The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 325 - Modern Love： Having Your Gay Son’s Baby

00:00:00.000 A 61-year-old woman has just given birth to her own granddaughter who was conceived by combining

00:00:06.220 her daughter's egg with the sperm of her son's gay lover. Meanwhile, 76-year-old former Vice 0.64

00:00:12.440 President Joe Biden is in trouble for smelling teenage girls' hair on the campaign trail.

00:00:17.540 We will examine modern love with uncomfortable Joe Biden-like closeness. Then President Trump

00:00:24.480 hits the socialist nail on the head and National Poetry Month continues. I'm Michael Knowles,

00:00:29.720 and this is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:00:38.120 It occurred to me as I was reading that open about the 61-year-old woman who gave birth to her own

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00:02:25.320 61-year-old woman gives birth to her own granddaughter using the sperm of her son's gay lover and the egg 0.99

00:02:33.760 of her daughter. Why do I even know about this story? Why is somebody telling me about this? Because

00:02:40.520 this is being pushed by BuzzFeed, of course. This is not the first time that a grandmother has been a

00:02:46.920 surrogate for one of her children. It's uncommon. You have to be in very good health to be a 61-year-old

00:02:52.640 woman who can give birth and act as a surrogate. This isn't the first time this has happened before. 0.91

00:02:58.120 However, I do believe this is the first time that a grandmother has given birth to her granddaughter

00:03:02.260 using the sperm of her gay son's lover and the egg of the daughter. Here is how the piece begins in 0.97

00:03:10.600 BuzzFeed. Quote, Matthew Elledge and Elliot Doherty of Omaha, Nebraska needed a surrogate to carry their

00:03:17.640 baby. They never expected she would turn out to be Matthew's mother. First of all, yes, they obviously

00:03:24.140 did expect this because they asked her to do it and the mother offered. So they did expect that. It

00:03:28.620 doesn't, this doesn't just happen. Like they're trying to pass this off as though, wow, what a

00:03:33.240 kooky, crazy thing happened. You know, I guess one night we all got drunk and the next thing you know,

00:03:39.060 my mother is the surrogate giving birth to my daughter that is conceived by my lover and my sister.

00:03:46.780 That doesn't just happen. This was all very planned out. This isn't just some kooky, weird,

00:03:50.480 little natural thing that happened. This was schemed and planned out and it's a very terrible thing.

00:03:54.980 Also, it happened in Omaha, Nebraska. Who saw that one coming? I was just in New York for the

00:04:00.220 past few days. I was giving a speech in Jersey. You might expect that sort of thing to happen in

00:04:04.300 New York, New Jersey, San Francisco, La La Land. You might, Omaha, Nebraska, that does worry me.

00:04:09.600 We're talking about the heartland of America, this sort of thing happening there. Not a great sign

00:04:13.740 for the culture. I'll spare you the 2000 word article or whatever it is. Here are just some

00:04:19.440 highlights. We're very, very lucky, Matthew said. Even so, Matthew and Elliot's road to parenthood

00:04:27.060 hasn't been without obstacles, as other LGBT parents around the country and particularly in 0.89

00:04:33.360 Nebraska can attest. But the couple wanted to share their story, in part to prove that a family

00:04:38.900 like theirs can thrive anywhere, even in the conservative heartland of the U.S.

00:04:43.960 The language is the issue here. We'll get, we'll get to the facts of it in just a second. But the

00:04:51.860 language is what, what I really take issue with. This is the, the Buzzfeed language, the popular

00:04:56.480 left-wing language. They never expected this would happen. Of course they did. They planned it all out.

00:05:01.840 Oh, their road to parenthood hasn't been without obstacles. Gee, you don't say two men trying to be

00:05:07.080 parents together. That's not without obstacles. I can think of one pretty major obstacle that would,

00:05:11.560 that would make that difficult. Of course it's with obstacles. What are the obstacles? What are

00:05:16.040 we talking about? By the way, what road to parenthood? If you were to skim over this article,

00:05:22.700 you would think that Elliot and Matthew conceived a child together. You, you would get that impression.

00:05:30.380 Obviously it's, that's absurd. That is not possible for two men to conceive a child together.

00:05:35.660 But you, you might think that because it's the road to parenthood, but they overcame those

00:05:40.520 obstacles on the road to parenthood and now they're parents. Not so. That is not so. In the,

00:05:47.200 in reality, in a biological sense, the biological parents of this kid are Matthew's sister and

00:05:55.660 Elliot, who is Matthew's boyfriend or, or significant other or gay marriage, or I don't, I don't know the

00:06:03.160 precise circumstances. There's a mother and a father here. The problem is the mother is out of 0.60

00:06:10.060 the picture. And this obviously creates significant moral dilemmas that Buzzfeed is totally ignoring,

00:06:17.720 totally running over. The piece goes on. They talk about how it's very expensive to do in vitro

00:06:24.740 fertilization, to bring in surrogates, to do this, you have to pay X amount of money. And, and Matthew says,

00:06:30.560 and that is literally the cheapest it could have been, said Matthew. Each cycle of egg retrieval

00:06:36.300 and transfer can cost about $12,000, which the family only had to pay once since Cecile, the mother,

00:06:44.200 got pregnant on the first try or the grandmother, I guess. Plus they didn't have to pay tens of

00:06:50.760 thousands of dollars for donated eggs since Elliot's sister, Leah donated them for free.

00:06:57.100 Listen to this clinical language. When we think about the miracle of life, when we think about the

00:07:05.140 miracle of life as a metaphor for, as a real metaphor for the love that moves the sun and the

00:07:10.080 other stars, when we think about what, when kids ask, Hey, mommy and daddy, where do babies come from?

