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00:03:20.580 The White House is bringing back Christopher Columbus.

00:03:22.840 The Pentagon is bringing back public executions.

00:03:26.060 And Gen Z is bringing back heterosexuality.

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00:03:35.760 I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:03:52.600 Welcome back to the show. There was a massive Senate debate last night in Michigan between

00:04:01.940 Abdul El-Sayed and Mike Rogers. It came down to which country is a greater threat to the United

00:04:08.840 States, Iran or Israel. Abdul had a lot of trouble answering. Before we get to that, though,

00:04:15.460 the public execution. This is the big story is what everyone's talking about. Secretary of War

00:04:19.420 Pete Hegseth announcing that Nidal Hassan, the perpetrator of the worst mass shooting on a

00:04:27.900 military base ever, at least at the time of the shooting. 2009 murdered 14 people, injured more

00:04:33.800 than 30 others. He was a Palestinian army major and psychiatrist, obviously a Muslim terrorist.

00:04:40.700 This guy has been waiting on death row for a while, the trial and the execution handled by

00:04:47.360 the military rather than by the civilian courts. Finally, he is going to be executed,

00:04:52.540 and the military has made this decision to make it a public execution, one,

00:04:58.880 not behind closed doors, and two, to live stream the whole grisly affair. Here is Pete Hegseth.

00:05:07.180 Execution by firing squad. Army major betrays his country. Radical Islamist kills a bunch of

00:05:11.980 Americans at Fort Hood. Of course, we're going to do it at Fort Hood. We're going to do it on a

00:05:15.880 Thursday. We're going to do it at one o'clock, which is when he did it. And it's going to be

00:05:18.880 soldiers with rifles executing the firing squad uh it hadn't been since world war ii since we've

00:05:24.620 done that well i kind of like the mentality we had in world war ii which was win which was uh

00:05:29.500 understand when the enemy attacks you you you need to stand your ground so it was a radical

00:05:33.820 islamist terror attack remember what remember what obama called it workplace violence i mean

00:05:38.440 that's what we're up against that's the worldview we're up against is workplace violence cve we

00:05:43.560 know we know what it is it was a radical islamist attack in uniform inside the ranks and so he's

00:05:47.780 going to get a firing squad of soldiers as it should be and we'll make sure that people are

00:05:52.120 able to to watch it that it's public uh because people need to understand that this is a there's

00:05:57.680 serious consequences for these types of things do you has major hassan made any uh final request

00:06:02.660 reached out to the president anything like that to your knowledge don't care we'll see him on

00:06:07.500 december 3rd no cold as ice you don't care see him on december 3rd this public execution is

00:06:16.680 surprisingly controversial. There are people on the right who are questioning it. Some people have

00:06:21.620 turned against the death penalty, even in principle on the right. And then some people say, well,

00:06:27.120 this is a public spectacle. This is wrong. This is vengeful. This is the worst part of the justice

00:06:34.440 system. All the worst impulses. We should not have a public execution. Hold on, hold on.

00:06:39.680 This seems to me totally common sense. If we're going to have capital punishment,

00:06:46.040 if we're going to have executions, I am very much in favor of public execution.

00:06:52.040 Not so that we can rile up the worst parts of our wrath and vengeance, but because it's a public

00:06:59.500 execution. It's right there in the name. For the people who say that this is out of step with

00:07:04.220 America and this is contrary to our values, as is so often the case when people make those claims,

00:07:09.620 It's people just being ignorant of American history.

00:07:13.840 We had public executions for most of American history.

00:07:18.320 George Washington had public executions.

00:07:20.700 We had public executions for the first 161 years of our nation's history.

00:07:27.000 Now, that ended around, I think, 1937 or so.

00:07:31.020 But to Pete Hegseth's point, he says,

00:07:32.900 the last time we did one of these in the military was in the 40s, around World War II.

00:07:39.620 And I think we had a better mentality in World War II.

00:07:43.500 The people who are saying, we haven't done this since the Second World War.

00:07:45.980 Hey, were we a better country during World War II or during like the trans, murder all the babies,

00:07:54.060 open the borders, flood the country with foreigners, turn against American history,

00:07:58.400 chop off kids' genitals time?

00:07:59.700 Which time would you say was better?

00:08:01.280 The time that we refer to as the greatest generation, when America emerged as the global

00:08:08.900 world power and the almost undisputed force for good in the world, or now, 2026, when the most

00:08:16.120 prominent news story is a bunch of weirdos doing freaky sex stuff at Cornell. When would you say

00:08:20.740 we were a better country? Oh, earlier in the past? Okay, maybe we should do what they did.

00:08:26.160 But the reason that I think even people who are uncomfortable with the death penalty or who are

00:08:30.620 outright opposed to the death penalty. The reason that they should support this too

00:08:34.160 is because we should grapple with what the death penalty really is.

00:08:39.560 What we like to do in America, this was so perfectly demonstrated in the Krista Pike

00:08:43.760 botched execution in Tennessee. We want to have our cake and eat it too now. In our decadent

00:08:48.700 liberal society, we want to have our cake and eat it too. We want the death penalty. We want

00:08:52.540 to follow the law. We want some justice for criminals, but we don't want to look at it.

00:08:56.180 And it makes us kind of icky. And then we get cold feet at the last minute and we start to

00:09:00.040 execute someone, then we kind of change our minds, and now we're providing life-saving care for the

00:09:03.800 person we were trying to kill, and then we don't know, me, me, me, me, me, me. If you're going to

00:09:08.580 do it, do it. Do we have capital punishment? At the very least for terrorists who murder 14

00:09:15.000 American service members, injure more than 30 others in cold blood at Fort Hood. Are we going

00:09:19.000 to execute that person? Yes or no? Maybe you're going to say no. Let's say, though, that the

00:09:24.700 answer is as it is, which is yes. Okay. Well, if you're going to do it, do it with your whole

00:09:29.660 chest. If you're going to do it, do it. This is not a private killing. This is not a murder.

00:09:36.540 This is not vengeance. This is the state executing people. It's a public event. The

00:09:42.680 public should see it. And if the public sees it, two things will happen simultaneously. One,

00:09:50.080 it will deter crime. If we brought our public executions back and made them public again,

00:09:55.340 that would deter crime. When people have to look at what it's like for someone to be executed,

00:10:00.040 that's going to shape how they view the commission of crime. And two, it is going to take us,

00:10:06.840 it is going to make us take executions more seriously. Because it's not, you know, it's

00:10:11.500 real easy to eat your steak when you're not looking at how the cow is killed. I'm very

00:10:16.200 pro-eating steak. I think I'm very much a carnivore. But you got to know what that means.

00:10:22.920 We right now, we divorce consequences from actions in the whole country more broadly.

00:10:29.480 I really see no real argument against this. The only argument against this is we don't want to

00:10:36.500 cultivate vengeful, bloodthirsty spirits like some pagan gladiatorial combat.

