The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 323 - The Cynical Attack On Joe Biden

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00:00:37.660 Joe Biden is facing intense scrutiny for behavior that he has been exhibiting in public,

00:00:43.600 including on the world's largest stage, for the past 40 years.

00:00:47.940 If I didn't know any better, I would say that maybe this is just a cynical attack.

00:00:53.040 But what do I know?

00:00:53.820 We will analyze Joe Biden's hashtag MeToo moment.

00:00:58.200 Then AOC hits primetime on left-wing cable news,

00:01:01.740 and a New York Times columnist dumps his girlfriend because she's white.

00:01:06.340 I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:15.420 I can't believe you're going to make me defend Joe Biden.

00:01:18.300 I tweeted this out today.

00:01:20.740 I said, I'm going to be defending Joe Biden on my show.

00:01:24.320 Be sure to tune in.

00:01:25.160 They said, oh, Michael, that's a funny April Fool's joke.

00:01:27.680 I said, oh, that adds insult to injury.

00:01:30.580 I not only have to defend Joe Biden, I have to defend him on April Fool's Day,

00:01:35.880 which seems like it's an April Fool's joke from me.

00:01:38.560 Really, it's just an April Fool's joke from the news cycle making me defend him, 0.67

00:01:42.340 because this latest spate of attacks saying that he's some sexual predator seems to me a little more cynical

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00:03:05.240 Creepy Uncle Joe. 0.98

00:03:06.780 The question is, is Joe Biden some longstanding sexual assailant 0.98

00:03:11.660 who's been operating right under our nose for the past 40 years,

00:03:14.880 or is he being attacked through the Me Too movement by other jealous politicians

00:03:22.180 who want to kick him out of the 2020 race?

00:03:24.960 That is the question.

00:03:26.560 Look, I am more than happy as a conservative to sit back and watch the left destroy itself.

00:03:31.940 I am more than happy to see a bunch of mud slung on Joe Biden because I don't like Joe Biden 0.93

00:03:37.460 because Joe Biden is an awful cynical politician. 0.99

00:03:39.880 He is dreadful. 0.99

00:03:41.320 He is a demagogue. 0.97

00:03:43.160 He has stoked racial division, among other sorts of division.

00:03:47.380 I don't like Joe Biden.

00:03:48.720 But I have to be fair.

00:03:50.940 And I think that this attack is BS.

00:03:54.700 It's not an April Fool's joke.

00:03:56.080 That's really what I think.

00:03:57.280 The whole affair began because The Cut,

00:04:02.260 I have never heard of The Cut before, but I guess it's some online publication.

00:04:05.480 They just published a piece called An Awkward Kiss Changed How I Saw Joe Biden.

00:04:13.040 Who was airing this?

00:04:14.140 This was aired by a woman named Lucy Flores. 0.95

00:04:18.500 Lucy Flores was a Nevada State Assemblywoman. 1.00

00:04:21.460 She ran for Lieutenant Governor of Nevada in 2014.

00:04:24.700 This is, I guess, when she met Joe Biden and had this harrowing experience of Joe Biden

00:04:29.060 putting his hands on her shoulders.

00:04:31.040 And then she ran again for Congress in 2016.

00:04:33.960 She lost in the primary there.

00:04:36.000 So she's had a number of failed runs for office. 0.99

00:04:38.600 She had a low-level office that she held in Nevada. 0.92

00:04:41.380 And now this is her big moment.

00:04:43.780 She endorsed Bernie Sanders in 2016.

00:04:46.600 Now Bernie Sanders, as you know, is running for president in 2020.

00:04:49.680 And Joe Biden wants to run for president in 2020.

00:04:52.360 And conveniently, now they are portraying Joe Biden out to be some sexual deviant.

00:04:58.380 Here is what she wrote. 0.90

00:04:59.580 Quote,

00:05:00.120 As I was taking deep breaths and preparing myself to make my case to the crowd, she was

00:05:06.940 about to go on stage at a political event, I felt two hands on my shoulders.

00:05:12.640 I froze.

00:05:14.380 Why is the vice president of the United States touching me?

00:05:17.860 I felt him get closer to me from behind.

00:05:20.280 He leaned further in and inhaled my hair.

00:05:23.460 I was mortified.

00:05:24.340 I thought to myself, I didn't wash my hair today.

00:05:27.400 And the vice president of the United States is smelling it.

00:05:30.260 And also, what in the actual F?

00:05:34.760 I'll just take a pause from reading this. 1.00

00:05:36.700 What a stupid phrase this is that you hear people. 1.00

00:05:39.020 They say, what the actual F? 1.00

00:05:42.560 First of all, if you're a public figure, don't put swear words in print.

00:05:48.420 It's unbecoming.

00:05:49.520 It's very undignified. 1.00

00:05:50.600 And it's stupid. 1.00

00:05:51.180 It makes you sound stupid. 1.00

00:05:52.080 Don't do it. 1.00

00:05:52.500 But to say what the actual F is such a trite, empty, it takes an empty statement and makes it emptier.

00:06:02.880 Somehow, I don't know how, it's like negative space is occupied by that statement.

00:06:06.760 It's so awkward.

00:06:08.320 It's so millennial.

00:06:09.620 It's just terrible.

00:06:11.160 It's an awful phrase.

00:06:12.860 And so she uses this.

00:06:14.620 This woman who wants to be lieutenant governor and congressman or whatever. 1.00

00:06:17.880 She uses this stupid language. 1.00

00:06:20.600 Then she gets to the point, though. 1.00

00:06:22.040 Why is the vice president of the United States smelling my hair?

00:06:25.840 He proceeded to plant a big, slow kiss on the back of my head.

00:06:30.580 My brain couldn't process what was happening.

00:06:33.380 I was embarrassed.

00:06:34.160 I was shocked.

00:06:34.740 I was confused.

00:06:36.000 There is a Spanish saying,

00:06:37.800 It means earth, swallow me whole.

00:06:42.800 I couldn't move and I couldn't say anything.

00:06:44.920 I wanted nothing more than to get Biden away from me.

