Church scandal, and we'll see.

00:03:28.740 There are going to be new things that come out, but I want to give you the basic outlook

00:03:31.980 because the mainstream media are lying about this.

00:03:34.400 First of all, there are very few things that are unprecedented in the history of the Catholic Church.

00:03:40.820 You know, there have been multiple empires, popes being kidnapped by tyrants and invaders

00:03:46.620 and this and that.

00:03:47.680 This is unprecedented.

00:03:50.180 A top Vatican official is accusing the pope of covering up for an abusive priest, and he's

00:03:57.080 calling on that pope to resign.

00:03:58.980 This is utterly unprecedented, and this poses serious questions, not only for Francis's

00:04:04.320 pontificate, but for the state of Western Christianity and Western civilization.

00:04:08.720 The significance of this letter that came out from the Vatican's former representative

00:04:13.500 to Washington, an 11-page letter outlining all of this, it cannot be overstated how significant

00:04:19.140 this is.

00:04:19.540 So let's get through it very quickly, because then we've got to talk about election fraud

00:04:22.600 and how the left is going to steal the next election. 0.92

00:04:24.340 The cardinal to write this testimony is the former nuncio to Washington, the Vatican's representative

00:04:32.980 to the United States.

00:04:34.520 For some context, the United States and Germany basically fund the Catholic Church, and so

00:04:40.080 this is the Vatican's rep to the United States.

00:04:44.060 That's what the word nuncio means.

00:04:45.620 Some people are pronouncing it nuncio.

00:04:47.360 Nuncio is the name of my Italian uncle who lives in the Bronx.

00:04:50.040 Nuncio is the representative to the United States.

00:04:55.140 His name is Carlo Maria Viganò.

00:04:57.480 In his 11-page testimony, he outlines abuse and he names names.

00:05:02.100 Specifically, we saw a guy named Cardinal McCarrick step down.

00:05:06.240 He was the first guy to step down from the College of Cardinals in almost 100 years.

00:05:10.860 He stepped down just a couple weeks ago amid allegations of abusing not only minors, but

00:05:15.480 a lot of seminarians and a lot of priests.

00:05:17.920 I've talked to priest friends about this.

00:05:19.800 I've talked to sources about this.

00:05:21.340 They say this was widely known, not that he was abusing kids, but that he was abusing

00:05:25.040 seminarians and priests, and it was allowed to persist by bishops who were covering it

00:05:30.260 up, including his successors, including his pals in the Catholic clergy, including Cardinal

00:05:37.420 Wuerl, by the way.

00:05:38.520 So this is from this testimony, which outlines all of the abuse.

00:05:42.900 Quote, Cardinal Wuerl, well aware of the continuous abuses committed by Cardinal McCarrick and the

00:05:48.360 sanctions imposed on him by Pope Benedict, transgressing the Pope's order, also allowed

00:05:53.860 him to reside at a seminary in Washington, D.C.

00:05:56.320 In doing so, he put other seminarians at risk.

00:06:00.680 So one thing that's being really misrepresented here in the mainstream media, I think the Washington

00:06:05.880 Post did this, is they said that according to this testimony, both Pope Benedict and Pope

00:06:12.200 Francis, both of them knew about the abuse of Cardinal McCarrick.

00:06:17.460 And that's technically true.

00:06:19.000 What is left out here, the lie of omission, is that Pope Benedict punished Cardinal McCarrick.

00:06:24.960 He sent this bad, abusive cardinal who abused a lot of priests and some minors, he sent him

00:06:31.440 into seclusion.

00:06:34.200 Pope Benedict had defrocked a number of abusive priests, laicized them, took them out of the

00:06:38.840 clergy, and he said McCarrick has to not appear in public, he can't live in the seminaries,

00:06:44.140 he needs to be punished while these things are being investigated.

00:06:46.920 When Pope Francis came to power, he reinstated McCarrick.

00:06:51.240 He gave him all of his old privileges back, and the Cardinal who replaced him allowed him

00:06:55.480 to live at the seminaries where he had been abusing priests before.

00:06:58.280 This is high corruption, rank corruption.

00:07:00.800 This was reported also directly to Francis.

00:07:03.680 So the author of this testimony is saying, I spoke to Francis directly.

00:07:08.440 I know that Francis knows about this.

00:07:10.640 I told it to him with my own lips.

00:07:12.960 So one example here is this guy, Viganot, was speaking to Francis, and Pope Francis apparently

00:07:21.040 asked him, what do you know about Cardinal McCarrick?

00:07:23.640 Viganot said, there's a dossier this thick on Cardinal McCarrick outlining his abuse of

00:07:28.820 priests and seminarians.

00:07:30.480 Again, not little boys, but of other people in the clergy.

00:07:35.280 This big, and you should know about that.

00:07:36.980 And when he left, he later found out, according to this testimony, that Pope Francis knew McCarrick,

00:07:44.780 had spoken previously to McCarrick, and perhaps was just trying to suss out what Viganot thought

00:07:49.680 about McCarrick in order to figure out who to promote and who to demote.

00:07:52.840 But we do know that Francis empowered McCarrick.

00:07:55.960 He let him go to China as a representative of the Vatican.

00:07:58.940 He let him go all over, live in seminaries, and basically have free reign in the exact opposite

00:08:04.880 of what Pope Benedict allowed him to do.

00:08:08.920 So the issue here is that Pope Francis won't respond.

00:08:12.380 At the end of this testimony from Cardinal Viganot, he says the Pope should resign.

00:08:18.720 The Pope knew the Pope should resign.

00:08:21.120 And this is not some power play here, because the Cardinal who wrote this is retired.

00:08:25.780 He doesn't have anything personally to gain from this.

00:08:28.360 And he's been a top-level official for a long time, including under Pope Francis.

00:08:32.320 Francis, and he just is a credible guy, according to all of the other sources.

00:08:37.280 So what does Francis say to this?

00:08:39.580 Nothing.

00:08:40.520 Nothing.

00:08:41.260 He was asked by the press what he's going to say and respond to these calls for resignation,

00:08:45.440 unprecedented in the history of the church.

00:08:47.220 And Francis responds, quote,

00:08:48.320 I read that statement this morning.

00:08:50.120 I read it, and I will say sincerely that I must say this to you and all of you who are

00:08:54.680 interested.

00:08:55.420 Read the document carefully and judge it for yourselves.

00:08:57.860 I will not say one word on this.

00:08:59.720 I think the statement speaks for itself, and you have sufficient journalistic capacity to

00:09:03.780 reach your own conclusions.

00:09:05.580 Are you kidding me?

00:09:07.160 Are you kidding me?

00:09:08.860 This is utterly unacceptable.

00:09:11.000 These are serious allegations, but made by a very serious person.