00:10:42.700 But I don't think that's what's going on here. We're not feeding innocent Christians to the

00:10:46.120 lions here in the Coliseum. This is a guy who committed a very serious capital offense. He's

00:10:51.700 getting his just desserts. If public executions were good enough for George Washington and

00:10:56.240 presidents all the way up to the middle of the 20th century, I don't see why they shouldn't be

00:11:01.080 good enough for us. Okay, now let's turn from the Pentagon to the White House. Phenomenal stuff

00:11:05.900 coming out of the White House today. A major event in the lead up to Columbus Day on Monday

00:11:10.620 to honor one of the great men of history, Christopher Columbus. I really wanted to

00:11:15.420 attend this event. I really, really wanted to make it out to Washington DC for it. The only thing

00:11:20.700 that could have kept me away was the arrival of another Italian in the new world, namely my

00:11:25.480 daughter. So I was not able to make it, but I'm sure it's going to be a wonderful event. It's

00:11:28.840 happening any minute now. This, after President Trump brought a statue of Christopher Columbus

00:11:34.220 to the White House. You remember, maybe some of you don't remember, six, seven years ago,

00:11:40.560 you had leftists tearing down statues specifically of Christopher Columbus all around the

00:11:45.300 country. In Columbus Circle, they were defacing a statue of Columbus. They really hate Columbus.

00:11:51.700 They hate all sorts of figures from American history, but they especially hate Columbus.

00:11:56.240 There has been calumny after calumny levied at Columbus in recent decades, calling him an

00:12:01.120 enslaver and a sadist and an oppressor and all the rest. Christopher Columbus is one of the

00:12:06.860 greatest men in history. Christopher Columbus is invaluable in the founding of the United States,

00:12:14.760 in the discovery of the new world.

00:12:16.900 Christopher Columbus invented Latinos, for goodness sake.

00:12:19.660 He is a transformative figure.

00:12:21.620 He was a devout Christian.

00:12:23.000 He made it across the ocean using only dead reckoning.

00:12:26.040 He's all of the greatness

00:12:28.760 of what we now call Western civilization,

00:12:31.440 what we used to call Christendom.

00:12:32.960 That's why they hate him.

00:12:35.120 So the president issued his Columbus Day proclamation.

00:12:38.160 It's really, really great.

00:12:39.860 He all but uses the Tony Soprano line,

00:12:42.080 in this house, Christopher Columbus,

00:12:44.160 He's a brave Italian explorer, and this house is a hero, in response in that scene in The Sopranos

00:12:49.360 to Howard Zinn's People History of the United States and all the leftist nonsense that people

00:12:53.680 are taught in schools. Really good. I encourage you to read the full proclamation. I encourage

00:12:57.580 you to follow the Columbus event today. This is part of a broader White House effort to correct

00:13:04.840 the record on American history, because for the last 20, 30, 40 years plus, we have had the

00:13:10.560 institutions entrusted with preserving American history and cultivating American patriotism

00:13:14.940 doing exactly the opposite. Exactly the opposite. Lying about American history,

00:13:20.780 hiding American history, and encouraging people to hate their own country. Here's Lonnie Bunch,

00:13:26.940 the secretary of the Smithsonian, describing not only his hostility to American history,

00:13:33.140 the men who built this country, which you see in spades throughout the Smithsonian Institution,

00:13:39.220 But a really revealing interview, this is from 2003, when Lonnie Bunch was asked why he went to Howard University.

00:13:46.160 Here's his answer.

00:13:48.040 I went to Howard in part too because I remember saying this, I was tired of white people.

00:13:53.320 I was just tired of trying to fit in, tired of the questions, tired of the dating issues.

00:14:01.080 And I said, I'll go to Howard.

00:14:03.940 He's tired of white people.

00:14:05.300 This is back when he was a student.

00:14:06.480 And I don't think his opinion has changed very much, judging by how he's run the Smithsonian.

00:14:11.840 And I guess you're free to have your prejudices and your hatreds and your biases or whatever.

00:14:17.760 But if you're the head of the American history institution and you're tired of white people,

00:14:24.580 that is going to really undermine your ability to do your job.

00:14:28.840 Because white people have a lot to do with America.

00:14:32.720 And Christopher Columbus is Italian, so he's a little bit of a liminal case.

00:14:35.340 we're kind of a dusky people and everything. But what this shows you is a lot of the telling

00:14:41.820 of American history today, which presents itself as given the unvarnished facts.

00:14:46.780 We're not going to whitewash it, pun intended. We're not going to clean it up and have it be

00:14:51.800 a really nice, feel-good history. No, no. We're going to tell you the hard, unvarnished truth.

00:14:56.800 Deal with it. But it's not. It's not the hard, unvarnished truth. It's just another form of

00:15:01.800 whitewashing, blackwashing, or brownwashing, I guess. I don't know. It's just another form

00:15:06.120 of narrative. It's another form of ideology presenting itself. Instead of erring on the

00:15:12.440 side of your country, instead of erring on the side of patriotism, they err and egregiously err

00:15:19.060 on the side of hating their country. The extreme of this being the 1619 Project,

00:15:24.640 pushed by schools around the country and the New York Times to the tune of millions and millions

00:15:28.300 of dollars, which began with the thesis that the American Revolution was fought to defend slavery.

00:15:32.980 Complete nonsense, completely fabricated, no grounding of that whatsoever in actual history.

00:15:39.160 But you see that writ large over the whole country. And so Columbus is so important

00:15:43.920 because Columbus is the first guy. He comes over, in many ways he inaugurates the modern era,

00:15:50.740 he discovers the new world, he brings the old world of Europe into the new world.

00:15:54.800 and without him, we would not be here. And it's very easy to now stand on the shoulders of that

00:16:02.060 giant and think that we're flying and criticize him. Most of the criticisms leveled against

00:16:07.300 Columbus are just not true, by the way. They're based on documents that were written by Columbus's

00:16:11.660 chief political rival in the new world, Francisco de Bobadilla. They're historical fictions. They

00:16:17.180 were cynically used by the Spanish crown to avoid paying Columbus what they owed him.

00:16:21.100 a lot of a lot i'm not saying he was a perfect administrator i'm not saying he didn't do

00:16:25.900 anything wrong he did he's a human being he did plenty of things wrong he wasn't a great

00:16:29.020 administrator but what the story that is levied against him is just not true and the reason that

00:16:36.040 the left is attacking him is not because they want an unvarnished view of history it's because

00:16:39.860 they hate the country that's what they're beginning from they're beginning from an equally

00:16:45.520 and, in fact, much more emotional, irrational position than the patriots are, for sure.

00:16:52.200 They're beginning from, as the head of the Smithsonian will tell you, I'm tired of white

00:16:56.480 people. And then they try to fill in the facts or fabricate the facts to fit that narrative.

00:17:01.660 The White House saying no, White House saying no is absolutely delightful.