00:07:16.620 What's the answer? What is the cliche answer? Well, when a mommy and a daddy love each other very much,

00:07:22.840 a baby is produced. And that's actually the best answer you can give. When a mommy and a daddy love each

00:07:31.380 other very much, in a, in a very literal way, in a physical way, they love each other, they make love.

00:07:37.980 And then in a spiritual way, the child, this child, which is body and soul, body and spirit,

00:07:44.180 is the spiritual product of that love as well. Now listen to this description. Each cycle of egg retrieval

00:07:54.080 and transfer costs a lot of money. But luckily, Cecile got pregnant on the first try. And they didn't 1.00

00:08:04.060 have to pay for donated eggs because Elliot's sister, Leah, donated them for free. She didn't donate

00:08:10.620 anything. She's the mother who is producing a child that she will have no accountability toward, 0.90

00:08:18.880 no responsibility for, no more of a relationship with than she wants, than is convenient, than is

00:08:25.440 comfortable for an aunt. A false relationship to pretend to be an aunt when you're really a mother.

00:08:30.460 That sort of language, how dehumanizing, how yucky, how, I think there is a good phrase in the

00:08:43.960 bioethical community that Leon Kass used very much, the bioethicist Leon Kass, who said that

00:08:51.320 there is a wisdom of repugnance. I don't care who you are. I don't care how liberal you are,

00:08:56.780 how left-wing, how progressive, how forward-thinking, how LGBT, LMNOP friendly, how all of these things.

00:09:03.200 It doesn't matter how much you are. When you read that, there is a certain spiritual repugnance that

00:09:10.720 you have toward this. There's something that you read, you say, gosh, that's just not quite right.

00:09:15.120 It's just not quite right for a grandmother to give birth to her own granddaughter, which is really, 1.00

00:09:21.720 who is really the product of her daughter and her son's lover. There's just something not quite right

00:09:29.840 about this. Well, what's not quite right? It's sometimes difficult to articulate, but especially

00:09:36.420 for people who consider themselves very progressive, very open-minded, very forward-thinking.

00:09:42.460 But we know it's true. We just know it deep down. Now, we can articulate this. The trouble is,

00:09:48.760 if we oppose something like this, we are maligned as haters. They say, you hate gay people.

00:09:57.420 Where'd you get that from? Where'd you get that idea from? You hate, you're anti-science. No, well,

00:10:06.020 no. Science is science. Science is knowledge. Science creates technology, and some of that is good,

00:10:12.340 and some of that's bad, and some of it's neutral, and it can be used for good or bad things.

00:10:15.400 And some things are good, and some things such as this are bad, because what is not mentioned in

00:10:21.180 this article, what's not mentioned, BuzzFeed totally overlooks it, is the victim here.

00:10:26.880 All of these crazy scientific experiments produced a daughter who is being intentionally deprived of

00:10:35.180 her mother. Elliot's sister, Leah, donated the eggs for free. No, she's a mother.

00:10:45.400 A mother who all of you schemed, schemed about, and created a child, a daughter in particular,

00:10:53.160 who will not have a mother-daughter relationship with her own mother because of your selfish desires.

00:11:01.440 That is very bad. That's a very bad thing. That's the victim here.

00:11:08.320 Oh, she'll be fine. Oh, the kid will be raised fine. Yeah, I guess. Probably. I don't know. Maybe.

00:11:13.340 Maybe the kid will be raised just great. Well, a child, it would be better for a child to be raised

00:11:18.600 by two gay parents than, two good gay parents than two bad straight parents. Yeah, okay, maybe. Maybe 0.88

00:11:25.120 that's true. Sure. But that's not even really what we're talking about here. We're not talking about a

00:11:30.860 child being adopted to a good gay, really nice, caring, compassionate gay parents, or really bad,

00:11:37.860 awful, terrible straight parents. We are talking about intentionally producing a child who will be 0.85

00:11:45.160 deprived of her mother because you and your boyfriend want to have a child even though that

00:11:52.660 is biologically impossible. And so you scheme, you contrive every way using modern science and modern,

00:12:02.920 shallow, incorrect moral philosophy to say, we're going to use, well, the sister is kind of like 0.86

00:12:11.140 the brother, so we're going to use that egg. And then it's kind of like it's the daughter, but not

00:12:15.460 quite. And then we're going to, no one wants to care. So we'll use the grandmother to carry the,

00:12:20.180 there was a meme that was going around the internet. It said, uh, future genealogists someday looking at

00:12:26.020 this family tree. And it's just that video, the gif of that comedian who's, uh, uh, uh, what, uh, uh,

00:12:32.120 cross-eyed looking all crazy. There are consequences to, there are other people involved. It's not just

00:12:38.180 about your desires. And I don't just mean to invade against this gay couple and the strange grandmother 0.96

00:12:45.480 and the thoughtless sister. That's not, they're, they're not the only problem here. This is a broader

00:12:52.500 problem of designer babies of an inversion of the natural order, which is that we have children to

00:12:58.300 give our love, the love that created us, the love that created everything around us that gives us

00:13:03.120 life. We pass that love along selflessly to a child. We don't create a little designer baby because

00:13:12.540 you feel that something is lacking in your own life. That is utterly selfish. That is utterly opposite

00:13:17.900 of the natural order of giving life and creating children, begetting children. Also, another victim

00:13:26.840 that, of course, BuzzFeed isn't going to talk about here are the ostensibly additional frozen embryos,

00:13:31.540 uh, embryos that are either frozen or destroyed. Because when you do IVF, as, as Matthew L. Edge says here,

00:13:37.280 it's very, very expensive. So usually what you do is you fertilize multiple eggs. So you create

00:13:44.820 multiple little embryos. You create little individual human lives and then you implant one

00:13:50.880 or you implant three and then one takes and you take, kill the other four, or you just freeze a

00:13:56.280 bunch of them. Either way, you're creating multiple individual human lives and then either destroying

00:14:01.520 them or freezing them, suspending them in time. Those are victims too. And moreover, justice is a victim

00:14:10.180 here. It is, that is wrong to do. That is selfish to do. That is taking what should be the ultimate

00:14:17.020 act of selflessness, begetting, creating a child, and inverting that and making it all about yourself.

