The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 337 - Our Clinical Culture

00:00:00.000 A woman is suing her Uber driver for refusing to take her to get an abortion.

00:00:04.580 Meanwhile, leftists weep over a sack full of puppies in a dumpster.

00:00:08.420 We will examine our clinical culture.

00:00:10.840 Then, 2020 Democrats continue to humiliate themselves and Cher, yes, Cher,

00:00:16.860 marches further down the road to becoming a Republican.

00:00:19.680 I'm Michael Knowles and this is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:00:21.600 This is the most important story in the news today and nobody's talking about it.

00:00:33.400 A woman is trying to sue her Uber driver for not driving her to go get an abortion.

00:00:40.800 There are so many political and cultural issues all in this one story.

00:00:45.640 This story basically epitomizes 2019.

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00:02:32.620 A 20-year-old woman in upstate New York finds out that she's pregnant.

00:02:41.760 She's not married.

00:02:43.040 She's got a boyfriend.

00:02:43.880 She finds out she's pregnant, so she decides to go get an abortion. 1.00

00:02:47.800 Now, she doesn't have a car up where she is. 0.87

00:02:51.840 I think she's at college, so she doesn't keep a car on campus.

00:02:54.520 She decides to call an Uber and take her to the abortion clinic. 0.96

00:02:58.200 So her abortion appointment is 1130 in the morning.

00:03:00.720 Her Uber shows up a couple minutes before 10 a.m.

00:03:05.040 Now, according to her, the driver seemed uneasy.

00:03:08.500 The driver asks her five minutes into the ride,

00:03:11.540 are we going to Planned Parenthood?

00:03:13.840 She says no.

00:03:15.920 Apparently, she's not going to Planned Parenthood.

00:03:18.620 But there was the address of a clinic in the app.

00:03:22.320 Now, presumably, this woman, maybe she looked pregnant. 1.00

00:03:27.020 Somehow, this driver has a feeling she's not just going to get her annual checkup.

00:03:31.720 So the driver asks, are we going to an abortion clinic?

00:03:36.400 The woman remains silent.

00:03:38.500 That's all she needs to hear.

00:03:40.960 All the driver needs to hear.

00:03:42.640 Total silence.

00:03:43.460 So then he says, I know it's none of my business, but, and he goes on to talk about his wife.

00:03:50.240 His wife apparently was pregnant or is pregnant.

00:03:53.660 He goes on to talk about how the abortion peddling industry does not give women all of the information about it,

00:03:59.520 does not talk about the huge rates of regret that women feel afterwards.

00:04:03.440 He tells her she's going to regret this decision for the rest of her life.

00:04:06.500 Let's not forget Jane Roe of Roe v. Wade, the number one iconic abortion rights activist,

00:04:15.380 became a major pro-life activist later in her life.

00:04:18.460 Totally regretted everything she did with regard to abortion.

00:04:22.160 Dr. Bernard Nathanson, the founder of NARAL, the founder of the abortion rights organization,

00:04:27.640 became one of the biggest pro-life advocates.

00:04:29.680 He said they were lying throughout the pro-abortion movement.

00:04:33.520 He totally regrets what he did.

00:04:35.160 And what this Uber driver was saying is you are going to regret this decision.

00:04:40.120 Countless scores of women who were going to get abortions,

00:04:43.080 who advocated for abortion, who considered abortions, totally came to regret it.

00:04:46.940 You can see them all at the March for Life.

00:04:48.700 So many of them go and march now in the March for Life.

00:04:51.480 So halfway to the clinic, I guess the clinic's about an hour, hour and a half away,

00:04:57.160 he pulls over, he says, I'm sorry, I can't take you the rest of the way.

00:05:01.680 He said, I can take you back to the city where you're from,

00:05:05.640 or I can stay here and wait with you while you call another Uber.

00:05:10.340 He said, if I drive you back to the city where you're from, you're not going to be able to get another Uber.

00:05:13.700 Middle of upstate New York.

00:05:15.100 But here, I will wait with you until you get another Uber,

00:05:17.980 but I cannot drive you to go get an abortion. 1.00

00:05:20.780 So she says, no, I don't want you to wait with me.

00:05:25.000 She calls her boyfriend.

00:05:27.740 He doesn't pick up.

00:05:30.120 I guess she calls him again.

00:05:31.460 Maybe she calls him a third time.

00:05:32.640 Finally, he picks up and he says, oh, well, you've got to call the abortion clinic and say you're going to be a little late.

00:05:37.820 Sounds like a great guy, doesn't he?

00:05:39.440 Sounds like a real upright guy.

00:05:40.900 I bet he really cares for her.

00:05:42.680 I bet it was a really good decision to date him.

00:05:44.740 He doesn't go with her, doesn't tell her not to get the abortion, not to kill the kid.

00:05:50.600 Doesn't even go with her to get the abortion.

00:05:52.860 He's back, doesn't even pick up her call when she calls.

00:05:56.360 Then he says, oh, yeah, you're probably going to want to call the abortion clinic,

00:05:59.380 say you're going to be a little bit late, huh?

00:06:01.660 That's it.

00:06:02.240 Click.

00:06:04.200 So then she calls a cab.

00:06:06.480 Cab takes her to the abortion clinic.

00:06:08.480 I guess she gets an abortion. 1.00

00:06:09.420 After this, the woman contacts Uber and demands that the driver be fired. 1.00

00:06:19.100 The driver who asked her at the very beginning, are we getting an, are we going to get an abortion right now?

00:06:24.540 Are we going to Planned Parenthood?

00:06:25.800 Are we going to an abortion clinic?

00:06:27.760 She was quiet.

00:06:28.860 She didn't.

00:06:29.660 He says, look, I'll wait with you while you call another Uber or I will drive you back home.

00:06:34.540 You can try to call an Uber there, but I personally cannot be complicit in killing a baby.

00:06:41.340 She contacts Uber, says he's got to be fired.

00:06:43.900 Uber immediately fires the driver.

00:06:47.780 I'm from north of the city in New York.

00:06:50.980 Spent a lot of time in upstate New York.

00:06:52.840 There aren't a ton of jobs up there, depending on which town you're in.

00:06:55.980 Not the most booming economies in upstate New York.

00:06:59.120 Immediately, this guy loses his job for saying that he's not going to be complicit to an abortion.

00:07:02.900 But it goes further than that.