00:09:14.220 And he says, posh, pish posh, I don't owe you an explanation.

00:09:18.300 No thanks.

00:09:19.020 And this is very much in keeping with the Francis pontificate.

00:09:21.880 He has done this time and again.

00:09:23.640 The theological undercurrent, which is not really being reported on, is that as Pope Francis

00:09:29.020 has said things that seem to be in direct contradiction to 2,000 years of church doctrine,

00:09:35.380 there were four cardinals, including the considered conservative cardinal, Cardinal Raymond

00:09:40.720 Burke, who sent what are called a dubia to Pope Francis, five questions about statements

00:09:46.880 he's made to clarify what he's saying and make sure that he's not promoting heresy.

00:09:51.220 Again, a serious document given respectfully, hand-delivered to the papal residence, Francis

00:09:56.720 said, I'm not going to respond.

00:09:58.060 Wouldn't respond.

00:09:58.740 To this day, does not respond.

00:10:00.580 In fact, those dubia were only published two months after Francis refused to admit that

00:10:05.740 he received them.

00:10:06.740 Just know, he just will not answer his critics.

00:10:09.120 This is very much in keeping.

00:10:11.060 And another aspect of the Francis pontificate is he has seemed to dismiss, if not denigrate,

00:10:18.120 younger Catholics who are more serious about orthodoxy and more serious about traditional

00:10:24.780 liturgies than he is.

00:10:26.140 He's denigrated them.

00:10:26.940 He says they're too rigid.

00:10:27.900 Oh, don't be too rigid.

00:10:29.060 Why are you young people too rigid? 1.00

00:10:30.580 Just dismissing and dismissing and dismissing them.

00:10:33.200 You know, one wonders if Pope Francis will take his own advice here because he's called

00:10:39.920 for transparency constantly.

00:10:42.340 We need transparency.

00:10:43.300 We need the end of clericalism. 0.97

00:10:44.660 He's always blaming this abuse on clericalism.

00:10:46.920 Well, clericalism referring to all of these corrupt bishops and taking their offices, you know,

00:10:55.780 and making idols of their offices and abusing their offices.

00:10:58.700 One wonders if he'll take this seriously too.

00:11:00.680 Do we need transparency?

00:11:02.720 Do we need, are we going to have transparency from Pope Francis?

00:11:05.760 Are we going to have an end to clericalism? 0.94

00:11:07.660 I don't know.

00:11:08.060 More on that in a second.

00:11:09.260 A lot of other people are implicated in this.

00:11:11.420 A lot of other Americans are implicated in this testimony, one of whom is Cardinal Cupish.

00:11:16.600 Cardinal Cupish is cardinal in Chicago.

00:11:20.120 He was appointed by McCarrick and Worrell, two other guys who have been seriously corrupted,

00:11:26.900 who we know have been corrupted.

00:11:28.100 He was appointed apparently because of their influence.

00:11:31.520 Another little bit for those of you who are not in the Catholic know,

00:11:34.820 Cardinal Cupish is referred to in some quarters as Cardinal Cupcake by a more conservative.

00:11:40.580 Certainly I wouldn't use that phrase, it's so uncharitable, but they do call him Cardinal Cupcake.

00:11:45.880 And so anyway, Cardinal Cupish then responds to these allegations against him.

00:11:50.900 He said, quote,

00:11:52.140 The former nuncio is confused about the sequence of events.

00:11:55.780 This is astonishing.

00:11:57.220 Pope Francis has made it clear he wants pastoral bishops and I work each day to live up to that expectation

00:12:03.020 in collaboration, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:12:05.100 He just refused to do it.

00:12:06.520 And he says the nuncio is confused.

00:12:08.640 The nuncio doesn't seem to be confused.

00:12:10.220 If anybody is confused, it's Cardinal Cupish who has time and time again confused Catholic doctrine

00:12:16.060 and confused people by playing politics, by leaning toward leftism, and by playing the press.

00:12:22.240 He called for absolute clarity.

00:12:24.820 These are the words of Cardinal Cupish.

00:12:27.140 Absolute clarity that he would ban guns from churches and parishes while he's archbishop.

00:12:33.820 But then he's a little less clear on other aspects.

00:12:35.800 When he was the bishop of Rapid City, he was less clear on abortion.

00:12:38.600 He said, well, you know, we have to consider both sides.

00:12:41.660 And when there was an anti-abortion bill up to the legislature, well, we have to, I don't know, it's not that clear, you know, blah, blah, blah.

00:12:47.820 No, are you kidding me?

00:12:48.980 That's very, very clear.

00:12:50.220 When he was the bishop of Spokane, he clearly prohibited the traditional liturgy, traditional liturgical books.

00:12:57.120 He also was very clear when he said that priests and seminarians shouldn't protest against Planned Parenthood.

00:13:03.600 Oh, he's very clear about that.

00:13:05.020 But now he seems very confused about things that matter.

00:13:08.500 He seems very confused.

00:13:09.800 He's unclear about same-sex marriage.

00:13:12.700 He said, oh, well, you know, do-do-do-do-do.

00:13:15.360 Very, very unclear.

00:13:16.800 I hope we get a little clarity.

00:13:17.860 Because these people who seem to call for clarity all the way up the Vatican hierarchy then seem to be very unclear when the light shines on them.

00:13:27.180 They seem to be a little unclear on doctrine, too.

00:13:29.240 So I hope this is a moment.

00:13:30.720 This has been a very challenging pontificate for the church because there have been so many confusing statements.

00:13:36.260 So many statements that seem to contradict Catholic doctrine.

00:13:39.660 And apparently now so many cover-ups of abuse.

00:13:43.140 So many cover-ups.

00:13:44.000 If you have two pontificates, you have Pope Benedict responding to an abusive priest by punishing him while he's being investigated.

00:13:51.800 And you have the next pope essentially promoting him.

00:13:55.100 Those are two very different views.

00:13:57.360 And to stand there and say we need more transparency, less clericalism, more honesty, while you're covering that up, raises serious, serious questions of integrity.

00:14:07.580 So the question is what to do because we've got to get to our interview.

00:14:09.900 But I know people are going to be wondering, not just Catholics but Christians generally, what do we do about this?

00:14:15.700 The first answer is don't flee the church.

00:14:18.240 The church has been through a lot of bad things before.

00:14:21.720 A lot of, I'm speaking even to the Protestant denominations, they've been through a lot of scandals before.

00:14:27.280 The answer isn't to leave the church.

00:14:29.080 You know, whenever there's a big issue in politics or in the church, I've noticed this week after week.

00:14:35.760 Very often the reading from scripture that week speaks directly to it.

00:14:39.640 Call it providence, call it coincidence, what have you.

