The Michael Knowles Show - September 06, 2017


Ep. 22 - Everything You've Always Wanted To Know About Ben Shapiro (But Were Too Afraid To Ask)


Episode Stats

Length

39 minutes

Words per Minute

197.11473

Word Count

7,770

Sentence Count

197

Misogynist Sentences

19

Hate Speech Sentences

26


Summary

On today's episode, which is the same backward as it is forward, we are joined by the Big Boss himself, the slayer of leftist arguments, the repository of data, the firer of Piers Morgan, the one and only Ben Shapiro, and roaming millennial Jacob Erie and Amanda Prestigiacomo join the panel of deplorables to discuss Hillary s latest, buck stops everywhere but here finger pointing, and why White Christians can t wait for my affirmative action.


Transcript

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00:00:30.640 On today's episode, which is the same backward as it is forward,
00:00:34.640 we are joined by the big boss himself,
00:00:37.120 the slayer of leftist arguments,
00:00:39.420 the repository of data,
00:00:41.220 the firer of Piers Morgan,
00:00:43.160 the one and only Ben Shapiro.
00:00:45.360 Then, roaming millennial Jacob Erie and Amanda Prestigiacomo
00:00:48.560 join the panel of deplorables
00:00:50.120 to discuss Hillary's latest,
00:00:52.320 buck stops everywhere but here finger-pointing,
00:00:54.320 Facebook's claiming to have more data than the U.S. Census,
00:00:57.460 and the latest minority in America.
00:01:00.180 White Christians can't wait for my affirmative action.
00:01:02.900 I am Michael Knowles.
00:01:03.740 This is The Michael Knowles Show.
00:01:04.720 There is plenty that we could talk about today.
00:01:14.520 There's so much news.
00:01:15.860 There's the DACA stuff.
00:01:17.340 There's always the latest Trump shenanigans,
00:01:19.200 and I don't want to talk about any of it
00:01:20.760 because we are joined in studio,
00:01:22.820 in the broom closet of the Ben Shapiro Show,
00:01:25.780 by the one and only Ben Shapiro.
00:01:27.460 God help us, man.
00:01:28.200 Ben, I want to go back to the very beginning.
00:01:32.820 I want to go all the way through.
00:01:34.660 I want everything that you've always wanted to know
00:01:36.700 about Ben Shapiro,
00:01:37.440 but we're too afraid to ask.
00:01:39.000 And so, to start at the very beginning,
00:01:41.360 I think we need to begin with this clip.
00:01:43.980 Ladies and gentlemen, Benjamin Shapiro.
00:01:46.200 I'm sorry, it's just so beautiful.
00:02:16.200 Thank you.
00:02:17.040 To watch that.
00:02:18.240 For those who weren't watching,
00:02:20.160 that would be, what, six or seven-year-old Ben Shapiro?
00:02:23.400 No, no, no, I was little, man.
00:02:24.560 I was like 11 or 12.
00:02:27.000 That was, there's an 11 or 12-year-old Ben Shapiro
00:02:29.780 playing violin, playing Fiddler on the Roof
00:02:33.040 over sobbing Democrats.
00:02:34.740 Schindler's List, technically, yeah.
00:02:35.980 That's right.
00:02:36.660 Schindler's List, perfect.
00:02:37.740 The Holocaust movie's perfect, yeah.
00:02:39.340 Over these sobbing Democrats.
00:02:41.460 Really beautiful stuff, really hard.
00:02:42.860 Thank you, I appreciate it.
00:02:43.800 So, in there, you're as little as you can be.
00:02:47.400 You've always been a conservative.
00:02:48.960 You popped out of the womb a conservative.
00:02:50.500 Yes.
00:02:51.180 I was never a neocon, right?
00:02:53.260 Except that I'm Jewish.
00:02:53.980 But aside from that.
00:02:54.820 I thought neocon just means Jew.
00:02:56.160 That's what I thought as well,
00:02:57.160 but it turns out not.
00:02:58.140 So I was never on the left.
00:02:59.700 I was always very conservative.
00:03:01.580 I mean, I had my syndicated column
00:03:02.740 on conservative politics when I was 17.
00:03:05.360 I started UCLA when I was 16,
00:03:07.380 and the first thing that...
00:03:09.020 I thought I was going to major in biology and music
00:03:11.000 because of that.
00:03:12.180 And then I walked on...
00:03:13.340 Because of the tiers to study.
00:03:14.320 Yeah, exactly.
00:03:14.620 The tiers going, that's a good combination.
00:03:16.260 And then I saw a newspaper on campus.
00:03:19.020 I opened it up.
00:03:19.540 There was an editorial comparing Ariel Sharon,
00:03:21.080 the prime minister of Israel,
00:03:21.900 to Adolf Eichmann, the Nazi.
00:03:23.200 So I walked into the office of the Daily Bruin,
00:03:24.920 and I said,
00:03:25.220 I'd like to write a piece rebutting that.
00:03:27.020 And they said, sure.
00:03:28.340 And so that turned into me doing
00:03:29.980 a point-counterpoint column
00:03:31.000 and then a regular column,
00:03:32.040 and then I sort of applied cold
00:03:33.360 to Creator Syndicate,
00:03:34.520 which syndicated at the time,
00:03:36.140 like Molly Ivins on the left
00:03:37.200 and David Limbaugh and Michelle Malkin on the right.
00:03:38.980 And they called me back like three weeks later
00:03:41.120 and said they wanted to do
00:03:42.120 a weekly column with me.
00:03:43.340 They didn't actually know how old I was.
00:03:44.640 So they were surprised that my parents
00:03:45.560 had to sign the contract
00:03:46.440 because I was underage.
00:03:47.400 Wow.
00:03:47.840 So that was cool.
00:03:48.720 So what is...
00:03:49.660 You come out of the womb
00:03:50.780 playing for Larry King
00:03:52.140 and making leftists cry.
00:03:54.100 What are the primary influences
00:03:56.160 on your politics?
00:03:56.940 Obviously, I know your family.
00:03:58.340 There are not a lot of Democrats there.
00:03:59.940 That's right.
00:04:00.540 Is it some...
00:04:01.920 Is it mostly the family?
00:04:03.440 Is it reading you did?
00:04:05.080 Is it just a disposition that you have?
00:04:07.740 So I do think that there is
00:04:09.480 something dispositional.
00:04:10.540 I mean, I'm by nature a pessimist,
00:04:12.000 but I think that...
00:04:13.920 My parents obviously played
00:04:16.240 a very heavy role in my politics,
00:04:18.560 particularly social politics,
00:04:19.800 but as far as economics,
00:04:22.720 that's just reading.
00:04:24.280 That's self-education.
00:04:25.500 And foreign policy,
00:04:27.820 I was always very hawkish.
00:04:28.960 But I think it really is
00:04:29.780 that I have a very moralistic streak
00:04:31.100 and it's very difficult
00:04:31.720 to be a lefty
00:04:32.380 and have a strong moralistic streak,
00:04:34.320 a belief in personal responsibility.
00:04:36.060 When you think about
00:04:36.360 sort of deep beliefs,
00:04:37.580 that's sort of the root
00:04:39.040 of my entire philosophy,
00:04:40.380 rests on personal accountability
00:04:41.880 and responsibility.
00:04:43.100 Very difficult to be
00:04:43.940 a member of the left
00:04:44.500 and believe that
00:04:45.420 that is the core of your goal,
00:04:47.280 is to be personally responsible
00:04:48.680 for your own conduct.
00:04:49.340 And you bring up a key phrase,
00:04:51.040 which is self-teaching.
00:04:52.460 Yes.
00:04:52.660 Because presumably,
00:04:53.600 you're not reading Hayek
00:04:54.580 in high school
00:04:55.680 or any of these other thinkers.
00:04:57.780 Right.
00:04:58.100 Who are...
00:04:59.160 Same thing for me,
00:05:00.060 same thing for most conservatives
00:05:00.980 I know,
00:05:01.580 is we got reading lists
00:05:03.180 outside of regular curriculum.
00:05:05.360 Who are the readers
00:05:06.240 that most...
00:05:07.280 Or the writers, rather,
00:05:08.300 who most affected your thinking?
00:05:09.940 So on economics,
00:05:11.400 the number one book
00:05:12.520 I always recommend,
00:05:13.280 and it's great for high school students,
00:05:14.380 is Henry Hazlitt's
00:05:15.160 Economics in One Lesson.
00:05:16.080 That's great.
00:05:16.380 It's just a beautifully short read.
00:05:17.880 It's like 170 pages
00:05:18.880 and very well written
00:05:19.800 and very clear.
00:05:20.840 And then Sowell on economics
00:05:22.220 and then Sowell on issues
00:05:23.940 of general cosmic significance.
00:05:26.500 I mean,
00:05:26.620 The Quest for Cosmic Justice
00:05:27.460 is an excellent book.
00:05:28.540 So Sowell's thinking.
00:05:30.100 I think later Hayek
00:05:31.220 and some more sophisticated writers.
00:05:34.900 But those were the earliest iterations.
00:05:37.720 But it depends topic by topic.
00:05:39.500 So those are mostly economic,
00:05:41.100 although Sowell writes about everything.
00:05:42.700 Right, exactly.
00:05:44.080 What about on...
00:05:45.220 political philosophy writ large?
00:05:48.800 You know,
00:05:49.140 the Russell Kirk,
00:05:50.580 Edmund Burke,
00:05:51.120 that whole crew.
00:05:51.600 Yeah, so I'm actually not
00:05:52.540 a huge Russell Kirk fan,
