The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 233 - Democrats’ Demon Craft

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00:00:37.720 As the leftist tears downpour enters its sixth day, Democrats have embraced the rain dance.

00:00:44.000 According to left-wing outlet Vox.com, modern witches are creating rituals to foster activism in the wake of Justice Kavanaugh's confirmation to the Supreme Court.

00:00:53.660 We will analyze Democrats' demon craft and cultic symbolism more broadly in politics.

00:00:59.200 Then, Kanye totally kills it in the Oval Office.

00:01:02.820 PC mobs tell us to stop calling them mobs, or else.

00:01:06.240 And Vox's Jane Koston joins to discuss civility.

00:01:10.040 Finally, the mailbag.

00:01:10.900 I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.

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00:02:42.900 Kanye was in the Oval Office this morning.

00:02:45.140 This was such a...

00:02:46.460 I can't...

00:02:47.200 Look, I wish...

00:02:47.960 I could turn off my show today and we just watch the Kanye press or the whole thing.

00:02:51.860 And we still wouldn't have enough time.

00:02:53.440 We'd still have to do another show tomorrow.

00:02:54.700 It is so phenomenally good.

00:02:57.980 It is one of these things you watch it and you just...

00:03:00.980 I know some conservatives are still doer and pessimistic for some reason.

00:03:04.560 Watching this and just imagine you today telling you three years ago that this would be happening.

00:03:11.240 That the biggest pop star in the world, the biggest popular musician probably on planet Earth would be wearing a MAGA hat in the Oval Office.

00:03:18.720 Talking about how great the Republican administration is and making fun of liberals with that language.

00:03:24.280 You wouldn't believe it.

00:03:25.380 But it's happening.

00:03:26.280 It's how you know we're living in the matrix.

00:03:28.580 Without further ado, Kanye West, take it away.

00:03:30.880 And that's a move.

00:03:32.120 One of the moves that I love that liberals try to do, the liberal would try to control a black person through the concept of racism because they know that we are very proud emotional people. 0.95

00:03:41.660 So when I said I like Trump to like someone that's liberal, they'll say, oh, but he's racist.

00:03:46.400 You think racism can control me?

00:03:49.140 Oh, that don't stop me.

00:03:50.240 That's an invisible wall.

00:03:52.580 Mr. West, what would you like?

00:03:55.440 Oh, your question.

00:03:56.540 You have one question.

00:03:57.640 We're going to go to another question.

00:03:59.000 I answered your question.

00:04:00.420 I don't answer questions as simple sound bites.

00:04:03.140 You are tasting a fine wine.

00:04:05.140 It has multiple notes to it.

00:04:06.580 You better play 4D chess with me like it's Minority Report. 0.62

00:04:09.400 Oh, I'm tasting a fine wine, too.

00:04:14.920 That's the fine wine from MSNBC and the media melting down.

00:04:17.920 And I love it, by the way.

00:04:18.980 These guys, remember Kanye West said he and Trump have dragon energy.

00:04:21.600 They really do.

00:04:22.660 They do share something together.

00:04:24.520 Watching them sit across from each other in the Oval Office, it's like seeing double.

00:04:28.120 If I were a lefty and I went in there, I wanted to go get Donald Trump, I wouldn't know which one to shoot.

00:04:32.780 I'd say, oh, no, which is the real Trump? 0.75

00:04:35.120 I can't.

00:04:36.560 They're like such similar people.

00:04:38.120 People, and they have such the same approach.

00:04:40.940 When you go out there and you say, you try to shame them, you try to get them to change their mind, you try to get them to stop saying what they want to say, they just flat out say no.

00:04:50.920 They'll double down on what they're saying.

00:04:52.760 You know, Kanye West said, you think that by using the word racist, you can control my actions.

00:04:57.720 Well, it ain't going to happen. 0.95

00:04:58.920 I was talking last week about how rapist is the new racist.

00:05:02.220 It's just the way that the left tries to control you and pressure you into kowtowing to their will.

00:05:06.980 It used to be they'd call perfectly good people racists with no evidence.

00:05:11.680 Now they're calling them rapists with no evidence.

00:05:13.900 And some squishy conservatives, they say, oh, no, I don't want them.

00:05:16.880 Oh, I don't want MSNBC to call me something bad.

00:05:19.640 No, no.

00:05:20.660 Donald Trump, he don't care.

00:05:23.380 Kanye West, he don't care.

00:05:24.960 They're sitting there in this room, arms crossed.

00:05:27.560 Come at me. 0.99

00:05:28.440 So beautiful.

00:05:29.300 He got so much pushback.

00:05:30.580 What did he do?

00:05:31.100 He tightened his MAGA cap on his head and he's going out there saying, you know what liberals do?

00:05:36.380 Like he's doing a standup routine.

00:05:38.740 Absolutely beautiful stuff.

00:05:40.540 By the way, he's there on the day of signing the MMA, the what is the, I forget the actual title of the Music Modernization Act.

00:05:48.300 It is, which is a very important piece of legislation, by the way, and it's good that he's here for that as well.

00:05:54.060 And only this administration could have gotten that through with the Republican Congress and Senate.

00:05:58.360 We'll get to that in a second.

00:05:59.400 But he's there just fielding questions.

00:06:01.260 He cannot be pressured.

00:06:03.500 He cannot be forced to say some view that he doesn't hold.

00:06:07.820 MSNBC, CNN, the mainstream media, they are furious about that.

00:06:11.460 Open up your tumblers and let the good times roll.

00:06:16.600 I'm doing this for everybody who's watching us who turned their volume down.

00:06:20.460 You can put it back up again.

00:06:22.060 That was bonkers.

00:06:22.300 But if you think you're going to get a thoughtful play-by-play and political analysis, you're not.

00:06:28.100 Because that was an assault on our White House.

00:06:30.540 We're not, we're not, you can't analyze some of that stuff that was said.

00:06:35.200 As we warned you at the top, there was a little bit of profanity.

00:06:38.260 There was actually more than you heard.

00:06:39.820 We were able to bleep some of it out.

00:06:42.400 But there was, some of it did make it in there.

00:06:45.180 That was crazy.

00:06:46.400 That was bonkers.

00:06:47.740 All of a sudden now, the left, they're clutching their pearls about profanity.

00:06:53.820 They hate profanity.

00:06:54.860 These are people, the left airs PSAs of little children screaming the F word, screaming all of these things. 1.00

00:07:01.580 They have slut walks. 1.00

00:07:03.020 Every, every big sign that they post is F this and F Trump and F that. 0.99

00:07:07.460 That's, oh, they'll tee-hee-hee. 0.54

00:07:08.940 They all giggle now.

00:07:09.720 They clutch their pearls.

00:07:10.760 He said, Kanye West might have said a swear word in the Oval Office.

00:07:14.960 Just Google Lyndon Johnson cussing.

00:07:19.980 Lyndon Johnson cursing.

00:07:21.240 Listen to what Lyndon Johnson said in the Oval Office.

00:07:24.060 I'll tell you, his language was a lot saltier than Kanye West's.

