Ep. 24 - Is The Swamp Swallowing Trump？ w⧸ fmr. Congresswoman Nan Hayworth
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On this episode of The Michael Knowles Show, Michael talks about a new podcast from Wondery, Patrick Wyman's Tides of History, which explores the history of the modern world through the lens of the Renaissance and Enlightenment.
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Steve Bannon has accused Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell of being swamp monsters.
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My dear friend, the first female physician ever elected to Congress,
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Dr. Nan Hayworth, will join our show to discuss the swamp,
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congressional gridlock, and the wealth of nations.
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Then, Emily Butler and Jacob Berry will join the panel of deplorables
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to talk about the biggest mistake in modern political history,
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We talk all the time on the show about how nobody knows anything about history.
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That's why all the hysterical people on the left are talking –
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they always compare Trump to Hitler or the Third Reich or fall of Rome.
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It's because no one ever knows anything about history other than the fall of Rome and the Third Reich.
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and the podcast is from PhD historian Patrick Wyman,
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and he answers all of these two periods that constructed our modern world.
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Antiquity, so the classical era, the fall of Rome,
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the period where we see the West building on all that we have from classical antiquity
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and creating the modern world, creating nation states.
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Why did all of these governments organize in roughly the same way around roughly the same period?
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What periods of globalization have already happened?
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We're seeing a new period happening now, but when have they happened before and why?
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And what happens when you privatize militaries?
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All of these questions can be traced back to the period of time during the Renaissance
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and you always hear that history is just one fact after another.
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He takes what could be really dry, boring history,
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and he weaves it into really engaging narratives.
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I listen to it when I'm driving, and it's a great way.
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It's really hard to take the time to read books.
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You know, I only get an hour or two to read a day.
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And it's just like injecting your brain with history knowledge.
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And so not only can you impress people at cocktail parties,
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but you'll also be able to understand your own civilization,
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It will make you realize that perhaps not everything is falling apart.
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And where are the historical backgrounds for that?
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So what you should do is you've got to Google it right now.
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And tweet me and let me know what you think about it,
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because I've really enjoyed listening to it so far.
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And go over there so we can keep these lights on.
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We had some explosive political news over the weekend,
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and that was Steve Bannon's interview with Charlie Rose on 60 Minutes.
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If you missed it for some reason, if you were hiding under a rock,
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here is just a clip of it to get the gist of it.
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The Republican establishment is trying to nullify the 2016 election.
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I think Mitch McConnell and, to a degree, Paul Ryan.
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They do not want Donald Trump's populist, economic, nationalist agenda to be implemented.
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Well, Mitch McConnell, when we first met him, he said, I think, in one of the first meetings
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in Trump Tower with the president, as we're wrapping up, he basically says,
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I don't want to hear any more of this drain the swamp talk.
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And so, therefore, now that you're out of the White House, you're going to war with him.
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The main question I had after watching this interview, you can watch the whole thing,
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it's about an hour long, is how Charlie Rose got his job.
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He just comes off so poorly and uninformed and like a left-wing hack.
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But this is CBS News, so perhaps it was ever thus.
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To comment on the swamp, I bring on now, I have the great privilege of bringing on my friend
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of a very long time, the first female physician ever elected to Congress.
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She represented New York's 19th congressional district until we got gerrymandered out
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And I was able to win that election for the sake of all the people we think so much about.
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And everybody who knows you is not surprised to hear that.
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And someday on the show, maybe I'll start telling some stories about all the lawsuit threats
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and the ex-rock stars and everything else that came out of that campaign.
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Because it was the most fun thing, pretty much, in the history of politics.
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We must get into the politics of what Bannon is talking about here.
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He is accusing D.C. of being an institutional place.
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He's saying the office of the speaker is an institution.
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There are forces like lobbyists and think tanks and donors and this and that.
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And this, that, and the other thing that are controlling Washington, D.C.
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Well, Michael, in some ways, the swamp is, in a sense, the swamp is ourselves.
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It's, we are not, one of the many lessons I learned when I was in Congress was that we look
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to our electeds to change things, but they will not be able to change anything unless they have
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And most of these, especially on the long-term public servants, quite honestly, or those
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who should be public servants, long-term electeds, are there because they have managed to satisfy
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So if we want really to change, we have to look to ourselves as Americans and say, we have
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to understand what we ask all these people to do when we send them to Washington.
