The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 288 - You’re Not “Fiscally Conservative, Socially Liberal”

00:00:00.000 Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz is almost certainly running for president,

00:00:05.100 exciting the precisely 0% of Americans who actually consider themselves

00:00:09.740 fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

00:00:12.380 We will examine that empty slogan as well as Howard Schultz's empty campaign.

00:00:17.080 Then, Comrade Bernie dances shirtless with the Soviets. 0.92

00:00:20.440 Oh, my eyes. Oh, my eyes.

00:00:22.480 A Catholic cardinal won't excommunicate New York Governor Andy Cuomo for killing babies 0.89

00:00:26.940 and some good news on the culture.

00:00:29.000 I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.

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00:02:14.440 Before we get to all of the weird stuff that you're doing on the Internet today

00:02:17.800 and how people can spy on you using your iPhone and all these other nefarious security breaches,

00:02:23.040 let's talk about the greatest story of the 2020 election.

00:02:26.920 I'm not talking about Kamala Harris.

00:02:29.420 I'm not talking about Bernie Sanders.

00:02:31.760 I'm not talking about Beto O'Rourke.

00:02:33.460 I'm not talking about any of those people.

00:02:34.540 I'm talking about the Howard Schultz independent Democrat bid for the presidency.

00:02:42.860 Howard Schultz is the CEO of Starbucks.

00:02:44.660 We talked about him a little bit yesterday.

00:02:46.540 He's very left wing.

00:02:47.960 He's a lifelong Democrat.

00:02:50.160 It seems that he is going to run.

00:02:52.700 I am seriously considering running for president as a centrist independent.

00:02:57.920 And I wanted to clarify the word independent, which I view merely as a designation on the ballot. 0.96

00:03:06.280 Don't help elect Trump, you egotistical billionaire a*****. 0.96

00:03:14.540 Not going great. 0.99

00:03:16.960 He's up there.

00:03:18.160 Howard Schultz is saying, I'm really seriously thinking about running.

00:03:21.500 And I'm a Democrat.

00:03:22.840 But I'm not going to run in the Democrat primary.

00:03:25.160 Why? Because he couldn't possibly win the Democrat primary.

00:03:28.940 So I'm thinking about running on a third party as an independent.

00:03:32.100 And then you just hear this obvious Democrat voter in the audience. 1.00

00:03:35.900 Don't throw the election to Trump, you egotistical billionaire jerk. 1.00

00:03:41.380 He says a different word. 1.00

00:03:44.140 In the greatest surprise of all, this Howard Schultz possible candidacy,

00:03:48.400 the idea of running as an independent Democrat,

00:03:51.060 the emotions expressed by that left wing protester in the audience,

00:03:54.200 they have all conspired to make the New York Times publish an accurate op-ed today.

00:04:01.220 I know.

00:04:01.980 Nobody saw this one coming.

00:04:03.700 The New York Times published a spot-on, absolutely gets it right op-ed by Michelle Goldberg.

00:04:10.280 It is called,

00:04:11.240 Howard Schultz, Please Don't Run for President.

00:04:14.180 And the reasoning why,

00:04:15.180 it's not just because he's going to throw the election to Trump,

00:04:17.420 although one hopes that he would run and that he would throw the election to Trump. 0.53

00:04:21.220 But what it really gets down to is this ridiculous slogan and label that people use, 0.72

00:04:28.380 which is, 0.76

00:04:29.080 well, I'm a fiscal conservative, but a social liberal.

00:04:32.900 Michelle Goldberg writes,

00:04:34.000 quote,

00:04:34.500 Schultz appears to share the conviction, endemic among American elites,

00:04:38.260 that the country hungers for a candidate who is socially liberal, but fiscally conservative.

00:04:43.200 After all, if you're rich, you probably know a lot of people like this.

00:04:47.740 I'm a social liberal, fiscally conservative centrist who would love to vote for a rational Democrat

00:04:53.260 and get Trump out of the White House.

00:04:55.380 A chief executive of a major bank who wanted to remain anonymous recently told Politico,

00:04:59.900 lamenting Michael Bloomberg's poor odds in a Democratic primary.

00:05:03.700 But this frustrated executive's politics aren't widely shared by people who haven't been to Davos.

00:05:09.320 In a 2017 study, the political scientist, Lee Druttman, plotted the 2016 electorate along two axes,

00:05:17.080 one dealing with social issues and identity, the other economics and trade.

00:05:21.660 Only 3.8% of voters fell into the socially liberal, economically conservative quadrant.

00:05:30.400 And this is certainly true.

00:05:32.800 Actually, more people identified as socially conservative and fiscally liberal,

00:05:40.120 like seven or eight times as many people identified as socially conservative and fiscally liberal

00:05:45.840 than identified as fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

00:05:50.040 This is a joke among the elites, though.

00:05:52.420 Virtually all elite people I know,

00:05:54.660 you know, the ones who grew up in apartments on the Upper West Side

00:05:58.360 and they go to very fancy schools and they know how to drink Chablis.

00:06:02.700 They fall into this category.

00:06:04.400 Well, I'm fiscally conservative, but I'm socially liberal,

00:06:07.880 which means I don't believe in anything, but I do like money.

00:06:11.440 That's all it means.

00:06:12.740 And some college conservative types fall into this.

00:06:16.620 The reason I bring it up, the reason it strikes so close to home,

00:06:19.300 is that I would have called myself a fiscal conservative and social liberal

00:06:23.060 for a long time, probably from the time I was 16 until, I don't know, 21, 22, 23, something like,

00:06:30.360 something in there. 0.91

00:06:32.140 This is just the natural course for libertine people who are not economically stupid. 0.84

00:06:45.140 Because what fiscal conservatism means is I've taken an economics course at some point

00:06:51.140 and I think that we should efficiently distribute goods throughout an economy.

