The Michael Knowles Show


Ep. 35 - RIP, Hef： The Playboy Philosophy — plus, Mailbag!


Summary

Playboy founder Hugh Hefner has died at 91, leaving behind a wife, children, and a family of friends. His legacy will live on in the minds of people who remember him as the founder of one of the most famous men in American history.


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00:00:30.840 Playboy Playboy Hugh Hefner has died at 91.
00:00:34.660 We'll examine how the Playboy philosophy
00:00:36.640 transformed America.
00:00:38.420 Then, Ariel Davidson, Zoe Rachel,
00:00:40.320 and his eminence Paul Bois
00:00:42.020 join the panel of deplorables
00:00:43.820 to discuss sex, sex, sex,
00:00:47.040 half-naked lady football players
00:00:48.580 and President Trump's partial birth abortion ban.
00:00:51.760 Finally, the mailbag,
00:00:52.760 in which I am accused of idolatry
00:00:54.900 and clear up much religious confusion.
00:00:57.260 I'm Michael Knowles.
00:00:58.620 This is The Michael Knowles Show.
00:01:07.360 So, Hef is dead.
00:01:09.240 Sad day.
00:01:10.120 Sad for Hef and his family.
00:01:11.720 Yeah, it wipes out all the NFL news.
00:01:14.560 So now we have to do a whole show about sex.
00:01:16.200 And I actually sort of feel bad for Hugh Hefner
00:01:19.300 when I think about this.
00:01:20.300 This thought occurs to me every time
00:01:21.860 either some libertine dies
00:01:23.500 or a virtuous great man dies
00:01:25.660 because you sort of think,
00:01:27.700 well, Hefner probably had a lot of fun in his life.
00:01:29.900 He probably had one or two fun experiences at least.
00:01:35.380 And he's dying with his family and friends around him,
00:01:39.100 his 26-year-old wife around him.
00:01:41.240 And the thing that people are going to say about him is,
00:01:43.260 man, he had a fun life.
00:01:44.540 He had a good time.
00:01:45.520 I bet he had a lot of fun.
00:01:47.260 But when a good man dies,
00:01:49.960 he's surrounded by his wife of 50 years
00:01:52.940 and his memories and his children and his friends.
00:01:56.300 And they say he was a good man.
00:01:57.840 Maybe they even say he was a great man.
00:02:00.220 And it does really put things into perspective.
00:02:03.500 It shows that hanging concentrates the mind wonderfully,
00:02:06.360 as they say,
00:02:06.980 which actually we'll get to in a mailbag question.
00:02:09.620 So we have to delve right into it
00:02:11.080 because Hugh Hefner,
00:02:12.800 it was a colorful character.
00:02:14.220 He was a lot of fun to watch.
00:02:16.080 He, depending on your point of view,
00:02:18.300 destroyed America or, you know,
00:02:20.580 brought it into an age of Aquarius.
00:02:22.680 But he did have the playboy philosophy.
00:02:25.700 And here is Hef explaining the playboy philosophy
00:02:28.340 to another sort of playboy,
00:02:30.640 William F. Buckley Jr.
00:02:31.640 Yes, it covers a lot of ground.
00:02:33.280 I'm not talking about whether or not you reject
00:02:34.700 Cotton Mather's accretions on the Mosaic Law,
00:02:39.620 but whether you reject the Mosaic Law.
00:02:43.860 Do you reject, for instance, monogamy?
00:02:46.600 Do you reject the notion of sexual continence before marriage?
00:02:53.220 Yourself, that is to say,
00:02:54.380 you as a philosopher of the new ideal of sexual liberation.
00:02:58.420 Well, I think what it really comes down to
00:03:01.800 is an attempt to establish a,
00:03:03.880 you know, what's been called a new morality.
00:03:07.760 And I really think that's what the American,
00:03:08.980 you know, this thing called the American sexual revolution
00:03:11.720 is really all about.
00:03:14.300 It's an attempt to replace the old legalism.
00:03:17.640 It's certainly not a rejection of monogamy as such,
00:03:22.100 but very much an attempt.
00:03:24.280 In the case of premarital sex,
00:03:26.060 there really hasn't been any moral code in the past
00:03:28.620 except simply a thou shalt not.
00:03:31.140 Well, that's a code, isn't it?
00:03:32.440 Well, perhaps.
00:03:34.360 I don't think it's a very realistic one.
00:03:36.860 It's amazing to watch those two men
00:03:39.000 who come from completely different sides
00:03:41.060 of the sexual revolution, the cultural revolution,
00:03:43.620 and to just look at how they comport themselves.
00:03:45.920 Bill Buckley is sort of smiling.
00:03:47.640 He's relaxed.
00:03:48.440 He's confident.
00:03:49.640 He has a depth of knowledge that he's bringing out.
00:03:52.100 And then you cut to young Hef,
00:03:53.660 who cut a decent jib.
00:03:55.300 He's a fairly good-looking guy,
00:03:56.700 but his brows are furrowed.
00:03:58.580 He seems nervous.