00:07:27.520 How about Bill Clinton?

00:07:28.340 What did, so we're talking about what Kanye West said in the Oval Office.

00:07:31.320 Let's, when we think back on people degrading the Oval Office, what did Bill Clinton do in the Oval Office?

00:07:36.340 You know, you know how I'm, you know how I like cigars, for instance.

00:07:39.720 I'm a cigar fan, a cigar enthusiast.

00:07:42.640 And they say sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

00:07:45.680 Well, for Mr. Clinton, sometimes a cigar is not just a cigar. 0.94

00:07:48.440 And sometimes it's not just a cigar in the freaking Oval Office. 1.00

00:07:52.020 You hacks, you hypocrites. 1.00

00:07:54.240 Open up the tumblers. 1.00

00:07:55.340 And what they're really upset about is that it's not just a racial thing, though there is a racial component.

00:08:01.280 They're upset that a prominent black man is now a Republican, is supporting a Republican administration.

00:08:06.960 They're also upset that a celebrity is supporting a Republican.

00:08:09.900 They're also upset that a young person is supporting a Republican.

00:08:12.780 They're also upset that a musician is supporting.

00:08:14.920 It's a perfect storm.

00:08:17.280 And they are all, they're all Alyssa Milano's.

00:08:20.000 They're all these little kind of doughy white people. 1.00

00:08:22.180 Well, Alyssa Milano's not doughy, but she is, her intellect is at least a little bloated. 1.00

00:08:27.640 And she's, and they say, make Kanye Kanye again. 0.98

00:08:30.800 Kanye, he's not allowed to say these things.

00:08:32.780 He's, and what does he do?

00:08:33.420 He tightens that MAGA cap even tighter.

00:08:36.520 Absolutely beautiful stuff.

00:08:38.400 Well, we're going to have to talk about this with Jane Koston when she comes on, 0.67

00:08:41.080 because the left is furious.

00:08:42.520 The narrative is breaking down.

00:08:44.240 What MSNBC is saying, they said, you probably had your TV on mute.

00:08:47.640 No, no, no.

00:08:48.180 You had your TV on mute, MSNBC.

00:08:50.080 See, we were all watching and you wish we had our TV on mute.

00:08:53.840 They're saying, no, they're, it's the Wizard of Oz.

00:08:55.420 No, no, don't, don't look over, don't look at the man behind the curtain.

00:08:58.120 No, no, don't believe your lion eyes.

00:09:00.720 Sorry, I saw it.

00:09:01.920 I saw it.

00:09:03.500 Love it.

00:09:04.320 We've got to, we've got to move on, unfortunately, because there's so much to get to.

00:09:08.620 They're actually, the Democrats are now admitting that they're practicing witchcraft.

00:09:13.840 Am I like the voice of one crying out in the wilderness right now?

00:09:17.700 I was calling this last week and now they're admitting, yeah, we, we practice witchcraft.

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00:11:06.260 Before we bring on Jane, I have to read you this article from Vox.

00:11:09.500 It's actually from Jane's publication.

00:11:12.380 Jane Koston.

00:11:13.260 I'll say something nice about her.

00:11:15.040 She is certainly the most reasonable person at Vox.com.

00:11:18.260 That's why we talk.

00:11:18.940 That's why I'm having her on the show. 0.99

00:11:19.860 So, and actually, I read Vox all the time because it presents honestly the left-wing

00:11:25.300 point of view.

00:11:26.280 And they're being really, really honest today.

00:11:28.360 They have this piece out, we refuse to be silent any longer, magic as self-care after

00:11:34.040 Kavanaugh.

00:11:34.640 And I actually managed to infiltrate a recent Democrat strategy meeting.

00:11:39.260 I got to go down there, I got to bring a camera, and I got to see firsthand how the Democrats

00:11:43.240 are retooling their strategy through the midterms.

00:11:45.860 By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes.

00:11:58.420 Told us under cold stones, days and nights are 31.

00:12:02.500 Swelted venom, sleeping goth, boil thou first in the charmed pot. 1.00

00:12:08.300 Liver of blaspheming dew, ball of goat and slips of you. 0.99

00:12:13.220 I conjure you by that which you profess, howe'er you come to know it. 0.72

00:12:17.440 Answer me to what I ask you.

00:12:19.380 Answer me, Dianne Feinstein.

00:12:21.020 That last one was Dianne Feinstein there.

00:12:22.640 If you couldn't see, I think the shot was mostly from the back of her head, but that 0.98

00:12:25.760 was Dianne Feinstein.

00:12:27.280 So this is how the article goes.

00:12:28.840 Quote, modern day witches are creating rituals to foster solidarity, activism, and healing.

00:12:35.120 It goes on.

00:12:35.880 First, take a candle, then pour some salt into your hand.

00:12:38.740 Then, keeping the grains in your palm, take a pen to write out a thank you to Christine

00:12:42.860 Blasey Ford, the woman whose allegations, uncorroborated, evidence-free, frequently contradicted and

00:12:49.160 refuted, allegations of sexual assault against Supreme Court nominee and now Justice Brett

00:12:53.580 Kavanaugh, stunned a nation.

00:12:55.400 Or, if you prefer, simply say, I believe you.

00:12:57.780 It's just one of the many quasi-religious rituals circulating the internet, particularly

00:13:02.680 pagan and hashtag-resistant circles.

00:13:05.500 I love that they conflate those two, you know, the pagan and the resistance circles,

00:13:09.280 they're very similar, in the wake of Kavanaugh's confirmation.

00:13:11.880 These rituals help self-identified witches process trauma, anger, and grief.

00:13:16.640 Now, I will tell you something.

00:13:17.820 I have always appreciated the political philosophic value of Exodus 22, 18, thou shalt not suffer

00:13:25.960 a witch to live. 0.73

00:13:26.900 I have long appreciated that.

00:13:28.700 And I told you this.

00:13:29.620 We were talking about this just a couple days ago.

00:13:31.260 So, leftism can rise to the level of religion.

00:13:35.640 And these days, it really seems to have risen to the level of religion.

00:13:38.180 And not good religion. 0.99

00:13:39.680 You know, I will point out, because this thing goes on and on.

00:13:42.800 People describing the rituals as a vital spiritual solidarity.

00:13:47.460 And it also goes on to talk about the 20% of Americans who identify as spiritual but not

00:13:54.920 religious, for whom rituals can provide a framework for finding meaning in trauma or

00:13:59.140 pain.

00:13:59.800 You know, I talk often about spiritual but not religious.

00:14:02.320 It is just fertile ground for this kind of religion.

00:14:06.900 Everybody's got to serve somebody.

00:14:08.340 And for the atheists who are watching, conservative atheists, conservative agnostics, I just want

00:14:12.420 to point out, atheists always, atheists always get this wrong and agnostics, I think, kind 0.98

00:14:17.900 of miss the point here too, which is when they say, oh, it's so silly. 1.00

00:14:21.940 Religion is so silly. 1.00

00:14:23.340 Oh, it's so ridiculous. 1.00

00:14:24.900 It's superstition. 0.97

00:14:26.000 Some things can be superstition.

