Ep. 325 - Modern Love： Having Your Gay Son’s Baby
Summary
A 61-year-old woman has just given birth to her own granddaughter who was conceived by combining her daughter s egg with the sperm of her son s gay lover. Meanwhile, former Vice President Joe Biden is in trouble for smelling teenage girls' hair on the campaign trail. We will examine modern love with uncomfortable Joe Biden-like closeness, then President Trump hits the socialist nail on the head and National Poetry Month continues.
Transcript
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A 61-year-old woman has just given birth to her own granddaughter who was conceived by combining
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her daughter's egg with the sperm of her son's gay lover. Meanwhile, 76-year-old former Vice
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President Joe Biden is in trouble for smelling teenage girls' hair on the campaign trail.
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We will examine modern love with uncomfortable Joe Biden-like closeness. Then President Trump
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hits the socialist nail on the head and National Poetry Month continues. I'm Michael Knowles,
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It occurred to me as I was reading that open about the 61-year-old woman who gave birth to her own
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granddaughter with the sperm of her son's gay lover and her daughter's egg. That sounded like an Andrew
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61-year-old woman gives birth to her own granddaughter using the sperm of her son's gay lover and the egg
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of her daughter. Why do I even know about this story? Why is somebody telling me about this? Because
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this is being pushed by BuzzFeed, of course. This is not the first time that a grandmother has been a
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surrogate for one of her children. It's uncommon. You have to be in very good health to be a 61-year-old
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woman who can give birth and act as a surrogate. This isn't the first time this has happened before.
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However, I do believe this is the first time that a grandmother has given birth to her granddaughter
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using the sperm of her gay son's lover and the egg of the daughter. Here is how the piece begins in
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BuzzFeed. Quote, Matthew Elledge and Elliot Doherty of Omaha, Nebraska needed a surrogate to carry their
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baby. They never expected she would turn out to be Matthew's mother. First of all, yes, they obviously
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did expect this because they asked her to do it and the mother offered. So they did expect that. It
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doesn't, this doesn't just happen. Like they're trying to pass this off as though, wow, what a
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kooky, crazy thing happened. You know, I guess one night we all got drunk and the next thing you know,
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my mother is the surrogate giving birth to my daughter that is conceived by my lover and my sister.
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That doesn't just happen. This was all very planned out. This isn't just some kooky, weird,
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little natural thing that happened. This was schemed and planned out and it's a very terrible thing.
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Also, it happened in Omaha, Nebraska. Who saw that one coming? I was just in New York for the
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past few days. I was giving a speech in Jersey. You might expect that sort of thing to happen in
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New York, New Jersey, San Francisco, La La Land. You might, Omaha, Nebraska, that does worry me.
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We're talking about the heartland of America, this sort of thing happening there. Not a great sign
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for the culture. I'll spare you the 2000 word article or whatever it is. Here are just some
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highlights. We're very, very lucky, Matthew said. Even so, Matthew and Elliot's road to parenthood
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hasn't been without obstacles, as other LGBT parents around the country and particularly in
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Nebraska can attest. But the couple wanted to share their story, in part to prove that a family
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like theirs can thrive anywhere, even in the conservative heartland of the U.S.
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The language is the issue here. We'll get, we'll get to the facts of it in just a second. But the
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language is what, what I really take issue with. This is the, the Buzzfeed language, the popular
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left-wing language. They never expected this would happen. Of course they did. They planned it all out.
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Oh, their road to parenthood hasn't been without obstacles. Gee, you don't say two men trying to be
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parents together. That's not without obstacles. I can think of one pretty major obstacle that would,
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that would make that difficult. Of course it's with obstacles. What are the obstacles? What are
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we talking about? By the way, what road to parenthood? If you were to skim over this article,
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you would think that Elliot and Matthew conceived a child together. You, you would get that impression.
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Obviously it's, that's absurd. That is not possible for two men to conceive a child together.
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But you, you might think that because it's the road to parenthood, but they overcame those
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obstacles on the road to parenthood and now they're parents. Not so. That is not so. In the,
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in reality, in a biological sense, the biological parents of this kid are Matthew's sister and
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Elliot, who is Matthew's boyfriend or, or significant other or gay marriage, or I don't, I don't know the
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precise circumstances. There's a mother and a father here. The problem is the mother is out of
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the picture. And this obviously creates significant moral dilemmas that Buzzfeed is totally ignoring,
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totally running over. The piece goes on. They talk about how it's very expensive to do in vitro
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fertilization, to bring in surrogates, to do this, you have to pay X amount of money. And, and Matthew says,
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and that is literally the cheapest it could have been, said Matthew. Each cycle of egg retrieval
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and transfer can cost about $12,000, which the family only had to pay once since Cecile, the mother,
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got pregnant on the first try or the grandmother, I guess. Plus they didn't have to pay tens of
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thousands of dollars for donated eggs since Elliot's sister, Leah donated them for free.
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Listen to this clinical language. When we think about the miracle of life, when we think about the
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miracle of life as a metaphor for, as a real metaphor for the love that moves the sun and the
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other stars, when we think about what, when kids ask, Hey, mommy and daddy, where do babies come from?