00:07:05.360 The woman now wants to sue the guy who are refusing to take her to go kill her child. 1.00

00:07:11.140 She's trying to find out if she has a case. 0.88

00:07:12.920 Maybe she does. 0.87

00:07:14.580 What went wrong here?

00:07:17.480 Everything.

00:07:18.420 Everything about this story is wrong.

00:07:22.720 The most important aspect, the most glaring aspect, is that we treat abortion as though it's calling an Uber.

00:07:30.700 I mean, in this case, she's literally treating an abortion like it's getting an Uber. 1.00

00:07:34.700 You hear politicians talk about abortion on demand, frivolous abortion, abortion as birth control.

00:07:41.880 She is literally treating abortion as though she's calling an Uber. 1.00

00:07:45.940 She's conflating the two.

00:07:47.300 She's saying, if you, Uber driver, don't drive me to the abortion, you are denying my rights. 1.00

00:07:51.980 You're denying my constitutional right to an abortion.

00:07:54.700 I don't know where in the Constitution that right exactly exists, but she's saying that he's denying her rights.

00:08:01.620 The other aspect is that we treat people as inconveniences rather than as human beings.

00:08:08.340 We treat people as though the only value that they have is value as it relates to us.

00:08:13.760 Obviously, that's the case of this baby.

00:08:18.940 The woman has a baby. 0.75

00:08:20.320 She's pregnant. 1.00

00:08:21.360 She wants to kill it. 1.00

00:08:22.760 No regard to the value of her child. 1.00

00:08:25.600 No regard to its humanity.

00:08:27.180 Only because it's inconvenient that she become a mother now.

00:08:31.140 She said that.

00:08:31.680 She said at the top of this.

00:08:34.860 She's spoken to the media and said, I'm 20 years old.

00:08:37.040 I'm not ready to become a mother.

00:08:38.220 I'm not ready to take care of a child. 1.00

00:08:39.600 So I'm going to kill it. 1.00

00:08:41.080 Well, it's not all about you. 1.00

00:08:42.260 It's not all about your ability to care for a child.

00:08:45.760 How about you give the child up for adoption?

00:08:48.020 A lot of people in this country want to adopt babies.

00:08:50.160 Do that.

00:08:51.280 No, it's just about her.

00:08:52.960 How about the Uber driver?

00:08:54.100 This guy, she calls on him, asks him to perform a service.

00:08:56.960 He then finds out the reality of that service.

00:08:58.940 He says he doesn't want to do it.

00:09:00.160 And she gets him fired.

00:09:01.100 She gets him to lose his job.

00:09:02.180 Now she's trying to take his money. 1.00

00:09:03.640 She's trying to sue him.

00:09:06.600 How about the boyfriend? 0.95

00:09:07.600 How about this dirtbag boyfriend who knocks up his girlfriend, 0.99

00:09:12.260 then tells her to go get an abortion, 0.99

00:09:14.540 then doesn't go with her to get the abortion.

00:09:16.960 Then she gets held up.

00:09:17.980 She, she can't get a ride to get the abortion. 1.00

00:09:20.000 What does he do?

00:09:20.520 He finally picks up the phone.

00:09:21.520 He says, oh, well, you got to let them know you'll be late.

00:09:23.620 You, you better make sure that they don't cancel your abortion appointment. 0.87

00:09:27.360 Cause that would be really inconvenient to me. 1.00

00:09:29.240 If you don't kill my child, come on, go do it. 0.99

00:09:32.380 Take care of it. 1.00

00:09:33.020 What are you bothering me for?

00:09:36.540 Same thing.

00:09:37.300 This, this woman is treating this guy, not as a boyfriend, not as a husband, 0.97

00:09:44.940 not as someone she's in love with.

00:09:47.060 She's, she's buying into the feminist lie that our sexual relations between each other 1.00

00:09:55.680 are just totally casual.

00:09:57.780 They're totally, it doesn't matter.

00:10:00.420 It's not, look, he has no response.

00:10:02.580 I know he knocked me up, but he has no responsibility for the baby.

00:10:06.280 No, I know.

00:10:07.020 I'm sorry.

00:10:07.200 I shouldn't have even bothered to call him.

00:10:08.920 That was probably wrong of me.

00:10:10.100 I'm imposing on him.

00:10:11.140 And then we're treating people as bigots for not indulging our fantasies and our desires.

00:10:22.120 We're treating this Uber driver as though he's somehow bigoted because he won't indulge this

00:10:27.160 woman's fantasy that her baby isn't really a baby, that the baby that she's explicitly

00:10:33.140 going to kill somehow isn't alive or that the offspring that she has begotten somehow isn't 0.99

00:10:40.440 human.

00:10:41.140 It's probably a platypus or something.

00:10:42.800 It's probably like algae or a goldfish, right?

00:10:46.560 No, it's obviously a living human baby.

00:10:49.300 It's her baby.

00:10:50.920 This Uber driver realizes that.

00:10:53.280 She's pretending that it's not her baby.

00:10:56.080 And then she's calling him a bigot because he won't indulge in that fantasy or that desire.

00:11:03.160 What, I mean, when we talk about the questions of religious liberty, if this is not the religious 0.97

00:11:07.940 liberty case, what is? 0.79

00:11:09.240 It's a man saying, I politely would like to refrain from helping to kill a baby.

00:11:17.780 And this woman is using the force of corporate America and is trying to use the force of the 1.00

00:11:23.700 state to compel him to participate in killing a baby.

00:11:28.040 Corporate America has already totally destroyed his religious liberty, totally gone over his 0.92

00:11:41.400 rights.

00:11:42.820 Uber fired him in a second. 0.99

00:11:43.960 Oh, you won't drive a woman to go kill a baby? 1.00

00:11:46.280 You won't help to do that act? 0.86

00:11:47.880 Okay, you're done.

00:11:49.180 Well, I don't care why you object to it. 0.89

00:11:50.740 You're just a bigot.

00:11:51.800 Now she's trying to go to the government and say, I want damages. 1.00

00:11:55.420 I want him to pay me because he wouldn't help me kill my baby.

00:11:58.920 And how vindictive, how vindictive is this? 0.95

00:12:04.480 This, you notice, not just on the question of abortion, you see it all throughout the

00:12:07.880 country.

