Ep. 29 - Love In The Time Of MAGA ft. Roaming Millennial
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Roaming Millennial joins Betsy and Amanda to talk love in the age of Trump, then, Ariel Davidson and Amanda Prestigiacomo join the panel of deplorables to discuss revived Obamacare repeal, North Korea's rocket man burning his fuse out there alone, and why teenagers aren t having sex, drugs, and rock and roll anymore.
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Roaming Millennial joins in-studio to talk love in the age of Trump.
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Then, Ariel Davidson and Amanda Prestigiacomo join the panel of deplorables to discuss revived Obamacare repeal,
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North Korea's rocket man burning his fuse out there alone,
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and why teenagers aren't having sex, drugs, and rock and roll anymore.
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Now, before we begin here, I would just like to address something once and for all.
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People have been insinuating that the only reason that I do this show
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is so that I can bring on beautiful women and talk to them every single day.
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And obviously, nothing could be further from the truth.
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Before we begin roaming, could I get you a glass of Malbec?
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And, fellas, seems a little bright in here to do an interview, so...
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Yeah, that's a lot better. That is much better.
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That is such a coincidence. I also have an astrological sign.
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So, um, what, uh, what is your favorite color, M&M?
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Why don't we both say our favorite colors on the count of three?
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It's just like something's happening here or something like that.
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This is... Roaming's been with us from the beginning.
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One of the first people on the panel of Deplorables.
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I think I might have been not on your first show, but one of them.
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Second or third. And we, you know, you bring up my fiancé, obviously.
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That's true. I'm getting married to sweet little Lisa next year.
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The rapture is coming on Monday, according to Christian numerologists.
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So, if we're going to start the doomsday right-wing apocalyptic polygamous cult,
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Speaking of sometime polygamous organizations, you went to BYU.
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That's right. I am not Mormon, but I went to pretty much the biggest Mormon university.
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But you're not Mormon. So, I'm curious about your religious views.
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And I'm also curious about why you chose BYU, why you chose a Mormon school.
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I chose BYU because I studied Middle East Studies in Arabic as my minor.
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And BYU actually has an amazing language program.
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It's a good school academically, but it is a Mormon school.
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And not being Mormon, there were definitely challenges.
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They all super want you to convert to Mormonism.
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You have to take Mormon religion classes while you're there,
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So, I pretty much have, in essence, a minor in Mormonism.
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But, you know, if you go to a UK public school, you have to take Islam classes.
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And, just socially, there were things that, you know, Mormons are, I have a lot of Mormon friends.
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But, there are some things that's like, yeah, they are a little different, especially the ones in Utah.
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Do you find, because I haven't seen you talking about religion a lot, but we like to talk about religion in the show.
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Do you, first of all, what is your religious view?
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Um, I don't, it's actually funny, I don't really talk about religion on my channel, uh, just because I have a pretty wide variety of watchers.
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A lot of the people who listen to me are actually, you know, very liberal or maybe more libertarian than I am.
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Um, so, religion isn't something that's come up, but I think more and more I'm starting to see how, I guess, my religious views kind of, I mean, they're not determining for my political views,
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but they definitely kind of go together, they influence one another and things like that.
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Let's break the news here, you don't talk about it on your channel, we need, we gotta get some views.
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Yeah, well, I mean, I definitely, uh, believe in God and I think the idea behind Christianity, uh, a lot of people who aren't Christians or aren't very familiar, uh, with Christianity and how it's practiced isn't the idea that you be a Christian, it's all about being perfect, but it's the idea that there is forgiveness for sin.
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And I think, you know, the idea behind sin and just knowing who I am as a person and, you know, all my own flaws, that's kind of what made me attracted to Christianity in the first place.
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Because if you look at all of the world religions, you know, they all try to offer, I guess, you know, a form of self-help or self-improvement.
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But Christianity is really the only one that says, yeah, you're never going to be perfect, but here's what you can do about it.
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So, you said it goes hand in hand with your politics.
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One, how does your religion influence your politics and maybe vice versa?
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And also, do conservatives have to be Christian or Jewish or religious?
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Is there room for atheists in the conservative movement?
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Well, for me, it's funny because I grew up in a kind of Easter Christmas Catholic household.