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What's the answer? What is the cliche answer? Well, when a mommy and a daddy love each other very much,
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a baby is produced. And that's actually the best answer you can give. When a mommy and a daddy love each
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other very much, in a, in a very literal way, in a physical way, they love each other, they make love.
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And then in a spiritual way, the child, this child, which is body and soul, body and spirit,
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is the spiritual product of that love as well. Now listen to this description. Each cycle of egg retrieval
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and transfer costs a lot of money. But luckily, Cecile got pregnant on the first try. And they didn't
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have to pay for donated eggs because Elliot's sister, Leah, donated them for free. She didn't donate
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anything. She's the mother who is producing a child that she will have no accountability toward,
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no responsibility for, no more of a relationship with than she wants, than is convenient, than is
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comfortable for an aunt. A false relationship to pretend to be an aunt when you're really a mother.
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That sort of language, how dehumanizing, how yucky, how, I think there is a good phrase in the
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bioethical community that Leon Kass used very much, the bioethicist Leon Kass, who said that
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there is a wisdom of repugnance. I don't care who you are. I don't care how liberal you are,
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how left-wing, how progressive, how forward-thinking, how LGBT, LMNOP friendly, how all of these things.
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It doesn't matter how much you are. When you read that, there is a certain spiritual repugnance that
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you have toward this. There's something that you read, you say, gosh, that's just not quite right.
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It's just not quite right for a grandmother to give birth to her own granddaughter, which is really,
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who is really the product of her daughter and her son's lover. There's just something not quite right
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about this. Well, what's not quite right? It's sometimes difficult to articulate, but especially
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for people who consider themselves very progressive, very open-minded, very forward-thinking.
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But we know it's true. We just know it deep down. Now, we can articulate this. The trouble is,
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if we oppose something like this, we are maligned as haters. They say, you hate gay people.
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Where'd you get that from? Where'd you get that idea from? You hate, you're anti-science. No, well,
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no. Science is science. Science is knowledge. Science creates technology, and some of that is good,
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and some of that's bad, and some of it's neutral, and it can be used for good or bad things.
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And some things are good, and some things such as this are bad, because what is not mentioned in
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this article, what's not mentioned, BuzzFeed totally overlooks it, is the victim here.
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All of these crazy scientific experiments produced a daughter who is being intentionally deprived of
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her mother. Elliot's sister, Leah, donated the eggs for free. No, she's a mother.
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A mother who all of you schemed, schemed about, and created a child, a daughter in particular,
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who will not have a mother-daughter relationship with her own mother because of your selfish desires.
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That is very bad. That's a very bad thing. That's the victim here.
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Oh, she'll be fine. Oh, the kid will be raised fine. Yeah, I guess. Probably. I don't know. Maybe.
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Maybe the kid will be raised just great. Well, a child, it would be better for a child to be raised
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by two gay parents than, two good gay parents than two bad straight parents. Yeah, okay, maybe. Maybe
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that's true. Sure. But that's not even really what we're talking about here. We're not talking about a
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child being adopted to a good gay, really nice, caring, compassionate gay parents, or really bad,
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awful, terrible straight parents. We are talking about intentionally producing a child who will be
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deprived of her mother because you and your boyfriend want to have a child even though that
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is biologically impossible. And so you scheme, you contrive every way using modern science and modern,
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shallow, incorrect moral philosophy to say, we're going to use, well, the sister is kind of like
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the brother, so we're going to use that egg. And then it's kind of like it's the daughter, but not
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quite. And then we're going to, no one wants to care. So we'll use the grandmother to carry the,
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there was a meme that was going around the internet. It said, uh, future genealogists someday looking at
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this family tree. And it's just that video, the gif of that comedian who's, uh, uh, uh, what, uh, uh,
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cross-eyed looking all crazy. There are consequences to, there are other people involved. It's not just
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about your desires. And I don't just mean to invade against this gay couple and the strange grandmother
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and the thoughtless sister. That's not, they're, they're not the only problem here. This is a broader
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problem of designer babies of an inversion of the natural order, which is that we have children to
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give our love, the love that created us, the love that created everything around us that gives us
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life. We pass that love along selflessly to a child. We don't create a little designer baby because
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you feel that something is lacking in your own life. That is utterly selfish. That is utterly opposite
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of the natural order of giving life and creating children, begetting children. Also, another victim
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that, of course, BuzzFeed isn't going to talk about here are the ostensibly additional frozen embryos,
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uh, embryos that are either frozen or destroyed. Because when you do IVF, as, as Matthew L. Edge says here,
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it's very, very expensive. So usually what you do is you fertilize multiple eggs. So you create
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multiple little embryos. You create little individual human lives and then you implant one
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or you implant three and then one takes and you take, kill the other four, or you just freeze a
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bunch of them. Either way, you're creating multiple individual human lives and then either destroying
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them or freezing them, suspending them in time. Those are victims too. And moreover, justice is a victim
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here. It is, that is wrong to do. That is selfish to do. That is taking what should be the ultimate
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act of selflessness, begetting, creating a child, and inverting that and making it all about yourself.