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We have to understand the Framers' brilliant design for the federal government, the limitations
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of the federal government, and how far we have exceeded them.
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And unless we do that, we are not going to get change for the better, and we're not going
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to get change that makes the people who are seeking change happy with what happens.
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You are making an obvious point that nobody in this populist climate will make, which is
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David Mayhew became a famed political scientist for making the incredible observation that
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members of Congress are primarily motivated by re-election, and they will do what their
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constituents tell them to do, what their constituents ask them to do, and then their constituents will
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Look, if their constituents understand, when they say, we need to cut budgets, and they
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then understand that when we say that, that means we're going to have to cut some things
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that you like, then we could have a rational conversation about these things.
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But most of the time, that's not what's happening.
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Everybody wants somebody else's ox to be gored.
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I have, and that's not to say, by the way, that I have enormous sympathy for the predicament,
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if you will, in which Senator McConnell in particular finds himself.
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I am actually quite angry that he doesn't move to do the one thing that the president has urged
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so strongly that I think has to be done if we are actually to pass a legislative package,
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a legislative agenda that achieves something approaching the populist goals that the president
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And that is to put more Americans back to work, to make it possible for employers and
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businesses and small businesses to work better, to reduce the cost of labor in this country.
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And that means, and the president's made some progress with that, as much as he can make
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from the executive branch in reducing regulations.
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And he has done some things for which he deserves praise.
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But that's not going to happen unless they break the filibuster.
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We're not going to get that package of reforms.
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I don't dislike the idea of a filibuster, but the way that it's been abused by Democrats
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for so long, and the way that the government has been abused by Democrats, it seems to me
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And it's surprising that McConnell won't do it.
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Well, they like their prerogative, and they worry about being in the minority again.
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But the problem is, the Constitution allows the Senate to create its own rules.
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But the filibuster is not constitutionally required, mandated.
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Yeah, I don't remember that provision of the Constitution, right?
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Now, it's also said, and people will say in praise of the filibuster or in justification,
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well, you know, the Senate is supposed to be a great deliberative body, to which I respond,
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But over the most of the 20th century and into the 21st, we have asked the federal government
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to do vastly more than its original portfolio, so that we were never meant by the framers
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to be waiting on the Senate to reach consensus about matters that have to do with how citizens
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conduct their lives, namely pensions and benefits in particular, housing, education.
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Since the 17th Amendment, since the popular election of senators, it appears that the
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deliberation of that body, or the deliberative nature of it, has been dramatically weakened.
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Well, it's, we have, and we've expanded the, my biggest concern, as it was for many in
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the last election, was the composition of the Supreme Court.
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So that also, of course, emphasizes to all of us what can happen when our side is in
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And we like to have that filibuster power, if you will, to, you know, forestall events
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that we would find troubling, like the elevation of a Supreme Court justice whose opinion, particularly
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in the Commerce Clause, was different from Justice Scalia's, as would have been the case, had
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McConnell not use the filibuster, right, to block the nomination.
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But he had to break the filibuster to elevate Justice Gorsuch.
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And at this point, this is, this is like football in two ways.
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Number one, Chuck Schumer's like Lucy, he, you know, he issues the sanctimonious twaddle
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about how, of course, now we have to compromise and he intones and, you know, yes, he's so serious.
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But the other way it's like football is that we have to say at this point, you know what,
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we've got to play this quarter because we may not have a game after this.
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And if they don't break the filibuster on cloture on legislation, they're never going to reach
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a package that will have enough fiscally conservative reforms that we really do need.
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Damn it, we need Republicans to pass this thing.
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I don't want to exclude Democrats, but I don't want them to obstruct.
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We're never going to get there unless they break the filibuster on legislation.
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And to mix metaphors as much as we possibly can, you bring up a point that I really admire
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I really admire the way you've conducted yourself from the last, from this last presidential
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election onward, which is that you have to play the hand you're dealt.