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Um, gotta love those two holidays and, and only those, but, um.
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Christmas Eve is good too because you get all the fish.
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Um, but yeah, when I, when I was younger, I mean, I've always, I've never been liberal.
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I've always been pretty conservative just of how my parents brought me up.
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So, you know, it's not like if I were to be an atheist, I'd be this pink haired, overweight feminist.
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I mean, it's not there, but, um, I think since I kind of started exploring Christianity more
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from a philosophical and theological standpoint, uh, I've come to see more that there are two realms
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and I, you know, I'm libertarian in my form, in my view of government, but I think very much
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so that just because we are permitted to do something by government, that doesn't mean
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And so I think that's why, uh, religion and having these moral questions are so important.
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And I think from a moral standpoint, what I think of as right and wrong politically, and
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even in my own life, that's where I guess my faith really plays into it.
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And do you think that's where the millennial generation and the younger generation are this
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kind of libertarian relation to Christianity or, or is it something different?
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Are they really atheists or are they just reaching for something that they weren't raised
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And I think that's why libertarianism more so than conservatism is being popular.
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Because if you look at libertarianism, I mean, pretty much all or a lot of conservatives
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But the, I guess what I see is the big difference with them and libertarians, like the, I guess,
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small government conservatives is the fact that small government conservatives still
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will be very much against things like drug use, you know, and libertarians.
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Well, not personally, just for the, for the law.
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I'm sure they're all, you know, buckling used to smoke pot on his yacht, according to
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But yeah, and I think that's one of the biggest differences.
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And I think when we're looking at this younger generation who is more conservative leaning
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than any since, what is it, the sixties or something like that.
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They see the dangers of large government, but I think where we need to do better as
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conservatives is teaching them that, yeah, government should be out of our lives, but
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And here's why, here's why this is not morally good for us to do, even if no government is
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So do you think, I mean, you would call yourself sometimes a libertarian, sometimes a conservative.
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I would never just say, even when I talk about libertarianism, I say like, oh, I lean libertarian
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because when I think libertarian, I just think, you know, Gary Johnson and lizard people,
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Wait, you're obviously, you're talking about the theorem of the reptilians.
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Do you know you're questioning that settled science?
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Well, maybe we'll get to that later with the panel.
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But there does seem to me sometimes the libertarianism is a cop out a little bit.
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And I think it's why college kids lean that way is because you can say, look, man, yeah,
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Do you think that libertarianism is a step on the road to being more of a mainstream conservative
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I think it can be a step on the road toward mainstream conservatism.
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As long as we, you know, if you have that foundation where you don't have, or at least the state
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doesn't have the right to interfere with your lies, you know, there's no good to be had
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That is on a step, I mean, a step on the road to conservatism.
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But I think the extra thing that needs to happen is that you have to be asking yourselves
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these moral questions like, all right, well, if the state isn't there to tell us what to
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do, does that mean we just do whatever, live this crazy and cap life?
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Or are, you know, are we still operating on the assumption that there are things that
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Small government only really works under, I guess, the guide of these, I guess, religions
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and faiths that kind of keep us in check because the government isn't there to do that.
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It does remind me that the libertinism of PGR Works essay, where the title of the essay
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is, I think, I might be misquoting it, How to Drive Fast on Drugs While Getting Your
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And that does kind of embody that libertarian mindset.
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I think the only reason I would oppose legalizing marijuana is because of all the people who
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I mean, there was a bit where I was getting my immigration together where I was going
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And every time I went, there was this guy trying to get us to sign petitions to legalize marijuana.
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And B, is this really something you want to center your entire life around?
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Now, so libertarianism might be on the road to conservatism.
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There is this thing that is not on the road of any of those things.
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I've interviewed other alt-righty type people on the show.
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I mean, if you ask Hillary Clinton, there's 66 million of these people.
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Anyone who's not Bernie Sanders or to the right of Sanders.
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If you're to the right of Sanders, you're on the alt-right.
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But in reality, how many of these people are there?
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They're a group that is extremely vocal on the internet.
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They do make up a very, very tiny portion of the population.
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They're not this major political movement that the left tries to make them out to be.