00:12:08.600 We are so vindictive to people who don't affirm the fantasies that we hold, who don't affirm

00:12:15.660 the desires that we have.

00:12:17.780 We are so vindictive.

00:12:19.680 If you, I was on campus yesterday at Cal State LA, talking to all of the students, apparently

00:12:26.520 at that school, they get a diversity manual about this thick, diversity, which just means

00:12:31.180 left-wing ideology.

00:12:32.660 They describe all the various sexual orientations.

00:12:35.520 One of them apparently is, is BDSM, sadomasochism.

00:12:39.720 That's now a sexual orientation.

00:12:41.620 And if you object to something like BDSM, you're a bigot and you will be punished because

00:12:49.420 then you're not inclusive.

00:12:50.900 Then you're not accepting diversity.

00:12:53.680 If you don't affirm any little thing that the left wants you to affirm, not only will

00:12:59.760 you be smeared as a bigot, you will be destroyed.

00:13:02.740 Your career will be destroyed.

00:13:04.240 You will be socially ostracized.

00:13:06.060 You will be professionally ostracized.

00:13:08.520 You will be politically ostracized.

00:13:11.400 And the overarching theme I see from this whole story is how clinical we treat each other.

00:13:19.420 Now, when we, people talk about their boyfriends or their girlfriends, among my left-wing friends,

00:13:25.020 do you know how they introduce them to me?

00:13:26.120 They say, hello, Michael, I'd like you to meet my partner.

00:13:29.840 Even if it's a straight couple, gay couple, they say, hey, this is my partner.

00:13:34.660 Partner, what do you, you have like an accounting business together?

00:13:37.840 Partner, you're, you've invested in some stock together.

00:13:41.760 You've got some corporation together.

00:13:43.520 No, no, it's my partner.

00:13:44.400 And we're in a relationship.

00:13:47.580 They're not in love.

00:13:49.240 They're not married.

00:13:50.520 They're not engaged.

00:13:51.820 They're not having an affair.

00:13:54.080 They're in a relationship. 1.00

00:13:56.380 How pathetic. 1.00

00:13:57.720 How pathetic is it that we have now somehow made sex boring? 1.00

00:14:01.700 We've somehow made romance bland and boring. 0.99

00:14:07.340 George Will made this point years ago.

00:14:09.420 He said, Cole Porter didn't sing, let's do it, let's be in a relationship.

00:14:14.560 No, he said, let's do it, let's fall in love.

00:14:18.320 Love is a wonderful thing.

00:14:19.900 Romance is a wonderful thing.

00:14:22.220 Even if an affair, at least there's some sauce to it.

00:14:25.260 At least there's some emotion to it.

00:14:27.260 At least you're participating in it as a human.

00:14:30.200 There's nothing human about how clinical all of this is.

00:14:33.360 You, you have a child, you beget a child and you go to some sterile room with fluorescent lighting 0.93

00:14:42.300 and you have some sadistic doctor kill it.

00:14:48.800 You, I don't know, maybe you have a couple drinks and a wink with some guy down the street 1.00

00:14:53.940 and you beget a child and you say, I'm going to kill that child. 0.96

00:14:58.060 And the guy just hangs around, stays around his apartment. 0.99

00:15:01.180 Then you try to call him because you've come into some trouble.

00:15:03.700 He says, I don't know, I guess you better call the abortion clinic.

00:15:06.520 Let him know you're going to be a little late, huh?

00:15:08.600 All right, we got to go, the game's on.

00:15:10.280 All right, bye.

00:15:11.600 How clinical, how, you treat your child like you're calling an Uber.

00:15:17.920 And then you get the Uber driver to come and you treat him like he's some robot.

00:15:21.260 Like he doesn't have thoughts or feelings.

00:15:23.460 He doesn't have beliefs about anything.

00:15:25.040 His beliefs don't matter because he's inconveniencing you.

00:15:28.660 All that matters is you.

00:15:29.800 You, it's all about you.

00:15:32.360 Nobody else matters.

00:15:33.660 Not the baby, not the boyfriend, not the moral law, certainly not that Uber driver.

00:15:37.980 He's not a person.

00:15:39.060 He's just some grunt who only exists to please you and to acquiesce to any of your whims, 0.90

00:15:44.940 no matter how immoral, no matter how wrong.

00:15:49.540 Compare the reaction that this story is getting

00:15:52.500 with the reaction to a story from Coachella over the weekend.

00:15:56.080 And this story at Coachella has become now a four-day news story, five-day news story.

00:16:04.260 This from TMZ.

00:16:08.040 Coachella woman caught in an utterly despicable act. 1.00

00:16:11.740 Gosh, what was the act?

00:16:14.360 Maybe it was this act of this woman in upstate New York, right? 0.99

00:16:16.820 No, no.

00:16:17.800 Woman caught in an utterly despicable act against puppies.

00:16:23.140 Okay, social media.

00:16:24.940 Do your thing to help the cops find the culprit.

00:16:29.660 Puppies.

00:16:30.140 The story goes on.

00:16:32.160 This is from TMZ.

00:16:33.600 This is utterly despicable.

00:16:35.840 A woman in Coachella was caught on video throwing a bag of three-day-old puppies in a dumpster.

00:16:40.780 And now cops are on the hunt to find her.

00:16:43.300 The Riverside County Animal Services released security footage showing a woman pulling up

00:16:48.260 in a white Jeep Wrangler at a local business earlier this week and tossing a bag filled with

00:16:52.800 seven puppies into the trash bin.

00:16:55.460 About an hour later, someone rummaging through the trash bin discovered the puppies.

00:17:00.140 Fortunately, the puppies survived the ordeal and are being cared for at an Orange County

00:17:05.040 rescue shelter.

00:17:06.480 The Riverside County Animal Services say cops are investigating for animal cruelty but need

00:17:10.880 help identifying the woman. 0.98

00:17:12.160 Okay, social media.

00:17:13.380 Do your thing and find her.

00:17:15.780 This became widespread outrage throughout the country.

00:17:20.140 Trended on Twitter.

00:17:22.060 Everybody covering this for days.

00:17:23.860 News organizations are still covering it.

00:17:25.540 It's Wednesday.

00:17:26.580 When did this story break?

00:17:27.580 Sunday?

00:17:28.040 Saturday?

00:17:29.180 Because there were puppies in a dumpster. 0.63

00:17:32.040 I like puppies.