00:17:07.720 Kills me not to be there today to support the administration and Christopher Columbus, but

00:17:12.760 a good opportunity for us all to remember what a great man he was. Because

00:17:17.240 if you're not sold on Columbus yet, or you've been taught a bunch of nonsense,

00:17:22.180 the proof that it is important to honor men like Columbus is how much the left wants to tear them

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00:19:01.920 say that? The number of teens who identify as a gay or bisexual is in free fall. So we covered a

00:19:10.420 similar story, a related story last week, which is that in the LGBTQ, LMNOP acronym or initialism,

00:19:20.180 the BTQ has demonstrably been in free fall for some years now. So the L and the G were relatively

00:19:27.740 stable, but the BTQ have been collapsing. I mean, as of two, three years ago, some 30% of Gen Z

00:19:35.180 identified as LGBTQ. Something clearly was in the water turning the frogs gay, or it was a social

00:19:40.980 contagion, probably more the latter. But they said the L and the G are pretty stable. Now the L and

00:19:45.260 the G are falling too. The subheader conservatives have trumpeted the data from the CDC, but

00:19:50.820 researchers say the reasons for the decline are unclear. Notice the researchers aren't saying that

00:19:55.360 the decline is fake. They're just saying that the reasons for the decline are a little bit

00:19:59.700 unclear. Here are just some highlights from the report. Young teenagers are less likely to identify

00:20:05.400 as lesbian, gay, or bisexual than they were a few years ago, according to a new analysis from the

00:20:09.640 CDC. And where is the decline chiefly? The decline is particularly striking among ninth grade girls.

00:20:15.640 This is according to Jean Twenge, who is not a right-wing pundit. Jean Twenge is a professor

00:20:20.320 of psychology at San Diego State University. She published this analysis just last year.

00:20:25.360 In 2021, do you know what percentage of ninth grade girls identified as a lesbian or bisexual?

00:20:31.000 Ninth grade girls, we're talking about 14-year-old girls, you know what percent?

00:20:34.600 30%.

00:20:35.040 About a one in three chance, if you had a teen girl five years ago, that she would call herself

00:20:40.740 a lesbian or half a lesbian.

00:20:43.100 You know what the number is today?

00:20:45.060 17%.

00:20:45.460 So, almost in half.

00:20:49.500 Now, interestingly, the rate of boys who identify as gay or bisexual has remained roughly

00:20:55.260 the same over the past decade. It ticked up a little bit a decade ago, but it's remained roughly

00:20:59.060 the same. So what does this tell us? What this tells us is the trans thing is obviously completely

00:21:05.780 fake and clearly a mental illness. The bisexual thing is rather malleable and probably fake.

00:21:12.680 Homosexual men, men with same-sex attraction, that seems to be relatively stable. The male

00:21:18.020 inclination for doing kind of Greek stuff with other guys, that seems to be a little more built

00:21:26.420 in, a little more deeply embedded, I should say, than the lesbian stuff, which is basically totally

00:21:33.140 fake. In other words, every prejudice, every bit of common sense that you've ever heard

00:21:40.360 from your least informed, but most incisive right-wing uncle. Like, well, you know, this

00:21:48.660 trans stuff is total nonsense and lesbians don't really exist. And some guys are a little light

00:21:53.740 in the loafers, but whatever, you know, that's all totally right. We need studies from San Diego

00:21:59.960 State University and the CDC to prove that your least informed bigoted uncle is right about

00:22:06.400 everything. But, and this is good news. You know, for the people who are very pro-LGBT,

00:22:13.920 most of them would acknowledge the LGBT lifestyle, it's a tough life. Isn't it? Isn't that central

00:22:19.760 to their activism? They say, who would choose this? The way you know that we're born this way,

00:22:24.260 and born this way is getting a little complicated by the data showing 50% drops almost in LGBT

00:22:29.680 identity. But put that aside for a second. The people who say we're born this way, this is why

00:22:33.380 we need to redefine marriage. This is why we need homosexual adoption of children or surrogacy.

00:22:37.480 We're born this way, and nobody, if you could choose this, nobody would choose this life

00:22:41.260 because it's so hard. And it involves certain medical conditions, likelihood of certain

00:22:47.820 pathologies, involves social ostracism, involves highly increased rates of depression and anxiety

00:22:53.980 and, okay, suicidality, especially in the case of trans. So they say, this is really, really hard.

00:22:59.560 So shouldn't everyone, including LGBT identifying people, including LGBT activists, shouldn't

00:23:06.640 everyone celebrate that the numbers are going down?

00:23:09.840 If everyone agrees it's a hard life and it comes with lots of extra challenges and nobody

00:23:14.800 would choose this and it has increased rates of depression and anxiety and suicide, shouldn't

00:23:19.720 everyone celebrate?

00:23:21.860 See, that seems like the right thing to me.

00:23:24.120 This was really one of the unanswerable arguments during the trans debate.

00:23:28.100 the argument was trans identity is associated with so clearly associated with suicide that

00:23:36.280 we need to do everything we can for the trans people except for discouraging them from being

00:23:41.460 trans you say hold on it these people kill themselves at a very very high rate they do so

00:23:46.740 even after the trans surgeries and procedures and hormones in some cases the rate of anxiety

00:23:51.540 actually increases after the procedures so isn't the most compassionate thing we could do for them

00:23:56.420 to discourage them from being trans in the first place?

00:23:58.700 And they say, no, no, no, you can't do that.

00:24:01.880 Well, the similar phenomenon happens

00:24:03.720 with all of LGBT LMNOP.

00:24:06.560 So our takeaways are men who are a little bit,

00:24:09.800 little on the finook side, a little mezzo finook,

00:24:12.000 a little light in the loafers,

00:24:13.040 that seems to be a little more deeply embedded.

00:24:14.920 There's no evidence that there's a gay gene,

00:24:16.340 but it seems to be a little more stable

00:24:17.900 and deeply embedded than the LBTQ LMNOP.

00:24:23.060 So, okay, we'll focus on that at another time.

00:24:25.340 The lesbian thing seems very, very malleable. Everyone knows this. Everyone who's ever known

00:24:29.780 a girl in college knows that's a little malleable. The bisexual thing is totally fake.

00:24:35.540 And transgenderism is a mental illness. And we actually can decrease the rates of these

00:24:42.980 things in society. So the only question is, should we? And is there any pro-LGBT activist

00:24:49.020 who can explain to me why we should encourage those various orientations and inclinations?