00:06:55.860 The, you know, the elitism of this, there was an episode of 30 Rock

00:07:00.400 where Liz Lemon's awful boyfriend, Dennis, you know, he just always says things that are so awful.

00:07:06.660 And she said, what are your politics?

00:07:08.640 And he says, oh, I would say I'm a social conservative fiscal liberal.

00:07:11.060 And this was a joke because for anybody who wrote on 30 Rock,

00:07:14.940 this was exactly the opposite of what they thought.

00:07:17.540 But it's the cry of the elites on both the left and the right.

00:07:22.640 GOP donors think like this.

00:07:24.500 I've talked to a lot of big GOP donors, a lot of big party muckety-mucks, 0.94

00:07:28.900 almost universally. 0.90

00:07:30.840 They say, oh, gosh, I wish we would give up on all this abortion and gay marriage stuff. 1.00

00:07:34.720 I, come on, let's just lower taxes. 0.55

00:07:37.320 Maybe we can reform entitlements and let people do whatever they want in the culture.

00:07:42.060 Um, and this is a classic example of trying to sever effect from cause.

00:07:47.820 You know, one of the hallmarks of the left I always find is they want the appearance of the thing,

00:07:52.400 but they don't want the thing itself.

00:07:53.980 They eat meatless bacon.

00:07:55.820 They drink decaffeinated coffee.

00:07:58.460 They, they want all of the niceties of civilization,

00:08:01.020 but they don't want any of the discipline and the virtue and the culture of civilization.

00:08:05.380 So, uh, when I was a fiscal conservative social liberal in college, as, as many people listening

00:08:12.720 to this might be, I, one time Ann Coulter came to college and so I was talking to her

00:08:17.660 and she said, listen, kids, I know that a lot of you are social liberals,

00:08:21.460 but if, if all you care about is lowering taxes and you've got two politicians in front of you,

00:08:28.220 one who is pro-life and one who is pro-abortion, vote for the pro-life politician.

00:08:33.940 He will lower your taxes more.

00:08:37.660 And this is a really wise words because on the one hand you think, well, what does one

00:08:43.100 have to do with the other?

00:08:44.140 What does the way people think about babies or the way people think about gay marriage or

00:08:47.860 what, what does that have to do with lowering taxes?

00:08:49.900 What it means is that fiscal conservatism flows naturally from social conservatism.

00:08:58.220 But social conservatism does not flow naturally from fiscal conservatism, not necessarily.

00:09:03.940 Uh, I think of this as a stage of conservative development, so I'm not too harsh on college

00:09:10.300 kids who would say I'm fiscally conservative, socially liberal, but I am harsh on CEOs of

00:09:14.360 Starbucks because that guy's just probably beyond hope at this point.

00:09:17.580 I mean that he has reached the stage of I'm a billionaire.

00:09:20.900 I like to keep my money, but I don't care about anything other than myself, basically.

00:09:25.880 Um, I think the reason this is popular among a lot of people, the billionaires and the college

00:09:31.820 kids, is that it's the most material.

00:09:34.000 It's the most tangible.

00:09:35.820 It's so easy to make the argument, I should keep my money.

00:09:41.400 Economies where people have secure property rights are really efficient.

00:09:44.420 It's so easy to make that argument.

00:09:45.720 It's much more difficult.

00:09:47.700 It's much more uncomfortable, especially on college campuses today, to explain why gay

00:09:51.720 marriage is not a legitimate category.

00:09:54.860 Because then people accuse you of you don't like gay people, or you hate gays, or you're 0.97

00:09:58.840 sexually obsessed, or I don't know, whatever. 0.99

00:10:02.100 Of course, they're the ones who are sexually obsessed. 0.99

00:10:05.100 The left is the one who's foisting sex on us. 0.81

00:10:07.100 But then you have to explain to them the complementarity of the sexes.

00:10:10.020 You have to explain how men and women are actually different.

00:10:13.320 You have to explain to them that our views come from a realist epistemology, that we're

00:10:19.200 describing objective truth, not merely subjective experience.

00:10:22.880 You have to, you go down this whole rabbit hole, and for a lot of people, they haven't thought

00:10:26.240 through these ideas.

00:10:27.980 It's easy to say, I made this money, I want to keep this money.

00:10:32.920 You don't need to think a lot to realize that.

00:10:34.960 But to understand why objective reality exists, why men and women are different and complementary,

00:10:40.900 why we shouldn't kill babies in the womb even if we can't see them, it actually does 1.00

00:10:45.400 require a ballast of belief.

00:10:48.640 It requires some real depth of thought that, unfortunately, the vast majority of people

00:10:53.020 in our culture today don't have, all the way from billionaire CEOs all the way down to

00:10:58.240 college kids.

00:10:58.920 The really tangible issue with fiscal conservative social liberal is it doesn't work in reality.

00:11:06.240 What really successful politicians in all of history have been fiscal conservatives and

00:11:11.040 social liberals?

00:11:12.860 Can you, one basically you could name, which is Bill Clinton.

00:11:16.160 And even that isn't really true.

00:11:18.940 Bill Clinton was a big government left winger until he lost his midterm elections in 1994,

00:11:25.160 and then he moderated because he doesn't really believe anything and he just wants to be popular.

00:11:28.920 But 94 to 2000, you get the Bill Clinton fiscal conservative social liberalism, right?

00:11:35.820 He reformed welfare, he lowered taxes.

00:11:39.260 Okay, great.

00:11:41.420 Other than him, and I don't know that anybody wants to replicate Bill Clinton.

00:11:45.160 I don't think when people are thinking, gosh, I want to go into public service.

00:11:48.400 I want to be a world historical figure.

00:11:50.620 I want to really mold the world for the good.

00:11:53.160 I can't wait to be like Bill Clinton.

00:11:55.280 Nobody says that.

00:11:56.180 But who else falls into that category?

00:11:59.700 I can't think of any.