00:17:33.080 I like puppies just as much as the next guy.

00:17:35.000 I don't think we should throw puppies in a dumpster.

00:17:37.920 Now do babies. 1.00

00:17:41.720 The baby that that woman in upstate New York killed and then got her Uber driver fired for

00:17:48.300 not killing and helping to kill and then is suing her Uber driver for not helping to kill.

00:17:53.260 That baby is infinitely more valuable than all of the puppies in the world combined.

00:18:00.820 Infinitely more.

00:18:02.000 Not just 10% more.

00:18:04.000 Not just, oh, some babies are no good.

00:18:06.020 Some babies cry too much and some puppies are really cute.

00:18:08.660 No.

00:18:08.900 The worst baby in the worst baby in the world is infinitely more valuable than the cutest little puppy that's ever existed.

00:18:17.820 And the left gets this exactly backwards.

00:18:21.520 We talk about this all the time.

00:18:22.800 The left inverts reality all the time.

00:18:27.240 It's not just that it gets it a little bit wrong.

00:18:29.780 We all get things a little bit wrong.

00:18:31.960 That would be understandable.

00:18:33.120 What sets out this perverse ideology is it's not even just perverse, it's inverse.

00:18:39.640 It gets it exactly wrong.

00:18:42.040 We weep for puppies and we are totally neutral, clinical when it comes to the killing of babies.

00:18:51.060 How do you explain that?

00:18:53.200 I know, I know all of the arguments for abortion.

00:18:56.100 I've heard every argument for abortion that has ever been made.

00:18:59.720 They're not terribly compelling arguments, but I've heard them all out.

00:19:03.120 Now, explain to me how you could get yourself so worked up over a puppy being thrown in the trash,

00:19:12.080 but you could have no reaction to a million babies a year.

00:19:16.400 Not just this one baby in New York.

00:19:18.400 A million babies a year being killed.

00:19:21.960 Three day old puppy, three day old baby.

00:19:24.980 Because we're not just talking about abortion at the stage at which the baby doesn't quite look like a baby.

00:19:30.580 Where you can convince yourself, oh, it's not really a baby.

00:19:33.120 It's a tadpole or something.

00:19:35.020 Oh, it's not really a baby.

00:19:36.200 It's a little duck.

00:19:38.320 No, there's because we respond to physical resemblance.

00:19:41.620 There's a stage of human growth where you can convince yourself, oh, it doesn't really quite look like a baby.

00:19:48.520 Also a terrible argument, by the way.

00:19:51.140 Are we now to judge whether people should live or die based on how they look?

00:19:54.440 Is that what you're advocating?

00:19:55.480 Well, I don't like the color of his skin. 1.00

00:19:57.080 Well, I don't know.

00:19:57.940 He doesn't look that cute.

00:20:00.340 The puppy's so much cuter.

00:20:01.580 Is that how we're going to judge?

00:20:02.640 No.

00:20:02.800 But there is that stage where people feel that way.

00:20:06.460 That's not what we're talking about these days in our abortion debates.

00:20:09.800 The abortion law that was just passed in New York isn't about a baby who's a week old.

00:20:13.720 It's about a baby who's being born.

00:20:16.240 The abortion law that was just passed in New York allows babies who are being born to be killed.

00:20:22.940 No questions asked.

00:20:24.660 No big deal.

00:20:25.640 The abortion laws that are being debated in Virginia go further than that.

00:20:31.060 The governor of Virginia said a baby who has been born can be killed.

00:20:36.900 Oh, it's okay.

00:20:37.760 Listen to how clinical he sounds when he describes killing a baby that's already been born.

00:20:43.360 There are, you know, when we talk about third trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of, obviously, the mother, 0.95

00:20:51.220 with the consent of the physicians, more than one physician, by the way.

00:20:56.200 And it's done in cases where there may be severe deformities.

00:20:59.960 There may be a fetus that's non-viable.

00:21:03.180 So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen.

00:21:09.220 The infant would be delivered.

00:21:11.320 The infant would be kept comfortable.

00:21:14.000 The infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired.

00:21:18.220 And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother. 0.73

00:21:23.640 The infant would be delivered.

00:21:25.640 And then the infant would be kept comfortable.

00:21:27.840 And then a discussion would ensue between the mother and the physicians as to whether or not to kill the baby that's already been born

00:21:35.680 and is crying and moving around on the table.

00:21:38.500 And then we would call the mother an Uber. 0.67

00:21:40.220 And the Uber driver would be compelled by the force of corporate America and by the state to participate in any number of abortions we would like. 0.89

00:21:49.900 And then the Uber driver would drop her off at her apartment.

00:21:53.680 And then maybe her boyfriend would answer the phone a little bit later in the night if he wants to.

00:21:59.200 No big deal.

00:22:00.100 I don't understand what all the fuss is about.

00:22:04.700 Why are you all looking at me like I'm some sort of sociopath who just described killing a little baby that was born and is crying on the table?

00:22:12.780 What are you saying? 0.98

00:22:13.780 I'm some sort of sociopath? 0.80

00:22:15.720 Are you accusing me of being somebody who would ever tolerate throwing a puppy in a dumpster?

00:22:20.360 I'm not.

00:22:20.900 I'm not a bad man like that. 0.99

00:22:22.480 I'm just talking about killing babies who have already been born. 0.99

00:22:25.680 It's no big deal.

00:22:26.620 And lest you think that we're just pointing to Andrew Cuomo in New York, the governor, or Ralph Northam, governor of Virginia, as outlier, egregious examples of this.

00:22:38.680 Don't forget the entire cabal of Senate Democrats voted for these sorts of laws.

00:22:46.740 The entire cabal of Senate Democrats voted to deny medical care to babies who survive abortion.

00:22:52.480 All of those Senate Democrats voted to let living babies who have been delivered die on the table while they cry for their mothers.

00:23:02.040 Not just the Senate Democrats.

00:23:04.220 The Democrats who are running for the presidential nomination in 2020.

00:23:08.200 Here's Pete Buttigieg.

00:23:09.380 Pete Buttigieg tries to play himself off as Howdy Doody, just as American as apple pie.

00:23:14.500 He's a moderate.

00:23:15.420 He's not one of these extremists.

00:23:16.880 He's asked by Morning Joe whether or not he thinks that the abortion laws now being debated in New York, the past in New York, in Virginia, among Senate Democrats, whether he thinks they're too extreme.