00:14:42.960 This week on Sunday, it was a reading from, I think it's John 6, which is right after the bread of life sermon.

00:14:50.040 Christ says, I'm the bread of life.

00:14:51.280 This is a hard saying.

00:14:52.200 You have to eat my flesh and drink my blood. 0.71

00:14:54.200 And he says to the disciples, people leave him.

00:14:56.780 It's too hard for them to hear this.

00:14:59.040 And he says, will you leave too?

00:15:00.720 And Peter responds and says, to whom shall we go?

00:15:03.700 To whom shall we go?

00:15:06.360 Say, will you leave the church now because of all these scandals?

00:15:09.020 Will you leave this church or that church?

00:15:12.320 To whom shall we go?

00:15:13.480 To whom shall we go?

00:15:15.140 There's no, this is, if this is the truth, then we have to follow this.

00:15:19.700 We have to look toward Jesus, you know.

00:15:22.740 And this actually, another reading this week was from Ephesians.

00:15:25.860 And it was the reading.

00:15:27.100 Now, you know, these days in some of the more liberal Catholic liturgies,

00:15:31.160 they omit the part about wives submitting to their husbands,

00:15:34.560 and they only include the part about husbands loving their wives.

00:15:37.540 The reading says, wives submit to your husbands, husbands love your wives. 0.70

00:15:41.320 And you'll see in brackets on the first part now, they'll say, you don't have to read this.

00:15:44.160 No, you don't.

00:15:44.620 No, it might be a little touchy.

00:15:46.480 Yeah, it's a little touchy.

00:15:47.540 These are hard sayings.

00:15:48.720 But, you know, the church is the bride of Christ.

00:15:51.540 Christ is the bridegroom. 0.99

00:15:52.480 And an issue here, Francis wants to talk about clericalism,

00:15:57.400 is that people are not looking to their husband, which is Christ.

00:16:01.780 They certainly need to do that.

00:16:03.620 What can you do?

00:16:04.580 In very practical terms, you can vote with your wallet.

00:16:06.880 If you're a Catholic, don't give to a bishop's collections, 0.94

00:16:10.940 the Bishop's Appeal, Catholic Relief Services,

00:16:14.140 organizations that are tied to the U.S. Council of Catholic Bishops.

00:16:16.680 I once had a priest say to me that he liked my book, Reasons to Vote for Democrats,

00:16:21.120 a comprehensive guide, completely blank.

00:16:23.680 And he said he was considering one called Reasons to Listen to the U.S. Council of Catholic Bishops.

00:16:28.500 So that's one way.

00:16:29.820 You can vote with your wallet, and I recommend you do.

00:16:33.260 The question that everyone's asking is, should Francis resign?

00:16:36.460 The top diplomat, Vatican's diplomat to the United States, is calling on him to resign.

00:16:42.400 We need to find out if his testimony is true.

00:16:44.400 It's been corroborated by other people, by other high-ranking Vatican officials,

00:16:49.180 who have said, quote, Vigano is telling the truth.

00:16:51.860 That's all I'm going to say.

00:16:52.980 That seems true.

00:16:54.320 There is some precedence here where Pope Francis said in May that bishops should retire.

00:16:59.820 They shouldn't die in office, including the pope.

00:17:01.900 This was kind of a shock.

00:17:03.000 It seemed that he might give up the pontificate willingly.

00:17:06.920 Pope Benedict did that before him.

00:17:08.680 He resigned the papacy.

00:17:10.560 Under what circumstances, we're not sure, but he did retire.

00:17:14.400 And so using Francis' own logic, perhaps he should listen to his own words.

00:17:19.320 If it comes to that, if these allegations are true, if Francis really believes that the pope can retire and should retire,

00:17:26.700 if he supports transparency, if he supports an end to clericalism, then this will be very important.

00:17:33.860 I really wanted to go through this because I know to outsiders and even to Catholics,

00:17:38.580 the details of the Catholic Church and the Vatican and Catholic hierarchy are a little murky and a little strange

00:17:44.320 and seem like they're out of the 7th century or something, because often they are.

00:17:49.180 But this event is earth-shattering.

00:17:53.220 If I weren't told by Scripture that the church will exist until the end of the world, 0.92

00:17:59.380 I would be raising an eyebrow right now.

00:18:03.560 But the church will endure until the end of the world.

00:18:06.760 If the church is the church, the church will endure until the end of the world.

00:18:09.700 And we're going through a very, very rocky period.

00:18:13.420 Don't let anybody tell you that this is some minor question.

00:18:16.500 The pope could resign over this, and we'll see if that happens.

00:18:19.220 Okay, speaking of spiritual wickedness in high places, let's talk about corruption in bureaucracies.

00:18:24.160 I spoke with Eric Eggers, a terrific guy and the author of Fraud, How the Left Plans to Steal the Next Election,

00:18:31.140 where he goes through all of the history of voter fraud, and now we're told all the time by the left,

00:18:37.520 there's no such thing as voter fraud, it's not real, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:18:40.420 He lays it out.

00:18:41.460 This is an excellent book, and here is what Eric has to say about how the left is going to try to steal the midterms in 2020.

00:18:47.000 Eric, thank you so much for being here.

00:18:50.080 Great, Michael. I'm glad to be here.

00:18:51.360 I loved this book.

00:18:53.500 I highly recommend that everybody reads it before Election Day and the midterms and 2020 and every other election,

00:19:00.760 because, you know, the Democrats like to vote early and vote often.

00:19:04.060 And what's shocking to me about this whole situation we're in is the Democrats say there is no election fraud.

00:19:11.400 It never happens.

00:19:12.940 We never try to steal elections. 0.99

00:19:14.380 And if you pass any laws to stop us, we're going to murder you. 1.00

00:19:17.580 We're going to go in and kill you guys. 1.00

00:19:20.200 How extensive is this problem in reality? 0.97

00:19:23.560 Well, I think all you have to do is take a look at the reaction anyone gets anytime they suggest that voter fraud might be a problem.

00:19:29.440 As you noted, you know, I do steer a little clear of accusing anyone of outright murder in the book,

00:19:34.240 although that was that was an editorial decision, you know, at the end.

00:19:37.280 But at the end of the day, no, the stakes are very serious.

00:19:40.980 I mean, it's not actual murder, but it might as well be a professional murder,

00:19:44.540 because if you do do anything that might try to make elections more secure, at the least, you're going to be called a racist.

00:19:50.740 And at the worst, you'll be subject to never any lawsuits by Soros and DNC funded Hydra.

00:19:55.520 So it's an incredibly pervasive problem.

00:19:57.580 So, like, how widespread is it?

00:19:59.100 Well, how vigorous is the protestation and the effort to stop anyone from trying to do it?