00:12:01.320 I just think of the pipe dreams of billionaires who are sitting, drinking their brandy and

00:12:06.520 their studies on the Upper East Side saying, oh goodness, if we would just get rid of all 0.85

00:12:10.500 this little riffraff abortion business, then we'd finally win elections. 0.99

00:12:14.440 What are we talking about?

00:12:15.980 Republicans do a great job of winning elections when we appeal to the culture.

00:12:19.980 Explicitly when we appeal to the culture.

00:12:22.820 Culture is all that matters.

00:12:24.600 Everything else is bean counting.

00:12:26.520 You raise tax rates a little, you lower tax rates a little, okay.

00:12:30.100 It all comes from the culture.

00:12:32.900 If you find yourself in the position where you're a fiscal conservative and a social liberal,

00:12:37.540 ask yourself, why are you a fiscal conservative?

00:12:40.940 Are you a fiscal conservative because you like money?

00:12:43.680 Money, we all like money, and money is not the root of all evil, but the love of money

00:12:50.280 is the root of all evil.

00:12:51.340 I hope you're not obsessed with money.

00:12:53.180 So we like money.

00:12:53.960 Okay, is it because you think it's efficient economics?

00:12:57.220 This is a better argument.

00:12:58.400 You say, look, economies work better, society works better when people get to keep more of

00:13:02.920 their money.

00:13:03.360 Then they can invest it in businesses.

00:13:05.000 Those businesses can invest in both capital and labor.

00:13:08.680 They can hire people.

00:13:09.960 People are working.

00:13:10.780 They're being productive.

00:13:11.540 They've got incentives because people are driven, at least in part, by self-interest,

00:13:15.920 and you can align incentives, and everybody's happy.

00:13:17.980 Okay, that's pretty good.

00:13:20.100 But even that is not sufficient.

00:13:22.500 That's a sort of utilitarian view of the world that we get from Jeremy Bentham.

00:13:27.740 We get from John Stuart Mill.

00:13:29.100 But it doesn't really encapsulate the whole of the world.

00:13:32.020 I mean, those two guys, Bentham and Mill, were so opposed to the father of modern conservative

00:13:37.720 thought, Edmund Burke, so opposed to the people that we draw our conservative thought from,

00:13:44.920 who were, in a real sense, romantic.

00:13:47.100 They don't just like efficient economics.

00:13:49.680 They don't like little tabulations and saying, oh, we can increase GDP X percent if we just

00:13:54.940 let people keep this much more of their money.

00:13:57.440 They like the diversity of the world.

00:13:59.500 They like the variety.

00:14:00.760 They are drawn by veneration.

00:14:03.340 They're drawn by awe, by wonder, by tradition, by prescription, by all of these wonderful

00:14:09.960 things that we have that you can't put down on tablets.

00:14:14.640 One of the great quotes from Reflections on the Revolution in France, he says,

00:14:18.660 the age of chivalry is gone.

00:14:20.840 That of sophisters, economists, and calculators has succeeded, and the glory of Europe is extinguished

00:14:27.120 forever.

00:14:27.500 And I think those people who say, I'm a fiscal conservative social liberal because it's really

00:14:31.360 efficient in an economic sense, they are the age of sophisters, economists, and calculators.

00:14:37.080 Who cares how the economy is going if you don't have the glories of our society, the glories

00:14:42.680 of civilization?

00:14:44.400 Now, one other reason, which is the correct reason to be a fiscal conservative, is because

00:14:51.040 fiscal conservatism comes naturally from your thoughts on politics and the culture.

00:14:57.500 And religion, ultimately religion.

00:14:59.980 Let's not forget, I know these days, some Catholic people like to talk about how great

00:15:03.840 socialism is.

00:15:04.840 The Catholic Church has condemned socialism multiple times in multiple papal encyclicals.

00:15:12.360 John Paul II did it in an encyclical called Centesimus Anus.

00:15:15.940 He said free markets are the most efficient way to organize economies, but he doesn't end

00:15:24.540 it at efficiency.

00:15:25.820 He grounds that in a moral sense.

00:15:28.300 This draws from Pope Leo XIII, who had encyclicals called Rerum Novarum and Quod Apostolici Muneris,

00:15:35.800 I think it was called, where he condemns socialism.

00:15:38.280 He says socialism is totally inhuman, anti-human, and it's opposed to the natural order.

00:15:43.920 It's opposed to what God wants for us.

00:15:46.720 Our ideas about free markets, about free economies, which is now where we have modern capitalism,

00:15:52.940 that comes from the 16th century church.

00:15:55.440 That comes from the school of Salamanca.

00:15:57.400 That comes from the natural law.

00:15:59.200 Our ideas of natural rights, we should have security of our property.

00:16:02.920 That comes from the natural law, and the natural law comes from considering the natural law

00:16:08.220 giver, the author of all of nature.

00:16:11.020 It is perfectly natural to get that fiscal conservatism out of what we would now call

00:16:16.740 social conservatism, tradition, our sense of the culture, our sense of religion.

00:16:22.360 It makes a lot of sense.

00:16:24.640 But if you try to flip it, you don't make any sense at all.

00:16:27.120 We've been talking a lot on the show recently about how the left always inverts the culture.

00:16:30.800 They always get things exactly backwards.

00:16:33.140 They think that strength is weakness.

00:16:35.100 They think that injustice is justice, and they call it social justice.

00:16:38.440 They get things exactly backwards.

00:16:39.820 This is an example of that.

00:16:41.380 And it's a product of a culture that is dominated by the left.

00:16:46.140 It would be such an instructive candidacy if Howard Schultz would run.

00:16:51.360 It would be so good.

00:16:52.640 First of all, it would fill up my Tumblr right up to the brim.

00:16:55.260 It would probably throw Trump the election.

00:16:57.680 So come on, baby. 1.00

00:16:59.000 Come on, Howard.

00:16:59.580 Do it.

00:17:00.040 Do it, buddy.