00:23:29.560 Maybe we shouldn't kill babies as they're being born and after they're being born.

00:23:33.400 Here's what Mayor Pete has to say.

00:23:35.220 Do you support the late term abortion legislation that was passed in the New York state legislature as well as in Virginia?

00:23:43.900 I don't think we need more restrictions right now.

00:23:48.040 Yes.

00:23:48.960 That's what he says.

00:23:50.880 I don't think we need more restrictions right now.

00:23:54.240 Nine words.

00:23:55.140 Could have said it in one word.

00:23:56.280 Yes.

00:23:57.440 Do you think that we should restrict the laws that have been passed in New York and Virginia?

00:24:02.120 No.

00:24:02.620 We shouldn't restrict the laws.

00:24:03.820 Pete Buttigieg.

00:24:05.040 Ask any of the other candidates running for the Democrat nomination for president what they think about abortion as babies are being delivered.

00:24:13.900 Or after babies have been delivered.

00:24:16.080 Either as survivors of abortions or lying on that table in Virginia.

00:24:21.100 Ask them what they think about it.

00:24:22.400 They'll all give exactly the same answer.

00:24:25.400 And they'll give that answer because they are trapped in a clinical lie.

00:24:29.680 They're trapped in the lie that love is an illusion.

00:24:32.200 Human beings are just automatons.

00:24:34.380 They're just individuals.

00:24:35.920 We have no bonds of love or kinship to anybody else.

00:24:39.540 And ultimately, all that matters is not our love for the creator who made us.

00:24:43.620 Is not the moral law.

00:24:45.160 Is not our loyalty and allegiance to our parents and our families and our children.

00:24:49.720 It's not that.

00:24:50.880 It's just what we want.

00:24:52.600 It's all about me, me, me.

00:24:54.500 Don't you ever interfere with numero uno.

00:24:57.100 I like people as much as the next guy. 0.99

00:24:59.320 But stand in my way and I'll rip you to shreds. 0.98

00:25:01.960 That's what they're all saying. 0.98

00:25:03.100 They can't face the reality.

00:25:05.920 They look at clinical fantasy.

00:25:07.680 They can't face the human reality.

00:25:10.180 The human reality of people like John Franklin Stevens.

00:25:13.460 Who every single one of those Democrats in the Senate and running New York and Virginia

00:25:19.140 and running for president right now think it's perfectly acceptable to kill.

00:25:23.860 They can't face people like this man, Frank Stevens, who simply want to be recognized as a human.

00:25:30.140 I am a man.

00:25:33.560 See me as a human being.

00:25:36.560 Not a birth defect.

00:25:39.120 Not a syndrome.

00:25:41.180 I don't need to be eradicated.

00:25:44.720 I don't need to be cured.

00:25:49.780 I need to be loved, valued, educated, and sometimes helped.

00:25:56.480 Allow me to use my life as one of, as one example of what's possible now.

00:26:06.580 Every one of those Democrats, Pete Buttigieg, the Senate Democrats, Andrew Cuomo, Virginia 0.99

00:26:14.620 Governor Ralph Northam would kill that man, would kill him just as soon as look at him. 0.99

00:26:19.480 And if he survived their attempt to kill him in the womb, they would let him die on the table. 1.00

00:26:27.500 They all voted for it. 0.96

00:26:29.800 Every single one of them. 0.66

00:26:31.740 And then they'll cry over puppies in a dumpster. 1.00

00:26:35.040 Well, the puppies are so cute.

00:26:36.180 That's the inversion that we're dealing with. 1.00

00:26:41.900 That's the politics of 2019 that we're dealing with.

00:26:45.100 We're not, we're not allowed to protect little babies in the womb. 0.99

00:26:50.020 According to the left, we can kill children.

00:26:52.200 And according to the left, it is immoral to put children on a diet. 1.00

00:26:57.280 It's okay to kill them. 0.99

00:26:58.500 It's immoral to put children on a diet. 0.99

00:27:00.420 This is a crazy news story, unless you understand the totally inverted logic of the left.

00:27:07.260 We'll get to it in one second.

00:27:08.600 First, I've got to say goodbye to Facebook and YouTube.

00:27:10.900 Go over to dailywire.com.

00:27:12.360 $10 a month, $100 for an annual membership.

00:27:15.280 You get me, you get the Andrew Klavan show, you get the Ben Shapiro show, you get the Matt

00:27:18.660 Walsh show, you get to ask questions in the mailbag coming up tomorrow.

00:27:21.380 Get your questions in.

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00:27:24.240 You get to ask questions backstage.

00:27:25.780 You get so much.

00:27:27.660 And you get the leftist tears tumbler.

00:27:29.020 I was at Cal State LA yesterday.

00:27:31.960 The Q&A session got pretty rowdy, to say the least.

00:27:37.100 There were professors at this university who came up to me, looked me in the face, and

00:27:41.740 said, speech is violence.

00:27:44.780 Who said, Michael, look up the definition of violence.

00:27:47.960 You'll find out that speech is violence.

00:27:49.960 Spoiler alert, I looked it up.

00:27:51.180 It's not. 0.99

00:27:52.860 Very crazy, crazy professors. 1.00

00:27:56.240 Frankly, the professors were far more extreme and far more ignorant than the students. 1.00

00:28:02.180 You can check that out. 0.63

00:28:03.160 I assume we'll put that online today if it's not already online.

00:28:05.660 You're going to need the leftist tears tumbler to watch it, though.

00:28:07.920 You can't.

00:28:08.580 It's like looking at a solar eclipse.

00:28:10.900 You can't look at it directly or you'll blind yourself.

00:28:13.820 You have to look at it through a certain instrument.

00:28:17.560 You can't watch the video at Cal State LA directly.

00:28:21.400 You'll drown yourself.

00:28:22.280 You have to look through it with an instrument called the leftist tears tumbler.

00:28:25.880 Go to dailywire.com.

00:28:26.820 We'll be right back with a lot more. 1.00

00:28:27.740 According to the left, we can kill our children, kill our children after they've been born, 0.99

00:28:43.200 but we cannot put our children on a diet. 1.00

00:28:46.320 This is according to a fat sex therapist. 0.99

00:28:51.780 I'm not describing her as fat, by the way. 0.99

00:28:53.940 This is the title that she goes by, the fat sex therapist, Sonali Rachatoir. 1.00

00:29:01.120 She is non-binary, she says, so I guess I'm not even allowed to use the pronoun she. 0.95

00:29:06.720 I have to call her like blah, blah, blah.