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We're only going to see this continue. We're going to see gene editing technology. We're going to see,
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uh, much more of this in the future. That's a scary thing because we no longer possess a vocabulary
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to discuss difficult moral issues and difficult bioethical issues. As we begin to think of people
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as just flesh, as just meat and bones. And yeah, what if I put these two things together? Sister's
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egg, lover's sperm, put them together, put them in the mother's womb. Oh, you know, whatever. Who
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cares? It's all just flesh, right? The more we think about it that way, the more we will be unable
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to discuss bioethical questions because we're not just flesh. As Winston Churchill said,
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when great forces are on the move in the world, we learn that we're spirits, not animals.
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The destiny of man is not measured by material computations. And as material computations take
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over and base and selfish desires take over, we're going to have a much more troublesome destiny
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of man to look at. Speaking of modern love, can't forget about creepy Joe. Creepy Joe Biden getting
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hit from all sides. You know, I'm defending him. I'm still defending him on the argument,
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but politically it's very difficult to defend him. Here's a great attack ad that just came out
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from one of the pro-Trump packs on poor old creepy Joe.
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It happened also suddenly, very unexpectedly, out of nowhere. I feel Joe Biden put his hands on my
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shoulders, get up very close to me from behind, lean in, smell my hair, and then plant a slow kiss
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on the top of my head. To have the vice president of the United States do that to me so unexpectedly
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and just kind of out of nowhere, it was just shocking. It was shocking because you don't expect
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that kind of intimate behavior. You don't expect that kind of intimacy from someone so powerful
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and someone who you just have no relationship whatsoever to touch you and to feel you and to
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Oh, that is a juicy attack ad. That's a really good attack ad. So I'd like to make two points here.
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One, I don't think Joe Biden has really done anything wrong. What Joe Biden is, is an unctuous
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politician who goes out and presses the flesh to use a particularly vivid phrase. And his whole
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shtick is he just seduces voters, right? I mean, that's what politicians like Joe Biden do.
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They go out and they have their nice shiny teeth and that smile and they go up and they say, you know,
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you, ah, you're great. I really care about you. And they're flirting, but it's in a, it's in a,
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not a romantic way. We have never heard a story about Joe Biden getting an apartment in DC while he's
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a senator and bringing his mistresses all around. And we've never heard that story. What we have heard
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is that Joe Biden is a little weird and he's too affectionate on the campaign trail, which is true.
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Those are different things. The second point I want to make here is that this is a great political
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attack. This is a terrific political attack. And if I were running against Joe Biden, I would play
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that video all day long because it doesn't really matter to voters whether he's some sexual predator
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or whether he's some cat or whether he's some womanizer, or if he's just kind of creepy and he's,
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it just doesn't look good on camera. There's no difference in the mind of voters. And so
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absolutely, if I were running against Joe Biden in the Democrat primary, I would use it against him.
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If I were running against him in the general election, which will never happen because he's
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not going to get that far, I totally would use that against him. The other day, Donald Trump used
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this line about Joe Biden. He said, I was in Iraq. I was talking to the generals there. I said,
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I love you so much. I just want to kiss you. I felt just like Joe Biden. You know, he's just using,
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Joe Biden has become a punchline. That's why what he's done is politically indefensible.
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Joe Biden cannot afford to be a punchline this early on. Beto right now is fighting the same exact
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thing. Some candidates have avoided this. Kamala Harris is not really that much of a punchline yet.
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Sanders actually is not really that much of a punchline yet. Liz Warren is a punchline. It's
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why she's not going anywhere. Joe Biden is dangerously in this territory.
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Consequently, or coincidentally, Joe Biden is blaming Bernie Sanders' camp for these attacks.
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It is a little curious. This first woman who came out, Lucy Flores,
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is a member of a pro-Sanders campaign group, Our Revolution. She's been a pro-Sanders activist for
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years now. And she comes out and she says, oh yes, the vice president put his hands on my shoulders.
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I've never felt so unsafe. Oh my gosh, it was harrowing. I'm going through PTSD because the
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vice president gave, like put his hands on me, on his, on my shoulders briefly when he was campaigning
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for me, which I asked him to do. Okay, whatever. It sure seems like a political attack to me.
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Now there's a second accuser. This woman from Connecticut says that then Vice President Joe
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Biden touched her inappropriately at a Greenwich fundraiser in 2009. I'm so torn on this because
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I, the Democrats use this against us all the time. A second accuser, all these women that must be true,
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inappropriate touching. She made him feel, he made her feel uncomfortable. So I really want to use
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this against Joe Biden, but it's just not fair. Here's what the woman says from Connecticut. She
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says, quote, it wasn't sexual, but he did grab me by the head. He put his hand around my neck and
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pulled me in to rub noses with me. When he was pulling me in, I thought he was going to kiss me on
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the mouth. What, you thought he was going to kiss you on the mouth, but it wasn't sexual? No, what you're
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saying is objectively, this wasn't sexual, but subjectively, I could misinterpret it to appear to be
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sexual. That's what she's saying in that one sentence. And what did he do? I'm sure Joe Biden
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does this all the time. This is his whole thing. Ah, I'm the, I'm the guy. We're really close. We're
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really good friends. I'm grandfatherly. Ah, I love you so much. Ah, I love you. If I were 10 years
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younger, ah, wink, wink, smile, smile, vote for me. It's just an unctuous politician.