00:17:00.800 But what it would do is also expose the absurd lie to both the left and the right of fiscal

00:17:08.820 conservatism, social liberalism.

00:17:11.760 And it would cause us to stop just arguing around the margins, arguing over, oh, this

00:17:15.800 tax rate or this tax rate.

00:17:17.620 It would actually get us to talk about the culture, which is what all of our discussions

00:17:22.620 really are.

00:17:23.320 It's a frequently cited political truism, which has been variously attributed to a lot of

00:17:29.320 different authors, that all political battles are really theological battles.

00:17:35.560 You're not just talking about how trade policy can affect wines and cheeses or this or that.

00:17:42.180 What you're really talking about is what does it mean to be a person?

00:17:46.420 What does it mean to be a person living in society?

00:17:49.280 How should we relate to one another and how do we ground how we relate to one another?

00:17:54.240 Well, it's how we relate to the divine.

00:17:56.460 It's how we relate to our author.

00:17:57.940 It's how we view ourselves.

00:17:59.140 Those are the real profound questions of politics.

00:18:01.820 And Howard Schultz, in a candidacy that is already immolating, it is already just spontaneously 0.98

00:18:07.940 combusting as leftist protesters are calling him a jerk within 90 seconds of his quasi kickoff. 0.95

00:18:15.860 It would be very instructive for the country and it would be a lot of fun to watch, which 0.96

00:18:20.060 is really, really what I care about in politics.

00:18:22.360 It's not a question of fiscal conservatism and social liberalism, of course, when it comes

00:18:28.660 to our favorite socialist, Bernie Sanders.

00:18:31.380 He is a fiscal totalitarian and a social totalitarian.

00:18:35.680 So we knew that Bernie Sanders has an affinity for dictators.

00:18:39.500 We know that he has an affinity for communist slave states.

00:18:42.280 He actually took his honeymoon in the 80s in the Soviet Union.

00:18:46.760 But it wasn't until today that this beautiful little gem popped out.

00:18:52.320 Bernie Sanders traveling to the Soviet Union in June of 1988, shirtless, drinking, singing

00:18:59.880 This Land Is Your Land, a song by an American communist named Woody Guthrie.

00:19:04.220 Bernie, take it away. 0.96

00:19:05.140 For those of you who can't see, there is Bernie looking just like Bernie, talking to some Russian-accented 0.99

00:19:27.400 woman.

00:19:27.700 He's got the foreign-rimmed glasses.

00:19:29.320 He's got his crazy-looking hair, completely shirtless, slumped over because he has bad posture.

00:19:34.360 The things that have ridden of my ways, I saw the bees right in this dry ways, I saw below

00:19:47.160 me, this land was made for you and me.

00:19:56.400 Chin, chin, I guess I'll raise my glass of leftist tears. 0.99

00:19:59.200 I would like this video to put to rest forever the left's ridiculous hypocrisy on Trump 0.98

00:20:08.360 colluding with Russia. The American left has colluded with Russia 0.96

00:20:12.840 beginning in 1917 all the way up to the present. The American left has colluded,

00:20:20.060 and not just with the modern Russians, who are relatively sort of nice guys compared to the old 0.99

00:20:25.160 Russians, who were Soviet slave state, dictator, totalitarian, murderers, thugs, the worst people 1.00

00:20:33.380 on the face of the earth. Bernie Sanders chooses to have his honeymoon there, to sing, to drink, 0.99

00:20:38.660 to be shirtless for some reason, don't know what they're doing, don't really want to know what

00:20:41.700 they're doing. How absurd to say they're now colluding with the Russians. Barack Obama just

00:20:46.820 a few years ago was sitting next to the head of Russia, Medvedev, the fake head of Russia,

00:20:51.140 because Putin was really the head of Russia. And he said, let them know I'll have more

00:20:56.120 flexibility after my next election. And then you hear Medvedev lean in and he says,

00:20:59.940 duh, I will transmit this information to Vladimir, duh, and then I vow to suck your blood. 0.98

00:21:04.700 He actually colluded on a hot mic with the Russians. Bernie Sanders here. So you say, 0.99

00:21:12.400 okay, if colluding with the Russians is so bad, how come the left did it for a hundred years?

00:21:16.680 If colluding with the Russians is so bad, how come Bernie Sanders had his honeymoon there? 0.80

00:21:19.720 Of course, it's crazy. Now, the other thing this tape reminds me of is that Bernie Sanders is this

00:21:26.000 lovable old coot. Isn't he? Oh, he's so lovable. He's got that crazy hair and that silly Queens 1.00

00:21:31.560 accent and he's got his glasses and all he's so lovable and old. And then you think about this 0.97

00:21:37.820 and then you see that video, you know, uh, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and other socialist,

00:21:43.440 proud socialist. Oh, she's young and pretty and bubbly. Okay. And that, well, and then you think

00:21:50.580 about this because after all the funny, bubbly, crazy hair, ah, ha, ha, Bernie, what they are doing

00:21:59.860 is supporting wicked ideas and not just wicked ideas, but the embodiment of those wicked ideas

00:22:06.060 in wicked regimes. Here is Bernie Sanders partying with Soviets in the 1980s. Partying loves it, can't 0.95

00:22:15.040 get enough of it. One of the worst nations, one of the worst states ever to exist on the face of the

00:22:24.020 earth. As a matter of this, of the scale of human misery, Soviet, the Soviet union under Stalin was

00:22:32.820 worse than Nazi Germany. Just as a matter of scale, there might be a difference in wickedness, 0.87

00:22:39.380 which, which gives Hitler the edge over Stalin, but really you're talking about arsenic and cyanide. 0.94

00:22:44.920 This is a wicked, wicked slave regime. And that's what they support. That's what they said with the 0.96

00:22:52.020 entire American left supported the regime in Venezuela that turned it into a, an awful starving

00:22:59.780 slave state where people are eating rats in the streets. The American left, Sean Penn cheered it 0.86

00:23:04.900 on. The American left loved Hugo Chavez, socialist Venezuela. And what it's led to is unspeakable

00:23:11.560 misery down there. It's, it's very confusing. It's really hard because what we see on TV

00:23:17.100 is cute old Bernie Sanders, cute little Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Oh, it can't be that bad.