00:05:54.240 believe it or not.
00:05:54.760 I think conservative mind
00:05:55.520 is more dispositional
00:05:56.460 than it is positional.
00:05:58.980 Meaning that it is...
00:06:00.100 It's more about
00:06:00.760 your disposition toward politics
00:06:02.600 and you sort of want
00:06:03.460 to keep things where they are
00:06:04.520 as opposed to change.
00:06:06.220 It's very Burke-ian.
00:06:07.380 I mean, obviously,
00:06:07.840 Kirk based his work on Burke.
00:06:09.720 Mostly because they rhymed.
00:06:10.780 Yeah, exactly.
00:06:11.180 Few people know that.
00:06:12.060 I'm less a Burke-ian guy
00:06:13.840 than I am
00:06:14.400 a revolutionary theorist guy.
00:06:17.300 So Burke is much more
00:06:18.500 of a conservative case
00:06:19.200 against the French Revolution
00:06:20.200 and I'm much more in line
00:06:22.280 with sort of
00:06:22.920 Locke-ian political philosophy.
00:06:24.780 And Burke was sort of
00:06:26.180 lukewarm on that
00:06:27.820 as opposed to being
00:06:29.100 a thoroughgoing Locke-ian.
00:06:30.960 That is interesting.
00:06:32.500 There was this book
00:06:33.420 by Yuval Levin
00:06:34.300 comparing Burke and Payne.
00:06:36.840 And the answer
00:06:37.640 for any American conservative
00:06:38.900 is you have a little bit of both.
00:06:40.680 Right, exactly.
00:06:41.440 Locke is sort of halfway
00:06:42.080 in between those two.
00:06:43.340 And that's where the founders,
00:06:44.840 I think, lived.
00:06:45.820 I think it's where
00:06:46.120 they spend most of their time
00:06:46.860 with Locke and Montesquieu.
00:06:48.220 And Burke was a little bit later
00:06:49.200 and Payne was considered radical
00:06:50.940 by most of the founders.
00:06:52.340 So that's,
00:06:53.340 in terms of political philosophy,
00:06:55.180 that's where I started.
00:06:56.560 And if you want to show
00:06:57.600 your kids a movie
00:06:58.100 that will actually get you
00:06:58.880 in that mode,
00:06:59.440 then watch 1776.
00:07:00.720 Great movie about
00:07:01.560 founding philosophy
00:07:02.360 where they actually discuss
00:07:03.720 these sorts of ideas
00:07:04.500 and enshrine them.
00:07:05.540 So you're young,
00:07:08.240 you know what you think,
00:07:09.080 you're super smart
00:07:10.260 at this young age,
00:07:11.180 you're playing for Larry King,
00:07:12.320 you're doing all these things.
00:07:13.620 How do you survive
00:07:14.840 on two levels?
00:07:16.500 One, just interpersonally,
00:07:18.460 you're clearly ahead
00:07:19.940 of your classmates,
00:07:21.860 let's say.
00:07:22.580 And then in this culture,
00:07:25.260 in a culture that
00:07:26.200 perhaps does not encourage
00:07:28.060 the sort of thinking
00:07:28.880 that you have
00:07:29.620 and the sort of activities
00:07:30.640 that you pursue
00:07:31.360 and the religiosity
00:07:32.460 that you have.
00:07:32.960 So I think that there are
00:07:33.940 a few things
00:07:34.640 that play into that.
00:07:35.500 The first is that
00:07:36.080 I had to grow a thick skin
00:07:37.460 pretty young
00:07:38.040 because being orthodox,
00:07:40.200 being a lot smaller
00:07:40.720 than everybody
00:07:41.080 because I was a lot younger
00:07:41.880 and smaller than everybody.
00:07:43.720 And I was in
00:07:45.180 and out of public school.
00:07:45.920 So it wasn't like
00:07:46.300 I went to private school
00:07:47.100 my entire life.
00:07:48.160 I spent all the way
00:07:49.460 through fourth grade
00:07:50.000 in public school
00:07:50.700 in seventh and eighth grade.
00:07:53.080 I was in public school
00:07:54.160 and then I was in private school
00:07:55.420 for high school.
00:07:56.360 But when I was in
00:07:57.180 seventh and eighth grade,
00:07:57.840 particularly,
00:07:58.520 that was a time
00:07:58.960 when my parents
00:07:59.380 had already become orthodox
00:08:00.300 and we were already orthodox
00:08:01.540 and I was a lot shorter
00:08:02.760 than everybody else.
00:08:03.500 Were you always orthodox?
00:08:04.480 No.
00:08:05.000 My parents became
00:08:05.840 fully orthodox
00:08:06.420 when I was like 11.
00:08:07.320 So I remember eating at KFC.
00:08:08.720 Oh.
00:08:09.360 And yeah.
00:08:10.540 That's the thorn in your side
00:08:11.780 that St. Paul would write about.
00:08:13.320 That's gotta be tough.
00:08:13.700 The kosher eating is difficult.
00:08:15.420 I mean,
00:08:15.660 I can't tell you
00:08:16.520 how many great restaurants
00:08:17.260 I've gone to
00:08:17.660 and just looked at the food.
00:08:19.200 It happens all the time now.
00:08:21.080 And like I went to dinner
00:08:22.080 at somebody's house
00:08:23.780 the other night
00:08:24.280 and this is a very,
00:08:25.220 very wealthy person.
00:08:25.980 They had their own chef
00:08:26.660 in their house
00:08:27.160 and I said,
00:08:28.240 well, I can't eat any of your food
00:08:29.080 and we're gonna pick up dinner beforehand
00:08:30.020 so they're eating
00:08:30.660 like some filet mignon
00:08:31.780 and I bought like a burger
00:08:33.200 from the local kosher stand
00:08:34.420 meeting on a paper plate
00:08:35.300 at their house.
00:08:36.260 So there's some of that
00:08:37.080 but I was shorter than everybody
00:08:40.960 in middle school
00:08:41.920 which some of them would say
00:08:43.140 that hasn't changed.
00:08:44.720 That's Twitter.
00:08:45.680 Twitter, what do you think?
00:08:46.400 That's exactly right.
00:08:47.060 We're sitting down.
00:08:47.540 We're not gonna stand up.
00:08:48.340 Four foot three.
00:08:49.480 And so that started,
00:08:52.440 I was bullied a little bit
00:08:53.980 in public school.
00:08:54.560 I was actually relentlessly
00:08:55.340 bullied in high school
00:08:55.920 because I had skipped two grades
00:08:56.900 so I was now much younger
00:08:58.160 than all the other kids
00:08:58.960 and so I was brutally bullied
00:09:00.180 in high school
00:09:00.600 and you can react one of two ways.
00:09:02.220 You can either sort of
00:09:02.700 crawl into your shell
00:09:03.420 or you can basically say F you.
00:09:06.140 Yeah, you did not crawl
00:09:06.960 into your shell.
00:09:07.480 Yeah, exactly
00:09:07.840 and grow a thick skin
00:09:08.900 and so I think it was actually
00:09:10.320 a good testing ground
00:09:12.360 for growing a thick skin
00:09:13.140 because in this business
00:09:13.920 you better have a thick skin
00:09:14.900 and so by the time
00:09:15.380 I got to college,
00:09:16.040 this was cake.
00:09:16.600 I mean, I was treated better
00:09:17.260 in college than I was
00:09:17.960 in high school.
00:09:18.980 You know, like I was
00:09:19.540 regularly physically abused
00:09:21.840 in high school
00:09:22.480 so once you got to college
00:09:24.420 it was like,
00:09:25.580 wow, everybody's leaving me alone
00:09:26.540 and we can actually
00:09:27.120 talk about things.
00:09:27.780 This is nice.
00:09:28.340 I kind of like this.
00:09:28.860 You're beaten up
00:09:29.240 much less frequently
00:09:30.360 when you're in
00:09:31.040 a university setting.
00:09:32.600 Exactly.
00:09:33.120 So not without occasion.
00:09:34.840 Yeah, well now I have to risk it
00:09:36.360 more than I did
00:09:36.820 when I was in college
00:09:37.460 but yeah, that's exactly right.
00:09:39.240 Now, it's interesting
00:09:40.440 to bring up the religiosity,
00:09:41.840 the conversion to orthodoxy
00:09:43.320 for your family
00:09:43.920 because I think
00:09:45.200 there's a prevailing ethos
00:09:47.320 that religious people
00:09:48.480 are a little stupider
00:09:49.920 or naive
00:09:50.640 or unthoughtful
00:09:52.240 or intentionally unthoughtful.
00:09:54.720 In my own experience,
00:09:56.700 I find people
00:09:57.900 who are not educated
00:09:59.040 or necessarily intelligent
00:10:00.540 can be quite religious
00:10:01.780 and I've found
00:10:03.020 that people
00:10:03.580 who are extraordinarily
00:10:05.020 intelligent or educated
00:10:06.660 can be quite religious
00:10:07.880 and often are
00:10:08.640 and then there's
00:10:09.500 this middle ground
00:10:10.160 of total atheism.
00:10:11.460 Yeah, I think that's right
00:10:12.120 and I think the reason
00:10:13.240 that's right
00:10:13.580 is because a lot of people
00:10:14.580 who are hardcore atheists,
00:10:15.960 I'm not talking about agnostics
00:10:17.260 because I think
00:10:17.660 the only evidence-based position
00:10:18.800 on God is agnosticism
00:10:19.920 because there's no other evidence
00:10:22.820 of any,
00:10:23.460 like you can go either way
00:10:24.480 but as far as
00:10:25.800 kind of hardcore atheists,
00:10:26.760 a lot of atheists
00:10:27.560 who are very hardcore
00:10:28.540 and very vocal about it,
00:10:29.840 they seem to think