00:24:56.040 Because I can't see one other than for the purpose of liberation or for the purpose of,

00:25:01.620 I don't know. I don't know. I don't hear the argument. Can someone explain that to me? Because

00:25:05.120 otherwise we should all celebrate this. Okay. Speaking of homosexuals, Abdul El-Sayed. No,

00:25:08.900 I'm joking. I'm joking. Abdul El-Sayed, I don't think is homosexual, but he sometimes plays one

00:25:13.620 on TV because the alternative is to look like a jihadi. So he has to go out there and post TikTok

00:25:18.400 videos singing, you know, oh, I'm going to dance with somebody. Anyway, Abdul Al-Sayed was debating

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00:27:00.480 K-N-A-W-L-A-S, 20% off site-wide, helixsleep.com slash Knowles. The Abdul-Mike-Rogers Senate debate

00:27:08.420 was illuminating, not because we learned all that much about his positions, but we learned

00:27:14.760 that he's not going to back down from some of his positions. He's not going to lie. He can't

00:27:19.500 worm out of some of his positions. Clearest example, who is the biggest threat? I think

00:27:23.960 it was Leland Vitter, my friend Leland, who was moderating the debate, said, who's the bigger

00:27:28.480 threat to America? Iran, which chants death to America, which began its regime by taking a bunch

00:27:35.060 of Americans hostage, which murdered hundreds of Americans in the Beirut barracks bombings,

00:27:39.900 which is constantly calling for the death of the great Satan, which is who we are,

00:27:44.980 Iran, or Israel, an official ally of the United States that we've generally gotten along pretty

00:27:52.760 well with over the years. It's not a perfect relationship. There's some tensions, no doubt

00:27:56.020 about it, but this should not be a tough question, right? Abdul? I'm going to ask you again tonight,

00:28:02.840 Who do you think is a bigger threat to the United States, Israel or Iran?

00:28:06.480 You have 60 seconds.

00:28:07.200 And again, Rick, I'm just going to say that that's a ridiculous hypothetical because here's what's happening right now.

00:28:12.000 Our ostensible ally in Israel has lobbied us to go to war with Iran.

00:28:18.880 We have watched as Iran has responded by bombing all kinds of countries in the Middle East and then choking off the world's energy supply.

00:28:28.060 So this is a situation in which I don't think we should be apart.

00:28:31.860 I don't want to be pushed into war by Israel.

00:28:35.280 Okay, so he says it's a really difficult question.

00:28:37.720 And then he makes a bunch of,

00:28:39.060 I think generally persuasive arguments

00:28:41.540 about why people don't like the Iran war.

00:28:43.100 Okay, but that wasn't the question.

00:28:45.360 The question was not asked by Leland Vitter, by the way.

00:28:47.780 Notice I thought Leland was moderating this,

00:28:49.600 but he certainly didn't ask that question.

00:28:50.820 Okay, he says, that's a difficult question

00:28:54.980 because people hate the Iran war.

00:28:57.880 Israel pushed us into this Iran war.

00:28:59.620 But even that dodge, even that evasion seems to give away the game, right?

00:29:06.040 The fact that Israel could push us into the Iran war.

00:29:09.620 Israel was lobbying for the Iran war.

00:29:11.020 There's no doubt about it.

00:29:11.740 Other people were lobbying too.

00:29:13.360 Seems like some evidence that Saudi Arabia, some of the Gulf states were in favor of the

00:29:16.720 Iran war.

00:29:17.660 A lot of elements of the US government were in favor of the Iran war.

00:29:20.300 Trump's been tough on Iran for a long time.

00:29:22.580 But yeah, Israel definitely wanted us to be involved in the Iran war.

00:29:25.700 the fact that one nation came over as part of their regular ally meetings with this nation

00:29:34.220 along with other nations and encouraged us to enter into this war with the other nation which

00:29:41.180 was more than happy to make war with us and continues to attack us as it has for a long time

00:29:45.680 for many decades and attacks our allies that that whole framework should tell anybody with

00:29:51.820 two brain cells to rub together, that Iran is the greater threat. Because Iran is the kind of

00:29:58.800 country we can go to war with. Israel is not the kind of country we go to war with. Israel is an

00:30:05.700 ally. Sometimes they're a great ally. Sometimes they're kind of an annoying ally. You could say

00:30:10.140 the same thing about France. France is an ally. We make a lot of jokes about the French, but France

00:30:14.720 is an ally. Sometimes they're kind of an annoying ally. But they're part of the alliances. They're

00:30:19.780 part of the American empire. The fact that Abdul al-Sayed refuses to answer means that his real

00:30:24.420 answer is that Israel's the worst threat. And why does this matter? Plenty of people don't like

00:30:28.280 Israel. But this matters because the United States is not a yeoman republic of farmers.

00:30:36.600 The United States is a global empire. We have been a global empire, not even just since World

00:30:41.380 War II. We've been a global empire for well over 100 years. We've been a global empire since at

00:30:46.320 least the Spanish-American War. We've been expansionary since the very earliest days of

00:30:50.440 our country. That strict constitutionist, Thomas Jefferson, extra constitutionally doubled the size

00:30:56.200 of the United States by buying the new half of the country from Napoleon. Okay, we're an empire.

00:31:03.560 And some people don't want to admit that or just don't even really know how empires work. They say,

00:31:07.680 no, no, no, we're not an empire. We just, we're a global power with a lot of allies.

00:31:12.560 Yeah, sure, but historically, that's how a lot of empires operate.

00:31:17.020 Empires don't often operate with just brute force and totally exoteric domination,

00:31:24.040 saying, we own you, you do what we want.

00:31:26.940 Very often, the way that empires, going back to Athenian imperial democracy,

00:31:30.220 the way that empires operate is that a power has lots of allies.

00:31:35.920 And we treat them respectfully, and we listen to their concerns.

00:31:39.560 Sometimes the tail wags the dog.

00:31:41.140 But the thing that constitutes an empire is often on the surface, just a bunch of allies.

00:31:47.540 So we have lots of allies. We have all of Europe. We have the state of Israel. We have some of the

00:31:53.360 Gulf states. Throughout the rest of the world, we have other allies. We have basically the entire

00:31:59.980 Western hemisphere in South America and Central America. We have Greenland, I guess, which

00:32:05.440 belonged to Denmark, which is another one of our allies. That constitutes the American empire.

00:32:10.200 China has its own kind of empire.

00:32:13.640 Russia has its own kind of empire.

00:32:15.680 And the Russian empire sometimes butts up against the American empire.

00:32:18.880 Our empire, which we inherited from the British empire.

00:32:22.860 And so what Abdul al-Sayed is saying is, I want to change the American empire.

00:32:29.300 I want to dismantle the American empire.

00:32:32.740 I want to weaken American power in the world.

00:32:36.380 That's why this matters.

00:32:37.580 It's not that you have to really care about Israel.

00:32:39.480 It's not that you have to make some moral

00:32:40.660 or theological argument for defending the state of Israel.

00:32:43.560 You have to recognize that this guy is hostile

00:32:46.280 to American interests.

00:32:49.120 This guy is hostile to the American national

00:32:51.480 and imperial project

00:32:52.920 because he doesn't view himself as an American.

00:32:56.120 He views himself as something else.

00:32:59.440 And it's not just because he's Muslim,

00:33:01.560 though that's part of it.

00:33:02.780 It's not just because he's got a foreign name

00:33:04.660 and a foreign culture, though that's part of it.