00:06:47.400 There are so many problems with what she just wrote.

00:06:49.460 First of all, she says there is a Spanish expression which means earth, swallow me whole.

00:06:54.760 But you're writing in English.

00:06:55.660 You could just use the English phrase, earth, swallow me whole.

00:06:57.780 I wanted the earth to swallow me whole.

00:06:59.280 Okay.

00:06:59.460 I'm nitpicking on the language points here to make a broader point.

00:07:04.540 What actually happened?

00:07:06.280 She was at a political event.

00:07:08.840 Joe Biden comes up behind her, puts his hands on her shoulders, smells her hair, which is pretty weird, and then gives her a kiss on the back of the head.

00:07:17.580 Not a kiss on the back of the neck.

00:07:19.140 Not a kiss on the cheek.

00:07:20.340 Not a kiss on the lips.

00:07:21.640 He doesn't turn her down like they just won World War II and he plants a big wet one in the French style. 0.90

00:07:26.960 No.

00:07:27.420 A little kiss on the back of the head.

00:07:28.620 Does that mean that what Joe Biden does isn't really weird?

00:07:32.380 No.

00:07:32.820 It is really weird.

00:07:34.020 Does it mean that Joe Biden doesn't get a little too much in people's comfort zones and in their personal space?

00:07:40.840 Yeah, he obviously does.

00:07:42.380 How do we know that he does this?

00:07:43.800 Because he's been doing it for years and years and it's become a big joke on TV.

00:07:48.220 But the question is, what actually happened here?

00:07:51.360 Listen to her language.

00:07:52.540 I froze.

00:07:54.940 I was mortified.

00:07:56.280 What the actual F?

00:07:59.560 I was confused.

00:08:00.440 I was shocked.

00:08:01.980 The earth should swallow me whole.

00:08:03.880 Why?

00:08:04.140 Because some guy put his hands on your shoulders? 0.99

00:08:06.280 Give me a break.

00:08:08.320 Here is Lucy Flores going on CNN to talk about her harrowing two hands on her shoulder from the vice president. 0.97

00:08:15.800 I do want to take a moment to acknowledge it's not easy to do what you're doing.

00:08:19.280 And I thank you for coming on and having the courage to do so.

00:08:22.240 But what are you looking for from the vice president here?

00:08:24.740 Vice President Biden, are you looking for an apology?

00:08:27.020 Are you looking for him to change his behavior?

00:08:29.100 What's the end game here?

00:08:30.200 What do you want?

00:08:31.480 Absolutely.

00:08:32.120 I would.

00:08:32.520 Yes, of course, I want him to change his behavior.

00:08:34.640 And I want him to acknowledge that it was wrong.

00:08:37.580 And I want this to be a bigger discussion about how there is no accountability structure within our political space, either for for instances in which women feel that there was inappropriate behavior or more serious instances in allegations of sexual assault, etc.

00:08:56.620 We are we are we are not protected in politics and frankly, on a much larger scale.

00:09:04.360 We also need to have a conversation about powerful men feeling that they have that they have the right to invade a woman's space whenever they'd like.

00:09:16.180 So that's what this is about.

00:09:18.120 This is about not what Joe Biden did.

00:09:20.500 This is about the larger point.

00:09:23.960 That's whenever someone says and the larger point, what they're really saying is this particular instance, don't pay too much attention to.

00:09:30.140 I'm trying to make a bigger point.

00:09:31.760 This is B.S.

00:09:33.060 And don't just take my word for it.

00:09:35.420 One of the women in one of the most famous creepy Joe massaging your shoulders moments, Stephanie Carter, is calling this B.S. as well. 1.00

00:09:44.500 You'll remember when Ash Carter was being sworn in as secretary of defense, his wife was there and Joe Biden was very creepily sort of massaging her shoulders and whispering something in her ear.

00:09:56.340 The meme went viral.

00:09:59.540 Obviously, we post that all the time.

00:10:01.020 And she just posted on Medium a long piece.

00:10:04.160 She said, the Me Too story that wasn't me.

00:10:09.580 And now she begins.

00:10:10.840 She says, let me state up front that I don't know Lucy Flores, but I absolutely support her right to speak her truth.

00:10:19.200 And she should be, like all women, believed. 1.00

00:10:23.000 But her story is not mine.

00:10:25.560 So here you, on the one hand, she says, oh, this, she's a woman. 0.98

00:10:29.460 So this woman has to be believed because she's a woman. 0.95

00:10:31.940 Women can't lie. 1.00

00:10:32.960 They're not biologically capable of it. 0.74

00:10:35.380 How on earth could a woman lie? 1.00

00:10:36.860 She would have to say something dishonest in order to lie. 0.98

00:10:39.780 Women can't do that. 1.00

00:10:41.220 So she should be believed.

00:10:42.500 She's completely right.

00:10:44.500 Except, but, her story's total B.S. 1.00

00:10:47.420 And then she goes on to explain why it's B.S.

00:10:49.560 So Stephanie Carter is explaining this moment here.

00:10:52.260 She says, by the time then Vice President Biden had arrived, he could sense I was uncharacteristically nervous and quickly gave me a hug.

00:11:01.020 After the swearing in, as Ash was giving remarks, he leaned in to tell me, thank you for letting him do this, and kept his hands on my shoulders as a means of offering his support.

00:11:09.280 But a still shot taken from a video, misleadingly extracted from what was a longer moment between close friends, sent out in a snarky tweet, came to be the lasting image of the day.

00:11:22.340 Stephanie Carter is not the only woman defending Joe Biden.

00:11:25.120 Here's Mika Brzezinski defending Joe Biden as well on Morning Joe.

00:11:29.940 I don't, is it an assault?

00:11:32.400 I'm not sure what she was describing, so we'll listen and try and understand where this conversation goes from here.

00:11:41.360 There's a lot of things I know about Joe Biden.

00:11:43.320 I've known him for a long time.

00:11:45.360 He is extremely affectionate, extremely flirtatious in a completely safe way.

00:11:52.880 I am sure that somebody can misconstrue something he's done, but as much as I can know what's in anyone's heart, I don't think that there's a bad intent on his part at all.

