The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 22 - Everything You've Always Wanted To Know About Ben Shapiro (But Were Too Afraid To Ask)

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00:00:30.640 On today's episode, which is the same backward as it is forward,

00:00:34.640 we are joined by the big boss himself,

00:00:37.120 the slayer of leftist arguments,

00:00:39.420 the repository of data,

00:00:41.220 the firer of Piers Morgan,

00:00:43.160 the one and only Ben Shapiro.

00:00:45.360 Then, roaming millennial Jacob Erie and Amanda Prestigiacomo

00:00:48.560 join the panel of deplorables

00:00:50.120 to discuss Hillary's latest,

00:00:52.320 buck stops everywhere but here finger-pointing,

00:00:54.320 Facebook's claiming to have more data than the U.S. Census,

00:00:57.460 and the latest minority in America.

00:01:00.180 White Christians can't wait for my affirmative action. 0.99

00:01:02.900 I am Michael Knowles.

00:01:03.740 This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:04.720 There is plenty that we could talk about today.

00:01:14.520 There's so much news.

00:01:15.860 There's the DACA stuff.

00:01:17.340 There's always the latest Trump shenanigans,

00:01:19.200 and I don't want to talk about any of it

00:01:20.760 because we are joined in studio,

00:01:22.820 in the broom closet of the Ben Shapiro Show,

00:01:25.780 by the one and only Ben Shapiro.

00:01:27.460 God help us, man.

00:01:28.200 Ben, I want to go back to the very beginning.

00:01:32.820 I want to go all the way through.

00:01:34.660 I want everything that you've always wanted to know

00:01:36.700 about Ben Shapiro,

00:01:37.440 but we're too afraid to ask.

00:01:39.000 And so, to start at the very beginning,

00:01:41.360 I think we need to begin with this clip.

00:01:43.980 Ladies and gentlemen, Benjamin Shapiro.

00:01:46.200 I'm sorry, it's just so beautiful.

00:02:16.200 Thank you.

00:02:17.040 To watch that.

00:02:18.240 For those who weren't watching,

00:02:20.160 that would be, what, six or seven-year-old Ben Shapiro?

00:02:23.400 No, no, no, I was little, man.

00:02:24.560 I was like 11 or 12.

00:02:27.000 That was, there's an 11 or 12-year-old Ben Shapiro

00:02:29.780 playing violin, playing Fiddler on the Roof

00:02:33.040 over sobbing Democrats.

00:02:34.740 Schindler's List, technically, yeah.

00:02:35.980 That's right.

00:02:36.660 Schindler's List, perfect.

00:02:37.740 The Holocaust movie's perfect, yeah. 1.00

00:02:39.340 Over these sobbing Democrats.

00:02:41.460 Really beautiful stuff, really hard.

00:02:42.860 Thank you, I appreciate it.

00:02:43.800 So, in there, you're as little as you can be.

00:02:47.400 You've always been a conservative.

00:02:48.960 You popped out of the womb a conservative.

00:02:50.500 Yes.

00:02:51.180 I was never a neocon, right?

00:02:53.260 Except that I'm Jewish.

00:02:53.980 But aside from that.

00:02:54.820 I thought neocon just means Jew.

00:02:56.160 That's what I thought as well,

00:02:57.160 but it turns out not.

00:02:58.140 So I was never on the left.

00:02:59.700 I was always very conservative.

00:03:01.580 I mean, I had my syndicated column

00:03:02.740 on conservative politics when I was 17.

00:03:05.360 I started UCLA when I was 16,

00:03:07.380 and the first thing that...

00:03:09.020 I thought I was going to major in biology and music

00:03:11.000 because of that.

00:03:12.180 And then I walked on...

00:03:13.340 Because of the tiers to study.

00:03:14.320 Yeah, exactly.

00:03:14.620 The tiers going, that's a good combination.

00:03:16.260 And then I saw a newspaper on campus.

00:03:19.020 I opened it up.

00:03:19.540 There was an editorial comparing Ariel Sharon,

00:03:21.080 the prime minister of Israel,

00:03:21.900 to Adolf Eichmann, the Nazi.

00:03:23.200 So I walked into the office of the Daily Bruin,

00:03:24.920 and I said,

00:03:25.220 I'd like to write a piece rebutting that.

00:03:27.020 And they said, sure.

00:03:28.340 And so that turned into me doing

00:03:29.980 a point-counterpoint column

00:03:31.000 and then a regular column,

00:03:32.040 and then I sort of applied cold

00:03:33.360 to Creator Syndicate,

00:03:34.520 which syndicated at the time,

00:03:36.140 like Molly Ivins on the left 1.00

00:03:37.200 and David Limbaugh and Michelle Malkin on the right.

00:03:38.980 And they called me back like three weeks later

00:03:41.120 and said they wanted to do

00:03:42.120 a weekly column with me.

00:03:43.340 They didn't actually know how old I was.

00:03:44.640 So they were surprised that my parents

00:03:45.560 had to sign the contract

00:03:46.440 because I was underage.

00:03:47.400 Wow.

00:03:47.840 So that was cool.

00:03:48.720 So what is...

00:03:49.660 You come out of the womb 1.00

00:03:50.780 playing for Larry King

00:03:52.140 and making leftists cry.

00:03:54.100 What are the primary influences

00:03:56.160 on your politics?

00:03:56.940 Obviously, I know your family.

00:03:58.340 There are not a lot of Democrats there.

00:03:59.940 That's right.

00:04:00.540 Is it some...

00:04:01.920 Is it mostly the family?

00:04:03.440 Is it reading you did?

00:04:05.080 Is it just a disposition that you have?

00:04:07.740 So I do think that there is

00:04:09.480 something dispositional.

00:04:10.540 I mean, I'm by nature a pessimist,

00:04:12.000 but I think that...

00:04:13.920 My parents obviously played

00:04:16.240 a very heavy role in my politics,

00:04:18.560 particularly social politics,

00:04:19.800 but as far as economics,

00:04:22.720 that's just reading.

00:04:24.280 That's self-education.

00:04:25.500 And foreign policy,

00:04:27.820 I was always very hawkish.

00:04:28.960 But I think it really is

00:04:29.780 that I have a very moralistic streak

00:04:31.100 and it's very difficult

00:04:31.720 to be a lefty

00:04:32.380 and have a strong moralistic streak,

00:04:34.320 a belief in personal responsibility.

00:04:36.060 When you think about

00:04:36.360 sort of deep beliefs,

00:04:37.580 that's sort of the root

00:04:39.040 of my entire philosophy,

00:04:40.380 rests on personal accountability

00:04:41.880 and responsibility.

00:04:43.100 Very difficult to be

00:04:43.940 a member of the left

00:04:44.500 and believe that

00:04:45.420 that is the core of your goal,

00:04:47.280 is to be personally responsible

00:04:48.680 for your own conduct.

00:04:49.340 And you bring up a key phrase,

00:04:51.040 which is self-teaching.

00:04:52.460 Yes.

00:04:52.660 Because presumably,

00:04:53.600 you're not reading Hayek

00:04:54.580 in high school

00:04:55.680 or any of these other thinkers.

00:04:57.780 Right.

00:04:58.100 Who are...

00:04:59.160 Same thing for me,

00:05:00.060 same thing for most conservatives

00:05:00.980 I know,

00:05:01.580 is we got reading lists

00:05:03.180 outside of regular curriculum.

00:05:05.360 Who are the readers

00:05:06.240 that most...

00:05:07.280 Or the writers, rather,

00:05:08.300 who most affected your thinking?

00:05:09.940 So on economics,

00:05:11.400 the number one book

00:05:12.520 I always recommend,

00:05:13.280 and it's great for high school students,

00:05:14.380 is Henry Hazlitt's

00:05:15.160 Economics in One Lesson.

00:05:16.080 That's great.

00:05:16.380 It's just a beautifully short read.

00:05:17.880 It's like 170 pages

00:05:18.880 and very well written

00:05:19.800 and very clear.

00:05:20.840 And then Sowell on economics

00:05:22.220 and then Sowell on issues

00:05:23.940 of general cosmic significance.

00:05:26.500 I mean,

00:05:26.620 The Quest for Cosmic Justice

00:05:27.460 is an excellent book.

00:05:28.540 So Sowell's thinking.

00:05:30.100 I think later Hayek

00:05:31.220 and some more sophisticated writers.

00:05:34.900 But those were the earliest iterations.

00:05:37.720 But it depends topic by topic.

00:05:39.500 So those are mostly economic,

00:05:41.100 although Sowell writes about everything.

00:05:42.700 Right, exactly.

00:05:44.080 What about on...

00:05:45.220 political philosophy writ large?

00:05:48.800 You know,

00:05:49.140 the Russell Kirk,

00:05:50.580 Edmund Burke,

00:05:51.120 that whole crew.

00:05:51.600 Yeah, so I'm actually not

00:05:52.540 a huge Russell Kirk fan,

00:05:54.240 believe it or not.

00:05:54.760 I think conservative mind

00:05:55.520 is more dispositional

00:05:56.460 than it is positional.

00:05:58.980 Meaning that it is...

00:06:00.100 It's more about

00:06:00.760 your disposition toward politics

00:06:02.600 and you sort of want

00:06:03.460 to keep things where they are

00:06:04.520 as opposed to change.

00:06:06.220 It's very Burke-ian.

00:06:07.380 I mean, obviously,

00:06:07.840 Kirk based his work on Burke.

00:06:09.720 Mostly because they rhymed.

00:06:10.780 Yeah, exactly.

00:06:11.180 Few people know that.

00:06:12.060 I'm less a Burke-ian guy

00:06:13.840 than I am

00:06:14.400 a revolutionary theorist guy.

00:06:17.300 So Burke is much more

00:06:18.500 of a conservative case

00:06:19.200 against the French Revolution

00:06:20.200 and I'm much more in line

00:06:22.280 with sort of

00:06:22.920 Locke-ian political philosophy.

