The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 21 - Bethany Mandel： North Korea, Bad Government, and Babies

00:00:00.000 With 20 years reporting on the markets, I know that some industries are built to last,

00:00:03.980 but others are built to lead. John Oelichman here. If you want exposure to what's really

00:00:08.280 shaping our world, think beyond trends. Think defense, healthcare, telecom, real estate,

00:00:13.920 gold, crypto. They're not just headlines, they're foundations. And with GlobalX,

00:00:18.400 one of Canada's largest ETF providers, you can invest in them intelligently. With a range of

00:00:23.660 ETFs designed for long-term growth and steady income opportunities. GlobalX,

00:00:28.120 where innovation meets investing. Brought to you by GlobalX Investments Canada, Inc.

00:00:32.440 For key risk information, please refer to the ETF's prospectus, available at globalx.ca.

00:00:37.960 Today, I'm joined in studio by writer and political commentator, Bethany Mandel,

00:00:42.920 to talk about her work on North Korea, having babies on the side of the highway,

00:00:47.680 and how the experience of big government can make you into a conservative. Yes, even you.

00:00:52.680 Then, Roaming Millennial and Cassie Dillon join the panel of deplorables 1.00

00:00:56.460 to discuss our impending war with North Korea, the soon-to-be-deported DACA dreamers, 0.92

00:01:01.780 and the Georgia schoolteacher who banned Make America Great Again t-shirts from her classroom.

00:01:07.180 And you pay her salary, taxpayers. I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:11.140 So, we're very lucky. We have Bethany Mandelin today, one of the best commentators out there.

00:01:25.000 Really fun to read. You can read you anywhere, basically, but at The Federalist.

00:01:28.780 A lot of other places have carried your writing. I want to delve right into this.

00:01:34.200 What are you doing in Los Angeles?

00:01:36.740 So, I was flown out here by Liberty in North Korea, which is an organization that when refugees escape

00:01:44.020 over the border from North Korea into China, if they're in China and they're caught in China

00:01:49.460 by Chinese authorities or by someone else in China, they're either sent back to North Korea,

00:01:54.620 where they're put in death camps, or they're killed, or they're put into sex trafficking if they're women. 0.93

00:02:02.960 So, Liberty in North Korea has networks in northern China, and they are able to identify these refugees

00:02:09.440 and help them traverse 3,000 miles through an underground railroad from northern China into South Korea,

00:02:16.680 where they have automatic citizenship. But that 3,000-mile trip costs about $3,000.

00:02:21.760 So, over the last five years, I've just sort of, as a Jewish person, I've felt like I need to do something

00:02:28.640 because this is not a holocaust, but it's so similar because of the camps and because of the dictatorship

00:02:36.100 and the mass death that's happened so many instances over the last decades.

00:02:40.880 And the negligence, the international negligence of the issue.

00:02:44.660 Yeah, no one seems to care that there's death camps the size of Los Angeles in North Korea.

00:02:48.320 So, I started fundraising for them five years ago. I remember very vividly first learning about Rwanda

00:02:56.360 when I was a kid, and I asked my mom, you know, what did you do? As if my mom could have done something

00:03:02.080 because when you're a kid, you think, like, my mom should be able to fix this.

00:03:06.340 And so, we were trying to have a baby, and I said, well, I need to be able to say that.

00:03:09.940 I need to say something to my kid. So, I started fundraising for North Korea five years ago

00:03:14.180 when we started trying to have a baby. And over the last five years, I've raised enough

00:03:17.680 to rescue 17 refugees from China.

00:03:21.420 Wow.

00:03:22.180 So, they're honoring me at their gala.

00:03:24.200 So, you're being a little humble, too. You're not just out here to go have dinner or something.

00:03:28.400 You're being honored for your work.

00:03:29.780 Yeah, yeah. So, they're honoring me at their gala on Saturday night.

00:03:32.900 Wow. This seems like the best charity.

00:03:35.640 Yeah.

00:03:35.840 I do remember reading about it once and having that same reaction. Like, why doesn't everybody

00:03:41.120 just flood their money into this thing?

00:03:42.760 Yeah. Yeah. And the incredible thing about Liberty in North Korea and how I first heard

00:03:46.120 about them is I read every memoir that I can find from all of these defectors. And by writing

00:03:54.260 all of these memoirs, they're opening the world's eyes to what's happening in North Korea. And it's

00:03:59.260 such an incredible way to make the world care when they don't seem to want to.

00:04:04.900 Mm-hmm. So, you're not just rescuing a life, which is incredibly valuable in and of itself,

00:04:09.460 but you're also helping open the world's eyes to these atrocities and hopefully saving people.

00:04:15.360 One of the things I love about you and about your writing is that you don't just talk the

00:04:20.240 talk. You walk it, too.

00:04:21.740 I try.

00:04:22.260 You try to. That's all we can do.

00:04:24.460 Yeah.

00:04:24.600 So, a lot of conservatives all the time, they talk about how we need to be more charitable.

00:04:29.220 Yeah.

00:04:29.380 But I don't know how charitable every conservative is. A lot of times, they'll talk about how we

00:04:34.040 need to have babies. We need to have a family. We need to have family values. That's the building

00:04:38.300 block of society. And yet, so many of the commentators and the politicians are single or

00:04:44.540 they don't really have kids.

00:04:45.940 You should go to CPAC and see the debauchery that happens at CPAC.

00:04:48.600 I might have experienced some of that debauchery once upon a time. It's crazy. I witnessed it.

00:04:52.600 It's the biggest hookup and party. Nobody would believe it because it's so much Brooks Brothers

00:04:58.580 and bow ties.

00:04:59.700 But once the lights go out, what is it? The Reaganpalooza?

00:05:02.540 Yeah.

00:05:03.300 That's right.

00:05:04.360 I mean, I don't consider myself sheltered at all, but the first time I went to Reaganpalooza,

00:05:09.340 I was horrified. Like, I used to go to raves in Europe and see people hooking up in pools.

00:05:15.760 You do want to hear a really gross story?

00:05:17.100 Please. Always.

00:05:17.820 I'm just going to tell you, everybody enjoy this one. My mother-in-law is hopefully not

00:05:21.340 watching. I went to a rave at a bathhouse in Budapest and I was like, I'm going to go

00:05:27.120 swimming. This is great. And I ended up getting chlamydia in my eye. It was horrifying.

00:05:36.000 Of all the ways I thought that would end. That's worse, even than what I was thinking.

00:05:40.120 There was no benefit to me. Someone was having fun in the pool and I had antibiotics

00:05:47.540 resistant chlamydia in my eye.