00:12:07.080 And I read the account, and I was like, yeah, that's Joe Biden, but never thought for a second that he meant anything from it except to be nice, to be kind. 0.99

00:12:16.840 So she's defending him, and now I get why conservatives want to pounce on the Joe Biden story, because Joe Biden is a jerk, because there's a total double standard. 0.98

00:12:28.600 Imagine if a Republican politician was massaging girls' shoulders and smelling their hair and stuff at campaign stops. 1.00

00:12:35.960 The guy would be crucified in the mainstream media.

00:12:38.440 But because Joe Biden is Joe Biden, and because he's a Democrat, Mika Brzezinski says, oh, he's a great guy.

00:12:43.620 The Washington Post says he's a nice guy.

00:12:46.420 The Washington Post headline on this was, quote, Joe Biden's affectionate physical style with women comes under scrutiny.

00:12:53.700 Imagine what they would say about a Republican.

00:12:55.680 They'd say, this predator, this assailant was endangering the lives of women.

00:13:01.100 He must be behind bars.

00:13:03.420 But not for Joe Biden.

00:13:05.740 However, we've got to be fair here, because as much as I want to use whatever cudgel I can against Joe Biden,

00:13:13.040 this is, it seems to me, not a fair attack.

00:13:16.880 Let's see. 0.87

00:13:17.320 The best evidence we've got that Joe Biden is a sexual assailant deviant who's on the loose for 40 years

00:13:24.600 comes from Paul Joseph Watson. 0.63

00:13:26.820 He put together a supercut of all these weird Biden moments of massaging girls' shoulders and stuff.

00:13:31.800 And here's just a little clip of that.

00:13:33.760 And it is very creepy, I admit.

00:13:36.260 In this clip, Biden appears to grope the chest area of a little girl.

00:13:41.160 The close-up shows her visibly pull away, right as it happens.

00:13:45.100 But I'm sure that's completely normal.

00:13:52.780 Biden seems to have a thing for touching, smelling, and stroking girls' hair, as seen in this clip. 0.90

00:14:03.200 But I'm sure that's completely normal.

00:14:05.760 In this clip, Biden strokes the girls' hair before whispering something in her ear.

00:14:10.240 He then asks for a picture with the girl alone.

00:14:26.000 Senator Jim Risch then says,

00:14:28.020 Dad's going to stand pretty close.

00:14:40.240 Dad's going to stand pretty close.

00:14:44.380 Biden appears to tell the girl, quote,

00:14:46.800 If I was young.

00:14:48.900 I was young, and I bet I'd choose parties.

00:14:53.140 Okay, that's the clip.

00:14:57.700 Admittedly, it's weird behavior that is no longer acceptable on campaign trails or elsewhere. 0.92

00:15:04.640 However, however, the question is, is Joe Biden a sexual predator, or is Joe Biden an overly flirtatious, kind of weird, awkward, somewhat creepy politician? 0.97

00:15:21.300 It's one of those two. 0.98

00:15:24.120 I think the evidence is pretty clear that it is the latter.

00:15:28.900 Here's why.

00:15:29.760 How many politicians have sex scandals? 0.85

00:15:31.600 How many have mistresses, illegitimate kids, their Elliot Spitzer going to $15,000 hookers every night, Bill Clinton obviously sleeping with every woman under the sun?

00:15:43.200 All those guys have had long sex scandal histories.

00:15:48.620 What do we know from Joe Biden?

00:15:50.800 Have we heard of massive Joe Biden sex scandals? 0.70

00:15:53.780 Have we heard of Joe Biden going to hookers up in Albany like Elliot Spitzer?

00:15:56.940 Have we heard of Joe Biden sneaking around the White House and bagging interns and, you know, any of those things?

00:16:05.160 No, we haven't. 0.94

00:16:06.820 All of the evidence that Joe Biden is some sexual deviant is because on camera during political events, he is grabbing girls' hair. 0.52

00:16:15.520 Not, you know, not ripping it, but massaging girls' hair, smelling their hair, hugging them. 0.91

00:16:21.360 I don't know.

00:16:21.880 Okay, that's the end. 0.98

00:16:22.820 If Joe Biden were some crazy sexual predator deviant, would he be doing all of these things on cameras, on C-SPAN all of the time? 0.99

00:16:33.980 If he thought that he were doing some sort of deviant behavior, don't you think he might have said, hey, maybe we'll get the C-SPAN cameras off before I kiss a girl on the back of the head or something? 0.97

00:16:45.000 And if there was that image in or that part of Paul Joseph Watson's video where he's talking to the teenage girl, the daughter of the senator, and he says, you know, if I were a younger man, I want to get a picture with you.

00:16:56.460 Is he really saying, I want to date a 16-year-old?

00:17:00.960 I, a 70-year-old man, I, the vice president of the United States, really want to date a 16-year-old?

00:17:06.500 Or is he being an overly flirtatious, unctuous politician?

00:17:10.760 I think it's obviously the latter.

00:17:13.120 When we're all being honest with ourselves, we know it's the latter, but we don't want to admit that because we don't like Joe Biden and we want to take him down a peg.

00:17:20.780 And it's particularly enjoyable because in this case, it's not Republicans going after him, it's the left that's going after him.

00:17:27.280 And why now?

00:17:29.420 This is the other great evidence in Joe Biden's defense.

00:17:33.300 This weird stuff has been on camera for 40 years.

00:17:38.780 The neck massages and the kiss on the back of the head, that stuff's the whispering in your ear when you're being sworn in.

00:17:46.180 That's been on camera for 40 years.

00:17:47.980 The man was head of the Senate Judiciary Committee, senator forever.

00:17:53.320 He was a vice president.

00:17:54.720 He's run for president twice already.

00:17:56.420 He's about to run for a third time.

00:17:57.780 Why is it coming out now?

00:17:59.920 Because he's about to run for a third time.

00:18:02.260 If Joe Biden had said, you know, I'm not going to run for president, do you think this stuff would be coming out?

00:18:07.600 No.