00:23:23.720 You got to watch these videos. I mean, this is where president Trump really has a sense of politics

00:23:28.760 and it's where the culture is so much more important than little accounting books for the

00:23:33.940 fiscal conservatives, which is the culture dominates. What you see is what, what affects you.

00:23:41.620 When I see Bernie Sanders crazy on a stage, what, what do I really care? When I see him cheering and

00:23:47.480 dancing half naked for some reason, along with Soviets in the eighties, that really puts it into 1.00

00:23:52.460 perspective. And this is how Hollywood always manipulates our politics is on any issue. They

00:23:58.460 should, whenever it's their issue, it's the sunniest, rosiest, most wonderful. They can make abortion

00:24:03.800 look glamorous and they do make abortion look glamorous, but what about the conservatives?

00:24:11.860 What about, did you see the movie Vice? Vice, which just lied. It patently lied. Just one example

00:24:19.500 in the movie Vice about Dick Cheney. They have an entire scene where Dick Cheney orders his chief of

00:24:26.440 staff, Scooter Libby, to leak the identity of Valerie Plame. We know that didn't happen. We know that didn't

00:24:31.300 happen because of an investigation, which showed that the leak came from the State Department,

00:24:35.060 not from the office of the Vice President. Doesn't matter. They lie. They turn, Cheney starts

00:24:40.380 soliloquizing like a Shakespearean villain. They, they're just these awful, contorted, terrible, 0.97

00:24:46.980 and that's what you see. And that's what you think of. I mean, that's what you believe. Also,

00:24:51.900 just a little side note, where did they get this video? How did Hillary Clinton not have this video

00:24:57.960 of Bernie in 2016? Maybe they thought it would have helped Bernie among the Democrat electorate,

00:25:03.420 but this video was leaked by the head of the draft Beto campaign, which almost certainly,

00:25:10.360 I've been around a lot of draft candidate campaigns. Very often they're being encouraged by the

00:25:15.880 candidates. And so I'm sure Beto is basically working with these guys. And so the Beto team dug up

00:25:21.560 this video of Bernie Sanders from the 80s. Where was Hillary Clinton on this in 2016? Just another

00:25:28.060 example of a terribly run presidential campaign. And it's not just Bernie, by the way. It's not just

00:25:32.720 Bernie and AOC. Kamala Harris too is, is embracing socialism. And this should send up a warning sign

00:25:39.760 for everybody because Kamala Harris is the calculating politician. She is the, there was a story that came

00:25:48.560 out yesterday. A San Francisco mayor said that he dated her and she willingly dated this guy who was

00:25:54.560 20 or 30 years older just to advance her career. She's the cold calculator. She's the Hillary 4.0. 1.00

00:26:00.620 I guess you couldn't be Hillary 2.0. And she is trending towards socialism. This is going to

00:26:04.640 dominate the Democrat primary. We'll see what she has to say. Then we'll get to whether or not we

00:26:08.600 should excommunicate the governor of New York over abortion. And then there actually is some good 0.97

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00:26:41.400 matters. The Leftist Tears Tumblr. It's going to be a long 2020 campaign. You're going to see a lot

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00:27:11.400 So from the fiscal socialist, social socialist wing of the Democrat Party, which is the whole

00:27:18.800 Democrat Party, we now have Kamala Harris, who's on CNN. She's speaking with Jake Tapper, and she gives

00:27:25.060 her explanation of a problem that Democrats have had to think about for a while now. The question was,

00:27:31.020 if you have a government taking over most or all of our healthcare system, then how does the patient

00:27:36.820 get to keep his choice, his choice of insurance, his choice of doctor? How did the insurance

00:27:41.740 companies get to maintain their choice and their liberty and their competition to keep cost? How do

00:27:48.200 you get to keep choice in the system if the government takes over healthcare? Kamala Harris has her new 1.00

00:27:54.520 answer. Just to follow up on that, and correct me if I'm wrong, to reiterate, you support the

00:27:59.660 Medicare for All bill. I think initially co-sponsored by Senator Bernie Sanders. You're also a co-sponsor

00:28:03.840 on it. I believe it will totally eliminate private insurance. So for people out there who like their

00:28:09.900 insurance, they don't get to keep it? Well, listen, the idea is that everyone gets access to medical

00:28:15.980 care, and you don't have to go through the process of going through an insurance company, having them

00:28:21.500 give you approval, going through the paperwork, all of the delay that may require. Who of us has not

00:28:26.480 had that situation where you've got to wait for approval, and the doctor says, well, I don't know if

00:28:30.520 your insurance company is going to cover this. Let's eliminate all of that. Let's move on.

00:28:35.620 Let's eliminate all that. Let's move on. Look, let's eliminate the greatest healthcare regime

00:28:40.620 in the history of the world that basically single-handedly provides healthcare innovation

00:28:45.800 to the entire world, the place that everybody goes when they want medical care. Let's eliminate it.

00:28:51.860 You know, like, what did that ever do for us other than be the greatest achievement of healthcare

00:28:58.340 science ever? Other than that, come on, move on. This is the sign of the radical and the sign of

00:29:06.840 the reformer is they will bulldoze centuries of work on a whim. They don't care. They have no respect

00:29:15.560 for anything. They are utterly filled with pride. And so they say, whatever, I don't love it. So yeah,

00:29:22.840 I just don't love it. So just bulldoze it. Who cares? Well, we'll probably be able to recreate

00:29:27.240 the culmination of centuries of science in like a day, right? And add onto it something that has

00:29:33.180 never succeeded ever, which is government control of healthcare. Yeah, let's, whatever. I don't know.