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By the way, apparently his wife does this too. There's this photo of his wife kissing Jeff Bezos on the
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mouth, not in some saucy, you know, car or in a motel room or something. She did it at a podium
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at the white house because they're the, the Bidens are very affectionate because they're that kind of
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politician. Okay. Now there are a couple other people who are coming out. Uh, now this same woman,
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this same woman in Connecticut said, I never filed a complaint to be honest, because he was the vice
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president. I was a nobody. There's absolutely a line of decency. There's a line of respect
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crossing that line is not grandfatherly. It's not cultural. It's not affection. It's sexism or
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misogyny. Misogyny means the hatred of women. You're telling me that Joe Biden coming up and
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saying, ah, yeah, you're great. Ah, you're terrific. That expresses a hatred of women.
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That it's the same thing. Joe Biden coming up to you and saying, ah, I love you, honey. And putting his
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hands, giving you a little shoulder massage and an abusive husband punching his wife's lights out.
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Those are the same thing. That's what she's saying. Because these women are obviously engaged
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in a political hit job, which is totally baseless, which is totally cynical, which is totally wrong
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to actual victims of, uh, sexual violence. Really awful stuff. And this is, here's how you know,
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here's how you know that this woman from Connecticut is a joke and a cynical joke at that.
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She ends her accusation. She says, if Biden truly supports women and gender equality,
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he would step aside and support one of the many talented and qualified women running.
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Oh yeah. Is that right? Oh, I didn't, who knew it was that easy?
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This is extortion like the mob does. The Me Too movement has become just as extortionist as any
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mafia family in New York. Say, yeah, you know, that's, uh, that's a really, uh, really nice campaign
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you got there. She would be, uh, she would be a shame if somebody accused you of being a rapist.
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Yeah, no, it's a nice, you got an early, nice political career there. Well, it sure would be
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a shame if you got Me Too'd. I'll tell you what, we'll make us a little deal. You drop out of the
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race. You endorse one of these very well-qualified female candidates over here. And maybe we forget
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the whole thing happened and you're a wonderful supporter of women's equality. How's that sound,
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huh? And make a little deal. You scratch my back. Well, you better not scratch my back no more
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and I'll scratch yours. Okay. That's what they're doing. They're talking just like little mobsters.
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And so I'm, I'm totally with Joe in, in dismissing this, this obvious attack.
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I'm not the only one, by the way. Whoopi Goldberg agrees with me. We'll get to that in one second.
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But first, got a second by the Facebook and YouTube. We have so much more coming up. We get
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a little bit more into Joe. We get a little bit more into Trump and AOC and the Green New Deal. We
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even get into National Poetry Month. But it's 10 bucks a month, $100 for an annual
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up tomorrow, I believe. Is it Wednesday already? Gosh, the time just flies when you're having fun,
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when you're drinking covfefe. You will also get the Leftist Tears Tumblr. This is what you need.
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Oh, the Me Too boomerang swings back and it's knocking down the Democrats' best candidate for the
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general election. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Get the Tumblr. We'll be right back with a lot more.
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Politics makes for strange bedfellows. As we speak about modern love, an apt phrase.
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I'm now defending Joe Biden and I'm agreeing with Whoopi Goldberg, who is summing up this
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situation pretty well. Now, Biden responded that in all his years on the campaign trail,
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he does never believe he's acted inappropriately. So he'll listen respectfully to Flores.
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But it was never his intention. Now, should she have spoken to him about this before she went on
00:25:24.480
television about it? Or, I mean, is it, you know, listen, in the old days, we would call
00:25:30.760
Joe, some folks of a certain age would say he's a little overly familiar. Yeah. Okay. But most
00:25:37.060
politicians, when they're, you know, doing this with you and, you know, they are. And Joe is,
00:25:42.020
Joe is a hands-on kind of guy. Yeah, he is. But no one, I've never heard anyone. And she says she
00:25:48.780
felt violated. And I have to take her at her word. But it would have been nice if she had turned him
00:25:54.400
and said, you know what, Jay, I don't really like this. Please don't do this. Or not, Mr. Vice
00:25:59.800
President, I'm not really comfortable with that. Something, because he's standing right there.
00:26:03.580
No, it's hard to say to somebody who's sniffing your hair. No, it's not. Somebody touches you
00:26:07.840
inappropriately. Exactly right, Whoopi. Whoopi is exactly right. Joy Behar is exactly wrong.
00:26:14.460
Because listen to that disagreement there. Whoopi says, you know, if this woman is going to wait
00:26:20.200
however many years and come out and say, when Joe Biden put his hands on my shoulders, it made me
00:26:25.240
uncomfortable. Therefore, he's basically a rapist. It might've been nice to say in the moment, hey,
00:26:30.320
Mr. Vice President, please don't touch me. And then I'm sure he would have said, okay, honey,
00:26:35.180
yeah, I love you. Vote for me. Vote for me. Okay. And it would have been fine.
