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00:00:00.000 The special counsel investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election

00:00:05.460 has concluded. And Robert Mueller has fully exonerated President Trump and his entire

00:00:13.020 campaign of any collusion with the Russian government. But then, just when you thought

00:00:18.400 that things couldn't get any better, the Southern District of New York steps in,

00:00:22.660 not 10 minutes ago, to charge not President Trump, but Democrat celebrity lawyer Michael Avenatti

00:00:29.100 with bank and wire fraud. The leftist tiers have created a tsunami. Get your Tumblr ready

00:00:34.760 and hold your breath. I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:00:44.980 I'm getting ready to go live. I'm getting ready to do my show today. I think this is the best show

00:00:50.900 definitely since Kavanaugh. It's better than Kavanaugh. Best show since, I guess, the 2016

00:00:56.840 election. We didn't even have a show during the 2016 election, so this was already going to be

00:01:00.320 the best show ever. And then, just as I'm about to go live, I see breaking news. The Southern

00:01:05.500 District of New York charges dot, dot, dot. And I think, uh-oh. Because what they did, what the

00:01:10.880 Democrats did is, once the Mueller report came out, totally exonerates Trump, then they immediately

00:01:16.780 pivot. They say, well, the real action is in the Southern District of New York. The Southern District

00:01:22.480 of New York is going to investigate Trump. They're going to investigate his businesses. They're going

00:01:26.800 to investigate his taxes. They're going to, the Southern District of New York is going to take

00:01:31.040 down Trump. Now, maybe they're going to try to. Maybe in the, so I saw the breaking news. I said,

00:01:35.480 uh-oh. Southern District of New York indicts Michael Avenatti. How is this possible? How is this

00:01:47.340 reality? Did I, I don't want to say anything, I don't want to even imagine anything bad happened on

00:01:52.920 my plane trip last night, but did I, did my plane really land in LA or have I been transported to the

00:01:59.600 seventh heaven of political news cycles? I guess we'll have to analyze. This is, this is the greatest

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00:03:40.780 Here to analyze Robert Mueller's findings in the Russia collusion investigation,

00:03:45.740 we are privileged right now to be joined by 1970s musical legend, Billy Preston. Billy,

00:03:52.860 what did special counsel Mueller find?

00:03:55.740 Nothing from nothing leaves nothing. You gotta have something if you want to be with me.

00:04:14.780 Nothing from nothing leaves nothing. You gotta have something if you want to be with me.

00:04:28.360 Nothing from nothing from nothing. They found nothing, nothing at all. 675 days,

00:04:36.060 2,800 subpoenas, 500 witness interviews, 37 indictments, four prison sentences. And at the end

00:04:47.120 of it all, two years later, not one single American found to have committed any crime, any conspiracy,

00:04:56.780 any collusion with the Russian government to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.

00:05:03.580 Not what, not Donald Trump, not Donald Trump Jr., not Jared Kushner, not Paul Manafort, not Roger Stone,

00:05:13.700 not anybody associated with the Trump campaign. Not just that, not any American found to have colluded

00:05:21.720 with the Russians. No collusion. This is not shocking to anybody who was reasonable,

00:05:30.400 but there is a takeaway. Before we get to Attorney General Barr's letter describing the Mueller report,

00:05:35.720 we don't have the whole Mueller report yet. We'll never get the whole Mueller report because there

00:05:39.500 are actually laws preventing them from releasing the whole thing, but maybe we'll get some version

00:05:44.020 of it. Everybody seems to want transparency, especially President Trump, because he has been

00:05:48.900 exonerated. But the first takeaway here is people are describing the news as shocking. This is not

00:05:56.300 shocking news. For the last two years, every reasonable person has known that Donald Trump

00:06:03.680 is not a Russian spy. And yet they've built this narrative. Think about how crazy that is.

00:06:11.200 Donald Trump, the guy who was a tabloid icon, the guy who's a real estate developer, the guy who

00:06:18.660 was a casino mogul, you wear his ties, the Trump tie. He was a huge star of reality TV. Donald Trump,

00:06:27.200 an American original. A good number of people in this country managed to convince themselves

00:06:34.240 that that guy was secretly a Manchurian candidate, a Russian spy who had done everything in his life

00:06:43.600 just to lead to the moment when he would get elected president to turn the United States of

00:06:48.380 America into a puppet government for the Kremlin. A lot of people in this country convinced themselves

00:06:54.760 of that. Some people, I think, cynically were just pretending. You know, guys like Van Jones,

00:07:01.840 for instance. Van Jones, big left winger, big CNN host. He was caught on a hidden camera saying,

00:07:08.720 oh, that Russia thing, that's a nothing burger. Russia's a nothing burger. There were some people

00:07:13.300 who knew that, who said, obviously, Donald Trump wasn't a Russian spy, but they peddled it anyway

00:07:19.600 because they thought it would be politically useful, which turns out it wasn't. But a lot of people

00:07:24.300 got fooled. Some people, I think, in the media were honest, honestly wrong and corrupt. Some people

00:07:32.940 among Democrats honestly believe that. Ideology drives people mad. That's the only way to explain

00:07:40.560 it. How could you possibly have believed that? Because ideology drives people mad. But now we know

00:07:49.460 President Trump fully exonerated. Here, even Vox.com, even poor benighted Vox.com said this is a massive

00:08:01.400 political win for Donald Trump. What does Attorney General Barr say? So, so we find out late on

00:08:07.500 Friday, we find out that Mueller has filed his final report. At that time, we knew no new indictments.