00:29:38.880 Who cares? It's only a sixth of the economy and the healthcare of 300 million Americans,

00:29:43.340 whatever. How ridiculous, how flippant, what an unserious person to say that sort of thing. 0.95

00:29:49.920 Also, it's a lie. Everybody has access to medical care in the United States. She can't answer it 0.96

00:29:56.520 because you're right. People won't get to be able to choose their doctor. They won't be able to get

00:29:59.760 to choose who provides their healthcare. So she has to answer a different question. She says, yeah,

00:30:04.880 okay, well, but everyone is going to have access to medical care. Everyone in the United States has

00:30:09.200 access to medical care. Illegal aliens in the United States can access medical care whenever they want. 0.97

00:30:13.840 She is right that the system is terrible. She's right. It is. It's like that Churchill quote about

00:30:19.600 democracy. Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all of the others that have been tried.

00:30:24.000 The American healthcare system is the worst form of healthcare other than all the other systems that

00:30:29.260 have been tried. That's true. It's so frustrating. I go to the doctor once every 50 years and I, so I go

00:30:35.960 get a checkup or something and I'll get random bills for this and it really costs $10,000, but you're only

00:30:42.020 paying three installments of $28 and somebody is paying this and you're done. It's all, all of the

00:30:48.640 costs are hidden from both the providers and from the customers. So you're not really making decisions

00:30:53.460 based on any sort of market incentives. It's wide, full of corruption, full of abuse, full of

00:31:01.460 inefficiency and fat. That's all true. Kamala Harris's idea is worse. Government healthcare is worse. 0.99

00:31:07.380 It's true. Our current system has a lot of bureaucratic paperwork. Do we really think that a

00:31:11.600 government takeover of healthcare is going to result in less paperwork? Have you been to the DMV? Have

00:31:19.300 you been to, oh, the social security office? That's sort of the crown jewel of government

00:31:25.600 paperwork. When has the government ever reduced paperwork? You know, at least when I get some

00:31:31.240 weird bill or something from my insurance provider, I can call up my insurance provider. I can call up

00:31:36.060 the medical office that I go to. Now there are a lot of little boutique medical offices. Now there are

00:31:41.040 certain things where you pay a little bit of money and then you get to this and that. Okay. And you

00:31:45.260 get to at least tailor it more toward your tastes. While still we have a very robust social safety net

00:31:52.160 that takes care of everybody. We have a very generous Medicaid system to take care of the poor.

00:31:57.380 We have a very generous Medicare system to take care of the elderly. We have emergency rooms for

00:32:03.100 people who aren't even US citizens. We just give them medical care. We have a basically wonderful

00:32:08.340 healthcare system with a lot of inefficiencies that you could fix or make a little bit better

00:32:13.680 gradually, mind you, not all at once, not ripping it to the ground like this lunatic reformer Kamala

00:32:21.140 Harris, but gradually instituting reforms that would make costs clearer, that would free up some of these

00:32:27.880 markets, that would allow for a little bit more competition in certain places, that would lift some

00:32:32.100 regulations that would include tort reform so that you don't have crazy malpractice laws where doctors

00:32:39.980 are afraid to do anything, ordering a zillion tests. There are a lot of reforms that you could make

00:32:44.840 gradually to make the system even better than it is. Or you could take the Kamala Harris, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,

00:32:51.860 Democrat Medicare for All approach, which is to bulldoze the greatest healthcare system ever on which the

00:32:57.620 entire world relies, and then just cross your fingers and hope that a system that has consistently

00:33:03.440 failed will work here just because. Those are your options. Those are your two options. We'll see which

00:33:10.060 one they do. There's an important observation here. I guess it plays on the radical reform ideas of Kamala

00:33:18.280 Harris. It was first made by George Canning. The observation is that all simple forms of government

00:33:23.480 are bad. That's it. In our society, which is increasingly egalitarian, increasingly democratic,

00:33:30.760 increasingly simple, increasingly leveling, all we want is just simple, simple, simple. It's just this.

00:33:38.460 Is healthcare a right or a privilege? We're just going to fill out one form. We're just going to do

00:33:41.800 one thing. One size fits all for everybody. All 50 states. It's all simple. That's always bad. That's

00:33:47.580 what the French Revolution was. It was really simple. Really, really simple, wasn't it? Oh, we're all

00:33:52.580 going to just have quadrants of a country and no neighborhoods, no states, no natural boundaries,

00:33:58.640 no ties of kinship or family, no private relationships between insurance contractors and

00:34:04.340 medical doctors, no personal relationships between you and your doctor. Nope, no more of that, guys.

00:34:09.260 It's just going to be simple, and it always fails. It always leads to misery because life isn't simple.

00:34:16.020 You say, well, it's going to be really clear. All shallows are clear. Shallow systems are clear.

00:34:22.580 They're clearly wrong. They're clearly bad. They're clearly ineffective.

00:34:28.760 All shallows are clear. Nobody benefits because life is not simple. Life is not clear. Life is

00:34:38.560 complex. It is rich. It is diverse. It is beautiful. It is terrible. It is awesome. It is awful. It is all

00:34:45.740 of these things. Are relationships to one another? I have a relationship. Do I have a relationship to the

00:34:51.980 federal government and that's it? Is it like during the Obama 2012 campaign, the life of Julia, where it

00:34:58.400 tracked this American woman, Julia, from cradle to grave, and the only meaningful relationship that 0.99

00:35:04.560 she had in that entire process was with the federal government? Is that what life is? No, that's a

00:35:11.460 horror. That's a nightmare of what life is. What are the relationships that we, I have a relationship to

00:35:17.380 my producers? I have a relationship to my leftist here's Tumblr. It's kind of a romantic relationship,

00:35:22.000 frankly, and it gets a little inappropriate sometimes, but it's complicated. And I think

00:35:26.060 the Tumblr would say the same thing. I just love it so much. I have a relationship to my employers. I