00:18:08.380 If Joe Biden had said, I'm not going to run for president, do you think Elizabeth Warren would be coming out saying, we need a full investigation?

00:18:14.560 We need to figure out what Joe Biden's been doing?

00:18:16.880 No.

00:18:17.280 Two, it's obviously a cynical attack.

00:18:20.680 But I think this is the bad, it's a bad route to go down.

00:18:24.280 One, because most people know that this is fairly disingenuous.

00:18:28.160 Two, because it minimizes actual sexual assailants.

00:18:31.860 Like, I don't know, Anthony Weiner, for instance, or Bill Clinton, who legitimately are sexual predators. 0.63

00:18:37.140 And Joe Biden is a flirtatious guy who says, hey, you, if I were a younger man, if I wasn't married, ha, ha, wink, wink, give me your vote, father, ha, ha, ha. 0.91

00:18:45.960 It really minimizes that.

00:18:48.380 And I don't think that's a good thing either.

00:18:49.780 And also because Joe Biden is a terrible executive who would push terrible policies.

00:18:56.420 That's why we should go after him.

00:18:59.320 Joe Biden, do you remember, I think, what was it, last week, Joe Biden said, we need to end English jurisprudence.

00:19:07.340 Because English jurisprudence, by which he means Anglo-American jurisprudence, is a white man's culture.

00:19:14.660 And therefore, we've got to get past it.

00:19:16.420 English jurisprudence is the presumption of innocence.

00:19:19.360 It's due process.

00:19:21.040 It's equality before the law.

00:19:23.540 These are wonderful things.

00:19:24.680 These are things that we should defend. 0.99

00:19:26.220 And this schmuck, Joe Biden, is calling for the obliteration of it. 0.99

00:19:29.120 That's why we should go after him. 1.00

00:19:30.500 But not some disingenuous Me Too hit job.

00:19:34.400 Why didn't this girl, Lucy Flores, why didn't she go after Joe Biden in 2014 when she was having him help her run for lieutenant governor of Nevada?

00:19:46.680 Why didn't she go after him in 2016 when she was running for Congress? 0.93

00:19:49.960 Why is she going after him right now?

00:19:51.980 Why is this outspoken Bernie Sanders supporter going after one of Bernie Sanders' opponents right now?

00:19:57.620 Because the moral hazard of the Me Too moment is that any guy you want, you can take down for any reason.

00:20:06.520 This is not to downplay either Joe's creepiness and unctuousness.

00:20:11.140 It's also not to downplay legitimate instances of sexual harassment and sexual assault.

00:20:17.080 Quite the contrary.

00:20:18.580 I think that's what the Me Too movement does.

00:20:20.260 Is it delegitimizes all of those things?

00:20:24.300 Because what we're seeing here is that for any reason at all, what did Joe Biden do?

00:20:30.100 What is he being accused of doing?

00:20:31.560 Is he being accused of sleeping with another man's wife?

00:20:33.900 No.

00:20:34.500 Is he being accused of sneaking around on his own wife and going to hotel rooms and all that kind of stuff?

00:20:39.580 No.

00:20:39.960 He's being accused of putting his hands on people's shoulders and smelling their hair, super weird but not sexual assault, and kissing them on the head sometimes.

00:20:54.480 Also, if you were kissing them on the mouth, that's one thing.

00:20:57.020 But when you see your grandfather, your grandfather might give you a little kiss on the head.

00:21:03.160 That's a sign of affection.

00:21:05.100 When you see someone just at an event, let's say it's a professional event or a personal social event, you can shake a hand, I guess you can give them a high five, or you can do what is very common, which is a sort of half hug and a little kiss on the cheek, but you're not really kissing on the cheek.

00:21:20.980 You're just putting your cheeks together and sort of kissing out in the air and giving the sound of a kiss.

00:21:25.500 It's vaguely European, but people do it all the time.

00:21:27.900 Oh, so good to see you.

00:21:29.560 You're not even kissing them.

00:21:30.940 That is much closer to what Joe Biden is doing than Joe Biden clubbing a girl over the head and dragging her off to a hotel room.

00:21:38.360 I think we all know that.

00:21:39.600 We can all admit that.

00:21:41.580 But we shouldn't take the short-term political attack here for this ability to knock down Joe Biden a little bit.

00:21:51.500 It's very easy to knock down Joe Biden. 0.87

00:21:53.300 Joe Biden is a joke.

00:21:54.440 He ran for president in 1988.

00:21:56.160 He failed because he was a plagiarist.

00:21:57.680 He ran in 2008.

00:21:58.820 He failed.

00:21:59.540 He only got vice president because Barack Obama hated Hillary Clinton so much. 1.00

00:22:02.700 He's going to run again.

00:22:03.520 He's going to fail again.

00:22:04.840 He's not going to get the nomination.

00:22:06.060 If he does get the nomination, he's not going to beat Donald Trump.

00:22:09.580 We don't need to use this cynical attack because what it will do is legitimize the worst excesses of the Me Too movement.

00:22:18.460 I know people who have been Me Too, legitimately Me Too, like men have sexually harassed them at work,

00:22:24.400 and it's caused them personal distress and professional distress.

00:22:28.380 We should not water down legitimate instances of that by allowing people, consequence-free, to use sexual assault, whatever that means these days, as a political cudgel to attack your opponents.

00:22:44.600 It is not a fair attack on Joe Biden.

00:22:47.780 He's creepy. 1.00

00:22:48.700 He's dumb. 1.00

00:22:49.720 He's a bad politician. 1.00

00:22:51.320 Well, he's a good politician, but he's bad in his effect on the politics of the United States.

00:22:55.400 He's made the most radical campaign statement I've ever heard any presidential candidate make in my entire life.

00:23:00.920 He's unctuous.

00:23:01.940 He almost certainly has fake teeth.

00:23:03.680 He's basically just a walking smile.

00:23:05.420 There are so many ways to attack Joe Biden.

00:23:07.380 But this is not a fair one.