00:10:30.360 they're the first people
00:10:31.000 who ever figured out
00:10:31.900 that like a virgin birth
00:10:33.560 is kind of unlikely
00:10:34.580 or that God speaking
00:10:35.760 from a mountaintop
00:10:36.500 is kind of weird.
00:10:37.360 Like they're the first people
00:10:38.120 this ever occurred to
00:10:38.960 in the history of humanity.
00:10:40.200 Like it's brand new,
00:10:40.920 no one's ever thought of this
00:10:41.660 or they'll talk about
00:10:42.740 the problem of theodicy
00:10:43.600 and they'll sit around going,
00:10:45.080 well, you know,
00:10:45.360 I had a friend
00:10:45.820 who died of cancer
00:10:46.520 when they were young.
00:10:47.040 How could a good God
00:10:47.660 allow this?
00:10:48.580 I mean, I'll bet you
00:10:49.180 no religious thinkers
00:10:49.820 ever talked about that.
00:10:51.120 It's like there's
00:10:51.720 2,500 years of religious thought
00:10:54.340 on exactly this topic.
00:10:55.480 It is incredible
00:10:56.160 that people will bring up
00:10:57.200 this question
00:10:57.860 as a trump card.
00:11:00.260 Right.
00:11:00.400 They'll say,
00:11:01.020 well, why would a good God
00:11:02.200 let bad things happen?
00:11:03.180 And you think,
00:11:03.720 you're not asking me that.
00:11:05.040 You could Google it
00:11:05.760 and you would get
00:11:06.400 eternal books about this.
00:11:08.160 Right, and they may not
00:11:08.900 satisfy you
00:11:09.400 but the idea
00:11:09.720 that there's no sort
00:11:10.380 of explanation for that
00:11:11.440 that any religious person
00:11:12.320 has ever thought,
00:11:12.800 like they expect me
00:11:13.660 to convert on the spot.
00:11:14.820 You're right,
00:11:15.120 now I'm an atheist
00:11:15.640 because you dropped that on me.
00:11:17.080 No, I mean,
00:11:17.880 most religious people
00:11:19.120 have doubts.
00:11:20.460 Most religious people
00:11:21.220 understand there's a difference
00:11:22.200 between faith and knowledge.
00:11:23.840 That's why it's called faith.
00:11:25.140 That's why it's called belief.
00:11:26.040 You're a believer, right?
00:11:26.820 You're not a knower.
00:11:27.500 You're a believer.
00:11:28.360 And there's a clip of me
00:11:29.080 saying that I know in God
00:11:30.180 but I didn't say I know God, right?
00:11:31.600 I say I know in God
00:11:32.420 because no human being
00:11:33.180 is capable of knowing God.
00:11:34.580 I know the place of humanity
00:11:35.960 in the world
00:11:36.360 because I believe
00:11:37.080 there is a God
00:11:37.660 but I think that
00:11:38.420 that is a different standard
00:11:40.320 than religious person
00:11:41.860 who never even thinks
00:11:42.680 about whether God exists
00:11:43.740 or what God wants from us.
00:11:45.120 I think that
00:11:45.460 it's written right
00:11:47.200 into the Bible.
00:11:47.920 I mean, I think that
00:11:48.460 the key moment
00:11:49.260 in biblical history
00:11:50.760 there are a bunch of them
00:11:51.720 that people sort of point out
00:11:52.660 in the Old Testament anyway.
00:11:53.820 The key moment for Christians
00:11:54.680 is very easy
00:11:55.140 but for Jews
00:11:55.980 there are a couple
00:11:56.680 There's just one.
00:11:57.280 I guess two.
00:11:57.860 There's the birth
00:11:58.420 and the death
00:11:59.740 and resurrection
00:12:00.280 but it's very simple
00:12:01.580 It really boils down
00:12:02.480 in the sequel
00:12:03.140 in the sequel
00:12:03.520 they really boil it down
00:12:04.360 but in the original
00:12:05.240 there are a few different
00:12:07.400 there are a few different
00:12:08.240 sort of points
00:12:08.780 that people use
00:12:09.220 as inflection points
00:12:10.140 sacrifice of Isaac
00:12:11.120 the exodus from Egypt
00:12:12.880 but I think that
00:12:13.540 the real key moment
00:12:14.260 is a quieter moment
00:12:15.160 because this is the moment
00:12:15.940 when Israel is actually founded
00:12:18.160 and that is the wrestling match
00:12:19.640 between Jacob and the angel
00:12:20.800 right?
00:12:21.320 That's when Jacob's name
00:12:22.120 is switched to Israel
00:12:23.140 that's the first time
00:12:23.820 that Israel is used
00:12:24.660 in the Bible
00:12:25.220 and that becomes
00:12:26.580 the foundation
00:12:27.020 of all of religion
00:12:27.800 and Yisrael literally means
00:12:30.600 struggle with God
00:12:31.860 right?
00:12:32.180 It says right in the
00:12:33.500 Chumash
00:12:34.420 it says right there
00:12:34.940 in the Bible
00:12:35.320 that this means
00:12:36.080 and you struggled
00:12:37.100 with God and overcame
00:12:37.920 that's what religious
00:12:39.060 people do every day
00:12:39.740 we struggle with
00:12:40.480 the goodness of God
00:12:41.620 the presence of God
00:12:42.620 the imminence of God
00:12:43.520 we struggle with that
00:12:44.300 all the time
00:12:44.720 if you're not struggling
00:12:45.360 you're not thinking about it
00:12:46.420 and God wants you
00:12:47.300 to struggle with that
00:12:47.980 because if you're struggling
00:12:48.860 with it
00:12:49.280 then it means there's
00:12:49.920 a baseline level of belief
00:12:51.480 you don't struggle
00:12:52.060 with things that you think
00:12:52.760 are imaginary
00:12:53.180 you don't struggle
00:12:53.680 with Santa Claus
00:12:54.420 or the Easter money
00:12:55.060 but you do struggle
00:12:55.800 with your wife
00:12:56.280 you struggle with your family
00:12:57.320 people that you love
00:12:58.960 that you have a relationship
00:13:00.300 with
00:13:00.520 exactly
00:13:00.880 do you think
00:13:03.100 because all the time
00:13:04.300 we hear
00:13:04.800 especially from young
00:13:05.620 conservatives
00:13:06.080 well I'm fiscally
00:13:07.680 conservative
00:13:08.180 but socially liberal
00:13:09.060 well I'm
00:13:10.480 I just want to focus
00:13:12.040 on policy that works
00:13:13.260 and there seems to be
00:13:15.020 a metaphysical
00:13:16.300 ignorance
00:13:17.420 or a neglect
00:13:18.720 of metaphysics
00:13:19.460 I agree
00:13:20.020 do you think
00:13:20.820 that there needs
00:13:21.500 to be
00:13:22.100 a metaphysical
00:13:23.580 basis
00:13:24.860 for conservatism
00:13:26.140 I think
00:13:26.740 that if you want
00:13:27.040 to think it through
00:13:27.500 for more than five minutes
00:13:28.200 yes
00:13:28.420 because I think
00:13:29.180 that you can live
00:13:29.660 in the political world
00:13:30.460 and not really think
00:13:31.080 about the bases
00:13:31.560 of your thought
00:13:32.120 but I mean
00:13:33.000 it's fascinating
00:13:33.900 always when you talk
00:13:34.620 to people
00:13:34.980 who aren't religious
00:13:36.140 or who disparage
00:13:37.240 the Judeo-Christian tradition
00:13:38.220 upon which this entire
00:13:39.060 culture was built
00:13:39.640 and they'll use
00:13:41.300 Judeo-Christian terms
00:13:42.240 right
00:13:42.420 they'll use Judeo-Christian
00:13:43.260 definitions of good
00:13:44.060 and evil
00:13:44.400 they'll use Judeo-Christian
00:13:45.360 notions of rights
00:13:46.320 that don't exist
00:13:47.200 in the absence
00:13:47.720 of Judeo-Christian culture
00:13:48.960 right
00:13:49.140 they don't exist
00:13:49.520 anywhere else
00:13:50.040 on planet earth
00:13:50.600 for all time
00:13:51.140 and the idea
00:13:53.780 that you haven't
00:13:54.260 really thought
00:13:54.640 these things through
00:13:55.560 it's dangerous
00:13:57.300 I mean
00:13:57.600 every political philosophy
00:13:59.180 is based on
00:13:59.680 a certain conception
00:14:00.360 of human nature
00:14:01.120 and humanity's
00:14:02.560 place in the world
00:14:03.160 and human value
00:14:04.120 more than anything else
00:14:05.000 I mean
00:14:05.160 the foundational statement
00:14:06.040 for all of western civilization
00:14:07.060 is the very beginning
00:14:08.480 of Genesis
00:14:08.840 that man is made
00:14:10.460 in God's image
00:14:10.960 once you do that
00:14:11.840 you can talk about
00:14:12.360 the value of man
00:14:13.140 the rights of man
00:14:14.180 what is man put here
00:14:15.860 to do
00:14:16.260 but if you don't believe
00:14:17.180 any of that
00:14:17.580 if you just believe
00:14:18.080 that man is sort of
00:14:18.720 a random assemblage
00:14:19.440 of atoms
00:14:19.920 that happened along
00:14:20.840 you know
00:14:21.480 because the universe
00:14:22.800 is random
00:14:23.240 there are lots
00:14:23.700 of iterations of it
00:14:24.600 then I find a hard time
00:14:27.460 making the moral argument
00:14:28.680 against for example
00:14:29.520 things like slavery
00:14:31.000 or abortion
00:14:31.900 or tyranny
00:14:33.380 or murder even
00:14:35.160 I mean like
00:14:35.600 or capital punishment