00:05:49.700 It's not even that regular weak chlamydia.

00:05:52.320 It was impossible to get rid of for years. They had to put me on like a serious dose of

00:05:56.020 antibiotics to get rid of it.

00:05:56.980 You can say what you want about CPAC. I went through a lot of debauchery there. I never

00:06:01.380 got chlamydia in my eye.

00:06:02.360 Well, you weren't partying hard.

00:06:03.720 I know. You're making me nostalgic for all those bright college years.

00:06:07.960 But the point is, I've seen debauchery in person and I became conservative because I

00:06:12.680 didn't want to see those things in my daily life. And then I went to Reaganpalooza and I was like,

00:06:17.280 Oh, you know, I wonder too, if it's especially among the beltway, the young Republican types,

00:06:21.640 there is an emphasis, I think, on I'm a fiscal conservative, but a social liberal. I'm a cool

00:06:26.020 guy.

00:06:26.480 And it's really not social liberalism as much as like, I would love some premarital.

00:06:30.660 Yeah. I'm a libertine. Yeah.

00:06:32.640 Which, you know, who can blame them?

00:06:34.680 I'm not going to say anything. My mother-in-law may indeed be watching.

00:06:37.800 That's right. But you, you don't do that. You're living this out and you just had a kid.

00:06:43.480 Mazel tov.

00:06:44.100 Thank you.

00:06:44.520 You just had a kid on the side of a highway.

00:06:46.440 I did. Not on purpose. I tweeted actually, um, Piers Morgan tweeted yesterday how he was

00:06:52.900 hosting some British something or other.

00:06:55.600 Right.

00:06:56.100 I think it was, I think it's a TV show.

00:06:57.180 That's the title of it, I think.

00:06:58.220 Some British something or other.

00:06:59.580 Piers Morgan.

00:07:00.720 And he's like, I'm doing it with three broken ribs. And so I clapped back and I tweeted,

00:07:05.080 I had a baby, I had a nine pound baby on the side of the highway, tough guy.

00:07:07.680 And I try to hold that card. Like I don't play it at every moment, but I was like, this

00:07:13.400 is going to be the moment where I'm going to put that card. And like 9,000 people have

00:07:16.180 liked that tweet. And I was like, all right, that was a pretty effective one.

00:07:18.340 Well deserved.

00:07:19.240 Yeah.

00:07:19.820 So this isn't just some baby. This is a nine pound baby.

00:07:22.200 Nine pounds.

00:07:22.740 No medicine, no drugs.

00:07:24.560 So I planned on doing that. I was like using midwives and I'm sort of hippy dippy on birth

00:07:27.960 and my other two kids were also like natural, whatever. Not because I love pain, but because

00:07:32.980 needles scare the daylights out of me. I don't really want a needle in my spine. And it was

00:07:38.380 funny, like when I was pregnant with my first, well, when I was having her in labor, I, you

00:07:42.620 become paranoid and crazy when you're in labor. And so I got it in my head that they were all

00:07:48.600 trying to just slip me an epidural. And so I started screaming like, no drugs, get away from

00:07:53.760 me. Don't touch me. I don't want drugs. And they were like, we've never heard a woman say that.

00:07:58.860 Yeah.

00:07:59.120 Never.

00:07:59.580 And you sound like a lady who's on drugs, you know, get out of here. Don't bring, wow. 1.00

00:08:02.980 So I had two natural births already, which the benefit of that was I knew what it felt 0.99

00:08:08.800 like. And so it wasn't like, I might have to poop on the side of the road. Like, no,

00:08:14.140 I'm going to have a baby right now on the side of the road. And I, I mean, we shouldn't

00:08:19.800 have chosen a hospital that was 45 minutes away.

00:08:22.540 Lessons learned for the fourth kid. And so now you're on your third child.

00:08:26.280 Yeah, this is third. Yeah.

00:08:27.280 And I just, I met little Altima. That's the nickname.

00:08:30.280 Yeah. He was born in a Nissan Altima. Nissan hooked us up. Thank you guys. They cleaned the

00:08:35.860 car for free.

00:08:37.160 That was generous of them.

00:08:38.320 It was really generous.

00:08:39.040 Well appreciated.

00:08:39.860 Yes.

00:08:40.400 Do you find in your life, it's so strange to have a lot of kids now. It's strange to have

00:08:45.140 kids at a young age. It's strange, especially you're in a sort of intellectual commentariat.

00:08:49.900 It's, it's just not common anymore. Yeah. What are the pros and cons of propagating our

00:08:57.040 way into political power? There are no cons, except you might accidentally have a baby on

00:09:02.360 the side of the road. That's a con. But you don't regret anything. You don't, you don't

00:09:06.080 have a day where you are ripping your hair out and saying, I wish that I were living in

00:09:10.960 some Manhattan penthouse working in a bank. You know, it's funny. I have those seconds

00:09:14.900 where like, I, I did a thousand mile road trip two weeks ago with my kids alone. My

00:09:20.000 husband couldn't take off the work because he came with me on this trip. So he didn't

00:09:26.160 have that much vacation time. Um, and then we had a week between thousand mile road trip

00:09:30.620 and LA trip, which is six hours on a plane with three kids under four. And, um, and so

00:09:36.380 my kids of course were sick that week in between, which I mean, I'll take that versus on either

00:09:41.720 end. And so like one kid is vomiting. The other kid has 102 fever. The other kid, she

00:09:48.140 was like coughing or something. I remember. And I only way to make this worse is to get

00:09:51.500 chlamydia in your eye and everything else. And it's pretty tough. Yeah. And so I was like,

00:09:56.100 I had a moment where I said, you know, why am I doing this? And then I have a girlfriend,

00:09:59.900 I have a million girlfriends who are still single and want to have kids and I'm living their dream

00:10:04.900 life. And even though the dream life isn't awesome at every moment of the day, no life is

00:10:09.700 awesome at every moment of the day. But I mean, I have a really sweet situation. I'm, I'm a stay

00:10:14.940 at home mom. I'm home with my three kids and they're my, they're my job and everything else

00:10:18.960 is just sort of a side hustle. But, and that's what I call it. You're a prolific side hustler.

00:10:23.200 Yes. Yes. And so, I mean, I make it work by, I show up at the daily wire with my four month old

00:10:28.960 because I am breastfeeding and he won't take formula and I don't pump. So like, here we are.

00:10:34.080 I've recently been talking to my fiance, sweet little Elisa about this because a lot of our

00:10:38.380 conservative friends are, have a lot of kids now and they live in the middle of nowhere.