00:29:08.540 I don't know.

00:29:08.940 I don't know what the correct non-binary pronoun is.

00:29:11.460 She was giving a lecture at the University of Texas on the, quote, business of medical

00:29:16.820 fat phobia, and here is what she has to say about the morality of putting children on a 0.97

00:29:22.660 diet.

00:29:23.620 And I truly believe that a child cannot consent to being on a diet the way a child cannot

00:29:28.640 consent to having sex.

00:29:30.740 That is why I identify what I experience as a child as non-consensual diets.

00:29:36.160 This statement got me in a little bit of hot water because folks are, folks feel like

00:29:41.320 we can't call things sexual violence if they don't include an experience of assault.

00:29:50.320 But I experience diet culture as a form of assault because it impacts the way that I experience

00:29:56.220 my body.

00:29:56.760 You cannot, after leaving this room, continue to call yourself progressive or leftist or 0.59

00:30:07.580 radical or a Marxist or a communist or a socialist or an anarchist and still hold on to fat phobic

00:30:18.360 values.

00:30:19.680 Because fat phobia is tied into ableism.

00:30:22.320 Fat phobia is tied into classism.

00:30:24.040 Fat phobia is tied into capitalism, into this understanding that a system is telling us

00:30:29.480 that there is an inherent rank and hierarchy of body worthiness.

00:30:34.220 She does make one good point.

00:30:36.600 Fat phobia is tied in with capitalism in so much as because of capitalism, all of us are

00:30:43.780 extremely rich and people are getting very fat because there's a lot of abundance.

00:30:48.100 There's a lot of wealth and food to go around.

00:30:49.680 So it is true.

00:30:50.980 In so much as fat phobia is tied to being fat, being fat definitely is tied to capitalism. 0.93

00:30:56.940 If you want to get rid of fat phobia, you've got to get rid of people who are fat.

00:31:02.640 And if you want to get rid of people who are fat, I highly recommend socialism.

00:31:06.400 Socialism does an incredible job of thinning people down.

00:31:09.460 You can look in Venezuela.

00:31:10.940 You can look in Cuba.

00:31:11.880 You can look in the Soviet Union.

00:31:13.300 You can look in China.

00:31:14.480 You can look anywhere socialism has ever been tried.

00:31:16.540 You can look to North Korea. 0.74

00:31:18.760 Socialism does a very good job of eradicating fat phobia by eradicating fat people, really by 0.52

00:31:23.680 eradicating people to begin with.

00:31:25.460 This woman, Sonali Rachetuar, says that children cannot consent to being on a diet any more than

00:31:35.540 children can consent to having sex.

00:31:38.660 Okay.

00:31:40.060 Okay.

00:31:40.800 Let's follow that argument to its logical conclusion.

00:31:44.860 What does Sonali Rachetuar think about children who say that they are transgender?

00:31:50.260 What does Sonali Rachetuar think of the treatment of children who say they're transgender and

00:31:56.960 then their parents stop them from going through puberty?

00:31:59.900 They inject them from a ton of hormones, with a ton of hormones, and they castrate them.

00:32:05.720 Can children consent to being castrated?

00:32:08.060 Can children consent to being shot up with a bunch of hormones?

00:32:11.020 Can children be consenting to not going through puberty?

00:32:14.860 Probably not.

00:32:18.820 Let's take it back a step further.

00:32:20.720 If children can't consent to going on a diet, can children consent to being killed in the womb?

00:32:27.320 Because I don't think you ask the baby's permission when you try to kill it in the womb.

00:32:31.740 And actually, we have lots of evidence that babies fight back, that they don't want to be killed,

00:32:35.740 that they're in pain in some cases.

00:32:37.940 They certainly, from all, everything that we can tell, the babies are not consenting to being killed in the womb.

00:32:45.460 Even if they were, even if they said, yeah, bring it on, we're all for it, yeah.

00:32:50.200 By your logic, babies are too young to consent to being killed in the womb.

00:32:55.680 Surely being killed in the womb is far more egregious than being put on a diet,

00:33:00.480 or more egregious than being shot full of hormones,

00:33:04.100 even more egregious than being assaulted, because you're being killed. 0.98

00:33:07.940 Why does that logic hold up to fat kids being allowed to remain fat kids 0.89

00:33:16.140 and not being put on a diet by their parents, 0.99

00:33:18.020 but it doesn't hold up to the transgender argument or to killing them in the womb? 1.00

00:33:25.020 Something tells me this is all about subjective preference. 0.99

00:33:29.680 This is all about fantasy.

00:33:32.380 This is all about desires and making everybody acquiesce to your desires. 0.99

00:33:36.200 The woman calls herself the fat sex therapist, so I'll take her at her word. 1.00

00:33:41.080 If you can't see the video, she's very, very large. 0.99

00:33:44.360 She's definitely not healthy.

00:33:47.340 Nobody thinks that this woman is in good physical shape. 1.00

00:33:49.800 When you're not healthy, when you're morbidly obese, that has very difficult health consequences.

00:33:56.680 You can die sooner.

00:33:58.020 You can develop a lot of illnesses.

00:33:59.440 You can develop type 2 diabetes.

00:34:01.120 You can have to go on lots of medications.

00:34:03.060 You might have to be taken care of.

00:34:04.640 Under socialist health care systems, we all have to pay for your medical care.

00:34:09.180 However, it's not good to be morbidly obese.

00:34:12.680 It doesn't mean you're immoral. 0.69

00:34:16.160 It doesn't mean you're going to burn in hell. 0.97

00:34:17.680 It doesn't mean you're a terrible person if you're morbidly obese. 0.70

00:34:20.920 But it does mean something's wrong.

00:34:23.200 Maybe you can work on that thing that's wrong.

00:34:25.600 This woman is not standing while she's giving her lecture. 1.00

00:34:28.080 She's sitting in a big, comfy armchair.

00:34:30.400 I assume that's part of the presentation.

00:34:32.200 I assume that's part of the point she's trying to make.

00:34:34.480 Which is, how dare you tell me that I should lose some weight?