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But at the same time, I kind of get what you're saying, right?
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We don't want to build them up or give them more attention than is due.
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But with the way the alt-right term is being thrown around, I do think it is important for
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conservatives or anyone who's not alt-right but being labeled alt-right to say, hey, by the way,
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Like, this is what these guys think, and this is why we don't agree with them.
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I'm amazed that the left, I mean, this is what they do, right?
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They say there are three racists in the country, and so we're going to paint the whole Republican
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But with the alt-right, at least those guys are honest.
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It means an alternative to conservatism, an alternative version of things.
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I'm not alt-right for the same reason I'm not a feminist or Black Lives Matter advocate,
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Because they're emotional arguments based on identitarianism.
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And I have a lot more things to be proud of and committed to than the color of my skin,
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I don't feel that I've accomplished very much for that.
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You also have this other issue with the alt-right, which is that you are not all white.
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Yes, that I am complicit in the white genocide.
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I mean, and I feel bad for, you know, they're clearly upset about this, but, you know, here
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I am planning to, I guess, have all these mixed-race children.
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So I guess it's, it's really, you know what I think though?
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I think we need to amend, they have this slogan, which is the, the 14 words, we must secure
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the existence of our people and a future for white children.
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We just add a hyphen in there and say white Asian children.
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And you get a, you get a ton of flack from these guys on YouTube.
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You only started doing this a year and a half ago and now you're like the biggest thing
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on YouTube, you are, you, but you grew so fast.
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That's, that's something that I've asked myself a bunch, right?
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Because, you know, I kind of watch my videos and these are, these are kind of niche subjects,
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I mean, things that I think are interesting, but you know, I feel free to actually drink
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I'm really, I'm taking the gag as a license to drink during the show.
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I think part of it is that, you know, people are looking right now for someone who isn't,
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isn't afraid to be called all these names and just express themselves.
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So that's why when you see anyone who's not afraid to do that, Ben Shapiro is a great
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And then hopefully they're, they look at my channel and see someone who, who I really do
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And I, you know, I see myself as sort of an activist for, you know, conservative small
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Um, you know, I'm sure a lot of people will say I'm only popular because I am a girl.
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I'm not going to say that has nothing to do with it.
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I'm hoping that's not the only reason why people watch me.
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Are you saying that if I identify as a girl that I'll, I'll finally get as many views
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So on that point, they say it's just cause you're a girl and it is true.
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Pretty girls do very well on YouTube, particularly in the conservative movement.
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They do very well on Fox news and on television stations, but that's fine.
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It seems to me use any, any tool at your disposal to talk about true ideas.
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They don't understand conservative women because they, they think that conservative
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women are supposed to be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen and never leave and never utter
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When I think of conservative women, like, uh, Margaret Thatcher, Phyllis Schlafly, you,
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Just like growing millennial Margaret Thatcher, just equally same level, same amount of accomplishment.
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I haven't seen Margaret Thatcher put out a YouTube video probably ever.
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You're a, you're an outspoken, fierce defender of, of your ideas.
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I get people on the left attacking me for that reason all the time.
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Oh, if you're so for family values, why, why are you not, you know, pumping out children
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I think, I think I have enough time to do, to do both, but-
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Well, Monday is actually the apocalypse, so we better hurry up on it.
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Um, so yeah, but I think the reason why there are a lot of these conservative women who are
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so outspoken is that I think, you know, in terms of gender roles, I think conservatives
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in general embrace the idea that, you know, men and women are different in some ways, uh,
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And so I, as someone who is a woman and conservative, I feel like I kind of care about these issues
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And so I, you know, I'm, I can't speak for any other conservative female commentator, but
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I, I do kind of see it as a, I don't know, not a way of mothering everybody and trying
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But I feel like, you know, if you really do care and you care what kind of world your
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children are going to be brought up in, if you kind of, if you care about your community
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and your church, then these are things you'll want to speak up about it.
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And conservative women in general, I think embrace that.
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And, you know, just because you want to have a family and that you, you know, you're feminine
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doesn't mean you have to be like what the alt-right thinks of as a woman, you know, this
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hashtag trad life where you're actually are barefoot in the kitchen.