00:10:43.820 And in New York where I'm from, that is totally unheard of. It's bizarre. We're even getting

00:10:48.500 married at sort of a young age, but I want an army. Can I ask you how old you are?

00:10:51.820 I, a lady never tells. I am, I'm 27. Okay. So. I got married when I was 25, I think, or 24.

00:10:58.520 And, and you know too, you're from New Jersey. Yeah. It's unheard of. Yeah. Out there.

00:11:03.060 Yeah. So I, we're Orthodox Jews, so it's, it's more normal. Like my husband was sort

00:11:08.280 of a spinster when we got married. He was 29, I think, when we got married.

00:11:12.600 Seth the spinster. Yeah. Yeah. And so people were starting to wonder like, what's, what's

00:11:16.800 the deal here? Why isn't he married yet? And he was just, you know, waiting for his soulmate.

00:11:20.700 Waiting, waiting for the right one to come along. Yeah. Who will let him have a baby on the side 0.85

00:11:25.080 of the road and he gets to deliver it and be the hero. And speaking, this is a little apropos

00:11:29.200 of nothing, but I was reminded of it when I talked about how you're in New Jersey and

00:11:33.540 I'm from New York. We also, we have another similar experience. Our, your mother died when

00:11:38.580 you were 16. Yeah. My mother died when I was 17. Yeah. We both interacted with the federal

00:11:43.440 government in Medicaid, social security, all of those agencies. Yeah. That made you more

00:11:51.220 conservative. It made me a conservative period. My, my mom was the most liberal person ever, 1.00

00:11:57.580 um, except for guns. We had a lot of guns, which is kind of weird. Like I was telling

00:12:01.780 Alicia, I'm staying with Alicia Krause. And so I was telling her we had a shotgun in every

00:12:07.240 corner of our living room loaded and just laying. And I remember this at four years old.

00:12:11.700 This is in Jersey. Uh, so I'm from New York and I would like to make that very clear.

00:12:16.040 I live in New Jersey, but I am from New York and I'm just a temporary. It is a difference

00:12:20.040 of mindset. Yes. I'm a temporary resident of New Jersey and whenever I can flee, I will.

00:12:23.780 Yeah. I'm working on my husband on that front. It's been a few years, but, um, yeah. So my mom

00:12:31.820 was really liberal and, um, and I remember one of my first memories is, is giving the finger to

00:12:37.080 abortion protesters. Wow. And she was like, she had had abortions and she was proud of it. She was one 0.94

00:12:42.560 of those kinds of liberals. And I sort of went into my childhood with, I was a big Al Gore supporter

00:12:51.580 and I had his bumper stickers on my locker in middle school. You are the only student

00:12:55.540 in the United States who ever had Al Gore bumper stickers. Part of it was because he had a Jewish 1.00

00:13:01.520 running mate and I had sort of like the Jewish pride, like Joe Lieberman, he's one of us.

00:13:05.580 I do love Joe Lieberman. He is really nice. If he had been at the top of the ticket, I still

00:13:09.620 would never have supported them, but he's a really decent guy. He's a decent guy. Yeah. Um, he used to

00:13:14.660 belong to our synagogue in, in DC and I used to sort of like channel 13 year old Bethany

00:13:19.920 and fangirl and we would, it's like there, there's a nosh thing at the end of synagogue 0.99

00:13:24.600 on Saturday afternoon. And the first time I saw him, I was like, for some 13 year old

00:13:30.180 girls, it's Justin Timberlake for others. It's Joe Lieberman. I have an old man thing.

00:13:34.200 I really do. And Seth has a beard now and I made him grow it and he has these like gray hairs

00:13:39.020 and it just hubba hubba for, for a certain personality. Yes. He's still my beating heart.

00:13:42.880 Yes. So you're 16. Right. Sorry. Your mother dies and you were at loss. You have to deal

00:13:49.400 with the government. You have to deal with everything that comes with that. Your dad was

00:13:52.920 MIA. So you're in this impossible situation. Yeah. The government makes it worse. Yeah. 0.97

00:13:58.200 Yeah. So I, for the first year I was 16 and for the first year I bounced around to friends

00:14:03.800 and I was an exchange student at the time. So I was living in Belgium. So I just finished

00:14:07.860 my exchange year because I had nowhere else to go. Um, so I came back and I had nowhere

00:14:11.700 to live because the person who was supposed to be my guardian decided not to be my guardian,

00:14:15.460 which was a pretty jerky thing to do. Yeah. Not a good time for that to happen. 16, you

00:14:20.140 just lost your mother. Yeah. So my fairly evil aunt, um, who I had heard nothing but awful

00:14:27.860 things from my mother offered me her couch in New York city on the Lower East side. And

00:14:31.700 I was like, yeah, I'll take that on a good day. Certainly when I'm desperate. And so she said,

00:14:37.520 you know, I, I won't touch any of the money that I'm getting from social security or child

00:14:42.180 support from your dad. And, and that will be yours at the end of it. Cause I had very

00:14:45.860 little inheritance. And the day my check stopped from social security, when I graduated high

00:14:52.060 school, I was kicked out on the front steps of the Lower East side with, uh, like still 0.97

00:14:59.180 gives me panic when I have like low battery on my phone. Oh, and I forgot to charge it.

00:15:03.200 Crap. Um, because I had no battery on my phone. 0.99

00:15:06.740 Where are you going to charge it?

00:15:07.540 Yeah. And I, I hadn't, I didn't have my charger with me. I had like two bars. I was under 10%,

00:15:13.500 my garbage bags. And I was just on the streets in New York city. And I went to social security

00:15:19.560 and I told them the whole story and dah, dah, dah. And they said, yeah, she actually, that

00:15:24.320 was fraud. What she did was fraud. And there was like other parts of the story also that,

00:15:28.820 that made it more fraudulent. Um, and I said, okay, let's, let's go. Let's do it.

00:15:33.420 Great. You've determined it's fraud. Thank you government.

00:15:36.120 Yeah. And so they said, we'll sign an investigator and we'll get it back. And I said, great. Thank

00:15:41.020 you. I'm going to guess you're still waiting for that investigator to show up.

00:15:43.540 So he knocked on her door twice and then the investigation had to close.

00:15:47.620 People don't know this. If your parent dies and you're under 18, social security administration

00:15:52.640 does send a check for a little while. It used to be until you were 21.