00:33:07.320 The problem gets back to what we were talking about with Christopher Columbus at the top of

00:33:09.760 the show, which is that whole scores of Americans, many of whom probably descend from the Mayflower,

00:33:14.300 which is a great cigar, by the way, whole scores of lily white Americans also want to dismantle

00:33:19.780 the American project because they are hostile to their country too. That is what liberalism

00:33:24.620 and especially liberal maleducation has done to us for 60 years now. That's the threat.

00:33:31.440 And you have some people, some people on the fringe kind of right who they're so fanatically

00:33:36.560 opposed to Israel. They're saying we need to vote for Abdul El-Sayed. We need to trans the kids,

00:33:42.220 flood the country with illegals. We need to murder all the babies. We need to elect an

00:33:48.060 explicitly anti-white, anti-male, anti-everything that the left is anti-candidate because we hate

00:33:57.540 Israel so much. And I don't think those people actually have a lot of political influence at

00:34:01.620 all. I think that's pretty demonstrable. But regardless, that is taking politics in far too

00:34:08.860 ideological a direction. That's doing what the left seems to do a lot of the times. But politics

00:34:14.420 isn't just about debate club, as I point out frequently on the show. Politics is about hard

00:34:19.100 interests and geography and peoples. A nation is its people. And it's about exerting power around

00:34:27.000 the world, hopefully in accord with reason. When you have guys coming up saying, I want to dismantle

00:34:31.660 your power, that's a big threat. That's a bigger threat than any individual issue. Okay, speaking,

00:34:38.860 you know what, let's get one more from the Abdul al-Sayed debate.

00:34:43.280 Can't condemn Hamas. He can't condemn the Muslim Brotherhood. He says his home is Egypt. This is

00:34:48.680 all starting by home. We are going to move along. We can continue this conversation in the second

00:34:54.300 He doesn't own a home in Florida.

00:34:55.580 He took it off the market.

00:34:56.540 I don't know for why, but he just took it off the market.

00:34:58.220 He owns a home in the United Arab Emirates.

00:34:59.400 We're done.

00:35:00.280 Emirates.

00:35:00.720 Staying in the Middle East.

00:35:01.820 Congressman Rogers, you pledge.

00:35:02.760 At least Florida's in the United States.

00:35:04.080 I love that.

00:35:04.740 I love this point that Mike Rogers is making.

00:35:06.680 Get out there, donate to Mike Rogers, go out there to vote for Mike Rogers.

00:35:09.820 He makes this point.

00:35:10.400 He says, this guy says his home is Egypt.

00:35:12.820 It's not even just, he's a radical leftist and he opposes these policies and we disagree

00:35:16.800 about it.

00:35:17.400 He says, he's not American.

00:35:18.560 The guy's clearly not American.

00:35:19.760 and then the the best rebuttal abdul can come up with is well you know what he owns a vacation

00:35:25.780 home in florida and rogers comes back with a killer singer he goes yeah he owns a vacation

00:35:31.600 home in the united arab emirates at least my homes in america the guy is just a foreigner i

00:35:37.700 don't care what his paperwork says he's clearly a foreigner you want to see a crazier debate

00:35:41.460 here's the lieutenant governor debate in vermont not a lot of people paying close attention to the

00:35:47.100 lieutenant governor debate in Vermont. Here is, we don't have the, what? You don't have my Vermont

00:35:52.940 clip? You big jerks. That's driving me crazy. All right, we're going to do a pickup for the

00:35:56.680 public show. That drives me nuts. It was a great clip. Okay, before we go though, before we get to

00:36:01.640 the mailbag, I have to give you an update in the Cornell 7. I know, I avoided talking about it

00:36:10.220 yesterday, but I can't avoid talking about it today. So, you know, the story of the Cornell 7,

00:36:15.960 And there was this girl who went over to a frat house and did a bunch of ketamine and drank a bunch at the frat house.

00:36:21.880 And then she happily agreed to a threesome with the guys.

00:36:24.780 And then it became like a menagea, septum menagea, weets.

00:36:29.160 And then I'm using a lot of euphemisms here.

00:36:31.540 And then anyway, it goes on for seven hours.

00:36:34.100 And guys say, hey, can we do this?

00:36:35.680 She says, no, don't do that.

00:36:36.760 But yeah, I do want to do that.

00:36:38.360 And now, okay, then 5.30 rolls around.

00:36:40.220 She says, okay, I'm done.

00:36:41.100 They all go home.

00:36:42.060 Then later on, she wants to get invited to a party at the frat house.

00:36:45.960 they don't invite her. She then accuses them of rape. And then they investigated this. There was

00:36:52.480 no evidence it was a rape. Then two years later, she files a civil suit. Now they're reopening the

00:36:56.020 criminal case. They're going to change the law in New York to say that even explicitly consensual

00:37:00.760 sex is somehow rape. And so then the boys respond and they say, okay, you're going to accuse us of

00:37:05.820 rape because we were drunk. We're going to accuse you of rape because we were drunk too. And maybe

00:37:08.880 you raped us. So then there was a kind of clever ideological and legal maneuver to stop what seems

00:37:14.820 like an unfair attack from the girl. And then, anyway, there's an update. Apparently, the girl

00:37:20.380 might have actually raped one of the guys in that the guy is alleging that he was, how do I say this?

00:37:27.100 Because it's a family show. The girl didn't just allow him to do things to her, but that she did

00:37:34.300 things to him. That she was the active party and doing things that he didn't want. She kind of,

00:37:41.140 like, um, how do I put this? She kind of played the part of the guy and he kind of played the

00:37:47.060 part of the girl in any way. So that's like totally gross. You couldn't waterboard that

00:37:51.100 one out of me, but he admitted that because he wants to make the point, Hey, you're going to

00:37:55.460 accuse me of rape. There's a stronger argument that you rape me lady. And then this other text

00:38:01.660 just came out. This text comes out from right after the supposed rape where the, one of the

00:38:07.720 guys, right? So he goes, hey, this is Jonathan. So-and-so gave me your number. I just wanted

00:38:12.460 to apologize for other things. Went the other night. My memory is kind of fuzzy, but we both

00:38:15.920 feel bad for being too messed up to shut it down and kick people out before it got out of hand.

00:38:23.300 You're a great person. Sorry, you're catching heat on campus. Not, I'm sorry you were hurt.

00:38:28.080 Not, I'm sorry, because no one thinks they were hurt at this point. Saying, sorry, your reputation

00:38:31.500 is suffering. Here's what the girl says right after the supposed rape. Oh, Jonathan, I really

00:38:35.820 appreciate this text. My memory is super clouded too. I think we were all way too effing drunk and

00:38:41.980 high. I'm getting a little heat from the Pi-Fi girls and so and so and so and so. Can't get my

00:38:47.480 name out of their mouths, but that's to be expected. So again, her concern is only about

00:38:52.180 her reputation, not about any supposed violation to her. But that's to be expected. But at the end

00:38:58.460 of the day, none of the sexual stuff was illegal. And honestly, I really liked being with you and

00:39:04.520 mad. So anything anyone has to say about the, she doesn't say manajewit, which she says, you know,

00:39:12.860 I'm going to spell it for the kids. Anything anyone has to say about the G-A-N-G, B-A-N-G,

00:39:20.600 she uses that word specifically, is out of their jurisdiction. I don't think we should feel any

00:39:27.080 shame for the party, our body, our choice, ASF. If a Hollywood screenwriter wrote it,

00:39:37.080 they'd say it's too on the nose. There is no legal case whatsoever. This woman said during

00:39:41.500 the entire sexual encounter and afterwards, perhaps multiple times, that it was all consensual.