00:14:27.900 We're only going to see this continue. We're going to see gene editing technology. We're going to see,

00:14:32.160 uh, much more of this in the future. That's a scary thing because we no longer possess a vocabulary

00:14:38.680 to discuss difficult moral issues and difficult bioethical issues. As we begin to think of people

00:14:44.500 as just flesh, as just meat and bones. And yeah, what if I put these two things together? Sister's

00:14:50.280 egg, lover's sperm, put them together, put them in the mother's womb. Oh, you know, whatever. Who 0.96

00:14:54.540 cares? It's all just flesh, right? The more we think about it that way, the more we will be unable

00:14:59.940 to discuss bioethical questions because we're not just flesh. As Winston Churchill said,

00:15:07.040 when great forces are on the move in the world, we learn that we're spirits, not animals.

00:15:12.580 The destiny of man is not measured by material computations. And as material computations take

00:15:20.280 over and base and selfish desires take over, we're going to have a much more troublesome destiny

00:15:30.200 of man to look at. Speaking of modern love, can't forget about creepy Joe. Creepy Joe Biden getting

00:15:36.080 hit from all sides. You know, I'm defending him. I'm still defending him on the argument,

00:15:40.060 but politically it's very difficult to defend him. Here's a great attack ad that just came out

00:15:44.640 from one of the pro-Trump packs on poor old creepy Joe.

00:15:51.720 It happened also suddenly, very unexpectedly, out of nowhere. I feel Joe Biden put his hands on my

00:15:59.680 shoulders, get up very close to me from behind, lean in, smell my hair, and then plant a slow kiss

00:16:09.360 on the top of my head. To have the vice president of the United States do that to me so unexpectedly

00:16:17.520 and just kind of out of nowhere, it was just shocking. It was shocking because you don't expect

00:16:22.060 that kind of intimate behavior. You don't expect that kind of intimacy from someone so powerful

00:16:29.520 and someone who you just have no relationship whatsoever to touch you and to feel you and to

00:16:35.800 be so close to you in that way.

00:16:43.040 Oh, that is a juicy attack ad. That's a really good attack ad. So I'd like to make two points here.

00:16:49.480 One, I don't think Joe Biden has really done anything wrong. What Joe Biden is, is an unctuous

00:16:57.320 politician who goes out and presses the flesh to use a particularly vivid phrase. And his whole

00:17:04.880 shtick is he just seduces voters, right? I mean, that's what politicians like Joe Biden do.

00:17:11.640 They go out and they have their nice shiny teeth and that smile and they go up and they say, you know,

00:17:16.860 you, ah, you're great. I really care about you. And they're flirting, but it's in a, it's in a,

00:17:22.180 not a romantic way. We have never heard a story about Joe Biden getting an apartment in DC while he's

00:17:29.940 a senator and bringing his mistresses all around. And we've never heard that story. What we have heard

00:17:35.860 is that Joe Biden is a little weird and he's too affectionate on the campaign trail, which is true.

00:17:41.120 Those are different things. The second point I want to make here is that this is a great political

00:17:50.320 attack. This is a terrific political attack. And if I were running against Joe Biden, I would play

00:17:55.940 that video all day long because it doesn't really matter to voters whether he's some sexual predator

00:18:02.500 or whether he's some cat or whether he's some womanizer, or if he's just kind of creepy and he's,

00:18:08.260 it just doesn't look good on camera. There's no difference in the mind of voters. And so

00:18:12.940 absolutely, if I were running against Joe Biden in the Democrat primary, I would use it against him.

00:18:18.280 If I were running against him in the general election, which will never happen because he's

00:18:23.500 not going to get that far, I totally would use that against him. The other day, Donald Trump used

00:18:30.240 this line about Joe Biden. He said, I was in Iraq. I was talking to the generals there. I said,

00:18:34.980 I love you so much. I just want to kiss you. I felt just like Joe Biden. You know, he's just using,

00:18:40.460 Joe Biden has become a punchline. That's why what he's done is politically indefensible.

00:18:46.580 Joe Biden cannot afford to be a punchline this early on. Beto right now is fighting the same exact

00:18:52.340 thing. Some candidates have avoided this. Kamala Harris is not really that much of a punchline yet. 1.00

00:18:59.200 Sanders actually is not really that much of a punchline yet. Liz Warren is a punchline. It's 0.95

00:19:05.520 why she's not going anywhere. Joe Biden is dangerously in this territory.

00:19:12.840 Consequently, or coincidentally, Joe Biden is blaming Bernie Sanders' camp for these attacks.

00:19:18.480 It is a little curious. This first woman who came out, Lucy Flores,

00:19:21.880 is a member of a pro-Sanders campaign group, Our Revolution. She's been a pro-Sanders activist for

00:19:27.380 years now. And she comes out and she says, oh yes, the vice president put his hands on my shoulders.

00:19:32.980 I've never felt so unsafe. Oh my gosh, it was harrowing. I'm going through PTSD because the

00:19:39.420 vice president gave, like put his hands on me, on his, on my shoulders briefly when he was campaigning

00:19:45.100 for me, which I asked him to do. Okay, whatever. It sure seems like a political attack to me.