00:06:24.780 And Burke was sort of

00:06:26.180 lukewarm on that

00:06:27.820 as opposed to being

00:06:29.100 a thoroughgoing Locke-ian.

00:06:30.960 That is interesting.

00:06:32.500 There was this book

00:06:33.420 by Yuval Levin

00:06:34.300 comparing Burke and Payne.

00:06:36.840 And the answer

00:06:37.640 for any American conservative

00:06:38.900 is you have a little bit of both.

00:06:40.680 Right, exactly.

00:06:41.440 Locke is sort of halfway

00:06:42.080 in between those two.

00:06:43.340 And that's where the founders,

00:06:44.840 I think, lived.

00:06:45.820 I think it's where

00:06:46.120 they spend most of their time

00:06:46.860 with Locke and Montesquieu.

00:06:48.220 And Burke was a little bit later

00:06:49.200 and Payne was considered radical

00:06:50.940 by most of the founders.

00:06:52.340 So that's,

00:06:53.340 in terms of political philosophy,

00:06:55.180 that's where I started.

00:06:56.560 And if you want to show

00:06:57.600 your kids a movie

00:06:58.100 that will actually get you

00:06:58.880 in that mode,

00:06:59.440 then watch 1776.

00:07:00.720 Great movie about

00:07:01.560 founding philosophy

00:07:02.360 where they actually discuss

00:07:03.720 these sorts of ideas

00:07:04.500 and enshrine them.

00:07:05.540 So you're young,

00:07:08.240 you know what you think,

00:07:09.080 you're super smart

00:07:10.260 at this young age,

00:07:11.180 you're playing for Larry King,

00:07:12.320 you're doing all these things.

00:07:13.620 How do you survive

00:07:14.840 on two levels?

00:07:16.500 One, just interpersonally,

00:07:18.460 you're clearly ahead

00:07:19.940 of your classmates,

00:07:21.860 let's say.

00:07:22.580 And then in this culture,

00:07:25.260 in a culture that

00:07:26.200 perhaps does not encourage

00:07:28.060 the sort of thinking

00:07:28.880 that you have

00:07:29.620 and the sort of activities

00:07:30.640 that you pursue

00:07:31.360 and the religiosity

00:07:32.460 that you have.

00:07:32.960 So I think that there are

00:07:33.940 a few things

00:07:34.640 that play into that.

00:07:35.500 The first is that

00:07:36.080 I had to grow a thick skin

00:07:37.460 pretty young

00:07:38.040 because being orthodox,

00:07:40.200 being a lot smaller

00:07:40.720 than everybody

00:07:41.080 because I was a lot younger

00:07:41.880 and smaller than everybody.

00:07:43.720 And I was in

00:07:45.180 and out of public school.

00:07:45.920 So it wasn't like

00:07:46.300 I went to private school

00:07:47.100 my entire life.

00:07:48.160 I spent all the way

00:07:49.460 through fourth grade

00:07:50.000 in public school

00:07:50.700 in seventh and eighth grade.

00:07:53.080 I was in public school

00:07:54.160 and then I was in private school

00:07:55.420 for high school.

00:07:56.360 But when I was in

00:07:57.180 seventh and eighth grade,

00:07:57.840 particularly,

00:07:58.520 that was a time

00:07:58.960 when my parents

00:07:59.380 had already become orthodox

00:08:00.300 and we were already orthodox

00:08:01.540 and I was a lot shorter

00:08:02.760 than everybody else.

00:08:03.500 Were you always orthodox?

00:08:04.480 No.

00:08:05.000 My parents became

00:08:05.840 fully orthodox

00:08:06.420 when I was like 11.

00:08:07.320 So I remember eating at KFC.

00:08:08.720 Oh.

00:08:09.360 And yeah.

00:08:10.540 That's the thorn in your side

00:08:11.780 that St. Paul would write about.

00:08:13.320 That's gotta be tough.

00:08:13.700 The kosher eating is difficult.

00:08:15.420 I mean,

00:08:15.660 I can't tell you

00:08:16.520 how many great restaurants

00:08:17.260 I've gone to

00:08:17.660 and just looked at the food.

00:08:19.200 It happens all the time now.

00:08:21.080 And like I went to dinner

00:08:22.080 at somebody's house

00:08:23.780 the other night

00:08:24.280 and this is a very,

00:08:25.220 very wealthy person.

00:08:25.980 They had their own chef

00:08:26.660 in their house

00:08:27.160 and I said,

00:08:28.240 well, I can't eat any of your food

00:08:29.080 and we're gonna pick up dinner beforehand

00:08:30.020 so they're eating

00:08:30.660 like some filet mignon

00:08:31.780 and I bought like a burger

00:08:33.200 from the local kosher stand

00:08:34.420 meeting on a paper plate

00:08:35.300 at their house.

00:08:36.260 So there's some of that

00:08:37.080 but I was shorter than everybody

00:08:40.960 in middle school

00:08:41.920 which some of them would say

00:08:43.140 that hasn't changed.

00:08:44.720 That's Twitter.

00:08:45.680 Twitter, what do you think?

00:08:46.400 That's exactly right.

00:08:47.060 We're sitting down.

00:08:47.540 We're not gonna stand up.

00:08:48.340 Four foot three.

00:08:49.480 And so that started,

00:08:52.440 I was bullied a little bit

00:08:53.980 in public school.

00:08:54.560 I was actually relentlessly

00:08:55.340 bullied in high school

00:08:55.920 because I had skipped two grades

00:08:56.900 so I was now much younger

00:08:58.160 than all the other kids

00:08:58.960 and so I was brutally bullied

00:09:00.180 in high school

00:09:00.600 and you can react one of two ways.

00:09:02.220 You can either sort of

00:09:02.700 crawl into your shell 0.92

00:09:03.420 or you can basically say F you.

00:09:06.140 Yeah, you did not crawl

00:09:06.960 into your shell.

00:09:07.480 Yeah, exactly

00:09:07.840 and grow a thick skin

00:09:08.900 and so I think it was actually

00:09:10.320 a good testing ground

00:09:12.360 for growing a thick skin

00:09:13.140 because in this business

00:09:13.920 you better have a thick skin

00:09:14.900 and so by the time

00:09:15.380 I got to college,

00:09:16.040 this was cake.

00:09:16.600 I mean, I was treated better

00:09:17.260 in college than I was

00:09:17.960 in high school.

00:09:18.980 You know, like I was

00:09:19.540 regularly physically abused

00:09:21.840 in high school

00:09:22.480 so once you got to college

00:09:24.420 it was like,

00:09:25.580 wow, everybody's leaving me alone

00:09:26.540 and we can actually

00:09:27.120 talk about things.

00:09:27.780 This is nice.

00:09:28.340 I kind of like this.

00:09:28.860 You're beaten up

00:09:29.240 much less frequently

00:09:30.360 when you're in

00:09:31.040 a university setting.

00:09:32.600 Exactly.

00:09:33.120 So not without occasion.

00:09:34.840 Yeah, well now I have to risk it

00:09:36.360 more than I did

00:09:36.820 when I was in college

00:09:37.460 but yeah, that's exactly right.

00:09:39.240 Now, it's interesting

00:09:40.440 to bring up the religiosity,

00:09:41.840 the conversion to orthodoxy

00:09:43.320 for your family

00:09:43.920 because I think

00:09:45.200 there's a prevailing ethos

00:09:47.320 that religious people 1.00

00:09:48.480 are a little stupider 1.00

00:09:49.920 or naive 1.00

00:09:50.640 or unthoughtful

00:09:52.240 or intentionally unthoughtful.

00:09:54.720 In my own experience,

00:09:56.700 I find people

00:09:57.900 who are not educated

00:09:59.040 or necessarily intelligent

00:10:00.540 can be quite religious

00:10:01.780 and I've found

00:10:03.020 that people

00:10:03.580 who are extraordinarily

00:10:05.020 intelligent or educated

00:10:06.660 can be quite religious

00:10:07.880 and often are

00:10:08.640 and then there's

00:10:09.500 this middle ground

00:10:10.160 of total atheism.

00:10:11.460 Yeah, I think that's right

00:10:12.120 and I think the reason

00:10:13.240 that's right

00:10:13.580 is because a lot of people

00:10:14.580 who are hardcore atheists,

00:10:15.960 I'm not talking about agnostics 1.00

00:10:17.260 because I think

00:10:17.660 the only evidence-based position

00:10:18.800 on God is agnosticism

00:10:19.920 because there's no other evidence

00:10:22.820 of any,

00:10:23.460 like you can go either way

00:10:24.480 but as far as

00:10:25.800 kind of hardcore atheists,

00:10:26.760 a lot of atheists

00:10:27.560 who are very hardcore

00:10:28.540 and very vocal about it,

00:10:29.840 they seem to think

00:10:30.360 they're the first people

00:10:31.000 who ever figured out

00:10:31.900 that like a virgin birth

00:10:33.560 is kind of unlikely

00:10:34.580 or that God speaking

00:10:35.760 from a mountaintop

00:10:36.500 is kind of weird.

00:10:37.360 Like they're the first people

00:10:38.120 this ever occurred to

00:10:38.960 in the history of humanity.

00:10:40.200 Like it's brand new,

00:10:40.920 no one's ever thought of this

00:10:41.660 or they'll talk about

00:10:42.740 the problem of theodicy

00:10:43.600 and they'll sit around going,

00:10:45.080 well, you know,

00:10:45.360 I had a friend

00:10:45.820 who died of cancer

00:10:46.520 when they were young.

00:10:47.040 How could a good God

00:10:47.660 allow this?

00:10:48.580 I mean, I'll bet you

00:10:49.180 no religious thinkers

00:10:49.820 ever talked about that.

00:10:51.120 It's like there's

00:10:51.720 2,500 years of religious thought

00:10:54.340 on exactly this topic.

00:10:55.480 It is incredible

00:10:56.160 that people will bring up

00:10:57.200 this question

00:10:57.860 as a trump card.