00:23:10.480 Speaking of fair attacks, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was on MSNBC for a town hall just the other day. 1.00

00:23:20.520 It is, I wish we could play the whole thing, because you could go through every sentence and parse every single sentence of it.

00:23:27.360 But here she is, for the first time, addressing her most radical proposal, which has now been embraced by every candidate virtually running for president as a Democrat.

00:23:39.200 It is being co-sponsored by every Senate Democrat who's running for president, and yet not a single person in the Senate voted for the Green New Deal, and she encouraged them not to.

00:23:48.880 She's got a lot of explaining to do. 1.00

00:23:50.520 Here is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez trying to explain the bungled rollout of her signature policy proposal. 1.00

00:23:59.620 I mean, on the concern trolling, there are people that you guys issued an FAQ.

00:24:03.620 It had some things that people thought were ridiculous and radical, like anyone that was unable or unwilling to work would be guaranteed a job.

00:24:09.820 The FAQ was withdrawn and said it was preliminary, a draft.

00:24:12.740 There was a lot of fight about that.

00:24:14.240 Like, do you think you guys rolled it out the right way?

00:24:17.020 Did you bring it any on yourself?

00:24:18.140 What I will say is that I definitely had a staffer that had a very bad day at work and did release a working draft early.

00:24:27.980 So I get that that's what they're seizing on.

00:24:31.080 But really what we need to do is have a serious conversation.

00:24:35.140 And and and even in in those draft versions, what they were talking about and is really about the fact that we need to innovate on our technology.

00:24:47.740 You know, obviously, like I had a staffer, you know, police a document to talk about cow flatulence. 0.99

00:24:52.860 But which is an issue.

00:24:54.880 I just want to say that's your explanation.

00:24:58.400 Imagine a staffer had a bad day at work and released your signature policy proposal, which you admittedly wrote.

00:25:08.240 And then you guys touted it for several days and then you walked it back.

00:25:15.360 That's you're a low level staffer.

00:25:17.700 Give me a break.

00:25:20.280 That's weak sauce even when it's true.

00:25:22.300 This obviously is not true because she's saying I oppose the Green New Deal now.

00:25:28.560 She's saying there was draft legislation that they had been writing and then a staffer had a bad day at work and released it.

00:25:37.880 First of all, what does that mean, a bad day at work? 0.99

00:25:40.380 He was really angry at AOC, so he released her stupid policy proposal. 0.77

00:25:44.140 Or he had a bad day by definition because he accidentally released this and then they just all accidentally touted it for several days and weeks before they had to walk it back accidentally. 0.96

00:25:57.980 That was the bad day?

00:25:59.220 What was the bad day that makes you release on multiple platforms your signature policy proposal that you've been talking about for weeks that you wrote?

00:26:08.780 Pretty weak sauce.

00:26:10.660 But then the second question, which a legitimate journalist would have asked her, obviously she was talking to Chris Hayes, so that wasn't going to happen.

00:26:20.420 But a real journalist would have asked her, okay, a staffer released this proposal for the Green New Deal.

00:26:28.240 You now apparently are upset about that.

00:26:31.880 Do you oppose the draft legislation of the Green New Deal?

00:26:35.640 Do you, what specifically do you oppose in the draft legislation?

00:26:43.500 Because she's saying, oh yes, no, it was draft, it was a staffer that released it.

00:26:48.240 No, no, no, no.

00:26:50.120 Say, okay, well let's just go through it.

00:26:52.600 Do you still believe that the world is going to end in 12 years?

00:26:55.260 Well, yes.

00:26:55.920 Do you still believe that we need to eliminate 88% of American energy?

00:26:59.600 Well, yes.

00:27:00.280 Do you still believe that we need to destroy or retrofit every building in the entire country?

00:27:03.980 Well, yes.

00:27:05.720 Do you still believe, do you still believe, do you still believe?

00:27:08.160 And she'll say yes to everything.

00:27:10.020 Or she'll say no, of course not.

00:27:12.500 But either way, you can't blame it on a low-level staffer.

00:27:15.640 We're talking about the ideas themselves.

00:27:18.380 And she actually doubles down on one of the ideas in the interview.

00:27:21.600 It says, AOC, is the world going to end in 12 years?

00:27:24.200 But climate change is different because we have an expiration date.

00:27:31.220 And the IPCC report says we've got 12 years to turn it around.

00:27:39.940 Yeah.

00:27:40.000 12 years.

00:27:41.860 So, my concern is that we are going to be the frog in the pot of boiling water.

00:27:51.500 And we are going to debate and debate and debate and debate and debate.

00:27:54.780 And then when we actually finally pass something, it is a wimpy carbon tax and our kids are doomed.

00:28:00.780 The threshold now is, what are we, we've got 12 years to cut emissions in half.

00:28:04.640 And if you want to jump into that debate, great.

00:28:06.920 That's what the debate is.

00:28:08.420 Like, that's the debate.

00:28:09.120 You want to get in the pool, then get in the pool and we'll have a debate. 0.75

00:28:11.380 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:28:13.580 AOC is just saying that now we are going to die in 12 years.

00:28:17.240 The UN says it.

00:28:18.420 We're all going to die.

00:28:19.280 We're the frog in the water.

00:28:20.860 And we need to pass major sweeping legislation now.

00:28:24.220 And her fear is that debate, debate, debate, debate, debate will take too long and will water

00:28:31.680 down the legislation so that we won't be able to save the planet.

00:28:34.840 But just last week, Mitch McConnell put up for a vote, the Green New Deal, as she wrote

00:28:43.940 it, not one jot or tittle did he change.

00:28:47.420 The full sweeping proposal, no debate.

00:28:51.640 And what did AOC say?

00:28:52.900 She said, we need debate.

00:28:54.580 We need to have a real debate.

00:28:57.440 She says perfectly opposite things about precisely the same thing.

00:29:03.420 Days apart, with no consequence whatsoever.

00:29:07.180 So a real journalist, again, obviously, Chris Hayes, so not going to get it.

00:29:12.420 But a real journalist would say, AOC, if you're afraid that we'll have too much debate and that

00:29:18.820 we'll take too long and water down the legislation, then how come last week you urged your Senate

00:29:24.420 colleagues to vote, to not vote for the legislation precisely because we need more debate on it?