00:14:28.460 But religion inheres in every human society throughout all of history since the dawn of time.

00:14:35.120 Perhaps that tells us something about the human condition.

00:14:37.900 Perhaps that tells us something not just about our own condition and our own longings, but the

00:14:41.960 satisfaction of our longings, which exists in the metaphysical and the spiritual world.

00:14:46.940 Perhaps it tells us that because everybody's got to serve somebody.

00:14:50.820 You know, the piece goes on.

00:14:52.280 It says, describing their meditation and ritualistic process, yoga teacher Laura Kelleher told Vox,

00:14:57.920 as a non-binary, gender-fluid person, I'm focusing on integrating my own feminine and masculine

00:15:03.620 aspects and moreover, the abusive and abused parts of my psyche.

00:15:09.000 Okay.

00:15:09.440 By the way, this means Matt Walsh was right too when he said that yoga is just paganism

00:15:13.700 and Satanism.

00:15:15.220 It is witchcraft. 0.89

00:15:16.880 You know, Mayor Bolshevik, Bolshevik Bill de Blasio in New York, he signed a bill today

00:15:22.180 saying that there's now a third gender on birth certificates, male, female, and X.

00:15:27.180 That's witchcraft. 1.00

00:15:28.060 That's hocus pocus.

00:15:29.020 That is superstition.

00:15:30.200 There are two sexes. 0.58

00:15:31.480 We know that there are two sexes. 0.89

00:15:33.220 And there are men.

00:15:34.500 There are women. 1.00

00:15:35.480 There are men who think that they're women.

00:15:36.720 And there are women who think that they're men. 0.98

00:15:37.980 And there is a small number of people for whom their sex is a little ambiguous.

00:15:42.120 They might have an extra X chromosome.

00:15:44.100 They might have ambiguous genitalia.

00:15:47.600 That's a real thing.

00:15:48.540 Of course, that's a real thing.

00:15:49.560 But that's not a third gender. 0.99

00:15:50.880 That's a combination of two.

00:15:52.820 That's the idea that there is some third sex or gender. 0.97

00:15:56.160 That is a fiction.

00:15:57.460 That is witchcraft. 1.00

00:15:58.980 And this religion of leftism gets worse and worse.

00:16:04.060 Before I bring Jane on, I have to show you this.

00:16:07.420 Remember that guy, the one who kicked the pro-life woman at that rally?

00:16:11.920 On YouTube, they're calling him Cuck Norris because Chuck Norris would roundhouse kick people.

00:16:18.440 And this guy is not the manliest man.

00:16:21.240 So they're calling him Cuck Norris.

00:16:22.620 Anyway, you might remember him.

00:16:24.180 I'm a 16-year-old and I can't have this baby.

00:16:29.180 Think you should keep it?

00:16:31.040 It's a baby. 0.99

00:16:32.500 If someone was raped and she gave birth and she decided to kill her three-year-old child. 0.99

00:16:38.960 I meant to get your phone. 0.97

00:16:41.340 So did you see?

00:16:41.980 I didn't notice this the first couple times.

00:16:43.980 He's wearing a pentagram on his neck.

00:16:45.680 He's wearing the sign of Satan on his neck.

00:16:47.900 That's no coincidence.

00:16:49.320 Do we think that's really a coincidence?

00:16:50.280 No, he might say, oh, it's just a sign that he likes.

00:16:52.160 Yeah, it's a very specific sign.

00:16:54.380 Oh, it's no big deal.

00:16:55.740 Well, if it's no big deal, why is he wearing it?

00:16:57.780 And why are all of these hysterical mobs focused around one thing? 0.96

00:17:03.460 The fictitious constitutional right to kill a baby. 0.75

00:17:06.560 You notice this guy kicks this woman because she was at a pro-life rally. 0.95

00:17:10.460 All of the Kavanaugh hullabaloo, all of the witchcraft that Vox is talking about in the wake of Kavanaugh 0.85

00:17:15.520 is about the fictitious constitutional right to kill an unborn baby.

00:17:19.620 It's about Roe versus Wade.

00:17:22.280 Maybe that's not a coincidence.

00:17:23.640 Maybe that's because ideas do have consequences.

00:17:26.540 Little decisions, little indecisions have major consequences.

00:17:29.800 If you trace bad ideas back far enough, you get to the devil.

00:17:33.440 You know, you got to go back pretty far for some of them.

00:17:35.860 But you do get to the lies.

00:17:37.620 You get to the father of lies.

00:17:38.640 And that cultic aspect is hard to ignore.

00:17:42.120 You have to almost willfully ignore it.

00:17:44.800 But I do, I really appreciate Vox.

00:17:46.700 This is why I read Vox all the time.

00:17:48.120 Because they do provide very honest perspectives, honest left-wing perspectives that you're not going to get anywhere else.

00:17:55.360 And the best person at Vox, you all know the best person at Vox, is Jane Koston, who I have on now.

00:18:01.740 Jane, do we have you?

00:18:03.300 We do.

00:18:04.160 How are you?

00:18:04.760 Jane, thank you for coming on.

00:18:06.020 I appreciate it.

00:18:07.340 Of course.

00:18:08.060 Anytime.

00:18:08.320 I was recent, I was just going through, did you see that article on Vox today about the witchcraft in the wake of Brett Kavanaugh?

00:18:15.900 I did.

00:18:16.760 I did.

00:18:17.320 That was from Tara Burton, who writes a lot about religion.

00:18:20.000 It's interesting because I think that a lot of her work works on, she has talked a lot about the Vatican and the recent crisis in the Catholic Church.

00:18:29.940 And I think it's particularly challenging because when we talk about religion here, we're talking about a lot of different religions.

00:18:35.820 So I think it's interesting that she's able to write so effectively across a wide swath of religious beliefs.

00:18:43.220 I really like the piece.

00:18:44.100 I think people should go read it.

00:18:45.180 I liked another.

00:18:45.880 There was one at Alatea a while ago on the cultic imagery in that Ariana Grande video.

00:18:52.300 And it was this terrific piece written by a self-described witch.

00:18:55.680 And I think a lot of people on the left and the right don't appreciate religious symbolism because a lot of people are religiously illiterate now.

00:19:03.340 You are not religiously illiterate.

00:19:05.120 And you have some common ground with conservatives, or you at least have an understanding of some aspects of conservatism, which I think makes you unique in many ways.

00:19:16.020 So I want your perspective on this.

00:19:18.860 Completely changing gears here.

00:19:21.080 Hillary Clinton, within the last couple days, has said that the time for civility is over.

00:19:26.360 We can't be civil.

00:19:27.280 We're going to be civil once the Democrats retake the government.

00:19:29.960 Eric Holder said, forget about Michelle Obama's.