00:11:00.260 Right.

00:11:00.400 They'll say,

00:11:01.020 well, why would a good God

00:11:02.200 let bad things happen?

00:11:03.180 And you think,

00:11:03.720 you're not asking me that.

00:11:05.040 You could Google it

00:11:05.760 and you would get

00:11:06.400 eternal books about this.

00:11:08.160 Right, and they may not

00:11:08.900 satisfy you

00:11:09.400 but the idea

00:11:09.720 that there's no sort

00:11:10.380 of explanation for that

00:11:11.440 that any religious person

00:11:12.320 has ever thought,

00:11:12.800 like they expect me

00:11:13.660 to convert on the spot.

00:11:14.820 You're right,

00:11:15.120 now I'm an atheist

00:11:15.640 because you dropped that on me.

00:11:17.080 No, I mean,

00:11:17.880 most religious people

00:11:19.120 have doubts.

00:11:20.460 Most religious people

00:11:21.220 understand there's a difference

00:11:22.200 between faith and knowledge.

00:11:23.840 That's why it's called faith.

00:11:25.140 That's why it's called belief.

00:11:26.040 You're a believer, right?

00:11:26.820 You're not a knower.

00:11:27.500 You're a believer.

00:11:28.360 And there's a clip of me

00:11:29.080 saying that I know in God

00:11:30.180 but I didn't say I know God, right?

00:11:31.600 I say I know in God

00:11:32.420 because no human being

00:11:33.180 is capable of knowing God.

00:11:34.580 I know the place of humanity

00:11:35.960 in the world

00:11:36.360 because I believe

00:11:37.080 there is a God

00:11:37.660 but I think that

00:11:38.420 that is a different standard

00:11:40.320 than religious person

00:11:41.860 who never even thinks

00:11:42.680 about whether God exists

00:11:43.740 or what God wants from us.

00:11:45.120 I think that

00:11:45.460 it's written right

00:11:47.200 into the Bible.

00:11:47.920 I mean, I think that

00:11:48.460 the key moment

00:11:49.260 in biblical history

00:11:50.760 there are a bunch of them

00:11:51.720 that people sort of point out

00:11:52.660 in the Old Testament anyway.

00:11:53.820 The key moment for Christians

00:11:54.680 is very easy

00:11:55.140 but for Jews

00:11:55.980 there are a couple

00:11:56.680 There's just one.

00:11:57.280 I guess two.

00:11:57.860 There's the birth

00:11:58.420 and the death

00:11:59.740 and resurrection

00:12:00.280 but it's very simple

00:12:01.580 It really boils down

00:12:02.480 in the sequel

00:12:03.140 in the sequel

00:12:03.520 they really boil it down

00:12:04.360 but in the original

00:12:05.240 there are a few different

00:12:07.400 there are a few different

00:12:08.240 sort of points

00:12:08.780 that people use

00:12:09.220 as inflection points

00:12:10.140 sacrifice of Isaac

00:12:11.120 the exodus from Egypt

00:12:12.880 but I think that

00:12:13.540 the real key moment

00:12:14.260 is a quieter moment

00:12:15.160 because this is the moment

00:12:15.940 when Israel is actually founded

00:12:18.160 and that is the wrestling match

00:12:19.640 between Jacob and the angel

00:12:20.800 right?

00:12:21.320 That's when Jacob's name

00:12:22.120 is switched to Israel

00:12:23.140 that's the first time

00:12:23.820 that Israel is used 0.94

00:12:24.660 in the Bible

00:12:25.220 and that becomes

00:12:26.580 the foundation

00:12:27.020 of all of religion

00:12:27.800 and Yisrael literally means

00:12:30.600 struggle with God

00:12:31.860 right?