00:29:32.540 Can you explain that?

00:29:34.460 And she would say, why didn't you vote?

00:29:38.160 Why didn't you vote?

00:29:41.820 We'll get to her explanation of the cost, by the way.

00:29:45.140 We'll get to her explanation of how sweeping it's going to be in just one second.

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00:29:55.500 That was a pretty dark pun, completely unintended.

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00:30:00.100 The critics hate it.

00:30:01.160 Audiences love it.

00:30:02.680 The entire social media apparatus is trying to shut it down, and it's winning anyway.

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00:31:05.900 So, she doesn't vote.

00:31:08.000 She doesn't advocate that her colleagues in the Senate vote for the Green New Deal.

00:31:13.500 It hasn't been brought up for a vote in the House yet.

00:31:15.920 She's now blaming a staffer for releasing the plan. 0.99

00:31:19.340 She's saying, oh, no, no, that wasn't the plan.

00:31:21.240 But she still hasn't refuted any aspects of it.

00:31:24.240 The cost of the plan is still $93 trillion.

00:31:26.640 How is she going to pay for it? 0.99

00:31:29.020 You know, and they wave this wand and they say, oh, it's going to cost, you know, a bazillion dollars.

00:31:35.800 Like, they sound like Dr. Evil, like $100 million.

00:31:38.880 And how about we start by fully funding the pensions of coal miners in West Virginia?

00:31:47.340 How about we start by rebuilding Flint?

00:31:55.520 You know, let's just start now.

00:32:03.360 What?

00:32:07.260 Come again?

00:32:08.220 Excuse me?

00:32:08.640 She says, oh, there were so many levels to this.

00:32:13.040 She says, those Republicans are saying it's going to cost a bazillion dollars.

00:32:17.980 No, we're not.

00:32:18.740 We're saying it'll cost $93 trillion, which is just the cost of all the programs that you clearly outlined in your document.

00:32:24.640 $93 trillion.

00:32:25.400 Then she says, you know, they sound like Dr. Evil, $100 million.

00:32:31.380 No, I wish it cost $100 million. 1.00

00:32:33.520 If your stupid program cost $100 million, I'd basically say, okay, deal with it. 1.00

00:32:37.600 That's fine. 1.00

00:32:38.060 You can have some aspects of it for $100 million.

00:32:40.600 It doesn't.

00:32:42.220 It costs orders of magnitude more than that.

00:32:45.320 Many orders of magnitude, not $100 million, not $1 billion, not $10 billion, not $100 billion, not $1 trillion, not $10 trillion.

00:33:00.480 Nearly, did you count all those orders of magnitude there?

00:33:04.380 Nearly $100 trillion.

00:33:08.680 Many, many orders of magnitude more than you're joking about right there.

00:33:12.720 And so she says, but who cares how we're going to pay for it?

00:33:15.380 I mean, this has been her line the whole time.

00:33:16.900 Stop asking how we're going to pay for it.

00:33:18.420 La, la, la, I can't hear you.

00:33:21.420 Okay, well, then what does that look like practically?

00:33:23.840 She goes, let's just start by fulfilling all of our unfunded pension liabilities.

00:33:29.820 Start by, that's the biggest financial problem in the entire country.

00:33:33.720 Hold on.

00:33:34.100 So you want to spend nearly $100 trillion on a new program.

00:33:38.660 And in order to achieve that, $100 trillion, we would have to take all tax receipts to the federal government for 32 years, cancel the entire government, disband the military.

00:33:49.800 For 32 years, we still probably wouldn't be able to cover it, and the entire economy would crash long, long before then.

00:33:55.680 But you want to take that, the biggest spending proposal ever in American domestic spending, by a long shot.

00:34:03.860 And before you do that, you want to deal with the single toughest fiscal problem facing the country.

00:34:10.720 And then also before you institute the Green New Deal, you want to fix Flint, Michigan, whatever that means.

00:34:21.380 I'm happy to fix Flint, Michigan, too.

00:34:23.240 That's a town that's been run by Democrats for, I don't know, since the Stone Age.

00:34:26.900 So I guess one way to do it is you guys should stop destroying Flint, Michigan and have decent governance, and then you'll fix it.

00:34:34.780 That's one way to do it.

00:34:35.600 But she just says things.

00:34:38.600 This is, when we talk about AOC and the trouble with her, what's so troubling about her, it's not just the ignorance. 0.93

00:34:49.140 It's the blithe ignorance. 0.95

00:34:51.960 It's the casual ignorance. 0.98

00:34:54.500 It's the proud ignorance. 0.97

00:34:56.740 She just says words. 0.80

00:35:26.740 Yeah, how are we going to fund, I don't know, I mean, what, $93 trillion?

00:35:30.740 That's like a hundred million or a bazillion or a gazo-ba-da-ba-la-la-la. 0.99

00:35:37.280 She's basically Congressman Andy Kaufman. 0.97

00:35:42.400 She just speaks in gibberish.

00:35:45.800 Yeah, well, how are you going to institute that massive carbon tax?

00:35:50.320 How are you going to eliminate 88% of American energy?

00:35:53.580 Pension liabilities.

00:35:56.040 What was that?

00:35:57.520 Constitutional.

00:35:58.240 Now, ma'am, you're just saying words.

00:36:02.240 Due process.

00:36:03.700 Due process, monetary policy, IMF.

00:36:08.240 No, ma'am, you're just saying words that don't mean anything.

00:36:12.340 And just because you put them together, that doesn't make it a sentence.

00:36:15.080 Certainly doesn't make it an idea.

00:36:17.860 Don't worry, though, on this stream of being factually incorrect in her moral crusades.

00:36:22.980 AOC then finally puts herself into making a very clear historical claim.

00:36:30.240 The one problem with that, of course, is that it's completely incorrect.

00:36:33.380 When our party was boldest, the time of the New Deal, the Great Society, the Civil Rights Act, and so on, we had and carried super majorities in the House, in the Senate.