00:19:33.060 When they go low, we go high. 0.99

00:19:34.160 When they go low, we're going to kick them right in the face. 0.99

00:19:36.940 What say you, both the perspective on civility from the left and broadly for the whole country? 0.98

00:19:45.520 Well, I think from the left, we have to recognize that the left is responding to this phenomenon at which the right has basically been saying,

00:19:55.320 why are you kicking yourself, why are you kicking yourself, why are you kicking yourself, why are you kicking yourself for three years? 0.58

00:19:59.780 And at the same time-

00:20:00.100 No, do you think the right has been uncivil?

00:20:02.960 I think the right has been uncivil, yes.

00:20:04.920 I think everyone involved has been uncivil.

00:20:06.920 And I'm operating entirely in good faith here.

00:20:09.900 I think that the same people, you know, I think that it's complicated, and I talk about this a lot, how when we talk about the right or the left, we need to be really careful in our terms.

00:20:18.980 Because I think that we run the risk of conflating David French at National Review with someone writing at Breitbart.

00:20:26.200 When we vote, we all know that those are not the same thing.

00:20:29.180 Different perspectives, yeah.

00:20:30.200 Right, different perspectives.

00:20:32.420 You know, we're not talking about Noah Rothman at commentary versus, like, someone getting aggregated at Twitchy.

00:20:38.360 These are different things and a different conceptualization of what the right is.

00:20:42.720 So I think that, first and foremost, it's important to kind of get at our terms here.

00:20:47.020 Because I think what Clinton and Holder and others are responding to is this idea that, you know, I remember that that was that kind of meme of 2015, 2016 about Trump, the butt he fights.

00:20:59.680 That, you know, Trump accusing Ted Cruz's father of being the killer of JFK.

00:21:05.580 He was just raising questions.

00:21:07.140 He was just raising questions.

00:21:07.980 He was just raising questions.

00:21:09.360 You know, nothing happened to him. 0.60

00:21:10.980 And you saw again and again that, you know, everyone made fun of Jeb Bush because basically, you know, called him a cuck because he wasn't like Trump.

00:21:19.860 And this idea that Trump won on the basis of fighting and on the basis of just feeling willing to insult people and insulting Ted Cruz's wife and insulting Hillary Clinton.

00:21:29.560 And this idea that, okay, well, that seemed to work.

00:21:33.200 And now you're seeing, I think, some people on the left say, like, all right, well, I mean, I think that that's what you're kind of getting at, I think, but I brought this up before, that Michael Avenatti is a logical presidential candidate because he's just as terrible.

00:21:48.520 Right, right.

00:21:49.060 But, you know, and I totally grant you Donald Trump fought very hard against his Republican primary opponents and against Hillary Clinton.

00:21:56.460 But you remember Hillary Clinton called half the country deplorable and irredeemable.

00:22:01.660 And this wasn't, and I'm not even that concerned about political rhetoric per se because both sides can get nasty, both sides can fight.

00:22:08.780 What I'm talking about, though, is since President Trump won, you've got elected Democrats, Maxine Waters say, go out there, find Republicans where they eat, where they sleep, go to their homes, you know, harass them in public.

00:22:22.720 Like, I don't think that we have seen a similarity on the right.

00:22:27.800 I actually don't think that there's moral equivalence here.

00:22:31.520 I think that it's challenging because, again, we're working with our definitions of, like, who gets to be counted on the right.

00:22:37.120 Because I know that if I bring up Unite the Right and Charlottesville, you will rightly say, like, those aren't conservatives.

00:22:43.460 You know, Richard Spencer is not a conservative.

00:22:44.220 They say that they're not conservatives.

00:22:46.100 They say that they're alternative.

00:22:47.840 And then, you know, you'll see, like, David Duke, when he was at Unite the Right, was like, I'm here because of Donald Trump.

00:22:54.680 And understandably, conservatives will be like, whoa, that's, no, that's not on us.

00:22:58.300 That's not a part of us.

00:22:59.100 But those guys, Jane, surely there's a difference between David Duke and Richard Spencer and the, you know, now I think what has atrophied to the five people in their basements who call themselves alternative right, down from 200 or 300.

00:23:12.620 To Maxine Waters, who's an elected Democrat and who's been in office forever.

00:23:18.000 Yeah, and Steve King is also an elected Republican.

00:23:20.880 And, again, like, we could keep going back and forth.

00:23:23.380 And I think that that's...

00:23:24.180 But Steve King's never called for violence, never called for public harassment.

00:23:27.560 I think that when you're talking about someone like Steve King or you're talking about this concept of, like, who's promoting violence and who isn't promoting violence, I think that it's important.

00:23:37.160 First, I want to say at the top that promoting violence is bad.

00:23:40.660 It's a bad idea.

00:23:42.840 We agree.

00:23:44.000 You know, if someone, like, drives into a building because Jane Coastin said something, I just want to be here on the record saying, please don't drive into a building.

00:23:51.600 But I want to be clear that there is a sense that I think a lot of people in love have this idea that, you know, when there's a lock her up chant at a rally, which obviously features not violence, to be perfectly clear.

00:24:05.620 But I think that there's a sense, like, why can these people get away with something and we can't get away with something?

00:24:10.740 No one should be getting away with it at all.

00:24:12.300 But the lock her up chant is asking why Hillary Clinton is allowed to get away with something as well, right? 0.97

00:24:17.720 Which is, why is she allowed to get away with mishandling federal records? 1.00

00:24:21.040 Why is she allowed to get away with wiping her servers? 1.00

00:24:22.860 Why is she allowed to get away with this and that? 1.00

00:24:24.260 I'm not defending it, though I do defend the lock her up chant. 1.00

00:24:28.100 I'm just saying there is a difference between that and saying go to Hillary Clinton's home where she sleeps and kick her out of restaurants. 1.00

00:24:36.360 I think that there is a sense that there is no, how best to put this, I think that for some people on the left, there is a sense that the degradation of how people see politics

00:24:52.880 and the personalization of politics means that they're an idea that, you know, if you see Ted Cruz, that's the same Ted Cruz who is, you know, making fun of Beto O'Rourke for pointing out the murder of Both of Jean in a Twitter ad.

00:25:09.360 You know, that the personalization of politics means that people, you know, you see Ted Cruz, you're not seeing Ted Cruz guy eating dinner, you're seeing Ted Cruz that politician.

00:25:18.600 And I think that there is a sense on the left, and I think somewhat on the right in a little bit, but I think it's a different conceptualization, that the personalization of politics means that political figures, it's not, you know, a lot of people have criticized this because you see pictures of Michelle Obama and George W. Bush together.

00:25:38.240 And they've talked a lot about how they have this really enjoyable friendship.

00:25:40.960 And people get very mad about this, on both the right and on the left, because there's that, you know, that old five versus five thing that everyone kind of clocks in, we yell at each other, we clock out, we go back to hanging out, which in some ways is actually kind of how it should work a little bit.

00:25:56.840 But for a lot of people on both sides, there's a sense like, no, no, we, this is a fight to death.

00:26:02.180 You know, you see people who start longing for the return of the Civil War, which no one should long for the return of the Civil War.

00:26:08.580 And you see that on both sides, people saying like, well, the red states have more guns, or like, well, you know.