00:34:39.340 That it would be better if I lost some weight.

00:34:41.260 She says, I experience diets as assault.

00:34:45.260 I think we all do.

00:34:46.480 We just came out of the period of Lent.

00:34:48.200 Lent is the period of a penitential season before Easter where you're supposed to deny yourself.

00:34:53.340 A lot of people eat less food during this time.

00:34:55.680 It's not fun to eat less food.

00:34:57.660 You are denying yourself.

00:34:58.880 You're making a sacrifice.

00:35:00.840 It's good to deny yourself.

00:35:02.260 It's good to have discipline.

00:35:03.260 It's good to make sacrifices for something that is outside yourself.

00:35:08.760 But by these sorts of arguments, fatphobia just being the new word that we're using,

00:35:14.820 you could use any of the other new words.

00:35:18.700 It's just a way to rationalize prioritizing our subjective preferences over objective reality.

00:35:25.740 It seems to me this woman doesn't want to lose weight. 1.00

00:35:29.580 She says as much.

00:35:30.520 And her justification for why she doesn't want to lose weight and become healthier is it doesn't make her feel good. 0.99

00:35:38.840 She, I don't want to.

00:35:40.220 That's her justification.

00:35:41.760 That's the beginning and the end of her argument.

00:35:43.380 And then she's trying to extrapolate her subjective feeling to children.

00:35:47.960 So say if there's some fat kid who's being fed a diet of 5,000 calories a day and he's really fat,

00:35:54.700 it's wrong of you to tell him to lose weight.

00:35:57.240 Why is it wrong?

00:35:58.000 Because if you can tell him to lose weight, you can tell me to lose weight and I don't want to lose weight.

00:36:01.820 Well, let's take her argument just on its face.

00:36:03.940 If it's immoral to tell fat kids to go on a diet, isn't it also immoral to feed fat kids a really highly caloric diet?

00:36:14.340 The fat kid can't consent to go on a diet any more than the fat kid can consent to eat what the food that you prepare for him. 0.91

00:36:22.800 Fat kids don't make their own food. 0.98

00:36:24.600 They're kids. 0.99

00:36:25.940 Their food is made for them by their parents.

00:36:28.060 Or if their parents don't make them lunch by the school or by the government.

00:36:33.020 They're not consenting to one or the other.

00:36:34.660 Why is it wrong to put the kid on a healthy diet, but it's not wrong to put the kid on an unhealthy diet?

00:36:41.660 They can't consent.

00:36:43.360 Well, maybe the kid wants to eat chocolate all day.

00:36:46.580 Okay, maybe he does.

00:36:48.360 But he can't consent.

00:36:49.960 The argument of consent can't work in the instances that are convenient for you,

00:36:53.860 but not in the instances that are inconvenient for you.

00:36:57.200 You have to have a rule.

00:36:59.100 You have to follow objective reality, not subjective nonsense.

00:37:06.980 Now, I think some people are waking up to this.

00:37:10.020 That's the hopeful side of it.

00:37:11.700 Because obviously, you look at that video and you say, this is so crazy.

00:37:16.860 There are a lot of people who believe it.

00:37:18.200 There are a lot of people in that audience.

00:37:19.380 I was at Cal State LA yesterday, and there was a girl who held up a sign.

00:37:23.580 It said, anti-immigrant speech is violence.

00:37:26.700 And I said, no, it's not.

00:37:30.780 She said, no, it is violence.

00:37:31.880 I said, no, violence is when you harm somebody physically.

00:37:35.860 Nobody in this room has been harmed physically.

00:37:38.240 They said, yes, yes, no.

00:37:39.700 Your speech is harming racial minority students.

00:37:42.840 I said, it's not.

00:37:44.180 Virtually the entire audience was made up of various racial minorities.

00:37:47.460 I said, I'm looking at all of you.

00:37:49.060 None of you have been injured.

00:37:51.040 I'm not, I can't see, there is no physical difference between how you look now

00:37:55.200 and how you looked when you walked into the room.

00:37:57.340 And there was a young black girl who called out.

00:37:59.320 She said, well, have you asked any of us if we've been injured?

00:38:03.500 I said, no, I don't need to ask you if you've been injured because I can see with my own eyes.

00:38:09.760 I can see that my words haven't leapt out of my mouth and grown big fists 0.51

00:38:15.040 and marched over to you and punched you in the face.

00:38:17.780 I know that's true in objective reality.

00:38:20.000 Now, what she was trying to say, that young girl is, you can never know if you've harmed me.

00:38:25.240 Only I can know if you've harmed me.

00:38:27.380 Only I can say if you've harmed me.

00:38:30.020 Only I can define reality.

00:38:32.980 You can't perceive reality, especially as a white man, or in my case, a slightly off-white man. 0.79

00:38:39.800 You can't define that.

00:38:41.400 You can't perceive anything.

00:38:42.500 Only I can.

00:38:44.280 That's not true. 0.98

00:38:45.140 But the fat sex therapist says that her opinions are true because she feels them 0.93

00:38:52.500 and she really wants them to be true. 0.95

00:38:54.460 It's not an argument.

00:38:56.580 The girl at the theater said, we've been hurt.

00:39:00.500 She said, no, you haven't.

00:39:01.580 Show me any evidence.

00:39:02.400 They say, my feelings.

00:39:03.300 I want to have been hurt.

00:39:05.580 Not an argument.

00:39:06.900 When I was leaving the University of Missouri, Kansas City a week or two ago,

00:39:10.700 all those crazy screaming students were walking out.

00:39:15.620 And they said, we're oppressed. 0.81

00:39:17.320 We're oppressed. 0.99

00:39:18.680 You're awful. 0.97

00:39:19.720 You're oppressing us. 1.00

00:39:20.840 I said, I'm looking at you.

00:39:22.440 You're here in the most prosperous country in the history of the world.

00:39:25.520 You're in the most just, equitable country in the history of the world.

00:39:28.360 You all have nice clothing on.

00:39:29.580 We're in a very lovely place.

00:39:30.720 Temperature controlled room.

00:39:31.920 You're at a university getting a college education.

00:39:34.240 You're here voluntarily at a lecture.

00:39:36.520 You must be really oppressed, huh? 0.93

00:39:38.540 And they looked at me dead serious with those crazy eyes and said, we are oppressed. 0.88

00:39:45.680 Yes. 0.86

00:39:46.460 Yes, we are.