00:39:48.440 She was into it. She supported it. No one should feel like they broke the law. No one should feel

00:39:52.920 any shame for that matter. And yet you kind of, look, I feel bad for the kids because she's

00:39:57.420 ruined their lives and accused them of rape, basically. I feel bad for her because she's

00:40:02.580 super messed up. And she later goes on to say, you know, I'm not really promiscuous. That was

00:40:08.640 all crazy. Maybe that's true. It might be true. And kids just go kind of crazy in college,

00:40:12.120 especially, this is where I really feel bad for all of them, because they've been cultivated in

00:40:17.360 liberalism, where they say, my body, my choice. This is good. This is liberating. I'm supposed

00:40:21.780 to do this. I'm doing what I'm supposed to do. 60 years ago, 70 years ago, kids would have said,

00:40:26.520 you know, I went to bed by 9 p.m. and I finished all my homework and I said my prayers and I went

00:40:30.240 to bed. I'm a good little boy. I'm a good little girl. And today in our liberal culture, we say,

00:40:35.840 you know, I went out and I slept with seven guys and I did a bunch of ketamine and I just did

00:40:39.760 whatever I wanted with my own body and I exercised my personal autonomy. I'm a good little boy. I'm

00:40:44.140 a good little girl. Isn't that great? In other words, they're not trying to be bad.

00:40:54.880 They're trying to be good according to the bad standards of liberalism.

00:40:59.580 And that's where you pity all of these people. But the poor guys, I mean, they should sue Cornell.

00:41:03.580 They should sue this woman for defamation. It's just horrific what they have been put through.

00:41:08.140 Even though their behavior was horrific, even though the girl's behavior was horrific,

00:41:11.700 that I lay most of the blame at the feet of the school administrators and of liberalism more

00:41:16.760 generally it'd be one thing if they were trying to be bad but just skirted the law you know they're

00:41:24.720 trying to be bad but it didn't rise to the level of criminal liability the saddest the most repulsive

00:41:30.080 part of the whole thing is they were trying to be good according to the perversions of our time

00:41:35.540 Okay, before we go, my producers have finally pulled this amazing debate from the lieutenant

00:41:42.660 governor race in Vermont, Molly Gray to Lieutenant Governor John Rogers.

00:41:48.540 Lieutenant Governor John Rogers is a Republican in Vermont, is a very, very moderate Republican.

00:41:52.100 He was a Democrat for most of his career.

00:41:54.240 He's debating Molly Gray.

00:41:55.580 Just to give you just a little hint of the lesser known races going on in these midterms,

00:41:59.600 the kind of candidates we're up against.

00:42:01.000 Speaking of crazy women.

00:42:02.260 miss gray you talk constantly about your family farm your campaign website also says you believe

00:42:09.460 everyone has the right to live with dignity and ensure humane treatment but your family farm was

00:42:15.260 at the center of serious labor violations around its treatment of h2a migrant workers why did you

00:42:22.200 not speak out against the mistreatment of migrant workers on your family farm and did you use your

00:42:28.340 influence to direct the investigation. Wow. You know, John,

00:42:34.980 seems like kind of a new low here. I'm on the ballot. My experience, my background,

00:42:44.420 my policies are on the ballot. My family's not on the ballot. So I'm going to give you

00:42:48.780 an opportunity to ask a different question. No, I don't think I will. He asked this very

00:42:57.000 well-formed question hey you have this family farm that you're involved in that you're constantly

00:43:00.540 touting and you also tout how we need to be so helpful to migrant workers but your your family

00:43:06.660 farm this business that you're involved in abused migrant workers and then you have some responsibility

00:43:11.480 over that so did you abuse your power here is there hypocrisy and she answers with just the

00:43:19.120 most stereotypical, worst caricature of a white liberal lady. Okay. First of all, you're giving

00:43:28.680 me the ick. Okay. Second of all, what? Excuse me? Okay. You know what? I'm going to give you

00:43:39.340 a chance to shut up. That's her answer. This is a very good question. Totally valid question.

00:43:45.560 articulate it was not uh it wasn't engaging any invective or anything or no ad hominems

00:43:52.440 yeah uh and this is just liberalism i mean this gets down to perhaps the essence of liberalism

00:43:59.620 which is that it it makes communication impossible and these either because they're

00:44:05.440 obtuse and they pretend not to understand the issue or because they change the language all

00:44:10.120 the time using politically correct euphemisms to make communication impossible or because they

00:44:14.840 just won't engage. You can't have a republic with people like that. You cannot have a republic

00:44:21.400 with people like that who won't discuss an issue. The basis of our republic is that we can deliberate

00:44:29.380 and discuss and resolve problems through speech. You can't have a republic. I am rubber and you

00:44:39.580 glue, and John, what bounces off of me sticks to you. Okay. This is who's going to take over

00:44:48.760 the country if we lose the midterms. Okay. Speaking up, before we get to the mailbag,

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00:45:42.300 committee. I did not pick the comment. I did not pick the comment. Somebody picked the comment

00:45:49.180 in the control room. We'll see if this was a good comment. From Ian Bob. Michael, yesterday was a

00:45:54.160 rough day. The Yankees lost. I mean, I did have a daughter yesterday, but the Yankees. Michael might

00:45:58.360 actually be their biggest fan. I know. You know, it's funny. People are surprised because I don't

00:46:02.200 care about sports at all. When the whole girls' sports debate was up, I was very forthright,

00:46:06.880 unlike most of my conservative friends who pretended to care about the WNBA or whatever,

00:46:11.340 women's sports. I said, I don't care about women's sports at all. I barely care about men's sports.