00:26:39.860
It would have been nice to just say it. You know, you're an adult. You're a person. You're not just
00:26:43.520
a delicate little flower all the time, right? Isn't this such an irony with the feminist movement.
00:26:48.040
We're told women are strong. Women are capable. Women are just as rational and direct as men.
00:26:54.700
And then we're told, oh, I could never tell someone my feelings. Oh, I could never. No. I could
00:27:00.360
never express my opinion. No, please save me. Save me. Bernie, 10 years later or whatever.
00:27:07.920
She said, just go and just say, hey man, please don't do that. That's how adults deal with things.
00:27:13.040
And what does Joy Behar say? He says, oh, that's so hard to do. That's so hard to say. And Whoopi
00:27:18.860
doesn't let her get away with it. Whoopi says, no, it's not. It's not hard to say. Hey, look,
00:27:23.380
I got a mouth. I got vocal cords. I have a brain. I can turn my body to face him and say, hey,
00:27:30.740
please don't do that. It's not hard. It's very easy. The professional victim crowd wants to pretend
00:27:38.600
that you, oh, you could never say that. How can you expect a rational human being to talk?
00:27:44.840
How could you? You couldn't expect that. But Whoopi's right. Now there are two more women coming out of
00:27:49.360
the closet. Caitlin Caruso, former college student, said that at an event, Mr. Joe Biden
00:27:57.220
put his hand on her thigh. And then she squirmed a little to show her discomfort. But he hugged her
00:28:05.540
just a little too long. This was at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. I have no doubt that Joe Biden
00:28:12.520
put his hand on her thigh or on her leg or on her knee or on her shoulder or wherever. But look,
00:28:17.840
she says, and I even squirmed a little to show my discomfort. Here's another way you can show your
00:28:22.440
discomfort. Hey, please don't do that. Or move. You can also move. You don't need to. And I was so
00:28:27.520
clear to him. I did this. It was so clear. How could anyone misinterpret that? That I was calling him
00:28:34.660
a rapist and telling him to get away from me. I practically pulled out the pepper spray. I
00:28:38.380
practically pulled out the bear mace. No, you didn't. You have to articulate what you're thinking.
00:28:43.960
We're not mind readers. You can't read somebody's mind. Women can't read men's minds. Men can't read
00:28:52.000
women's minds. That's why we have language so that we can speak. Or she could have just turned away
00:28:57.040
rather than squirming a little to show her discomfort. She could have said, or she could
00:29:01.800
have even come out and said, I felt totally violated at the time. But she didn't. She waited
00:29:08.300
until it was politically convenient until the one minute that Joe Biden is about to announce for
00:29:12.440
president. And then all of a sudden, then the attack comes out. Another person, 59-year-old DJ Hill
00:29:18.580
said that when she and her husband were having her photo taken by Joe Biden, Biden put his hand on her
00:29:25.000
shoulder and then started dropping it down her back, which made her very uncomfortable. Again,
00:29:31.500
that's a you problem, darling. That's not an objective issue. You're taking, how do you take photos?
00:29:37.840
I'm going to say, I'm a little, uh, I'm a little, uh, sensitive to this because I have to take photos
00:29:43.300
all the time. When I go to these college campuses, I take a hundred photos every time. And I actually
00:29:47.340
joke sometimes when we're taking a photo, you know, you put your arms on somebody. If they're
00:29:51.300
very short, then you put their arms on their, on their, uh, shoulders. If they're not, you put the
00:29:55.920
arms on the back right behind them. And I joke, I'll say, okay, when we're getting ready for this
00:29:59.780
photo, everybody stand forward. I don't want to accidentally touch somebody somewhere and get me
00:30:04.440
intoed. Ha ha ha. And then it's a joke. And we make this joke because of bogus accusations like
00:30:10.300
this. How do you take a photo with somebody? You put your hand on their back. That's it. That's
00:30:17.440
every photo. Or I guess you could have your hands at your sides and maybe take like a crossed over
00:30:22.680
your, have them out in the other direction. So there's no chance you ever touch them. No, you,
00:30:26.560
when you're taking a photo, first of all, I don't think Joe Biden asked to take a photo with 59 year
00:30:30.920
old DJ Hill. Something tells me 59 year old DJ Hill asked to take a photo with the vice president.
00:30:37.600
And so he graciously says, sure. And they're taking what is a familiar photo. And he puts his hand on
00:30:44.280
her back, on her back. He's not grabbing her tookus. He's not reaching over, grabbing her chest. No,
00:30:51.780
he's got his hand on her back. And she said, it made me feel very uncomfortable. Well, that's a you
00:30:55.740
problem. That's not a Joe Biden problem. How about, and how about you say, oh, don't put your hand on
00:31:01.780
my back. I have a very sensitive back or whatever. No, you can't. I wonder, I mean, this is such a
00:31:07.460
frivolous attack on Joe Biden. I don't really care because I don't like Joe Biden. So it's fine if it's
00:31:12.220
going to take him out, whatever. I mean, you know, it's your primary guys. I'm not a Democrat. I'm not
00:31:17.280
voting in it. You can do whatever you want, dummies. But I wonder how much of our sexual culture that
00:31:24.120
we're talking about. Modern love, all this weirdo, bizarre relationships between men and women
00:31:29.940
could be explained by Whoopi Goldberg's advice. Could be explained by this sort of political attack.