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Politics is not about imagining how lovely it would be if something else had happened or if
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we lived in a different universe where Donald Trump were polite and nice and behaved himself
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at cocktail parties or that some, that Jim Gilmore were the nominee of the Republican party.
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I mean, you and I, you turned me on to Mitch Daniels.
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We spent a long time trying to get that guy to run, but you know, I've spent long enough
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imagining what it would be like to have that guy run for office.
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You, perhaps the most intelligent and educated member of your class in Congress and possibly
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You know, I really admire this because you come from circles that would be considered
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educated, elite, intelligent, socially refined.
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And you put your political goals and the political good of the country before your own image and
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your own sense of associating with a man who many consider uncouth.
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Well, and I know, Mike, we've talked about it, but President Trump represented to me by far
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And he is someone who has acknowledged the advice and counsel of people like Larry Kudlow
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and Steve Moore and Art Laffer and David Malpass, all of whom have the best ideas on how to move
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I know they're not the only voices the president has heard, but I know this quite firmly.
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Hillary Clinton would have given them no credence.
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Uh, and you know, if it's a matter of aesthetics, uh, the president is blunt, uh, he's forthright,
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uh, and he sometimes, uh, says things that, uh, others might with justification find
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objectable for one, objectionable for one or another reason.
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Uh, but we don't elect a president based on aesthetics.
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We base it and look at how he has performed with FEMA, with all the people whom he and his
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administration put into place to manage these two back-to-back enormous natural disasters.
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When he's gone overseas and he's talked with our allies, they have welcomed him.
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This is a man who understands far more than he's given credit for.
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Uh, and you know, Michael, I am, I have run out of patience, uh, with, and you and I both
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Uh, and I'm on the Princeton University Politics Department Advisory Council.
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I don't, I don't know how I stand with them anymore, but it's nice that you've, that you,
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they haven't totally kicked you out of the association.
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Since last October, but we did have a raft of work that we did and then it was, uh, kind
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of done for a while, but, uh, but you know what I, and I enjoy it and I appreciate it.
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And I think, you know, there's some terrific people working there, uh, including our chairman,
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but, uh, at our meeting in October before 16, before the election, uh, we had a discussion
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after formal business was concluded about for whom we would vote for president.
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Uh, and again, I'm not the only Republican on this committee, but I was certainly the only
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one who said, well, I'm going to vote for Donald Trump.
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Well, Michael, as you know, uh, those whom we, um, brush at, if you will, uh, you know,
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whom we give the designation establishment Republicans, uh, have at least as much disdain,
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uh, or had at least as, as much disdain for the prospective Trump voter as did Democrats.
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And as certainly at least as much disdain for Donald Trump as they do for Hillary Clinton.
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Well, so many of them voted for, uh, Hillary Clinton.
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And I, and I thought, you know, number one, I saw no moral, uh, divide between these two
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Uh, you know, I didn't think that that really was a valid set of considerations at all for
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You don't think that Hillary is some example of moral purity and virtue and nobility?
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Oh, you know, I, uh, when she, when, when, when Secretary Clinton was first lady and was
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designated by, uh, her president, then her husband, then President Clinton, uh, to manage
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healthcare, I, uh, as a woman and as a professional and as someone who's had many blessings in this
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country and understands that it's generations of women before me who helped make that happen.
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But I was insulted because I thought this is exactly the wrong message to say that because
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you are married to the president, uh, you know, now you are endowed with the power to reshape
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And so switching gears just a little bit, it is the, the anniversary of 9-11.
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Um, what, how should we think about our nation, our nation's response to that terrorist attack,
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our nation's response to catastrophes in general, 16 years later?
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Well, Michael, it does, as you know, uh, these, uh, unimaginably horrible events do, uh, lift the
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soul in showing us the best of what our nation represents, uh, in the response to, not only in
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the immediate time, the incredible courage of the New York, uh, police and fire departments,
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you know, New York's bravest, New York's finest.
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I mean, uh, nothing can compare to what they did, not only during the attacks, but in the aftermath,
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uh, but the wall street journal made a superb point a couple of weeks ago when they had their
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editorial board, uh, had an editorial, I think it was called disasters and the wealth of nations.