00:35:32.200 have a relationship to my friends. I have a relationship to my wife, my family, my extended

00:35:36.560 family, my mayor, my congressman, my senator. I have finally the federal government. I have a

00:35:42.940 relationship to my church. I have all of these relationships. That's what's rich. That's not

00:35:48.480 simple. That's very complicated. I can't write it out in a little pamphlet. I can't make it some

00:35:52.800 doctrinaire ideology. I can't put it into a manifesto, but that's life. And when you can put something into

00:35:58.580 a little ideology, a little manifesto, a little Kamala Harris quote, Medicare for all. Or can people

00:36:05.540 choose? No, they can't choose anything. Simple. That's how you know that something has gone horribly

00:36:11.880 wrong. So for 2020, what this means is Democrats are going all in on socialism. This is why Schultz

00:36:17.720 can't run in the Democrat primary, even though he is a Democrat. He's a lifelong Democrat. He just would

00:36:23.320 never get elected. He is not a socialist. He actually came out and said it, that Kamala Harris's

00:36:29.900 Medicare for all idea is un-American. And it is. It's un-American and anti-American.

00:36:33.960 Um, but Kamala Harris is the future of the Democrat party. Maybe she's not. She might 0.99

00:36:39.300 get wiped out in the primaries, but her ideas are, her approach is, she's a weathervane. She's a 0.97

00:36:44.680 calculating politician. When she sees that things are moving in the Bernie direction, they're not

00:36:49.960 moving in the Bill Clinton direction. She's going to go that way. And you're going to see that everybody

00:36:54.040 is going to follow her. It's, it's a total extremism. And you see the extremism, not just on the fiscal

00:36:59.420 front or, or on things that emanated from that, not just on healthcare. You see it on social issues

00:37:06.640 as well. You see it on life. You see it in New York. We talked about that crazy abortion law in

00:37:11.480 New York. Uh, Andrew Cuomo, the governor there, uh, signed this law a week or two ago, which now

00:37:19.160 makes it legal to kill an unborn baby up to one minute before it's born. If the baby is due to be

00:37:26.440 born at 1203, at 1202, you can go in and rip that baby apart. That's perfectly legal now in New York.

00:37:34.620 Actually, it goes even further. That law reforms the penal code. So it, it now in the old days in New

00:37:40.900 York, if a, if a murderer goes up and kills a pregnant woman, a woman who's more than 24 weeks

00:37:46.880 pregnant, that guy would be charged with double homicide. Naturally so. I mean, this was always an 0.99

00:37:53.780 issue that pro-lifers would bring up. We'd say, wait a second. So if a murderer goes and kills an

00:37:59.400 unborn baby, that's murder. But if a mother kills an unborn baby, that's a choice. And that's not 0.99

00:38:04.180 murder at all. That doesn't make a lot of sense. Unfortunately, we were hoping that they would

00:38:08.380 resolve that contradiction in the favor of life. Unfortunately, Andrew Cuomo and the Democrats

00:38:14.000 are resolving it in the favor of death. They've now removed a protection for an unborn baby.

00:38:18.660 Now, one minute before birth, you can kill that baby. A murderer can kill that baby. Won't be, 1.00

00:38:24.160 won't be charged with killing it. Obviously, Andrew Cuomo is nominally a Catholic. Sometimes he 0.67

00:38:31.560 pretends to be a Catholic. And so this has raised some questions. Should the Catholic church excommunicate

00:38:38.300 Andrew Cuomo? He is now enabled babies to be killed one minute before they're born. This would seem 0.97

00:38:46.580 worthy of excommunication. Here are some, here's a bishop, Bishop of Albany, discussing it on Fox and

00:38:53.000 Friends. Bishop of Albany, the most reverend Edward Scharfenberger joins us now. Reverend, so first of

00:39:00.500 let's get your reaction to this new bill. Well, as you just said very well, it was a celebration

00:39:07.080 of abortion, which to me is a celebration of death. It's a dehumanization of a whole class of human

00:39:15.220 beings in our society. The child in the womb, who clearly is a human subject from the moment of

00:39:23.160 conception. All the science proves that. So even though it has been advertised as a bill that brings

00:39:31.400 more equality to women, it excludes a certain class of women. The unborn, half of all abortions

00:39:37.360 are females. So I do not see it's something that I would celebrate. As a matter of fact, it extends, 1.00

00:39:45.140 actually, it takes away protections that previously we had. So Bishop Scharfenberger, being very diplomatic

00:39:51.540 here, said, well, you know, it allows you to slaughter babies wholesale. So it's not something that I would

00:39:57.760 celebrate. That's a very measured way to put it. But he's right. He's right on that point. And he was

00:40:03.540 asked if Andrew Cuomo should be excommunicated. And he says, well, basically, he says that he's

00:40:10.080 excommunicated himself, that Cuomo probably is not in a place where he can receive the communion.

00:40:15.280 Just for those of you who don't know, those who aren't Catholic, or frankly, those who are Catholic

00:40:18.980 and don't know, to be excommunicated means that you are not in communion with the church. And very

00:40:24.120 practically, it means you can't receive the communion. You can't receive the Eucharist, the host,

00:40:28.480 because you are not in communion. So he, if you've got mortal sins on your soul that you haven't

00:40:36.340 confessed, you are not supposed to take the Eucharist. You are not in communion. What the

00:40:41.760 bishop is saying is Cuomo probably is in that place right now. Unfortunately, the cardinal in New York,

00:40:48.820 Cardinal Dolan, is refusing to excommunicate Andrew Cuomo. There are other bishops here, Bishop

00:40:53.940 Richard Stika of Knoxville, Tennessee, and Bishop Joseph Strickland of Tyler, Texas, called for Andrew

00:41:01.240 Cuomo to be excommunicated. But Cardinal Dolan, a very powerful cardinal, and the cardinal of New York,

00:41:07.620 doesn't want to. He says it's not appropriate by canon law. He says that excommunication shouldn't be

00:41:13.320 used as a weapon out of anger and frustration, and that it would be used as ammo by abortion activists.