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The alt-right seems to be cartoonish, but they do.
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They talk about the trad life and they, they do appear to have cartoonish views of everything,
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But obviously we know as conservatives, I always think there are like three levels to
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There's the liberal level, which is completely wrong.
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And then, you know, that says, uh, uh, gender roles don't, they don't exist whatsoever.
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But if you're a man in a woman's body, then somehow, you know, even though they're the
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same, then there's the next order, which is the conservative view.
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These are the, like, ah, women, you know, and then there's the higher level.
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There's the highest level of conservatism, which is like, ah, women, you know, there's,
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it's, it's an appreciation and it's a playing around with rules that are meant to be broken
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and understanding that we live as real people with real living ideas.
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And I, the way I see gender roles is that, look, I'm a woman and I'm, even as I'm starting
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to get older, I'm starting to realize that my priorities in life are like where I see myself
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The apocalypse is, I don't know how I can convince you of this roaming.
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I'm sorry, I'll have to fly back to LA if it is happening.
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And by the way, in the death cult, we are going to make them wear the Handmaid's Tale
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So yeah, I noticed you were trying on other costumes at Steve Crowder's show last week.
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This isn't going to be like an Arabian princess style.
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And this is, this is changing the subject just slightly, but you did this great bit
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on Crowder's show and you sang and you were, you have a great voice and there, you know,
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So you go on the Crowder show, you go on my show, we'll go on an interclavian show, whatever.
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We are dominating the internet as conservatives.
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Conservatives are killing it on YouTube and Twitter.
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Is it, is it something that, is it just a new version of something that's always been
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around or is this a real moment of cultural lift for the right?
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I think right now what we're seeing is a backlash to the leftism that's been pushed
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And so I think, honestly, love Trump or hate Trump.
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I think he's kind of the embodiment of that, right?
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I don't think Trump won because he's this policy savant or because he's the people's savior.
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I think it's because people are really upset with the establishment right now and the way
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things are going, especially when we look at leftism and how this leftist globalist, I guess,
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And I think the popularity of like your show, Daily Wire in general, I think that's kind
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And what I'm hoping is that I'm not sure that everyone who is watching these conservative
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I'm hoping that, you know, they kind of watch it and take away what the core message of
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like constitutional conservatism is, Judeo-Christian values and stuff like that.
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But at the very least, because of this backlash, it's getting more attention to what I think
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I don't think everyone who's watching it right now, like I said, is a conservative themselves,
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but I'm hoping it's at least a step in the right direction, right?
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Step one is make people interested and watching your show, right?
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And why would someone who's not a conservative watch this show or watch your channel or watch
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It seems to me it's because they've never heard these ideas before.
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These ideas are shut out of their curricula in high school, in college.
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And so when a smart girl talks about it on YouTube, you'll watch it.
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And I think the fact that the left is always calling people like you and me Nazis, white supremacists,
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stuff like that, I mean, at the very least, people are going to be interested, right?
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Are they actually in league with Richard Spencer and, you know, all those Charles people?
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And at the very least, it makes them interested.
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And then I think when they watch our stuff and then see, oh, wait, that's not you.
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I think it I think it kind of triggers something in them like, oh, well, you know, if this wasn't
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true, what I've heard about conservatives without actually seeing them, like, what else have
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I been told that's based on these leftist stereotypes and not actually reflective of conservatives?
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And it's very hard to convince someone to read Russell Kirk or Edmund Burke or these kind
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But it's easy enough to get someone to watch a YouTube video.
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Before we cut to the panel of deplorables, we have to have the Roaming Millennial Lightning
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I want the first answer that comes to your mind.
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And this, I think, will give us a portrait of who Roaming Millennial is.
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Part of me is Day by Day Armageddon, a zombie novel.
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The other part of me is I really like Pride and Prejudice.
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I want to say something profound and intellectual-seeming, but honestly, Lord of the Rings, the second
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Um, oh, Richard Spencer, because I want to convince him of the beauties of race mixing.
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A noble and thing that I don't want to think about.
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Aquinas in terms of, I guess, nature of man type thing.
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Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent.
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If you've never read any Smith and no one has, keep that in mind.
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How many people on earth have ever read The Wealth of Nations?