00:12:32.180 It says right in the

00:12:33.500 Chumash 0.59

00:12:34.420 it says right there

00:12:34.940 in the Bible

00:12:35.320 that this means

00:12:36.080 and you struggled

00:12:37.100 with God and overcame

00:12:37.920 that's what religious

00:12:39.060 people do every day

00:12:39.740 we struggle with

00:12:40.480 the goodness of God

00:12:41.620 the presence of God

00:12:42.620 the imminence of God

00:12:43.520 we struggle with that

00:12:44.300 all the time

00:12:44.720 if you're not struggling

00:12:45.360 you're not thinking about it

00:12:46.420 and God wants you

00:12:47.300 to struggle with that

00:12:47.980 because if you're struggling

00:12:48.860 with it

00:12:49.280 then it means there's

00:12:49.920 a baseline level of belief

00:12:51.480 you don't struggle

00:12:52.060 with things that you think

00:12:52.760 are imaginary

00:12:53.180 you don't struggle

00:12:53.680 with Santa Claus

00:12:54.420 or the Easter money

00:12:55.060 but you do struggle

00:12:55.800 with your wife

00:12:56.280 you struggle with your family

00:12:57.320 people that you love

00:12:58.960 that you have a relationship

00:13:00.300 with

00:13:00.520 exactly

00:13:00.880 do you think

00:13:03.100 because all the time

00:13:04.300 we hear

00:13:04.800 especially from young

00:13:05.620 conservatives

00:13:06.080 well I'm fiscally

00:13:07.680 conservative

00:13:08.180 but socially liberal

00:13:09.060 well I'm

00:13:10.480 I just want to focus

00:13:12.040 on policy that works

00:13:13.260 and there seems to be

00:13:15.020 a metaphysical

00:13:16.300 ignorance

00:13:17.420 or a neglect

00:13:18.720 of metaphysics

00:13:19.460 I agree

00:13:20.020 do you think

00:13:20.820 that there needs

00:13:21.500 to be

00:13:22.100 a metaphysical

00:13:23.580 basis

00:13:24.860 for conservatism

00:13:26.140 I think

00:13:26.740 that if you want

00:13:27.040 to think it through

00:13:27.500 for more than five minutes

00:13:28.200 yes

00:13:28.420 because I think

00:13:29.180 that you can live

00:13:29.660 in the political world

00:13:30.460 and not really think

00:13:31.080 about the bases

00:13:31.560 of your thought

00:13:32.120 but I mean

00:13:33.000 it's fascinating

00:13:33.900 always when you talk

00:13:34.620 to people

00:13:34.980 who aren't religious

00:13:36.140 or who disparage

00:13:37.240 the Judeo-Christian tradition

00:13:38.220 upon which this entire

00:13:39.060 culture was built

00:13:39.640 and they'll use

00:13:41.300 Judeo-Christian terms

00:13:42.240 right

00:13:42.420 they'll use Judeo-Christian 0.97

00:13:43.260 definitions of good

00:13:44.060 and evil

00:13:44.400 they'll use Judeo-Christian 0.97

00:13:45.360 notions of rights

00:13:46.320 that don't exist

00:13:47.200 in the absence

00:13:47.720 of Judeo-Christian culture

00:13:48.960 right

00:13:49.140 they don't exist

00:13:49.520 anywhere else

00:13:50.040 on planet earth

00:13:50.600 for all time

00:13:51.140 and the idea

00:13:53.780 that you haven't

00:13:54.260 really thought

00:13:54.640 these things through

00:13:55.560 it's dangerous

00:13:57.300 I mean

00:13:57.600 every political philosophy

00:13:59.180 is based on

00:13:59.680 a certain conception

00:14:00.360 of human nature

00:14:01.120 and humanity's

00:14:02.560 place in the world

00:14:03.160 and human value

00:14:04.120 more than anything else

00:14:05.000 I mean

00:14:05.160 the foundational statement

00:14:06.040 for all of western civilization

00:14:07.060 is the very beginning

00:14:08.480 of Genesis

00:14:08.840 that man is made

00:14:10.460 in God's image

00:14:10.960 once you do that

00:14:11.840 you can talk about

00:14:12.360 the value of man

00:14:13.140 the rights of man

00:14:14.180 what is man put here

00:14:15.860 to do

00:14:16.260 but if you don't believe

00:14:17.180 any of that

00:14:17.580 if you just believe

00:14:18.080 that man is sort of

00:14:18.720 a random assemblage

00:14:19.440 of atoms

00:14:19.920 that happened along

00:14:20.840 you know

00:14:21.480 because the universe

00:14:22.800 is random

00:14:23.240 there are lots

00:14:23.700 of iterations of it

00:14:24.600 then I find a hard time

00:14:27.460 making the moral argument

00:14:28.680 against for example

00:14:29.520 things like slavery

00:14:31.000 or abortion

00:14:31.900 or tyranny

00:14:33.380 or murder even

00:14:35.160 I mean like

00:14:35.600 or capital punishment

00:14:36.780 on the flip side

00:14:37.400 capital punishment

00:14:37.780 I mean if you are

00:14:38.800 basically just an ant

00:14:40.420 unless you're a Jainist

00:14:41.200 and you believe

00:14:41.540 all forms of life

00:14:42.520 should equally be protected

00:14:43.520 but that's a religion too

00:14:44.700 if you believe

00:14:45.360 like a secular version of that

00:14:46.440 then okay

00:14:47.060 I guess I buy it

00:14:47.760 but otherwise

00:14:48.220 you have to explain

00:14:49.180 what makes human beings special

00:14:50.300 and why is that specialness

00:14:51.340 worthy of protection

00:14:52.080 it does lead to this

00:14:53.320 what it seems to me

00:14:54.560 disingenuous determinism

00:14:56.140 that seems to me

00:14:57.020 the logical conclusion

00:14:58.040 of that materialist thinking

00:14:59.780 but

00:15:00.140 and disingenuous

00:15:01.160 is the right word

00:15:01.700 because I think

00:15:02.140 that what ends up happening

00:15:03.300 it's very weird

00:15:04.020 is when you talk to

00:15:04.700 a lot of people

00:15:05.560 who are atheists

00:15:06.540 like I read Sam Harris' books

00:15:07.720 and I've met Sam

00:15:08.440 and I think Sam's a smart guy

00:15:09.380 and when I read

00:15:11.660 what Sam has to say

00:15:12.700 a lot of what he has to say

00:15:14.260 is based on

00:15:14.860 just an assumption

00:15:16.160 of free will

00:15:16.840 there's an assumption

00:15:17.720 that you can choose otherwise

00:15:18.800 that you are in control

00:15:19.720 of your own life

00:15:20.380 and that you should live

00:15:21.140 a moral life

00:15:21.760 that he has constructed

00:15:22.560 for you his version

00:15:23.420 of what morality looks like

00:15:24.580 Alan Dershowitz

00:15:25.280 sort of has a similar model

00:15:26.320 and the problem is

00:15:27.720 where are you getting

00:15:28.360 this free will stuff

00:15:29.360 in a materialistic universe

00:15:30.580 in which you're just

00:15:31.400 a random assemblage of atoms

00:15:32.460 like where is this free will

00:15:33.420 coming from

00:15:34.020 where do you get that

00:15:35.340 and how do you square that

00:15:36.240 with a materialist version

00:15:37.260 of reality

00:15:38.100 you know

00:15:38.680 I think that the best proof

00:15:39.580 of God

00:15:40.120 I've always said this

00:15:40.700 I think the best proof

00:15:41.380 of God to me

00:15:42.180 is our own

00:15:43.520 is sort of a Cartesian notion

00:15:45.360 that you are a thinker

00:15:46.680 you are a being

00:15:47.580 I can acknowledge myself

00:15:49.100 in my world

00:15:49.620 you are a self

00:15:50.640 you're not just a random

00:15:51.440 assemblage of stuff

00:15:52.300 that wakes up new

00:15:53.160 every morning

00:15:53.700 and that if you

00:15:55.080 have a hamburger

00:15:55.780 you're a different person

00:15:56.460 than you were one minute before

00:15:57.520 because you just put

00:15:58.100 some new stuff in your body

00:15:59.100 right

00:15:59.280 the notion that you are

00:16:01.080 a coherent human being

00:16:03.540 with the capacity to think

00:16:05.160 and the capacity

00:16:06.120 to control your behavior

00:16:07.100 and the capacity to change

00:16:08.380 that's the basis

00:16:09.500 of all of civilization

00:16:10.180 you take away that

00:16:10.980 basic Augustinian notion

00:16:12.300 of free will

00:16:12.740 and it's all over

00:16:13.320 I couldn't agree more

00:16:14.980 so you've read all the books

00:16:16.880 you've read St. Augustine

00:16:18.300 and Descartes

00:16:18.860 and all these people

00:16:19.520 most people haven't read

00:16:20.860 all the books

00:16:21.300 if you're a young conservative

00:16:23.480 either you're on campus

00:16:24.720 or you're in high school

00:16:25.340 or something

00:16:25.740 you want to join

00:16:27.380 the vast right-wing conspiracy

00:16:28.760 you want to get your card

00:16:29.920 I keep mine in my wallet

00:16:30.960 all the time

00:16:31.560 what should you do

00:16:33.800 what should you

00:16:34.900 and I don't just mean