00:26:13.720 We do have more guns.

00:26:14.560 I mean, there's no question about that.

00:26:16.400 I think that, you know, one, the Civil War was bad, and we shouldn't do it again. 0.94

00:26:21.060 But also, the personalization of politics means that, you know, people, when someone is sending Maxine Waters, or someone is sending Cory Gardner death threats, you're not sending a person death threats.

00:26:32.540 You're sending this political entity who's not a real person.

00:26:36.120 Well, I will.

00:26:36.600 And I think that.

00:26:37.420 I do want to point out on the personalization of politics, though, because I agree with you entirely.

00:26:42.200 I despise the personalization of politics.

00:26:44.340 I will point out, just as an historical point, it was the new left that adopted this mantra in the 1960s.

00:26:50.700 The personal is the political.

00:26:52.460 The political is the personal.

00:26:54.420 Second wave feminists, but much more broadly than second wave feminists. 0.81

00:26:58.160 And I don't know.

00:26:58.760 I think you're seeing the fruit of that today.

00:27:01.720 But I do want to know also, because when I look at, you know, where the Democratic Party is going, I don't know.

00:27:09.040 I have my own skewed perspective.

00:27:10.640 You know, I don't think I've referred to Elizabeth Warren without calling her Laya Watha in the last two years.

00:27:16.240 So I want to know from your perspective, where do you think it's going to go?

00:27:19.960 Or is it going to be some belligerent Michael Avenatti, you know, guy who just makes things up and challenges people to mixed martial arts fights?

00:27:28.500 Or are you going to get a more, I don't know.

00:27:31.840 I actually don't even really know who the moderate or centrist Democrat would be.

00:27:35.780 I guess Joe Biden would be maybe the closest.

00:27:37.500 Where is it going to go as we head through the midterms and into 2020?

00:27:43.080 Well, I think that it's complicated because, you know, if we think back to 2014, people were not exactly talking about a Donald Trump presidential run until we get to that, you know, the June 2015 escalator moment.

00:27:54.080 Right.

00:27:54.180 But I think that what you're seeing on the ground right now is that the number one issue that Democrats are running on isn't Trump.

00:28:01.100 It's not Russia. 0.79

00:28:01.820 It's health care.

00:28:02.840 And you're seeing that in state after state after state after state.

00:28:05.820 And, you know, I'll talk specifically about, say, the state of Michigan.

00:28:08.800 The state of Michigan is a really interesting example because you have the Democrats going really hard on the issue of criminal justice because they're pointing out the fact that Larry Nassar, one of the worst sexual abusers in American history.

00:28:22.200 Who abused hundreds of children, essentially, you know, a lot of Democrats are kind of saying, like, clearly Republicans who were in charge in Lansing were not able to get a handle on this issue or on the Flint water issue.

00:28:36.200 So I think what you're going to see more is this increased, you know, I think conservatives will love it because it's a return to federalism, increased localism in politics.

00:28:45.800 Because you're seeing, you know, in Ohio, in Wisconsin, in Minnesota, in Michigan, a lot of these states, you're seeing people saying, you know, I don't really care, you know, Trump, Russia, whatever, that's fine.

00:28:56.700 I want to talk about this specific issue.

00:28:59.120 You saw that in Virginia last year in the special election where you had candidates who were running for the Virginia House talking about, like, I have nothing to say about Trump.

00:29:08.240 All I care about is this traffic issue.

00:29:10.100 And they win because it turns out that when you live in the state of Virginia, you care a lot about traffic.

00:29:15.380 And so, you know, I'm not sure what that's going to result in, in terms of a 2020 nominee, because I have gotten out of the business of trying to predict what is going to happen with presidential nominees.

00:29:27.680 But I do think that Democrats on the ground are really going with a, OK, what are people actually worried about?

00:29:35.800 Not like I think that there's a sense that, you know, there's like what we get riled up about on Twitter.

00:29:40.460 There are people who are fake worried about things.

00:29:43.260 And then there are people, you know, I think, you know, when I was before I came to Vox, you know, I was paying for my own and my spouse's own health care.

00:29:52.020 And that was a that's a major concern for millions of people.

00:29:55.180 I was really concerned about housing issues because, you know, I live in the city of D.C.

00:30:01.060 D.C.'s very expensive for housing.

00:30:03.320 And it kind of, you know, when we decide to have a family, that's something we need to think about.

00:30:08.040 And it is for a lot of people, which is why you're seeing housing becoming a big electoral issue.

00:30:12.700 I think in Seattle and elsewhere.

00:30:15.000 Well, I do.

00:30:15.460 I do agree.

00:30:16.440 I think I think you're absolutely right, especially on the Twitter point, which is that a Twitter is largely fake.

00:30:23.840 You know, it is all of the outrage.

00:30:25.600 I think that is largely fake when it gets down to real people.

00:30:28.700 I'm skeptical that we're going to be returning to federalism.

00:30:32.200 I hope you're right.

00:30:33.300 I think it would be very nice if we do that.

00:30:34.840 But I think that we're thoroughly in the bread and circuses, politics is entertainment, presidential politics is entertainment mode.

00:30:42.360 So but we'll have to see.

00:30:43.060 I have to let you go, Jane.

00:30:44.120 Thank you for being here.

00:30:45.060 We will have to have you back.

00:30:47.600 Sounds great.

00:30:48.300 Have a good one.

00:30:48.820 All right.

00:30:49.040 See you later.

00:30:50.080 So we we have to get to mailbag.

00:30:52.320 Before we do that, I do want to mention very briefly the Music Modernization Act.

00:30:56.600 The Music Modernization Act.

00:30:58.320 Nobody is talking about this.

00:30:59.860 Nobody knows what it means.

00:31:00.780 I think conservatives are a little misguided on this.

00:31:02.980 That is what President Trump signed into law today.

00:31:05.460 All the musicians were at the White House.

00:31:07.500 It passed, I think, unanimously through Congress and the Senate.

00:31:11.860 It's the first bill to do that.

00:31:13.260 It may be in my lifetime.

00:31:14.380 You know, I don't remember.

00:31:15.500 And certainly in this political climate.

00:31:17.880 What the Music Modernization Act does is it really helps out songwriters.

00:31:23.040 So just briefly, because I think some people think that it's the government intruding into the market with regard to music and music publishing and streaming.

00:31:31.820 It's exactly the opposite.

00:31:34.100 The government has had its heavy hand on this for so long.

00:31:38.000 And I know a number of songwriters, pretty well-known songwriters.

00:31:41.480 So they've been looking into this for years and years.

00:31:43.660 Apparently, what happened is in 1906 or 1909, when this kind of copyright and music regime was established, it was because piano roll companies, you know, like the player pianos, you put the roll in and it just starts playing.

00:31:58.760 And they were really upset because they didn't want to have to pay songwriters.

00:32:03.940 So they go to Papa, Uncle Sam, big government, and say, we don't want to have to pay them a lot.

00:32:08.920 We want the government to set rates.

00:32:10.660 We don't want rates to be adjusted with inflation.