00:19:50.880 Now there's a second accuser. This woman from Connecticut says that then Vice President Joe

00:19:57.780 Biden touched her inappropriately at a Greenwich fundraiser in 2009. I'm so torn on this because

00:20:06.000 I, the Democrats use this against us all the time. A second accuser, all these women that must be true, 1.00

00:20:13.040 inappropriate touching. She made him feel, he made her feel uncomfortable. So I really want to use

00:20:17.980 this against Joe Biden, but it's just not fair. Here's what the woman says from Connecticut. She

00:20:21.580 says, quote, it wasn't sexual, but he did grab me by the head. He put his hand around my neck and

00:20:27.220 pulled me in to rub noses with me. When he was pulling me in, I thought he was going to kiss me on

00:20:31.040 the mouth. What, you thought he was going to kiss you on the mouth, but it wasn't sexual? No, what you're

00:20:38.940 saying is objectively, this wasn't sexual, but subjectively, I could misinterpret it to appear to be

00:20:47.580 sexual. That's what she's saying in that one sentence. And what did he do? I'm sure Joe Biden

00:20:51.960 does this all the time. This is his whole thing. Ah, I'm the, I'm the guy. We're really close. We're

00:20:57.120 really good friends. I'm grandfatherly. Ah, I love you so much. Ah, I love you. If I were 10 years

00:21:02.820 younger, ah, wink, wink, smile, smile, vote for me. It's just an unctuous politician.

00:21:11.240 By the way, apparently his wife does this too. There's this photo of his wife kissing Jeff Bezos on the

00:21:16.240 mouth, not in some saucy, you know, car or in a motel room or something. She did it at a podium

00:21:23.680 at the white house because they're the, the Bidens are very affectionate because they're that kind of

00:21:29.500 politician. Okay. Now there are a couple other people who are coming out. Uh, now this same woman,

00:21:35.720 this same woman in Connecticut said, I never filed a complaint to be honest, because he was the vice

00:21:40.500 president. I was a nobody. There's absolutely a line of decency. There's a line of respect

00:21:45.560 crossing that line is not grandfatherly. It's not cultural. It's not affection. It's sexism or

00:21:51.640 misogyny. Misogyny means the hatred of women. You're telling me that Joe Biden coming up and

00:22:00.180 saying, ah, yeah, you're great. Ah, you're terrific. That expresses a hatred of women. 1.00

00:22:08.940 That it's the same thing. Joe Biden coming up to you and saying, ah, I love you, honey. And putting his

00:22:13.660 hands, giving you a little shoulder massage and an abusive husband punching his wife's lights out.

00:22:18.520 Those are the same thing. That's what she's saying. Because these women are obviously engaged 1.00

00:22:24.700 in a political hit job, which is totally baseless, which is totally cynical, which is totally wrong

00:22:30.540 to actual victims of, uh, sexual violence. Really awful stuff. And this is, here's how you know,

00:22:37.040 here's how you know that this woman from Connecticut is a joke and a cynical joke at that. 0.60

00:22:41.520 She ends her accusation. She says, if Biden truly supports women and gender equality,

00:22:47.580 he would step aside and support one of the many talented and qualified women running. 0.79

00:22:54.160 Oh yeah. Is that right? Oh, I didn't, who knew it was that easy?

00:22:58.940 This is extortion like the mob does. The Me Too movement has become just as extortionist as any

00:23:07.340 mafia family in New York. Say, yeah, you know, that's, uh, that's a really, uh, really nice campaign

00:23:15.140 you got there. She would be, uh, she would be a shame if somebody accused you of being a rapist. 1.00

00:23:20.840 Yeah, no, it's a nice, you got an early, nice political career there. Well, it sure would be

00:23:26.400 a shame if you got Me Too'd. I'll tell you what, we'll make us a little deal. You drop out of the

00:23:31.980 race. You endorse one of these very well-qualified female candidates over here. And maybe we forget 1.00

00:23:38.200 the whole thing happened and you're a wonderful supporter of women's equality. How's that sound,

00:23:42.560 huh? And make a little deal. You scratch my back. Well, you better not scratch my back no more 0.85

00:23:48.660 and I'll scratch yours. Okay. That's what they're doing. They're talking just like little mobsters.

00:23:54.660 And so I'm, I'm totally with Joe in, in dismissing this, this obvious attack.

00:24:00.620 I'm not the only one, by the way. Whoopi Goldberg agrees with me. We'll get to that in one second.

00:24:04.140 But first, got a second by the Facebook and YouTube. We have so much more coming up. We get

00:24:08.560 a little bit more into Joe. We get a little bit more into Trump and AOC and the Green New Deal. We

00:24:12.560 even get into National Poetry Month. But it's 10 bucks a month, $100 for an annual

00:24:18.580 membership. You get me. You get the Andrew Klavan show. You get the Ben Shapiro show. You get to ask

00:24:21.160 questions in the mailbag. You get the Matt Wall show. Get your mailbag questions in. That is coming

00:24:25.360 up tomorrow, I believe. Is it Wednesday already? Gosh, the time just flies when you're having fun,

00:24:30.200 when you're drinking covfefe. You will also get the Leftist Tears Tumblr. This is what you need.

00:24:35.280 Oh, the Me Too boomerang swings back and it's knocking down the Democrats' best candidate for the

00:24:40.380 general election. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Get the Tumblr. We'll be right back with a lot more.

00:24:48.580 Politics makes for strange bedfellows. As we speak about modern love, an apt phrase.