00:14:36.780 on the flip side
00:14:37.400 capital punishment
00:14:37.780 I mean if you are
00:14:38.800 basically just an ant
00:14:40.420 unless you're a Jainist
00:14:41.200 and you believe
00:14:41.540 all forms of life
00:14:42.520 should equally be protected
00:14:43.520 but that's a religion too
00:14:44.700 if you believe
00:14:45.360 like a secular version of that
00:14:46.440 then okay
00:14:47.060 I guess I buy it
00:14:47.760 but otherwise
00:14:48.220 you have to explain
00:14:49.180 what makes human beings special
00:14:50.300 and why is that specialness
00:14:51.340 worthy of protection
00:14:52.080 it does lead to this
00:14:53.320 what it seems to me
00:14:54.560 disingenuous determinism
00:14:56.140 that seems to me
00:14:57.020 the logical conclusion
00:14:58.040 of that materialist thinking
00:14:59.780 but
00:15:00.140 and disingenuous
00:15:01.160 is the right word
00:15:01.700 because I think
00:15:02.140 that what ends up happening
00:15:03.300 it's very weird
00:15:04.020 is when you talk to
00:15:04.700 a lot of people
00:15:05.560 who are atheists
00:15:06.540 like I read Sam Harris' books
00:15:07.720 and I've met Sam
00:15:08.440 and I think Sam's a smart guy
00:15:09.380 and when I read
00:15:11.660 what Sam has to say
00:15:12.700 a lot of what he has to say
00:15:14.260 is based on
00:15:14.860 just an assumption
00:15:16.160 of free will
00:15:16.840 there's an assumption
00:15:17.720 that you can choose otherwise
00:15:18.800 that you are in control
00:15:19.720 of your own life
00:15:20.380 and that you should live
00:15:21.140 a moral life
00:15:21.760 that he has constructed
00:15:22.560 for you his version
00:15:23.420 of what morality looks like
00:15:24.580 Alan Dershowitz
00:15:25.280 sort of has a similar model
00:15:26.320 and the problem is
00:15:27.720 where are you getting
00:15:28.360 this free will stuff
00:15:29.360 in a materialistic universe
00:15:30.580 in which you're just
00:15:31.400 a random assemblage of atoms
00:15:32.460 like where is this free will
00:15:33.420 coming from
00:15:34.020 where do you get that
00:15:35.340 and how do you square that
00:15:36.240 with a materialist version
00:15:37.260 of reality
00:15:38.100 you know
00:15:38.680 I think that the best proof
00:15:39.580 of God
00:15:40.120 I've always said this
00:15:40.700 I think the best proof
00:15:41.380 of God to me
00:15:42.180 is our own
00:15:43.520 is sort of a Cartesian notion
00:15:45.360 that you are a thinker
00:15:46.680 you are a being
00:15:47.580 I can acknowledge myself
00:15:49.100 in my world
00:15:49.620 you are a self
00:15:50.640 you're not just a random
00:15:51.440 assemblage of stuff
00:15:52.300 that wakes up new
00:15:53.160 every morning
00:15:53.700 and that if you
00:15:55.080 have a hamburger
00:15:55.780 you're a different person
00:15:56.460 than you were one minute before
00:15:57.520 because you just put
00:15:58.100 some new stuff in your body
00:15:59.100 right
00:15:59.280 the notion that you are
00:16:01.080 a coherent human being
00:16:03.540 with the capacity to think
00:16:05.160 and the capacity
00:16:06.120 to control your behavior
00:16:07.100 and the capacity to change
00:16:08.380 that's the basis
00:16:09.500 of all of civilization
00:16:10.180 you take away that
00:16:10.980 basic Augustinian notion
00:16:12.300 of free will
00:16:12.740 and it's all over
00:16:13.320 I couldn't agree more
00:16:14.980 so you've read all the books
00:16:16.880 you've read St. Augustine
00:16:18.300 and Descartes
00:16:18.860 and all these people
00:16:19.520 most people haven't read
00:16:20.860 all the books
00:16:21.300 if you're a young conservative
00:16:23.480 either you're on campus
00:16:24.720 or you're in high school
00:16:25.340 or something
00:16:25.740 you want to join
00:16:27.380 the vast right-wing conspiracy
00:16:28.760 you want to get your card
00:16:29.920 I keep mine in my wallet
00:16:30.960 all the time
00:16:31.560 what should you do
00:16:33.800 what should you
00:16:34.900 and I don't just mean
00:16:36.620 what books you should read
00:16:37.380 obviously you should do that too
00:16:38.560 but what should the
00:16:39.900 would-be young conservative
00:16:40.960 be doing right now
00:16:41.980 well I mean I think the first thing
00:16:43.220 you should do is work hard
00:16:44.200 I think working hard
00:16:44.960 is basically the first notion
00:16:46.300 in any conservative philosophy
00:16:48.540 if you are willing to work hard
00:16:50.360 for your own betterment
00:16:51.160 then you're already moving
00:16:52.320 in the right direction politically
00:16:53.220 because you're an individual
00:16:54.120 who feels you need to better yourself
00:16:55.360 you're not just
00:16:56.140 a piece of garbage
00:16:58.660 in a collection
00:16:59.260 so if you value yourself
00:17:00.980 enough to work hard
00:17:01.640 then I think that you're going to
00:17:02.420 move in a conservative direction
00:17:03.460 sort of automatically
00:17:04.720 I think that
00:17:05.980 in terms of reading
00:17:07.020 obviously you should read
00:17:08.120 the same texts
00:17:08.700 that were good enough for Lincoln
00:17:09.920 I mean if you read
00:17:11.080 the Bible and Shakespeare
00:17:12.180 and follow that up
00:17:12.880 with the Federalist Papers
00:17:13.680 I think you start with those three
00:17:14.800 and you'll be in pretty good shape
00:17:16.760 a root respect for Western civilization
00:17:18.840 lies at the core
00:17:19.860 of conservative philosophy
00:17:21.760 which is why
00:17:22.280 there is something
00:17:23.220 we want to conserve
00:17:24.000 and something the left
00:17:24.900 wants to tear down
00:17:25.800 so if you have a respect
00:17:27.060 for these institutions
00:17:28.480 of Western civilization
00:17:29.460 and you say yes
00:17:30.280 they were flawed
00:17:30.840 and yes it's our goal
00:17:31.680 to perfect them
00:17:32.440 and make sure
00:17:33.200 that the original aspirations
00:17:34.560 are fulfilled
00:17:35.280 generation over generation
00:17:37.140 improved over time
00:17:38.200 then we can make pure
00:17:40.440 what we were given
00:17:41.480 but that's not quite the same thing
00:17:43.240 as what the left is saying
00:17:44.040 which is that what we were given
00:17:44.680 is garbage
00:17:45.060 and if we just discard that
00:17:46.040 we can build something brand new
00:17:47.200 just wait till I get my hands on it
00:17:49.500 I'm going to do great
00:17:50.340 yeah exactly
00:17:50.960 the last couple centuries
00:17:52.000 as someone said to me
00:17:53.620 on Sunday night
00:17:54.980 the last couple centuries
00:17:56.120 have been very poor proof
00:17:57.680 of the idea that secular humanism
00:17:59.540 has a great record
00:18:00.900 in remaking man
00:18:01.920 in a positive direction
00:18:03.180 like that argument
00:18:03.880 would have swung a lot better
00:18:04.980 in 1788
00:18:06.300 before the French Revolution
00:18:07.840 works a lot better
00:18:08.440 we have to talk
00:18:10.580 a little bit about politics
00:18:11.780 before I get to
00:18:12.820 the lightning round
00:18:13.820 the Ben Shapiro lightning round
00:18:15.120 which is what I'm most excited for
00:18:16.420 only someone
00:18:17.620 of Ben Shapiro's
00:18:18.600 linguistic speed
00:18:19.960 and thoughtful speed
00:18:22.180 could answer
00:18:23.000 all 25 questions
00:18:24.140 this quickly
00:18:24.700 but before we get to that
00:18:25.860 before we get to that
00:18:28.680 I'm frustrated
00:18:31.420 at all these DACA headlines
00:18:32.660 because I think
00:18:33.600 a lot of people
00:18:34.160 are missing the point
00:18:34.900 some of the politicians
00:18:35.900 making decisions
00:18:37.640 about this
00:18:38.100 are missing the point
00:18:38.780 the implication
00:18:40.820 I think from the left
00:18:41.600 is that
00:18:42.100 any decision
00:18:43.620 to reduce
00:18:44.320 either legal
00:18:45.040 or illegal immigration
00:18:45.980 is racist
00:18:46.640 but certainly
00:18:47.580 to reduce
00:18:48.220 legal immigration
00:18:49.160 and we hear
00:18:49.940 the alt-right guys
00:18:50.820 making fairly racist
00:18:51.960 points themselves
00:18:52.720 on this topic
00:18:53.460 what is the
00:18:54.900 non-racist argument
00:18:56.260 to reduce
00:18:56.880 legal immigration
00:18:57.600 so the
00:18:58.200 non-racist argument
00:18:59.740 is less about
00:19:01.260 reduction
00:19:01.700 than who's coming
00:19:02.520 in the country
00:19:02.940 so there's an
00:19:05.320 economic argument
00:19:06.000 that some people make
00:19:06.680 they suggest
00:19:07.080 that we would
00:19:07.520 raise American wages
00:19:08.420 if we limited
00:19:09.020 the amount of labor