00:39:47.820 No, you want to be oppressed.

00:39:49.920 You want to be oppressed because being oppressed carries with it social advantage, social privileges.

00:39:57.420 You want to be special.

00:40:00.320 You want to get certain social advantages.

00:40:03.720 And so the only way that you, any American, could say, I am oppressed is to say, only my subjective feeling defines reality.

00:40:14.920 And that is a bridge too far, even for some really out there people.

00:40:20.340 That is a bridge too far, even for Cher.

00:40:24.600 I am loving this, watching the progression of Cher.

00:40:29.440 You know, Sonny and Cher, the singer, crazy leftist, becoming slowly a Republican.

00:40:36.260 That's what's happening. 0.82

00:40:37.300 We're getting woke Cher.

00:40:38.160 When, you know, Bill Kristol went from being a conservative to being, I guess, a liberal now or something.

00:40:45.180 I mean, he's very, certainly on the left now.

00:40:47.140 They called him woke Bill Kristol.

00:40:48.680 Now we're getting woke Cher.

00:40:50.060 Woke Cher just tweeted out after that town hall we were talking about yesterday where Bernie Sanders and all the other candidates said that terrorists and the Boston Marathon bomber should be able to get the right to vote.

00:41:02.740 Bernie Sanders said that the Boston Marathon bomber should get the right to vote in prison.

00:41:08.160 Cher tweeted out, does Bernie Sanders really believe people in prison who are murderers, there's crazy capitalizations and strange spellings, so bear with me, who are rapists, who are child molesters, then all caps, Boston bombers still deserve the right to vote.

00:41:29.060 Yes, Bernie Sanders really believes that.

00:41:31.320 It's not just Bernie though.

00:41:32.380 Well, Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon asked all the other candidates, he said, you don't agree with Bernie Sanders that the Boston Marathon bomber should have the right to vote, right?

00:41:41.860 And what did Kamala Harris say?

00:41:43.740 Well, no, it's very important.

00:41:45.080 I think we have to have that conversation.

00:41:47.740 I said, what?

00:41:49.200 Asked Pete Buttigieg.

00:41:50.980 Do you think that terrorists and rapists should have the right to vote?

00:41:54.440 Well, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

00:41:57.080 Certainly once they've gotten out of prison.

00:41:59.600 Yeah, absolutely.

00:42:00.340 And Don Lemon and Chris Cuomo, both Democrats, both left-wingers, looking at him like, are you kidding me?

00:42:05.440 What are you doing to my party?

00:42:11.500 This is an extreme and people are waking up to this.

00:42:14.040 People are waking up to this, the phobia language.

00:42:17.120 What is fat phobia?

00:42:18.700 It's the irrational fear of being in bad health.

00:42:21.540 It's not an irrational fear.

00:42:23.380 That's a perfectly rational fear.

00:42:24.720 Plenty of people have it.

00:42:27.280 I have fears about behaviors that I engage in.

00:42:29.460 I try to stop those behaviors.

00:42:33.040 People are waking up to all of this subjective, crazy language, which has led us to these extreme policy positions

00:42:39.920 where now you have the leading Democrat candidates for president advocating, giving terrorists

00:42:46.780 who have murdered Americans the right to vote, the right to select the president while they are in prison.

00:42:53.320 Cher had previously tweeted out, quote,

00:42:55.720 I understand helping struggling immigrants, but my city, Los Angeles, isn't taking care of its own.

00:43:01.460 What about the 50,000 plus citizens who live on the streets, people who live below poverty, people who are hungry?

00:43:07.720 If my state can't take care of its own, many are veterans. 1.00

00:43:10.260 How can it take care of more?

00:43:12.620 Waking up, they're saying, wait a second.

00:43:14.600 You're telling me that we're going to let in 3,000 foreign nationals a day come into our country

00:43:20.780 and on average use more welfare programs over generations than native-born Americans

00:43:25.660 and on average commit more federal crimes than native-born Americans?

00:43:29.320 And we're going to, wait, wait, hold on, hold on.

00:43:32.100 That's a little too much even for me.

00:43:33.940 So Cher, Don Lemon, Chris Cuomo, they might all share the premises of this radical left.

00:43:41.900 They just haven't followed them to their logical conclusions.

00:43:44.520 And as those arguments reach their logical conclusions, I think we're going to see a lot of people wake up,

00:43:50.100 say, gosh, that's not what I meant to do at all.

00:43:52.340 Sorry, we got to reverse course.

00:43:54.060 C.S. Lewis talks about this.

00:43:55.300 When you're going down a road, when you're going in the wrong direction,

00:43:59.700 the guy to stop and turn around, go in the other direction, is the real progressive.

00:44:05.220 He's the only one who's progressive.

00:44:07.280 You might think you're both marching down the road to progress.

00:44:10.640 If you're going in the wrong direction, the guy who turns around, he's the progressive.

00:44:13.880 I think we're going to get a lot more woke people in addition to Cher as this 2020 race goes on. 1.00

00:44:18.540 That's our show.

00:44:19.160 I'm going to be sitting in for Ben on the radio show today, so be sure to tune in for that.

00:44:22.440 That'll be a lot of fun.

00:44:23.060 In the meantime, get your mailbag questions in.

00:44:26.180 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:44:26.940 This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:44:53.060 Hey, guys, over on the Matt Wall Show today, an Uber driver has been fired for refusing to take a woman to get an abortion.

00:45:05.780 It's an interesting case.

00:45:07.260 I believe the driver is heroic in what he did, but should he have been fired as he was?

00:45:12.560 And does the woman have a legal case now against the driver as she prepares to sue him? 1.00

00:45:18.000 Does she have a case at all?

00:45:18.960 We'll talk about that.

00:45:20.080 Also, Charlize Theron says that her three-year-old son discovered magically that he's really a girl.

00:45:26.800 We'll discuss that.

00:45:27.860 And following up on a conversation from yesterday, I have been told that I lack sympathy for college graduates because I don't want their student loans forgiven.

00:45:36.900 So we'll talk about that a little bit more.

00:45:38.640 And what actually is the sympathetic and compassionate position to take on this subject?

00:45:45.200 We'll discuss that today on The Matt Wall Show.

The Michael Knowles Show - April 24, 2019

Ep. 337 - Our Clinical Culture

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