00:25:02.440 I'm now defending Joe Biden and I'm agreeing with Whoopi Goldberg, who is summing up this

00:25:08.100 situation pretty well. Now, Biden responded that in all his years on the campaign trail,

00:25:13.020 he does never believe he's acted inappropriately. So he'll listen respectfully to Flores.

00:25:17.240 But it was never his intention. Now, should she have spoken to him about this before she went on

00:25:24.480 television about it? Or, I mean, is it, you know, listen, in the old days, we would call

00:25:30.760 Joe, some folks of a certain age would say he's a little overly familiar. Yeah. Okay. But most

00:25:37.060 politicians, when they're, you know, doing this with you and, you know, they are. And Joe is,

00:25:42.020 Joe is a hands-on kind of guy. Yeah, he is. But no one, I've never heard anyone. And she says she

00:25:48.780 felt violated. And I have to take her at her word. But it would have been nice if she had turned him

00:25:54.400 and said, you know what, Jay, I don't really like this. Please don't do this. Or not, Mr. Vice

00:25:59.800 President, I'm not really comfortable with that. Something, because he's standing right there.

00:26:03.580 No, it's hard to say to somebody who's sniffing your hair. No, it's not. Somebody touches you

00:26:07.840 inappropriately. Exactly right, Whoopi. Whoopi is exactly right. Joy Behar is exactly wrong.

00:26:14.460 Because listen to that disagreement there. Whoopi says, you know, if this woman is going to wait 1.00

00:26:20.200 however many years and come out and say, when Joe Biden put his hands on my shoulders, it made me

00:26:25.240 uncomfortable. Therefore, he's basically a rapist. It might've been nice to say in the moment, hey,

00:26:30.320 Mr. Vice President, please don't touch me. And then I'm sure he would have said, okay, honey,

00:26:35.180 yeah, I love you. Vote for me. Vote for me. Okay. And it would have been fine.

00:26:39.860 It would have been nice to just say it. You know, you're an adult. You're a person. You're not just

00:26:43.520 a delicate little flower all the time, right? Isn't this such an irony with the feminist movement. 1.00

00:26:48.040 We're told women are strong. Women are capable. Women are just as rational and direct as men.

00:26:54.700 And then we're told, oh, I could never tell someone my feelings. Oh, I could never. No. I could

00:27:00.360 never express my opinion. No, please save me. Save me. Bernie, 10 years later or whatever.

00:27:07.920 She said, just go and just say, hey man, please don't do that. That's how adults deal with things.

00:27:13.040 And what does Joy Behar say? He says, oh, that's so hard to do. That's so hard to say. And Whoopi

00:27:18.860 doesn't let her get away with it. Whoopi says, no, it's not. It's not hard to say. Hey, look,

00:27:23.380 I got a mouth. I got vocal cords. I have a brain. I can turn my body to face him and say, hey,

00:27:30.740 please don't do that. It's not hard. It's very easy. The professional victim crowd wants to pretend

00:27:38.600 that you, oh, you could never say that. How can you expect a rational human being to talk?

00:27:44.840 How could you? You couldn't expect that. But Whoopi's right. Now there are two more women coming out of 1.00

00:27:49.360 the closet. Caitlin Caruso, former college student, said that at an event, Mr. Joe Biden

00:27:57.220 put his hand on her thigh. And then she squirmed a little to show her discomfort. But he hugged her

00:28:05.540 just a little too long. This was at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. I have no doubt that Joe Biden

00:28:12.520 put his hand on her thigh or on her leg or on her knee or on her shoulder or wherever. But look,

00:28:17.840 she says, and I even squirmed a little to show my discomfort. Here's another way you can show your

00:28:22.440 discomfort. Hey, please don't do that. Or move. You can also move. You don't need to. And I was so

00:28:27.520 clear to him. I did this. It was so clear. How could anyone misinterpret that? That I was calling him

00:28:34.660 a rapist and telling him to get away from me. I practically pulled out the pepper spray. I

00:28:38.380 practically pulled out the bear mace. No, you didn't. You have to articulate what you're thinking.

00:28:43.960 We're not mind readers. You can't read somebody's mind. Women can't read men's minds. Men can't read 0.80

00:28:52.000 women's minds. That's why we have language so that we can speak. Or she could have just turned away 1.00

00:28:57.040 rather than squirming a little to show her discomfort. She could have said, or she could

00:29:01.800 have even come out and said, I felt totally violated at the time. But she didn't. She waited

00:29:08.300 until it was politically convenient until the one minute that Joe Biden is about to announce for

00:29:12.440 president. And then all of a sudden, then the attack comes out. Another person, 59-year-old DJ Hill

00:29:18.580 said that when she and her husband were having her photo taken by Joe Biden, Biden put his hand on her

00:29:25.000 shoulder and then started dropping it down her back, which made her very uncomfortable. Again,

00:29:31.500 that's a you problem, darling. That's not an objective issue. You're taking, how do you take photos?

00:29:37.840 I'm going to say, I'm a little, uh, I'm a little, uh, sensitive to this because I have to take photos

00:29:43.300 all the time. When I go to these college campuses, I take a hundred photos every time. And I actually

00:29:47.340 joke sometimes when we're taking a photo, you know, you put your arms on somebody. If they're

00:29:51.300 very short, then you put their arms on their, on their, uh, shoulders. If they're not, you put the

00:29:55.920 arms on the back right behind them. And I joke, I'll say, okay, when we're getting ready for this

00:29:59.780 photo, everybody stand forward. I don't want to accidentally touch somebody somewhere and get me

00:30:04.440 intoed. Ha ha ha. And then it's a joke. And we make this joke because of bogus accusations like

00:30:10.300 this. How do you take a photo with somebody? You put your hand on their back. That's it. That's

00:30:17.440 every photo. Or I guess you could have your hands at your sides and maybe take like a crossed over

00:30:22.680 your, have them out in the other direction. So there's no chance you ever touch them. No, you,

00:30:26.560 when you're taking a photo, first of all, I don't think Joe Biden asked to take a photo with 59 year

00:30:30.920 old DJ Hill. Something tells me 59 year old DJ Hill asked to take a photo with the vice president.