00:31:37.160
When I did my blank book, Reasons to Vote for Democrats, that was not the first blank book ever.
00:31:41.140
There have been dozens of blank books throughout history. One of the best-selling blank books,
00:31:44.980
sold a million copies, is called Everything Men Know About Women. And it's a great book. It has a very
00:31:51.760
similar content to my book. And I think that book is truer now than ever. I think they should
00:31:56.340
re-release it. It'll sell a zillion more copies. Because this is not a normal way for men and women
00:32:04.180
to interact with each other. Sexual difference is one of the greatest things under the sun. It is one
00:32:10.700
of the reasons to get out of bed in the morning. Coincidentally, it's a reason to get into bed as well.
00:32:14.780
So it really encompasses much of the experience of the world.
00:32:20.820
But the way that we're talking about it now does not compute, does not make any sense.
00:32:26.780
We're talking about now cycles of egg retrieval and transfer. We're talking about donated eggs.
00:32:34.500
We're talking about all of these clinical things. Surrogacy. We're talking about...
00:32:39.780
We're talking about... That's how we're primarily talking about it in the culture. We're talking
00:32:44.240
about how uncomfortable you feel if a guy that you've asked to take a photo with put his hand
00:32:48.960
on your back. We're talking about how we can't... I mean, now the joke, you see all these comedy
00:32:55.760
sketches of... South Park did this too with PC Principle. Before a man and a woman are going to go,
00:33:01.420
you know, go necking up on lover's point, they need to go get a contract notarized saying,
00:33:07.480
I give my consent to kiss somebody on the cheek and I give this. How clinical. How inhuman. What an
00:33:13.760
awful way to live. How much of the campus sexual crisis would be explained by this? There was an
00:33:19.920
article that came out about the hookup culture, which is ubiquitous, which it is everywhere. And
00:33:25.260
basically everybody is participating in it. And they say, it is a little weird. We get really,
00:33:31.580
really drunk and then we go hook up with people that we barely know. And we all willingly do it
00:33:36.120
because we don't know how to socialize. We don't know how to relate to one another. I wonder how
00:33:40.320
much of this is caused by the lies that gender ideology has sold to us. That there's no difference
00:33:45.640
between the sexes. There's no physical difference. There's no spiritual difference. There's no
00:33:50.820
psychological difference. It's all the same. And when we believe that lie for long enough,
00:33:56.600
we're in this bizarre place where Whoopi Goldberg has to be the voice of reason and say,
00:34:02.120
hey guys, if you're having trouble communicating men, how about you just tell them what you're
00:34:06.040
thinking? How about you just tell them what you're feeling? A bizarre sexual and modern love
00:34:12.700
culture. Do we have, we have a little bit of time. We can get to Donald Trump's glorious
00:34:18.320
showing last night. Donald Trump was giving a presser on the Green New Deal, on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
00:34:26.760
And most importantly, he says he's going to postpone the Republican health care plan until 2020. This
00:34:32.880
has created a big uproar because initially he said, we've got the best health care plan. We're
00:34:36.960
going to give you a great health care plan. Then he backed off. He said, we're not going to get it
00:34:40.020
done until 2020. This was a great idea, a very, very good idea to postpone it. If they'd been proposing
00:34:48.020
it, this would become the central issue of the 2020 campaign. And it's an issue that Republicans lose
00:34:54.560
on. And why is health care an issue that Republicans lose on? Donald Trump explains it well in this
00:35:01.560
address at the NRCC. It should be easy. It'll be interesting to see. But don't underestimate the power
00:35:10.180
of socialism to get a vote. It's what happens over a 10 year period when the country is destroyed. But
00:35:17.100
they don't care about that. When they say we're going to give you free education, we're going to give
00:35:22.380
you free health care. We're going to not have you pay your loans for college. We're going to give
00:35:28.440
you free everything. Everything is free. It's very seductive to people. It's not going to be so easy
00:35:37.040
like you think. Now, in 10 years, it's going to be easy when the country goes to hell, because that's
00:35:44.560
what happens. The country goes to hell. Happened many times. Look at Venezuela. I mean, this was the
00:35:51.160
richest country in that whole hemisphere. I mean, outside of us, it was one of the richest countries
00:35:57.260
in the world. And now they have no food. They have no electric. They have nothing. It's sad.
00:36:07.140
Never underestimate the ability of socialism to get a vote. This is a brilliant insight that
00:36:15.020
President Trump is articulating. This is why we can't talk about health care before 2020.
00:36:21.220
Because what we are competing on is they're saying, hey, we're going to give you everything
00:36:25.700
for free. And we're saying, hey, you know, commodities and goods and services cost money.