00:32:13.060 We don't all of this, right?

00:32:13.860 So the producers and the publishers and the songwriters really get hurt with this.

00:32:21.900 Now, until today, another aspect of this Music Modernization Act was that songwriters from who published works before 1972 would just not be paid when their music was streamed.

00:32:33.400 They just wouldn't get, they'd just get nothing.

00:32:35.020 Sorry, too bad.

00:32:36.200 And the whole regime was really messy.

00:32:39.020 This bill is the biggest change to that since 1909, since the first decade of the 20th century.

00:32:46.540 And it took a lot of political courage.

00:32:48.220 The reason is no senator, no congressman wants to champion the rights of songwriters.

00:32:53.360 Like, who cares?

00:32:54.480 They're kind of spread out all over the place.

00:32:56.280 L.A., Nashville, a little bit.

00:32:58.260 Nobody wants to be their champion.

00:32:59.860 There's no political upside for them to put their necks out for this.

00:33:03.020 It's a complicated issue.

00:33:04.640 You don't want to upset either record producers or this or that.

00:33:07.760 And it took a lot of political courage.

00:33:10.220 And a lot of songwriters are saying, Democrats were behind the bill, but only this administration could have gotten it through.

00:33:16.160 Only a pro-business, pro-market administration who took this seriously and was willing to take the political risk and the moral risk could have gotten this through.

00:33:24.420 And that's what I've been saying all week, and I've been saying it for a long time about this administration.

00:33:28.740 It has real moral clarity.

00:33:31.620 I don't, I'm not saying the president knows everything about this law.

00:33:34.680 I don't know that he's read this law.

00:33:35.720 I probably, he hasn't read this law.

00:33:37.520 But he does have this kind of gut instinct, it seems, on moral and political clarity.

00:33:41.920 And I'm glad we could see that.

00:33:43.080 And I'm glad that we could also get that Kanye presser out of it, too.

00:33:45.680 We've got a lot of mailbag coming up.

00:33:47.080 Don't go away.

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00:33:53.100 Guys, none of this matters.

00:33:55.080 This is what matters.

00:33:57.040 If you haven't gotten your Tumblr yet, then I'm sorry that you've drowned.

00:34:02.200 May the Lord have mercy on your soul after that Kanye presser in the Oval Office.

00:34:06.640 If you have your Tumblr, but it's filled to the brim, you're worried, you know, you're worried for your family and your property and yourself, go get another one.

00:34:13.140 Go to dailywire.com.

00:34:14.200 We'll be right back.

00:34:14.740 We're getting through these today, and you can't stop me.

00:34:27.700 You can't stop me.

00:34:29.100 Starting with Timothy.

00:34:30.020 Hey, Michael.

00:34:31.200 What is the most recent book that you have read, and what is one book that you plan to read soon?

00:34:37.080 Thank you.

00:34:37.540 You're the man.

00:34:38.200 No, you're the man.

00:34:39.320 Funny you should ask.

00:34:40.080 What I'm doing right now is I'm rereading Dante, rereading the comedy, which is the greatest poem ever written, and it's been nine years since I've read Dante, and I just felt like reading it again.

00:34:52.300 Nine is a very important number to Dante, and it's just the most tremendous work of art I've ever encountered, so I really recommend that you read it.

00:35:00.000 If you can read it in translation, there are a few good translations, all free on the internet, and if you have Italian, it's much more beautiful in Italian if you can read it that way.

00:35:10.980 And if you want, you can also, on the podcast, get a lecture series on the comedy, so you can read along with the lecture series, coincidentally, by the guy who taught me Dante, Giuseppe Mazzotta.

00:35:23.740 It's a Yale Open course.

00:35:25.080 It's really, really good.

00:35:26.520 I highly recommend it, and it's in English.

00:35:28.200 It's in translation, so you can get that.

00:35:29.620 I think that it was actually recorded the year I studied with him, coincidentally, at 2009, but now it's up on podcast, so you can go listen to that, too.

00:35:39.460 I also just read, I was reading Columbus and the Quest for Jerusalem by Carol Delaney.

00:35:43.820 It's a really good book.

00:35:45.180 I've got Gorka's book.

00:35:46.240 We talked about Gorka's book yesterday.

00:35:47.680 That was a lot of fun.

00:35:49.440 I'm always reading a lot of books at once, so that's what I'm reading.

00:35:52.720 What do I plan to read in the future?

00:35:54.060 I don't know.

00:35:54.480 I've got to get through Dante first, and then I've got to get back through.

00:35:57.200 That takes a long time.

00:35:58.340 A hundred, Conti.

00:35:58.960 So I'll get through Dante, and then let me know if you have a good book.

00:36:01.780 Recommend one to me.

00:36:02.900 From Rodolfo.

00:36:04.420 Hi, Michael.

00:36:05.340 My sister and her female partner recently decided to have a baby after being together 13 years.

00:36:11.040 You need to rush out and call a scientist.

00:36:12.940 You need to call the President of the United States.

00:36:14.720 This is incredible.

00:36:16.240 They have been trying to do this for all of human history, and now two women have figured out how to... 0.99

00:36:20.240 No, no, no.

00:36:20.580 I'm sorry.

00:36:20.860 I have to read more.

00:36:21.700 Both in their early 30s, her partner would be the one to conceive the baby.

00:36:24.960 I oppose her decision based on the argument that I think it's deeply selfish to deprive a child of a father just to fulfill their own wants.

00:36:32.340 Legally, I think they should be able to do whatever without the law forbidding them.

00:36:36.580 What are your thoughts, and how would I go about to express my disapproval without getting a knee-jerk reaction of,

00:36:42.640 you think we shouldn't be allowed to have babies argument that I expect? 0.97

00:36:45.520 Thanks, love the show.

00:36:46.560 Yes, I agree with you entirely.

00:36:48.220 I think it's deeply selfish and wrong to conceive a baby for the purpose of not letting it have its father or have its mother, whatever.

00:36:56.680 You know, I think that's really, really profoundly wrong, and they shouldn't do that.

00:37:01.180 There are some options, though.

00:37:02.540 You know, we're in a very complicated regime of in vitro fertilization or conceiving some other way.

00:37:13.100 You know, there is the old-fashioned way.

00:37:14.980 And adoption, because now single parents can adopt, so of course same-sex couples can adopt.

00:37:19.440 It's very convoluted.

00:37:20.520 Also, the problem with in vitro fertilization is very often, almost all the time, it necessitates the abortion of embryos or freezing embryos in perpetuity.

00:37:33.120 So you create embryos that are either going to be killed or not allowed to grow.

00:37:37.740 So that's a big problem in and of itself.

00:37:41.000 What your sisters could do if they want to raise a child, or your sister and her partner, 0.58

00:37:46.840 if they want to raise a child, that can be a noble thing.

00:37:51.500 I don't think that you should create a baby, beget a baby, and not let it know its father or have some strange relationship to its father.

00:38:00.560 But, you know, you could always, your sister could always adopt, especially a foster child.