00:30:37.600 And so he graciously says, sure. And they're taking what is a familiar photo. And he puts his hand on

00:30:44.280 her back, on her back. He's not grabbing her tookus. He's not reaching over, grabbing her chest. No,

00:30:51.780 he's got his hand on her back. And she said, it made me feel very uncomfortable. Well, that's a you

00:30:55.740 problem. That's not a Joe Biden problem. How about, and how about you say, oh, don't put your hand on

00:31:01.780 my back. I have a very sensitive back or whatever. No, you can't. I wonder, I mean, this is such a

00:31:07.460 frivolous attack on Joe Biden. I don't really care because I don't like Joe Biden. So it's fine if it's

00:31:12.220 going to take him out, whatever. I mean, you know, it's your primary guys. I'm not a Democrat. I'm not

00:31:17.280 voting in it. You can do whatever you want, dummies. But I wonder how much of our sexual culture that 0.98

00:31:24.120 we're talking about. Modern love, all this weirdo, bizarre relationships between men and women 0.89

00:31:29.940 could be explained by Whoopi Goldberg's advice. Could be explained by this sort of political attack.

00:31:37.160 When I did my blank book, Reasons to Vote for Democrats, that was not the first blank book ever.

00:31:41.140 There have been dozens of blank books throughout history. One of the best-selling blank books,

00:31:44.980 sold a million copies, is called Everything Men Know About Women. And it's a great book. It has a very

00:31:51.760 similar content to my book. And I think that book is truer now than ever. I think they should

00:31:56.340 re-release it. It'll sell a zillion more copies. Because this is not a normal way for men and women 1.00

00:32:04.180 to interact with each other. Sexual difference is one of the greatest things under the sun. It is one 0.85

00:32:10.700 of the reasons to get out of bed in the morning. Coincidentally, it's a reason to get into bed as well.

00:32:14.780 So it really encompasses much of the experience of the world.

00:32:20.820 But the way that we're talking about it now does not compute, does not make any sense.

00:32:26.780 We're talking about now cycles of egg retrieval and transfer. We're talking about donated eggs.

00:32:34.500 We're talking about all of these clinical things. Surrogacy. We're talking about...

00:32:39.780 We're talking about... That's how we're primarily talking about it in the culture. We're talking

00:32:44.240 about how uncomfortable you feel if a guy that you've asked to take a photo with put his hand

00:32:48.960 on your back. We're talking about how we can't... I mean, now the joke, you see all these comedy

00:32:55.760 sketches of... South Park did this too with PC Principle. Before a man and a woman are going to go,

00:33:01.420 you know, go necking up on lover's point, they need to go get a contract notarized saying,

00:33:07.480 I give my consent to kiss somebody on the cheek and I give this. How clinical. How inhuman. What an

00:33:13.760 awful way to live. How much of the campus sexual crisis would be explained by this? There was an

00:33:19.920 article that came out about the hookup culture, which is ubiquitous, which it is everywhere. And

00:33:25.260 basically everybody is participating in it. And they say, it is a little weird. We get really,

00:33:31.580 really drunk and then we go hook up with people that we barely know. And we all willingly do it

00:33:36.120 because we don't know how to socialize. We don't know how to relate to one another. I wonder how

00:33:40.320 much of this is caused by the lies that gender ideology has sold to us. That there's no difference 0.97

00:33:45.640 between the sexes. There's no physical difference. There's no spiritual difference. There's no

00:33:50.820 psychological difference. It's all the same. And when we believe that lie for long enough,

00:33:56.600 we're in this bizarre place where Whoopi Goldberg has to be the voice of reason and say,

00:34:02.120 hey guys, if you're having trouble communicating men, how about you just tell them what you're

00:34:06.040 thinking? How about you just tell them what you're feeling? A bizarre sexual and modern love

00:34:12.700 culture. Do we have, we have a little bit of time. We can get to Donald Trump's glorious

00:34:18.320 showing last night. Donald Trump was giving a presser on the Green New Deal, on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

00:34:26.760 And most importantly, he says he's going to postpone the Republican health care plan until 2020. This

00:34:32.880 has created a big uproar because initially he said, we've got the best health care plan. We're

00:34:36.960 going to give you a great health care plan. Then he backed off. He said, we're not going to get it

00:34:40.020 done until 2020. This was a great idea, a very, very good idea to postpone it. If they'd been proposing

00:34:48.020 it, this would become the central issue of the 2020 campaign. And it's an issue that Republicans lose

00:34:54.560 on. And why is health care an issue that Republicans lose on? Donald Trump explains it well in this

00:35:01.560 address at the NRCC. It should be easy. It'll be interesting to see. But don't underestimate the power

00:35:10.180 of socialism to get a vote. It's what happens over a 10 year period when the country is destroyed. But

00:35:17.100 they don't care about that. When they say we're going to give you free education, we're going to give

00:35:22.380 you free health care. We're going to not have you pay your loans for college. We're going to give

00:35:28.440 you free everything. Everything is free. It's very seductive to people. It's not going to be so easy

00:35:37.040 like you think. Now, in 10 years, it's going to be easy when the country goes to hell, because that's

00:35:44.560 what happens. The country goes to hell. Happened many times. Look at Venezuela. I mean, this was the

00:35:51.160 richest country in that whole hemisphere. I mean, outside of us, it was one of the richest countries

00:35:57.260 in the world. And now they have no food. They have no electric. They have nothing. It's sad.