00:36:46.120 We carried the presidency.

00:36:47.980 They had to amend the Constitution of the United States to make sure Roosevelt did not get reelected.

00:36:54.660 And, you know, there were so many extraordinary things that were happening in that time that were uniting working people.

00:37:03.440 Wow, wow, that's a history lesson.

00:37:06.180 I don't know.

00:37:06.420 I studied history in college, and I don't remember that lesson.

00:37:10.440 Because the way I thought it happened is that Franklin Roosevelt died in office in 1945, and then the 22nd Amendment was ratified in 1947, two years later.

00:37:23.360 That's what I guess that's just what I because I'm I'm still in the world of the what is factually correct.

00:37:28.500 I didn't I guess I'm not living in this divorced, bizarro world where you're morally right, but factually incorrect.

00:37:36.060 She's saying that they passed an amendment to prevent Franklin Roosevelt from being reelected.

00:37:41.880 The amendment she's referring to term limits for the president was not passed until two years after Franklin Roosevelt died.

00:37:49.260 The only thing that prevented Franklin Roosevelt from serving his term or being reelected was his weak ticker, which gave up while he was in his mistress's arms, speaking of Me Too and impropriety by Democrat politicians.

00:38:08.420 So obviously, that's just one example.

00:38:10.580 It's so obvious and easy to point to that one, because when she does make an explicit statement, she's almost always demonstrably incorrect.

00:38:16.940 This is proof, though, in a broader sense, that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is not a right wing creation.

00:38:24.040 People say sometimes they'll say, Michael, you've written multiple columns about AOC.

00:38:28.120 You've talked about her on your show.

00:38:29.840 You're obsessed with her.

00:38:31.360 You're creating her.

00:38:33.340 You're the only reason she gets media attention. 1.00

00:38:36.100 That isn't true.

00:38:37.500 She's an interesting character because she takes leftism to its logical conclusion, which is a bunch of incoherent lies and fantasies. 0.99

00:38:46.940 But so that's sort of interesting to analyze.

00:38:49.820 But it's not just us giving her attention.

00:38:53.040 It's not even primarily us giving her attention.

00:38:55.800 This wasn't a Daily Wire town hall with AOC.

00:38:59.620 This wasn't a Fox News town hall with AOC.

00:39:02.160 This was an MSNBC town hall with AOC.

00:39:06.360 How about CNN?

00:39:07.480 This is CNN describing Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in 2019.

00:39:14.440 Neil, I want to turn and get one more topic in here all fast.

00:39:18.360 The Republican Party versus Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the freshman Democrat in Congress from New York.

00:39:25.260 Take a look at the crowd when Donald Trump Jr. appeared at a campaign-style rally for his dad earlier this week.

00:39:31.960 Shh.

00:39:34.040 They are chanting her initials.

00:39:43.480 You heard the word that followed.

00:39:44.900 And today, Ocasio-Cortez responded by saying this is a pattern among those on the right, including the president.

00:39:50.840 And she added that the president doesn't have another woman, Hillary Clinton or whoever else, to vilify anymore. 0.98

00:39:56.960 Nia Malika, why is she such a magnet for conservatives? 1.00

00:40:03.040 Well, she's incredibly charismatic.

00:40:05.960 She is in some ways a symbol of where the country is going in terms of demographics.

00:40:12.920 Here she is, a young Latina woman who upset a Democrat in New York.

00:40:17.540 And she's incredibly eloquent in terms of talking about Democratic Party values.

00:40:22.860 She's eloquent?

00:40:24.780 She's articulate?

00:40:26.020 Have you lost your mind?

00:40:29.360 This is the woman who, in a major interview, transformed into the cash-me-ow-sci-how-about-dad girl.

00:40:36.400 Said, I'm the boss.

00:40:37.300 I'm the boss.

00:40:38.400 I'm not the expert.

00:40:41.700 Million zillion.

00:40:43.600 Apparently, she's really articulate.

00:40:45.100 Also, on that point, she said she represents the future of where this country is headed demographically because she's a woman.

00:40:52.440 There are as many women today as there were 50 years ago. 1.00

00:40:59.720 There aren't more women today. 1.00

00:41:01.900 We're not importing hordes of women immigrants. 1.00

00:41:06.780 The country is not moving demographically to women.

00:41:11.780 Women make up about, and I'm just doing rough calculations here, about half of the population. 1.00

00:41:16.840 And so that's not changing.

00:41:18.860 She's young.

00:41:20.800 The country isn't moving demographically young.

00:41:23.540 Actually, the country is moving demographically very old because no one's having any kids anymore.

00:41:28.080 We now have below-replacement birth rates.

00:41:30.060 We have a 1.7 birth rate per couple.

00:41:33.660 So actually, demographically, the country is moving old.

00:41:36.140 Never mind.

00:41:36.440 What she's really saying is she's Hispanic, and we're importing a ton of Hispanic immigrants, and our politics are primarily racially based here at CNN.

00:41:45.860 And so she represents the future because her name is Ocasio-Cortez.

00:41:49.480 That's really what she's saying.

00:41:50.620 It's a minor point, and she tries to gussy it up in this other language, but all she's saying is she's Hispanic.

00:41:55.220 That's the future.

00:41:56.160 More Hispanics. 0.99

00:41:57.860 More racial politics.

00:41:59.020 That's what she's saying.

00:42:00.640 But LOL to say it's because she's eloquent and articulate.

00:42:05.400 That's why Republicans have made her this big star. 0.99

00:42:10.100 No, you did.

00:42:10.720 You're talking about her.

00:42:11.520 You're the one talking about how wonderful she is.

00:42:14.600 MSNBC had a town hall with her, and Tom Perez, the head of the Democrat Party, said she is the future of the party.

00:42:21.500 We didn't do this.

00:42:22.400 We're responding.

00:42:23.380 We're discussing.

00:42:24.360 We're commenting on her because that's our job.

00:42:27.120 But you're the ones who made her the star.

00:42:30.100 The reason they do this is so that Democrats can have all the political advantages of her, but none of the political liabilities. 1.00

00:42:37.420 We didn't make her a star.