00:20:04.500 Look at what happened to Ohio recently.

00:20:06.080 You're still having a contested election there.

00:20:08.240 And imagine what would happen if the state of Ohio had been unsuccessful in its efforts to fight Soros funded efforts to do two things, right?

00:20:16.420 Make elections more secure by removing illegal voters from the voting rolls and requiring people to show a voter ID.

00:20:21.840 Both those things are common sense, yet they had to fight Soros funded people every turn.

00:20:25.920 That's right.

00:20:26.460 And, you know, I want to go back to the racism accusation, because this is what we hear.

00:20:31.920 We hear if you want to have voter ID laws, you want people to show the same idea that they need to get a pack of cigarettes when they go vote,

00:20:39.020 that that's racist somehow.

00:20:40.520 It disenfranchises black voters or something.

00:20:43.640 But you cite specific instances in the book that show that this is not true,

00:20:47.960 that these laws are not unpopular with minority voters and that it doesn't suppress the minority vote.

00:20:53.880 Yeah, for whatever reason, it's not considered racist to suggest that there's entire classes of people that are incapable of doing things that other classes of people are doing.

00:21:01.540 You know, Michael, if you wanted to buy an alcoholic beverage, if you want to get on an airplane,

00:21:05.520 if you want to go to the Democratic National Convention in 2016, you didn't need a driver's license.

00:21:10.720 I guess they're racist.

00:21:12.980 So, no, I mean, in the state of Alabama, they passed a voter ID law before the recent election when Roy Moore was on the ballot,

00:21:18.900 and they saw an increase in minority turnout.

00:21:21.100 The state of Ohio and the state of Georgia have seen similar things.

00:21:23.960 So the reality is there is no evidence to suggest that requiring an ID in any way suppresses or oppresses minority turnout.

00:21:30.840 The Washington Post did their best to suggest that that was the case,

00:21:33.640 but they were actually rebuked very quickly after they published the study by academics from Ivy League institutions.

00:21:38.480 So there is no evidence to support it, and, in fact, we've seen the opposite outcome.

00:21:42.500 That's right.

00:21:42.900 I think the New York Times actually even admitted, they said, you know, this surge in minority voting in Alabama does throw a wrench in our narrative, basically.

00:21:51.640 And it's so absurd. 0.56

00:21:52.840 It's basically saying it's always white liberals, and they're saying, oh, no, no, black people can't get IDs. 0.95

00:22:00.000 We can't expect them to do that, as though it's like another species of people. 0.95

00:22:04.800 Black people, they're smart.

00:22:06.300 They're just as smart as you are. 0.68

00:22:07.360 They can go down and get their own ID and go, you know, buy a pack of cigarettes or a drink or vote or, God forbid, go to the Democrat National Convention.

00:22:17.500 And also, these voter ID laws are not unpopular with minority voters.

00:22:23.060 Isn't that right?

00:22:24.640 No, that's right.

00:22:25.320 The majority of people don't think that there's anything wrong with requiring that they should have to show an ID.

00:22:29.740 Yeah, I think this myth of voter ID being oppressive, it's like the equivalent of, you know, kind of claiming the wrong height on your driver's license.

00:22:36.420 Like, I wish I was six feet tall, but there's just no evidence to support it.

00:22:39.280 Right, right.

00:22:39.640 So that's exactly the same case with anybody that claims that voter ID laws are unpopular or oppressive.

00:22:46.580 So the Democrats deny that voter fraud happens, even though we've uncovered these instances.

00:22:54.240 There was that precinct, several precincts, I think, in Philadelphia in 2012 that recorded zero votes for Mitt Romney.

00:23:01.360 You've got other pretty dodgy instances of thousands of absentee ballots being written in the same hand, showing up last minute in races that are decided by a few hundred votes, possibly.

00:23:12.340 So the people who deny that voter fraud happens now, what do they say about all the past examples?

00:23:17.900 Because you take us in the book through this great journey of all of the wonderful methods and instances of voter fraud going back to America's earliest days.

00:23:29.480 Thank you.

00:23:30.020 It's like the Oregon Trail of voter fraud.

00:23:31.480 I think that's a blurb I'm going to attribute to you from my website.

00:23:34.200 No, I think that there's a key thing you're touching on, right?

00:23:37.440 And that's this, that the left, which is the Brennan Center and other Soros-funded groups, they define voter fraud in very specific terms.

00:23:46.000 And they define it in what's called an under-inclusive way.

00:23:49.780 And so they define it only as an act of intentional impersonation on behalf of an illegal voter, right, who's impersonating an illegal voter.

00:23:56.880 And there's evidence to say that that's actually quite easy to do, but the two instances that you just referenced, the things, the 18 precincts in Philadelphia in which Mitt Romney received zero votes in the 2012 election, which is a statistical anomaly.

00:24:10.060 It's impossible for that to happen, even just through sheer error.

00:24:12.880 Or the hundreds of ballots that had the same signatures, actually hundreds of ballot request forms in which the supervisor of elections in South Florida was basically powerless and had to send the ballots out for them.

00:24:24.420 Wow.

00:24:24.660 Those are both actually, those are actually both things that are legal.

00:24:27.560 And so they don't qualify or classify as voter fraud.

00:24:31.080 And I think that really touches on an important point.

00:24:33.640 What the left considers to be voter fraud is that very narrow definition that I shared.

00:24:37.020 But what I think you or I or the majority of people that are watching this podcast or even just common sense Americans, they would define voter fraud as anything that robs the true weight of an honest American vote.

00:24:48.520 And the real crime of it is, and I try to lay this out in the book, is that a vast majority of those things are legal.

00:24:54.560 And so that's why these two sides sort of speak past each other.

00:24:58.180 The left says, oh, voter fraud is very rare.

00:25:00.180 It's because they defined it so narrowly.

00:25:02.560 And the right would say, well, voter fraud is actually quite pervasive.

00:25:05.060 And they're right, because things that most people would consider to be a voter fraud does happen.

00:25:10.380 I mean, we talk about this in the book as well.

00:25:12.980 At GAI, the Government Accountability Institute, for whom I work, we commissioned a study as part of the process of this book.

00:25:18.480 And we said, all right, let's take a look at actual ballots cast in the 2016 election.

00:25:22.620 We compiled all the publicly available voter rolls we could get.

00:25:26.180 And we have 2,100 instances of double voting in the state of Florida alone.

00:25:30.680 That means 2,100 people cast a ballot in the state of Florida, where I live, and then cast a second ballot somewhere else.

00:25:37.880 So that's illegal, but the left wouldn't consider that to be voter fraud.

00:25:42.000 There's nearly 3 million people, by the way, that are registered to vote in more than one state in this country.