00:16:36.620 what books you should read

00:16:37.380 obviously you should do that too

00:16:38.560 but what should the

00:16:39.900 would-be young conservative

00:16:40.960 be doing right now

00:16:41.980 well I mean I think the first thing

00:16:43.220 you should do is work hard

00:16:44.200 I think working hard

00:16:44.960 is basically the first notion

00:16:46.300 in any conservative philosophy

00:16:48.540 if you are willing to work hard

00:16:50.360 for your own betterment

00:16:51.160 then you're already moving

00:16:52.320 in the right direction politically

00:16:53.220 because you're an individual

00:16:54.120 who feels you need to better yourself

00:16:55.360 you're not just 1.00

00:16:56.140 a piece of garbage 1.00

00:16:58.660 in a collection 0.99

00:16:59.260 so if you value yourself

00:17:00.980 enough to work hard

00:17:01.640 then I think that you're going to

00:17:02.420 move in a conservative direction

00:17:03.460 sort of automatically

00:17:04.720 I think that

00:17:05.980 in terms of reading

00:17:07.020 obviously you should read

00:17:08.120 the same texts

00:17:08.700 that were good enough for Lincoln

00:17:09.920 I mean if you read

00:17:11.080 the Bible and Shakespeare

00:17:12.180 and follow that up

00:17:12.880 with the Federalist Papers

00:17:13.680 I think you start with those three

00:17:14.800 and you'll be in pretty good shape

00:17:16.760 a root respect for Western civilization

00:17:18.840 lies at the core

00:17:19.860 of conservative philosophy

00:17:21.760 which is why

00:17:22.280 there is something

00:17:23.220 we want to conserve

00:17:24.000 and something the left

00:17:24.900 wants to tear down

00:17:25.800 so if you have a respect

00:17:27.060 for these institutions

00:17:28.480 of Western civilization

00:17:29.460 and you say yes

00:17:30.280 they were flawed

00:17:30.840 and yes it's our goal

00:17:31.680 to perfect them

00:17:32.440 and make sure

00:17:33.200 that the original aspirations

00:17:34.560 are fulfilled

00:17:35.280 generation over generation

00:17:37.140 improved over time

00:17:38.200 then we can make pure

00:17:40.440 what we were given

00:17:41.480 but that's not quite the same thing

00:17:43.240 as what the left is saying

00:17:44.040 which is that what we were given 1.00

00:17:44.680 is garbage 0.99

00:17:45.060 and if we just discard that 0.98

00:17:46.040 we can build something brand new

00:17:47.200 just wait till I get my hands on it

00:17:49.500 I'm going to do great

00:17:50.340 yeah exactly

00:17:50.960 the last couple centuries

00:17:52.000 as someone said to me

00:17:53.620 on Sunday night

00:17:54.980 the last couple centuries

00:17:56.120 have been very poor proof

00:17:57.680 of the idea that secular humanism

00:17:59.540 has a great record

00:18:00.900 in remaking man

00:18:01.920 in a positive direction

00:18:03.180 like that argument

00:18:03.880 would have swung a lot better

00:18:04.980 in 1788

00:18:06.300 before the French Revolution

00:18:07.840 works a lot better

00:18:08.440 we have to talk

00:18:10.580 a little bit about politics

00:18:11.780 before I get to

00:18:12.820 the lightning round

00:18:13.820 the Ben Shapiro lightning round

00:18:15.120 which is what I'm most excited for

00:18:16.420 only someone

00:18:17.620 of Ben Shapiro's

00:18:18.600 linguistic speed

00:18:19.960 and thoughtful speed

00:18:22.180 could answer

00:18:23.000 all 25 questions

00:18:24.140 this quickly

00:18:24.700 but before we get to that

00:18:25.860 before we get to that

00:18:28.680 I'm frustrated

00:18:31.420 at all these DACA headlines

00:18:32.660 because I think

00:18:33.600 a lot of people

00:18:34.160 are missing the point

00:18:34.900 some of the politicians

00:18:35.900 making decisions

00:18:37.640 about this

00:18:38.100 are missing the point

00:18:38.780 the implication

00:18:40.820 I think from the left

00:18:41.600 is that

00:18:42.100 any decision

00:18:43.620 to reduce

00:18:44.320 either legal

00:18:45.040 or illegal immigration

00:18:45.980 is racist

00:18:46.640 but certainly

00:18:47.580 to reduce

00:18:48.220 legal immigration

00:18:49.160 and we hear

00:18:49.940 the alt-right guys

00:18:50.820 making fairly racist

00:18:51.960 points themselves

00:18:52.720 on this topic

00:18:53.460 what is the

00:18:54.900 non-racist argument

00:18:56.260 to reduce

00:18:56.880 legal immigration

00:18:57.600 so the

00:18:58.200 non-racist argument

00:18:59.740 is less about

00:19:01.260 reduction

00:19:01.700 than who's coming

00:19:02.520 in the country

00:19:02.940 so there's an

00:19:05.320 economic argument

00:19:06.000 that some people make

00:19:06.680 they suggest

00:19:07.080 that we would

00:19:07.520 raise American wages

00:19:08.420 if we limited

00:19:09.020 the amount of labor

00:19:09.640 I'm not a big fan

00:19:10.580 of that argument

00:19:11.020 because it's basically

00:19:11.720 the same argument

00:19:12.320 as minimum wage

00:19:12.960 if you want to limit

00:19:13.840 the amount of labor

00:19:14.760 all you have to do

00:19:15.320 is create a legislative

00:19:16.140 create a bill

00:19:17.460 that limits

00:19:18.140 the amount of labor

00:19:18.720 you'll raise the wage

00:19:19.880 but you'll put a lot

00:19:20.440 of people out of work

00:19:21.100 and you'll destroy 0.79

00:19:22.300 the basis of the economy

00:19:23.260 but other than that

00:19:25.300 it's great

00:19:26.020 but the legal immigrant

00:19:28.420 restrictive argument

00:19:29.840 is we have a culture

00:19:31.620 worth preserving

00:19:32.320 it's a Judeo-Christian culture

00:19:33.500 you have to be prepared

00:19:35.440 to assimilate

00:19:36.000 into that culture

00:19:36.720 to even be looked at

00:19:38.060 and we as a society

00:19:39.320 have no necessary responsibility

00:19:41.260 to take in everybody

00:19:42.140 who wants to get in

00:19:43.080 unless they also

00:19:43.900 service that civilization

00:19:45.620 unless they're willing

00:19:46.440 to be participants

00:19:47.100 in that civilization

00:19:47.800 have demonstrated evidence

00:19:48.900 that they're willing

00:19:49.380 to be participants

00:19:50.380 in that civilization

00:19:51.220 that's the principled argument

00:19:53.140 and it's the argument

00:19:54.400 the alt-right constantly

00:19:55.140 gets wrong

00:19:55.520 they say it's about race

00:19:57.520 and it's not about race

00:19:58.160 it's always about culture

00:19:59.000 they equate race and culture

00:20:00.200 they're not the same thing at all

00:20:01.160 I mean

00:20:01.340 there are a bunch of 0.65

00:20:02.420 savages running around Britain

00:20:04.100 before Julius Caesar invaded

00:20:06.140 they were exactly the same

00:20:07.440 ethnic material

00:20:08.160 like a hundred years ago

00:20:09.280 right exactly 0.66

00:20:09.840 it's quite ridiculous

00:20:11.920 actually to suggest 0.75

00:20:12.760 that race

00:20:13.320 is the fundamental precursor

00:20:14.800 to civilization

00:20:15.720 when again

00:20:16.420 Italians were being 1.00

00:20:17.660 discriminated against

00:20:18.620 when they came to the United States

00:20:20.160 in the 19th century

00:20:21.520 I'm pretty swarthy

00:20:22.340 I am a fairly swarthy guy

00:20:23.820 I don't know that I meet

00:20:24.440 their criteria

00:20:24.980 and yet a lot of the people

00:20:25.880 who presumably would have been

00:20:26.800 quote-unquote alt-right

00:20:27.540 in the 19th century

00:20:28.380 and were discriminating

00:20:29.060 against Italians 1.00

00:20:29.640 were talking about

00:20:30.040 the glories of Roman civilization 0.60

00:20:31.180 so it's really not about race

00:20:33.420 it's about culture

00:20:33.780 it's a real cognitive dissonance

00:20:34.880 okay we've got to get

00:20:35.900 to this lightning round

00:20:36.640 I bet we can do it

00:20:37.540 in like two minutes

00:20:38.700 really okay

00:20:39.400 here are the dichotomies

00:20:40.920 just the first thing

00:20:41.840 that comes to your mind

00:20:42.700 at the superhuman

00:20:44.520 Shapiro speed 0.73

00:20:45.240 favorite novel

00:20:46.280 so I'll go with

00:20:49.420 I have like four or five

00:20:50.520 of them actually

00:20:50.960 so Moby Dick is my favorite

00:20:52.140 if I have to pick one

00:20:53.000 take to a desert island

00:20:53.760 it's Moby Dick

00:20:54.300 best American novel

00:20:55.500 then there are a bunch

00:20:56.120 that nobody's ever heard of

00:20:56.940 there's one called

00:20:57.380 Every Man Dies Alone

00:20:58.280 which is a terrific book