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Uh, and they were referring in the immediate, uh, instance to hurricane Harvey, we will get
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And the reason we'll get through this and the reason we will rebuild is in no small part,
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not only due to the American spirit, which we celebrate, but also due to the fact that we
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are blessed to be, uh, within the world's and history's greatest, uh, economic engine of
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It is by design, the design of our constitution, the most humane and empowering document ever created.
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And unless we can fully appreciate, uh, when calmer moments come and we can think beyond
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the, uh, events at hand and beyond the immediate, uh, need for recovery as we do now for, for
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Irma, uh, but as we did after September 11th, unless we think beyond that to understand that
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we have to empower those who are most productive, empower our workers, uh, not have a federal
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government that imposes unreasonable burdens to have, uh, elected officials who can be modest
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enough to recognize that it is not they who are the heroes.
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It is not they who are supposed to distribute largesse, uh, to a needy public, but it is
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in fact, their constituents who must be empowered to have the dignity of working and producing
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And earning and reaping the rewards of their work.
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Right now we have a federal government that is confiscatory and predatory and whatever they
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claim to deliver in terms of benefits, people like Charles Schumer, uh, who want to set
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themselves up as our, uh, as our heroes because they, uh, demand that the federal government
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You know, that is actually weakening us and taking away resources and making us inefficient
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Uh, so we create wealth by putting Americans to work and letting them do the rest.
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That's a wonderful moral case, uh, relating the, the spirit of America, the engines of
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growth that have made America and our resilience are almost our anti-fragility to borrow a phrase
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from Nicholas Taleb in the face of catastrophe, in the face of natural disaster and terrorist
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There is something about the American spirit and the American system, the American way of
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And it's under attack by the left wing in America.
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And some of it, Michael, as you know, is actually, it is facilitated by prosperity.
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And I think that's one reason that president Reagan, uh, said so cogently, you know, that,
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that we cannot take our great democracy for granted.
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Freedom is never one generation away from extinction.
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I mean, we see it happening on college campuses, you know, your alma mater and mine, uh, and
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they are not isolated, uh, alas, you know, have actually instituted measures that actively
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They don't preach the mechanisms in their lifestyles or in their professional lives that have allowed
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Nan, on that note, anyway, we've, I've taken up way too much of your time.
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It was so good to have you here that what a, what an excellent message to leave on, on this
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And, uh, and, but there's so much more I want to talk to you about.
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I want to talk to you about, uh, Trump making deals with Schumer and Pelosi.
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I want to talk to you about all those things, but we don't have time, so we'll just have
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Well, I'll just have to come back and all you have to do is ask.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Nan Hayworth, the first female physician ever elected to Congress.
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With that, we have got to bring on our panel of deplorables.
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Nan could never be on the panel of deplorables because there's nothing deplorable about her
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So right now we're very lucky to have Jacob Airey and Emily Butler.
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So let's talk a little bit more, but let's go right back to the politics.
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We've had all of the uplifting stuff from Congresswoman Nan Hayworth.
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So let's go back into Steve Bannon, perhaps not as uplifting.
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Uh, uh, I want to know, Emily, does Bannon have any clout or is, you know, is he speaking
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for the Trump administration or is he just some jilted ex-employee?
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I don't think that Bannon ever actually speaks for anyone other than Bannon.
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Um, he's speaking to an audience and maybe that audience isn't exactly apparent when you're
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watching him on, you know, CBS or, or 60 Minutes.
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Um, there is always a hierarchy that's at play.
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And with Bannon, especially at this point in his career, he has a new objective to think
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about, you know, he reached his objective to get into the White House, uh, that objective
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has been fulfilled and subsequently tossed aside.
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So he has a new objective that he needs to fulfill.
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He has a new prerogative and a new order that he needs to establish.
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So I would say there's a man trying to regain relevancy is the first step towards rebuilding
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his agenda, much less of an employee going rogue.
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On that note, however, I do think that as Trump's administration winds down or if there's
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a new, um, upper opportunity for Bannon to squeeze in there, he's probably not going
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to hold back on some negative comments from the administration.
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Maybe not on Trump personally, but there will definitely be an opportunity that he will
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Why is he going into the heart of stupidity and lazy leftism with Charlie Rose?