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They've read about it, but how many people have actually read The Wealth of Nations?
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I feel like any, you know, like 100 level Western philosophy or intro to government class, you have to read.
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Well, at Yale, the only mandated classes are oppression and gender studies.
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So that would be, that's, I guess, that's going to be a mistake.
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Now that's going to replace the whole curricula.
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Weirdest thing a YouTube commenter has ever said or asked of you?
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Like, I'll be on a live stream and there will be a sizable amount of people asking me to show them my feet.
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That is, does this come out of your political discussions that you've been?
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Well, that is pretty, I never get those questions.
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I mean, it's, part of me is like, oh, well, it could be worse.
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The other part of me is kind of like, maybe it is that much worse.
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Maybe, maybe a really deep political question underneath.
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How much covfefe would a woodchuck cuck if a woodchuck could cuck covfefe?
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We have got to say goodbye to YouTube and Facebook.
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So it's just going to, it's just me, Ariel and Romy Millennial.
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We're going to have an intimate, close discussion about all of these great things that are going on.
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Donald Trump's incredible speech at the UN, among others.
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But if you want to watch it, you have got to go to DailyWire.com.
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We crush down, we melt them down to their core essence and we, and we build this tumbler.
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It holds your leftist tears, hot or cold, always salty and delicious.
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It is time to talk about the undead, a zombie back from life.
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And for that, we cut to our senior zombie correspondent, Bob Hope.
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When a person dies and is buried, it seems there are certain voodoo priests who have the
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It's worse than horrible because a zombie has no will of his own.
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You see them sometimes walking around blindly with dead eyes, following orders, not knowing
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It is like the opposite of Democrats because Obamacare repeal is back from the dead.
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Lindsey Graham, Lindsey Graham, who expected that, may be repealing Obamacare.
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The Graham-Cassidy bill may do it before the September 30th deadline because the Senate's
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parliamentarian informed the Budget Committee that the Senate only has until September 30th
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To discuss, we bring on our panelist, Ariel Davidson.
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I mean, I think this is the GOP's chance to really shine.
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They've been, for lack of a better word, deplorable in that category when it comes to repealing
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I think the whole Dreamer situation has been a tremendous distraction, for lack of a better
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I'd like to see a repeal of the employer and individual mandate.
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I think the imposition or imposing a per capita cap on Medicaid will be a tough sell.
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But I think there are a lot of parts of this bill that could be extremely successful.
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You know, National Review had a great article about this that came out at least a few days
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ago and talked about how this is a great win for federalism, and I couldn't agree more.
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Or is this the 4D chess that we've been hearing about?
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But the whole situation with the Dreamer and all the conversations that was, you know,
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with Nancy Pelosi apparently convinced him that Dreamers are amazing and that they should
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be welcome, and he was tweeting some very curious things about them that kind of smelled
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I'm not going to go so far as to say that this is a way of, I don't know, maybe the GOP
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trying to say like, oh, by the way, we are still in some ways conservative, like at least
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It would be great if they could do it with a simple majority.
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I don't know if people like John McCain are going to let him.
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You know, sometimes where things just go so bad that it kind of, from afar, looks all right.
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I think this might just be what the GOP has been doing lately.
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We were hearing for so long, Trump is going to do it.
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Then six months in, he wasn't able to repeal Obamacare because of people like John McCain.
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And he was, I mean, we react so quickly to Donald Trump.
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We react in such a huge way, such an outsized way.
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But I wonder, it took Barack Obama 18 months to pass the Affordable Care Act.
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It's much harder to repeal an entitlement than to pass one.
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So maybe we'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
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We were told a couple months ago that Obamacare repeal was completely dead.
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Now it looks like there's a chance that this thing will come back to life.
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Ariel, is this, should we give Donald Trump more time, more of the benefit of the doubt?
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I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt here.
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I think that one of the most successful things you can do in your first term as a president
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is to really pick two or three issues that you're going to focus on.
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It looks like he's not totally winning on that frontier right now, for lack of a better verb.
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But I think his ability to focus on health care now will be a crucial turning point,
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or at least an inflection point, in his presidency.
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And it will really show whether he can focus his agenda on that.