00:42:38.580 Oh, yeah, she doesn't really seem to know that much, and she accidentally said billion instead of million or this or that.

00:42:45.500 But we didn't make her a star.

00:42:46.760 You did.

00:42:47.160 No, no, you did.

00:42:47.860 She's yours.

00:42:48.500 You own her. 0.87

00:42:49.000 Before we go, very quickly, I do need to mention, I guess we'll end on sex, too. 0.98

00:42:55.220 We begin on sex. 0.95

00:42:56.040 We end on sex.

00:42:57.200 I need to mention Unplanned, the movie.

00:43:00.700 Unfortunately, I've been traveling a lot.

00:43:01.920 I wasn't able to go to the premiere in Hollywood.

00:43:04.900 I've been on the road.

00:43:05.780 I can't wait to go see it.

00:43:08.240 So I'm not talking about the movie itself.

00:43:09.920 I'm just talking about what happened with this movie over the weekend.

00:43:14.300 It took in a whopping $6 million over the weekend.

00:43:18.800 It was rated the number five movie at the box office nationwide.

00:43:22.680 This is a big deal.

00:43:24.300 It is really hard.

00:43:26.220 One, it's hard to get a theatrical release for a movie, period.

00:43:29.060 It's really hard to get a theatrical release for a politically incorrect movie,

00:43:33.560 a movie that does not hold the Hollywood leftist line,

00:43:36.880 which Unplanned, an essentially pro-life movie,

00:43:41.020 a movie presenting the pro-life arguments, is.

00:43:44.460 That's obviously politically incorrect.

00:43:47.560 It got an R rating.

00:43:49.880 Why does it have an R rating?

00:43:51.100 Because it deals with abortion in a pro-life manner.

00:43:54.480 If it had dealt with abortion in favor of that,

00:43:59.000 do you think it would have gotten an R rating?

00:44:00.360 I don't think so.

00:44:01.280 Twitter suspended the movie's account over the weekend.

00:44:04.560 They are doing everything they can to push this thing down.

00:44:08.100 Rotten Tomatoes, the critics on Rotten Tomatoes gave it a 53%.

00:44:13.060 So how did it rake in all that money?

00:44:15.740 Because audiences loved it, and they gave it a 94%.

00:44:18.500 By the way, that's how you almost always know when a movie is going to be really good,

00:44:22.800 is when it has a low critic score and a high audience score.

00:44:25.540 That means it's going to be a really good movie, almost all the time.

00:44:29.040 And conversely, when it has a really high critic score and a low audience score,

00:44:32.660 you know it's going to be the worst movie of all time.

00:44:34.880 Look no further than Saint-Soleil by Chris Marker, the worst movie I've ever seen.

00:44:40.080 This is the most prominent issue in the country where the media are totally divorced from public opinion.

00:44:51.620 That's what this box office is showing us.

00:44:54.340 The media opinion is totally divorced from the public's opinion. 0.97

00:44:58.300 From what we hear in the media, Americans are clamoring to allow people to kill babies as they're being born.

00:45:07.220 Or in the case of Virginia, the day after they're born, or two days after they're born.

00:45:10.880 They're clamoring for this.

00:45:12.460 In reality, that is not the case.

00:45:14.240 79% of Americans oppose third trimester abortion.

00:45:18.020 That's all Americans, nearly 80%. 0.59

00:45:19.300 Two-thirds of pro-choice Americans oppose third trimester abortion.

00:45:26.580 Two-thirds of abortion supporters oppose late-term abortion.

00:45:30.400 The vast majority.

00:45:33.940 Obviously, 80% oppose abortion the day before a child's born.

00:45:37.780 How about two days before?

00:45:38.640 How about three days before?

00:45:41.140 The country is overwhelmingly pro-life.

00:45:44.740 The country is overwhelmingly opposed to late-term abortion.

00:45:51.300 The media don't want that story to get out.

00:45:53.840 That's why it's very important, not just to communicate on news and politics and commentary,

00:45:58.840 but to communicate through the culture.

00:46:01.080 They've tried to squash pro-life movies in the past.

00:46:04.000 This one seems to have managed to squeak through.

00:46:06.660 So go out and see it.

00:46:07.420 I can't wait to go out and see it.

00:46:08.380 We can talk about the movie itself coming up.

00:46:10.720 I'm going to go give a speech tonight at Drew University in Madison, New Jersey.

00:46:14.440 That's why I'm here in the Big Apple yet again.

00:46:17.420 It's going to be a great event with Young America's Foundation.

00:46:21.140 The tour rolls on.

00:46:22.940 The topic tonight is identity politics, and we will not be pulling any punches.

00:46:28.380 So check it out.

00:46:28.940 I think we're going to live stream it.

00:46:30.420 So if you're in town, come on by and say hello.

00:46:32.560 Otherwise, I'll see you on the internet, and I will see you tomorrow.

00:46:35.960 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:46:36.700 This is The Michael Knowles Show.

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00:47:05.700 Hey, guys, over on The Matt Wall Show today, a bunch of things to talk about.

00:47:10.320 First of all, there's a petition to shut down the speech that I'm supposed to give at Baylor

00:47:15.000 University next week.

00:47:16.840 It's got over 1,000 signatures so far.

00:47:19.260 We'll talk about that effort today on the show.

00:47:22.480 Also, a bunch of white people on Twitter over the weekend were confessing to their white privilege

00:47:27.780 and talking about all the ways that their whiteness has benefited them. 0.50

00:47:31.720 It's pretty absurd, but also kind of hilarious, I have to say.

00:47:34.780 So we'll talk about that.

00:47:36.040 And finally, a pro-life movie came out over the weekend, did very well at the box office,

00:47:41.040 but the powers that be are conspiring against it to try to stop people from watching it,

00:47:45.800 including giving it an R rating.

00:47:47.840 And the reason for that R rating is really ridiculous.

00:47:51.720 So we'll talk about that today as well on The Matt Wall Show.

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The Michael Knowles Show - April 01, 2019

Ep. 323 - The Cynical Attack On Joe Biden

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