00:19:09.640 I'm not a big fan
00:19:10.580 of that argument
00:19:11.020 because it's basically
00:19:11.720 the same argument
00:19:12.320 as minimum wage
00:19:12.960 if you want to limit
00:19:13.840 the amount of labor
00:19:14.760 all you have to do
00:19:15.320 is create a legislative
00:19:16.140 create a bill
00:19:17.460 that limits
00:19:18.140 the amount of labor
00:19:18.720 you'll raise the wage
00:19:19.880 but you'll put a lot
00:19:20.440 of people out of work
00:19:21.100 and you'll destroy
00:19:22.300 the basis of the economy
00:19:23.260 but other than that
00:19:25.300 it's great
00:19:26.020 but the legal immigrant
00:19:28.420 restrictive argument
00:19:29.840 is we have a culture
00:19:31.620 worth preserving
00:19:32.320 it's a Judeo-Christian culture
00:19:33.500 you have to be prepared
00:19:35.440 to assimilate
00:19:36.000 into that culture
00:19:36.720 to even be looked at
00:19:38.060 and we as a society
00:19:39.320 have no necessary responsibility
00:19:41.260 to take in everybody
00:19:42.140 who wants to get in
00:19:43.080 unless they also
00:19:43.900 service that civilization
00:19:45.620 unless they're willing
00:19:46.440 to be participants
00:19:47.100 in that civilization
00:19:47.800 have demonstrated evidence
00:19:48.900 that they're willing
00:19:49.380 to be participants
00:19:50.380 in that civilization
00:19:51.220 that's the principled argument
00:19:53.140 and it's the argument
00:19:54.400 the alt-right constantly
00:19:55.140 gets wrong
00:19:55.520 they say it's about race
00:19:57.520 and it's not about race
00:19:58.160 it's always about culture
00:19:59.000 they equate race and culture
00:20:00.200 they're not the same thing at all
00:20:01.160 I mean
00:20:01.340 there are a bunch of
00:20:02.420 savages running around Britain
00:20:04.100 before Julius Caesar invaded
00:20:06.140 they were exactly the same
00:20:07.440 ethnic material
00:20:08.160 like a hundred years ago
00:20:09.280 right exactly
00:20:09.840 it's quite ridiculous
00:20:11.920 actually to suggest
00:20:12.760 that race
00:20:13.320 is the fundamental precursor
00:20:14.800 to civilization
00:20:15.720 when again
00:20:16.420 Italians were being
00:20:17.660 discriminated against
00:20:18.620 when they came to the United States
00:20:20.160 in the 19th century
00:20:21.520 I'm pretty swarthy
00:20:22.340 I am a fairly swarthy guy
00:20:23.820 I don't know that I meet
00:20:24.440 their criteria
00:20:24.980 and yet a lot of the people
00:20:25.880 who presumably would have been
00:20:26.800 quote-unquote alt-right
00:20:27.540 in the 19th century
00:20:28.380 and were discriminating
00:20:29.060 against Italians
00:20:29.640 were talking about
00:20:30.040 the glories of Roman civilization
00:20:31.180 so it's really not about race
00:20:33.420 it's about culture
00:20:33.780 it's a real cognitive dissonance
00:20:34.880 okay we've got to get
00:20:35.900 to this lightning round
00:20:36.640 I bet we can do it
00:20:37.540 in like two minutes
00:20:38.700 really okay
00:20:39.400 here are the dichotomies
00:20:40.920 just the first thing
00:20:41.840 that comes to your mind
00:20:42.700 at the superhuman
00:20:44.520 Shapiro speed
00:20:45.240 favorite novel
00:20:46.280 so I'll go with
00:20:49.420 I have like four or five
00:20:50.520 of them actually
00:20:50.960 so Moby Dick is my favorite
00:20:52.140 if I have to pick one
00:20:53.000 take to a desert island
00:20:53.760 it's Moby Dick
00:20:54.300 best American novel
00:20:55.500 then there are a bunch
00:20:56.120 that nobody's ever heard of
00:20:56.940 there's one called
00:20:57.380 Every Man Dies Alone
00:20:58.280 which is a terrific book
00:21:00.120 about a couple
00:21:00.820 who are living
00:21:02.620 in Nazi Germany
00:21:03.380 and they decide
00:21:04.640 to basically
00:21:05.460 put out leaflets
00:21:07.000 their son has been killed
00:21:07.760 in the war
00:21:08.080 they're Germans
00:21:08.500 their son has been killed
00:21:09.280 in the war
00:21:09.660 as a brown shirt
00:21:11.020 and they have decided
00:21:12.520 to put out leaflets
00:21:13.280 resisting Hitler
00:21:13.880 knowing it's not really
00:21:14.580 going to do any good
00:21:15.180 about their relationship
00:21:15.960 it's a terrific book
00:21:16.740 by a guy named Hans Valada
00:21:17.680 who was writing at the time
00:21:19.280 in Germany
00:21:20.160 so that's a really good book
00:21:21.540 there's another little known book
00:21:23.600 that's really enjoyable
00:21:24.500 just a fun book
00:21:25.220 it's called
00:21:25.700 The Secret of Santa Vittoria
00:21:26.640 by Robert Crichton
00:21:27.360 they made a movie out of it
00:21:28.580 that I don't think
00:21:29.580 is particularly good
00:21:30.260 but the book itself
00:21:31.400 is a really great read
00:21:33.020 and then of course
00:21:34.240 you have to add
00:21:35.260 some of the Russians
00:21:35.860 right
00:21:36.140 Crime and Punishment
00:21:37.080 Anna Karenina
00:21:38.160 but yeah
00:21:39.360 those would be
00:21:39.880 at the top of the list
00:21:40.460 alright
00:21:40.760 favorite philosopher
00:21:42.000 so I would say
00:21:45.280 either Kant or Locke
00:21:47.680 which is a real dichotomy
00:21:48.820 you can smash them both together
00:21:50.880 and try to make sense of that
00:21:51.800 I suppose
00:21:52.180 it would be kind of difficult
00:21:53.840 but it's hard
00:21:55.320 it's hard to root against Kant
00:21:56.620 Kant is pretty spectacular
00:21:57.920 although reading Kant
00:21:59.300 is brutal
00:21:59.740 just read a summary of Kant
00:22:00.680 you'll be better off
00:22:01.300 it is awful
00:22:01.880 it took me so long
00:22:03.480 and so much masochism
00:22:05.060 to get through
00:22:05.400 the critique of pure reason
00:22:06.280 it's in
00:22:06.820 you could literally
00:22:07.860 just have somebody
00:22:09.020 summarize it for you
00:22:09.820 and get as much out of it
00:22:10.980 as trying to slog your way
00:22:11.940 through 800 pages
00:22:12.800 of badly translated German
00:22:13.880 favorite color
00:22:15.600 yellow
00:22:16.940 Athens or Jerusalem
00:22:18.480 I mean that's both
00:22:21.420 I mean
00:22:21.740 Lepanto or Tours
00:22:23.140 neither
00:22:25.120 LA or DC
00:22:26.400 LA
00:22:28.120 LA or Lepanto
00:22:29.080 LA
00:22:31.280 Batman or Superman
00:22:33.060 oh
00:22:34.560 that's hard
00:22:35.800 that's the hardest one
00:22:36.440 you've given me
00:22:36.940 Batman versus Superman
00:22:38.060 if Batman killed people
00:22:40.140 Batman
00:22:40.560 perfect
00:22:44.680 favorite musical
00:22:45.900 the one that's closest
00:22:48.720 to my heart
00:22:49.180 is 1776
00:22:49.900 the one that's the most
00:22:50.540 brilliant is Sweeney Todd
00:22:51.340 favorite movie
00:22:52.100 again
00:22:53.560 I would have to go
00:22:54.960 like top 10
00:22:55.660 but
00:22:55.880 the Lord of the Rings
00:22:57.640 trilogy is fantastic
00:22:58.680 the Dark Knight trilogy
00:22:59.800 is fantastic
00:23:00.780 there's
00:23:02.460 A Man for All Seasons
00:23:03.500 used to be
00:23:04.140 my favorite for a long time
00:23:05.620 the
00:23:06.980 what's the name of the film
00:23:09.300 now
00:23:09.800 they made a remake
00:23:10.960 All the King's Men
00:23:11.540 the original
00:23:12.860 with Broderick Crawford
00:23:13.840 was up there
00:23:15.140 on my list
00:23:15.620 Truman chose a great movie
00:23:16.760 I have a list of
00:23:17.720 I'll have to do my list
00:23:18.540 of top 100 movies
00:23:19.240 because I've seen
00:23:19.560 every Oscar nominated film
00:23:20.520 since 1933
00:23:21.180 oh my god
00:23:21.900 of course you have
00:23:22.560 virtually all of them anyway
00:23:23.500 Spirit Animal
00:23:24.380 Spirit Animal
00:23:26.240 God
00:23:28.200 my Spirit Animal
00:23:28.820 is Ben Shapiro actually
00:23:29.780 but what is your
00:23:30.620 what has Ben Shapiro
00:23:31.280 Spirit Animal
00:23:31.840 I don't buy into
00:23:33.760 Spirit Animal
00:23:36.060 I don't even like animals
00:23:37.980 Edmund Spencer
00:23:41.380 or Richard Spencer
00:23:42.560 anyone who's not
00:23:44.220 Richard Spencer
00:23:44.840 among whom is
00:23:46.120 Edmund Spencer
00:23:46.660 yeah good poet
00:23:47.220 democracy or meritocracy
00:23:49.100 meritocracy
00:23:50.840 meritocracy or monarchy
00:23:52.460 meritocracy
00:23:53.600 Yale or Harvard
00:23:54.580 I went to Harvard Law School
00:23:56.100 Yale or Oxford
00:23:57.280 Yale
00:23:59.780 oh that's pretty
00:24:00.900 I thought I was gonna
00:24:01.460 have to go down
00:24:01.940 like 10 of those
00:24:02.480 before I got to
00:24:03.060 yeah I'll take it
00:24:04.000 my country right or wrong
00:24:05.320 my country when it's right
00:24:06.440 my country when it's right
00:24:07.580 regular coke or diet coke
00:24:08.820 regular coke
00:24:10.040 Edmund Burke or Thomas Paine
00:24:11.400 you have to pick one
00:24:12.300 Edmund Burke
00:24:13.400 greatest composer
00:24:14.560 Beethoven
00:24:16.060 favorite book of the bible
00:24:17.260 oh
00:24:19.180 that's another hard one
00:24:21.980 although our canon is a lot
00:24:25.820 smaller than yours
00:24:26.460 I do have a particular love
00:24:29.380 for Samuel 1 and 2
00:24:30.780 all the David and Saul
00:24:32.540 stuff is fantastic
00:24:33.240 note to self
00:24:33.980 read Samuel 1 and 2
00:24:35.220 Lord of the Rings
00:24:37.000 or Game of Thrones
00:24:37.760 Lord of the Rings
00:24:39.840 a hot dog is a sandwich
00:24:41.440 a hot dog is not a sandwich
00:24:42.800 a hot dog is not a sandwich
00:24:43.960 you have to have two separate
00:24:44.820 pieces of bread to make a sandwich
00:24:45.760 what about a hoagie
00:24:46.460 a hoagie doesn't have
00:24:47.460 two separate pieces of bread
00:24:48.460 also not a sandwich
00:24:49.200 oh my god this is outrageous
00:24:51.020 final question
00:24:52.420 the right to bear arms
00:24:53.640 the right to arm bears
00:24:54.480 what does freedom mean to you
00:24:57.860 well I mean
00:24:58.800 what kind of country would we be
00:24:59.960 if we couldn't do both
00:25:00.740 that is a great point
00:25:02.300 everybody
00:25:03.040 Ben Shapiro
00:25:04.060 Ben thank you for coming on
00:25:05.440 thanks a lot
00:25:05.820 a real pleasure
00:25:06.440 thank you for everything
00:25:07.240 it's been mediocre
00:25:07.880 it's been just solidly mediocre
00:25:09.920 edit that out
00:25:11.360 edit it out Marshall
00:25:12.440 Ben thank you for coming
00:25:13.520 now we have to move
00:25:14.380 to the panel of deplorables
00:25:16.080 we have to bring them on
00:25:16.860 roaming millennial
00:25:18.100 Amanda Presto Giacomo
00:25:19.400 and Jacob Airy
00:25:20.960 alright guys
00:25:21.960 we're not going to comment
00:25:22.780 on anything like that
00:25:23.600 how are you going to beat
00:25:24.280 Ben Shapiro
00:25:24.820 he just ran through
00:25:25.660 all of the important
00:25:26.400 questions in the world
00:25:27.720 so we have to move
00:25:29.020 straight down to news
00:25:30.620 and before we get to that
00:25:31.740 we have to say goodbye
00:25:32.800 to Facebook
00:25:33.860 and YouTube
00:25:34.620 I know
00:25:35.180 you haven't even heard
00:25:36.060 from the panel today
00:25:36.840 well tough guys
00:25:38.140 you have to go to
00:25:38.920 dailywire.com
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00:25:44.120 to subscribe
00:25:44.960 you'll get my show
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00:25:48.380 one of the biggest
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00:25:50.020 and forget all that
00:25:51.720 you'll get the
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00:25:55.760 is so
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00:25:58.800 for not only
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00:26:07.220 and we will be right back
00:26:08.200 it was my campaign
00:26:21.700 those were my decisions
00:26:23.580 that's Hillary Clinton
00:26:24.940 giving her latest excuses
00:26:26.600 in interviews
00:26:27.680 about her new book
00:26:28.500 she says
00:26:29.500 I think it's fair to say
00:26:31.500 that I didn't realize
00:26:32.360 how quickly the ground
00:26:33.800 was shifting
00:26:34.360 under all our feet
00:26:35.600 I was running a traditional
00:26:36.880 presidential campaign
00:26:37.900 with carefully thought out
00:26:39.200 policies and painstakingly
00:26:40.580 built coalitions
00:26:41.160 while Trump
00:26:42.200 was running a reality TV show
00:26:43.940 that expertly
00:26:44.640 and relentlessly stoked
00:26:45.640 Americans' anger
00:26:46.860 and resentment
00:26:47.800 what makes me such a good
00:26:49.660 lightning rod for fury
00:26:50.880 I'm really asking
00:26:52.140 I'm at a loss
00:26:53.160 I think it's particularly
00:26:54.840 or rather
00:26:55.520 it's partly
00:26:56.300 because I'm a woman
00:26:57.620 that was Hillary Clinton
00:26:58.840 accepting responsibility
00:26:59.800 for her loss
00:27:00.880 Amanda help her out
00:27:02.560 what makes Hillary
00:27:04.140 such a lightning rod
00:27:05.040 for fury
00:27:05.460 Hillary
00:27:07.840 she's one of the worst
00:27:09.940 candidates I've ever seen
00:27:11.420 she couldn't campaign
00:27:12.740 away out of a paper bag
00:27:13.760 but it's just so funny
00:27:15.680 that she just has
00:27:16.700 this
00:27:17.300 it's kind of like
00:27:18.260 a leftist mentality
00:27:19.180 where she blames
00:27:19.800 everybody else
00:27:20.380 but herself
00:27:21.040 I actually
00:27:22.220 I think it was in January
00:27:23.240 I composed a list
00:27:24.360 of everything Hillary's blamed
00:27:25.620 so it's basically
00:27:26.200 her book
00:27:26.800 What Happened
00:27:27.300 but in list form
00:27:28.120 and it was
00:27:29.580 I think there were like
00:27:30.660 honestly like
00:27:31.700 at least like
00:27:32.520 35 different entities
00:27:33.960 or people she blamed
00:27:35.100 you know
00:27:36.060 Bernie Sanders
00:27:36.760 Comey
00:27:37.300 sexism
00:27:38.060 the right wing conspiracy
00:27:39.800 WikiLeaks
00:27:40.640 Russia
00:27:40.960 the DNC
00:27:41.640 Netflix
00:27:42.420 that was one of my favorites
00:27:43.440 she was too truthful
00:27:44.900 white women
00:27:45.500 I mean there is no
00:27:46.900 real reflection on Hillary
00:27:48.040 anytime there's criticism
00:27:49.580 it's somebody else's fault
00:27:51.040 something doesn't go her way
00:27:52.340 it's somebody else's fault
00:27:53.660 we saw this in the 90s as well
00:27:55.020 there's you know
00:27:55.840 it's everyone else to blame
00:27:57.120 not Hillary
00:27:57.980 you're absolutely right
00:27:59.480 that does characterize
00:28:00.500 the Clintons
00:28:01.320 and particularly Hillary
00:28:02.500 just always passing the buck
00:28:03.820 but roaming
00:28:04.900 does she have any point
00:28:06.640 did her being a woman
00:28:08.240 play into her loss
00:28:09.500 at all
00:28:09.980 in any way
00:28:10.520 I'm trying
00:28:11.000 believe it or not
00:28:11.920 trying to give Hillary
00:28:12.660 a fair shake
00:28:13.260 only because she's my second cousin
00:28:14.880 once removed
00:28:15.420 well you know what
00:28:17.800 I'm not going to say
00:28:18.620 that her being a woman
00:28:19.860 didn't stop anyone
00:28:21.240 from voting for her
00:28:22.220 right
00:28:22.440 I mean there are sexists
00:28:23.360 everywhere
00:28:23.700 I'm sure there are at least
00:28:24.580 some people out there
00:28:25.340 who thought
00:28:25.800 you know what
00:28:26.260 a woman
00:28:26.660 not for me
00:28:27.740 but the question is
00:28:29.100 was it an institutional part
00:28:31.060 of her losing
00:28:31.980 right
00:28:32.160 was it something
00:28:32.580 that actually
00:28:33.100 had an impact
00:28:34.100 on the election
00:28:34.700 you know
00:28:35.720 in a larger sense
00:28:36.400 and I've got to say
00:28:37.580 no when we look
00:28:38.380 at the breakdown
00:28:38.940 of demographics
00:28:39.660 we see okay
00:28:40.440 well across women
00:28:41.400 won them all
00:28:42.340 obviously women
00:28:42.980 aren't going to be
00:28:43.600 scared of voting
00:28:44.300 for a woman
00:28:44.760 and you know what
00:28:45.160 even across
00:28:45.740 you know
00:28:46.840 male demographics
00:28:47.540 when it comes to
00:28:48.240 the Hispanic vote
00:28:49.100 the black vote
00:28:50.220 it just
00:28:50.660 unless you're
00:28:52.080 specifically accusing
00:28:53.220 white males
00:28:54.040 of being sexist
00:28:55.220 then no
00:28:55.640 it just doesn't make sense
00:28:56.660 and I mean
00:28:57.040 if you look at
00:28:57.840 the campaign
00:28:58.440 she ran
00:28:59.280 you'd have to be
00:28:59.960 I guess
00:29:00.600 willfully ignorant
00:29:01.500 to say
00:29:02.120 nah it's probably
00:29:03.240 just because
00:29:03.720 I'm a woman
00:29:04.260 it is
00:29:05.580 it's willful ignorance
00:29:06.560 and wishful thinking
00:29:07.440 I think on her part
00:29:08.540 Jacob
00:29:09.340 is she
00:29:10.560 seriously confused
00:29:12.120 as to why she lost
00:29:13.100 is she really
00:29:14.000 at such a loss
00:29:14.960 and wondering about this
00:29:16.220 or is she just
00:29:17.380 faking it
00:29:18.000 to get sympathy
00:29:18.840 I think she is
00:29:20.520 confused
00:29:20.960 but for a different
00:29:22.300 reason
00:29:22.700 I think that
00:29:23.940 her supporters
00:29:25.180 I should say
00:29:26.300 her inner circle
00:29:27.140 they're telling her
00:29:28.480 you lost
00:29:29.080 because of
00:29:29.540 Bernie Sanders
00:29:30.160 you lost
00:29:30.840 because of
00:29:31.440 Barack Obama
00:29:32.280 when I was at
00:29:33.320 Politicon
00:29:33.760 and I went to a panel
00:29:35.800 where Paul Begala
00:29:36.960 was speaking
00:29:37.560 and he was
00:29:38.160 he was just
00:29:39.040 regurgitating
00:29:39.900 everything that
00:29:41.040 Hillary Clinton
00:29:41.920 has saying
00:29:42.420 so I honestly think
00:29:43.600 that it's her
00:29:44.760 inner circle telling
00:29:45.620 it's not you
00:29:46.440 it's them
00:29:47.140 it's got nothing
00:29:48.240 to do with it
00:29:48.760 so I think that
00:29:49.540 is confusing her
00:29:50.600 and it's forcing her
00:29:52.000 to
00:29:52.860 or I should say
00:29:53.960 she's more than happy
00:29:55.080 to go along with it
00:29:56.220 because otherwise
00:29:56.720 it's like a man
00:29:57.500 who says she's
00:29:58.000 a terrible candidate
00:29:58.800 which she is
00:29:59.980 and if Paul Begala
00:30:00.900 says it
00:30:01.400 it's obviously
00:30:02.040 a coordinated response
00:30:03.440 because those Clintons
00:30:04.500 are always scheming
00:30:05.700 for something
00:30:06.200 Facebook
00:30:07.140 is claiming
00:30:08.240 that it's advertising
00:30:09.100 now reaches more people
00:30:10.480 than the US census
00:30:11.560 say
00:30:12.000 live in the country
00:30:13.220 for comment
00:30:14.760 we have to turn
00:30:15.620 to Mark Zuckerberg
00:30:16.480 he has a lower voice
00:30:42.020 than I thought he would
00:30:42.760 I was actually surprised
00:30:43.980 when I heard that take
00:30:44.920 Roaming
00:30:45.700 does this show
00:30:46.860 a weakness
00:30:47.460 in techie tyranny
00:30:48.640 or is Facebook
00:30:50.220 more correct
00:30:51.000 than the US census
00:30:52.160 you know what
00:30:54.140 government or Facebook
00:30:55.700 neither are groups
00:30:56.940 where I'm kind of
00:30:57.740 throwing my trust
00:30:58.680 at them
00:30:58.980 being like
00:30:59.400 yes let me take
00:31:00.320 your information
00:31:00.880 out of your word
00:31:01.320 this is a hard one
00:31:02.460 but you know what
00:31:02.860 I've got to go
00:31:03.360 with the US census
00:31:04.140 and I think
00:31:05.120 it's not like
00:31:06.320 we can't imagine
00:31:06.940 a reason why
00:31:07.560 Facebook would want
00:31:08.220 to inflate its numbers
00:31:09.020 or it's not like
00:31:09.500 we can imagine
00:31:10.100 that you know what
00:31:10.660 maybe this isn't malicious
00:31:11.480 maybe they just
00:31:12.080 are honestly having
00:31:12.860 tech issues
00:31:13.720 where they're
00:31:14.080 reading things wrong
00:31:15.040 either way
00:31:15.600 I am not taking
00:31:16.720 this seriously
00:31:17.380 I don't think
00:31:18.160 they're right
00:31:18.640 and I think
00:31:20.180 it's interesting
00:31:20.600 because you know
00:31:21.320 there's been
00:31:21.740 so much hype
00:31:22.580 over Zuckerberg
00:31:23.520 possibly running
00:31:24.520 at least you know
00:31:25.100 in certain corners
00:31:25.900 of the internet
00:31:26.520 so long
00:31:27.280 so late
00:31:27.920 right
00:31:28.860 so it's
00:31:30.060 this is an interesting
00:31:30.840 thing because
00:31:31.300 if I look at
00:31:31.960 you know
00:31:32.320 anything that's
00:31:33.520 critical of Facebook
00:31:34.600 or Zuckerberg
00:31:35.360 at all
00:31:35.740 it's not really
00:31:36.260 being reported
00:31:37.060 as much
00:31:37.780 by those same
00:31:39.800 I guess
00:31:40.120 mainstream media
00:31:40.860 outlets
00:31:41.300 so I
00:31:42.160 you know
00:31:42.600 yeah
00:31:43.420 I would like
00:31:44.180 to say that
00:31:44.700 this is something
00:31:45.340 that yeah
00:31:45.740 it's great
00:31:46.100 let's look at
00:31:46.520 Facebook's policies
00:31:47.220 a little bit more
00:31:47.820 let's look at
00:31:48.540 you know
00:31:49.120 some of the things
00:31:49.600 they're selling
00:31:50.300 to advertisers
00:31:50.920 may be a little
00:31:51.460 bit critical
00:31:51.980 but I don't think
00:31:53.420 most people
00:31:53.780 will care about this
00:31:54.700 Roman you bring up
00:31:55.700 a great incentive
00:31:56.660 that Zuckerberg
00:31:57.480 would have
00:31:58.020 to inflate
00:31:58.660 his influence
00:31:59.280 which is that
00:32:00.400 he appears
00:32:01.220 to want to run
00:32:01.900 for president
00:32:02.540 and he gives us
00:32:03.400 those super cringy
00:32:04.440 photos of him
00:32:05.120 at Iowa
00:32:05.980 lunch counters
00:32:07.020 which are really
00:32:07.820 wonderful
00:32:08.180 they're the best
00:32:08.660 thing on the internet
00:32:09.200 in the last year
00:32:10.000 probably
00:32:10.560 but Amanda
00:32:12.200 is Facebook
00:32:13.700 intentionally
00:32:14.500 inflating its numbers
00:32:15.480 either to milk
00:32:17.000 advertisers
00:32:17.740 or to promote
00:32:19.460 Mark Zuckerberg
00:32:20.860 for president
00:32:21.380 or are they just
00:32:22.440 having a glitch
00:32:23.300 are they just
00:32:23.920 not as
00:32:24.640 all powerful
00:32:26.020 as we thought
00:32:26.500 they were
00:32:26.860 like Roaming said
00:32:29.500 you can't imagine
00:32:30.180 why they would want to
00:32:31.260 you know
00:32:32.100 again for
00:32:32.740 for advertisers
00:32:34.600 and such
00:32:35.120 it would make sense
00:32:35.840 why they would
00:32:36.180 inflate those numbers
00:32:36.820 and also
00:32:37.420 I do think
00:32:38.460 there are a lot
00:32:38.960 of people
00:32:39.400 this might seem
00:32:39.920 simplistic
00:32:40.380 but I feel like
00:32:40.960 there are a ton
00:32:41.280 of people
00:32:41.580 who have multiple
00:32:42.140 accounts
00:32:42.740 like you know
00:32:43.840 and they said
00:32:44.340 in the Wall Street Journal
00:32:45.620 they've been saying
00:32:46.140 that was like
00:32:46.520 one of the factors
00:32:47.440 that there are just
00:32:48.180 like multiple
00:32:48.660 accounts for a lot
00:32:49.500 of people
00:32:49.900 so like things
00:32:51.040 like that
00:32:51.480 I think can
00:32:51.900 actually contribute
00:32:52.720 but yeah
00:32:55.000 I mean
00:32:55.480 Facebook is
00:32:56.280 super powerful
00:32:57.500 and like Roaming
00:32:59.300 said
00:32:59.540 I mean
00:32:59.880 between a choice
00:33:00.940 of you know
00:33:01.660 believing the US
00:33:02.400 government
00:33:02.740 and Facebook
00:33:03.260 it's like
00:33:03.820 it's basically
00:33:04.400 a toss up
00:33:05.200 they both
00:33:05.580 have so much
00:33:06.560 power
00:33:06.880 and one other
00:33:07.940 and then
00:33:10.040 one other thing
00:33:10.760 you kind of
00:33:11.140 touched on Roaming
00:33:11.820 is that
00:33:12.220 it is difficult
00:33:13.200 for news companies
00:33:14.080 to criticize
00:33:15.100 Mark Zuckerberg
00:33:15.840 or Facebook
00:33:16.540 because
00:33:17.000 they disseminate
00:33:18.040 all the news
00:33:18.720 so it is kind of
00:33:19.880 hard to tackle that
00:33:20.960 I think there are
00:33:21.500 a lot of news companies
00:33:22.340 who are kind of like
00:33:23.720 you know
00:33:24.140 kind of go
00:33:24.900 a little easy
00:33:25.920 on this
00:33:26.320 because they do
00:33:27.220 kind of control
00:33:27.760 everything
00:33:28.120 and there have been
00:33:28.860 instances where people
00:33:30.200 have accused
00:33:30.820 the organization
00:33:31.560 of basically
00:33:32.860 having bias
00:33:33.640 you know
00:33:33.960 we've seen that
00:33:34.380 multiple times
00:33:34.960 so again
00:33:36.180 it's like
00:33:36.640 he's not open
00:33:37.420 to criticism too
00:33:38.260 so that's also
00:33:38.860 a little dangerous
00:33:39.660 it is Occam's razor
00:33:40.920 also
00:33:41.300 I hadn't even
00:33:41.840 considered that
00:33:42.520 but everybody
00:33:43.300 has multiple accounts
00:33:44.280 I've had several
00:33:45.080 for different
00:33:45.880 political things
00:33:46.940 I've been up to
00:33:47.680 and so that
00:33:48.900 that very well
00:33:49.800 might explain
00:33:50.260 the whole thing
00:33:50.680 stalk your ex-boyfriends
00:33:51.680 and stuff
00:33:51.980 I only use it
00:33:53.120 to stalk my ex-boyfriends
00:33:54.320 now Jacob
00:33:58.020 will there ever
00:34:00.840 come a time
00:34:01.360 when tech giants
00:34:02.700 are a threat
00:34:04.500 to the republic
00:34:05.000 when they have
00:34:05.580 more information
00:34:06.200 than the government
00:34:06.700 when they have
00:34:07.080 more power
00:34:07.580 than the government
00:34:08.180 are we there now
00:34:10.100 and what
00:34:10.680 what is the
00:34:11.160 implication
00:34:11.620 for our society
00:34:12.800 personally
00:34:13.820 I think they're
00:34:14.360 already just as
00:34:15.260 dangerous
00:34:15.540 as the government
00:34:16.460 I mean
00:34:16.760 they're already
00:34:17.260 Facebook
00:34:17.760 and Google
00:34:18.440 and Apple
00:34:19.260 are already
00:34:19.980 colluding
00:34:20.560 with the government
00:34:21.600 in some aspects
00:34:22.600 but honestly
00:34:24.200 I think that
00:34:25.140 there is
00:34:25.760 private corporations
00:34:26.900 will never be
00:34:28.000 more dangerous
00:34:29.300 than the government
00:34:30.200 like I said
00:34:30.820 unless they start
00:34:31.620 colluding with it
00:34:32.780 so I don't see this
00:34:34.360 because we
00:34:35.480 the consumers
00:34:36.260 still have
00:34:37.280 some of the power
00:34:38.420 you know
00:34:39.060 it's like
00:34:39.480 you know
00:34:39.680 everyone going
00:34:40.280 from MySpace
00:34:40.980 onto Facebook
00:34:41.840 everyone was concerned
00:34:42.900 about this
00:34:43.340 when it came to MySpace
00:34:44.220 but what happened
00:34:45.000 something
00:34:45.840 I guess
00:34:46.760 slightly better
00:34:47.480 came along
00:34:48.260 and we
00:34:49.080 and we all
00:34:49.680 jump ship
00:34:50.260 speaking with
00:34:51.900 the privilege
00:34:52.360 and confidence
00:34:53.280 of a white
00:34:53.900 Christian man
00:34:54.860 speaking of
00:34:55.820 white Christians
00:34:56.580 white Christians
00:34:59.760 now comprise
00:35:00.560 only 43%
00:35:02.260 of the population
00:35:03.080 for the first time
00:35:04.020 ever
00:35:04.220 a minority
00:35:04.900 according to
00:35:06.140 the Public Religion
00:35:07.180 Research Institute
00:35:08.060 four decades ago
00:35:09.220 that number
00:35:09.640 was over 80%
00:35:11.060 this is a huge
00:35:12.220 decline
00:35:12.700 Amanda and I
00:35:14.220 are obviously
00:35:14.860 a little swarthy
00:35:15.600 probably to count
00:35:16.640 and roaming
00:35:17.580 is slightly Asiatic
00:35:18.700 but Jacob
00:35:19.700 you are now
00:35:21.080 a minority
00:35:21.660 should you be
00:35:22.940 entitled to
00:35:23.660 affirmative action
00:35:24.640 protections
00:35:25.220 oh absolutely
00:35:26.900 no I'm just kidding
00:35:28.080 I know you'd say that
00:35:29.020 but
00:35:29.720 from my perspective
00:35:31.700 as a
00:35:32.520 as a Christian
00:35:33.280 I'm not too
00:35:34.100 too concerned
00:35:34.980 with this
00:35:35.500 to me
00:35:36.200 it seemed more
00:35:36.680 like it's a label
00:35:37.560 thing
00:35:37.880 so people aren't
00:35:38.540 wanting to label
00:35:39.360 themselves
00:35:39.860 as mainline
00:35:41.220 Protestants
00:35:41.980 or evangelicals
00:35:43.420 I certainly don't
00:35:44.080 want to label
00:35:44.480 myself either
00:35:45.160 right
00:35:46.560 well that's
00:35:47.160 and we're seeing
00:35:48.100 that kind of
00:35:49.400 go away
00:35:49.880 that labeling
00:35:50.520 system
00:35:50.860 now as far as
00:35:51.820 is white
00:35:52.800 Christianity
00:35:53.320 and decline
00:35:53.880 who cares
00:35:54.640 as long as
00:35:55.560 as me as a
00:35:56.300 Christian
00:35:56.540 as long as
00:35:57.040 as long as
00:35:57.440 white people
00:35:57.920 are in it
00:35:58.260 no I'm sorry
00:35:58.840 well no I just
00:35:59.820 mean that
00:36:00.200 for me it's more
00:36:00.920 about spreading
00:36:01.620 the faith
00:36:02.260 as a Christian
00:36:02.880 I'm more concerned
00:36:03.800 so if more people
00:36:05.040 are coming to Christ
00:36:06.020 who are not white
00:36:07.120 what do I care
00:36:08.400 to me it's all
00:36:10.020 about them
00:36:10.880 coming into the
00:36:11.760 faith
00:36:12.140 it's all about
00:36:12.980 the Jesus
00:36:13.420 roaming
00:36:14.240 will this new
00:36:15.360 minority status
00:36:16.180 for white Christians
00:36:17.280 finally throw a wrench
00:36:18.920 into these stupid
00:36:20.000 intersectional hierarchies
00:36:21.920 of victimhood
00:36:22.620 that we've been
00:36:23.480 hearing from the
00:36:24.160 left forever
00:36:24.800 and ever
00:36:25.180 or do their
00:36:26.740 feelings not care
00:36:27.500 about facts
00:36:28.060 well you know
00:36:29.600 that's an interesting
00:36:30.120 question I've thought
00:36:31.040 about that myself
00:36:32.020 a couple times too
00:36:32.900 and you know what
00:36:33.320 I don't think it's
00:36:33.880 going to change
00:36:34.380 anything because
00:36:35.080 if we look at
00:36:35.680 who the left
00:36:36.580 assigns victimhood
00:36:37.440 status to
00:36:37.940 it's not really
00:36:38.420 anyone who's
00:36:39.000 necessarily a minority
00:36:40.040 or objectively
00:36:40.860 oppressed
00:36:41.220 it's anyone
00:36:41.760 who goes against
00:36:42.840 the Christian right
00:36:43.780 right
00:36:44.580 even when it
00:36:45.320 doesn't make sense
00:36:45.900 like Islam
00:36:46.440 right
00:36:46.800 they're not
00:36:47.280 they're not a
00:36:47.800 minority on the
00:36:48.600 planet
00:36:48.940 you know
00:36:49.840 they've for the
00:36:50.640 longest time
00:36:51.400 throughout history
00:36:52.200 not been oppressed
00:36:53.420 but rather the
00:36:53.900 oppressors
00:36:54.480 and yet for some
00:36:55.220 reason they still
00:36:55.760 get victim status
00:36:56.620 so you know
00:36:57.860 that's an instance
00:36:58.420 of where it's not
00:36:59.180 really about who's
00:37:00.000 actually oppressed
00:37:00.700 or who's being
00:37:01.920 marginalized
00:37:02.280 it's just anyone
00:37:03.280 to give the middle
00:37:04.100 finger to the
00:37:04.620 Christian right
00:37:05.040 right
00:37:05.200 so even if the
00:37:06.060 Christian right
00:37:06.620 eventually becomes
00:37:07.580 themselves a minority
00:37:08.440 that doesn't mean
00:37:09.020 that regressives
00:37:09.680 are going to be
00:37:10.060 our friends
00:37:10.560 or that the left
00:37:11.760 will all of a sudden
00:37:12.460 start speaking up
00:37:13.440 for our civil liberties
00:37:14.700 now that's never
00:37:15.600 going to happen
00:37:16.040 and the smallest
00:37:16.760 minority is the
00:37:17.500 individual
00:37:17.880 and the left
00:37:18.600 can't stand
00:37:19.440 the individual
00:37:20.100 the most
00:37:20.720 Amanda
00:37:21.520 this is a major
00:37:22.800 demographic
00:37:23.520 and ideological
00:37:24.700 shift
00:37:25.260 what are the
00:37:26.740 hazards
00:37:27.240 or potential
00:37:28.240 benefits
00:37:28.620 that it presents
00:37:29.580 in American
00:37:30.180 culture
00:37:30.580 because it is
00:37:31.100 a big change
00:37:31.800 yeah
00:37:33.880 we I mean
00:37:34.760 we've seen
00:37:35.580 secularism grow
00:37:37.220 and then as people
00:37:38.080 get more secular
00:37:38.840 they look to
00:37:39.680 something to kind
00:37:40.320 of fill that void
00:37:41.100 and they look to
00:37:41.620 big government
00:37:42.340 so I think
00:37:43.300 as we're seeing
00:37:43.960 last
00:37:44.580 not just
00:37:45.940 just Christianity
00:37:46.800 but
00:37:47.260 you know
00:37:48.560 like a monotheistic
00:37:49.580 religion
00:37:50.040 as there's an
00:37:50.980 absence of that
00:37:51.760 people are looking
00:37:52.420 for something
00:37:52.940 to fill that void
00:37:53.860 and you know
00:37:55.080 that's why we're
00:37:55.520 kind of
00:37:55.800 we're seeing
00:37:56.380 a push
00:37:56.840 towards socialism
00:37:57.580 our health care
00:37:58.260 is you know
00:37:59.220 right about
00:38:00.640 to be there
00:38:01.180 so I think
00:38:03.180 that's one of
00:38:03.860 the big
00:38:04.200 repercussions
00:38:04.880 that is just
00:38:06.620 inevitable
00:38:06.960 when you have
00:38:07.640 a growing
00:38:08.080 increase
00:38:08.460 of secularism
00:38:09.240 leave it to
00:38:10.160 Amanda Prestigiacomo
00:38:11.180 to cheer
00:38:11.660 everybody up
00:38:12.440 to end on
00:38:12.960 a hopeful note
00:38:13.200 always pessimistic
00:38:14.100 every single time
00:38:15.020 okay panel
00:38:16.560 it has been
00:38:17.160 wonderful to have
00:38:18.060 you as always
00:38:18.620 roaming millennial
00:38:19.580 Amanda Prestigiacomo
00:38:20.760 and Jacob Berry
00:38:21.900 that's our whole
00:38:23.380 show for today
00:38:23.880 the whole show
00:38:24.340 is about Ben Shapiro
00:38:25.100 and I'm not going
00:38:25.620 to go give a final
00:38:26.300 thought about Ben Shapiro
00:38:27.400 so make sure you
00:38:28.340 get your mailbag
00:38:29.040 questions in
00:38:29.760 we will be doing
00:38:30.760 the mailbag
00:38:31.440 tomorrow
00:38:31.980 so send them all
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00:38:33.760 I'm Michael Knowles
00:38:34.940 this is the
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