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Focus on that and focus on tax reform, because those are kind of going to go hand in hand,
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especially with looking at sort of what those on the left end of the spectrum are coming up with
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in order to fund their, like, Medicare for all plans.
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I don't know if you caught Bernie Sanders' idea of hiking taxes up to 52% to pay for his health care plan.
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Well, apparently, when it's breaking news, Bernie Sanders wants to raise taxes.
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Because of these brand new ideas like socialism.
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You know those brand new 200-year-old ideas like socialism?
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Yeah, like all the youths, like Bernie Sanders.
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I hope that Trump is able to get this done and really show that he can focus his agenda
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There's plenty of good points and plenty of good friends for him to fight battles on.
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I just hope that he chooses his battles wisely.
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So I hope he's able to focus himself on it and get it done.
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And he is using those best words in his first appearance at the United Nations.
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Donald Trump made it to the UN and he did not disappoint.
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the Iran deal was one of the worst and most one-sided transactions.
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major portions of the world are in conflict and some, in fact, are going to hell.
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In America, we do not seek to impose our way of life on anyone,
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but rather to let it shine as an example for everyone to watch.
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No one has shown more contempt for other nations and for the well-being of their own people
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It is responsible for the starvation deaths of millions of North Koreans
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and for the imprisonment, torture, killing, and oppression of countless more.
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We were all witness to the regime's deadly abuse
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when an innocent American college student, Otto Warmbier,
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was returned to America only to die a few days later.
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No nation on earth has an interest in seeing this band of criminals arm itself
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The United States has great strength and patience,
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but if it is forced to defend itself for its allies,
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we will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea.
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Rocket Man is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime.
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He was doing so well and then he was doing so much better.
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You know, obviously it had the Trump aspects to it.
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but he would totally destroy North Korea, the entire country.
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And he obviously called Kim Jong-un Rocket Man.
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But he also made some interesting points that do have signals for American policy changes.
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He said that America does not seek to impose its will on any nation,
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but rather will shine as a beacon for the rest of the world,
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which is hearkening back to a traditional idea of America,
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that we don't go gallivanting around the world,
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but rather the Statue of Liberty is looking out,
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casting its light on the rest of the world from America.
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Ariel, did he make the right call in using this kind of language?
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Was this the right message or was it bellicose and irresponsible?
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I think you have liberals shaking in their boots over it.
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It's sort of an interesting selected memory that those on the left seem to have.
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They're, you know, they're being hypercritical at this point,
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when in reality we've had everyone from Obama and Clinton,
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who have, President Clinton, who have threatened to destroy North Korea in some capacity.
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You know, it's starting to, it's not even starting to,
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it's just more evidence for me that it's not necessarily what Trump says.
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So I think you have to take a lot of their criticisms with a grain of salt
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and recognize that, you know, they're doing sort of ad hominem attacks on Trump.
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And, you know, I think he was right in line here.
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I think that it's his, we're no longer going to be sort of this nation that's somewhat of a pushover.
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We're not going to tolerate these threats coming from North Korea any longer.
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And that's sort of what you, if you want to be a, you know, you want to restore American hegemony,
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you need to think about restoring, you know, restoring our image on the global stage.
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He's trying to reassert ourselves as a superpower.
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But to restore that image, to restore that credibility,
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Roaming, is it to borrow a phrase from President Trump, all talk and no action?
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And is he willing to push toward regime change in North Korea
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or to forcing them to abandon their weapons program?
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I feel like every time I'm on the show, you're always asking me if we should,
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you know, in some capacity, use military action against North Korea.
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It's because you're our half Asian correspondent.
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So we obviously have to bring in the Far Eastern issues with you.
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And we're as bloodthirsty as any other show on the Internet.
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This North Korea is something I wasn't in support of the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan.
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One of the few things I disagree with Ben Shapiro about.
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But when it comes to North Korea, the thing is, we're not dealing with a rational actor.
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Right. There's no information asymmetries that we could correct where it's like,
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oh, you know, we're actually willing to do this.
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And, you know, therefore bluffing with these about these weapons of mass destruction is going to help you.