00:36:07.140 Never underestimate the ability of socialism to get a vote. This is a brilliant insight that

00:36:15.020 President Trump is articulating. This is why we can't talk about health care before 2020.

00:36:21.220 Because what we are competing on is they're saying, hey, we're going to give you everything

00:36:25.700 for free. And we're saying, hey, you know, commodities and goods and services cost money.

00:36:32.000 And so there have got to be balances and exchanges. And if you're going to liberalize in this area,

00:36:37.280 and if you're going to make this a little more accessible to bring costs down, that's going to

00:36:41.980 limit care in this area and this and that. And you're going to lose on that. Because you should

00:36:47.200 never underestimate the ability of socialism to get a vote. Never underestimate. Someone says,

00:36:52.660 hey, everything's going to be free. It's so simple. It's so clear.

00:36:59.440 We lose against socialist policies when the policies are vague. And the socialist health care

00:37:07.480 policy from Democrats is vague. They call it Medicare for all. Why do they call it

00:37:11.840 Medicare for all? Because that phrase tests very well. Medicare, oh, that's nice. People get free

00:37:15.780 health care. And my grandmother likes it. Okay, Medicare for all. What does Medicare for all really

00:37:20.500 mean? It means fully socialist health care. So when you start to explain to people what Medicare for all

00:37:26.080 means, how much it's going to cost them in taxes, how everyone's taxes are going to go up, how it's

00:37:32.120 going to reduce the quality of care, how it's going to reduce medical innovation, how it's going to

00:37:36.420 ration care by the government. When you explain all that to them, the popularity of Medicare for all

00:37:41.040 plummets. But when it's vague, when it's just vague, which is how it's going to be fought in the 2020

00:37:45.860 campaign, it's very popular. Now, conversely, we win when socialist policies are specific. This is why

00:37:55.280 the Green New Deal is so beneficial to Republicans and conservatives. We love AOC came out. AOC is running

00:38:03.840 away like the little Roadrunner cartoon from the Green New Deal, which she authored, which she

00:38:11.520 personally released, which she personally pushed, which she personally made her central issue,

00:38:17.360 which she personally got all these Senate Democrats to co-sponsor and endorse. And then

00:38:23.520 when that reality sunk in, now she's running away from it. Everybody's running away from it. Because 0.52

00:38:29.100 when socialist policies are specific, we win. President Trump identifies this exactly right.

00:38:34.120 I'm only afraid that we're going to be too hard on the Green New Deal. And they're not going to do it 0.96

00:38:39.440 because I want them to do it. We don't want to have them knock it out before we get to run against it.

00:38:44.200 So let's take it easy. I'm actually saying it's a wonderful thing. The Green New Deal done by a young 0.95

00:38:50.420 bartender, 29 years old, a young bartender, wonderful young woman, the Green New Deal. 0.89

00:38:59.860 You know, but it's crazy. You know, the first time I heard it, I said, that's the craziest thing.

00:39:04.020 You have senators that are professionals that you guys know that have been there for a long time,

00:39:08.520 white hair, everything perfect. And they're standing behind her and they're shaking. They're petrified of

00:39:13.480 her. We support the Green New Deal. How about the woman from Hawaii, the senator from Hawaii, 0.79

00:39:18.860 highly nice woman, right? Oh, I'm glad I didn't say it. I'm going to get great points from my wife

00:39:27.220 for not saying that. But she was so angry to men, right? Remember, she was screaming at men. And then 0.79

00:39:34.260 they asked her about the Green New Deal. I love it. They said, yeah, but you don't allow airplanes

00:39:39.140 anymore. So you can't get to Hawaii. Oh, we have to work on something. So somebody jokingly said,

00:39:45.420 we'll build a train to Hawaii. And she actually thought it was a decent idea.

00:39:51.480 So now she supports it because she thinks they're going to build a train to Hawaii.

00:39:56.500 But they really believe this stuff. And you know, it's like, it's the craziest thing. They believe it.

00:40:02.540 This is President Trump at his best. It's him doing a standup set, right? This is, this is a guy who has

00:40:09.540 grown up in show business. He has been a king of show business. And he is doing a standup set.

00:40:15.180 He might as well get out there smoking a cigarette with the one spotlight on him and a stool. Says,

00:40:20.420 so what's the deal with this Green New Deal, huh? What's that about? How are they going to do it?

00:40:24.260 The senator from Hawaii says that she supports the Green New Deal. It's going to outlaw airplanes.

00:40:28.960 What's she going to do? Take a train back to Washington? Yeah, she's going to take a train back 1.00

00:40:33.680 to Washington. That's a good idea. That's what they're going to do. Am I right? He's,

00:40:37.240 he's treating it like a standup set. And I think this is admirable because he is totally eviscerating

00:40:44.000 the Green New Deal here. I mean, this is, we talked about this with Joe Biden. This is the

00:40:50.960 great fear is to become a punchline. You can be hated. You can be maligned. They can call you Hitler.