00:21:00.120 about a couple

00:21:00.820 who are living

00:21:02.620 in Nazi Germany

00:21:03.380 and they decide

00:21:04.640 to basically

00:21:05.460 put out leaflets

00:21:07.000 their son has been killed

00:21:07.760 in the war

00:21:08.080 they're Germans

00:21:08.500 their son has been killed

00:21:09.280 in the war

00:21:09.660 as a brown shirt

00:21:11.020 and they have decided

00:21:12.520 to put out leaflets

00:21:13.280 resisting Hitler 0.84

00:21:13.880 knowing it's not really

00:21:14.580 going to do any good

00:21:15.180 about their relationship

00:21:15.960 it's a terrific book

00:21:16.740 by a guy named Hans Valada

00:21:17.680 who was writing at the time

00:21:19.280 in Germany

00:21:20.160 so that's a really good book

00:21:21.540 there's another little known book

00:21:23.600 that's really enjoyable

00:21:24.500 just a fun book

00:21:25.220 it's called

00:21:25.700 The Secret of Santa Vittoria

00:21:26.640 by Robert Crichton

00:21:27.360 they made a movie out of it

00:21:28.580 that I don't think

00:21:29.580 is particularly good

00:21:30.260 but the book itself

00:21:31.400 is a really great read

00:21:33.020 and then of course

00:21:34.240 you have to add

00:21:35.260 some of the Russians

00:21:35.860 right

00:21:36.140 Crime and Punishment

00:21:37.080 Anna Karenina

00:21:38.160 but yeah

00:21:39.360 those would be

00:21:39.880 at the top of the list

00:21:40.460 alright

00:21:40.760 favorite philosopher

00:21:42.000 so I would say

00:21:45.280 either Kant or Locke

00:21:47.680 which is a real dichotomy

00:21:48.820 you can smash them both together

00:21:50.880 and try to make sense of that

00:21:51.800 I suppose

00:21:52.180 it would be kind of difficult

00:21:53.840 but it's hard

00:21:55.320 it's hard to root against Kant

00:21:56.620 Kant is pretty spectacular

00:21:57.920 although reading Kant

00:21:59.300 is brutal

00:21:59.740 just read a summary of Kant

00:22:00.680 you'll be better off

00:22:01.300 it is awful

00:22:01.880 it took me so long

00:22:03.480 and so much masochism

00:22:05.060 to get through

00:22:05.400 the critique of pure reason

00:22:06.280 it's in

00:22:06.820 you could literally

00:22:07.860 just have somebody

00:22:09.020 summarize it for you

00:22:09.820 and get as much out of it

00:22:10.980 as trying to slog your way

00:22:11.940 through 800 pages

00:22:12.800 of badly translated German

00:22:13.880 favorite color

00:22:15.600 yellow

00:22:16.940 Athens or Jerusalem

00:22:18.480 I mean that's both

00:22:21.420 I mean

00:22:21.740 Lepanto or Tours

00:22:23.140 neither

00:22:25.120 LA or DC

00:22:26.400 LA

00:22:28.120 LA or Lepanto

00:22:29.080 LA

00:22:31.280 Batman or Superman

00:22:33.060 oh

00:22:34.560 that's hard

00:22:35.800 that's the hardest one

00:22:36.440 you've given me

00:22:36.940 Batman versus Superman

00:22:38.060 if Batman killed people 0.89

00:22:40.140 Batman 0.75

00:22:40.560 perfect

00:22:44.680 favorite musical

00:22:45.900 the one that's closest

00:22:48.720 to my heart

00:22:49.180 is 1776

00:22:49.900 the one that's the most

00:22:50.540 brilliant is Sweeney Todd

00:22:51.340 favorite movie

00:22:52.100 again

00:22:53.560 I would have to go

00:22:54.960 like top 10

00:22:55.660 but

00:22:55.880 the Lord of the Rings

00:22:57.640 trilogy is fantastic

00:22:58.680 the Dark Knight trilogy

00:22:59.800 is fantastic

00:23:00.780 there's

00:23:02.460 A Man for All Seasons

00:23:03.500 used to be

00:23:04.140 my favorite for a long time

00:23:05.620 the

00:23:06.980 what's the name of the film

00:23:09.300 now

00:23:09.800 they made a remake

00:23:10.960 All the King's Men 0.73

00:23:11.540 the original

00:23:12.860 with Broderick Crawford

00:23:13.840 was up there

00:23:15.140 on my list

00:23:15.620 Truman chose a great movie

00:23:16.760 I have a list of

00:23:17.720 I'll have to do my list

00:23:18.540 of top 100 movies

00:23:19.240 because I've seen

00:23:19.560 every Oscar nominated film

00:23:20.520 since 1933

00:23:21.180 oh my god

00:23:21.900 of course you have

00:23:22.560 virtually all of them anyway

00:23:23.500 Spirit Animal

00:23:24.380 Spirit Animal

00:23:26.240 God

00:23:28.200 my Spirit Animal

00:23:28.820 is Ben Shapiro actually

00:23:29.780 but what is your

00:23:30.620 what has Ben Shapiro

00:23:31.280 Spirit Animal

00:23:31.840 I don't buy into

00:23:33.760 Spirit Animal

00:23:36.060 I don't even like animals

00:23:37.980 Edmund Spencer

00:23:41.380 or Richard Spencer

00:23:42.560 anyone who's not

00:23:44.220 Richard Spencer

00:23:44.840 among whom is

00:23:46.120 Edmund Spencer

00:23:46.660 yeah good poet

00:23:47.220 democracy or meritocracy

00:23:49.100 meritocracy

00:23:50.840 meritocracy or monarchy

00:23:52.460 meritocracy

00:23:53.600 Yale or Harvard

00:23:54.580 I went to Harvard Law School

00:23:56.100 Yale or Oxford

00:23:57.280 Yale

00:23:59.780 oh that's pretty

00:24:00.900 I thought I was gonna

00:24:01.460 have to go down

00:24:01.940 like 10 of those

00:24:02.480 before I got to

00:24:03.060 yeah I'll take it

00:24:04.000 my country right or wrong

00:24:05.320 my country when it's right

00:24:06.440 my country when it's right

00:24:07.580 regular coke or diet coke

00:24:08.820 regular coke

00:24:10.040 Edmund Burke or Thomas Paine

00:24:11.400 you have to pick one

00:24:12.300 Edmund Burke

00:24:13.400 greatest composer

00:24:14.560 Beethoven

00:24:16.060 favorite book of the bible

00:24:17.260 oh

00:24:19.180 that's another hard one

00:24:21.980 although our canon is a lot

00:24:25.820 smaller than yours

00:24:26.460 I do have a particular love

00:24:29.380 for Samuel 1 and 2

00:24:30.780 all the David and Saul

00:24:32.540 stuff is fantastic

00:24:33.240 note to self

00:24:33.980 read Samuel 1 and 2

00:24:35.220 Lord of the Rings

00:24:37.000 or Game of Thrones

00:24:37.760 Lord of the Rings

00:24:39.840 a hot dog is a sandwich

00:24:41.440 a hot dog is not a sandwich

00:24:42.800 a hot dog is not a sandwich

00:24:43.960 you have to have two separate

00:24:44.820 pieces of bread to make a sandwich

00:24:45.760 what about a hoagie

00:24:46.460 a hoagie doesn't have 0.63

00:24:47.460 two separate pieces of bread

00:24:48.460 also not a sandwich

00:24:49.200 oh my god this is outrageous

00:24:51.020 final question

00:24:52.420 the right to bear arms

00:24:53.640 the right to arm bears

00:24:54.480 what does freedom mean to you

00:24:57.860 well I mean

00:24:58.800 what kind of country would we be

00:24:59.960 if we couldn't do both

00:25:00.740 that is a great point

00:25:02.300 everybody

00:25:03.040 Ben Shapiro

00:25:04.060 Ben thank you for coming on

00:25:05.440 thanks a lot

00:25:05.820 a real pleasure

00:25:06.440 thank you for everything

00:25:07.240 it's been mediocre

00:25:07.880 it's been just solidly mediocre

00:25:09.920 edit that out

00:25:11.360 edit it out Marshall

00:25:12.440 Ben thank you for coming

00:25:13.520 now we have to move

00:25:14.380 to the panel of deplorables

00:25:16.080 we have to bring them on

00:25:16.860 roaming millennial

00:25:18.100 Amanda Presto Giacomo

00:25:19.400 and Jacob Airy

00:25:20.960 alright guys

00:25:21.960 we're not going to comment

00:25:22.780 on anything like that

00:25:23.600 how are you going to beat

00:25:24.280 Ben Shapiro

00:25:24.820 he just ran through

00:25:25.660 all of the important

00:25:26.400 questions in the world

00:25:27.720 so we have to move

00:25:29.020 straight down to news

00:25:30.620 and before we get to that

00:25:31.740 we have to say goodbye

00:25:32.800 to Facebook

00:25:33.860 and YouTube

00:25:34.620 I know

00:25:35.180 you haven't even heard

00:25:36.060 from the panel today

00:25:36.840 well tough guys

00:25:38.140 you have to go to

00:25:38.920 dailywire.com

00:25:40.080 right now

00:25:40.680 and pay either

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00:25:42.820 or $100 a year

00:25:44.120 to subscribe

00:25:44.960 you'll get my show

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00:25:47.120 you'll get the

00:25:47.660 Ben Shapiro show

00:25:48.380 one of the biggest

00:25:48.860 podcasts in the whole country

00:25:50.020 and forget all that

00:25:51.720 you'll get the

00:25:53.220 Leftist Tears Tumblr

00:25:54.200 the Leftist Tears Tumblr

00:25:55.760 is so

00:25:56.560 it is the finest

00:25:58.080 vehicle

00:25:58.800 for not only

00:26:00.200 Leftist Tears

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00:26:01.740 in the whole country