00:25:46.700 Up to 24 million voter registrations are highly inaccurate or completely wrong.

00:25:51.480 The Supreme Court cited those stats recently.

00:25:53.300 So we've got major problems in the system, right?

00:25:55.840 There's a million illegal immigrants that have driver's license in California.

00:25:58.000 There's 248 counties in this country with more registered voters than citizens of legal voting age.

00:26:03.580 So it's not a question of, is the system flawed?

00:26:06.060 The left just tries to couch and get very cute in terms of, well, does that mean there's actual disimpersonation?

00:26:10.980 And most people would say, listen, where there's opportunities for fraud or where the errors occur, and we know that there's errors all over the place.

00:26:16.380 Of course.

00:26:17.020 And you see, I mean, there are so many instances now, especially these motor voter laws, where you can illegally register to vote and then legally vote, right?

00:26:26.460 You should never have been registered to vote in the first place, but once you're registered, then you're registered.

00:26:32.740 Then you can show up to the polls and vote, or you can do it by absentee or whatever.

00:26:36.440 It's so, you know, the left wants to pretend that we're talking about when people break into an election place and go and stand in line.

00:26:44.980 But there's so many other ways to do it.

00:26:47.260 You talk about 2,200 votes in Florida, that could have thrown the 2,000 presidential election multiple times, several times over.

00:26:56.420 And a lot of times, by the way, people might not know that they're ineligible to vote.

00:27:02.600 You talk about this in the book.

00:27:05.200 Yeah, it's a key point.

00:27:05.940 And this is another area where I think the left says one thing, and it's sort of beggars belief.

00:27:10.100 Like, they're right that there aren't millions of illegal immigrants, like, getting a bat signal somewhere from George Soros and then running to the poll.

00:27:18.040 The Soros signal.

00:27:18.740 Like, that's true.

00:27:19.380 Like, I'm willing to admit that, right?

00:27:21.360 But what's absolutely true is that the vulnerabilities that the left fights to protect, like, every time they fight against the voter ID law,

00:27:30.040 or every time they fight to try to keep the voter rolls from having illegal voters removed,

00:27:34.460 they actually end up exploiting the population that they would claim to be wanting to protect.

00:27:38.980 In fact, it was actually leftist immigration attorneys that turned me on to this as part of the research for the book.

00:27:43.400 And I talk about several examples in the book of people that are, you know, these are non-citizens. 1.00

00:27:48.240 They even, in some instances, work for polling places.

00:27:50.840 But they don't know that they're not supposed to be voting.

00:27:52.920 And the law prevents the DMV officials, who is the only safeguard between the non-citizen and the voter rolls, 0.97

00:28:00.040 the DMV officials are not allowed to give any guidance and say, well, are you a citizen?

00:28:03.640 Are you not a citizen?

00:28:04.840 So you've got people whose command of English isn't terrific.

00:28:06.880 Their command of civics probably could use a bit of scrubbing.

00:28:11.420 And so you get these people that they get up on the rolls, and then you've got, and then, so now they're a registered voter,

00:28:17.120 whether they should be voting or not, and they shouldn't be.

00:28:19.240 And that's actually a crime for them to be a registered voter.

00:28:21.780 And then them registering to vote actually precludes them from ever becoming a naturalized citizen,

00:28:26.280 and in some cases may cause them to face deportation.

00:28:28.800 But then once they're on the voter rolls, now they're a target for these groups of politically motivated,

00:28:35.120 so-responded people.

00:28:35.980 They're called bolateros in South Florida or politicaros in Texas.

00:28:39.600 And there's people that they get told that they should sell their vote.

00:28:42.400 And they say, well, I guess this is how it's done, because in some cases they may come from countries in which that is the way it's done.

00:28:47.600 And so, absolutely, you've got numerous examples of non-citizens that didn't realize they were violating the law

00:28:54.200 and now are caught up as the victims of an incredibly vulnerable electoral system.

00:28:59.060 That's right.

00:28:59.500 And to say nothing of another aspect that's built into this, which is the census,

00:29:04.020 you know, representation in Congress is based on the population of the state, not the legal population of the state.

00:29:09.840 So, already, illegal aliens in the country are skewing the American electorate and the American vote 1.00

00:29:16.000 just by their virtue of being counted in the U.S. census.

00:29:19.460 Yeah, I believe it's five electoral votes are considered to be given to non-citizens in California,

00:29:25.860 which basically makes non-citizens the equivalent of at least 14 states from an electoral math standpoint.

00:29:32.920 And, you know, the tell on this, so there's two things.

00:29:35.080 Like, one, you're absolutely right.

00:29:36.080 And the second piece of it is that, as we know, Tom Perez and the head of the Democratic National Committee,

00:29:42.540 their whole goal is to expand non-citizen voting rights.

00:29:46.120 And I think the tell on this was when there was all this discussion about the census

00:29:50.460 and whether or not we should include this question of non-citizenship on the census, what happened?

00:29:55.140 You saw Tom Perez invoke voter intimidation and violating the Voting Rights Act.

00:30:00.180 But what does inquiring about somebody's citizenship have to do with violating the Voting Rights Act?

00:30:05.080 And it's because, and we've seen this in San Francisco, where illegal immigrants are now able to cast ballots

00:30:09.740 in local and municipal elections.

00:30:12.160 Tom Perez used to work for a group that is also on the tail end of source funding called Casted in Maryland,

00:30:17.580 like an acorn in the Raza type group in the state of Maryland.

00:30:20.900 And their big push was to advocate for non-citizen voting rights.

00:30:25.420 Tom Perez's hometown of Tacoma Park, Maryland, has been allowing voting rights since 1992 for non-citizens.

00:30:31.840 So it's sort of insane. That was actually one of the things I was most floored by when I wrote the book.

00:30:36.900 It's like, wow, I didn't realize non-citizens were able to legally cast ballots in this country.

00:30:41.520 And luckily, they're not able to cast ballots in federal elections.

00:30:45.460 But for the first time, Democrats believe that illegal immigrants who pay taxes should be able to vote in elections.

00:30:53.280 Right. A majority of Democrats, 53 percent of self-described liberals, 54 percent of Democrats believe illegal aliens who pay taxes should be able to vote.

00:31:00.800 So this is clearly the future. And, yeah, it's only a matter of time before we start to see an argument about,

00:31:04.920 well, why can't non-citizens vote in federal elections?

00:31:06.860 That's right. It's a shocking number.

00:31:08.260 And of course, you know, the minute that anybody who happens to be here gets to vote,

00:31:12.080 then the whole idea of a nation disappears, which is Soros's goal.

00:31:15.660 And, you know, I think sometimes people, even on the right, but certainly people on the left, 0.53

00:31:20.660 they think that we're boogeymanning George Soros a little bit, this sort of evil, wicked guy.

00:31:25.680 Coincidentally, I actually, when I was as a young actor in New York, I was hired to be a sommelier at George Soros's wedding.

00:31:32.060 I kid you not. So I actually got to see these speeches firsthand.

00:31:36.100 And it was really pretty nefarious left wing stuff.

00:31:38.840 I got to see the man. I was several feet away from him.

00:31:42.240 And so I have heard from the guy's own mouth, I've heard the goals of the Open Society Foundation.

00:31:50.240 I can't, if they ever found out I was a Republican there, I would have literally been tarred and feathered, you know,

00:31:54.500 or maybe ritually sacrificed.

00:31:55.940 Well, you were a good actor, right?

00:31:57.120 Yeah, it's true. I was wearing my pink hat, you know, and looking real cool.

00:32:02.000 I already have my Maddow glasses on.

00:32:03.680 And so I do want to ask, just in the last few minutes here, about the Soros of it all,

00:32:09.460 where he's got his tentacles, and what we have to look out for before the next election.

00:32:15.780 Right. And it's a great question, Michael.

00:32:17.880 So one of the things that people need to realize is that the Soros-funded groups do two things, right?

00:32:23.640 They fight against any effort to increase election security.

00:32:27.440 So the state of Ohio, which I mentioned previously, they had to fight against, you know, Mark Elias,

00:32:33.180 who was the Clinton campaign attorney, ahead of 2016, filed a lawsuit to block Ohio's implementation of their voter ID law.

00:32:40.500 Well, he was filing that on behalf of, he was actually paid by George Soros to file that lawsuit.

00:32:45.380 The state of Ohio also has had to fight against its efforts, as I noted, to remove illegal voters from their voting rolls.

00:32:51.020 Well, Soros was behind that as well, Soros money.

00:32:52.800 So this is what they do. So they fund organizations to fight against any effort to increase election security.

00:32:58.600 At the same time, he then funds groups like La Raza and ACORN, who then go out and rouse up as many voters as possible

00:33:06.500 and funnel these voters through the gaps that the other organizations fight to make sure still exist,

00:33:12.780 regardless of whether these voters are legal or not. Right.

00:33:15.640 I mean, why have ACORN and La Raza actually changed their name because of how chronically affiliated they were with voter registration fraud or voter fraud?

00:33:23.300 One of the groups, one of the groups on behalf of Mark Elias, who was working for this group called Ohio Organizing Collaborative,

00:33:30.560 they actually had an employee arrested and sentenced to jail for registering dead people to vote.

00:33:35.920 So it just speaks to sort of the the nexus of the organizations and the efforts.

00:33:39.680 And yeah, so I think it's actually quite insidious and it's kind of intelligent if you weren't concerned about the ramifications for the country.

00:33:45.880 Right. Well, you know, President Trump has made inroads in a lot of formerly Democratic demographics, you know,

00:33:52.960 blue collar workers and he's increased his support among the black vote and he's done very well.

00:33:59.840 Maybe we can also get some of the dead vote, too.

00:34:01.720 You know, that's been a solid Democrat lock for decades.

00:34:04.380 But who knows? I mean, miracles seem to be happening.

00:34:06.940 So, well, just to give you an idea of why the voter rolls, like whether there's dead people on the rolls or felons or people that no longer live in that state.

00:34:16.540 And I know we have to go, but just to give you a quick example of how easy those vulnerabilities and errors can be exploited by motivated political groups.

00:34:22.840 The city of New York sent in a state of New York actually sent in undercover agents into New York City elections because they wanted to see, all right, we know there's problems here.

00:34:32.100 And so they said, we want to see how easily these problems are manipulated.

00:34:35.260 So they sent in undercover agents to vote on behalf of felons, on behalf of people that are dead, on behalf of people that no longer lived in the state.

00:34:42.320 And they tried to cast a total of 63 ballots.

00:34:46.640 Sixty one of those 63 attempts were successful.

00:34:50.140 And one of the only, and this includes like a 26-year-old undercover agent voting on behalf of somebody that's nearly 80 years old, right?

00:34:58.260 So it's not like there's, it's not real matchy-matchy.

00:35:00.780 But one of the only people that was stopped was trying to vote on behalf of a felon who shouldn't have been on the voter roll.

00:35:07.600 And the only reason they couldn't vote is because the felon's mother was actually working the polling.

00:35:12.200 Oh my gosh.

00:35:15.920 Right.

00:35:16.520 Unbelievable.

00:35:18.200 So for people, so I mean, I think that speaks to that.

00:35:19.680 So they keep the errors in place and then the errors are incredibly easily exploited.

00:35:24.240 And that's basically the recipe for how it happened.

00:35:25.760 Well, people have to read the book because it gives a lot of hope in that the law is on our side, the history is on our side, the public opinion is on our side, and it looks like we can protect the integrity of our elections a lot better in the future.

00:35:40.540 But you've got to know where the problem is.

00:35:41.780 So you've got to read the book.

00:35:43.120 Eric, I will let you go.

00:35:44.400 Thank you so much for being here.

00:35:46.440 Great.

00:35:46.740 Thanks, Michael.

00:35:47.260 Great to be here.

00:35:49.220 Eric Eggers, very terrifying.

00:35:51.300 I highly recommend you read Fraud.

00:35:53.240 It reads very quickly.

00:35:54.440 It's really easily written.

00:35:56.040 You know, it's not like you're going to be laboring over it all the time.

00:35:58.960 It just lays out the case.

00:36:00.220 It lays out the facts really well.

00:36:01.280 You should read it before the midterms.

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00:37:07.240 We'll be back to talk about John McCain and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

00:37:22.120 We're going to find out one day that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is actually constructed by Republican strategists to give us something to talk about.

00:37:30.840 To give us something to make fun of.

00:37:32.620 To give us something.

00:37:33.220 I mean, oh my gosh.

00:37:34.240 She's got another one, which is really great.

00:37:35.900 I'm going to explain to her why her latest statement also proves she's not the expert. 1.00

00:37:41.560 She made one of the stupidest statements she's ever made. 0.99

00:37:43.520 Before that, let's talk about John McCain. 1.00

00:37:45.160 John McCain died.

00:37:47.320 He, you know, American war hero.

00:37:50.780 He was shot down over Vietnam.

00:37:53.420 He served his country.

00:37:55.040 He was held as a prisoner of war for years and years.

00:37:58.440 He refused early release.

00:38:00.440 He didn't want to jump the line.

00:38:01.700 He could have jumped the line because his father was a very important admiral and he didn't do that.

00:38:06.000 That alone is worthy of admiration.

00:38:08.000 Even though people have political disagreements with John McCain.