00:40:58.240 That is better than becoming a punchline. And the Green New Deal is a punchline. AOC is really in 0.55

00:41:04.460 trouble right now because she has become a punchline. And she doesn't, see Donald Trump,

00:41:09.760 when they try to turn him into a punchline, he wins. So he comes back and beats them. So he's

00:41:14.120 not a punchline. If he lost in 2016, he'd be a punchline. But he didn't. He won. So then he

00:41:19.360 became Hitler. So then they call him a Nazi. Then they call him a fascist. Then they call him all

00:41:22.900 manner of evil. The Green New Deal has become a punchline because the point he's making is that

00:41:30.300 socialists never have to answer for their terrible policies because it takes 10 years for socialism

00:41:34.540 to destroy a country. Maybe even a little bit longer. This is what happened in Venezuela.

00:41:38.920 Destroyed that country and they never have to answer the people who supported it in the first place.

00:41:43.440 But when it gets really specific, you can drill down and you look at that image that he gives you.

00:41:49.040 Donald Trump does this all the time. He creates these great images. Scott Adams talks about this

00:41:53.440 a lot. That image you have in your mind is Mazie Hirono, the senator from Hawaii, can't fly back to

00:42:00.080 Washington. So she's going to build a train. Now you picture train tracks going across the whole

00:42:04.700 Pacific Ocean from Hawaii to California. Then she's just taken that train. Now I support the Green New 1.00

00:42:10.460 Deal. What a great image in your mind. Turns it into a total joke, a total stand-up set.

00:42:16.700 And he couldn't do this stand-up act without the material from the Democrats.

00:42:22.280 You can't just do it. You can't just try to be Trump. You can't just out-Trump Trump. That isn't

00:42:29.120 going to happen. This, it requires this sort of material. You know, actually Al Sharpton made this

00:42:35.940 point. Just that he said, you can't out-Trump Trump. And he's exactly right.

00:42:39.960 And you know, I think that one of the important things taken off what Willie said about

00:42:44.260 tough, toughen-up take on Trump. You know, as an old boxing fan, I learned don't fight the other

00:42:50.640 guys' fight. I think it's a big mistake to try to out-Trump Trump. I think what you've got to do is

00:42:56.540 do your own fight plan. And it will trip Trump up. I think some of the mistakes that was made by

00:43:02.880 the Republican opponents in the Republican primaries is they tried to go tit for tat with him rather

00:43:08.680 than raise the level of discussion, deal with the issues and concern of people. Talk over Trump,

00:43:14.640 because what he's saying is nonsense. And if you make sense, people will choose something better.

00:43:19.900 Clean glass is always going to be chosen over dirty glass if you give them the option.

00:43:25.180 So he goes off on his partisan spiel at the end, but he's right in the main point, which is that

00:43:29.660 you can't out-Trump Trump. You can't do somebody better than he does. And I think that's,

00:43:35.380 a lot of the appeal of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was, oh, she's kind of like our Trump. She gets 0.99

00:43:41.320 a lot of media. She says outrageous things. Yeah, she's going to be our Trump. You can't out-Trump 0.96

00:43:46.800 Trump. You can't win it at someone else's game. And that's what you see here. I mean, this Green

00:43:53.400 New Deal debacle is truly a catastrophe for her. I think it makes her a punchline. I think it basically

00:43:59.840 ends this as an issue in 2020. They're going to try to revive it, but it really hurts it.

00:44:03.920 And how does she come back? She's now running away from the policy she wrote. She's blaming 0.99

00:44:10.380 it on a staffer. She's telling senators that they shouldn't vote for her policy. Really

00:44:16.560 tough thing, the Green New Deal. And a great example of when we get really specific on 0.71

00:44:21.780 their policies, we can wreck them because of the reality of it. It's National Poetry Month.

00:44:26.140 And so because we were talking about the Green New Deal here at the end, I just want to read

00:44:29.540 a very simple little poem from a great poet named Joyce Kilmer. He was killed in World War I

00:44:36.180 at the age of 31. So he didn't have the ability to mature into a really great poet. But this is a

00:44:42.840 popular little poem. And when conservatives talk about the environment, sometimes because we want

00:44:48.220 to show how wrong leftist environmentalism is, we, I think, go too far. We say, who cares about the

00:44:55.940 environment? We'll destroy the environment. No, the environment in its natural place, which is for

00:45:01.180 us to enjoy because it is part of God's creation, that's a good place for it. And so this is a poem

00:45:07.000 called Trees. It was made into a song in, I believe, 1948 or something like that. Here's the poem.

00:45:13.780 I think that I shall never see a poem lovely as a tree, a tree whose hungry mouth is pressed

00:45:19.320 against the sweet earth's flowing breast, a tree that looks at God all day and lifts her leafy arms

00:45:24.740 to pray, a tree that may in summer wear a nest of robins in her hair, upon whose bosom snow has lain,

00:45:31.020 who intimately lives with rain. Poems are made by fools like me, but only God can make a tree.

00:45:37.240 When we talk about the environment, we look at it as part of the majesty of creation as a way to look

00:45:47.140 at that and then look up toward the creator. When we look at modern love, this is an important thing.

00:45:52.160 Poems are made by fools like me, but only God can make a tree. When you look at the natural order

00:45:57.620 in all of its majesty, it is an awesome thing. It fills you with wonder. And when you go in there

00:46:04.380 and you think you can do it better, when you think fools like us can do it all better,

00:46:09.700 tinker all of it around, invert it from what it really is, you get to really bizarre,

00:46:18.540 really morally chaotic outcomes, such as a grandmother giving birth to her granddaughter 0.63

00:46:24.860 with the sperm of her gay son's lover and the egg of her daughter. 0.99

00:46:30.180 Modern love, do, do, do, do. All right, that's our show. Tune in tomorrow.

00:46:34.100 Make sure you get your mailbag questions in. In the meantime, I'm Michael Knowles.

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The Michael Knowles Show - April 03, 2019

Ep. 325 - Modern Love： Having Your Gay Son’s Baby

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