00:15:55.960 Now I think it's until you're 18, high school graduation. And I mean, I was lucky. My,

00:16:00.800 my family didn't, didn't steal my money from me. They were very good about it,

00:16:03.900 but the check doesn't go to you. The check goes to somebody else. And if you're in a terrible

00:16:09.180 situation like that, there it goes. And then your mother, like my mother paid into social security

00:16:14.900 all her life. Her entire life. And she worked from 16 years old until, same with my mother.

00:16:19.920 Yeah. And my mom worked hot, like very hard. My mom was an incredible person. I'm sure yours was also,

00:16:24.880 but nothing. It was now the federal government has that money. There's no return on that. You get

00:16:30.780 no return. So you're desperate. You're basically homeless at 17 or 18 at that point, 18, because

00:16:37.540 you've graduated from high school and you have a political transformation. Basically I, so I,

00:16:44.440 my freshman year of college, I went and I lived in the South Bronx cause it was all I could afford.

00:16:49.000 And my mom being wily and smart convinced my not so wily and smart father that when they divorced,

00:16:56.660 he would have to pay child support. She gave him a choice either. I don't know, 15% until she 0.95

00:17:03.280 graduates high school or 10% until she graduates whatever school that she's done. And so he was

00:17:09.620 like, I'm going to pick the lower number, not realizing that that's actually going to be more

00:17:14.380 over the course of time. And you're on the hook for longer. So math gets a little fuzzy when it's,

00:17:18.760 you're just doing it. Yeah. And when you're, yeah, whatever, I'm not going to. So any who's Z. 1.00

00:17:23.960 So he was on the hook to still pay me child support when I was in college. And so I found an apartment

00:17:28.820 in a roach infested apartment, first floor level in the Bronx. And it was exactly his child support 0.54

00:17:36.440 payment. So he just paid my rent instead of child support. And, um, and I worked full time to pay my

00:17:42.980 bills and I often didn't make my bills. I walked around with a dollar in my wallet.

00:17:48.340 Five foot tall Jewish girl living in the South Bronx.

00:17:50.720 Yeah. And I had to ask my, my very rich friends on the upper West side, you know,

00:17:54.780 do you have some boxes of pasta you can steal out of your parents' pantry? I was really profoundly

00:17:59.600 broke that year. Like I really can't understate how broke I was. And I was really idealistic. And I

00:18:06.060 said, you know, I'm going to work in the Bronx and I'm going to work with students. And, and I lived

00:18:11.360 there and I met these, their teachers. And I heard the stories of, you know, on welfare,

00:18:18.000 my mom had a baby every two years, so she could qualify for WIC and they didn't know their,

00:18:22.420 their, all their kids' names and their teachers. And this is all.

00:18:26.040 You're joking.

00:18:26.600 No, no. Every two years. I remember this kid's name to this day. And this was.

00:18:32.000 These are the stories that we're always told by the left-wing press. Ronald Reagan was making it up.

00:18:37.100 The stories of the welfare queen and people gaming the system. But you met these people

00:18:40.960 personally. Yeah. And, and I, I went to the supermarket and saw people buying the junk food

00:18:46.500 with their, with their food stamps and then going outside and selling it. Like you, if you live in

00:18:51.140 New York city, you will see these things in person and it's not hard to see them. And I had friends who

00:18:56.940 were working off the books and were on welfare and Medicaid and food stamps and everything. And I,

00:19:03.920 I was not, I was, I was playing it pretty by the book. And, and I saw that my students and they

00:19:09.460 would talk to me about their teachers who all of these sort of teachers unions protected their jobs,

00:19:14.760 but their teachers would come in and say, I am working here for two years so that I can get my

00:19:19.960 loans forgiven. And they'd lay down their giant New York times on, on the desk. And they'd say,

00:19:24.980 everyone be quiet for the next 45 minutes. And I don't care what you do. And that's the schools.

00:19:29.040 And my, my kids would come up to me cause I was, I was running an afterschool program and, and my,

00:19:35.360 the seniors who had just graduated, they had never met someone who was in college. And I was at city

00:19:39.880 college, the CUNY school in New York. And it was a great college. It's a city university, CUNY. It has

00:19:44.980 great programs. It doesn't need to be a great college. Yeah. Um, I mean, it was, it was good for

00:19:49.300 what it was, honestly, I paid almost nothing. Um, and so they would come up to me and say, how do I go to

00:19:54.240 college? And they had just graduated high school. And I said, did you take the SATs? No one told me

00:20:01.240 how to take the SATs. They, they had never met anyone that went to college. They had no idea how

00:20:05.040 to go to college and they're, and they, they, they wanted to start in September. These kids are all

00:20:09.880 products of the system. They're interacting with the government, with these systems, every step of

00:20:14.860 the way. And all liberal controlled, by the way, New York city, teachers unions, and they just

00:20:20.520 have utterly failed them. There was no, none of the incentives are aligned to get these kids on

00:20:26.240 the most basic things. Yeah. They're in the system since they're in the cradle and they can't show

00:20:31.860 them that you need to take the SAT. Yeah. It was June, July, and they wanted to, I mean, and if you

00:20:36.720 think about it, if you don't know the system, if you move to a new area, you just enroll in school and

00:20:42.680 you start in September. And they had no idea that there's this whole, they should have been doing

00:20:46.520 this a whole year and a half prior to do the SATs, to get the letters of recommendation from who,

00:20:52.620 by the way, who are they getting these letters of recommendation from? The New York times history

00:20:57.100 teacher. She might look up if she can remember the name. Yeah. And it, as, as hard off as I was,

00:21:03.120 I had a mom who went to college and who had a master's degree and who instilled in me a work ethic

00:21:08.580 and, and I knew, and I went to a good enough school. I went to a charter school in the Upper

00:21:12.820 West Side that I cried my way into. I showed up and, and it was a school that never let kids

00:21:18.680 transfer in. So I got into Yale, by the way, I just, I just cried at the admissions office.

00:21:22.120 Yeah. All right, fine. Yeah. Shut them up. And so I sat down and I sat across from the principal

00:21:26.460 and my aunt, evil as she may have been, actually did help me on this. I sat down across from the

00:21:31.700 principal and I, you know, the mom, you know, like the mom died. Like you use that line. I'm sure you did.

00:21:36.100 I, yeah, you know, it happened. My mother died right after I got into Yale and it was nice that

00:21:42.840 she got to see it. And, uh, but they were so immediately, uh, responsive. It was, it was so

00:21:49.880 the opposite of, uh, of what you were describing of people saying, get out of here, kid. I only take

00:21:54.760 an interest in you if I can take your money. Yeah. So I, am my, one of my favorite Rutgers stories.