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I mean, I'm not Steve Bannon, but if I was Steve Bannon, I'd be thinking about what the
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He's been, um, sort of dishonored a little bit.
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Sidelined by being kicked out of the administration.
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So you have to think about what, what I need to do to rebuild.
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And the first step to that is getting as wide an audience as possible while it's relevant,
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while people still want to hear from you, uh, both the left and the right.
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Um, you see the same thing with Hillary Clinton all the time, just giving interview upon interview
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You know, uh, Trump Bannon is capitalizing on exactly the same thing.
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He wants to speak out while he's still relevant and while he's going back to Breitbart.
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And then if there's an opportunity to catch any leftist mainstream media in a hypocrisy,
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He can fight back on that with everything in his jaws and, uh, come out looking even
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better as he returns to restore himself as the captain, the leader, the head of Breitbart.
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Charlie Rose is a hack, but he does have a network television platform.
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CBS is usually the first channel people see when you turn on your TV.
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Jacob, in that interview, Bannon says that the original sin of the administration was making
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a deal with the establishment Republicans, that they're playing nice with them.
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How would they govern without establishment Republicans?
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Well, I think it depends on what he means by establishment Republicans, because some people
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are lumping in conservatives who are, I should say, real conservatives in with the establishment
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So I don't know if that is who Bannon is referring to, but I think Trump is a dealmaker, right?
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And so for him to say, oh, it's the original sin to deal with the establishment Republicans,
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I know he's, he's chiming in about making a deal with Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, but if
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he wants to move his fiscal policy forward and everything that has to do with immigration,
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he has to deal with the establishment Republicans because the Democrats aren't going to help him.
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So I don't really think it's fair to call it the original sin of the administration.
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There's the religious ruling from Pastor Jacob Berry.
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We now, former pastor, former Pastor Jacob Berry.
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We now, unlike Paul Bois, who's the future Pope, we now have got to say goodbye to Facebook
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Pope Francis suggested today that pro-lifers must support Obama's executive amnesty, saying,
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The President of the United States presents himself as pro-life, and if he is a good pro-lifer,
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he understands that family is the cradle of life, and its unity must be protected.
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He added, I think this law comes not from Parliament, but from the executive.
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If that is so, I am hopeful that it will be rethought.
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What is a good conservative Catholic to do with left-wing popes?
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Probably the same thing that any good patriot needed to do under President Obama, which is
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just kind of hold your tongue, take the doctrine as it comes, and wait for a new pope.
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Sometimes the Lord sends us bad popes to let us know that the pope is only infallible when
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he's not fallible, and I'm not even saying he's a bad pope, but he does weigh in a lot
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on matters of domestic American politics, which seem not to have very much to do with
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So the number one priority of the Catholic Church is the salvation of souls.
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In that doctrine, it does say that the pope is quote-unquote infallible.
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Well, he's infallible when he speaks, yeah, that's exactly right.
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He's infallible when he speaks ex-cathedra, right, and he's on matters of doctrine.
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This does not have anything to do with personal opinions on climate change.
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It doesn't have personal opinions on immigration.
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Those things that he says are sort of unique to this pope himself.
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We're not necessarily, as Catholics, obligated to heed or obey anything that he says from
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When it comes down to doctrine, he's still very pope-like.
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I mean, you see him come back to, you know, sort of irritating the leftists with reiterating
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his stances, the Catholic stances on abortion, transgenderism.
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These are things that are still Catholic doctrine.
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He said when it was up for a vote in Argentina that this is not a mere political issue, but
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it is, quote, a machination of the father of lies that seeks to deceive and confuse the
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children of God does not sound like a Democrat in that statement.
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And I think I recall a long time ago where he tried to personally sort of make gay marriage
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or gay relationships not a sin and kind of got slapped back down by the church from that
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and then came out and sort of backtracked that statement that he made.
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It's always difficult because we have this lens of the mainstream media.
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So the pope says something, and he might be making some political point.
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And then the Huffington Post blows it up like, you know, the pope doesn't believe in Jesus
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And you say, well, I don't—I didn't see that anywhere in his statement.
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Jacob, whatever happened to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's?