00:36:32.000
And so there have got to be balances and exchanges. And if you're going to liberalize in this area,
00:36:37.280
and if you're going to make this a little more accessible to bring costs down, that's going to
00:36:41.980
limit care in this area and this and that. And you're going to lose on that. Because you should
00:36:47.200
never underestimate the ability of socialism to get a vote. Never underestimate. Someone says,
00:36:52.660
hey, everything's going to be free. It's so simple. It's so clear.
00:36:59.440
We lose against socialist policies when the policies are vague. And the socialist health care
00:37:07.480
policy from Democrats is vague. They call it Medicare for all. Why do they call it
00:37:11.840
Medicare for all? Because that phrase tests very well. Medicare, oh, that's nice. People get free
00:37:15.780
health care. And my grandmother likes it. Okay, Medicare for all. What does Medicare for all really
00:37:20.500
mean? It means fully socialist health care. So when you start to explain to people what Medicare for all
00:37:26.080
means, how much it's going to cost them in taxes, how everyone's taxes are going to go up, how it's
00:37:32.120
going to reduce the quality of care, how it's going to reduce medical innovation, how it's going to
00:37:36.420
ration care by the government. When you explain all that to them, the popularity of Medicare for all
00:37:41.040
plummets. But when it's vague, when it's just vague, which is how it's going to be fought in the 2020
00:37:45.860
campaign, it's very popular. Now, conversely, we win when socialist policies are specific. This is why
00:37:55.280
the Green New Deal is so beneficial to Republicans and conservatives. We love AOC came out. AOC is running
00:38:03.840
away like the little Roadrunner cartoon from the Green New Deal, which she authored, which she
00:38:11.520
personally released, which she personally pushed, which she personally made her central issue,
00:38:17.360
which she personally got all these Senate Democrats to co-sponsor and endorse. And then
00:38:23.520
when that reality sunk in, now she's running away from it. Everybody's running away from it. Because
00:38:29.100
when socialist policies are specific, we win. President Trump identifies this exactly right.
00:38:34.120
I'm only afraid that we're going to be too hard on the Green New Deal. And they're not going to do it
00:38:39.440
because I want them to do it. We don't want to have them knock it out before we get to run against it.
00:38:44.200
So let's take it easy. I'm actually saying it's a wonderful thing. The Green New Deal done by a young
00:38:50.420
bartender, 29 years old, a young bartender, wonderful young woman, the Green New Deal.
00:38:59.860
You know, but it's crazy. You know, the first time I heard it, I said, that's the craziest thing.
00:39:04.020
You have senators that are professionals that you guys know that have been there for a long time,
00:39:08.520
white hair, everything perfect. And they're standing behind her and they're shaking. They're petrified of
00:39:13.480
her. We support the Green New Deal. How about the woman from Hawaii, the senator from Hawaii,
00:39:18.860
highly nice woman, right? Oh, I'm glad I didn't say it. I'm going to get great points from my wife
00:39:27.220
for not saying that. But she was so angry to men, right? Remember, she was screaming at men. And then
00:39:34.260
they asked her about the Green New Deal. I love it. They said, yeah, but you don't allow airplanes
00:39:39.140
anymore. So you can't get to Hawaii. Oh, we have to work on something. So somebody jokingly said,
00:39:45.420
we'll build a train to Hawaii. And she actually thought it was a decent idea.
00:39:51.480
So now she supports it because she thinks they're going to build a train to Hawaii.
00:39:56.500
But they really believe this stuff. And you know, it's like, it's the craziest thing. They believe it.
00:40:02.540
This is President Trump at his best. It's him doing a standup set, right? This is, this is a guy who has
00:40:09.540
grown up in show business. He has been a king of show business. And he is doing a standup set.
00:40:15.180
He might as well get out there smoking a cigarette with the one spotlight on him and a stool. Says,
00:40:20.420
so what's the deal with this Green New Deal, huh? What's that about? How are they going to do it?
00:40:24.260
The senator from Hawaii says that she supports the Green New Deal. It's going to outlaw airplanes.
00:40:28.960
What's she going to do? Take a train back to Washington? Yeah, she's going to take a train back
00:40:33.680
to Washington. That's a good idea. That's what they're going to do. Am I right? He's,
00:40:37.240
he's treating it like a standup set. And I think this is admirable because he is totally eviscerating
00:40:44.000
the Green New Deal here. I mean, this is, we talked about this with Joe Biden. This is the
00:40:50.960
great fear is to become a punchline. You can be hated. You can be maligned. They can call you Hitler.
00:40:58.240
That is better than becoming a punchline. And the Green New Deal is a punchline. AOC is really in
00:41:04.460
trouble right now because she has become a punchline. And she doesn't, see Donald Trump,
00:41:09.760
when they try to turn him into a punchline, he wins. So he comes back and beats them. So he's
00:41:14.120
not a punchline. If he lost in 2016, he'd be a punchline. But he didn't. He won. So then he
00:41:19.360
became Hitler. So then they call him a Nazi. Then they call him a fascist. Then they call him all
00:41:22.900
manner of evil. The Green New Deal has become a punchline because the point he's making is that
00:41:30.300
socialists never have to answer for their terrible policies because it takes 10 years for socialism
00:41:34.540
to destroy a country. Maybe even a little bit longer. This is what happened in Venezuela.