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Kim Jong-un and the North Korean regime in general has shown itself to be extremely aggressive to the United States,
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not very willing to compromise, enter negotiations on good faith.
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And so, you know, if there was ever a reason, I've said this before, if there was ever a reason for military action,
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And I see this as someone who doesn't want war, doesn't hope for war.
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But increasingly, I'm not seeing any alternative routes.
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And I think Trump is smart to be trying to put this pressure on China, because right now, I mean,
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North Korea is its own basket case economically, right?
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So the fact that we do still have places like China that are doing trade with them, I think, really is really artificially propping them up.
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And, you know, if they didn't have that extra trade financing, perhaps they wouldn't be able to, you know,
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spend this money on nuclear weapons development, which incidentally, I also believe, comes from China.
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Ariel, President Trump brought up this question of trade.
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He said the countries who trade with North Korea are unforgivable and they need to stop it.
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Was this a speech-threatening military action against North Korea, or was it threatening economic action and trade action against China?
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I think it was, you know, seeing economic isolation, which is something we see constantly or frequently with sanctions,
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as a way of, you know, let's go through the process of economically isolating this country in order to correct their behavior.
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This is one of those situations in which, you know, the North Korean economy is so fragile because it's completely state-run.
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And, you know, most of the, I don't know what percentage of the country, but a large fraction of the country is enslaved to the government.
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So it's very tough to say, sort of predict how the economy will do in North Korea in response to being economically isolated.
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But if that is the route we go, I see that sort of a method of, you know, let's try these other methods before we escalate the situation to military action.
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So I do think it was a good call on Trump's part, and I'm hopeful that this is sort of the nudge and the push that will get things done without having to escalate the situation further.
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Because, you know, as Roaming pointed out, you know, North Korea is an unpredictable, irrational actor, despite what Keith Ellison might tell you that, you know, he's a very, you know, that Kim Jong-un is a responsible leader.
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I don't know if you recall that video, that quote that Keith Ellison had where he said, you know, the leader of North Korea was being more responsible than Donald Trump.
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He did a much better job than Barack Obama or Bill Clinton, that is for sure, with Barack Obama's strategic patience policy.
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I think Dennis Rodman's dying his hair and playing basketball policy is at least as effective.
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But we need to talk about something much more important than a potential nuclear holocaust.
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And perhaps more dire, when it comes to sex, dating, and drinking, 18 is the new 15 for American teens.
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There's a study out that shows in 1991, the majority of teens in high school, 54%, were having sex.
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Another rather high percent were drinking, going out, doing drugs, had a job.
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Ariel, what does this say about these youths these days?
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I saw a good phrase being tossed around on Twitter, the extension of adolescence.
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So we just have children or teenagers not really engaging in teenager behavior until later on.
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You know, millennials being sort of, or the next generation after us being sort of the coddled generation.
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But this idea that parents are just coddling children more.
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I don't know what makes you think that we're a coddled generation, Ariel.
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I just have to take another sip of my mouth back while I do my job.
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I think there's this level of coddling that's taking place, which is actually stunting the maturation of teenagers in general.
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But I think there's also an economic argument to be made here that's maybe a little more covert.
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You're starting to see the minimum wage rising in major cities.
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San Francisco, they're planning on raising it to $15.
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When you do that, you actually cut out a large part of part-time workers.
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And so what a company will do is they'll lay off a ton of their low-skilled workers in order and just hire, you know, two or three medium-skilled, high-skilled workers to replace all those part-time workers.
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Or they'll automate, like McDonald's has done in cities around the country.
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So it doesn't surprise me that the teenage employment rate is so low.
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I think it has a lot to do with the job market in general and how we're starting to see, you know, automation is replacing these jobs because companies don't want to pay increasingly higher minimum wages.
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So I'm a huge proponent of, you know, avoiding this minimum wage craze across the country because I think what it ends up doing is hurting job prospects for younger kids.
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That is a real insight because we always hear that when you raise the minimum wage, that hurts low-skilled workers.
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That hits ethnic minority or disenfranchised people.
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Those are going to be the first workers to go because they just aren't worth $15 an hour.
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And the CBO actually put this out in their report, I think, in 2014.
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They talk, you know, this is one of their warnings is that companies will do this.
