The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 242 - The Case For The Death Penalty

00:00:00.000 An anti-Semitic bigot murdered 11 and injured six Jews worshiping at a Pittsburgh synagogue on

00:00:07.060 Saturday. The media are blaming Donald Trump. The shooter hates Donald Trump and Donald Trump

00:00:11.960 wants to kill the shooter. We will analyze the case for the death penalty. Then Barack Obama

00:00:17.960 reminds us why we forgot about him. Hillary Clinton gets ready for 2020 and the Simpsons

00:00:23.120 kill Apu. If I hadn't stopped watching the Simpsons 20 years ago, I would totally stop

00:00:27.960 watching them now. I'm Michael Knowles and this is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:00:38.280 So much to get to today. A lot of horrible news. Maybe some silver lining if you can think about

00:00:44.140 some of the justice that maybe we'll be able to get out of this. But really, really tough

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00:02:24.740 into this news cycle. There was this horrific shooting over the weekend. This was the largest

00:02:30.360 scale attack on Jews in American history, apparently. There were 11 people killed, six

00:02:37.120 people wounded. It was at the synagogue in Pittsburgh, and the guy, he's not a lunatic.

00:02:43.480 I mean, he's got to be a little bit loony to do anything like this, but this guy is an out-and-out

00:02:48.360 anti-Semitic bigot. He's written about this. He's posted all over social media about this.

00:02:53.400 Right now, the website Gab, G-A-B, which is the non-censoring Twitter, is under fire because they

00:03:00.460 don't censor people. So this guy was on it, and that's what happens. When you don't censor people,

00:03:04.140 bad guys, you know, say their point of view, that doesn't mean that when you don't censor people,

00:03:11.340 people, you know, will go out and commit crimes. It also doesn't mean that when you censor people,

00:03:15.880 people won't commit crimes. Obviously, the two are not related. The speech and the act are

00:03:19.860 categorically different, but Gab is under fire for this. I mean, this guy had a plan. This guy had a

00:03:25.500 perverse ideology. He went out, and he did it. So what are the media doing? They're immediately

00:03:30.500 blaming Donald Trump. They've been blaming Trump and Republicans now for a couple weeks because

00:03:35.020 there was that wacko down in Florida who was mailing the pipe bombs, and so now they're blaming 0.65

00:03:39.060 Trump for this guy too. It is worth pointing out, this guy apparently despised Donald Trump. He didn't

00:03:45.600 vote for Donald Trump. He posted on social media. He said, I've never voted for Donald Trump. I've

00:03:49.900 never owned a MAGA hat. I have never touched a MAGA hat. I don't like him because Trump likes Jews 0.84

00:03:56.660 too much, apparently. And this is another aspect of the story that's been lost by the media,

00:04:01.820 which is that this administration is the most pro-Jewish administration probably in American

00:04:06.000 history. Apparently, that was part of this guy's gripe with him, is that, you know, Donald Trump,

00:04:10.920 first of all, Donald Trump's daughter converted to Judaism. Donald Trump's son-in-law is Jewish.

00:04:15.680 He put his son-in-law and daughter-in-law in charge, apparently, of Middle Eastern policy or of

00:04:21.040 trying to resolve the Israel-Palestine conflict. He obviously followed through on a longstanding

00:04:27.360 promise of American presidents that no one had ever followed through on. Donald Trump moved the

00:04:32.540 U.S. embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, which is the capital of Israel. They built a train station for the

00:04:38.040 guy in Jerusalem. There's a Donald Trump train station. So I think the media turning this and

00:04:42.660 trying to say that somehow the Republican Party or conservatives or Donald Trump are anti-Semitic,

00:04:47.460 that is insane. However, the reason that they can get away with it is that this shooter was

00:04:53.680 anti-immigrant. So they're saying he's anti-immigrant and conservatives want to limit

00:04:59.340 some immigrants. Some conservatives want to limit immigration. All Americans, virtually all Americans,

00:05:05.060 want to stop illegal immigration because it's obviously against our laws and a violation of the 1.00

00:05:10.120 country. So see, he's anti-immigrant. They don't want illegal immigration. See, they're the same. 0.90

00:05:15.160 It's really cynical and it's really gross, but that's how they get away with it because there

00:05:19.180 is that aspect to this guy's ideology such as it was. His ideology really is just bigotry and racial

00:05:26.160 hatred. But President Trump, I thought, responded pretty well to this and he's getting a lot of

00:05:31.260 pushback, even though I thought the response was exactly great, which is that we need to zap this

00:05:36.900 guy. This guy needs to be executed by the state as a carriage of justice through capital punishment.

00:05:44.020 Here's Donald Trump. I think one thing we should do is we should stiffen up our laws in terms of

00:05:49.160 the death penalty. When people do this, they should get the death penalty and they shouldn't have to

00:05:54.060 wait years and years. Now the lawyers will get involved. Anybody that does a thing like this to

00:05:59.000 innocent people that are in temple or in church, we had so many incidents with churches, they should

00:06:06.160 really suffer the ultimate price. They should pay the ultimate price. I felt that way for a long time.

00:06:11.500 Absolutely right. This is absolutely right. And it's shocking to me that people on the left and

00:06:17.920 the right are disagreeing with it. The case for the death penalty has never been stronger.

00:06:24.440 And yet I hear, I even hear conservatives say, I oppose the death penalty. I was on a panel at

00:06:28.420 Politicon. Charlie Kirk was sitting next to me. I like Charlie a lot, but he says, I oppose the death

00:06:33.900 penalty because I'm pro-life. And I just don't think this argument is very strong. The case for the

00:06:38.860 death penalty has never been stronger, especially now that we have technological advances that can

00:06:44.720 exonerate people who have been wrongly accused, especially that we have technological advantage

00:06:48.640 that can put perpetrators and convicts, we can place them at the scene of the crime. We can know

00:06:54.560 that they were there with relative certainty. The case has never been stronger. But our culture right

00:06:59.340 now is so confused. And we don't have a vocabulary to talk about moral issues. So we say, you know,

00:07:05.380 pro-life, that's the slogan. But of course, this is not a precise way of talking about things. It's

00:07:10.360 the same with torture. You know, I think people hear death penalty. And because we have a feelings

00:07:15.180 first culture, they say, oh, death is bad. So I'm against death. So now no death, death is bad

00:07:20.260 because it doesn't sound, doesn't feel good. The same with tortures. I'm against torture as though

00:07:24.980 this is some morally clear position to hold, but that isn't the case. You know, just, just to use the

00:07:30.360 example of torture. The reason that we don't torture enemy soldiers is, well, it's because

00:07:37.180 we've all agreed to something called the Geneva Conventions. But the purpose of that, the reason

00:07:41.140 that we don't torture enemy soldiers is to protect civilians in times of war. That's why we don't

00:07:48.260 torture enemy soldiers, is we say, look, if you won't attack civilians, if you won't target civilians

00:07:53.020 in times of war, we will give you certain protections, certain pleasantries. You know, you won't be

00:07:59.100 tortured, you won't be detained in this way, you'll have this aspect of justice. Okay, fine. So some

00:08:06.380 people want to extend that and say that we shouldn't torture terrorists. But that, of course, undermines

00:08:11.440 the entire case for the Geneva Conventions. That undermines the entire case for not torturing soldiers

00:08:17.060 because terrorists, by definition, target civilians to advance their political agenda. So if we start

00:08:23.620 extending Geneva Convention protections to terrorists, we undermine the whole purpose of the Geneva

00:08:28.920 Convention. We undermine the whole purpose of saying, if you don't target civilians, we won't do certain

00:08:34.320 things to you. We'll give you certain pleasantries. If we start offering that to everybody, then there is

00:08:39.240 no incentive and more civilians are going to die and more civilians are going to get hurt. It's the same

00:08:43.680 thing with the death penalty. Because right now, we always focus, when we talk about criminal justice,

00:08:49.620 criminal justice reform, we talk about rehabilitating criminals. So that's the purpose, you know,

00:08:54.600 they go to jail, they go to prison to be rehabilitated. And that's true. There is a rehabilitative

00:09:00.000 purpose of punishment and of the justice system. But that's not the only purpose. That's not the only

00:09:05.880 aspect of justice. There are at least two others and probably three. There's retribution. There's

00:09:12.680 retributive justice, punishing people because they did the crime. There's rehabilitation. There's deterrence.

00:09:19.060 You can try to deter further crimes. And then there's defending society from the criminals who

00:09:25.280 have committed these acts. Adam Smith, great economist and great moral philosopher, said,

00:09:30.260 mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent when we're talking about states and criminal justice

00:09:35.860 systems. So you'll hear, I was at a school the other night at Augustana University in South Dakota,

00:09:42.260 and someone said, shouldn't you oppose the death penalty? It's more expensive to pursue the death

00:09:49.380 penalty than to pursue life in prison. I said, okay, who cares? Who cares? So it's, I mean, and he's

00:09:56.680 right, by the way, between 1989 and 1997, the cost of pursuing the death penalty against somebody was

00:10:02.460 about a quarter of a million dollars. From the beginning of the trial to zapping him, it was about

00:10:07.520 a quarter of a million dollars. Between 1998 and 2004, that number jumped to about $620,000, $621,000

00:10:14.600 as the median. So that is a huge increase. It's more than doubled. Okay, fine. Drop in the bucket.

00:10:19.960 Doesn't really matter. Also, we don't execute that many people, which is part of the problem of this

00:10:24.100 debate. So far this year, I think that in various states, we've executed 18 people. Seven more are set

00:10:31.940 to be executed this year. It looks likely that only six more will be executed. So you're looking at 24

00:10:36.440 or two per month. The majority of death sentences are not carried out in the United States.

00:10:43.040 Since 1973, 16% of people who have been sentenced to death have actually been executed. So 84% have

00:10:50.340 not been executed. And of the people who remain on death row, they've not been pardoned. They've not

00:10:54.980 been, had their convictions overturned. They've not had this or that or the other thing. A full 75%

00:11:01.560 of them have not been executed. Only 25% who remain on death row have been executed.

00:11:08.420 So there is an aspect of this which might be cruel and unusual punishment, but it's not the death

00:11:13.820 penalty. That's another argument that people try to make. They say it's cruel and unusual. Absolutely

00:11:18.440 not. It's been carried out by every government for all of human history everywhere. At the time of the

00:11:23.420 ratification of the Constitution, when we were talking about cruel and unusual punishment,

00:11:27.220 everywhere had the death penalty. It was virtually the definition of a felony. Now, life in prison

00:11:33.300 might be cruel and unusual. It might be cruel and unusual to sentence someone to death and then have

00:11:37.920 them waiting for 30 years, languishing. They've already made peace with dying, but there's a little

00:11:43.400 glimpse of hope or this. I mean, that might be maddening. That might be cruel and unusual. I can

00:11:47.720 totally understand getting rid of that. But we shouldn't speak in a confused way about the death

00:11:54.540 penalty. There are many good purposes for it. So we know it does deter crime, by the way. There have

00:11:59.040 been studies about this since 1968, general deterrence theory, but then studies in the 1970s,

00:12:04.560 even recent studies that show that the death penalty deters crime. And in places where it's

00:12:10.400 shown not to deter crime very much, one likely cause of that is that the death penalty isn't actually

00:12:16.100 carried out, so its deterrent effect isn't very strong. But we know in places where the death penalty

00:12:20.920 is carried out quickly, where it's carried out swiftly, that the deterrent effect is significantly

00:12:25.420 stronger. So it does have that as a defense of society. Obviously, by definition, it defends

00:12:31.580 society because you're taking the criminal and you're setting up a meeting with his maker. Only God

00:12:37.360 can judge, but we can arrange the meeting. And then finally, there is retribution. When the terrorists

00:12:43.700 killed 3,000 Americans on September 11, 2001, President Bush sat in the Oval Office. He spoke to the

00:12:49.600 American people, and he said, these attacks fill us with horror, with great sadness, and with a quiet,

00:12:56.940 unyielding anger. That unyielding anger might be expressed in a couple ways. It might be expressed

00:13:02.540 because we just want a little revenge. Fine, but that's not what retribution, retributive punishment

00:13:08.700 does. We also are angered because of the injustice of that. And what retribution and retributive

00:13:15.680 punishment does is not gets revenge, but it corrects the error, the miscarriage of justice.

00:13:24.020 It goes some way toward restoring a balance of justice. More on this in a second, but first,

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00:14:53.060 the death penalty. Don't let anybody tell you that it's wrong or that it's immoral. You know,

00:14:58.240 to look at those people who were slain in Pittsburgh worshiping because a bigot, because

00:15:06.920 a wicked evil bigot came in there and slaughtered them in cold blood in the house of God while

00:15:13.740 they were praying. One feels a quiet, unyielding anger, and one feels a need to in any way restore

00:15:22.080 a balance of justice. We also want to protect society. We also want to deter further acts.

00:15:30.120 And I hope that this guy can get rehabilitated while he's waiting to hang because it will

00:15:35.020 be very good for his soul. I don't care that much. I'm much more interested in the other

00:15:39.240 aspects of justice on this, but he should hang and it should be swift. And if we're going to

00:15:43.780 have criminal justice reform, the first thing we should reform is reinstituting that justice

00:15:48.740 because our current death penalty regime is not particularly just. Obviously, the media

00:15:54.460 are blaming Donald Trump. This has been going on for a long time. Those pipe bombs sent by

00:15:59.980 the worst bomber ever, this Looney Tune ex-stripper from Florida, the media were referring to those 0.70

00:16:06.280 bombs as Trump targets bombs. So they say, oh yes, bombs were sent to Trump targets as though,

00:16:12.320 you know, Donald Trump was there mailing the packages themselves. You know, this creates a big

00:16:21.060 issue. I mean, look, they're even doing it with this guy who shot all those people in the synagogue

00:16:25.860 and they're saying, they're trying to connect him in some way to Trump, even though he hated Trump

00:16:30.040 and Trump hates him and wants to kill him. We should not do this in our political rhetoric. It's a really

00:16:35.860 bad idea. And I'll point out that Donald Trump is pretty reckless sometimes in the way he speaks.

00:16:41.260 He actually hasn't really been reckless on this. And he explains it when the left has committed

00:16:46.200 lunatic, fringy acts of violence. The right has not really exploited it. Here he is explaining the

00:16:52.860 difference. Yet when a Bernie Sanders supporter tried to murder congressional Republicans and severely

00:17:01.460 wounded a great man named Steve Scalise and others, we did not use that heinous attempt at mass murder

00:17:10.340 for political gain because that would have been wrong. It would have been the wrong thing to do.

00:17:20.620 That's right. That would have been the wrong thing to do. It's the right thing to do to remind them that

00:17:24.500 you did the right thing because you won't get credit for doing the right thing unless you tell them

00:17:27.860 that you did the right thing, which is a little boastful and might seem like the wrong thing, but

00:17:31.720 it is the right thing, I assure you. But this is absolutely right. You don't want to take these

00:17:37.040 fringy, lunatic examples and try to pretend that they're representative of the whole group. That is

00:17:42.840 what the left does. And so, you know, we've been talking about left-wing violence all over this

00:17:47.860 country, but we're not talking about the congressional baseball game guy. We're talking about the mobs of

00:17:52.620 people who have gone out into the street, threatened conservatives, harassed them, assaulted them,

00:17:56.980 gone to their homes where their children sleep. And further, we weren't even really talking about

00:18:01.760 that too much. We didn't talk about Antifa a whole lot until the elected Democrat leaders

00:18:08.520 encouraged all of it. And not just one of them, not even just Maxine Waters, but Waters, Holder,

00:18:14.420 Booker, Hillary Clinton, all of them. They're trying to take, they're trying to equate one radical fringe

00:18:23.040 guy who did an evil thing and not talk about it as evil per se, which it is, but try to paint

00:18:30.080 conservatives or right-wingers or Republicans that way. Whereas on the left, it is the mainstream that

00:18:39.960 they have to answer for. This is also one of the truly awful aspects of identity politics, which is

00:18:46.760 that in the United States after the, I don't know, 1960s, 1970s, there really wasn't a much of a white

00:18:53.500 racial consciousness in American politics. It had really been wiped away. The U.S. had gone a long

00:19:00.140 way over the course of about a hundred years, 1860 to 1970s, to wipe away the sins of slavery and the 0.96

00:19:08.680 de jure inequalities and discriminations that were wrought by those systems. And there wasn't

00:19:14.660 really a white racial consciousness. And there were some fringe writers who actually called for

00:19:20.100 one. They said, we need a white racial consciousness. And people said, no, absolutely not. We reject

00:19:24.880 identity politics. But then the left has forced a white racial identity, which is unfortunate, 0.73

00:19:33.440 because by embracing identity politics as their means of assent, as their means of consolidating

00:19:40.340 political power on the left, they have forced a white racial identity. It only makes sense if 0.81

00:19:47.240 you're going to try to say that we have a, what is it, a coalition of the ascendant. You've got all

00:19:52.740 of these people and you're explicitly appealing to their skin color or to their ethnic heritage or

00:19:56.940 whatever. And you're uniting them by saying that there's a common enemy in what now we jokingly

00:20:01.820 refer to as the straight white male, the straight white cisgender male, the straight white, which is

00:20:06.940 an absurd term that I try not to use, the straight white male who thinks that he's a male or whatever.

00:20:11.080 If that is the personification of evil, then you're going to create an identity around those groups.

00:20:18.420 You've done it. The left has done it. We didn't do it. We didn't paint this guy as the worst guy on

00:20:24.260 earth or that color or this woman or this gender or whatever. We didn't paint that as the personification

00:20:29.880 of evil. But the left, in order to assemble their identity politics coalition, had to do that. And

00:20:35.380 as a result, you see a white racial consciousness or a male, male sexual consciousness. I don't know. 0.52

00:20:43.020 It's pretty stupid. It isn't good when the left does it. It isn't good when the right does it.

00:20:47.540 But the left is going to make it inevitable. The left is going to force this to be inevitable.

00:20:52.000 And that is really ugly. And the blame lies there. So if we're going to stop identity politics,

00:20:59.240 which I strongly encourage, everybody's got to do it. Otherwise, it's simply going to grow. It is

00:21:06.700 only going to fester. It's only going to get worse. And it is a zero-sum game. It is truly gutter

00:21:12.320 politics. And they're going to keep it up. I mean, you know, talk about the Bernie bro guy. We're not

00:21:18.720 talking about Bernie bro as the main, the one who shot up the congressional baseball game. We're not

00:21:24.280 talking about that as the mainstream of the Democratic Party. But the New York Times is.

00:21:29.920 And the New York Times, just last week, published assassination porn, published this novelist,

00:21:35.580 alleged novelist, I've never read any of her works, obviously, Zoe Sharp, who wrote a whole piece 0.99

00:21:41.220 fantasizing about the Secret Service assassinating Donald Trump. That wasn't published on Gab. That

00:21:48.340 wasn't published on some fringe social media wacky board. That was published in the New York Times.

00:21:53.660 And that is a huge distinction. There isn't a moral equivalence here. And you've got to be able to do

00:21:58.580 it. It requires moral clarity. I know that it is insane to suggest that Donald Trump, playboy for 30

00:22:05.200 years, you know, tabloid legend, somehow has some moral clarity here. But he does. When you see an act of

00:22:11.060 evil, like the shooting of that synagogue, you've got to kill that guy by the arm of the state because of

00:22:17.040 justice. Justice demands it. Many kinds of justice demand that. When you see these heinous

00:22:24.240 identity politics and ideologies that come from that, you've got to call it out for what it is.

00:22:29.820 And you've got to reject it. You've got to reject it full-throatedly, wholeheartedly. Not just for

00:22:34.960 one guy, not just for one group, but for everybody. You know, and speaking of the fringes versus the

00:22:40.660 mainstream, Barack Obama, he's out on the campaign trail again. And he is perfectly identifying this

00:22:48.180 distinction because he is out there calling Donald Trump a shameless liar. Here he is.

00:22:54.240 You know, when I'm talking to Michelle, sometimes I'm all like, oh, honey, man, do you see I did all

00:22:58.380 the dishes? You know, and she's all like, yeah, but that's like the first time you've done that in a

00:23:04.120 week. What did you do wrong? And I said, well, we all do that to some degree. Right? I mean,

00:23:11.720 it's human nature. But what we have not seen before, in our recent public life at least,

00:23:19.360 is politicians just blatantly, repeatedly, baldly, shamelessly, lying, making stuff up,

00:23:36.560 calling up them.

00:23:41.000 Calling doctors that you can't keep doctors that you can keep. Calling terrorist attacks in our

00:23:48.200 consulate in Benghazi, a spontaneous response to a Utah. Oh, wait a minute. No, we have seen all of 0.80

00:23:53.360 that from you, from you, you shameless, cynical, leftist, hack, Chicago machine, oily. Every time he

00:24:02.200 opens his mouth, Donald Trump gets 10,000 votes. That's how it works. I can't wait. I hope the NRCC,

00:24:07.280 the NRSC, the RNC, all the GOP, all of the conservative institutions are paying Barack Obama's

00:24:14.280 speaker fees because every time he opens his mouth, we get a lot closer to winning in the midterms

00:24:18.020 and in the 2020 election. By the way, I'd just like to make a point. People always talk about

00:24:22.780 how Barack Obama, oh, what a rhetorician. Oh, he's the greatest orator since Pericles. Oh,

00:24:28.580 what wonderful soaring speeches from Barack Obama compared to Donald Trump, who can't even spell

00:24:34.360 on Twitter. First of all, I was never horribly impressed by, well, I wasn't, maybe I was horribly

00:24:39.100 impressed, but I was never, I never terribly much admired President Trump's speeches with one or

00:24:44.860 two exceptions. But listen to how he opened that. You know, the guy who apparently possesses this

00:24:49.800 tremendously advanced and superior command of the English language, he opens up, he says,

00:24:54.240 you know, and sometimes I'm all like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then Michelle, she's all like,

00:24:58.780 blah, blah, blah, like speaking like a little millennial girl. And I'm like, and then she was 1.00

00:25:03.120 like, and then he was like this. And then I feel, I just totally feel like, la, la, la, la, la.

00:25:06.680 But obviously the essence of this is absurd because when you compare Barack Obama's lies

00:25:12.920 to Donald Trump's lies, there is no comparison. They are utterly different. He's saying that

00:25:17.740 Donald Trump shamelessly lies, shamelessly. He has, he has exaggerated the truth. I'm willing

00:25:24.040 to say that. He's said a couple of things that quite literally are not true. You know,

00:25:29.020 what does he do? He exaggerates a crowd size every now and again. He exaggerates this. I mean,

00:25:33.640 he's been doing it his whole career. It's huge. It's going to be the biggest, the greatest. Okay.

00:25:37.280 That's, that is what Donald Trump does. His lies are exaggerating how many people came to his rally.

00:25:42.280 By the way, tens of thousands, a hundred thousand people come to his rallies and he exaggerates it

00:25:46.800 by 10,000 and they call it a lie. What are Barack Obama's lies like? They're like, hey,

00:25:53.480 you can't keep your doctor. Like, like, like, you know, and I'm like, and he's like. Those are,

00:25:58.280 those are what those lies are like. He says that you can keep your doctor. Then he upends a sixth of the

00:26:02.820 U.S. economy and you can't keep your doctor. He says that an attack on our consulate was caused by

00:26:08.320 some poor guy who made a YouTube video, weird little YouTube video that nobody saw. In reality,

00:26:14.240 it was Islamic terrorists in a pre-planned, premeditated attack on September 11th, September

00:26:20.600 11th, 2011 or 2012, 2012. Those are totally different. Give me the guy who lies about the

00:26:28.360 crowd size any day of the week. Another, another great lie that Barack Obama told is he said in

00:26:33.980 an interview, he said that Donald Trump will never be president. You'll never be president Donald.

00:26:37.840 That was the best lie he ever told. I'm actually quite a fan of, uh, of that lie. Cause he got

00:26:42.400 that one wrong. If I, you know, okay, I guess if, if we had to have a liar as president, I'm glad he

00:26:46.860 was wrong about that. But broadly speaking, a lot of this comes because the left has not let reality

00:26:53.260 dawn on them. They're still running around in these fantasies. Barack Obama is still going out

00:26:58.740 there pretending that he is a rock star, pretending that it's 2006, 2007, you know, before he even

00:27:05.080 ever ran, that he's the rock star. Compare the crowd sizes that Obama gets to the people that

00:27:10.200 Donald Trump gets. How many orders of magnitude smaller is the Obama crowd than the Donald Trump

00:27:16.080 crowd? They're still running around in these fantasies, like people haven't caught on.

00:27:20.140 And the perfect example of this, the, the, you know, in a tough news cycle, really something

00:27:26.040 that could give us all hope that can give us all little, little smile, all little joy is former

00:27:31.120 future president, Hillary Clinton planning out 2020. Here she is. Well, I, well, I'd like to be

00:27:36.840 president. Okay. No, look, I, I think hopefully when we have a Democrat in the Oval Office in January

00:27:48.900 of 2021, there's going to be so much work to be done. I mean, we have confused everybody in the

00:27:54.380 world, including ourselves, and we have confused our friends and our enemies. They have no idea what

00:28:00.600 the United States stands for, what we're likely to do, what we think is important. So the work would

00:28:06.420 be work that I feel very well prepared for having been in the Senate for eight years, having been a

00:28:12.020 diplomat in the state department, and it's just going to be a lot of heavy lifting.

00:28:16.220 So are you going to be doing any of that lifting? Do you feel like...

00:28:18.980 Oh, I have no idea, Kara, but I'm, I'm going to, you know, I'm not going to even think about it

00:28:23.180 till we get through this, uh, November 6th election about what's going to happen after that.

00:28:28.480 Well, I'm not going to think about it. Oh, well, we are, Hillary. Don't worry. We're going to think

00:28:31.740 about it right now. And we go to the ballot box on November 6th. I love how she opens it. She says,

00:28:36.260 well, you know, I would like to be president. You don't say. Are you Hillary Clinton,

00:28:41.280 the girl who has been in politics since she was 12, the girl who basically launched her campaign

00:28:49.540 to run for president when she graduated from Wellesley, the woman who's run now for president 1.00

00:28:55.240 on two separate occasions and really ran as her husband's co-president. So another two occasions,

00:29:01.280 you want to be president, Hillary? I'm shocked to hear that. The really telling aspect of this

00:29:05.480 is when she says, we've confused everybody. We've confused our friends. We've confused our allies.

00:29:11.580 We've confused our enemies. Yes, you have. Yes, you did that. I think that was a Freudian slip

00:29:17.720 where you say one thing, but me and your mother. I think she certainly has confused a lot of people,

00:29:22.440 but it's the left that has confused them. Just use that line. We've confused our allies and our

00:29:26.040 friends. The, the Obama administration, while Hillary Clinton was secretary of state, confused our enemy

00:29:31.840 in Iran as a friend, confused him as a friend. So they, they sent pallets of cash. They, they allowed

00:29:39.560 Iran to humiliate our sailors. They gave them the keys to a future nuclear weapon. That's not good.

00:29:45.500 All the, all the while abandoning our ally in Israel, all the while funding a campaign opponents,

00:29:51.320 uh, funding, sending operatives over to try to unseat the prime minister of Israel. An awful relationship

00:29:56.820 with them. Uh, how confusing is it when the Democrats have been running for the last two years

00:30:01.320 about Donald Trump's collusion with the Russians? And yet during the entirety of the Obama administration,

00:30:06.060 the U S went soft on the Russians. The U S joked that Barack Obama made fun of Mitt Romney for

00:30:11.520 saying that Russia was an adversary. He said, well, Matt, the cold war, the 1980s called,

00:30:16.340 they want their foreign policy back. Ha ha ha ha. I'm Barack Obama. Ha ha. The, you know,

00:30:21.360 how about when Hillary Clinton signed off to sell uranium to Russian interests? How about that? And now,

00:30:26.860 now we're, now I'm quite confused. You're absolutely right. Now we're supposed to believe that

00:30:30.940 Saudi Arabia is the worst government on planet earth. Uh, and yet during the, uh, the Obama

00:30:37.340 administration, Saudi Arabia was donating millions and millions of dollars to the Clinton foundation.

00:30:42.100 I'm very confused. You are also very confused, Hillary. And, uh, fortunately we've got a little

00:30:47.440 bit of clarity coming out now and we're treating our friends as our friends and our enemies as our

00:30:52.940 enemies. This is really important. And that what a distinction, what a perfect way to, uh, explain the

00:30:59.280 difference between now and then between the, the Trump administration and the Obama administration,

00:31:04.420 or before that, the Clinton administration. Uh, there, the campaigns are, are zeroing in on this.

00:31:10.080 The Trump campaign has a great ad out and we will examine why it is just right out of the Ronald

00:31:15.420 Reagan playbook, why we're living in the eighties again. Um, but we can't do that until we go to

00:31:21.940 dailywire.com. We've got to check in on the caravan too. Got to talk about the student bill of rights.

00:31:25.820 So much more to get to, uh, go to dailywire.com. The main reason you've got to go to dailywire.com

00:31:32.240 right now is that my speech is coming up tonight. What time are we going? I think we're going up

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00:33:42.800 So the Trump campaign for 2020, which is now in gear, I know it seems like we only focus on the

00:33:49.060 White House, but there is a Trump presidential campaign as well. They have just released an ad

00:33:53.280 that is unoriginal. It is entirely unoriginal and it's excellent. It is exactly what they need

00:34:00.280 to release right now. It also tells us a lot about their political strategy. Um, let's check it out.

00:34:05.900 Another month of strong numbers, 223,000 net new jobs created in the month of May.

00:34:12.240 When I look at the way things are, it reminds me how far we've come.

00:34:17.380 These numbers, they are depressingly weak.

00:34:20.200 The punch in the gut. The economy is growing even more slowly than we thought.

00:34:25.720 But things are starting to change.

00:34:30.580 There's more opportunity and security to invest in the ones that matter.

00:34:37.840 It only goes up from there. It only ends with violins playing and it's obviously showing how much

00:34:44.400 better things are now. Does that look familiar? Does that look familiar to you? For the, probably not

00:34:50.180 to you because I think the median age of my audience is like two and a half years old,

00:34:53.980 but for people, for the other part of the audience, it's a little older. You probably remember that

00:34:59.500 from the 1984 Ronald Reagan campaign. Here's Ronald Reagan's version.

00:35:03.240 It's morning again in America. Today, more men and women will go to work than ever before in our

00:35:12.160 country's history. With interest rates at about half the record highs of 1980, nearly 2,000 families

00:35:19.340 today will buy new homes. More than at any time in the past four years. This afternoon, 6,500 young men

00:35:29.300 and women will be married. 1.00

00:35:32.100 And it goes on and on from there. But you even hear the same uplifting orchestral music just looking

00:35:38.460 at the economy, just looking at how things have improved. It's morning in America. And Donald Trump

00:35:44.000 is just releasing his big ad thus far, right before the midterms. It's morning in America. And that's

00:35:50.040 the argument. And this is the argument, by the way, that President Trump has been talking about since

00:35:55.020 2015. I think people say he's reckless, that he's unpredictable. You can never predict him.

00:36:00.440 It actually turns out he's pretty predictable. And the reason we know this is the guy looked back

00:36:07.100 at the most successful Republican presidential administration and campaign in modern history,

00:36:12.480 Ronald Reagan's, and he has copied it almost one for one. The Make America Great Against slogan

00:36:18.380 came from Ronald Reagan. He puts a little Trumpian twist on it, of course. The Reagan one was,

00:36:23.060 let's make America great again. Well, and sure. Oh, there's the let's. Trump drops the let's. He

00:36:28.760 makes it an imperative. He says, do it. Make America great again. Okay, that's fine. Same exact

00:36:33.160 idea, same themes. And now we've got morning in America because just like the Reagan administration,

00:36:39.180 things have improved dramatically. Now, there's a difference here. The Trump one, you might call it

00:36:44.580 higher energy. In part, this is because our media have just gotten much more frenzied. So,

00:36:51.260 you know, the quality of the video, the pacing of the video, people don't have attention spans

00:36:56.840 anymore. People want to constantly be amped up. Okay, that's part of it. It's also because our

00:37:01.420 culture now is a little more individualistic. So you don't, you know, I think you heard about

00:37:05.660 halfway through the morning in America, Reagan ad, people say more men and women are going to get

00:37:10.300 married today than ever before. And now we don't talk about that because marriage is a bad thing 1.00

00:37:15.220 in our popular culture. I mean, it's not really, it's actually a wonderful thing. I'd be living in the

00:37:19.820 gutter without it. But now the culture is too individualistic. So you saw in that Trump version

00:37:25.760 of it, it was a woman. She was a woman just doing it. She was the center. She was the protagonist.

00:37:31.040 And then her daughter became the protagonist of the ad at the end. One, it's because President

00:37:35.200 Trump wants to appeal to women. He wants to appeal in particular to young people. In part,

00:37:40.280 this is a little bit of identity politics. It has become unfashionable to put old white men 0.70

00:37:46.060 in things. This is, you know, as we discussed before, old white men are the great enemy of 0.99

00:37:51.420 the popular culture. So it focuses on that. But it's the same message. It is applying that message

00:37:58.180 to the present day. And you got to remember that 1980 campaign from Reagan was a huge campaign

00:38:03.900 and it was a huge victory. And then what happened in 84? He won every single state with the possible

00:38:09.540 exception of Minnesota. I spoke to a chief strategist on that campaign and he insists

00:38:16.420 that they won Minnesota too, but they didn't want to look like sore losers. But they more or less

00:38:20.860 swept the country. And I think President Trump is just counting on that. You know, he's ironically

00:38:29.040 a pretty rational guy and the campaign is at least being run pretty rationally. And I mean that in

00:38:34.980 in so much as when Donald Trump looks at what issues to focus on, he just sort of sees what

00:38:42.080 issues people care most about. In a way that other conservatives, other Republicans didn't

00:38:47.740 figure it out. He realizes people hate illegal immigration. Why wasn't every Republican running

00:38:53.440 on an extreme position on that? I don't know. I couldn't tell you why. They felt that you couldn't

00:38:58.280 get away with it maybe, that the culture was against them. The media would, they were afraid of the

00:39:02.240 media. I don't know. President Trump isn't. And I suspect this will be successful unless, of course,

00:39:09.160 the economy tanks and then, you know, all is lost. But it really does show those parallels. And it's

00:39:14.520 really great because I missed the 1980s. So I'm glad that I can live through it again. All right,

00:39:19.280 let's check back in on our caravan, this crazy caravan marching toward the U.S.-Mexico border. Do we have

00:39:26.660 an image of it?

00:39:37.420 Down the caravan is on its way.

00:39:42.800 I can hear all those Hondurans, traffic people across the border. 0.78

00:39:48.860 Do-ba-doop, boo-ba-doop, boo-boo. I can't, I always, whenever we hear caravan, I just think of that

00:39:53.980 Van Morrison song. The good news is it has been reduced in size. So it was up to 14,000, 15,000.

00:40:00.180 I think now estimates are that it's around 7,000 people, highly orchestrated, a total stunt by the

00:40:06.660 left. I mean, you'd have to be insane to think this were a spontaneous uprising. You probably also

00:40:11.860 believe that the attack on Benghazi was a spontaneous response to a YouTube video. We've got the president

00:40:16.440 of Honduras, Juan Orlando Hernandez, admitting that this is an orchestrated leftist stunt, that it's not

00:40:22.640 spontaneous. Judicial Watch has already gone in and talked to some of these people. They've done an

00:40:28.860 investigation. And it appears, you know, the way the left wants to present this is it's mothers and

00:40:34.220 babes just trying to come over to freedom, to get asylum, to whatever. But there are a lot of bad

00:40:39.760 hombres in here. Guatemalan authorities have already recovered seven unaccompanied minors who were just

00:40:46.180 being ferreted across by human smugglers, by human traffickers, bad hombres, could really screw up

00:40:53.420 poor little kids' lives. And this is what is being encouraged by the left. This is what the left is

00:40:58.120 applauding. You know, the way that conservatives need to respond to this, I hope President Trump

00:41:03.640 responds in this way, is to speak about this in heart-tuggingly moral terms. It's good, apparently,

00:41:11.000 General Mattis, or Secretary Mattis, has approved plans to send troops to the border, a lot of troops

00:41:17.840 to the border. But we need to speak about this in really moral terms. Guatemalan authorities recover

00:41:22.280 seven unaccompanied minors who are being brought across by human smugglers, human traffickers, scum

00:41:28.840 of the earth, where bad things can happen. You know, there was a study by Fusion, it was reported in the

00:41:35.200 Huffington Post, that 60 to 80 percent of women, Amnesty International puts the number at 60 percent, 0.78

00:41:40.800 I think Fusion puts it at 80 percent. 60 to 80 percent of women and girls who are brought

00:41:46.120 across that border illegally are raped or sexually assaulted. That's what the left is encouraging.

00:41:50.400 When the left is encouraging illegal immigration, when the left encourages amnesty, when the left

00:41:55.540 encourages not enforcing the law, what they are encouraging is for 60 to 80 percent of women 0.99

00:42:01.120 and girls brought across the border to be raped and sexually assaulted. It's as simple as that.

00:42:05.200 I know that sounds harsh. I know that they don't intend for that. Nobody wants women and girls 1.00

00:42:10.460 to be raped. But when you support the policy, you're supporting the consequence of the policy.

00:42:15.260 And the policy is indefensible. Once again, somehow, magically, miraculously, the Trump administration

00:42:23.820 has great moral clarity on this issue. We've got to speak of it this way all around, you know,

00:42:31.500 because people are seeing things in such a narrow, shallow way on the death penalty,

00:42:36.620 on illegal immigration, even on the culture. Just before we go, some really sad news. The

00:42:41.100 Simpsons is killing off Apu. Here to react, we have Apu.

00:42:45.420 We need you Apu. You might not need the Quickie Mart, but we need you. No, we don't really,

00:43:03.820 because people don't watch The Simpsons anymore, and they probably haven't since the late 1990s.

00:43:07.820 The Simpsons were great, though. In its heyday, The Simpsons was absolutely terrific. They've

00:43:12.940 finally given in. Matt Groening, all of these other guys who are behind The Simpsons have resisted the

00:43:20.220 calls to get rid of Apu by radical lefty lunatics who are offended on behalf of Indians. Because,

00:43:27.900 you know, it's not Indians who are complaining about this. It's decadent white liberals who are

00:43:32.300 complaining. It's little white girls complaining on behalf of the subcontinent and saying, oh, 0.99

00:43:38.060 it's so offensive that Apu is a stereotypical Indian character because he says, thank you, 1.00

00:43:43.740 come again. And this is considered offensive, again, by little white girls on behalf of Indian 0.98

00:43:50.300 people for whom they do not speak. But also, if we're going to get rid of stereotypical characters

00:43:55.020 in The Simpsons, what happens to all the other characters in The Simpsons? You know, what happens

00:44:00.780 to that? What happens to the chief of police who's this bumbling fat idiot who just eats donuts all

00:44:05.100 the time? What happens to groundskeeper Willie, this screaming, angry, violent Scotsman? What happens

00:44:10.380 to the Italian chef who looks like he's a Mario? What happens to the mob boss who portrays Italians 0.75

00:44:15.900 as mobsters? What happens to the Jews? What happens to every other stereotype in The Simpsons? What happens

00:44:22.940 to the Latin American guy in the bee costume? I kind of forget their names. It's been a while since

00:44:27.740 I've seen it. But there are these characters, Jewish character, Mexican character, whatever.

00:44:32.140 What happens to them? It's just Apu. It's just Apu, right? What is the end game? The end game here

00:44:38.140 is the lowest common denominator. You know, I had an experience of this yesterday. I have wonderful

00:44:44.460 friends who are left-wing and they're vegan. And I've actually got multiple friends who are vegan.

00:44:51.100 Okay, you know, do what you want, live the way you want to live. And so we were going to go get

00:44:55.660 lunch and they took me to a vegan restaurant. Now I'll point out, when I take my vegan friends to

00:45:02.540 lunch, I don't take them to a barbecue restaurant. But so they take us to a vegan restaurant. And why?

00:45:08.540 Why did they do it? Because we all eat vegetables. We can all eat bread, right? Everybody can. That's the

00:45:13.660 bare minimum of what you can eat. So they say, okay, well, you can eat that. We can't eat meat,

00:45:18.700 but you can eat that. So that's fine. This is the lowest common denominator. It's when somebody in your

00:45:23.580 family or in your friends becomes a vegetarian. All of a sudden, everybody's got to become a

00:45:27.420 vegetarian because, oh, that's fine. You can. You don't need this. You don't need that. You don't

00:45:31.180 need meat. You don't need cheese. You don't, you know, by the way, I don't know any more masochistic

00:45:38.700 cultural trend than veganism. I could do vegetarianism for like a week or two because at least you get

00:45:44.060 cheese and cream and Alfredo sauce or whatever. Veganism is not tenable. It is, I'm deeply skeptical that

00:45:53.020 anybody is actually maintaining that diet regimen. Nevertheless, I digress. It's all this lowest

00:45:58.460 common denominator. That's offensive to one person. Apu is offensive to one person in the world,

00:46:02.780 so we've got to get rid of them. He brings enjoyment to millions of people, but one person's offended,

00:46:06.780 so we've got to get rid of them. The turkey sandwich is delicious to billions of people on

00:46:12.460 earth, but one person gets offended for the turkey. I guess the turkey is upset or something. So,

00:46:17.420 okay, we've got to get rid of it. Nobody can have it anymore. What are we going to end up with?

00:46:20.940 We're going to end up in a perfectly clear white room with no windows staring at a wall like this,

00:46:27.020 and then someone's going to be offended that it's a white room, so it's going to have to be a beige

00:46:30.300 room or something, and all of the little diversities and eccentricities and lovely little aspects of

00:46:35.260 life that give us enjoyment will be stripped bare, but at least no one will be offended. That's the

00:46:40.060 world that they're proposing, and fortunately, the right offers an alternative. I think this is why the

00:46:46.060 right is finally cool. I think this is why Kanye West now has produced a t-shirt line for Blexit.

00:46:53.340 He calls the black exit. This is why he's speaking and so embracing the right is he says there's 0.99

00:46:59.900 dragon energy. He says, you know, there's masculine energy. There's this, whatever. What he's really

00:47:04.620 saying is it's enjoyable. It's nice. Jerry Seinfeld is no right winger. He is far from a right winger,

00:47:10.860 but you hear him assailing political correctness because it's just not funny. It's just awful. It's

00:47:16.060 so terrible. So I think this is an important message. I'm really sorry the Simpsons caved on

00:47:21.660 this. I mean, I also don't care because I haven't watched it in 20 years. I hope that the rest of the

00:47:26.700 culture realizes this is a loser issue. This is a loser. Don't. I know it seems like the screaming

00:47:33.020 hordes. I know it seems like there are a lot of them. There aren't. There are like five of them.

00:47:39.340 Who cares what they think? They'll toughen up. They'll grow out of it. All right. That's our

00:47:44.400 show. We're out of time. I'm even running late. Check it out tonight. We're going to be back

00:47:48.200 8.30 Eastern, 5.30 Pacific, 7.30 Central on how to write nothing and sell 100,000 copies.

00:47:56.360 I know that you lost Mega Millions last week, unless the winners are actually listening to this show,

00:48:02.700 in which case you should call me. But if you're not, you'll need to figure out how to write nothing

00:48:07.680 and sell 100,000 copies. That'll be tonight, University of Alabama, Huntsville. I'll be

00:48:11.100 back in the studio tomorrow. In the meantime, I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles

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The Michael Knowles Show - October 29, 2018

Ep. 242 - The Case For The Death Penalty

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