00:41:38.920
Destroyed that country and they never have to answer the people who supported it in the first place.
00:41:43.440
But when it gets really specific, you can drill down and you look at that image that he gives you.
00:41:49.040
Donald Trump does this all the time. He creates these great images. Scott Adams talks about this
00:41:53.440
a lot. That image you have in your mind is Mazie Hirono, the senator from Hawaii, can't fly back to
00:42:00.080
Washington. So she's going to build a train. Now you picture train tracks going across the whole
00:42:04.700
Pacific Ocean from Hawaii to California. Then she's just taken that train. Now I support the Green New
00:42:10.460
Deal. What a great image in your mind. Turns it into a total joke, a total stand-up set.
00:42:16.700
And he couldn't do this stand-up act without the material from the Democrats.
00:42:22.280
You can't just do it. You can't just try to be Trump. You can't just out-Trump Trump. That isn't
00:42:29.120
going to happen. This, it requires this sort of material. You know, actually Al Sharpton made this
00:42:35.940
point. Just that he said, you can't out-Trump Trump. And he's exactly right.
00:42:39.960
And you know, I think that one of the important things taken off what Willie said about
00:42:44.260
tough, toughen-up take on Trump. You know, as an old boxing fan, I learned don't fight the other
00:42:50.640
guys' fight. I think it's a big mistake to try to out-Trump Trump. I think what you've got to do is
00:42:56.540
do your own fight plan. And it will trip Trump up. I think some of the mistakes that was made by
00:43:02.880
the Republican opponents in the Republican primaries is they tried to go tit for tat with him rather
00:43:08.680
than raise the level of discussion, deal with the issues and concern of people. Talk over Trump,
00:43:14.640
because what he's saying is nonsense. And if you make sense, people will choose something better.
00:43:19.900
Clean glass is always going to be chosen over dirty glass if you give them the option.
00:43:25.180
So he goes off on his partisan spiel at the end, but he's right in the main point, which is that
00:43:29.660
you can't out-Trump Trump. You can't do somebody better than he does. And I think that's,
00:43:35.380
a lot of the appeal of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was, oh, she's kind of like our Trump. She gets
00:43:41.320
a lot of media. She says outrageous things. Yeah, she's going to be our Trump. You can't out-Trump
00:43:46.800
Trump. You can't win it at someone else's game. And that's what you see here. I mean, this Green
00:43:53.400
New Deal debacle is truly a catastrophe for her. I think it makes her a punchline. I think it basically
00:43:59.840
ends this as an issue in 2020. They're going to try to revive it, but it really hurts it.
00:44:03.920
And how does she come back? She's now running away from the policy she wrote. She's blaming
00:44:10.380
it on a staffer. She's telling senators that they shouldn't vote for her policy. Really
00:44:16.560
tough thing, the Green New Deal. And a great example of when we get really specific on
00:44:21.780
their policies, we can wreck them because of the reality of it. It's National Poetry Month.
00:44:26.140
And so because we were talking about the Green New Deal here at the end, I just want to read
00:44:29.540
a very simple little poem from a great poet named Joyce Kilmer. He was killed in World War I
00:44:36.180
at the age of 31. So he didn't have the ability to mature into a really great poet. But this is a
00:44:42.840
popular little poem. And when conservatives talk about the environment, sometimes because we want
00:44:48.220
to show how wrong leftist environmentalism is, we, I think, go too far. We say, who cares about the
00:44:55.940
environment? We'll destroy the environment. No, the environment in its natural place, which is for
00:45:01.180
us to enjoy because it is part of God's creation, that's a good place for it. And so this is a poem
00:45:07.000
called Trees. It was made into a song in, I believe, 1948 or something like that. Here's the poem.
00:45:13.780
I think that I shall never see a poem lovely as a tree, a tree whose hungry mouth is pressed
00:45:19.320
against the sweet earth's flowing breast, a tree that looks at God all day and lifts her leafy arms
00:45:24.740
to pray, a tree that may in summer wear a nest of robins in her hair, upon whose bosom snow has lain,
00:45:31.020
who intimately lives with rain. Poems are made by fools like me, but only God can make a tree.
00:45:37.240
When we talk about the environment, we look at it as part of the majesty of creation as a way to look
00:45:47.140
at that and then look up toward the creator. When we look at modern love, this is an important thing.
00:45:52.160
Poems are made by fools like me, but only God can make a tree. When you look at the natural order
00:45:57.620
in all of its majesty, it is an awesome thing. It fills you with wonder. And when you go in there
00:46:04.380
and you think you can do it better, when you think fools like us can do it all better,
00:46:09.700
tinker all of it around, invert it from what it really is, you get to really bizarre,
00:46:18.540
really morally chaotic outcomes, such as a grandmother giving birth to her granddaughter
00:46:24.860
with the sperm of her gay son's lover and the egg of her daughter.
00:46:30.180
Modern love, do, do, do, do. All right, that's our show. Tune in tomorrow.
00:46:34.100
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00:46:37.980
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