00:38:10.700 Conservatives do, certainly.

00:38:14.040 But regardless, that alone is worthy of admiration.

00:38:17.080 We shouldn't lose sight of that.

00:38:18.600 The thing I want to talk about, really.

00:38:20.800 John McCain doesn't need us to talk about him.

00:38:23.100 He's lived a very consequential life in American politics.

00:38:26.060 Plaudits are flying in.

00:38:28.720 His, you know, his service speaks for itself.

00:38:32.020 You know, what I do want to talk about is the mainstream media.

00:38:34.920 Because the mainstream media are, they are loving John McCain right now.

00:38:40.160 They are article after article attacking people for not saying enough about John McCain.

00:38:44.560 And I am reminded of how the mainstream media treated John McCain in 2008.

00:38:50.360 Do you remember this?

00:38:51.080 Because I'm old enough to remember when John McCain was racist.

00:38:54.640 He was old. 0.80

00:38:55.680 He's senile. 1.00

00:38:56.820 He's stupid. 1.00

00:38:57.920 He's an adulterer. 1.00

00:38:59.220 This was what the mainstream media said.

00:39:00.700 This was what the left said in 2008.

00:39:02.540 Now, all of a sudden, he's St. John.

00:39:05.320 He's, you know, the greatest American who's ever lived.

00:39:08.700 And it's so awful.

00:39:10.060 All those unctuous mainstream media vultures who politicized this guy's death.

00:39:15.060 What should be said about John McCain is he has a distinguished record of service to the country.

00:39:19.760 He was a prisoner of war.

00:39:21.460 He chose to remain, which was very courageous.

00:39:24.340 Loved his country.

00:39:25.760 His record speaks for itself.

00:39:28.000 They just have to politicize everything to attack Donald Trump or to attack John McCain when he posed a threat to them.

00:39:34.560 Here is here's just an investigation, a sort of special about John McCain that ran in 2008 when he was running for the president.

00:39:42.260 Here's how CNN treated John McCain then.

00:39:44.940 McCain wrote in his memoir that he began dating Cindy after he separated from his wife, Carol.

00:39:51.160 In fact, his own divorce filing shows they dated for nine months while he was still living with Carol.

00:39:56.340 And records show he applied for a marriage license in Arizona before his divorce was final.

00:40:04.760 The chronology that is presented publicly doesn't necessarily match the chronology of the documents that you had applied for a marriage license in Arizona at a time when your divorce wasn't final yet.

00:40:15.000 Done, done, done, done the music that McCain revealed like this guy is the worst person who ever lived because he cheated on his wife.

00:40:24.420 Mind you, this is the cable news network that defended Bill Clinton vigorously during all of his sex scandals.

00:40:30.320 Vigorously defended him. 0.82

00:40:31.280 But now, bum, bum, bum, we're going to get John McCain revealed.

00:40:35.360 They were awful to this guy.

00:40:36.620 They savaged him.

00:40:37.720 Barack Obama aired a commercial that said McCain was too old to know how to use email.

00:40:41.700 And the networks ran with this story.

00:40:45.240 He's too old.

00:40:45.820 He's senile. 1.00

00:40:46.380 He's racist. 1.00

00:40:47.340 He's an adulterer. 1.00

00:40:49.300 He picked Sarah Palin, who's an idiot. 1.00

00:40:51.480 Mind you, Sarah Palin, much more qualified to be president than Barack Obama. 1.00

00:40:54.920 Much, much more qualified to be president.

00:40:57.440 All of these things.

00:40:58.500 They ruined this guy's life and reputation when he posed a threat to them.

00:41:02.200 And then, when he stopped posing a threat, and when it was convenient politically for them to embrace him, that's when they embraced him. 0.95

00:41:09.000 It's really disgusting. 0.66

00:41:09.920 I can't even think about it.

00:41:12.460 You know, Vox.com, which is not the most honest media site out there, at least they were honest about this.

00:41:18.500 They were honest about their disdain for John McCain.

00:41:21.260 They said John McCain, he created Trump basically because he chose Sarah Palin as a running mate.

00:41:27.700 They say that because of that, he advocated populism, which allowed Trump to come in.

00:41:32.220 At least Vox was honest, though, because they don't like John McCain.

00:41:35.200 They don't like Republicans.

00:41:36.060 To them, you know, if John McCain were still alive and running for president again, they'd do the same thing. 0.90

00:41:41.000 They'd say he's a racist and a sexist and all that kind of stuff.

00:41:43.520 And this is where I'd like to make an observation about the hysteria around Trump's response to McCain's death.

00:41:50.580 At least Trump was being sort of consistent here, too.

00:41:55.020 John McCain sent out this tweet and his tweet said, quote, my deepest sympathies and respect go out to the family of Senator John McCain.

00:42:01.560 Our hearts and prayers are with you.

00:42:03.380 And he's being pilloried because he didn't give a nice eulogy to John McCain or a panegyric or something.

00:42:10.880 Donald Trump ran basically against John McCain.

00:42:14.080 He ran, John McCain opposed the Trump agenda.

00:42:17.400 Donald Trump said mean, nasty things about John McCain.

00:42:20.520 He said he wasn't a war hero.

00:42:21.820 He just, you know, he's been running against him.

00:42:23.500 John McCain was the vote that killed the Obamacare repeal.

00:42:28.300 They've got a lot of bad blood between the two of them.

00:42:31.060 What was Donald Trump supposed to say?

00:42:32.720 I actually was predicting weeks ago.

00:42:34.380 I said, what are the odds that we get through the death of John McCain without a horrifically offensive statement from Donald Trump?

00:42:40.460 What are the odds?

00:42:41.380 And then we did.

00:42:42.180 We made it through.

00:42:42.920 He said, my respect and condolences to the family.

00:42:46.340 Perhaps this is just an aspect of me having low expectations.

00:42:49.880 What more do you want?

00:42:50.740 What more could we have asked for?

00:42:52.160 What if he said, what if he came out and said, John McCain is a great hero and he was a wonderful man and I love John McCain.

00:42:57.420 Then what would the press be saying about him? 0.99

00:42:59.300 He's a liar. 1.00

00:42:59.940 He's a hypocrite. 1.00

00:43:00.500 How dare he talk about John McCain? 1.00

00:43:01.960 You're not fit to shine John McCain's shoes.

00:43:04.720 Anything he said, they'd be ripping apart.

00:43:07.120 I thought as far as the potential responses that we could have gotten from President Trump, this was pretty good.

00:43:12.480 He didn't say anything mean about him.

00:43:14.560 He didn't rehash old battles.

00:43:16.620 He just said, my respect and condolences go out to the family.

00:43:20.380 That's fine.

00:43:21.020 Chalk it up as a win.