00:26:02.500 you can have them

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00:26:05.080 go over there

00:26:05.960 right now

00:26:06.380 dailywire.com

00:26:07.220 and we will be right back

00:26:08.200 it was my campaign

00:26:21.700 those were my decisions

00:26:23.580 that's Hillary Clinton 0.98

00:26:24.940 giving her latest excuses

00:26:26.600 in interviews

00:26:27.680 about her new book

00:26:28.500 she says

00:26:29.500 I think it's fair to say

00:26:31.500 that I didn't realize

00:26:32.360 how quickly the ground

00:26:33.800 was shifting

00:26:34.360 under all our feet

00:26:35.600 I was running a traditional

00:26:36.880 presidential campaign

00:26:37.900 with carefully thought out

00:26:39.200 policies and painstakingly

00:26:40.580 built coalitions

00:26:41.160 while Trump

00:26:42.200 was running a reality TV show

00:26:43.940 that expertly

00:26:44.640 and relentlessly stoked

00:26:45.640 Americans' anger 0.55

00:26:46.860 and resentment

00:26:47.800 what makes me such a good

00:26:49.660 lightning rod for fury

00:26:50.880 I'm really asking

00:26:52.140 I'm at a loss

00:26:53.160 I think it's particularly

00:26:54.840 or rather

00:26:55.520 it's partly

00:26:56.300 because I'm a woman

00:26:57.620 that was Hillary Clinton 0.96

00:26:58.840 accepting responsibility

00:26:59.800 for her loss

00:27:00.880 Amanda help her out 1.00

00:27:02.560 what makes Hillary 1.00

00:27:04.140 such a lightning rod

00:27:05.040 for fury

00:27:05.460 Hillary 1.00

00:27:07.840 she's one of the worst 1.00

00:27:09.940 candidates I've ever seen

00:27:11.420 she couldn't campaign 0.77

00:27:12.740 away out of a paper bag

00:27:13.760 but it's just so funny

00:27:15.680 that she just has

00:27:16.700 this

00:27:17.300 it's kind of like

00:27:18.260 a leftist mentality

00:27:19.180 where she blames

00:27:19.800 everybody else

00:27:20.380 but herself

00:27:21.040 I actually

00:27:22.220 I think it was in January

00:27:23.240 I composed a list

00:27:24.360 of everything Hillary's blamed

00:27:25.620 so it's basically

00:27:26.200 her book

00:27:26.800 What Happened

00:27:27.300 but in list form

00:27:28.120 and it was

00:27:29.580 I think there were like

00:27:30.660 honestly like

00:27:31.700 at least like

00:27:32.520 35 different entities

00:27:33.960 or people she blamed

00:27:35.100 you know

00:27:36.060 Bernie Sanders

00:27:36.760 Comey 0.99

00:27:37.300 sexism

00:27:38.060 the right wing conspiracy

00:27:39.800 WikiLeaks

00:27:40.640 Russia

00:27:40.960 the DNC

00:27:41.640 Netflix

00:27:42.420 that was one of my favorites

00:27:43.440 she was too truthful

00:27:44.900 white women 1.00

00:27:45.500 I mean there is no

00:27:46.900 real reflection on Hillary

00:27:48.040 anytime there's criticism

00:27:49.580 it's somebody else's fault

00:27:51.040 something doesn't go her way

00:27:52.340 it's somebody else's fault

00:27:53.660 we saw this in the 90s as well

00:27:55.020 there's you know

00:27:55.840 it's everyone else to blame

00:27:57.120 not Hillary 1.00

00:27:57.980 you're absolutely right

00:27:59.480 that does characterize

00:28:00.500 the Clintons

00:28:01.320 and particularly Hillary 1.00

00:28:02.500 just always passing the buck

00:28:03.820 but roaming

00:28:04.900 does she have any point

00:28:06.640 did her being a woman 0.99

00:28:08.240 play into her loss

00:28:09.500 at all

00:28:09.980 in any way

00:28:10.520 I'm trying

00:28:11.000 believe it or not

00:28:11.920 trying to give Hillary 0.98

00:28:12.660 a fair shake

00:28:13.260 only because she's my second cousin

00:28:14.880 once removed

00:28:15.420 well you know what

00:28:17.800 I'm not going to say

00:28:18.620 that her being a woman

00:28:19.860 didn't stop anyone

00:28:21.240 from voting for her

00:28:22.220 right

00:28:22.440 I mean there are sexists

00:28:23.360 everywhere

00:28:23.700 I'm sure there are at least

00:28:24.580 some people out there

00:28:25.340 who thought

00:28:25.800 you know what

00:28:26.260 a woman 0.57

00:28:26.660 not for me

00:28:27.740 but the question is

00:28:29.100 was it an institutional part

00:28:31.060 of her losing

00:28:31.980 right

00:28:32.160 was it something

00:28:32.580 that actually

00:28:33.100 had an impact

00:28:34.100 on the election

00:28:34.700 you know

00:28:35.720 in a larger sense

00:28:36.400 and I've got to say

00:28:37.580 no when we look

00:28:38.380 at the breakdown

00:28:38.940 of demographics

00:28:39.660 we see okay

00:28:40.440 well across women

00:28:41.400 won them all

00:28:42.340 obviously women 1.00

00:28:42.980 aren't going to be

00:28:43.600 scared of voting

00:28:44.300 for a woman

00:28:44.760 and you know what

00:28:45.160 even across

00:28:45.740 you know

00:28:46.840 male demographics

00:28:47.540 when it comes to

00:28:48.240 the Hispanic vote 0.96

00:28:49.100 the black vote 0.98

00:28:50.220 it just 0.99

00:28:50.660 unless you're

00:28:52.080 specifically accusing

00:28:53.220 white males

00:28:54.040 of being sexist 0.82

00:28:55.220 then no

00:28:55.640 it just doesn't make sense

00:28:56.660 and I mean

00:28:57.040 if you look at

00:28:57.840 the campaign

00:28:58.440 she ran

00:28:59.280 you'd have to be

00:28:59.960 I guess 1.00

00:29:00.600 willfully ignorant 0.99

00:29:01.500 to say 0.97

00:29:02.120 nah it's probably

00:29:03.240 just because

00:29:03.720 I'm a woman

00:29:04.260 it is

00:29:05.580 it's willful ignorance

00:29:06.560 and wishful thinking

00:29:07.440 I think on her part

00:29:08.540 Jacob

00:29:09.340 is she

00:29:10.560 seriously confused

00:29:12.120 as to why she lost

00:29:13.100 is she really

00:29:14.000 at such a loss

00:29:14.960 and wondering about this

00:29:16.220 or is she just

00:29:17.380 faking it

00:29:18.000 to get sympathy

00:29:18.840 I think she is

00:29:20.520 confused

00:29:20.960 but for a different

00:29:22.300 reason

00:29:22.700 I think that

00:29:23.940 her supporters

00:29:25.180 I should say

00:29:26.300 her inner circle

00:29:27.140 they're telling her

00:29:28.480 you lost

00:29:29.080 because of

00:29:29.540 Bernie Sanders

00:29:30.160 you lost

00:29:30.840 because of

00:29:31.440 Barack Obama

00:29:32.280 when I was at

00:29:33.320 Politicon

00:29:33.760 and I went to a panel

00:29:35.800 where Paul Begala

00:29:36.960 was speaking

00:29:37.560 and he was

00:29:38.160 he was just

00:29:39.040 regurgitating

00:29:39.900 everything that

00:29:41.040 Hillary Clinton

00:29:41.920 has saying

00:29:42.420 so I honestly think

00:29:43.600 that it's her

00:29:44.760 inner circle telling

00:29:45.620 it's not you

00:29:46.440 it's them

00:29:47.140 it's got nothing

00:29:48.240 to do with it

00:29:48.760 so I think that

00:29:49.540 is confusing her

00:29:50.600 and it's forcing her

00:29:52.000 to

00:29:52.860 or I should say

00:29:53.960 she's more than happy

00:29:55.080 to go along with it

00:29:56.220 because otherwise

00:29:56.720 it's like a man 0.89

00:29:57.500 who says she's

00:29:58.000 a terrible candidate

00:29:58.800 which she is

00:29:59.980 and if Paul Begala

00:30:00.900 says it

00:30:01.400 it's obviously

00:30:02.040 a coordinated response

00:30:03.440 because those Clintons 1.00

00:30:04.500 are always scheming

00:30:05.700 for something

00:30:06.200 Facebook

00:30:07.140 is claiming

00:30:08.240 that it's advertising

00:30:09.100 now reaches more people

00:30:10.480 than the US census

00:30:11.560 say

00:30:12.000 live in the country

00:30:13.220 for comment

00:30:14.760 we have to turn

00:30:15.620 to Mark Zuckerberg

00:30:16.480 he has a lower voice

00:30:42.020 than I thought he would

00:30:42.760 I was actually surprised

00:30:43.980 when I heard that take

00:30:44.920 Roaming

00:30:45.700 does this show

00:30:46.860 a weakness

00:30:47.460 in techie tyranny

00:30:48.640 or is Facebook

00:30:50.220 more correct

00:30:51.000 than the US census

00:30:52.160 you know what

00:30:54.140 government or Facebook

00:30:55.700 neither are groups

00:30:56.940 where I'm kind of

00:30:57.740 throwing my trust

00:30:58.680 at them

00:30:58.980 being like

00:30:59.400 yes let me take

00:31:00.320 your information

00:31:00.880 out of your word

00:31:01.320 this is a hard one

00:31:02.460 but you know what

00:31:02.860 I've got to go

00:31:03.360 with the US census

00:31:04.140 and I think

00:31:05.120 it's not like

00:31:06.320 we can't imagine

00:31:06.940 a reason why

00:31:07.560 Facebook would want

00:31:08.220 to inflate its numbers

00:31:09.020 or it's not like

00:31:09.500 we can imagine

00:31:10.100 that you know what

00:31:10.660 maybe this isn't malicious

00:31:11.480 maybe they just

00:31:12.080 are honestly having

00:31:12.860 tech issues

00:31:13.720 where they're

00:31:14.080 reading things wrong

00:31:15.040 either way

00:31:15.600 I am not taking

00:31:16.720 this seriously

00:31:17.380 I don't think

00:31:18.160 they're right

00:31:18.640 and I think

00:31:20.180 it's interesting

00:31:20.600 because you know

00:31:21.320 there's been

00:31:21.740 so much hype

00:31:22.580 over Zuckerberg

00:31:23.520 possibly running

00:31:24.520 at least you know

00:31:25.100 in certain corners

00:31:25.900 of the internet

00:31:26.520 so long

00:31:27.280 so late

00:31:27.920 right

00:31:28.860 so it's

00:31:30.060 this is an interesting

00:31:30.840 thing because

00:31:31.300 if I look at

00:31:31.960 you know

00:31:32.320 anything that's

00:31:33.520 critical of Facebook

00:31:34.600 or Zuckerberg

00:31:35.360 at all

00:31:35.740 it's not really

00:31:36.260 being reported

00:31:37.060 as much

00:31:37.780 by those same

00:31:39.800 I guess

00:31:40.120 mainstream media

00:31:40.860 outlets

00:31:41.300 so I

00:31:42.160 you know

00:31:42.600 yeah

00:31:43.420 I would like

00:31:44.180 to say that

00:31:44.700 this is something

00:31:45.340 that yeah

00:31:45.740 it's great

00:31:46.100 let's look at

00:31:46.520 Facebook's policies

00:31:47.220 a little bit more

00:31:47.820 let's look at

00:31:48.540 you know

00:31:49.120 some of the things

00:31:49.600 they're selling

00:31:50.300 to advertisers

00:31:50.920 may be a little

00:31:51.460 bit critical

00:31:51.980 but I don't think

00:31:53.420 most people

00:31:53.780 will care about this

00:31:54.700 Roman you bring up 0.59

00:31:55.700 a great incentive

00:31:56.660 that Zuckerberg

00:31:57.480 would have

00:31:58.020 to inflate

00:31:58.660 his influence

00:31:59.280 which is that

00:32:00.400 he appears

00:32:01.220 to want to run

00:32:01.900 for president

00:32:02.540 and he gives us

00:32:03.400 those super cringy

00:32:04.440 photos of him

00:32:05.120 at Iowa

00:32:05.980 lunch counters

00:32:07.020 which are really

00:32:07.820 wonderful

00:32:08.180 they're the best

00:32:08.660 thing on the internet

00:32:09.200 in the last year

00:32:10.000 probably

00:32:10.560 but Amanda

00:32:12.200 is Facebook

00:32:13.700 intentionally

00:32:14.500 inflating its numbers

00:32:15.480 either to milk

00:32:17.000 advertisers

00:32:17.740 or to promote

00:32:19.460 Mark Zuckerberg

00:32:20.860 for president

00:32:21.380 or are they just

00:32:22.440 having a glitch

00:32:23.300 are they just

00:32:23.920 not as

00:32:24.640 all powerful

00:32:26.020 as we thought

00:32:26.500 they were

00:32:26.860 like Roaming said

00:32:29.500 you can't imagine

00:32:30.180 why they would want to

00:32:31.260 you know

00:32:32.100 again for

00:32:32.740 for advertisers

00:32:34.600 and such

00:32:35.120 it would make sense

00:32:35.840 why they would

00:32:36.180 inflate those numbers

00:32:36.820 and also

00:32:37.420 I do think

00:32:38.460 there are a lot

00:32:38.960 of people

00:32:39.400 this might seem

00:32:39.920 simplistic

00:32:40.380 but I feel like

00:32:40.960 there are a ton

00:32:41.280 of people

00:32:41.580 who have multiple

00:32:42.140 accounts

00:32:42.740 like you know

00:32:43.840 and they said

00:32:44.340 in the Wall Street Journal