00:38:04.720 In the United States, there's something like 32 or 36 families waiting to adopt for every one child.

00:38:09.920 But when it gets up to, or for every one infant, but when it gets up to older children, it's much harder.

00:38:14.760 And there are a lot of people in the foster system.

00:38:16.260 There are a lot of people in group homes.

00:38:18.480 A lot of people have had to leave bad homes for bad reasons.

00:38:22.580 Your sister could adopt one of them.

00:38:24.060 And I think that would be, you know, taking a bad situation and making it much better.

00:38:29.600 You're not depriving a child of knowing its father or knowing its mother.

00:38:33.860 The parents have deprived that child of knowing his parents.

00:38:38.000 And you could take a bad situation and make it better.

00:38:40.380 I wouldn't start, though, from the premise of condemnation or of, you know, yelling at them or anything like that.

00:38:47.700 It's a perfectly natural desire to raise a child.

00:38:51.360 And it can be a perfectly good desire.

00:38:52.980 But you don't want a good thing to be turned for a bad purpose.

00:38:56.540 You want to be able to channel that and make the best of the situation as you can.

00:38:59.880 From Sarah.

00:39:00.860 Hi, Michael.

00:39:01.980 I had a situation recently that the father of one of my best friends passed away due to cancer.

00:39:06.240 This friend and her family, who I have known and loved for more than 20 years, are vehemently anti-Christian, very liberal, have always been.

00:39:12.860 Because I had so much love and affection for the man, I felt compelled to somehow convey to him my Christian thoughts about Jesus dying for our sins in hope for a deathbed conversion when I visited.

00:39:21.980 However, I hesitated at the last minute and he died the next day.

00:39:25.780 I have felt bad ever since because I missed my opportunity.

00:39:29.440 What would you have done in this situation?

00:39:31.860 Very hard situation.

00:39:32.960 And I think a lot of Christians feel this way when they visit friends or relatives who are dying and remain atheists or whatever.

00:39:41.920 I don't think that it's appropriate to, you know, proselytize at the very last minute in a very heated emotional moment.

00:39:51.980 St. Francis said, preach the gospel and if you must speak.

00:39:55.620 So hopefully some of that Christian charity and virtue and grace is reflected in your behavior and that your friends saw that.

00:40:06.100 But, you know, you can never know the state of a soul.

00:40:11.120 You can never know the soul's relationship to God.

00:40:13.960 Antonin Scalia said before he died that he doesn't even know if Judas Iscariot is in hell.

00:40:18.100 You can never know that.

00:40:19.460 You know, Christ finds people.

00:40:21.140 Christ comes down the mountain to find people and then you have your free will to turn and accept that or not.

00:40:28.460 So I certainly, you know, maybe, I don't know.

00:40:31.180 It's really hard to say what I would have done in a hypothetical situation.

00:40:34.120 I don't think I would have gotten up and proselytized.

00:40:36.440 Maybe I would have made a couple little remarks about, you know, going up to meet your maker, good maker and all of that.

00:40:41.080 But I wouldn't beat yourself up over it.

00:40:43.940 I don't think that would be appropriate.

00:40:45.820 Your job is to reflect the love of Christ in your actions and to preach the gospel and you don't necessarily have to speak.

00:40:54.000 From Thomas.

00:40:56.040 Dearest St. Michael, I wrote to you, that's very nice.

00:40:59.760 It was the Feast of St. Michael a week or two ago.

00:41:01.580 I wrote to you recently about dating these days despite my 60 plus hour work schedule.

00:41:06.200 You recommend online dating.

00:41:08.740 Or I recommended it to you.

00:41:10.180 I took your advice and boy howdy I got some dates.

00:41:12.940 This past weekend I went on a second date with a woman with a PhD in biology. 0.94

00:41:16.800 We got talking about social issues.

00:41:19.040 It did not go well.

00:41:20.540 She is a female Bernie bro with a white girl's guilty conscience about slavery. 1.00

00:41:25.000 I asked some exploratory questions.

00:41:27.220 Some how do you define X questions and she got triggered hardcore.

00:41:30.920 I saw a leftist tear gathering at the corner of her eye.

00:41:36.420 But we hugged it out at the end.

00:41:37.720 So here's the question.

00:41:38.820 Do I keep dating her hoping to either flip a communist or do I swipe left on the leftist and roll the dice again?

00:41:44.380 Yours truly, Thomas.

00:41:45.580 I don't know, is she cute? 1.00

00:41:47.640 You're getting things really backwards here, buddy.

00:41:50.380 I don't know, is she?

00:41:51.960 Let's assume she is.

00:41:54.360 The point on this that you should make it or that you should really consider is

00:41:57.800 the hardcore left wing, you know, screechy, no, purple hat, pink hat.

00:42:04.740 That girl would never see you again. 1.00

00:42:06.480 That girl would not even entertain. 1.00

00:42:08.020 She probably would have stormed out of the restaurant or, you know, shrieked in your face. 1.00

00:42:11.680 So if she didn't do that, there's hope.

00:42:13.320 Where there's life, there's hope.

00:42:14.320 And also, look, I have, I've supported abortion in my life.

00:42:19.820 I would have called myself agnostic or atheist.

00:42:22.280 I even had a flirtation with leftism when I was, you know, eighth or ninth grade, something like that.

00:42:28.160 People change.

00:42:28.880 They change their minds all the time.

00:42:30.160 So there might be hope for her.

00:42:32.960 I was talking, I was hanging out with Fleckis the other day, Austin Fletcher, you know, Fleckis talks.

00:42:36.840 And he had a friend of his along.

00:42:39.360 And she said that she was a Bernie bro leftist a year ago.

00:42:43.740 And now she's a conservative because someone opened her eyes. 0.93

00:42:47.400 So I think that's very important, especially on bio, biological and bioethical issues.

00:42:52.300 Because I, I, the people who are pro-abortion, I think they just don't see the argument.

00:42:56.620 They're seeing all of the science and they're seeing none of the philosophy and theology.

00:43:00.800 They're seeing all of the physics, but none of the metaphysics.

00:43:03.160 So I don't know, if she's cute, take her out again. 1.00

00:43:04.740 If she's not, you know, and you're not into it, move on, man.

00:43:07.220 Yeah, that's what the, this is like the one advantage of dating apps is that you can meet a lot of people.

00:43:11.560 So, but I don't know.

00:43:13.240 I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't dismiss an open-minded or curious left-winger just because she doesn't check all the boxes of politics. 0.98

00:43:22.360 We have time for a couple more from Nellio.

00:43:25.900 Good day, Mr. Opium of the Masses, Michael.

00:43:29.400 I'm a Catholic and the rise of anti-humanism today is rather frightening.

00:43:32.660 Some friends of mine are advocating for one-child policies and even going as far as to say that we have a moral obligation to not have children anymore. 0.94

00:43:41.320 How can we fight this neo-Malthusian garbage? 1.00

00:43:44.880 How can we start pulling ourselves out of this hole of anti-human narcissism? 0.91

00:43:48.960 Thank you for an amazing podcast.