00:46:15.100 And I don't. I don't know the rules to football. I know most of them, but I don't know. I don't

00:46:19.660 watch football, basketball, hockey even. I don't watch any of that. I care about one sport. And

00:46:24.500 specifically, I care about one team. I don't even want to watch other teams. It's the New York

00:46:27.920 Yankees. And I don't know if I ever, if Ben ever gets his way and I finally get canned from the

00:46:34.180 Daily Wire, I am going to throw in my application to be the field manager or general manager of the

00:46:41.100 New York Yankees. Because at this point, I think I could do a much better job than Aaron Boone or

00:46:45.080 Brian Cashman. Finally, we arrive at my favorite time of the week when I get to hear from you in

00:46:49.440 the mailbag. Our mailbag is sponsored by PureTalk at puretalk.com slash Knowles, K-N-A-W-L-E-S to

00:46:53.280 join my wireless company today. Take it away. Hi, Michael. Millie here. I just turned 18 and

00:47:00.700 immediately registered to vote in preparation for the upcoming November election. I'm sure you and

00:47:06.600 your team are well aware of how difficult it is for a Gen Z college student to get information

00:47:11.460 on politicians without being blatantly lied to. So I was wondering if you had any advice on what

00:47:17.760 I should be looking for or where to start looking for information. As always, thanks for helping me

00:47:22.920 turn my purple state a little more red? Great question. Just vote straight Republican.

00:47:28.480 This is going to be so contrary to all the preening, sanctimonious pundits and activists

00:47:36.400 on the left and the right and your civics teacher and all that. But no one has time to research all

00:47:42.300 the candidates and write up. No one really should. That's a kind of rationalist ideological approach.

00:47:48.000 A good rule of thumb, just vote straight Republican. They're going to be way more right,

00:47:51.660 especially now that the parties are so clear. And one party is just trying to flood the country

00:47:55.260 with illegals and is totally opposed to patriotism and has the heat map of loves completely inverted

00:48:02.520 away from those close to us to those further away and abstracted. And they want to kill babies and

00:48:07.000 chop off kids' genitals and all the rest. So just vote straight Republican. Sometimes there are bad

00:48:11.100 Republicans in the mix. And maybe those, you either withhold your vote if the office doesn't

00:48:15.480 matter as much, or you write somebody in, or you probably don't vote for a Democrat almost ever.

00:48:20.580 but just as a rule, save yourself a bunch of time. You don't need to get brownie points and

00:48:25.620 cookies for, you know, I did research on every county clerk candidate and to R&I, the most

00:48:31.560 civically engaged, doesn't matter, just vote Republican. Like I said, I don't mean to sound

00:48:36.000 like a hack. I don't think I, I think I'm giving the more astute and deeper view of political

00:48:42.100 philosophy, which is, it's like the IQ bell curve meme. It's like, it's like you got your local

00:48:46.700 yokel, doesn't read his Edmund Burke, doesn't, he's just like, I vote Republican. And then you

00:48:53.420 get the midwit. It's like, we actually have to read the economics white papers on the websites

00:48:58.120 of every candidate. I don't know why it sounds like Jordan Peterson. That's not something Jordan

00:49:01.040 would say, but well, you know, and it's about whether you believe in the candidate. No, it's

00:49:04.960 whatever. The guy in the middle, the kind of, the wonk guy would say, no, you have to, you don't,

00:49:12.760 Because then you get to the Jedi up at the top, just vote straight Republican.

00:49:18.040 That will serve you better statistically 100% of the time.

00:49:21.360 Okay, next question.

00:49:24.640 Hi, Michael.

00:49:25.540 Sean here, longtime listener of the show.

00:49:27.860 And I have a question for you about your favorite topic of conversation, Dante.

00:49:32.980 More specifically, Inferno.

00:49:34.800 I'm in Canto 19 where Virgil and Dante trek into the eighth circle of hell.

00:49:40.580 and they come across the shade of Pope Nicholas III.

00:49:46.040 And I was wondering, even though Dante laments the Pope for his corruption,

00:49:54.880 how would a Pope be sent to hell if he's infallible?

00:50:00.360 It's something that I was confused about.

00:50:02.700 Figured I'd go to a trusted source on Dante.

00:50:05.480 Thanks. Look forward to hearing what you have to say.

00:50:08.440 Very good question with a very simple answer. Infallible does not mean impeccable. Infallible means, and in the context of the papacy, infallible means in certain contexts, in certain very limited contexts, the Pope can teach infallibly on matters of doctrine, dogma, and faith and morals ex cathedra through a formal act.

00:50:29.640 So it's narrow, but papal infallibility in that narrow sense is actually a logical necessity that comes from ecclesiology if Christ is to have a representative on earth in a visible church that actually exists throughout the world.

00:50:45.000 So it's not something that people invented down the line.

00:50:48.160 It's not something that gives magical powers to the pope or anything like that.

00:50:50.800 It's a logical necessity of a visible and distinct church.

00:50:54.920 It's implied by the keys to the kingdom of heaven, but it doesn't mean that they're impeccable.

00:50:58.860 A good example is the first pope, Peter, is given the keys to the kingdom of heaven.

00:51:02.660 What you bind on earth will be bound in heaven.

00:51:03.940 What you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

00:51:05.560 And then Peter sins like right away.

00:51:08.960 Peter sins a bunch in the Bible, which is important.

00:51:12.040 That's instructive for us because impeccable comes from the Latin verb pecare, means to sin.

00:51:17.560 The pope can sin.

00:51:19.620 For goodness sakes, in Acts, when St. Paul goes up to Peter,

00:51:24.040 Peter who's been eating like Gentiles, and then the Jews come around,

00:51:26.700 and he wants to eat like Jews again

00:51:28.760 and not hang out with the Gentiles.

00:51:30.260 And Paul rebukes him.

00:51:32.060 Paul is not in any way diminishing Peter's office

00:51:34.640 as the spokesman of the apostles,

00:51:36.560 as the kind of leader of the group.

00:51:38.260 He's not doing that.

00:51:39.120 He's not suggesting that Paul is teaching in error

00:51:41.360 or anything like that,

00:51:42.480 that we shouldn't take seriously the epistles of Paul.

00:51:44.700 Peter, what he's saying is he did something wrong.

00:51:48.160 But that's okay.

00:51:48.820 Infallible has never meant impeccable.

00:51:50.560 So there could be plenty of popes in hell.

00:51:52.320 I don't think there are a lot of popes in hell,

00:51:53.800 but there might very well be some.

00:51:56.280 And if Dante's right, there's Pope Nicholas and Pope Boniface.

00:51:58.500 Okay, next question.

00:51:59.740 Michael, you got about 98% of your takes right,

00:52:01.780 but this is one of the 2% from one baseball aficionado to another.

00:52:05.380 Verlander getting pulled out of the game by his daughter,

00:52:07.400 his final game of his 20-year career, and he gets choked up.

00:52:10.720 He starts crying.

00:52:11.440 It was a beautiful thing to quote Moneyball.

00:52:13.660 How can you not be romantic about baseball?

00:52:16.100 Your main problem with the whole thing was he wasn't stoic about it, correct?

00:52:19.180 He wasn't Tony Soprano.

00:52:20.640 He wasn't Lou Gehrig.

00:52:21.740 Okay, my question, similar situation.

00:52:23.540 It's Game 7 of the World Series.

00:52:25.020 The guys are on the baseline, old glories flying in the wind.

00:52:28.760 They start playing the national anthem, and it all comes together.

00:52:31.680 The camera's panning around the guys.