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They will fire low-wage workers and a bunch of them and replace them with just a few medium-skilled or higher-skilled workers.
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So we're starting to see the impact of that now with higher use unemployment.
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Romy, another theory on this that some social scientists are positing is that because teenagers are using their cell phones all the time, they're not going out to talk to their friends.
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They're going home and they're texting or they're posting photos.
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So they might appear to be more risque or more scandalous, but they're actually behaving in the manner that they're portraying at a much lower rate.
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Do you think the cell phone is what's killing the rebellious nature of teenagers?
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Well, I do think that because we have social media and television shows that are, I'm sorry, but edging closer and closer to actual softcore porn by the day, it seems like a lot of the mystery behind these behaviors, partying, drinking, sex, drugs.
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And so I would disagree with a lot of people that drinking later and having sex later means a delayed maturation.
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I don't think there's anything necessarily more mature about having sex when you're 15 rather than 18 or the same thing with drinking.
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And so, I mean, I personally see it as a good thing and I don't think it necessarily means you're staying a child for longer.
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It just means you're choosing not to engage in these behaviors, which, you know, honestly, when you're 15, 16, 17, 18, you don't need to be doing.
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And, you know, there is this kind of mystery behind it, like, oh, this is what all the adults are doing.
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And, you know, with social media, the Internet, I think more and more people are seeing like, it's not that exciting.
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If I'm not ready to do these things or if I don't want to do these things, there's nothing pushing me to do it.
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I can, you know, stay at home with my friends, you know, on, I don't know what the latest messaging app is for children.
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There's no reason why I need to be out late at night doing, I guess, mischievous things.
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I sometimes wonder when I have these all-female panels of deplorables, I don't really worry that a perspective is missing.
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But I bet on this issue, if we had a couple guys on here, they might take a slightly different point of view.
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But probably yours is the more correct and virtuous one.
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Ariel, you brought up this interesting point that this is just a process of delayed maturation.
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So it isn't just about teens going out late and drinking.
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So, I mean, this is what I would say is the same study also posited that there's a large fraction of high schoolers have never been on a first date.
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So I'm not even talking about, you know, sexual activity.
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I'm talking about kids actually forming relationships with other kids.
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And this could be a symptom of, you know, our texting culture, our social media culture, where you don't actually have to have a face-to-face conversation with someone.
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And so I think there's actually this strange sort of social ineptitude that's unfolding with the younger generation.
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You know, I say this as someone who has a younger sister who's a sophomore in high school.
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You know, I see it within that generation that a lot of their communication takes place over electronics as opposed to face-to-face.
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Let's carry this forward and look at the average marrying age, which seems to be increasingly hiking.
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It seems that people are putting off relationships in general.
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There seems to be less of a necessity for it, if we want to use the word necessity.
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So, yeah, you know, I'm not saying here I'm advocating that sexual activity is a sign of maturation.
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You heard it here. Ariel Davidson says that sexual activity is a sign of maturation.
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No, I just think that going on, you know, your first date, that is sort of, you know, a crucial or pinnacle moment of your high school career, perhaps, if it happens for you then.
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And to see that rate declining so rapidly makes me wonder, you know, the propensity of younger kids to actually form real relationships with their peers.
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So, I think it's a little bit alarming from that standpoint.
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I'm curious to see what the marriage rates look like in 10 to 15 years, what the average marrying age will be then.
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That point does make me a little skeptical today of people who get married very young at 20 or 22.
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That was common in the past, but in the past it was also common for 15-year-olds to work and 16-year-olds to have a job and to do things that adults do.
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But at this point, if adolescents and teenagers and young adults are having their maturity pushed back so much, then it seems crazy to say you're not old enough to have done anything that adults do, be financially secure, have a job, do all of the other things that adults like to do.
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But you are ready to make one of the most important decisions of your life.
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There are clearly side effects of this that raise difficult questions, you know, for an aging population, population that puts off having kids.
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And we don't have that much time, guys, because as I keep reminding you, the world is ending on Monday.
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That will be the rapture, so maybe we'll be able to fit it all in by then.
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But if not, we'll at least get two more shows in the meantime.
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And for that, it was just something really magical about that little line in the beginning.