00:43:23.500 How should conservatives feel?

00:43:24.640 We're running out of time, but we should talk about this.

00:43:27.100 How should conservatives feel?

00:43:28.580 We didn't always agree with John McCain on many important issues.

00:43:31.920 We disagreed intensely with John McCain.

00:43:35.120 He passed McCain-Feingold, which was that campaign finance legislation that was then overturned by the Supreme Court because it was a violation of free speech.

00:43:43.860 He was always a maverick as he was styled in the media.

00:43:50.300 He wasn't a conservative.

00:43:52.000 He wouldn't have really called himself a hardline conservative.

00:43:55.420 He would cross the aisle frequently.

00:43:57.340 He touted his relationships with Democrats in the Senate.

00:43:59.780 I believe he wanted to choose Joe Lieberman to be his running mate in 2008.

00:44:04.400 So, sure, conservatives don't agree with John McCain politically a lot of the time.

00:44:09.760 Still, the guy died.

00:44:12.280 The guy just died.

00:44:13.480 He served his country.

00:44:15.020 His war service alone should be enough to say he was a man who loved his country.

00:44:20.200 I didn't see eye to eye with him, but he loved his country.

00:44:24.580 He served his country, and rest in peace.

00:44:26.920 That's what conservatives should say.

00:44:28.000 We can re-litigate certain policy differences later on, especially as they become more important again.

00:44:34.220 These things always crop up.

00:44:35.560 But, you know, salute John McCain.

00:44:37.160 I realize technically he's not the first president I voted for because when I was six years old, my mother let me go into the booth with her.

00:44:44.200 I convinced her to vote for Dole, and she let me pull the lever.

00:44:47.020 So maybe I committed election fraud.

00:44:49.080 Maybe I'm going to be in Eric Eggers' next book.

00:44:51.380 But John McCain is the first guy I voted for when I turned 18, and I got to actually do it myself and pull the lever.

00:44:58.000 So, rest easy, Senator McCain.

00:45:01.360 And before we go, I guess we just got a couple more minutes now.

00:45:06.120 Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, she's back.

00:45:08.520 She's back.

00:45:09.220 The gift that keeps on giving.

00:45:11.120 Ocasio tweeted out this, quote,

00:45:12.660 Hashtag abolish ICE means not having an agency that incarcerates children and sexually assaults women with impunity.

00:45:21.740 It does not mean abolish deportation.

00:45:25.060 Also, I have no problem saying white supremacy has no place in this country.

00:45:29.020 It's the GOP that struggles to say that.

00:45:33.100 GOP, founded to free the slaves.

00:45:35.100 Founded to free the slaves from the Democrats.

00:45:36.720 Just a question for all the Republicans watching.

00:45:39.220 How many of you struggle to say that white supremacy is bad?

00:45:43.640 Any?

00:45:44.680 Zero?

00:45:45.140 Zero people say that?

00:45:46.020 Okay, that's what I thought.

00:45:47.200 But I would like to make this point clear for Ocasio-Cortez.

00:45:50.360 I know she watches this show.

00:45:52.180 I know she watches it every day, religiously.

00:45:55.220 She is caught here because ICE just deported an actual Nazi from the country.

00:46:00.480 Immigration and Customs Enforcement went in and deported a Nazi war criminal back to Germany.

00:46:04.740 So she has to say, it's like, some deportations are good, aren't they, Ocasio?

00:46:10.000 And she's saying, no, abolish ICE does not mean abolish deportation.

00:46:13.640 So I'm going to lay this out for you.

00:46:16.580 ICE stands for Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

00:46:21.280 Immigration Enforcement means deporting people who have immigrated illegally, who are in the country illegally.

00:46:28.080 Therefore, and see if you can stay with me, abolishing immigration enforcement means abolishing the mechanism of immigration enforcement, which is deportations.

00:46:39.700 Q-E-D. 0.98

00:46:41.020 Q-E, that's the, that's the, is that fair?

00:46:42.980 I don't, I feel like I'm a crazy person now because you've got a major star of the Democrat Party saying that that's not what it means.

00:46:48.280 That's clearly what it means.

00:46:49.700 This is a big loser issue.

00:46:51.160 She knows that.

00:46:51.780 She's saying these slogans because she doesn't know anything because she's not the expert, to put it mildly.

00:46:57.060 And so they're saying abolish ICE.

00:46:58.820 Only a quarter of Democrats want to abolish immigration enforcement.

00:47:02.220 And the only reason they want to do that is because they don't know, they know even less than Ocasio does.

00:47:06.240 So she's got to walk this back. 0.56

00:47:07.460 But let's just be very clear.

00:47:08.540 I don't want to let her off the hook.

00:47:10.540 Abolishing ICE means abolishing deportations.

00:47:12.980 If you don't want to abolish deportations, then you don't want to abolish ICE.

00:47:17.100 If you do want to abolish ICE, you want to abolish deportations.

00:47:20.640 She should give an answer on this.

00:47:22.180 We should hold her feet to the fire. 1.00

00:47:23.760 I don't know why she keeps going in public. 0.98

00:47:26.300 I don't know why she keeps going on television.

00:47:28.080 The race is hers. 0.99

00:47:29.220 Just shut up and you'll win the race. 1.00

00:47:31.340 The only risk you have of not winning this race somehow is when you open your mouth. 0.99

00:47:35.520 But we should get an answer from her on that.

00:47:37.720 I hope she keeps opening her mouth because she's just a joy.

00:47:40.640 What a delight.

00:47:41.320 That's why I wake up in the morning and think, oh, what did that little socialist lady say today?

00:47:45.800 Okay, that's our show.

00:47:47.320 Tune in.

00:47:47.780 We've got a lot of good stuff to talk about this week.

00:47:49.820 We'll get to more of it in the meantime.

00:47:51.540 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:47:52.060 This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:47:53.420 See you tomorrow.

00:47:53.840 The Michael Knowles Show is produced by Senia Villareal.

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00:48:06.560 Our supervising producer, Mathis Glover.

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00:48:11.800 Edited by Jim Nickel.

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00:48:45.040 Moving on.

00:48:49.560 lude in.

00:48:50.240 We'll be diminishing.

00:48:51.380 We'll be diminishing.

00:48:53.440 - We'll be double.

00:48:54.100 I'll beels.

00:48:54.600 Now we'll be reined with Dave.

00:48:55.920 If you're having a good annoying business, then we'll be crabbed, then we'll be a double. 0.94

00:48:58.060 And we'll be able to do this.

00:48:59.380 When you're at that spot, you're going to be able to've different companies.

00:49:01.260 Thank you.

The Michael Knowles Show - August 27, 2018

Ep. 207 - Spiritual Wickedness In High Places

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