00:41:18.840 That doesn't really hold water to me. I mean, I defer to greater experts on canon law, but we're not

00:41:27.260 using excommunication as a weapon. I mean, in a sense, it is a weapon. It is recourse by the church

00:41:33.960 to correct its flock who are erring gravely. And what is a more grave error than allowing countless

00:41:42.500 babies to be slaughtered a minute before they're born? If that's not a grave error, what is? If that's

00:41:48.300 not worthy of the weapon, so-called, of excommunication, then what is? It's not out of

00:41:52.600 anger and frustration. It's out of care for these babies that are about to be slaughtered.

00:41:57.340 And then to say it would be used as ammo by pro-abortion activists, who cares? Who cares what

00:42:02.680 they think? I don't answer to them. Who takes them seriously? It would be used as ammo. They've got

00:42:08.240 plenty of ammo. They use ammo all the time. They're constantly attacking conservatives, Catholics, 1.00

00:42:14.640 Christians broadly. Who cares? Why would you cater to them and say, well, I don't want to give them 1.00

00:42:22.700 an excuse to not like the church? They don't like you. They don't like you anyway. You can't make

00:42:27.400 them like you. You can't suck up to them a little bit and then they'll like you. It's just not going 0.99

00:42:31.100 to happen. I understand the real prudential questions of this. The Catholic church, the church

00:42:39.040 has always had some relationship to the state and Cardinal Dolan is the cardinal in the state

00:42:44.720 that Governor Cuomo is the governor of. This would be a massive deal if the Cardinal of New York were

00:42:50.660 to excommunicate the governor of New York. It would require an immense amount of courage. It might result

00:42:55.720 in some serious retribution against the church in New York. Yeah, that's all possible. But if you're

00:43:01.860 not going to muster up some courage on this issue, on the issue of the wholesale slaughter of babies a

00:43:07.920 minute before they're born, then what's the point? What's the point of having that authority? What

00:43:13.000 are you doing? If you're not going to use it now, then why do you have it in the first place?

00:43:18.960 Why do you have that authority? And what is the purpose of that authority? And why,

00:43:22.180 if you don't correct this action, what will you correct? There is a good side of the abortion 0.98

00:43:28.420 debate though, which is on the political front, the Democrats are going insane. They've been so

00:43:32.660 triggered by the culture. But on this show, Shameless, which is a show with Bill Macy on Showtime,

00:43:37.800 I think. It's a really good show. He's there and he's, it's a scene between him and Katie Seagal,

00:43:44.860 who played Peg Bundy on Married with Children. And it's a scene dealing with abortion. And it

00:43:49.460 actually deals with abortion in a very honest way.

00:43:52.880 Well, with my superior genetics, why would you try?

00:43:56.160 Oh. Hold on a second.

00:43:59.580 What? What's going on? Oops. Oops. What? What's oops?

00:44:03.620 Well, it looks like six of them have hunkered down in there.

00:44:06.540 Six of them? Oh, my.

00:44:07.820 What? Babies? 0.99

00:44:09.420 Embryos. I don't usually place all the fertilized embryos in at once, but at your advanced age,

00:44:14.260 most women's uteruses aren't as accommodating. We're going to have to terminate a few of them. 1.00

00:44:20.920 Five? What?

00:44:22.640 It's a safety issue. Carrying six embryos to term poses a major health risk to the mother. 1.00

00:44:28.360 What kind of health risk?

00:44:30.580 Months of bed rest, possible death.

00:44:33.440 You know what? Let's just, let's just keep one. It's the safest route, I think. Right, Doc?

00:44:40.700 What, and kill five of my babies? 1.00

00:44:43.260 Now, embryos. 1.00

00:44:44.820 Engie. We want as many little Frankies and Engies running around as possible. That's obvious. 1.00

00:44:51.340 But do you really think we can afford more than one?

00:44:53.980 Not on my income, but you'll get a job.

00:44:59.440 We'll keep five.

00:45:00.940 You can safely keep three.

00:45:06.760 Okay, then.

00:45:08.180 Four.

00:45:08.520 That's an amazing scene. That's a really powerful scene. You've got the doctor. You've got the woman who's clearly right here. She's got the babies inside of her. She has motherly affection. She's done IVF. She's got six babies in there. She says, I'm not going to kill my babies. And the doctor says, no, no, no, no, embryos.

00:45:26.540 You realize, well, what distinction is that? They're babies. Then you've got this awful character of Bill Macy, played by Bill Macy, and he says, let's kill five of them. And it's really dark humor, because it's happening, unfortunately. But it's dark humor that is making a really true point. And then she says, well, no, you've got to kill three of them.

00:45:44.900 And then Katie Sedol is haggling, because she wants to keep her babies. It's normal to want to keep your babies. It's good to want to keep your babies. It's haggling over it. Really, this reminds me of a Louis C.K. bit. Louis C.K. did a bit in his act before he had his career destroyed, where he did this line. He said, listen, abortion, look, it's just like going to the bathroom, okay? Right? It's just, you know, look, it's going to the bathroom. You go, you do it. It's a physical act. That's all it is. 0.99

00:46:12.680 Or it's killing a baby. Right? And it was this amazing turn. He got into some trouble for it on the left, because that's what it is. It's either you can haggle over your babies and kill them and pretend they're not babies. It's just going to the bathroom. It's just a typical procedure. Or it's a baby. It's a human life. And I think we know which one it is. That's our show today. Come back tomorrow. We've got a lot more to get to. Get your mailbag questions in for Thursday. In the meantime, I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show. I'll see you tomorrow.

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The Michael Knowles Show - January 29, 2019

Ep. 288 - You’re Not “Fiscally Conservative, Socially Liberal”

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