00:21:59.540 It's this big, I went to Rutgers and it's big, this big bureaucracy. It's that, that bastion of

00:22:03.780 conservatism, Rutgers University. Yeah. Well, you know what? It made me conservative because

00:22:06.940 it's such a bureaucracy that it makes you conservative. And I actually went to school

00:22:09.980 with James O'Keefe and we were sort of, yeah, that's a whole sidebar, but, um, we, it's a huge

00:22:16.760 sort of, that's, that's the government, but in a, in a small, a microcosm of this. And it, this gets to

00:22:23.120 my theory. You're, you embody two of these theories, which is that people who have had slightly

00:22:29.160 difficult experiences in their life, any of them tend to lean a little bit more right wing.

00:22:33.820 Yeah. All the hysterical Occupy New Haven kids in college, their fathers were all hedge fund

00:22:39.740 managers who had good lives. All the people that were arrested at the Occupy things, they were like

00:22:45.000 in Southbury, Connecticut or something. Of course, Columbia grad students. And then the other is the

00:22:49.400 people who have to interact with the government, people who have to deal with the government in a,

00:22:53.760 in an intimate way, never want big government again in their lives. Yeah. I mean,

00:22:58.180 I remember going down to switch my address for Medicaid. Cause I was on Medicaid. Most of my,

00:23:02.660 until I was 22, I was on Medicaid and I had to just change my address. And when I have private

00:23:08.900 insurance now, I'm an adult and my husband has a job that we have insurance. And when we moved,

00:23:13.740 I called them and I said, this is my new address. This is my, this is how you can confirm. It's me.

00:23:18.960 Here's my, my address and my phone number and my social security number, whatever. And that was it,

00:23:23.520 20 seconds. And on Medicaid, I had to take the train two hours down into Brooklyn and sat there

00:23:30.140 and everyone was on their cell phones playing music for two hours. And people were giving me

00:23:34.760 their babies so they could have a smoke break. And then two hours, they call my number and I go up

00:23:39.880 and, and they changed my address. And it took two hours of sitting in Brooklyn to get that done.

00:23:45.060 And how are you supposed to have a full-time job when you, when that's what it takes?

00:23:48.200 That is your full-time job. That's the way that you figure out how to get resources is gaming this

00:23:53.640 impossible bureaucracy. Now I don't, before we run out of time, I do want to cover this a little bit

00:23:58.020 too. So you, so you don't have an easy life. You got a little bit of a tough life. And then last year,

00:24:03.720 congratulations, the ADL named you one of the 10 biggest recipients of antisemitic hatred on

00:24:10.660 Twitter. Yeah. And that was number one. That's true. A good buddy of ours is number one. And I

00:24:15.940 used to see it. I mean, I would see it in Ben's feed. I would see it in Drew Klavan's feed. I get

00:24:19.720 it a little bit. Even though I guess my Roman nose makes people think that I'm Jewish. But one 1.00

00:24:25.880 interesting aspect of this is most of the vast majority of these came from 1600 Twitter accounts.

00:24:32.120 Yeah. So that's something that nobody talks about. Nobody talks about it. I always assumed

00:24:36.380 having worked a little in political operations, I always assumed it was like five people just

00:24:40.940 sitting there. And I think they were Russian bots. I mean, there, there's been a lot of research

00:24:44.800 into when they were active, what those accounts were doing beforehand. Um, and it frustrates me

00:24:50.580 now. And I say this everywhere. People ask me to talk about it and it's a lot of places. And I say

00:24:55.120 like, it was probably Russians and everyone's like, well, actually the narrative is that America has 0.74

00:25:01.540 been overrun by white supremacists. So if we could not do that part on air, that would be great.

00:25:08.160 And they have Richard Spencer has this conference every year. It attracts 200 people. It attracted

00:25:13.720 200 people five years ago. It's going to attract 200 people this year, maybe 210. Charlottesville was

00:25:18.880 a national protest. Nobody came. It was 200 people.

00:25:21.580 Yeah. And it was licensed place from all around the country.

00:25:24.120 Exactly. It was truly a national protest.

00:25:25.640 Yeah. Yeah. And 200 of the schmuckiest schmuck showed up in, in Charlottesville of the whole

00:25:30.740 country. I mean, granted, I'm not, I'm not denying that there's a white supremacist problem and a 1.00

00:25:34.680 Sure. They're always racist. 0.93

00:25:36.360 Yeah. There's always racist. There's always anti-Semites, but now it's convenient to notice 0.55

00:25:41.920 these things. And it's really frustrating as a Jewish person because whenever there's a vandalism

00:25:46.980 incident now, it's national news. And I'm sorry, if you pay attention to the data, Jews have always 1.00

00:25:54.080 been the number one recipient of hate crimes and it's usually vandalism, but no one wanted to talk

00:25:58.760 about that. Well, because we didn't have, dear leader, wasn't the president then. It wasn't.

00:26:03.180 And I'm by the way saying this as a never Trumper.

00:26:05.180 That's right. You were a never Trumper. That's right.

00:26:07.260 I was never a fan of, of president Trump. I'm still not terribly fangirl about him, but you have to be,

00:26:14.300 I'll convince you all for later. But you have to be intellectually honest about, about it. And no

00:26:19.780 one is. It's either, this is the narrative and can you please stick to it? Or you're Trumpian and

00:26:26.160 there's no in between. And you published this great piece that did go viral about how we need

00:26:31.140 to befriend Nazis. Yeah. About how the answer. And I became a Nazi, by the way. That's right. 0.88

00:26:35.520 Yeah. I forgot a Jewish Nazi. Yeah. Yeah. Congratulations. Thank you. That's an accomplishment. 0.92

00:26:39.220 It was actually. It's, I, um, yeah. But I love your approach because especially in this insanely

00:26:46.080 polarized political soundbite shallow time, the only way to accomplish anything is to

00:26:53.460 take people seriously and take their arguments seriously. Yeah. I mean, and we don't necessarily

00:26:57.600 have to all be friends. Right. We can, absolutely. Disagreement is a lovely thing. Yeah. But they're,

00:27:03.220 they're, I mean, not nearly as much with white supremacists as much and neo-Nazis, but people

00:27:09.120 can't even have a conversation. Like I've lost friends on both sides of the spectrum. I've lost

00:27:14.360 friends because I am a Trumpian now. And I've lost friends because I'm a snowflake, liberal now.

00:27:20.620 It's because everybody's a Nazi, right? Yeah. 0.69

00:27:22.620 When everybody's a Nazi, then nobody's a Nazi. Exactly.

00:27:25.020 And that's what I read. I don't know if I was reading too deeply into the headline on your piece,

00:27:28.540 but I read it as, as on the one hand saying we should talk to these 20 people who are insane 0.96

00:27:34.200 Nazis. And try to change their hearts. Yeah. But on the other side, 0.99

00:27:37.660 we think that everybody who disagrees with us is a Nazi. Yeah. There's that meme that it says,

00:27:43.160 how to argue on the internet. Everyone I disagree with is a Nazi. Yeah. And so if you think someone's 0.63

00:27:47.080 a Nazi, maybe speak to them. Yeah. Understand what they have to say. Well, my previous column for the 0.76

00:27:51.860 week before, which is like part of people just read the two headlines. And my headline for the last

00:27:58.140 week was don't try to out Nazis because your rights depend on theirs. And it's not just sort

00:28:03.940 of your free speech rights and everyone with every, every disgusting person has a right to speech as

00:28:09.400 long as it's not violent, but it's also, and I also said that as conservatives, we are constantly

00:28:15.340 called Nazis and I'm, I don't support destroying people's lives for being Nazis because your definition

00:28:23.440 of Nazi is really fricking broad. That's right. And I wrote this column and of course, nobody read it 0.81

00:28:28.480 because everyone only reads the headlines. And so people read that and then read the, we should be

00:28:32.700 friendly on Nazis thing. And, and I've spent two weeks being called a Nazi on Twitter. And I was

00:28:37.700 like, you're actually proving my point. If you read the column, which certainly they didn't. And I will

00:28:43.240 say you're one of the loveliest Nazis I've ever met. Thank you. Now in typical Michael Knowles show 0.74

00:28:47.920 fashion, we need to bring on more women. We do not have enough women on the show right now. 1.00

00:28:52.060 So we need to bring on the one and only roaming millennial and Cassie Dillon are both here for 1.00

00:28:57.500 the panel of deplorables. Ladies, thank you for coming on. Hi, thanks for having us. So we now we

00:29:04.380 need to talk. We've been, uh, speaking at length, but let's go back to North Korea. Um, oh, actually,

00:29:12.120 you know what? First, actually, I want to get to that, but I don't want to get to it yet. I first want

00:29:16.880 to talk about all these kids because especially once you bring women on your show, you just need to 1.00

00:29:20.940 start talking about families or obviously we're, we're, uh, all going to be sister wives at some

00:29:25.540 point, uh, as the nurturing bearers of life and the hands that rock the cradle, which will rule the

00:29:30.720 world is homeschooling the way that conservatives should go. We, I know that, I know that you

00:29:36.380 homeschool your kids, Bethany, a lot of conservatives are doing it. Now there are these crazy stories

00:29:41.600 coming out of public schools. What, what are your thoughts? Uh, roaming?

00:29:45.100 Well, I actually, I wasn't necessarily homeschooled, but, uh, my later years of high school,

00:29:51.520 when I was about 14 to 16, I did independent study. So my parents weren't teaching me. I was doing

00:29:58.140 distance classes through a university, but it kind of amounted to the same thing. I wasn't actually

00:30:02.380 going to a school. And for the longest time, before I even had a concept of what conservatism was,

00:30:08.100 or before I was politically involved, I've always known that I wanted to homeschool my children.

00:30:13.600 And that's just my experiences from public schools, just being in that situation. I, I've known from

00:30:20.300 a young age that that is not what I want my children to have. And for me, it's a question

00:30:24.980 of not whether I'm going to homeschool my children, but how early I'm going to start, because I really

00:30:29.920 do want to homeschool them because I think it will be a better environment. And it's not only safer

00:30:34.700 in terms of values I can teach them, but also more academically challenging. However, I don't want

00:30:39.520 them to end up weird. Of course, that is a struggle. Cassie, are you with roaming? Are you

00:30:45.140 going to homeschool your kids? Well, I went to a public school and then after high school and

00:30:51.560 actually during high school as well, I worked at an afterschool program. And I think that the program

00:30:55.700 I worked at, it was private, but it was public school children. I think they really benefited from

00:31:01.160 being around other children. So maybe I would homeschool my children as long as there were enough

00:31:06.240 opportunities in the place I'm living for them to interact with other students, because obviously

00:31:11.720 I don't want them to end up weird. That is true. You need them to be socialized, do strange stuff

00:31:14.860 underneath the bleachers. All of that. I went to public school too. Roaming, I cut you off. I'm sorry.

00:31:20.540 No, yeah, that socialization is so important. And, you know, if there's one downside to homeschooling,

00:31:26.780 it's that. Bethany, you're, you're actually doing it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, my oldest is four,

00:31:32.760 so we're just sort of, it's play based now, but yeah, I mean, I, you can be social. There's lots

00:31:39.200 of social things to do when you're homeschooling, but I see, especially the transgender stuff these 1.00

00:31:44.220 days. And I also just see that the education is really crappy in, in schools and there it's not

00:31:49.780 evidence-based. Um, we, we know from research that kids perform better if they start learning how to

00:31:57.260 read later. And instead we're teaching kindergartners how to read instead of first graders. And we just keep

00:32:02.320 pushing all of those academics on earlier and earlier. Um, and so my kids are home and they're

00:32:07.400 playing and that's how they're learning. And my kids are brilliant. I'm just going to say it.

00:32:12.060 And you're saying that as, as their teacher and their mother, there seems there might be a conflict

00:32:15.660 here, but I don't know. Yeah. I know them better than anyone else. And I care about them more than

00:32:20.540 anyone else. So their education is every, like, that's what I live for. And they're, I mean,

00:32:26.140 teachers are lovely and I know many of them, but my kids aren't the most important things in their

00:32:31.160 lives than they shouldn't be, but they are to me. Absolutely. Okay. We need to say goodbye to

00:32:37.540 Facebook and YouTube. I know you're saying, Michael, the ladies just got here. Too bad guys. 0.99

00:32:42.120 You have to go to the dailywire.com right now. You need to pay $10 a month or $100 a year and

00:32:49.060 you'll get everything. You'll get my show. You'll get the Andrew Klavan show. You'll get the Ben

00:32:52.680 Shapiro show. I don't have one on me right now, but you will get the leftist tears, tumbler,

00:32:58.480 the finest receptacle for drinking anything in the country, but especially delicious salty

00:33:04.300 leftist tears. You can serve them hot or cold. They're always delicious. Go over there right

00:33:09.000 now. You get the rest. We have so much more to talk about. Dailywire.com. We'll be right back.

00:33:12.720 Okay. Following North Korea's sixth nuclear test in recent weeks, President Trump has given the go

00:33:30.040 ahead for Japan and South Korea to buy a quote, substantially increased amount of military equipment

00:33:36.080 from the United States. And here is President Trump explaining his decision.

00:33:41.320 A, B, C. A, always B, B, C closing. Always be closing. Always be closing.

00:33:51.620 Talk about the art of the deal. North Korea sets off nukes and Donald Trump sells them more of our

00:33:57.140 military equipment. Well done, sir. Well done. Roaming, we have been asking this question for weeks now.

00:34:02.400 Are we heading for war? You know, I would love to say no, but it's kind of getting increasingly

00:34:08.620 higher to support that. I was just looking online and I saw Nikki Haley speaking about the UN. She

00:34:13.980 was in a statement saying the U.S. doesn't want war, but at the same time, we can't be expected to have

00:34:19.680 unlimited patience when it comes to North Korea. And I'm just not very optimistic at this point. I'm

00:34:25.280 hoping that it doesn't, you know, escalate into all-out war or the West Coast being bombed, especially not

00:34:31.460 with you guys over there. But it would be nice to survive. I'd love it. Right. Yeah. Especially,

00:34:36.280 I mean, I hear there's a dog at the studio. So that, I think, yeah, I'm not very optimistic about

00:34:44.640 it not leading to some sort of military confrontation. And Cassie, the United States

00:34:48.660 is so politically divided. It is so polarized. I haven't seen it since the last time the Soar

00:34:53.940 Loser Democrats didn't win an election in 2000. It is as bad as that was. Can we even effectively

00:35:00.220 wage a war together right now? If there were a real threat like a nuclear North Korea,

00:35:04.240 are we too divided to fight it?

00:35:08.500 Well, I don't necessarily think there's going to be a war. But if there were to be a war,

00:35:12.920 I think it would be the only thing that could bring people together. And even then, I'm not

00:35:17.680 optimistic at all. People are coming out insulting Donald Trump for being against Kim Jong-un. I think

00:35:23.600 they called Trump, they put him on the same level and called him a dictator fascist.

00:35:27.280 Mango Mussolini is one of the terms. I don't like it, but it is funny. 1.00

00:35:32.780 You guys were talking about death camps earlier, and then you have them comparing it to our

00:35:36.200 president of a democratic nation. But still, insane. 0.51

00:35:40.000 Ladies, I bring you on to cheer me up. And all you do is make me fear for my imminent nuclear 1.00

00:35:44.740 death. Bethany, you know a little bit about North Korea. You've been working in these charitable

00:35:49.920 ways for a while. The problem just keeps festering. We've had this issue for 25 years now,

00:35:55.300 three or four presidential administrations. Do we need regime change now?

00:36:02.820 So the scary part about regime change is there's really no winning North Korea,

00:36:06.580 which is the scary, sorry, depressing. All right. Well, I'll see you later, guys.

00:36:11.040 But there's going to be roaming nukes. If there's a power vacuum, anyone can swoop in and grab those

00:36:18.180 nukes. That was roaming's band in high school, by the way. Roaming nukes. Yeah, they were so cool.

00:36:22.520 They painted their fingernails black and everything. I'm sorry, I cut you off.

00:36:25.100 It's really goth. And it is really goth. It's a really goth moment in international affairs.

00:36:32.020 Yeah. So, I mean, there's the roaming nukes, or you have a situation where it's just the

00:36:37.200 continuation of the situation that we have now, in which they can blackmail us continually forever.

00:36:42.200 And there's, again, these death camps where millions of people have died over the course of

00:36:47.340 the regime, over three generations of Kims. And it's disgusting. And I mean, honestly, 1.00

00:36:53.560 now we're at a point where can we go in there and change things? That moment might have already

00:36:59.240 passed. You think it's passed militarily or you think it's passed because culturally they're so

00:37:04.820 embedded, both of them? Because I just think, why can't we go kill the guy? 0.99

00:37:07.640 I mean, there is a moral, and this is something that makes me such a neocon. We have a moral 0.97

00:37:12.740 imperative to stop mass death. I just, I think it's, and the only time America has ever done that

00:37:18.700 was Bill Clinton in Bosnia. We let Rwanda happen. We let Cambodia happen. We've let North Korea happen 0.99

00:37:24.080 for decades now. And we certainly let the Holocaust happen. At what point do we, as the better people 0.98

00:37:31.980 in the world say, this is not, this is not an acceptable situation. There can't be death camps.

00:37:36.240 There can't be mass starvation like there has been in every continent.

00:37:40.240 And on the flip side, are Americans willing to sacrifice their own lives to liberate North Korea?

00:37:46.440 I don't know. I don't know if we're there after 15 years of war. There is that political,

00:37:50.860 so there's the cultural and the military issue and then the political issue here at home.

00:37:54.600 Yeah. I mean, and I, I would like to think that America is, we're, we're made of better people than

00:38:00.340 that. And I would like to think that my sons would go over there and say, you know what,

00:38:05.440 this is, this is something worth fighting and dying for the liberty and life of people who are

00:38:10.300 trapped in these camps and trapped in this authoritarian regime in darkness. That's worth

00:38:16.140 fighting for. And we don't seem to leave that. And that's really sad.

00:38:19.540 You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. And speaking of dreamers,

00:38:23.100 they are the top news today. President Trump announced his decision on President Obama's

00:38:28.100 executive amnesty program, DACA, which spells the deportation of the so-called dreamers,

00:38:33.660 the illegal immigrants who entered the United States as children or under 18.

00:38:38.260 President Obama unconstitutionally gave them de facto amnesty. And now it looks like that is going

00:38:44.600 away. Bethany, there are 800,000 of these people in the United States. Are we really going to

00:38:50.300 deport all of them? Or is that this is a bargaining chip for Trump? Basically, it's a bargaining chip

00:38:53.980 for Trump. And the frustrating part about this car, I really am going, sounding like such a

00:38:58.000 Trumper, but it's really about the vibe and the Michael Noles studio brings it out.

00:39:03.200 I mean, I just feel like someone should be saying these things. And if no one is going to be,

00:39:07.800 is no, if no one is going to do this, then I guess I'm stuck being the one doing it and I'm not

00:39:11.240 happy about it. But this was an unconstitutional program that President Obama set up and then got

00:39:19.260 all of their names and all of their addresses. He set this up. It was ever thus. What else was

00:39:26.520 going to happen? What did you want? Every ounce of blame, it goes with him on this. Because for all

00:39:32.120 of the other bad things it does, it incentivizes more illegal immigration. During that process,

00:39:37.340 by the way, 80% of women and girls are raped. 60 to 80%, depending on the study.

00:39:42.720 But they're feminists. 1.00

00:39:43.620 But they're feminists. They're looking out for, we're waging the war on women. 1.00

00:39:47.260 But there's that. And then it's a simple issue. The program is unconstitutional.

00:39:51.840 Yeah. And it should have gone through Congress. And Obama himself actually said that. But when

00:39:56.460 Congress didn't want to act, he decided, you know what? I'm just going to do this myself.

00:39:59.760 And, you know, I don't think that Trump might be going about this the right way, but he was dealt 0.99

00:40:06.640 a crap card. And no one in the media and no one in this sort of immigration world is really being 0.92

00:40:14.460 honest about that. And Americans recognize that. And this is how you got Trump. They're all very

00:40:20.080 confused about it.

00:40:20.720 That's exactly right. It's like that little meme on Twitter. It says, like, this is why I was elected

00:40:25.220 and it's Trump pointing up. Yeah. So, Romain, if President Art of the deal is just negotiating

00:40:30.460 here and he offers, say, to go a little easier on the Dreamers in exchange for something like

00:40:36.260 the wall, would the Democrats take it? I don't think so. Right now, I don't think

00:40:41.620 they're in a place to negotiate. I mean, if you think about this from the Democrats' perspective,

00:40:46.080 anything to do with Dreamers is unpopular, right? I mean, Trump is kind of in a no-win situation.

00:40:50.440 So, you know, with that, if he does offer a bargain, well, guess what else is kind of

00:40:56.720 unpopular at the wall? So if Trump ends up taking away DACA and trying to build a wall,

00:41:02.180 well, that's just kind of them in a better position, at least in their base, for the next

00:41:05.780 election. So, I mean, I hate to sound cynical, but if I were a Democrat, I'd be, I'd stick to

00:41:10.500 myself, yeah, let's see how much Trump can do to upset anyone on the left and we'll lose

00:41:16.440 when it comes to an intern. I'm sorry. I'm still getting over Roaming Millennial saying

00:41:20.600 if I were a Democrat. I can't. It is just so unfathomable. We now need to move on again.

00:41:25.500 A teacher, this is the most important news of all. It's my favorite story. A teacher at Georgia's

00:41:30.200 River Ridge High School recently made two of her students leave her classroom. The crime,

00:41:36.500 they were wearing Make America Great Again t-shirts. Not only were they wearing t-shirts supporting

00:41:41.120 the current president, they were wearing shirts that simply said, Make America Great Again.

00:41:45.220 And the kicker, of course, is that that teacher has yet to be disciplined.

00:41:49.680 Roaming, public teacher unions are among the strongest political entities in the country.

00:41:54.040 Actually, not terribly strong in Georgia, but around the country where Bethany and I come from,

00:41:58.580 they're the most important political force that exists. They're also inherently corrupt because

00:42:04.260 public unions are just the government negotiating with the government. Samuel Gompers opposed them,

00:42:09.140 FDR opposed them. Is there any argument not to decertify these unions? How do we get rid of

00:42:15.000 these, this inherently corrupt process? Well, I think there are a ton of reasons to not

00:42:20.600 decertify them if you are part of the union, right? I'm not even saying, you know, if you're a teacher,

00:42:26.940 that's part of it. Because I've spoken to some teachers, and actually my father used to be

00:42:30.880 a professor at a SAJEC, which is the kind of college in Quebec. And there are actually quite a few

00:42:36.620 teachers who aren't necessarily in favor of having to pay union dues and feeling like the union doesn't

00:42:40.860 really represent themselves, just the union leaders. But it's, it's hard because like you said,

00:42:47.020 it's, they're bargaining themselves, right? It's public sector unions, they're unionized against

00:42:52.100 taxpayers. And so, you know, we should have some states on the right to work legislation. I think

00:42:57.380 France is one of them. And there's always a, it's always a fuss made by the union supporters. But at the

00:43:04.320 end of the day, it's better for workers. It's what's better for us as taxpayers. I think, you know,

00:43:09.180 hopefully we just need some governors in there who are willing to bite the bullet and do what may

00:43:12.840 be unpopular in the short term, but will be better in the long term. Cassie, you're a product of public

00:43:17.580 school, as am I. These public teachers, as is Bethany, these public teacher unions are, we just

00:43:24.220 drag them through the mud. We drag them through just like the, we drag the media. Are they getting

00:43:28.940 short shrift or are they really as bad as we all say that they are? I honestly think they're pretty

00:43:35.940 bad. Look what happened in Wisconsin. What Scott Walker did was amazing. Things are doing a lot

00:43:42.600 better in there. Their test scores are up. I think what's going on right now are these unions are

00:43:47.240 trying to stay relevant, which is what the left is doing. Every single political institution that

00:43:51.740 is liberal is trying to stay relevant. And by doing this, they're creating all this outrage and trying

00:43:57.440 to somehow grab power because they lost all the power. We have all the governorships, we have all the

00:44:01.920 state legislators, we have the majority of everything. And so I think they're going to kick it and try not to

00:44:07.800 drown. Fair enough. Bethany, I think everybody has convinced me. Someday when I have a little brood,

00:44:13.940 an army of Knowleses, will you be one of their homeschool teachers? No, but I will talk to your

00:44:19.800 wife about my curriculum of choice. That's fair enough. We can have a meeting of the broods. I don't need you

00:44:24.660 around my house. The mini Michaels, I don't need that. Just the little Michaels all running around

00:44:28.740 smoking cigars. And yeah, you don't, it would be a lot to handle. Okay. We have got to go now. My wonderful

00:44:34.600 all-female panel of deplorables, thank you for being here. Roaming Millennial, Cassie Dillon, and our 0.75

00:44:40.060 in-studio guest, Bethany Mandel. Thanks for having me. This is The Michael Knowles Show. I'm Michael

00:44:43.800 Knowles. Come back tomorrow and we will do it all again.

00:44:54.660 The Michael Knowles Show.

00:45:24.660 That's BollandBranch, B-O-L-L-A-N-D, branch.com slash dailywire to save 20% off

00:45:30.500 and unlock free shipping. Limited time only, exclusions do apply.

The Michael Knowles Show - September 05, 2017

Ep. 21 - Bethany Mandel： North Korea, Bad Government, and Babies

Episode Stats

Summary

Transcript