00:08:13.740 So we say, okay, that's it. It's over. It's done. No new indictments. This is done. Nobody was found to

00:08:19.940 have colluded with the Russians. No American. But we didn't know what was in it. Then Attorney General

00:08:26.440 Barr, over the weekend, he reads the whole report and then he writes this letter to inform people

00:08:31.020 as just a matter of public interest of what's going on. This is what he writes. Quote,

00:08:35.140 the report further explains. These, those would just be highlights. Obviously, it's a four-page

00:08:39.820 letter. I'll just give you the highlights. The report further explains that a primary consideration

00:08:44.140 for the special counsel's investigation was whether any Americans, including the individuals associated

00:08:50.100 with the Trump campaign, joined the Russian conspiracies to influence the election, which would be a

00:08:56.800 federal crime. If they did that, that would be a federal crime. The special counsel's investigation

00:09:01.880 did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with

00:09:09.360 Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election. As the report states,

00:09:15.480 now he's quoting Robert Mueller here, quote, that investigation did not establish that members of the

00:09:22.040 Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference

00:09:26.880 activities. Now, it sounds a little repetitive, doesn't it? He put that in there because he is

00:09:32.000 quoting the, the report itself from Robert Mueller. It did not happen. And he goes on,

00:09:41.100 our determination was made without regard to, and is not based on, the constitutional considerations

00:09:50.060 that determine the indictment and criminal prosecution of a sitting president. So what

00:09:56.420 they've decided here is they are not going to indict anybody else. The special counsel is not indicting

00:10:02.100 anybody else. Now, I suppose the attorney general could, and they've decided they are not going to do

00:10:07.100 that. And they know that what's going to happen is they're going to say, this was political. This is

00:10:11.840 because constitutionally it's tricky to indict a president. Constitutionally there are some, he said,

00:10:16.900 it's not because of that. He's saying, we are not indicting the president. We're not indicting anybody

00:10:21.220 associated because there is no reason to. There's no evidence. There, there is, there, it was a Russian

00:10:29.440 interference effort. We do know that there was, it was a two-pronged effort. This also apparently from the

00:10:35.100 Mueller report. The internet research agency was an organization that spent some money on social media

00:10:43.100 to stir up discontent in American politics, spread some propaganda. Okay. The Russians have been doing

00:10:48.460 this for a long time. That's the media angle of this. Then the other aspect of Russian interference

00:10:55.000 is hacking the DNC, which the report says that they do. Okay. Two sides, the media angle and the

00:11:04.840 political angle, the government angle, and those two sides of Russian interference reflect the two

00:11:12.120 sides of the real scandal here. The two sides of the real scandal, which is that the DOJ under Barack

00:11:19.920 Obama colluded and conspired with Democrats to spy on the Trump campaign and to try to prevent him from

00:11:25.680 being president. And when that didn't work, to try to overturn the presidential election. That's the

00:11:29.640 political governmental side of the scandal. The media side is that they spread these lies and

00:11:34.780 smears and baseless propaganda for two years. It's amazing to see the Russian interference

00:11:43.060 mirror almost exactly how the Democrats and the media, but I repeat myself, reacted to the real

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00:13:20.280 Okay. Now, there are two questions that the special counsel is weighing in this letter.

00:13:29.780 You've got the question of did the Trump campaign collude with Russia? No. No way. Didn't happen.

00:13:36.680 Then there's the question of obstruction of justice. This is the process crime. This is where

00:13:41.800 they say, well, there was no crime, but he didn't answer investigators or he lied to investigators.

00:13:46.260 So that's where the Democrats thought they had him. Most smart Democrats, most reasonable Democrats

00:13:52.200 have known for a while this Russia thing isn't going to turn up any collusion. So what they were

00:13:57.300 hoping for is, okay, what we can do now is, there's no crime, but we're going to catch him in a lie.

00:14:04.960 We're going to make him perjure himself. We're going to make him give up some other crime that he did.

00:14:08.080 We're going to make him do that. So that's what they were trying to get him on.

00:14:10.500 So what happened with obstruction? The special counsel did not find obstruction. Now, technically,

00:14:18.480 the special counsel apparently didn't weigh in. The special counsel outlined arguments on both sides

00:14:23.280 of the difficult issues of law and fact, and then Attorney General Barr and Deputy Attorney General

00:14:31.060 Rod Rosenstein concluded that the Trump conduct does not rise to the level of obstruction. Rod Rosenstein,

00:14:38.920 remember, they're going to try to paint Barr as some political actor. He's not, he's got a sterling

00:14:42.840 reputation. He was admired by both sides of the aisle, but Rod Rosenstein has basically been

00:14:49.860 implicated by his old pals at the DOJ and the FBI of hating Donald Trump and trying to overturn the

00:14:57.160 election. Rod Rosenstein also concluded that whatever Donald Trump did does not rise to the level of

00:15:03.280 obstruction of justice. He says, quote, generally speaking, to obtain and sustain an obstruction

00:15:10.880 conviction, the government would need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a person acting with

00:15:15.660 corrupt intent engaged in obstructive conduct with a sufficient nexus to a pending or contemplated

00:15:23.100 proceeding. In cataloging the president's actions, many of which took place in public view,

00:15:28.920 the report identifies no actions that in our judgment constitute obstructive conduct, had a

00:15:36.260 nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding, and were done with corrupt intent, each of which under

00:15:41.740 the department's principles of federal prosecution guiding, guiding, charging decisions would need to

00:15:48.120 be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to establish an obstruction of justice offense. This is Attorney General

00:15:53.420 Barr saying, dear cynical Democrats, you're going to try to smear us and say this was just political.

00:16:00.120 Here is in perfect terms why we could not charge Donald Trump with obstruction. To say nothing of the

00:16:08.880 fact that there's no crime. There was no underlying crime. That's what the special counsel found in no

00:16:14.520 uncertain terms. So what would he be obstructing? What justice would he be obstructing?

00:16:19.320 A full exoneration. There's no, say it loud, say it proud. No conclusion. No, no conclusion. There is a

00:16:28.500 conclusion and the conclusion was no collusion. Consider this too. Consider how weird this is. Donald Trump,

00:16:36.160 braggadocious, hyperbolic Donald Trump, has had a better record of accuracy and disinterested statements

00:16:46.060 over the past two years than the entire mainstream media. Donald Trump's tweets have a better record

00:16:54.120 of journalistic integrity than the entire mainstream media. Consider this show. I'm a partisan. I have a

00:17:01.740 side. I have opinions. I first got any notoriety because I did a blank book called Reasons to Vote for

00:17:08.100 Democrats. I have a much better record of journalistic integrity of disinterested, accurate, just the facts

00:17:15.880 reporting than the entire mainstream media. That is extremely messed up. That is absurd. That should not

00:17:23.400 be the case. Donald Trump and I should not have a better record of disinterested, objective reporting

00:17:30.680 than the New York Times, the Washington Post, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN. We should, we should not. We, I am a

00:17:38.180 political actor. I have a position. I have a side that I'm advocating for. Donald Trump is the Republican

00:17:44.260 president of the United States. He's an, he's an activist. He's pushing something. He's pushing an

00:17:49.260 agenda. He's a much better journalist than anybody at those outlets. That is really messed up. You might be

00:17:55.120 really confused by the way. You might be confused as to how this is possible, how it's possible that

00:18:02.800 Donald Trump did not collude with the Russians. And you're confused because this is what you heard

00:18:06.920 for two years. There are indictments in this president's future. That's a bombshell. The bombshell.

00:18:13.140 This bombshell. Drop the bombshell. Bombshell accusation. Bombshell accusation. This is evidence of

00:18:19.440 willingness to commit collusion. This Buzzfeed news report is true. Then we are likely on our way

00:18:26.460 to possible impeachment proceedings. If this story is true, we must begin impeachment proceedings.

00:18:32.640 This is suborning perjury. I think there's no question it's an impeachable offense. And at that

00:18:37.600 point, we are in high crimes and misdemeanor and we are an impeachment. This president needs to be

00:18:43.380 impeached. Impeachment is the remedy. I mean, the president can't. It's the only remedy. The spirit of what

00:18:48.680 Trump did is clearly treasonous. This is moving into perjury, false statements, and even into

00:18:54.940 potentially treason. There's outright treason. I mean, there is no question. I think he's feeling

00:19:00.040 the noose around his neck. The noose is tightening. And I think they're shocked that the noose is

00:19:04.540 tightening. He feels the noose is tightening. The noose is tightening. The sound of hoofbeats of all

00:19:10.580 those investigations catching up with Donald Trump must be loud in his ears. He may be the first

00:19:16.460 president in quite some time to face the real prospect of jail time. People might go to jail.

00:19:21.760 You're exactly right. For the rest of their lives. I think they're all going to jail. Well,

00:19:25.320 I think they're all going to end up together in prison and maybe that's a good thing. Oh my God.

00:19:28.820 He has no idea that he's going down. I could play you hours and hours and hours more of that.

00:19:39.180 He's going down. He's going to jail. He's going down. Two years of that. 2,285 minutes of that

00:19:47.440 just on the networks. Obviously, Newsbusters, you got to love the Media Research Center,

00:19:53.680 they put together just on ABC, CBS, and CNN. Not CNN, not MSNBC, not any of those other stations,

00:20:01.380 just the networks. For the last two years, 2,285 minutes. They have had an average of three

00:20:08.720 minutes per night for 791 consecutive nights. An average of every 791 nights for at least three

00:20:19.720 minutes. By the way, Trump colluded with Russia. By the way, he's a criminal. By the way, he's going

00:20:23.380 to jail for that. And totally wrong, totally baseless. That's all in the midst of an average

00:20:30.020 of 92% negative coverage. And we only mentioned the evening networks here. This is just evening

00:20:36.480 news, by the way. This is not even morning shows. Evening news because evening news still has a

00:20:41.920 larger audience than the morning shows or than cable news. 24 million people combined in the audience.

00:20:47.660 Totally wrong, totally without any basis. You'll notice I'm on the one hand celebrating. I'm so

00:20:55.600 excited. And on the other hand, I'm furious. And that's, I think, how conservatives should feel

00:21:00.440 right now. Bill Kristol, you know, never Trump, anti-Trump conservative, conservative, quote unquote.

00:21:09.800 All he's done for the last two years is try to stop the most conservative administration in American

00:21:14.460 history. He came out, he said, why are the Trumpers so upset? Why are they so angry? First of all,

00:21:21.320 they're not. We're very happy. We're elated. I was sitting in middle seat coach yesterday on my

00:21:25.720 airplane. It was the best flight I've ever had because I was reading the reaction and tweeting

00:21:29.120 the whole time. It was so fun, so great. My Tumblr is running over. However, why are they angry? I'm a

00:21:34.840 little angry too. Because for two years, those guys, the media, aided by the Democrats, aided by

00:21:43.680 crooks in the FBI and the Department of Justice, tried to overturn a presidential election based on

00:21:48.660 nothing. And before they did that, they tried to prevent the guy from being president in the first

00:21:53.000 place. And before they did that, they spied on the guy illegally to try to fix the campaign. So yeah,

00:22:00.600 I'm a little angry. You should be angry too. We should celebrate and then we should be angry.

00:22:10.040 And we need to get to the bottom of this. We need to get to the bottom of how this happened. Don't

00:22:14.900 just leave it with how happy this is. Don't just leave it with, oh, we can celebrate. Good. It turns

00:22:22.300 out Trump's fine. No. Who launched this hoax in the first place? Who with the DOJ? Who came up with

00:22:28.900 the Steele dossier? Who pushed the Steele dossier? Who spread the Steele dossier to the whole

00:22:33.000 mainstream media? Who was behind that? Democrats and Republicans and so-called nonpartisan FBI and

00:22:41.280 DOJ officials. I want those people run up in front of a judge and I want them in orange jumpsuits.

00:22:47.920 And I want everyone who was, Michael Flynn, for instance. Michael Flynn apparently made some

00:22:53.960 misleading statements to investigators when they set a trap for him and tried to send him to prison.

00:22:58.180 I want that guy pardoned like this minute. Paul Manafort, who goes, look, Paul Manafort is a

00:23:04.200 sort of crooked, uh, lobbyist operative type. There were about 7 million other guys like him in

00:23:10.100 Washington, many of whom have done a lot worse things than he did. That guy's in prison right

00:23:14.400 now or he's going to prison because he worked for Donald Trump. That's the real crime he's going to

00:23:18.400 prison for. I want that guy totally pardoned too. And I want all the hoaxers who, who started this

00:23:23.220 mess in the first place. I want them in orange jumpsuits for a very long time. And then you're

00:23:28.240 going to see a lot of tears. You're already seeing, seeing a lot of leftist tears over the past two

00:23:32.040 nights. Here was, oh my gosh, this one was great. When my doppelganger on MSNBC, Rachel Maddow had to

00:23:38.120 break the news that the Mueller report found no collusion. There was a Twitter account. Carly Bone

00:23:44.600 was suspended for posting this clip. Here's the clip that she posted of her own TV onto Twitter.

00:23:51.620 To do that, Bill Barr stopped Mueller from doing. And, and that's, that's from Robert Mueller as

00:24:02.360 well. At this point, it's only Bill Barr who was speaking on Mueller's behalf. Robert Mueller is

00:24:09.380 still at this point publicly silent as he has been from the very beginning. Although we'll have more

00:24:14.960 on that in a moment. She's crying. So that account was suspended for that reason.

00:24:24.540 Rachel Maddow there is by the way, now denying that she was holding back tears. You can see it. You can

00:24:28.800 look. She's clearly emotionally choked up and her eyes are really shiny. So I don't know, maybe she put

00:24:33.560 in eye drops right beforehand or something, but it looks as though it's pretty clear she's holding back

00:24:37.560 tears. Why? Because these people were so personally invested in this. They were so invested. This was

00:24:44.840 their fantasy and you're watching it crash down around them like a doomsday cult. And the ones who

00:24:50.100 can't double down are crying. But like any doomsday cult, most people are just doubling down. You know,

00:24:57.500 the doomsday cult goes out into the desert. They're waiting. The world is going to end at midnight and

00:25:01.960 they're waiting there for the world to end. And then what happens at midnight? The world doesn't end.

00:25:05.920 So do they say, oh, I guess we were wrong. Better luck next time. No, they double down. They say,

00:25:11.760 ah, this is proof that we were right. We really, this is proof that we were right. Now it's going

00:25:17.640 to happen in two weeks. And that's what's happened. We're seeing denial now among the mainstream media.

00:25:22.600 Here's CNN. What we, what we're hearing from the president is that I'm 100% exonerated that

00:25:27.260 everything we did under the campaign was okay. And, and what I'm suggesting is that it's,

00:25:32.160 it may not have been. And the question is, uh, you know, down on very quickly, uh, impeachment,

00:25:36.640 are they going to do anything or are they going to look into Nancy Pelosi and say, forget about it?

00:25:40.840 We're not, we're not there yet. I think that the most important thing that we're going to look for

00:25:44.720 next is what Jerry Nadler just said, which is he's going to have Barr come up. They're going to grill

00:25:48.740 him on this, uh, maybe even Mueller. And then they're going to take the next step.

00:25:52.540 And that's, oh yes. Oh yes. Of course. That's, it doesn't, it doesn't really conclude. It doesn't,

00:25:59.320 well, you know, who knows? It doesn't exonerate him. Well, no, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. And then

00:26:03.980 some get even bolder than this. Some get even bolder than questioning impeachment. That's where

00:26:12.500 we have to turn to Chuck Todd. But first, before we get there, and then before we get to the total

00:26:17.100 cherry on top of the Sunday, which is that the Southern district of New York is indicting

00:26:22.000 Michael Avenatti, not Donald Trump, Michael Avenatti. Before we get to that, we've got

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00:27:21.500 So you've got a few different responses from the media. You've got

00:27:24.500 people like Rachel Maddow who are crying on television. At least those guys are honest.

00:27:30.940 At least Rachel Maddow is, well, there's no, no collusion. I mean, some, they looked so sad.

00:27:37.720 I think it was Katie Tour. It was so sad. They were all just, there's no, oh, there's no collusion.

00:27:45.080 Van Jones, actually, the one who in his secret candid statement said, yeah, the Russia thing is

00:27:51.500 a nothing burger. He said, Democrats just need to be sad about this for a while. They need to be sad

00:27:56.140 that our president's not a traitor, that the government has not been sold out as a puppet

00:27:59.840 state of Russia. They just need to be really sad. They were really hoping for it. And then they can

00:28:04.140 move on. He's right. They do need to move on. Some, there's another reaction. Some are even

00:28:09.760 bolder. Here is Chuck Todd with his new tinfoil hat conspiracy theory.

00:28:16.640 And look, I think Democrats very fairly will say, well, wait a minute. If this doesn't exonerate

00:28:22.360 them on the obstruction question, then if you haven't resolved obstruction, how do you resolve

00:28:26.780 collusion? Because if you didn't get cooperation and they obstructed in the investigation, could you

00:28:35.260 necessarily get to the bottom of the collusion question? But Kate, I'll be, I'll be honest with

00:28:40.000 you. I think that is a hard political argument to make for Democrats to push as hard as perhaps

00:28:46.640 some would like them to push.

00:28:48.400 As perhaps some would like them to push me, me, I want you to push. It's not just a hard political

00:28:54.520 argument. It's a hard argument, period. It's a hard legal argument. It's a hard historical argument.

00:29:02.020 It's a hard factual argument. Because what Chuck Todd is doing here, did you catch that? He said,

00:29:07.820 well, the special counsel concludes no collusion on the underlying crime. But the special counsel

00:29:16.120 doesn't reach any conclusion one way or the other on obstruction of justice. But if you can't reach a

00:29:24.140 conclusion on obstruction of justice, can you really reach a conclusion on collusion?

00:29:32.740 Yes, you can. The answer is yes. He wants, he's so hoping that he can just be clever and confusing

00:29:39.520 enough to overturn the special counsel's decision, the special counsel's findings. Yes, you can conclude,

00:29:48.620 even if there's an open-ended question on obstruction, you can conclude whether or not there was any

00:29:53.580 collusion. Two years, 2800 subpoenas, 500 interviews. By the way, President Trump did cooperate. He submitted

00:30:03.980 a ton of answers to a ton of questions by the special counsel. So that's just a flat-out lie. Yes, you can

00:30:09.240 conclude. We can conclude definitively, as does the special counsel, as does the attorney general, as has every

00:30:17.220 reasonable person for two years. Trump did not collude with Russia. You can conclude that and still leave

00:30:24.740 open the question of some obstruction, which isn't open anymore because both Rod Rosenstein and the

00:30:29.720 attorney general have said there is no way that they could possibly go after the president for

00:30:35.600 obstruction. Sorry, dude, it just didn't work. It's not just a political, no, sorry, it just didn't happen.

00:30:43.300 He goes on. It's not just, but he goes on. Here, here is the end of his conspiracy theory.

00:30:50.840 This, I imagine, is a good day for the president. He must be feeling relatively good right now.

00:30:56.580 He is, and he's probably feeling relatively good about his selection of Bill Barr as his attorney

00:31:00.560 general, because this memo and the initial understanding of what's in the Mueller report,

00:31:08.580 this will color what's in the Mueller report before any of us actually see it. And so the two big

00:31:15.060 determinations being, one, no evidence of any conspiracy with Russia and the Trump campaign.

00:31:23.060 But the second on obstruction, boy, I tell you, you know, Katie, it's very confusing in here.

00:31:29.640 The report did not make a decision on obstruction. It's the attorney general that's making a decision

00:31:35.220 on obstruction. We already know he had a very expansive view of executive power on this front.

00:31:41.540 So that isn't going to resolve the obstruction question as far as congressional Democrats are

00:31:47.660 concerned in general and probably many members of legal committee.

00:31:51.360 Did you hear that little, little line, that little jab at the beginning? Well, well, I'm sure that Donald

00:31:58.280 Trump is really happy with his selection of attorney general Barr. Yeah, I'm really, I bet he's really happy

00:32:04.700 about that. Right. The implication being that Barr is some crooked actor. He's some liar who is

00:32:11.560 misrepresenting what's in the Mueller report. Oh yes. He's really happy about Barr. No, I think he's

00:32:18.400 actually really happy about the appointment of Robert Mueller. Do you know why? Because Robert Mueller

00:32:22.980 found no evidence of collusion, you hack. That's why. Oh, he's really, because here's why he's really

00:32:29.240 happy about it because the Mueller report was filed and they didn't just release all of it to the,

00:32:34.840 to the public. Right. Because it's illegal to do that because you're not allowed to release

00:32:39.160 investigators, information and names about people who were investigated, but not indicted. That's

00:32:45.820 illegal. You can't do that. And it would be very terrible if you could do that for anybody just to

00:32:50.720 spread insinuations baselessly. So he can't do that. So he says, yeah. So you see, because they

00:32:57.100 couldn't release that whole report. So the first thing that anybody's hearing about this report

00:33:01.960 is from the attorney general. Yet, duh, who else would you hear it from? Who else could you possibly

00:33:09.240 hear it from? A leak? Yeah, I guess you could hear it from a leak. You could hear it from some

00:33:14.760 corrupt crone in the government, or you could make it up, Chuck Todd, like you've been doing for two years.

00:33:21.060 That's what you're upset about. Actually, the first thing we heard about, about this entire Russia

00:33:25.220 collusion thing was from you. And it was lies and lies and lies. So no, I don't think it's that Trump

00:33:30.560 is happy about the appointment of Barr. I think he's happy about the appointment of Mueller. Remember,

00:33:34.800 special counsel, Robert Mueller has made two public statements during the entire investigation.

00:33:40.520 What do you think those statements were? Were they to correct the president when he misrepresented

00:33:44.960 the investigation? No, it was to correct the media. It was to correct guys like Chuck Todd,

00:33:50.720 who were spreading lies based on nothing. And now the truth has come out, and Chuck Todd is really

00:33:55.540 upset about that. Now, some are admitting that the report is legitimate. So you see that there's

00:34:02.120 Rachel Maddow. There's the kind of first reaction, which is, yeah, the report's legitimate.

00:34:06.940 Man, that's awful. And then there's the second reaction, which is the report, no, no, it's not true.

00:34:12.780 There's nothing to see here. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. That's the Chuck Todd

00:34:17.140 reaction. And then there's this third reaction, which is kind of a combination. You saw this one

00:34:21.420 on MSNBC, which is that the report is legitimate. There, yeah, I guess there's no collusion, but it's

00:34:28.480 illegitimate because it's racist or something. Look, if I'm the Trump children and I'm having,

00:34:34.880 I'm having a party tonight, right? Like they won the white privilege of regatta. All right. Like you

00:34:39.540 cannot, you cannot invest, there is not an African-American person in this country that could

00:34:43.880 have been investigated for 22 months, had their family investigated for 22 months and come away

00:34:48.600 scot-free. If they did that to me, they'd pop me for sharing Netflix passwords with my wife. All

00:34:53.700 right. Like, so the fact that, and while I fundamentally agree that there are more avenues

00:35:02.560 of investigation against these people, there's going to be an SDNY investigation. There's the

00:35:06.660 inaugural committee. There are lots of other ways to get at the children. In this particular case,

00:35:11.320 these grown adult children who were part of what appears to be the collusion or the conspiracy

00:35:19.320 with Russia, the point people in that, these people have escaped scot-free with no indictments.

00:35:26.060 And there's going to be nothing in that Mueller report that is, sorry, it is unlikely there's going

00:35:31.820 to be anything in that Mueller report that's going to satisfy me in terms of why these people weren't

00:35:36.620 even brought in under oath for questioning. And there it is. And there is, there he is. You finally

00:35:42.740 get it at the very end. He says, there's nothing in the Mueller report that will satisfy me.

00:35:47.460 Because Robert Mueller, who we've all said for two years is this great guy and the Mueller report

00:35:51.260 is totally legitimate. He didn't reach the conclusion that I wanted. So there was nothing

00:35:55.420 that he could say that will satisfy me. And then what is his other conclusion? What's that guy's

00:36:00.280 named? Ellie Mistal or something? Straight out of central casting for MSNBC. This guy, Ellie Mistal,

00:36:07.040 he says, Robert Mueller is a racist, I guess. I guess that's their conclusion. Because this is what

00:36:14.120 they do. When the left has no argument, they just call you a racist. This is always the evidence.

00:36:19.380 When a leftist calls you a racist, you know you've won the argument. It's just, he's a racist.

00:36:25.780 Yeah, I can't account for my lies and smears and deceptions and propaganda over the last two years.

00:36:31.440 So he's a racist. Yeah, that one's gonna, that's the one I think. Uh-huh. Yeah, we're gonna stick

00:36:38.120 with he's a racist. That's the one. Here is, when they're not smearing, here's what they do. The last

00:36:43.740 thing that the left can do, you've got all the different, the sadness, the tears, the pay no

00:36:50.280 attention to the man behind the curtain, the yeah, I guess it's true, but it's racist. The last thing

00:36:55.380 that they can do, and this is really the most dishonest of all of them, is to gaslight, to say

00:37:01.900 it's not real. That's not what Mueller's saying. That's not no. No, no, no. La, la, la, la. Here's

00:37:10.340 Maxine Waters, also on Joy Reid's show. And you have Donald Trump supporters, including his former

00:37:16.140 UN ambassador, Nikki Haley, out there tweeting and saying, essentially presuming that the president

00:37:22.000 has been exonerated by the report. And in Nikki Haley's case, uh, saying that it's been completed

00:37:27.340 and everyone should just move on. It's, it's, it's a curious position to take since we don't know

00:37:32.140 what's in the report. Um, but do you see colleagues on the other side of the aisle sort of declaring

00:37:37.740 this whole thing at an end, uh, and wanting no further inquiry? I know that the house has something

00:37:42.600 like 80 subpoenas still out. Absolutely. Well, I want to tell you that this president has a way

00:37:49.080 of trying to get into people's heads and indoctrinate them. He's been saying no collusion,

00:37:54.700 no collusion, no collusion over and over again for a long time now. And he's going to try and conclude,

00:38:00.660 uh, that there, this report is proving that there's no collusion. And you have a lot of his sycophants

00:38:07.100 who will, you know, take the nod from him and they'll say the same thing. Uh, but we cannot

00:38:12.760 allow them to get away with this. We cannot allow them to accurately and precisely read verbatim the

00:38:21.420 Mueller report. That's what she's saying. It's not Trump who's saying that it's Robert Mueller. It's

00:38:26.440 the special counsel. And then it's the attorney general. And then it's the president because

00:38:30.920 that's the truth. So this is mostly a media scandal. I focus mostly on the media because they are

00:38:37.020 the real dirt bags and all of this, and they have no credibility and you should never, if they, if

00:38:42.280 you, if you find a mainstream media reporter in a bar and you say, Hey, what are you drinking? And he

00:38:48.980 said, Oh, I'm drinking a Bud Light. Don't believe him. He's probably lying. You can't even believe them

00:38:53.000 on that. That is how much they have totally destroyed their credibility over the last two

00:38:59.760 years because of this. It's mostly a media scandal. This hoax is not just the great, one of the

00:39:06.660 greatest political scandals in U.S. history. It is the greatest, single greatest media scandal in U.S.

00:39:12.120 history. But it's also a political scandal. It's not just the MSM. It's the politicians who hyped

00:39:18.680 this. We expect them to do this. We expect the cynical politicians to do this. Doesn't mean we

00:39:23.980 should let them off the hook. Here is House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler trying to hold a press

00:39:30.020 conference today. And the, the wonderful Patriots standing out there won't let him off the hook

00:39:37.280 for his lies. Executive privilege must be asserted by the president personally. And, um, and as the

00:39:45.800 Nixon case in front of the Supreme Court, which was decided nine to nothing pointed out, pointed out,

00:39:51.160 executive privilege cannot be used to shield or hide wrongdoing. You're a bunch of losers. That's

00:40:00.360 what he said. Lose again, Nadler. You're a bunch of, you're a bunch of losers. And, and that's true.

00:40:05.580 That, that is obviously true. They lost. We won. They lost. Reality won. Fantasy lost. Cynical fantasy.

00:40:12.420 But more than that, they're a bunch of sore losers. Everybody loses sometimes. You lose,

00:40:18.520 you act like a gentleman and you move on, but they didn't do that. They tried to overturn an

00:40:25.660 election and they're still trying to do it. Here's Beto O'Rourke living in Beto fantasy land.

00:40:31.020 I'll tell you what I see from my perspective. You have a president who, in my opinion, beyond the

00:40:37.060 shadow of a doubt, sought to, however, ham-handedly collude with the Russian government, a foreign power

00:40:44.340 to undermine and influence our elections. Oh, he is just awful. He is just sends shivers up my spine

00:40:52.340 how creepy this guy is. We will, we, in my opinion, this is another example of people don't know what

00:40:58.460 the word opinion means. They think it just can be a subjective preference. Like I like chocolate ice

00:41:04.060 cream. You like vanilla ice cream. That's my opinion. No, no, no. That's a preference. Preferences

00:41:08.160 are subjective. Opinions are statements of fact. I think it's my opinion that the sky is blue. It's

00:41:15.540 my opinion that two plus two equals four. That's my opinion. You can have true opinions or false

00:41:20.540 opinions. So Beto O'Rourke says, well, it's my opinion that Donald Trump colluded with a foreign

00:41:27.100 power. Okay. That's your opinion, but it's wrong. That's an incorrect opinion. Don't take my word for

00:41:33.660 it. Take Bob Mueller's opinion for it. Beto O'Rourke's opinion is not worth very much if that's

00:41:41.480 his opinion because that opinion is wrong. His judgment isn't worth very much, but we already

00:41:45.740 knew that. This underlines what I've been saying about the Democrat primary for weeks now. It is

00:41:50.840 divorced from reality. It's like play acting. That's what it is. They are play acting in a,

00:41:56.940 in a fantasy universe. Good actors, good actors in good plays and movies live truthfully in imaginary

00:42:03.480 circumstances. So they take the circumstances around them and they react truthfully to them.

00:42:08.480 Bad actors just say rehearsed lines automatically, regardless of circumstances.

00:42:15.420 They say acting, good acting is reacting. This guy's not reacting. He's just saying his programmed

00:42:20.320 line that he's been saying the whole time. Trump colluded with Russia. Trump, no,

00:42:24.100 the circumstances have changed. They now tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt, it didn't happen.

00:42:29.180 But he keeps playing the fantasy and the fantasy came crashing down. And this is the central

00:42:35.980 conservative consolation, not just here, not just with regard to Russia or Donald Trump or any of

00:42:41.980 that. Broadly speaking, when you think about everything conservatives are up against, cynical

00:42:48.660 identity politics, pandering, mob rule, the rousing of passions among the mob, all of the things that

00:42:56.020 we're up against as conservatives, the one consolation we have in the long run is that

00:43:02.400 eventually reality reasserts itself. And reality has reasserted itself here. That's what has

00:43:10.500 happened. Reality has, took two years, took 2,800 subpoenas. It took an average of three minutes a

00:43:18.720 night for 791 days on the media. It took so long, but reality has reasserted itself.

00:43:27.560 And so we are going to celebrate and we're going to dance and we're going to play Billy Preston saying

00:43:32.320 nothing from nothing leaves nothing in the Mueller report. And then tomorrow we should be furious and we

00:43:41.200 should take every bit of energy, every bit of focus that the Democrats and the media have had for two

00:43:49.120 years pursuing fantasy, smearing, spreading lies. We should take all of that focus and pursue the truth.

00:43:55.720 And we should find out who started this hoax. We should find out who funded this hoax. We should

00:44:00.600 find out which crooks in the government use this hoax as an excuse to spy on the Trump campaign and who

00:44:06.340 pushed it in the media and who pushed it in the government and who pushed it among the dent. We should find

00:44:10.380 them. We should line them up before a judge and we should put them in orange jumpsuits. That's what's

00:44:15.260 next. Investigate the dossier. The Democrats are not going to let up. They're going to keep these

00:44:20.080 investigations going and we should fight their fantasy with reality. We have the upper hand right

00:44:26.360 now. We are on the higher ground. We should use it. President Trump is at a real turning point in his

00:44:33.520 presidency. He can either take the win and move on as some want him to do, or he can fight. And

00:44:40.360 we know he's a fighter. He fought these guys tooth and nail for two years and he won because reality

00:44:45.300 was on his side and I can't wait for the next two years. That's our show. I'm going to be sitting in for

00:44:49.000 Ben's radio show today. So the back two hours of that I'll be in for. Obviously, we could keep talking

00:44:53.880 about this for two more hours and we're going to do that. I will have Professor Alan Dershowitz and

00:44:58.720 former independent counsel Ken Starr will be joining us to talk about the legal and political

00:45:03.580 ramifications. Check it out in the meantime. And otherwise, I'll see you tomorrow. I'm Michael Knowles.

00:45:08.180 This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:45:38.180 Hey, guys, over on The Matt Wall Show today, of course, we've got the Mueller report coming out

00:45:42.360 and it says that there's no evidence of collusion. Well, the left is in mourning about that.

00:45:47.780 What does it say that they're upset? Think about what they're upset about. They're upset

00:45:51.060 that the president didn't collude with Russia. Shouldn't they be happy about that? Also,

00:45:58.020 what does it say about the media that they spent two years pushing this hoax? Well,

00:46:02.440 nothing good on both counts. We'll talk more about that. Also, Kamala Harris says that all

00:46:07.200 teachers need a raise. But is that true? We'll get into the specifics there today as well

00:46:12.680 over on The Matt Wall Show.

Ep. 319 - It’s Mueller Time

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