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St. Paul writes, quote, let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is
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no authority except that which God has established.
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The authorities that exist have been established by God.
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Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against God, what God has instituted,
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and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
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And that would seem to be the case for the immigration laws of the United States.
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Is the pope contradicting Catholic teaching by denouncing the enforcement of a perfectly
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I don't think that—I think what Paul is saying that you can have a personal opinion,
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and I honestly think the pope's—the pope's words don't affect our policy.
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So I think it's okay for the pope to have a personal opinion.
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I just want to know where his opinions are on the encroaching socialism and secularization
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of Europe, as opposed to this one law in the United States.
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And often people misquote the render to Caesar what is Caesar's.
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What is—the question that is asked of Christ is, is it a sin to pay taxes to Caesar?
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And so he says, render to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is to God.
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He's not—he was saying, no, it is not a sin to pay your taxes.
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Because there were certain, shall we say, pious groups back then who were teaching that.
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Oh, I think it's a sin to pay your taxes, so I try never to do it.
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You know, the Catholic Church—the Catholic Church is not the only venerable institution
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that is speaking less than infallibly about American politics.
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This has even infected the Miss America pageant 2018.
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But one of the questions that was asked of Miss America was, what do you think about
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Did Donald Trump collude with Russia to win the election, and how so, and when will he
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Jacob, why does the left have to make every good thing boring?
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Now they're going after hot chicks in bikinis.
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I, you know, I just want to see—I don't care what she thinks about the Russia collusion
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conspiracy theory, because that's all it is, a conspiracy theory.
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You know, I know Maxine Waters, she likes to talk about the Kremlin clan, and she likes
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to go all over the place and saying the Internet's trying to kill her.
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This is where the left is getting their information.
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You know, Emily, you bring up a great point, because this is a conspiracy
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Emily, does the left really believe that anyone cares what Miss America thinks about
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Or is this just about coercing every aspect of the culture to recite and toe the line on
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Well, as, like, a member of the United States and as, like, a member of the human race, I think it's
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important that, like, all of humanity have their voices heard.
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So I think that, of course, it's important to hear what we say, especially as an American
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You know, that was more intelligent and coherent than the question that was asked of Miss America.
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I think if I can answer seriously, I think that probably the people who care the most about
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what the American Miss America pageant contestants have to say is the contestants themselves.
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Clearly, you know, when you're talking about all these questions that have been posed to
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them, the political nature of the questions, and you can hear how they want the question
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So when you're a pageant contestant, you're standing up on the stage, all you care about
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So you're going to reiterate back anything that they're going to ask you exactly how you
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think you want, how you think they want the question answered.
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So when you look back at it, it's, there's not really, like, anything that they're saying
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that's real or that, like, they actually care about or they're believing in.
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It's about continuing on this narrative about something they probably haven't even researched.
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The only reason that I wanted to talk about Miss America today was to be able to watch
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And we don't have the clip, so it's absolutely pointless as far as I'm concerned.
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Okay, panel of deplorables, Emily Butler and Jacob Berry, thank you for being here.
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Now, it is the, it's the 16th anniversary, you know, of September 11th.
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And I'll, I think I would like to talk about that in my final thought.
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It's the 16th anniversary of the September 11th terror attacks.
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My sixth grade math teacher broke the news to us in suburban New York.
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My mother saw the towers fall with her own eyes.
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And from Harlem, she made it onto one of the last trains out of the city.
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Some of my classmates' parents didn't make it out of the city.
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After the second plane struck, Father George Rutler ran from Midtown to the Twin Towers to
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offer wartime absolution to the firemen rushing into the buildings.
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The first confirmed death on that day was a Catholic priest named Michael Judge.
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Next to the towers in St. Peter's Church, the first Catholic parish in New York.
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Father Rutler met firemen who carried Father Judge's body and recalled, quote,
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There is a picture of the crucifixion over the altar.
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The image evokes St. Paul's letter to the Ephesians.
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We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against
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the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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Sixteen years ago, President George Bush put it in his own words, and I'll leave you with
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The pictures of airplanes flying into buildings, fires burning, huge structures collapsing,
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have filled us with disbelief, terrible sadness, and a quiet, unyielding anger.
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And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon.