The Michael Knowles Show


Ep. 27 - Pussycat Doll vs. Pussyhat Dolls： MAGA in the Music Industry ft. Joy Villa and Kaya Jones


Summary

We discuss the difference between Pussycat Dolls and the Pussyhat Dolls with the only two famous musicians in Hollywood who support President Trump. Plus, Antonia Okafor joins the panel of deplorables to cover Harvard University's awarding a fellowship to transgender trader Chelsea Manning, potential DACA deals between the White House and Chuck Schumer, and the mailbag.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Today, we have an especially covfefe show. We discuss the difference between Pussycat Dolls and Pussyhat Dolls with the only two famous musicians in Hollywood who support President Trump, MAGA songwriter Joy Villa and former Pussycat Doll Kaya Jones.
00:00:15.380 Then, Antonia Okafor joins the panel of deplorables to cover Harvard University's awarding a fellowship to transgender trader Chelsea Manning, potential DACA deals between the White House, Chuck Schumer, and Nancy Pelosi, oh my, and the mailbag.
00:00:30.820 But stick around to the end because we're going full covfefe in the last segment. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.
00:00:36.680 The Michael Knowles Show.
00:01:06.680 I am so excited. We are joined today by Joy Villa and Kaya Jones. Everyone will know Joy because famously you wore a Make America Great Again dress to the Grammy Awards last year.
00:01:20.960 That's right.
00:01:21.280 It was the best thing ever. I love it. It was so gutsy, unbelievable. And Kaya Jones, you came out also as a Trump supporter, former Pussycat Doll. You left the Pussycat Dolls. We want to talk about that later.
00:01:33.340 And you're also totally out with your MAGA right-wing spirit in Hollywood.
00:01:38.300 Yes, totally.
00:01:39.540 So now that you're out, you'll never have careers again.
00:01:41.460 No, that isn't true. That isn't true because after you wore the dress, your album shot up to number one.
00:01:48.460 Number one on all the charts. Billboard, Amazon, iTunes, Google Play, wherever fine music was sold, my album was number one on it.
00:01:57.940 And my newest song, Make America Great Again, is number one on Amazon right now.
00:02:01.680 Your song, Make America Great Again, I don't know how I made it this long without hearing.
00:02:06.700 Do we have a clip of that? Can we play it?
00:02:08.840 Oh, then you know if we don't watch out. I love it.
00:02:12.960 We could all go under and drown. Yeah, the future depends on us. So we gotta wake up, gotta shake it up now and let's make America great.
00:02:26.580 Yes.
00:02:27.440 We can come back to us.
00:02:28.520 Oh my goodness.
00:02:29.100 That's awesome. That's awesome. That's awesome.
00:02:31.160 That's awesome.
00:02:32.260 Yes.
00:02:32.840 Yes, I want you at every concert I do from now on doing that.
00:02:48.120 It's my constitution lighter with the American flag. I love that song so much.
00:02:52.740 It's so fun.
00:02:55.380 I wrote it as a song of unity, you know, from the heart. I said we can be the hope of every hungry child. You know, where have we gone astray?
00:03:02.240 And it's a message of, okay, we might be in dark times right now. Politically speaking, we're so divided in America. But we can move towards hope and unity. And obviously, we know that here on the right side.
00:03:13.560 Absolutely.
00:03:14.200 We know we're winning and we're not tired of it.
00:03:16.640 We are. We're winning everywhere. I mean, we're killing it on the internet. Obviously, the Trump fans basically shot your album to number one.
00:03:23.900 Oh, it's incredible.
00:03:24.580 The silent majority, they call it. And you, Kaya, you were signed at age 13, I think, by R. Kelly. And then you're signed at 16 by Capitol Records.
00:03:32.800 Yes.
00:03:33.160 Then you joined the Pussycat Dolls.
00:03:34.320 Yes.
00:03:34.820 This is a huge, you are as mainstream, as big as it gets from a very early age, but you're a conservative.
00:03:41.540 Yeah.
00:03:42.680 Did that have anything to do with why you left the Pussycat Dolls?
00:03:45.560 Big time. Just a lot of the things that went on behind the scenes. It wasn't that we were, you know, sexual, like, young girls. You know, because we would wear, like, little skirts and be, you know, provocative. But, I mean, we're 17, 18, 19, 20. You know what I mean? So, it was that time where you want to be, like, cute.
00:04:03.280 Yeah.
00:04:03.600 Not, not to say, like, I would do that now. But, you know, at the time, I was like, hey. So, that was fine to, like, you know, own my sexuality. I think the problem, really, for me, was the dichotomy of what was going on behind the scenes that people did not see.
00:04:19.060 What was going on behind the scenes?
00:04:21.500 Everything could be pushed on us that you can fathom. So, from girls having to vomit their food, to girls being on pills, to sexual advances, to abortions, you name it.
00:04:32.220 Really?
00:04:32.580 For me, I just could not continue this narrative of caution. This is a lie for young girls that look at that and think it's their truth.
00:04:41.760 Because they'll want to be you. And I wanted to be the Spice Girls. So, I'm, like, you know, going, like, I want to do that. I want to be that.
00:04:48.260 But then you have to have a reckoning where, what am I doing?
00:04:51.900 What am I doing? What image am I putting out?
00:04:54.160 That I'm giving to a young child.
00:04:56.020 So, looking at that, going, I want to be that.
00:04:58.280 Who is pushing this? Is this, are we talking about producers, the industry?
00:05:02.740 A den mother from hell.
00:05:03.760 A den mother from hell, really?
00:05:05.260 Really.
00:05:06.100 And it's supposed to be about girl empowerment, right?
00:05:08.720 That was the whole point, yeah.
00:05:08.980 You guys were supposed to be the new girl empowerment group.
00:05:11.240 We were not empowered. We were a bunch of fingers trying to do stuff. We weren't a fist.
00:05:15.740 Wow. Great way to put it.
00:05:17.000 No, it was true. It's true. They divided us very, very well. So, we were never a unit.
00:05:24.360 And was that, that was the strategy? Keep you a little separate, keep you divided?
00:05:27.700 I think so.
00:05:28.320 Yeah, keep you in fear.
00:05:29.860 Yeah, I think so, for sure.
00:05:31.840 Do you think there were other conservatives in the group? Do you think that...
00:05:36.500 Yeah. One of, you know, my best friend was Nicole. She, yeah, she changed.
00:05:42.960 Wow.
00:05:43.560 Fame changes people. You know, it's like you stand in the ocean and the waves come in and so you're never in the exact same spot.
00:05:50.980 Yeah.
00:05:51.260 The sand moves. So, sometimes it's only like a couple inches and sometimes it's like you're out there.
00:05:56.280 And you won't even notice.
00:05:57.280 You won't even notice. And I didn't recognize who she became, honestly. I was embarrassed for her.
00:06:02.680 And when I left, I remember whispering that to her, you're better than this.
00:06:05.900 Was there a moment for you that came, you're looking around and you think, this isn't what I signed up for, things have changed around me.
00:06:13.460 What's that moment?
00:06:14.280 That moment was Diva's live, MGM Grand Garden Arena. We were performing and Patti LaBelle's wailing on stage and we're coming underneath the stage and I'm being told, you know, and I'm in a little itty-bitty outfit and I was like literally 30 pounds, 40 pounds thinner than I am now.
00:06:32.040 Forcibly.
00:06:32.660 Yeah, because I barely ate. You know, I didn't want to vomit my food and I didn't want to take drugs.
00:06:37.160 How selfish of you.
00:06:38.360 I barely ate.
00:06:38.760 How selfish.
00:06:39.820 I barely ate. But we, but you know, thank God for Kim Kardashian and women that actually have a body to actually say, okay, like, you know, it's okay.
00:06:47.460 But yeah, I was being told how fat I was under the stage and I looked like I had pizza sewn onto my, you know, my ass and-
00:06:56.780 That's what they told you.
00:06:57.620 That's what Robin told me before I went onto stage because she was no longer wanted, they didn't want her on stage anymore.
00:07:04.360 So her control was to insult us.
00:07:08.100 And so we're coming through the aisle, myself and Melody, and the other girls are coming up on a riser.
00:07:14.060 Yeah.
00:07:14.400 And I get to the front of the aisle and there's these two little girls in the front row.
00:07:18.560 And one had to have been maybe four or five and the sister had to have been like maybe eight or nine.
00:07:24.000 Wow, so young.
00:07:25.140 Really young.
00:07:25.800 And the youngest one goes, oh, she's a pussycat doll.
00:07:30.400 And she was just so excited.
00:07:31.840 Yeah.
00:07:32.340 And I just, I was like, I can't do this.
00:07:34.360 Said, you don't, you don't know the half of it, kid.
00:07:36.200 You don't know what's happening.
00:07:37.220 I couldn't, like, it was so cinematic.
00:07:38.580 Yeah.
00:07:38.980 Because you're like in this awesome arena.
00:07:41.180 Right.
00:07:41.480 It's what you fought for.
00:07:42.060 It's supposed to be your dream.
00:07:43.120 It is your dream.
00:07:43.880 It's what you went to.
00:07:44.360 It is your dream.
00:07:45.100 You wanted to do all your life.
00:07:45.860 Your whole life.
00:07:46.580 It is your dream.
00:07:47.560 There's 25,000 people in house.
00:07:49.160 You're going live to 23 million households.
00:07:51.640 It doesn't get bigger.
00:07:52.440 You have reached the peak.
00:07:53.720 That's selling.
00:07:54.420 They were the number one selling group on the planet.
00:07:57.480 For that moment.
00:07:57.880 For that moment.
00:07:57.940 For that moment.
00:07:58.960 And you guys were making millions of dollars for other people.
00:08:01.840 Yeah, we didn't make any of that.
00:08:03.300 She didn't.
00:08:03.620 But somebody made money on your backs.
00:08:05.960 No, you made $500 a week.
00:08:07.600 I get my paycheck stubs if anyone really wants to know.
00:08:09.680 Now, what happened?
00:08:10.900 I thought in Hollywood, we're preening, we're left wingers.
00:08:15.000 We need to share the wealth and spread it around.
00:08:17.800 Not so in the actual industry.
00:08:19.380 Not so.
00:08:19.840 I mean, honestly, I think if the Better Business Bureau heard about it, it's actually illegal.
00:08:24.540 Some of the stuff that's been done.
00:08:26.020 Wow.
00:08:26.120 Truthfully.
00:08:26.560 And you know, in the industry, quite honestly, I've always been independent.
00:08:30.640 So my story is different.
00:08:31.860 But knowing, there's so many young people on sets.
00:08:36.000 And this is what angers me.
00:08:37.140 Because I grew up modeling.
00:08:38.220 So I was 12, 13.
00:08:39.120 I got into modeling.
00:08:40.440 So there's nobody there.
00:08:42.640 Thank God I had a mom and a dad who protected me and would come to me and would chaperone.
00:08:47.240 I have an older brother, but there's nobody there making sure that these children on set
00:08:52.660 are getting fed, are getting water, are not getting molested.
00:08:56.880 Honestly, it's like they treat you like you're an adult from the get-go.
00:09:00.660 Because you're working.
00:09:01.560 You're working.
00:09:02.020 You're a body.
00:09:02.700 You're five years old.
00:09:03.900 They put the clothes on.
00:09:04.600 You know, you're a body.
00:09:05.420 That's all you are.
00:09:06.480 And honestly, if it wasn't for my belief in God and my strong family values, I would
00:09:10.460 have gone down a dark path because it's so easy.
00:09:12.620 And it's encouraged.
00:09:14.160 So you've always believed in God.
00:09:16.060 Were you always a conservative?
00:09:18.080 I was always a conservative.
00:09:19.920 My story's funny because I grew up hardcore conservative, Republican, Christian, and my
00:09:25.740 dad's a minister.
00:09:26.840 My dad passed away, but he was a reverend, a minister, a Christian minister.
00:09:30.000 My mom was a gospel singer.
00:09:31.680 So our family was all about singing.
00:09:33.380 Pretty solid foundation.
00:09:34.700 Yeah, exactly.
00:09:35.580 And you know, my mom's black and Choctaw Native American and my dad is Italian.
00:09:39.720 I could tell.
00:09:40.280 That's why we get along so well.
00:09:41.360 Oh, my God.
00:09:43.760 Oh, you guys have been talking.
00:09:44.800 Okay.
00:09:44.900 Loud, super noisy, and super fun.
00:09:49.320 But, you know, being a conservative in Hollywood, I always knew I wanted to be an actress, a
00:09:53.600 singer, a dancer, a model, fashion mogul.
00:09:55.980 I wanted to be Oprah.
00:09:56.920 I want to have the whole thing.
00:09:58.560 I'm still trying to be Oprah.
00:09:59.560 I'm doing my best.
00:10:00.580 You're doing your best.
00:10:01.500 You're getting me.
00:10:01.680 We're all trying to be Oprah.
00:10:03.860 Oprah is the top of the pinnacle.
00:10:05.900 But a conservative version.
00:10:07.320 Yeah, we don't have that yet.
00:10:08.540 So for me, I knew I was going to be in this industry.
00:10:11.560 But from the beginning, my first email address was actressforjesusatyahoo.com.
00:10:16.000 Wow.
00:10:16.860 And I got hate calls constantly.
00:10:19.440 Don't you know that you can't have a Christian faith in this industry?
00:10:23.140 People would just call me.
00:10:24.340 These are industry people.
00:10:24.740 Because my number and everything would be on my resume.
00:10:26.700 These are industry people.
00:10:27.640 They would email me hate messages.
00:10:29.580 So I was like 13, 14 years old.
00:10:31.340 I was like, all right, okay.
00:10:32.380 This is how it is.
00:10:33.280 I don't really care.
00:10:34.240 I laughed at it.
00:10:34.980 But it starts to wear you down.
00:10:37.180 And by the time I got to be 17, 18, 19, 20, you want to be with the cool kids now.
00:10:42.240 You're really trying to make it.
00:10:43.280 You're trying to make something happen.
00:10:44.400 I lost a lot of my conservative values.
00:10:46.920 And I didn't necessarily backtrack on my personal values.
00:10:50.540 I just didn't talk about it anymore.
00:10:52.340 Publicly, you go.
00:10:53.040 You know, I remember this.
00:10:53.980 I changed my email.
00:10:54.620 I changed the way I spoke.
00:10:56.080 I just pretended like, okay, yeah, you guys have your liberal views.
00:10:59.080 I'm just going to, you know, act like I'm a part of that group.
00:11:01.440 Even though secretly, I'm kind of dying right now.
00:11:04.040 Because you guys are disrespecting my faith, all faiths, disrespecting, you know, any decency,
00:11:09.040 any abstract thought, any difference of opinion, any conservative values, any traditional values.
00:11:15.700 In Hollywood, they hate a lot of families.
00:11:17.680 They hate the traditional, traditionalist view where we really put our faith in that.
00:11:22.800 And we really say, no, it's okay if you want to be a mom to be a mom, to be a dad, to be a dad,
00:11:26.820 and to have your career.
00:11:27.920 And we don't look at single moms or mothers who choose to stay at home as something bad.
00:11:34.300 But they say, no, you have to be out there and forget about the kids.
00:11:37.880 Why is that?
00:11:38.640 What is it about this town that makes them give girls eating disorders and take their money and run them ragged
00:11:44.800 and knock you for your Christianity and say you won't work in this town again if you believe in Jesus?
00:11:49.920 What is it about Hollywood?
00:11:51.460 I think, in my opinion, I think a lot of it has to do with the pressures.
00:11:56.240 I mean, you know, whether you're in front or behind the camera, there's a lot of pressure.
00:11:59.480 There's a lot of money at stake.
00:12:00.860 It's a lot of intensity.
00:12:02.540 And everyone has pressure to make sure you're number one, whether it's a number one song,
00:12:06.420 the number one show, the number one film.
00:12:08.860 There's a tense amount of pressure, which we know anything fear-based is not of God.
00:12:15.860 Great way to put it.
00:12:16.420 So when you have that amount of pressure, you can't help, but every fear starts to rise.
00:12:21.820 Of course.
00:12:22.340 This is going to be my last show.
00:12:23.500 This is going to be my last song.
00:12:24.880 We were just talking about it before we started.
00:12:26.600 That's right.
00:12:27.020 You know what I mean?
00:12:27.740 It is one of those things where you're just, you're always so grateful.
00:12:31.180 And when you're really new to it, you're just like, well, this is my stepping stone.
00:12:34.100 This is my stepping stone.
00:12:34.860 This is my moment.
00:12:35.720 Here's the next thing.
00:12:37.140 This is the break.
00:12:38.000 This is the moment.
00:12:38.960 And so you just follow what you're being given.
00:12:41.780 But at the same time, I think a lot of the pressure comes from we're filling quotas.
00:12:45.940 Right?
00:12:46.500 You got to be this.
00:12:48.560 And there's a box for that.
00:12:49.080 You got to be what they want.
00:12:50.520 Well, it's a quota.
00:12:51.300 And of course, these are all failed performers that are saying this.
00:12:55.320 Almost entirely.
00:12:56.580 Not to not producers.
00:12:58.200 In the music industry, I say that.
00:13:00.100 In film too, a lot of times you see it's people who try to be an actor, try to be a director.
00:13:05.080 And that's the power.
00:13:05.840 I'll tell you, I was on set.
00:13:07.580 I worked on Heroes.
00:13:08.560 That was my first big break.
00:13:09.820 I was booked on the whole season four of Heroes.
00:13:12.240 A lot of people would see me every Monday.
00:13:13.840 I saw you on TV.
00:13:14.940 So I was part of the little ragtag crew.
00:13:16.800 And it was really cool.
00:13:18.280 And that was my big break.
00:13:19.440 And it was the same thing like you're saying.
00:13:20.960 You want opportunities so bad.
00:13:23.140 So you're willing to, okay, fine.
00:13:25.580 They can treat me like this.
00:13:26.640 Okay, fine.
00:13:27.180 I won't speak up.
00:13:28.120 Because I might lose this opportunity.
00:13:30.240 And you've given so much.
00:13:31.700 You've worked so hard.
00:13:32.940 You've spent so much money.
00:13:34.040 It's very expensive to start up a career.
00:13:35.520 And for me, though, I was at that point that I was just starting to break into acting.
00:13:42.160 But I was doing my music.
00:13:43.540 And this director comes on set.
00:13:45.080 And it's raining.
00:13:45.980 Okay?
00:13:46.200 It's raining.
00:13:46.860 It's cold.
00:13:47.840 We're in the lot.
00:13:49.460 And we're shooting a really difficult scene.
00:13:51.540 This is probably hour 18 on set.
00:13:53.940 And the director starts screaming at everyone.
00:13:57.100 Get over here.
00:13:58.040 Get your damn stuff.
00:13:59.100 What are you?
00:13:59.320 He's just being rude.
00:14:00.760 He's being impossible.
00:14:02.220 So I was like, okay, I've been in the rain, you know, we've got select stars that are
00:14:06.440 in the tent, in the trailer.
00:14:07.860 The rest of us are here.
00:14:09.500 That's right.
00:14:10.800 I was like, okay.
00:14:12.000 I looked at him.
00:14:12.700 I said, hey.
00:14:13.840 And I was like a small-time actor on the set.
00:14:16.060 I wasn't one of the big-time guys.
00:14:17.200 I said, hey, excuse me, be nice.
00:14:20.540 And he just.
00:14:21.420 It's the first time anyone ever told him that.
00:14:23.020 Nobody said that to him.
00:14:23.980 So you see the wheels turning.
00:14:25.760 He just goes, okay.
00:14:27.680 Wow.
00:14:28.380 And he stops yelling.
00:14:28.860 Really?
00:14:29.220 And that's when I realized the power in this industry is to be nice, is to be kind, is
00:14:33.980 to be respectful.
00:14:34.980 And from that moment on, I started taking notes.
00:14:38.460 Who's treating me respectfully and who do I actually want to work with in the future?
00:14:41.560 Because one day I will have power in this industry.
00:14:43.060 Because it's all relationships anyway.
00:14:44.400 It's all relationships.
00:14:45.360 And that changed my life forever.
00:14:47.020 It is.
00:14:47.040 It is.
00:14:47.360 I went back into being super hardcore conservative after that.
00:14:49.960 Now, speaking of those relationships, you made a bet at the Grammys.
00:14:53.740 You made this bet.
00:14:54.660 You said, I'm going to wear this dress.
00:14:55.800 It might destroy my career.
00:14:56.960 It might not, but I'm going to do it.
00:14:59.820 This is what I think.
00:15:00.880 And it didn't.
00:15:01.620 You shoot to number one.
00:15:02.740 You have this.
00:15:03.180 It really works out.
00:15:04.460 Yeah.
00:15:04.740 When you leave the Pussycat Dolls, you're making a bet.
00:15:07.040 You're saying, I can't take this anymore.
00:15:09.420 I'm not going to choose to live my life this way.
00:15:12.540 Has your politics hurt your career?
00:15:14.980 Well, right away, I had a gag order.
00:15:16.600 You know, right away.
00:15:19.460 And I had to wait out time.
00:15:21.960 And luckily, some things happened with the group that allowed me that I was free and clear.
00:15:27.820 And I went to Europe and did EDM.
00:15:30.160 And I was lucky enough that I had success with my first solo single from, you know, being in Europe.
00:15:36.980 Because the first one was Hollywood Doll.
00:15:38.740 And then right after that was Take It Off, which was Data Life, DJ Reggie, Dimitri Vegas, Like Mike.
00:15:45.260 So I worked with all these guys, came home, and was like, I worked with all these people.
00:15:49.380 And everyone's like, who?
00:15:50.940 And of course, they're all at, like, residencies at Hawkasaw now.
00:15:53.840 Everyone's like, oh, my God.
00:15:55.060 What was it in my career like?
00:15:56.340 Dimitri Vegas, Like Mike.
00:15:57.000 But you had to go out.
00:15:57.840 You had to leave the country.
00:15:58.980 I had to leave the country.
00:15:59.760 And so I, that was, this is majority of my career has been in EDM and doing all of that.
00:16:03.980 Because you've had these successful albums, Confessions of a Hollywood Doll.
00:16:07.040 Yeah, all the Europe stuff.
00:16:08.460 And Asia, Africa, India, all of that.
00:16:11.600 And then.
00:16:12.180 They're a little more forgiving over there.
00:16:13.840 They are.
00:16:13.900 Because I explored there and had more success there before people knew who I was out here.
00:16:17.700 They really, really are.
00:16:18.900 And coming back to America, focusing on that.
00:16:22.280 I've been doing some education reform stuff, working on stuff with science, side of the fence that people are going to see next year.
00:16:28.480 And just was focusing on starting a record company and working on that kind of stuff and back end and strengthening what I was about.
00:16:36.180 This, you know, moment of her wearing the dress.
00:16:39.100 And a lot of people, if they don't know, is that I was on the carpet not far away from her.
00:16:43.220 You were.
00:16:43.740 Yeah.
00:16:44.000 I didn't know that either.
00:16:45.140 That was our third Grammys we had done together.
00:16:48.060 We're both voting members of the Academy.
00:16:49.900 And part of like, you know, she's part of the advocacy here.
00:16:52.720 But I do advocacy in Las Vegas, L.A. chapter.
00:16:56.000 But, yeah, so it was a moment.
00:17:00.320 And so.
00:17:01.020 So you're seeing it happen live.
00:17:02.140 You're watching the reaction right there.
00:17:03.400 I actually have it from the best angle possible.
00:17:04.640 And, you know, Andre is also a friend who designed the dress.
00:17:07.480 Andre Soriano.
00:17:08.820 And so.
00:17:09.480 He's a gay Filipino immigrant.
00:17:11.920 Yeah.
00:17:12.320 Who loves Trump.
00:17:13.380 Yep.
00:17:13.740 You know, the classic Republican vote.
00:17:15.480 Exactly.
00:17:16.040 Gay Filipino immigrant.
00:17:17.580 He's amazing, though.
00:17:18.640 One of many, obviously.
00:17:19.400 And that's why it was so special.
00:17:20.840 Because it couldn't have happened any other way.
00:17:22.480 They see this narrative of what is their, you know, oh, we're all about the minority.
00:17:28.760 Well, you know, with her beautiful fro, the flower in her hair, okay, body on point, the dress was like, right.
00:17:36.060 So they look at her.
00:17:37.000 And I knew, like, honestly, immediately, it's a disconnect.
00:17:40.920 So they're going to then pay even more attention than it was on anyone else.
00:17:44.620 It would never have worked any other way.
00:17:46.400 It triggered a lot of people.
00:17:47.680 Yeah, it did.
00:17:47.720 It triggered a lot.
00:17:48.860 I didn't expect that.
00:17:49.120 No, I know, but, like, it was amazing.
00:17:52.380 I'll tell you, when I did it, too, it was really just, I don't want to be stifled anymore.
00:17:56.740 I don't want to be closeted anymore.
00:17:58.920 I don't, you know, when Madonna said she wants to blow up the White House, I was like, are you kidding me?
00:18:03.540 This is okay now?
00:18:05.320 And she would never get in trouble for that.
00:18:06.840 Never.
00:18:07.000 You'd never get in trouble for that.
00:18:08.360 No, even though it's the people's house.
00:18:10.020 It doesn't belong to Donald Trump.
00:18:11.700 I mean, it belongs to you and me and all of us as Americans more than, you know.
00:18:16.180 And if you want him to fail, you want America to fail.
00:18:19.840 Yeah.
00:18:20.140 That's really the important thing.
00:18:21.360 I said, listen, we're not campaigning anymore.
00:18:24.620 He's the president.
00:18:25.520 So you have to respect that.
00:18:27.040 You don't have to agree with everything he does.
00:18:28.940 I always say that to my fan base.
00:18:30.520 I do a lot of live Periscope chats and Facebook Lives and do a lot of stuff.
00:18:34.600 And I say, listen, you don't have to agree with my politics, but you will respect them.
00:18:38.740 And I'll give you that same respect.
00:18:40.460 Not a safe space, but a respected space.
00:18:42.020 It's totally missing now.
00:18:43.400 You know, this just came out.
00:18:44.620 I think it's at Harvard.
00:18:45.880 They've renamed safe spaces into brave spaces.
00:18:49.080 They're so brave.
00:18:49.760 You can bravely pet little puppies and color and coloring books and things like that.
00:18:52.940 Hang in their baby kids.
00:18:53.760 Yeah.
00:18:55.400 Yeah.
00:18:56.440 Yeah.
00:18:57.380 It's ridiculous.
00:18:58.360 Ridiculous.
00:18:58.940 And this is our next generation of leaders, thinkers, scientists, producers.
00:19:03.980 God forbid that it's them.
00:19:05.760 They're being coddled like babies.
00:19:07.780 You just said that you'll respect someone else's opinion.
00:19:12.900 Absolutely.
00:19:13.540 It seems that that's true across the right, with some exception.
00:19:16.740 But generally, the right, it seems to me, understands the left and respects their right to spout idiocies.
00:19:23.120 Right.
00:19:24.160 But it isn't true the other way.
00:19:25.580 No, it's not.
00:19:26.320 The left doesn't.
00:19:26.640 They try to get us fired.
00:19:28.620 Because it's feeling-based.
00:19:29.220 And you know what?
00:19:29.920 It's feelings, not facts.
00:19:31.880 And they don't want unity.
00:19:32.660 I know a guy who says that.
00:19:33.520 He's up in Berkeley right now.
00:19:34.560 Yeah.
00:19:34.700 They don't really.
00:19:35.600 Yeah.
00:19:35.960 I hope he comes back okay.
00:19:38.900 Oh, we're praying for you.
00:19:40.520 Ben, that selfie I took with him in the makeup booth might be the last picture.
00:19:44.260 That's right.
00:19:44.980 Yeah, God forbid.
00:19:45.880 Oh, my goodness.
00:19:46.680 No, you're right, though.
00:19:47.840 I mean-
00:19:48.120 Yeah.
00:19:48.260 We don't really want unity.
00:19:49.660 Because unity says, okay, you can share your space.
00:19:53.000 You can say what you say.
00:19:53.980 And I'm going to say what I say.
00:19:55.200 And we've had to cow down for the last eight years under Obama.
00:19:58.200 We've had to be so respectful and so walking on eggshells and so nice.
00:20:02.340 Because if you say anything, you're racist.
00:20:03.740 Yeah, that's absolutely right.
00:20:04.720 Or anything, and now we can finally rejoice and be happy, and yet they come down ten times
00:20:10.240 harder on us for even saying, hey, make America great again.
00:20:14.220 A line.
00:20:14.540 Yeah, that's offensive.
00:20:16.080 I can't believe-
00:20:16.860 That's now equivalent to the Nazi symbol.
00:20:18.300 It's not even a new line.
00:20:20.020 Reagan used it.
00:20:21.000 Nixon used it.
00:20:21.560 Yes.
00:20:21.720 It's been around.
00:20:22.280 It's a simple line.
00:20:23.300 I think JFK used it.
00:20:23.600 It's been around forever, and it's a basic statement.
00:20:26.200 Let's make America great again.
00:20:27.820 Exactly.
00:20:28.720 What is more hopeful than that?
00:20:30.280 Oh, no.
00:20:30.600 They say you guys are white supremacists.
00:20:32.280 Yeah.
00:20:32.700 Or even-
00:20:33.120 Especially you.
00:20:33.840 Especially me.
00:20:34.680 I'm a black white supremacist.
00:20:36.360 Oh, yeah.
00:20:36.720 That's it.
00:20:37.080 Ben Carson.
00:20:37.580 Yeah.
00:20:37.940 Just like many of you, you know.
00:20:38.620 That's like Ben is a Jewish Nazi.
00:20:41.080 Oh, yeah.
00:20:41.380 And I'm a white black supremacist.
00:20:43.260 Well, I'm a quarter-
00:20:44.420 My mom is Jamaican.
00:20:45.660 I'm a quarter black.
00:20:47.000 A bunch of other stuff on that other quarter, and then 50% Native American.
00:20:50.500 And you're also a presumable white supremacist.
00:20:52.600 I'm a first brick or solo panel, and I keep saying that.
00:20:54.340 I'm not kidding, because I'm Native.
00:20:55.540 I'm all about it.
00:20:56.680 So, please, let's go.
00:20:58.160 But what we have in common is we all believe in supremacists.
00:21:01.660 That's the one thing that really, in 2017, that's what you know.
00:21:05.500 Can't we all get along?
00:21:06.460 I'm a Miss America great-again supremacist.
00:21:07.640 Yeah, there it is.
00:21:08.320 There it is.
00:21:08.720 There's MAGA supremacist.
00:21:09.880 MAGA supremacist.
00:21:10.700 American exceptional supremacy.
00:21:12.540 Yeah.
00:21:12.700 Okay, I could talk to you both all day, but we need to bring in our other friend.
00:21:16.000 Oh!
00:21:16.400 We need to bring in, we have right now, Antonia Okafor is going to come to us from some remote
00:21:21.400 location.
00:21:22.400 Antonia is the person who actually introduced the three of us.
00:21:25.160 But I know, listen, guys, I know if you're watching this right now on Facebook and YouTube,
00:21:30.100 you want to watch.
00:21:31.020 You've got Antonia Okafor, for goodness sake.
00:21:32.760 That's right.
00:21:33.120 But you can't unless you go to dailywire.com right now.
00:21:36.860 It is just $10 a month, $100 a year.
00:21:39.400 You get me.
00:21:40.160 You get The Andrew Klavan Show.
00:21:41.280 So hopefully after Berkeley, you'll still get the Ben Shapiro Show, knock on wood.
00:21:45.080 But forget all of that.
00:21:46.860 What you'll really get is the Leftist Tears Tindler.
00:21:49.240 Oh my gosh.
00:21:49.920 Look at this thing.
00:21:50.480 So sick.
00:21:51.100 I want one.
00:21:51.840 So sick.
00:21:52.380 I want one.
00:21:53.280 This is the finest vessel for Leftist Tears in the entire country.
00:21:57.380 It'll outlast us all.
00:21:58.380 It'll outlast us all.
00:21:59.460 It will outlast the nuclear holocaust or the Berkeley chaos, whichever comes first.
00:22:04.640 And what you can do, you can go to your leftist friends.
00:22:06.880 You can play Joy's MAGA song with the dress.
00:22:09.580 And then you can just collect all of the tears in this delicious Tumblr.
00:22:12.660 So go over there right now, dailywire.com.
00:22:14.900 We'll be right back.
00:22:15.500 We'll be right back.
00:22:45.500 The Harvard announcement reads, quote,
00:22:47.660 She speaks on the social, technological, and economic ramifications of artificial intelligence.
00:22:52.820 As a trans woman, she advocates for queer and transgender rights.
00:22:56.880 As XYZ Chelsea on Twitter, there's been no mention, by the way, in the announcement of Chelsea's conviction for espionage and aiding the enemy.
00:23:04.620 Antonia, is Harvard just virtue signaling here?
00:23:10.000 Would they have picked him if he were not identifying as a woman?
00:23:13.320 Or does Harvard welcome traitors of all gender varieties?
00:23:16.600 Well, I think they felt like it was balanced, right?
00:23:22.080 Because they had Sean Spicer as well on there, too.
00:23:26.420 That's true.
00:23:26.480 So I was looking at the comments, too, on Twitter.
00:23:32.760 And people were like, oh, I would not have been able to stand having Sean there if it wasn't for at least Chelsea being part there to help the board.
00:23:41.960 So I'm like, okay, all right, okay, guys, let's just calm down.
00:23:46.800 She is fine.
00:23:48.660 Sean is fine as well.
00:23:50.220 And let's just make America great again by having both of them together and Harvard, okay?
00:23:55.000 Let's make America great again and, as always, ignore Harvard.
00:23:58.200 Always.
00:23:58.860 Well, exactly.
00:24:00.200 Exactly.
00:24:00.680 So, yeah, I mean, it's Harvard.
00:24:04.540 The only thing, too, is I'm kind of, like, rethinking my whole going to law school at Harvard thing.
00:24:09.160 I'm just like, I could just be a fellow and have a Harvard thing.
00:24:11.780 All you need to do is steal documents from the United States government, leak them to our enemies, and you might be able to go for free.
00:24:18.300 Kaya, do you think that this is just a publicity stunt?
00:24:24.040 Or do you, I mean, Chelsea Manning doesn't appear to have any particular expertise.
00:24:28.240 You don't think it's a publicity stunt?
00:24:29.860 I think it's a combination.
00:24:31.660 I do think it's a bit of, you know, it's going to get attention.
00:24:34.180 So that's the goal.
00:24:35.580 I mean, you know, they want to be on the front of every paper.
00:24:38.400 And so however you can push the narrative to get the attention, I think, because they're out of control and they're not in power.
00:24:45.380 And they're not going to be.
00:24:46.280 So you've got to let it go, man.
00:24:48.220 Absolutely.
00:24:48.720 We're giving them too much attention as it is.
00:24:50.560 I agree.
00:24:51.900 All right, moving on.
00:24:52.520 Can I just say what I think about it?
00:24:53.360 Oh, please, yeah, Joy.
00:24:54.060 I think it's absolutely disgusting and appalling, okay?
00:24:58.560 She is a traitor to the United States.
00:25:00.840 She sold secrets.
00:25:02.520 She's been through prison for this, okay?
00:25:04.660 She's not who she says she is.
00:25:06.600 She's not sunshine and rainbows, even though she likes to use a lot of emojis and act like, oh, I'm on the cover of Vogue or I'm in Vogue magazine.
00:25:12.460 I'm just a normal girl.
00:25:13.720 No, you're not.
00:25:14.680 You're a convicted criminal.
00:25:16.340 You're a traitor.
00:25:16.860 And I don't think you should be getting props or be given Harvard Excellence Awards when you are a traitor to the United States.
00:25:23.040 So to me, Harvard, I got no love for you.
00:25:25.360 Preach, Joy.
00:25:26.360 That's why I was right there.
00:25:26.740 That was just like a whole, like, Hurricane Katrina.
00:25:31.280 I was right there and I was sitting right beside her.
00:25:33.460 I couldn't agree more.
00:25:36.460 It really, it says a lot about our universities right now that that's what they do.
00:25:41.620 They find the nearest traitor.
00:25:43.660 They find the person who most disparages the country and they say, hey, as long as you also match some other intersectional criteria, come on and we'll give you a free fellowship.
00:25:52.260 Absolutely right.
00:25:53.140 Couldn't agree more.
00:25:53.960 Now we need to stop talking about Harvard.
00:25:55.640 President Trump had another meeting with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi.
00:26:00.000 Bum, bum, bum.
00:26:00.800 Then he tweeted out, quote, does anybody really want to throw out good, educated, and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military?
00:26:09.560 Really?
00:26:10.740 The president's Republican critics are now saying, I told you so.
00:26:15.020 Joy, you're on the campaign advisory council.
00:26:17.080 Yes, I am.
00:26:17.700 I always want to give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt because I love the guy and it's very covfefe.
00:26:22.580 Is this what we all fear?
00:26:24.700 Is this the leftward turn?
00:26:27.160 No.
00:26:27.780 I'll say this because I have full.
00:26:29.140 All right, good.
00:26:29.160 That's fine.
00:26:29.480 Yeah.
00:26:29.760 I'm sorry.
00:26:30.120 Go on.
00:26:30.500 I have full faith in our president.
00:26:33.940 You know, we elected someone who wrote the art of the deal.
00:26:37.140 So he knows what he's doing.
00:26:38.920 He knows how to sort of play, as we say, 4D chess.
00:26:42.380 And the fact that Nancy Pelosi already tweeted and already posted this like it's a done deal.
00:26:47.660 We're working together.
00:26:48.880 And the president's like, no, I said that we'll look into some things.
00:26:53.220 He had to say that to Fox News this morning while he's on the grounds in Florida helping out.
00:26:57.540 By the way, Nancy, where are you?
00:26:58.960 Where's your money going to help the victims from the hurricane?
00:27:02.000 And he had to say, no, listen, we're talking about it.
00:27:04.180 There's no done deal.
00:27:05.400 So, I mean, I think the tweets can be taken, you know, sort of he tweets a lot in the spur of the moment.
00:27:10.860 I don't think that this is the end of our Republican era.
00:27:13.660 I don't think our president has gone away from being a populist, as he really is.
00:27:17.420 And I think that he's going to be fair in his DACA dealings because he knows what he's doing.
00:27:22.440 That is great.
00:27:23.000 And I should point out, both of you, Kaya and Joy, you've raised like $3 million for the hurricane victims.
00:27:28.940 Isn't that right?
00:27:29.920 That's right.
00:27:30.580 We have.
00:27:30.980 We went down like we started.
00:27:32.880 It was my birthday.
00:27:34.580 We have, you know, songs that are released on the charts.
00:27:38.220 And it just felt right to instead of promoting our music, maybe we ask our fans to do the right thing in this moment.
00:27:45.900 Because my birthday was on the Monday from the storm.
00:27:49.200 Happy birthday.
00:27:49.640 And it was not a happy birthday week or day.
00:27:54.420 It was horrible.
00:27:55.660 And it made me and her really sad.
00:27:58.000 And we're like, you know what?
00:27:58.620 Can we do?
00:27:59.000 We went to our Periscope.
00:28:00.200 In eight hours, we'd raised over $250,000.
00:28:03.160 Yeah.
00:28:03.740 And so, and the charity was letting us know.
00:28:05.920 And so we were just kind of like, you know what?
00:28:07.200 Why don't we keep going?
00:28:08.020 Keep it going, yeah.
00:28:08.920 Let's see how much we can get out of this.
00:28:10.360 How about we go there?
00:28:11.360 Yes.
00:28:11.580 What if we put everyone on blast?
00:28:12.940 And we did.
00:28:13.520 And the only other person at the time, other than Sandra Bullock and Kevin Hart,
00:28:18.800 was J.J. Watts.
00:28:20.300 Right.
00:28:20.460 That was it at the time.
00:28:21.840 So we went ahead and we were like, okay, let's get down there.
00:28:24.640 Beyonce wasn't there.
00:28:25.280 I know she's there now, but Houston, Texas, baby, that's your hometown.
00:28:28.420 It made you millions of dollars.
00:28:29.300 My cousin, she took a long time.
00:28:30.920 Now they're all doing the concerts.
00:28:32.700 Everyone's there.
00:28:32.920 The hand in hand.
00:28:33.980 The phone phones.
00:28:35.340 Yeah, I was there two days before Joy.
00:28:36.800 And then Joy arrives.
00:28:37.900 And no lie, I mean, I was in water area seeing what was going on.
00:28:42.380 And it was atrocious.
00:28:43.840 And it was scary.
00:28:44.760 And it was heartfelt because you saw the communities coming together,
00:28:46.860 even though they were in real devastation.
00:28:50.800 And that was when we felt it was the right time to go.
00:28:54.060 Now it's kind of like we're now moving on to Florida.
00:28:57.480 Right.
00:28:57.880 You know, so.
00:28:58.800 They're still rebuilding a lot.
00:29:00.140 They are rebuilding.
00:29:00.900 And I'm really grateful that they're giving money.
00:29:01.320 But it would have been great if they would have came out there when.
00:29:03.520 But they should have showed up right away.
00:29:04.920 Yeah.
00:29:05.140 Because then you have disease that gets in that water.
00:29:07.800 You have things that, you know, you've got to move.
00:29:10.320 Action, action, action.
00:29:11.500 So, Antonia, is that it?
00:29:13.960 Is it President Trump?
00:29:15.200 He's in Florida.
00:29:15.920 He's got his mind on other things.
00:29:17.260 He's not really focused on this DACA stuff.
00:29:19.800 And we should not worry that the president's becoming a Democrat.
00:29:25.180 Absolutely.
00:29:25.800 I think it's really shady that they would do that in the first place.
00:29:29.760 In fact, they should get some type of, you know, repercussion for that.
00:29:33.420 I mean, I'm sure that that's why he had to do the whole Twitter storm in the morning for us to set things straight.
00:29:40.380 But I think it also shows why Twitter is so important.
00:29:43.980 People continue to say, oh, he should just close his account or whatever.
00:29:47.640 We don't need that.
00:29:48.080 And that's other conservative Republicans.
00:29:50.060 And I've always said, even as a journalist, I was like, no.
00:29:52.740 First of all, we get access to the source himself.
00:29:55.620 And that's a powerful thing for the American people.
00:29:58.480 I think that's what he ran on is, you know, he's for the people, you know, as a conservative,
00:30:02.520 as a populist.
00:30:03.660 He can cut through the media.
00:30:04.000 That's right.
00:30:04.820 He can cut through the media.
00:30:06.040 And that's why stuff like this is why it's important when they put out direct lies,
00:30:10.940 just absolute lies.
00:30:12.080 And they knew that him going back on it or anything like that was going to make it actually worse for him.
00:30:18.680 But I think we see through that this time.
00:30:21.820 But I'm sure the people who already hated him are going to hate him.
00:30:24.120 What are you going to do?
00:30:24.900 What are you going to do about it?
00:30:25.780 That's just what's going to happen.
00:30:26.780 What can you say about it?
00:30:27.620 Take more hate to rage.
00:30:28.580 So we now, usually I do the mailbag all on my own.
00:30:32.260 Usually I just give you, I find pearls of wisdom.
00:30:35.220 I spin them out all on my own.
00:30:36.360 But today I want to keep all of the ladies around.
00:30:39.000 I pretty much only have this podcast so that I can hang around with beautiful women.
00:30:42.860 So let's, let's keep them around for the mailbag.
00:30:45.220 And, and I think they'll help us answer some questions.
00:30:47.720 You mean the female bag?
00:30:49.280 The female bag.
00:30:51.320 Boom, baby man.
00:30:52.440 Ooh.
00:30:52.960 Get it.
00:30:53.360 Okay.
00:30:53.820 First question from John.
00:30:55.400 Greetings, King Trollio.
00:30:56.760 Thank you for using my proper title.
00:30:58.240 There are a lot of shows and movies that I'm not really interested in based on the amount
00:31:02.520 of swearing, violence, sex, and nudity.
00:31:05.020 That's the only reason I watch movies.
00:31:06.560 What are you doing?
00:31:07.040 That's the best part.
00:31:08.020 However, there are also a lot of shows that are awesome, but throw in these same elements
00:31:12.200 with no benefit or impact on plot or character.
00:31:14.940 Should people be able to edit out the content that they find objectionable?
00:31:18.520 Should a company be able to sell their services to do it for you?
00:31:22.020 And finally, do you feel this is worthwhile?
00:31:24.180 Thanks, John.
00:31:24.680 Let's start with the big artists in the room and see what they think.
00:31:27.920 Kaya.
00:31:29.060 Oh.
00:31:29.960 Wow.
00:31:30.540 I really don't care.
00:31:30.960 Should people, you don't care if they edit your material, you don't care if they take
00:31:34.660 out the bad words?
00:31:36.300 It depends if it pushes the storyline.
00:31:38.960 I mean, do we have to say, you know, does it have to be a curse word?
00:31:42.620 Not necessarily, but I mean, sometimes it kind of does because it punches through.
00:31:47.080 I personally, it doesn't offend me to that degree.
00:31:49.820 What I don't like is violence to a heavy measure.
00:31:52.540 That bothers me more than a curse word.
00:31:54.680 So that's just my, you know, that's, that's my view.
00:31:58.140 Joy, what do you think?
00:31:59.060 Well, I think it's censorship.
00:32:00.640 I don't think you should be doing that at all.
00:32:02.560 Listen, we already released edited versions of our music, right?
00:32:05.480 I personally don't cuss in my music, but if I did, I would release an edited version.
00:32:09.820 But if you start editing, you know, for the radio, that's the FCC.
00:32:12.920 But if you start editing movies and TV and start cutting it out, I mean, there's reason,
00:32:17.960 there's a reason we have rating systems.
00:32:19.600 We have G and PG films.
00:32:21.200 If any of these things offend you, and quite honestly, they're in real life.
00:32:25.180 So you're going to, you're going to come across something offensive no matter where you are.
00:32:28.800 But if these things offend you, stick to the things that are G rated, PG rated.
00:32:32.240 You know, that might be more your style.
00:32:33.620 But, you know, for me, I don't want censorship.
00:32:36.260 I'm on the other end.
00:32:36.960 I'm like, make it more free.
00:32:38.520 Let me use my voice.
00:32:39.520 Let me say what I want.
00:32:40.560 And let me tell my story without you trying to tell me what I shouldn't, shouldn't say.
00:32:43.960 I do think very often conservatives shy away from things that are a little naughty or violent or what have you.
00:32:51.400 Right.
00:32:51.740 And if the art is worth consuming, if the play is worth watching or the music is worth listening to,
00:32:58.220 or the book is worth reading, the human condition can be pretty nasty and brutish.
00:33:03.700 And rough.
00:33:04.600 So if it expresses that in a way that's artistic and truthful, then you ought to keep it in there.
00:33:09.700 You shouldn't be trying to make the human condition more shallow.
00:33:12.760 And if it's just some nonsense with a lot of naughty words and nudity and doesn't do anything, then ignore it.
00:33:18.640 It's probably not.
00:33:19.260 It's gratuitous.
00:33:19.860 It probably shouldn't be in the beginning.
00:33:21.460 That's right.
00:33:21.940 I also.
00:33:22.480 I'm sorry.
00:33:22.960 Oh, Antonia.
00:33:23.280 I'm sorry.
00:33:23.840 Move on.
00:33:24.240 All right.
00:33:25.640 I was going to say money talks, though, you know, just like anything, right?
00:33:30.060 If people are hungry for something that's more PG or whatever, people are tired of, you
00:33:35.880 know, the nudity and the cursing and everything, it's not selling anymore, then Hollywood's going
00:33:41.380 to respond.
00:33:42.100 I just like everything.
00:33:43.120 It's money.
00:33:43.460 Just like these two beautiful women, you know, people are going to respond to them because
00:33:47.600 they want more people like them on their, on the silver screen.
00:33:51.640 So I think that's what it comes down to.
00:33:53.240 I'm just, I'm, all I'm doing is responding.
00:33:54.840 I totally agree.
00:33:55.740 Money talks from, money is speech from Michael.
00:33:59.520 That is a great point.
00:34:00.560 People don't realize that, but money is speech from Michael.
00:34:04.000 Dear Michael Knowles.
00:34:04.660 Do you believe there's a place for atheists in the modern conservative movement in general
00:34:08.080 and the Republican party specifically, or will conservative ideas survive only if they
00:34:12.640 are supported somehow by religious teachings?
00:34:15.220 I really think this is an important topic as fewer people subscribe to organized religion.
00:34:19.800 And I don't think we should concede non-religious votes any more than we should the votes
00:34:24.600 of certain minorities the left thinks belongs to them.
00:34:27.700 Thank you.
00:34:28.880 I think all of us here have a strong opinion on faith.
00:34:31.600 Antonia, what do you think?
00:34:34.680 You know, I, yeah, as a person of faith, I'm a Christian, born again Christian.
00:34:38.360 I absolutely would love for all of society to be born again Christians and, and follow
00:34:43.440 that, you know, doctrine.
00:34:44.500 But let's just be honest here, even in conservatism, there are a lot of people who, well, they're
00:34:50.240 conservative and you just automatically think, oh, you're a Christian or you're a person
00:34:53.080 of faith, but then you actually get to hear what they're saying and some of them will
00:34:57.360 be outright, you know, I just, I don't believe in a God, but they still believe in conservative
00:35:01.520 values and even, even more so the Judeo-Christian beliefs that should go with it, even though
00:35:06.600 personally themselves, they don't believe in it.
00:35:08.740 So I think there is a place because people have already, have been doing that already.
00:35:13.900 Maybe they don't say it out loud, but they personally in their own lives are, are not
00:35:17.840 going to, you know, follow those doctrines in their lives, but they believe that in
00:35:21.500 general, all people should have that and as a go-to.
00:35:24.920 So I think it's happening.
00:35:25.580 Kaya, what do you think?
00:35:27.080 I think it's a tough, for me, I have a Christian, so it's, it's hard for me to say that, you
00:35:31.960 know, it's, it's hard to hear that there are conservatives that don't have a faith in
00:35:36.340 general.
00:35:36.920 It doesn't make sense to you.
00:35:37.900 It doesn't because it, no, because I love science and I love my religion and I do believe
00:35:44.220 they can coexist.
00:35:45.720 I mean, you look at the mountains and you look at the sky and you look at incredible
00:35:49.960 moments throughout history.
00:35:51.580 I mean, a Catholic priest discovered the big bang.
00:35:53.600 A lot of people don't know that, but faith and science go together.
00:35:56.560 They do go together.
00:35:57.420 People really, they don't ever place them together, but they do go together.
00:36:01.320 And so I just have a hard time when I hear someone that doesn't believe in anything at
00:36:05.900 all.
00:36:06.580 I just, I actually would like them to stay in the conservative narrative because I hope one
00:36:11.880 day they get to experience what feeling, um, movement of God in your life is like.
00:36:17.280 So I think if we push them away, there's no way to, you know, affect their life in a positive
00:36:23.600 way.
00:36:23.960 And maybe if they're closer, you know, they'll, that could rub off on them or they could see,
00:36:28.440 hey, wait, maybe there is something I'm not paying attention to.
00:36:32.120 Everybody's got to serve somebody.
00:36:33.420 Joy, what's your take?
00:36:34.500 Well, for me, uh, I think it's, it's relationship over religion.
00:36:37.920 So I'm always someone who doesn't, I don't think you should believe the same way I do.
00:36:42.200 I don't think you should vote the same way I do.
00:36:43.760 I don't think you should look the same way I do.
00:36:45.560 So me, I have a very protective view on people's thoughts and opinions.
00:36:49.600 I'm more of the, of the type that says, listen, if you're an atheist and you're conservative,
00:36:53.300 more power to you.
00:36:54.480 You can believe in whatever you want and practice your conservative, uh, beliefs and traditional
00:36:59.440 values because it's about values.
00:37:01.320 The thing that most religious people, Christians and all different religions share is that we
00:37:05.820 have values.
00:37:06.620 We respect each other as humans.
00:37:08.180 We know good from bad.
00:37:09.940 We don't want to hurt others.
00:37:11.480 We want to help.
00:37:12.360 We believe in helping, you know, the poor and the destitute and bringing up the successful
00:37:16.100 to be more successful.
00:37:17.260 So if you're an atheist and those are your values, you're welcome aboard.
00:37:20.480 I don't care if you believe in God or don't.
00:37:22.360 I can see eye to eye with anybody.
00:37:24.580 I agree with Andrew Klavan on this.
00:37:26.200 I agree with what you've all said.
00:37:27.300 And I, I agree specifically with Andrew Klavan who says you can be a conservative and an atheist,
00:37:32.320 but you won't make sense, but you can do it.
00:37:34.820 You should do it.
00:37:35.760 You should vote for conservatives and Republicans, but it doesn't totally make sense because
00:37:40.300 everybody has to serve somebody.
00:37:42.020 I'm a Christian and specifically a Catholic because I think it's true.
00:37:46.280 I think it's the true thing.
00:37:47.740 I wouldn't believe it if I didn't think it weren't true.
00:37:50.180 And I think the arguments for God are a lot stronger than the handful of arguments against
00:37:53.960 God.
00:37:54.360 I think Jesus is who he says he is.
00:37:56.700 I think the, the arguments for Jesus are a lot better than the arguments against Jesus.
00:38:00.100 And I think that a lot of what conservatism is, which is rooted in Western civilization
00:38:06.940 and the protection of tradition and human dignity and ordered liberty makes sense only
00:38:12.160 through a Christian view of the world or a Judeo-Christian view of the world as we call
00:38:16.460 it in America.
00:38:17.420 So if you're an atheist, if you're a Randian, if you're whatever, and you vote for conservatives,
00:38:21.960 be my guest, come on board.
00:38:23.580 It's a big open tent.
00:38:24.680 But you should also think about your views because I think it makes a lot more sense
00:38:28.660 if God exists.
00:38:30.140 Now, enough about all these minor questions about God and religion and all these things.
00:38:34.980 It's small talk.
00:38:35.580 It's small talk.
00:38:36.220 We got to talk.
00:38:36.760 I got the next two questions are much more urgent to people's daily lives from Shahar.
00:38:42.820 Ho, Michael, the Lord with no words.
00:38:44.780 I am about to start university soon.
00:38:47.240 And I wanted to ask you how to deal with the ladies, how to deal with the ladies.
00:38:51.200 I am only 19, and that makes me one of the youngest people in the school.
00:38:56.500 I'm in Israel, and people my age go to the army.
00:38:58.640 Plus, I never dealt with girls before because of a very religious family.
00:39:01.680 I am no longer religious.
00:39:02.900 That's too bad.
00:39:03.620 Go back to that.
00:39:04.400 And I have a physical disability.
00:39:05.820 Help.
00:39:06.280 Then the next question is from Matt.
00:39:07.940 Dear King Troll, hi-ho, I'm 25 years old, have a full-time job, a 401k, go to the gym
00:39:13.360 every day.
00:39:14.040 Overall, I'm not that ugly.
00:39:16.020 That being said, I have a serious problem talking to the ladies.
00:39:19.340 I've never been graceful when it comes to talking to the ladies.
00:39:22.300 I don't know why, but this is the one area in my life I lack confidence in.
00:39:26.120 I know a gorgeous man like yourself.
00:39:28.160 You have good taste, man.
00:39:29.540 Probably never had this problem, but what would your advice be to me to get over this stupid
00:39:33.940 fear I have loved the show, Matt?
00:39:36.000 Wow.
00:39:37.060 I am going to let the ladies take this one first.
00:39:39.140 Antonia, what do you think?
00:39:39.880 Oh, man.
00:39:43.700 I think it's funny because I was looking at the Prairie U video that was released with
00:39:47.300 Matt Walsh and talking about confidence and self-esteem, right?
00:39:51.380 And how it was a farce and a make-believe concept growing up.
00:39:55.540 And I think it is, but it is confidence, right?
00:39:58.080 It's confidence.
00:39:59.020 And confidence and self-esteem is that confidence is earned, right?
00:40:03.880 It's based on accomplishments.
00:40:06.140 So remember the things that you've done.
00:40:08.200 Remember also, going back to faith again, that God has made you in his image and therefore
00:40:13.460 you already have worth already.
00:40:15.380 That's it.
00:40:16.160 And that someone's going to see that.
00:40:18.000 So I think that's my advice to you is remember who you are through Christ and God has that
00:40:25.060 person for you.
00:40:26.020 So keep going.
00:40:26.900 Kaya.
00:40:27.620 Kaya.
00:40:28.020 I love what, you know, Antonia just said.
00:40:30.180 I mean, it's true.
00:40:30.800 We date our self-esteem.
00:40:32.340 So I would definitely say, think about who you look up to if you're a guy.
00:40:38.460 Like, you have your favorite actor, you have someone that you watch, or maybe it's your
00:40:42.500 father, maybe it's your brother, there's someone.
00:40:44.880 And maybe start to emulate in your mind the value of what you see your future self being.
00:40:50.720 Reflect that in here because that will give you confidence.
00:40:54.820 And it is mental.
00:40:56.520 So believe it to achieve it and suck it up and go talk to her.
00:41:02.700 Compliments are everything to women, as Chris Rock has said, food, water, compliments.
00:41:08.300 So.
00:41:08.580 So true.
00:41:09.520 Compliment her.
00:41:10.580 Say hello.
00:41:12.020 Know when to just stop talking.
00:41:13.880 Don't stutter.
00:41:14.880 Even if you just go up and say, hi, you know, you look beautiful today.
00:41:18.080 That's it.
00:41:18.760 Keep it moving.
00:41:19.900 But confident.
00:41:21.380 Joy.
00:41:21.800 How does a guy land?
00:41:23.340 Joy Villa.
00:41:24.220 Well, I'm already married.
00:41:25.680 Ah, sad.
00:41:26.520 Sorry, man.
00:41:27.560 Landed.
00:41:28.120 Woo.
00:41:28.580 Too bad.
00:41:29.480 But I would say I definitely agree with these gorgeous ladies.
00:41:32.700 What they've said is confidence is key.
00:41:34.840 And also the way you present yourself.
00:41:36.760 So when I was not married, when I was dating, I would look at a guy, the way he dressed, the
00:41:41.160 way he came off.
00:41:41.940 Was he looking me in the eyes?
00:41:43.360 Was he saying, hi, what's your name?
00:41:45.000 Or was he just, hey, can I buy you a drink?
00:41:47.020 Or did he look nervous?
00:41:48.100 Did he seem creepy?
00:41:49.040 So you have to come, you know, come off as yourself, but a better version of yourself.
00:41:53.740 So practice in front of the mirror.
00:41:55.320 Take some speech classes.
00:41:57.060 Learn how to be confident and compliment and talk to anyone anytime.
00:42:01.100 And a lot of guys tell me, yeah, but women don't like to be harassed.
00:42:03.840 No, forget about it.
00:42:04.680 Every woman is hoping to praise charming.
00:42:06.700 Walk up to her.
00:42:07.580 Be polite.
00:42:08.400 Be respectful.
00:42:09.440 If she doesn't show interest, then leave it alone.
00:42:11.780 But if she's talking to you and smiling, you know, then just be a friend to her and
00:42:16.000 then go for it.
00:42:17.120 Ask her out.
00:42:18.180 Ask for that date.
00:42:19.280 All you can get is a note.
00:42:20.360 Assistance, yeah.
00:42:21.180 My advice is best summed up, I think, by The Godfather, Don Corleone.
00:42:27.140 The main character is a guy just like me.
00:42:29.540 I wouldn't even have to act.
00:42:31.900 Just be myself.
00:42:34.320 Godfather, I don't know what to do.
00:42:36.020 I don't know what to do.
00:42:37.960 You can act like a man.
00:42:39.900 You can act like a man.
00:42:41.240 What's the matter with you?
00:42:42.160 Absolutely right.
00:42:44.780 These lovely ladies have summed it up very well, unsurprisingly.
00:42:47.560 You got to be confident.
00:42:48.680 And the way to be confident is you have to play to your strengths.
00:42:51.560 So back in the old days, before I was engaged to sweet little Elisa, I would, you know, I
00:42:57.140 might talk to a couple ladies every now and again.
00:42:59.420 And a guy like me, not a hulking football player, not the most physically intimidating
00:43:04.720 guy.
00:43:05.120 I might not do as well in a nightclub as Don Corleone, let's say.
00:43:10.180 But I might do a little bit better at a place where I can speak or something like that.
00:43:14.340 You got to play to your strengths a little bit.
00:43:16.000 You got to really own who you are.
00:43:17.980 You don't want to be cocky.
00:43:19.380 You don't want to be wimpy.
00:43:21.060 You just really have to put yourself out as you are.
00:43:24.020 Be comfortable.
00:43:25.080 Be comfortable.
00:43:25.920 And then you'll be confident.
00:43:27.000 And, you know, we're talking about picking up girls.
00:43:29.800 When I was in high school, if you were not on the football team, the best way to pick
00:43:34.240 up a girl, probably the only way to pick up a girl, is to learn how to play the acoustic
00:43:38.100 guitar.
00:43:38.600 That's the way to do it.
00:43:40.260 Oh, yeah.
00:43:40.640 And I thought, we're going to do a final thought today, but I want to scrap it.
00:43:44.320 I have these lovely ladies in here.
00:43:45.920 I would like to do something more fun.
00:43:47.960 I probably have not really played guitar since high school, but I brought one in.
00:43:52.840 No way.
00:43:53.540 I did.
00:43:54.020 I brought in a guitar and I brought in a little harmonica.
00:43:56.280 Oh, wow.
00:43:56.740 So, if you wouldn't mind, I'd like to maybe close the show on an acoustic live version
00:44:03.600 of Make America Great Again.
00:44:05.160 Oh, my gosh.
00:44:05.600 Would that be all right?
00:44:06.400 Sure, let's do it.
00:44:07.660 Would you join in?
00:44:08.580 Wow, what a great idea.
00:44:09.360 What a surprise.
00:44:10.160 I am going to grab the guitar.
00:44:12.140 Okay, okay.
00:44:12.680 Let's see.
00:44:13.200 It's like I have braces or something.
00:44:15.080 Go low, go high.
00:44:15.740 Yeah.
00:44:16.420 Anthony, you've got to sing on Skype.
00:44:19.200 Okay, so let's see.
00:44:20.380 This is going to be fun.
00:44:21.080 This has been, it's been a little while since I've played guitar.
00:44:23.940 Okay.
00:44:26.300 All right, I'm going to turn the microphone down here toward the guitar.
00:44:29.120 Yeah.
00:44:31.620 Ooh.
00:44:32.420 Got a regular Bob Dylan over here.
00:44:36.040 Yeah.
00:44:36.920 Wow.
00:44:37.120 So, we'll take it, we'll take it kind of slow like the song?
00:44:40.940 Perfect, yeah.
00:44:41.700 Okay, all right.
00:44:41.980 Might have groove.
00:44:42.860 Well, let's see.
00:44:43.400 I've been practicing this for like three hours now.
00:44:46.000 Oh, my gosh.
00:44:46.120 So, I hope it's okay.
00:44:47.380 That would be great.
00:44:48.320 Where have we gone astray?
00:45:02.920 Seems like we've lost our way.
00:45:06.100 The lies that we've been told have put our dreams on hold.
00:45:11.700 And, you know, if we don't watch out, we could all go under and drown.
00:45:17.280 Yeah, the future depends on us.
00:45:20.720 So, we gotta wake up.
00:45:22.480 Gotta shake it up now.
00:45:24.180 And, let's make America great again.
00:45:30.640 We can come back twice as strong.
00:45:33.520 Oh, we can still be the hope of every hungry child.
00:45:42.860 Be the sound of every freedom song.
00:45:46.280 Yes, my dear, we can.
00:45:48.800 That was awesome.
00:46:03.760 That was awesome.
00:46:04.680 I'm sorry, you're really good.
00:46:06.100 Stop it.
00:46:06.600 No, I'm sorry.
00:46:08.480 He's like, I haven't played the guitar since I was in high school.
00:46:10.980 You are too kind.
00:46:12.040 You're flattering me.
00:46:13.160 No, we're not.
00:46:13.780 And you play the harmonica.
00:46:15.320 I mean, that's some serious stuff right there.
00:46:17.640 Let's get out of here.
00:46:18.220 We're musicians.
00:46:19.380 You guys gotta stop.
00:46:20.160 I have to work with this guy.
00:46:21.600 If I weren't so tan, I would turn red.
00:46:24.260 That is our show.
00:46:25.140 I'm Mike Gnoll.
00:46:25.680 This is the Mike Gnoll Show.
00:46:26.880 Thanks for coming.
00:46:27.540 Thanks, Michael.
00:46:27.700 Come back on Monday, and we'll see you then.
00:46:29.620 Thanks, Antonio.
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