00:43:50.420 Greetings from South Africa.

00:43:52.420 South Africa.

00:43:54.400 This is a defining feature of the left. 0.91

00:43:56.580 They hate human life.

00:43:59.220 It hates human life.

00:44:00.360 And leftists who flirt with leftism hate human life to varying degrees. 0.83

00:44:05.520 The communists, that cuck Norris, you know, was totally anti-human life. 0.99

00:44:12.100 They talk about, they want to kill old people with euthanasia. 1.00

00:44:15.580 They want to kill babies with abortion. 0.99

00:44:17.660 They're just anti-human. 0.99

00:44:19.420 And it's because they get everything backwards.

00:44:21.800 They, I've heard this from friends of mine who are environmentalists, vegan, you know, that whole thing.

00:44:27.520 Is, they say, oh, global warming is so bad.

00:44:30.040 It's caused by people.

00:44:31.020 We need less people.

00:44:31.860 Fewer people.

00:44:32.880 They say, you know, humans are bad for the environment.

00:44:36.440 Which isn't true, by the way.

00:44:37.680 In the history of America, since Western colonization of the Americas, the environment has improved dramatically.

00:44:44.600 The natural environment, forests, and all things have improved dramatically because the indigenous peoples burned down whole forests. 1.00

00:44:50.180 It's a sidebar.

00:44:52.040 But they get it backwards.

00:44:53.480 The natural environment is here for us.

00:44:56.740 We have dominion over the land and over the sea.

00:44:58.680 It's here for us.

00:44:59.580 We tend it.

00:45:00.480 We tend it as we tend to garden.

00:45:02.260 We are stewards over it.

00:45:03.440 But it's for us.

00:45:04.380 Don't get it backwards.

00:45:05.140 This is a difference between environmentalism and conservationism.

00:45:09.120 Environmentalists say that we need to protect the environment because it has rights and it's so beautiful and it's Mother Gaia.

00:45:14.840 And conservationists say we need to protect the environment so that we can enjoy it some more.

00:45:19.760 You know, they say we need to protect the deer so that we can keep shooting the deer.

00:45:25.300 And that's a much more balanced perspective.

00:45:27.560 So I think one way is to mock it because it's not that environmentalism doesn't have a good point.

00:45:35.400 It's just that it gets everything out of balance.

00:45:37.840 It has no sense of humor.

00:45:39.100 It has no sense of the natural balance of the world, which is true so much in leftism.

00:45:43.720 And when something doesn't have a sense of humor, you should laugh at it.

00:45:46.580 And hopefully it will restore a little balance.

00:45:48.420 Do we have time for one more?

00:45:49.340 One more.

00:45:49.760 I don't care what you say.

00:45:50.680 From Christopher, with Columbus Day, I mean Indigenous Peoples Day over, I re-watched your Columbus Day special, which talks about how he was a great man.

00:46:00.880 However, I also saw the Adam Ruins Everything episode about Christopher Columbus. 0.78

00:46:05.700 And he starts off calling him an incompetent buffoon.

00:46:09.580 He does back up what he says with sources, but you can't both be right about Columbus. 0.93

00:46:14.460 With two diametrically different points of view on the same person, how are we supposed to distinguish who is right and who is wrong?

00:46:19.280 Big fan of the show.

00:46:19.960 Thanks, Chris.

00:46:20.400 Oh, I'm right.

00:46:23.440 Does that clear it up?

00:46:25.560 I don't know who Adam Ruins Everything is, and I have never seen it, but I do know a lot about Christopher Columbus.

00:46:31.160 If this guy is saying that he was an incompetent buffoon, I'll just throw out some factoids that maybe could dispel that.

00:46:39.960 He discovered the Americas from Europe. 0.97

00:46:43.060 He discovered the New World.

00:46:44.680 He was the greatest navigator of his age.

00:46:46.620 He made it across the Ocean Sea using mostly dead reckoning.

00:46:49.880 He didn't even have an astrolabe on his first voyage, and yet he made it down.

00:46:54.440 How did he know?

00:46:55.060 He sensed when he was on Porto Santo, when he was in Portugal, he could feel, and he would take all of these incredible voyages up to Britain, up to even past Britain, up into the Arctic.

00:47:05.860 And he could feel the easterly currents in the northern Atlantic.

00:47:09.420 So he just suspected, as far as I can tell, the first guy to suspect, that there might be a westerly current if you went a little further down south.

00:47:16.360 So he decided that he would sail a little bit further south.

00:47:20.000 Certainly he felt that westerly current, and he took it all the way over to the Americas.

00:47:23.900 He was also brilliantly educated beyond just his navigational skills, which were unparalleled in his time.

00:47:31.740 The evidence of that, of course, there was a lot of evidence of that, one of which is he discovered the Americas.

00:47:36.960 But also he was devoted to reading the Bible at a time when a lot of people didn't read the Bible because either they were illiterate,

00:47:44.360 and Christopher Columbus certainly was literate and in many ways self-taught, but he made sure education was very important to him.

00:47:52.340 But he read the Bible devotedly.

00:47:55.820 I think he was with Franciscan monks, and he would read it all of the time because he was trying to figure out the age since the first man.

00:48:03.100 He was trying to figure out when predictions of the apocalypse would happen.

00:48:06.880 He was trying to figure out how to make sense of all geopolitics, the fall of Constantinople.

00:48:12.460 And so he would read that very well.

00:48:13.860 He spoke a number of languages, Italian, Spanish, obviously.

00:48:17.860 He was determined, and he knew exactly how to play the Portuguese and the Spanish.

00:48:22.740 He was kicked out.

00:48:24.580 He was ultimately rejected from the Spanish crown to fund his voyage.

00:48:29.400 And at the very last minute, they called him back, and his biographers, his contemporary and early biographers,

00:48:34.500 suggest that the reason that he was called back is because of the sheer force of his personality and the brilliance of his wit.

00:48:41.120 So that's just a little taste.

00:48:42.580 Just a little taste.

00:48:43.440 But whoever this Adam person is has no idea what he's talking about.

00:48:46.520 That's our show.

00:48:47.600 I wish we could get to more, but we can't.

00:48:50.020 Make sure that you tune in tomorrow, I think.

00:48:52.920 Another Kingdom is being released for everybody.

00:48:55.100 If you're a subscriber, you can already see Another Kingdom right now on the website.

00:48:59.660 And it is really cool.

00:49:00.480 You know, my job in Another Kingdom is to read the book, so I got the best job.

00:49:05.100 But the story is incredible, and the artwork is really, really good.

00:49:09.640 You know, we now have visual production.

00:49:13.380 So there's sets, there's artwork.

00:49:15.600 It's really cool.

00:49:16.420 It's awesome.

00:49:16.800 So check it out at dailywire.com, or you can watch part of it tomorrow and listen to the whole thing.

00:49:23.140 Otherwise, have a good weekend.

00:49:23.980 I'm Michael Knowles.

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The Michael Knowles Show - October 11, 2018

Ep. 233 - Democrats’ Demon Craft

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