00:32:45.620 they've been saying

00:32:46.140 that was like

00:32:46.520 one of the factors

00:32:47.440 that there are just

00:32:48.180 like multiple

00:32:48.660 accounts for a lot

00:32:49.500 of people

00:32:49.900 so like things

00:32:51.040 like that

00:32:51.480 I think can

00:32:51.900 actually contribute

00:32:52.720 but yeah

00:32:55.000 I mean

00:32:55.480 Facebook is

00:32:56.280 super powerful

00:32:57.500 and like Roaming

00:32:59.300 said

00:32:59.540 I mean

00:32:59.880 between a choice

00:33:00.940 of you know

00:33:01.660 believing the US

00:33:02.400 government

00:33:02.740 and Facebook

00:33:03.260 it's like

00:33:03.820 it's basically

00:33:04.400 a toss up

00:33:05.200 they both

00:33:05.580 have so much

00:33:06.560 power

00:33:06.880 and one other

00:33:07.940 and then

00:33:10.040 one other thing

00:33:10.760 you kind of

00:33:11.140 touched on Roaming

00:33:11.820 is that

00:33:12.220 it is difficult

00:33:13.200 for news companies

00:33:14.080 to criticize

00:33:15.100 Mark Zuckerberg

00:33:15.840 or Facebook

00:33:16.540 because

00:33:17.000 they disseminate

00:33:18.040 all the news

00:33:18.720 so it is kind of

00:33:19.880 hard to tackle that

00:33:20.960 I think there are

00:33:21.500 a lot of news companies

00:33:22.340 who are kind of like

00:33:23.720 you know

00:33:24.140 kind of go

00:33:24.900 a little easy

00:33:25.920 on this

00:33:26.320 because they do

00:33:27.220 kind of control

00:33:27.760 everything

00:33:28.120 and there have been

00:33:28.860 instances where people

00:33:30.200 have accused

00:33:30.820 the organization

00:33:31.560 of basically

00:33:32.860 having bias

00:33:33.640 you know

00:33:33.960 we've seen that

00:33:34.380 multiple times

00:33:34.960 so again

00:33:36.180 it's like

00:33:36.640 he's not open

00:33:37.420 to criticism too

00:33:38.260 so that's also

00:33:38.860 a little dangerous

00:33:39.660 it is Occam's razor

00:33:40.920 also

00:33:41.300 I hadn't even

00:33:41.840 considered that

00:33:42.520 but everybody

00:33:43.300 has multiple accounts

00:33:44.280 I've had several

00:33:45.080 for different

00:33:45.880 political things

00:33:46.940 I've been up to

00:33:47.680 and so that

00:33:48.900 that very well

00:33:49.800 might explain

00:33:50.260 the whole thing

00:33:50.680 stalk your ex-boyfriends

00:33:51.680 and stuff

00:33:51.980 I only use it

00:33:53.120 to stalk my ex-boyfriends

00:33:54.320 now Jacob

00:33:58.020 will there ever

00:34:00.840 come a time

00:34:01.360 when tech giants

00:34:02.700 are a threat

00:34:04.500 to the republic

00:34:05.000 when they have

00:34:05.580 more information

00:34:06.200 than the government

00:34:06.700 when they have

00:34:07.080 more power

00:34:07.580 than the government

00:34:08.180 are we there now

00:34:10.100 and what

00:34:10.680 what is the

00:34:11.160 implication

00:34:11.620 for our society

00:34:12.800 personally

00:34:13.820 I think they're

00:34:14.360 already just as

00:34:15.260 dangerous

00:34:15.540 as the government

00:34:16.460 I mean

00:34:16.760 they're already

00:34:17.260 Facebook

00:34:17.760 and Google

00:34:18.440 and Apple

00:34:19.260 are already

00:34:19.980 colluding

00:34:20.560 with the government

00:34:21.600 in some aspects

00:34:22.600 but honestly

00:34:24.200 I think that

00:34:25.140 there is

00:34:25.760 private corporations

00:34:26.900 will never be

00:34:28.000 more dangerous

00:34:29.300 than the government

00:34:30.200 like I said

00:34:30.820 unless they start

00:34:31.620 colluding with it

00:34:32.780 so I don't see this

00:34:34.360 because we

00:34:35.480 the consumers

00:34:36.260 still have

00:34:37.280 some of the power

00:34:38.420 you know

00:34:39.060 it's like

00:34:39.480 you know

00:34:39.680 everyone going

00:34:40.280 from MySpace

00:34:40.980 onto Facebook

00:34:41.840 everyone was concerned

00:34:42.900 about this

00:34:43.340 when it came to MySpace

00:34:44.220 but what happened

00:34:45.000 something

00:34:45.840 I guess

00:34:46.760 slightly better

00:34:47.480 came along

00:34:48.260 and we

00:34:49.080 and we all

00:34:49.680 jump ship

00:34:50.260 speaking with

00:34:51.900 the privilege

00:34:52.360 and confidence

00:34:53.280 of a white

00:34:53.900 Christian man

00:34:54.860 speaking of

00:34:55.820 white Christians 0.79

00:34:56.580 white Christians 0.79

00:34:59.760 now comprise

00:35:00.560 only 43%

00:35:02.260 of the population

00:35:03.080 for the first time

00:35:04.020 ever

00:35:04.220 a minority

00:35:04.900 according to

00:35:06.140 the Public Religion

00:35:07.180 Research Institute

00:35:08.060 four decades ago

00:35:09.220 that number

00:35:09.640 was over 80%

00:35:11.060 this is a huge

00:35:12.220 decline

00:35:12.700 Amanda and I

00:35:14.220 are obviously

00:35:14.860 a little swarthy

00:35:15.600 probably to count

00:35:16.640 and roaming

00:35:17.580 is slightly Asiatic

00:35:18.700 but Jacob

00:35:19.700 you are now

00:35:21.080 a minority

00:35:21.660 should you be

00:35:22.940 entitled to

00:35:23.660 affirmative action

00:35:24.640 protections

00:35:25.220 oh absolutely

00:35:26.900 no I'm just kidding

00:35:28.080 I know you'd say that

00:35:29.020 but

00:35:29.720 from my perspective

00:35:31.700 as a

00:35:32.520 as a Christian

00:35:33.280 I'm not too

00:35:34.100 too concerned

00:35:34.980 with this

00:35:35.500 to me

00:35:36.200 it seemed more

00:35:36.680 like it's a label

00:35:37.560 thing

00:35:37.880 so people aren't

00:35:38.540 wanting to label

00:35:39.360 themselves

00:35:39.860 as mainline

00:35:41.220 Protestants

00:35:41.980 or evangelicals

00:35:43.420 I certainly don't

00:35:44.080 want to label

00:35:44.480 myself either

00:35:45.160 right

00:35:46.560 well that's

00:35:47.160 and we're seeing

00:35:48.100 that kind of

00:35:49.400 go away

00:35:49.880 that labeling

00:35:50.520 system

00:35:50.860 now as far as

00:35:51.820 is white

00:35:52.800 Christianity

00:35:53.320 and decline

00:35:53.880 who cares

00:35:54.640 as long as

00:35:55.560 as me as a

00:35:56.300 Christian

00:35:56.540 as long as

00:35:57.040 as long as

00:35:57.440 white people 0.93

00:35:57.920 are in it 0.97

00:35:58.260 no I'm sorry

00:35:58.840 well no I just

00:35:59.820 mean that

00:36:00.200 for me it's more

00:36:00.920 about spreading

00:36:01.620 the faith

00:36:02.260 as a Christian

00:36:02.880 I'm more concerned

00:36:03.800 so if more people

00:36:05.040 are coming to Christ

00:36:06.020 who are not white 0.87

00:36:07.120 what do I care

00:36:08.400 to me it's all

00:36:10.020 about them

00:36:10.880 coming into the

00:36:11.760 faith

00:36:12.140 it's all about

00:36:12.980 the Jesus

00:36:13.420 roaming

00:36:14.240 will this new

00:36:15.360 minority status

00:36:16.180 for white Christians

00:36:17.280 finally throw a wrench 1.00

00:36:18.920 into these stupid 1.00

00:36:20.000 intersectional hierarchies 1.00

00:36:21.920 of victimhood

00:36:22.620 that we've been

00:36:23.480 hearing from the

00:36:24.160 left forever

00:36:24.800 and ever

00:36:25.180 or do their

00:36:26.740 feelings not care

00:36:27.500 about facts

00:36:28.060 well you know

00:36:29.600 that's an interesting

00:36:30.120 question I've thought

00:36:31.040 about that myself

00:36:32.020 a couple times too

00:36:32.900 and you know what

00:36:33.320 I don't think it's

00:36:33.880 going to change

00:36:34.380 anything because

00:36:35.080 if we look at

00:36:35.680 who the left

00:36:36.580 assigns victimhood

00:36:37.440 status to

00:36:37.940 it's not really

00:36:38.420 anyone who's

00:36:39.000 necessarily a minority

00:36:40.040 or objectively

00:36:40.860 oppressed

00:36:41.220 it's anyone

00:36:41.760 who goes against

00:36:42.840 the Christian right

00:36:43.780 right

00:36:44.580 even when it

00:36:45.320 doesn't make sense

00:36:45.900 like Islam 1.00

00:36:46.440 right

00:36:46.800 they're not

00:36:47.280 they're not a

00:36:47.800 minority on the

00:36:48.600 planet

00:36:48.940 you know

00:36:49.840 they've for the

00:36:50.640 longest time

00:36:51.400 throughout history

00:36:52.200 not been oppressed

00:36:53.420 but rather the

00:36:53.900 oppressors

00:36:54.480 and yet for some

00:36:55.220 reason they still

00:36:55.760 get victim status

00:36:56.620 so you know

00:36:57.860 that's an instance

00:36:58.420 of where it's not

00:36:59.180 really about who's

00:37:00.000 actually oppressed

00:37:00.700 or who's being

00:37:01.920 marginalized

00:37:02.280 it's just anyone

00:37:03.280 to give the middle

00:37:04.100 finger to the

00:37:04.620 Christian right

00:37:05.040 right

00:37:05.200 so even if the

00:37:06.060 Christian right

00:37:06.620 eventually becomes

00:37:07.580 themselves a minority

00:37:08.440 that doesn't mean

00:37:09.020 that regressives

00:37:09.680 are going to be

00:37:10.060 our friends

00:37:10.560 or that the left

00:37:11.760 will all of a sudden

00:37:12.460 start speaking up

00:37:13.440 for our civil liberties

00:37:14.700 now that's never

00:37:15.600 going to happen

00:37:16.040 and the smallest

00:37:16.760 minority is the 0.80

00:37:17.500 individual

00:37:17.880 and the left

00:37:18.600 can't stand

00:37:19.440 the individual

00:37:20.100 the most

00:37:20.720 Amanda

00:37:21.520 this is a major

00:37:22.800 demographic

00:37:23.520 and ideological

00:37:24.700 shift

00:37:25.260 what are the

00:37:26.740 hazards 0.99

00:37:27.240 or potential

00:37:28.240 benefits

00:37:28.620 that it presents

00:37:29.580 in American

00:37:30.180 culture

00:37:30.580 because it is

00:37:31.100 a big change

00:37:31.800 yeah

00:37:33.880 we I mean

00:37:34.760 we've seen

00:37:35.580 secularism grow 0.94

00:37:37.220 and then as people

00:37:38.080 get more secular

00:37:38.840 they look to

00:37:39.680 something to kind

00:37:40.320 of fill that void

00:37:41.100 and they look to

00:37:41.620 big government

00:37:42.340 so I think

00:37:43.300 as we're seeing

00:37:43.960 last

00:37:44.580 not just

00:37:45.940 just Christianity 0.86

00:37:46.800 but

00:37:47.260 you know

00:37:48.560 like a monotheistic

00:37:49.580 religion

00:37:50.040 as there's an

00:37:50.980 absence of that

00:37:51.760 people are looking

00:37:52.420 for something

00:37:52.940 to fill that void

00:37:53.860 and you know

00:37:55.080 that's why we're

00:37:55.520 kind of

00:37:55.800 we're seeing

00:37:56.380 a push 0.97

00:37:56.840 towards socialism

00:37:57.580 our health care

00:37:58.260 is you know

00:37:59.220 right about

00:38:00.640 to be there

00:38:01.180 so I think

00:38:03.180 that's one of

00:38:03.860 the big

00:38:04.200 repercussions

00:38:04.880 that is just

00:38:06.620 inevitable

00:38:06.960 when you have

00:38:07.640 a growing

00:38:08.080 increase

00:38:08.460 of secularism

00:38:09.240 leave it to

00:38:10.160 Amanda Prestigiacomo

00:38:11.180 to cheer

00:38:11.660 everybody up

00:38:12.440 to end on

00:38:12.960 a hopeful note

00:38:13.200 always pessimistic

00:38:14.100 every single time

00:38:15.020 okay panel

00:38:16.560 it has been

00:38:17.160 wonderful to have

00:38:18.060 you as always

00:38:18.620 roaming millennial

00:38:19.580 Amanda Prestigiacomo

00:38:20.760 and Jacob Berry

00:38:21.900 that's our whole

00:38:23.380 show for today

00:38:23.880 the whole show

00:38:24.340 is about Ben Shapiro

00:38:25.100 and I'm not going

00:38:25.620 to go give a final

00:38:26.300 thought about Ben Shapiro

00:38:27.400 so make sure you

00:38:28.340 get your mailbag

00:38:29.040 questions in

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00:38:31.440 tomorrow

00:38:31.980 so send them all

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The Michael Knowles Show - September 06, 2017

Ep. 22 - Everything You've Always Wanted To Know About Ben Shapiro (But Were Too Afraid To Ask)

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