00:52:33.500 They've been playing for years, all this work, all this time, all this effort,

00:52:37.440 the love for the country, and they pan to the guy,

00:52:39.740 and you see the tear in his eye.

00:52:41.320 You see the tear running down his face, and I love it.

00:52:44.600 I love that moment.

00:52:45.580 It's a beautiful thing, the pride for the country,

00:52:47.920 the pride for what they do, the love for the game.

00:52:51.120 Is that a bad thing?

00:52:52.720 Bingo.

00:52:53.160 go that's not a bad thing but those are totally different circumstances so i talked about it on

00:52:59.400 the show verlander ends his 21 year career he's one of the greatest pitchers ever and what do

00:53:05.540 they do i guess the team arranged for his daughter to run up onto the mound at his after his last

00:53:10.680 pitch and then he starts crying and he's got his shoulders going oh it's really it's sad because

00:53:14.860 verlander is awesome but but i hated that scene i really didn't like that because that is different

00:53:22.160 from the baseball players, as you say,

00:53:24.440 standing on the first baseline

00:53:26.340 of the beginning of the game,

00:53:27.860 World Series, all glories flying,

00:53:30.220 the national anthem,

00:53:31.360 tear goes down their eye

00:53:32.740 because of the love for their country

00:53:34.040 and the love of the game.

00:53:34.740 Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:35.640 Love of the country, love of the game.

00:53:37.560 That's what I want to see.

00:53:39.000 I don't want self-indulgent love on the field.

00:53:42.720 And I don't want the girl,

00:53:44.000 forget about he should have remained stoic

00:53:45.620 when his daughter ran up to him.

00:53:46.520 I don't want his daughter running on the field

00:53:47.720 during a game.

00:53:48.300 That's weird.

00:53:49.120 I don't want that.

00:53:50.200 Nothing against the daughter.

00:53:51.240 She was a cute little kid

00:53:52.060 and Verlander's a very impressive guy, but I don't want that. The game, yes, you're very romantic

00:53:57.020 about baseball. I tear up watching baseball. I'm very romantic about baseball, but yes, it's about

00:54:01.480 the love of the game. It's about the country. It's the most patriotic sport left. It's America's

00:54:07.720 favorite pastime. It's about the legacy. It's about the history. But it's not about the individuals

00:54:14.260 and indulging the personal and the individual desire. That's what I didn't like. I don't like

00:54:19.920 it now when the baseball players start dancing around and pretending that they're basketball

00:54:24.420 or more football players, for that matter. I don't like that. I like the old, you keep it about

00:54:30.660 business, you keep it about the game. And then when something great happens in the game, when

00:54:34.600 something great happens for the country, then you're cheering, then you're jumping on each other.

00:54:38.460 Even when something bad happens and Paul O'Neill starts punching out water coolers, I like that.

00:54:42.060 But it's got to be about the game. It can't be self-indulgent. It has to be all about winning.

00:54:46.900 And you can tell I'm sensitive to this

00:54:48.380 because the Yankees have not been all about winning in quite a while.

00:54:50.700 Okay, I know we're running late.

00:54:52.560 I don't care.

00:54:53.080 Give me the last meal back question.

00:54:54.880 Good morning, Michael.

00:54:55.520 This is Arun.

00:54:56.400 So in light of the Krista Pike botched execution,

00:54:59.180 I am curious about your thoughts on the Western tradition of the last meal.

00:55:03.600 I looked into this, and last meals in the United States

00:55:06.420 are surprisingly restrictive in practice.

00:55:09.340 In Tennessee, last meals must cost $20 or less.

00:55:12.420 In Texas, they got rid of the last meal altogether

00:55:15.060 because some guy back in 2011 ordered everything but the kitchen sink and didn't eat any of it.

00:55:20.540 Now, I realize that these people are the worst that humanity has to offer,

00:55:25.080 but just for context, Adolf Eichmann, the chief architect of the Holocaust,

00:55:28.960 was granted his last meal request of a bottle of kosher Israeli wine, and he finished half of it.

00:55:35.060 So I'm curious if you think we need to modify our last meal practices.

00:55:39.600 Also, if hypothetically Professor Jacob were anointed chief priest of the Sanhedrin and condemned you to death for idolatry and fat shaming, what would be your last meal? Hypothetically, of course.

00:55:54.540 Very, very good question. And it actually gives me another thought on the earlier question about the popes in hell, but we'll get to that in a second. Yeah, I'm very pro last meal. It's civilized.

00:56:03.560 When we execute people, we don't want it to be in a state of private vengeance.

00:56:09.960 We don't want to torture them.

00:56:10.900 Sometimes people will say, isn't it even worse for these people?

00:56:13.740 They make this, I think, disingenuous argument against death penalty.

00:56:16.440 They say, I don't want to execute them.

00:56:18.100 I want them to suffer even more.

00:56:20.000 I think it's way worse for them to have to live out their lives in prison.

00:56:23.380 You say, okay, well, I don't want them to suffer.

00:56:25.380 I want justice.

00:56:26.960 I want there to be justice.

00:56:28.180 I want to help rehabilitate them.

00:56:29.660 Hanging concentrates the mind.

00:56:30.980 I want to deter other crime.

00:56:32.260 ironically many of the pro-death penalty people are less bloodthirsty or at least present

00:56:38.460 themselves that way than the anti-death penalty people because the point you misunderstand the

00:56:42.840 point of the death penalty i don't want them to suffer i want it to be i want it to the death

00:56:48.320 penalty i think is more civilized certainly than whatever we have in america right now

00:56:51.280 so yeah i think they should have a last meal i'm very pro last meal even for a guy like eichmann

00:56:56.720 yeah give him his bottle of wine give people their last meal what would my last meal be you

00:57:01.660 said, if Jacob became the head of the Sanhedrin. This also brings me to another point on the Pope,

00:57:05.800 the difference between infallible and impeccable. Think about Caiaphas, the high priest.

00:57:11.160 Caiaphas in the Bible, he does a lot of bad things. He does everything he possibly can to

00:57:20.140 kill God. But by virtue of his office as the high priest, he prophesies. He says,

00:57:25.820 better for one man to die that the nation may live. That is the kind of prophecy that comes

00:57:30.940 from his office as the high priest, even though he's a sinful man. So Professor Jacob becomes

00:57:36.440 head of the Sanhedrin and I get my last meal, probably a cheesesteak, probably a cheesesteak.

00:57:43.120 And I too would like a glass of Ren wine with that. I'm not, I don't know, I don't know about

00:57:48.500 Israeli wine, but if, if Professor Jacob's the one doling it out, I'll take what I can get. So

00:57:52.920 sure, I'll have that wine. I'll have the Jacob wine and a nice delicious cheesesteak with onions

00:57:58.080 and a little bit of mushrooms and whiz, chopped on a nice Sama Rosa roll. Okay. The rest of the

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00:58:27.820 I have no idea what the protest is about.

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Ep. 2078 - We Are Going To Publicly Execute A Terrorist And You Can Watch

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