00:03:59.460 He seems almost to have a sort of shame on him
00:04:02.240 to be discussing the revolution
00:04:04.320 that he is helping to lead.
00:04:06.500 And the question that we have to ask ourselves
00:04:09.800 is what does the sexual revolution look like
00:04:12.000 60 years later,
00:04:13.120 after Hugh Hefner ushered in this era?
00:04:16.080 And the numbers don't look good.
00:04:17.940 Rape rates have tripled since 1950,
00:04:20.160 according to the FBI annual crime reports.
00:04:22.100 In 1965, 24% of black infants were born out of wedlock.
00:04:27.000 3.1% of white infants were born out of wedlock.
00:04:29.960 Today, 72% of black infants are born out of wedlock
00:04:33.480 almost three times, or exactly three times, rather.
00:04:36.060 And 29.4% of white infants born out of wedlock.
00:04:39.200 In 1960, the divorce rate was 22%.
00:04:42.220 Since 1985, the divorce rate has wavered
00:04:45.080 between 40% and 50%, more than doubled.
00:04:47.860 Today, more black babies are aborted than born
00:04:51.060 in New York City.
00:04:52.400 And porn is a $5 billion per year industry.
00:04:56.120 The numbers are apparently $4 billion
00:04:57.500 from in-store purchases
00:04:59.860 and another billion dollars on the internet.
00:05:02.820 This isn't the only way, though,
00:05:04.860 to think about sex and sexuality.
00:05:07.260 As Hefner says, he's reacting to puritanism.
00:05:11.460 He's reacting to prudishness.
00:05:13.560 But you wouldn't call a guy like Bill Buckley
00:05:15.580 exactly a prude.
00:05:16.540 And here is Bill Buckley giving another sense
00:05:19.520 of sensuality and sexuality.
00:05:23.200 Mr. Buckley, do you think miniskirts are in good taste?
00:05:27.280 Do I think what?
00:05:28.260 Miniskirts are in good taste.
00:05:30.320 On you, I think they are.
00:05:36.860 Good legs are in good taste.
00:05:38.440 I never would have figured you for that time.
00:05:43.700 Don't you just love the guy?
00:05:45.020 Bill Buckley, I love just sometimes
00:05:47.280 just when I'm in the shower,
00:05:48.600 I'll just be reading news headlines
00:05:50.220 and I'll just say like,
00:05:51.320 William F. Buckley Jr.
00:05:54.340 I mean, where did that guy go?
00:05:55.680 Where did that culture go?
00:05:56.760 Who knows?
00:05:57.360 But it makes it a real point,
00:05:59.380 which is Bill Buckley isn't saying,
00:06:01.320 go away, I hate miniskirts.
00:06:02.580 Miniskirts are terrible.
00:06:04.060 Any woman who wears them
00:06:05.320 is going to be burned in hell forever.
00:06:07.320 And we all need to wear burkas.
00:06:09.160 Absolutely not.
00:06:09.900 That isn't the opposite of playboyism,
00:06:13.540 of the playboy philosophy.
00:06:14.940 The answer is to make a little joke about it,
00:06:17.200 to say, yeah, I like nice legs.
00:06:19.380 I like miniskirts.
00:06:20.280 They look really good on you.
00:06:21.540 For the society,
00:06:22.500 they're probably not a good sign.
00:06:24.000 But if you're wearing one,
00:06:25.140 that's just fine by me.
00:06:26.680 It's a more human approach.
00:06:28.600 And I'm not sure exactly
00:06:30.220 what Hugh Hefner was reacting against
00:06:32.160 as he's describing puritanism
00:06:34.480 and the playboy philosophy.
00:06:35.560 But it isn't that.
00:06:36.820 He isn't reacting against
00:06:37.900 traditional sexual practices
00:06:41.860 and traditional sexual morality.
00:06:44.500 It seems to me that these people,
00:06:47.280 they think they invented sex.
00:06:48.840 They think that they invented all of this.
00:06:50.540 But they didn't do that.
00:06:51.360 They just made it more boring.
00:06:53.340 They accomplished the impossible.
00:06:55.820 You know, Playboy's subscriptions
00:06:57.380 have been falling for decades.
00:06:59.720 They may have been consumed
00:07:00.940 in their own revolution.
00:07:02.140 And they created men
00:07:04.560 that aren't manly in the real sense.
00:07:07.160 They might be libertine,
00:07:08.400 but they're not liberated.
00:07:10.180 They're not really free.
00:07:11.120 It reminds me of C.S. Lewis's
00:07:13.300 Men Without Chests
00:07:14.840 in Abolition of Man.
00:07:16.580 He says, quote,
00:07:17.200 you can't go on seeing
00:07:18.340 through things forever.
00:07:20.260 The whole point of seeing
00:07:21.280 through something
00:07:22.040 is to see something through it.
00:07:24.160 To see through all things
00:07:25.500 is the same as not to see.
00:07:28.040 And that might be the point.
00:07:29.200 Hugh Hefner says,
00:07:30.120 well, the old sexual laws,
00:07:32.760 they're outdated and ridiculous
00:07:33.960 and we need to get past them.
00:07:35.420 Get past them to what?
00:07:37.060 What is going to replace that?
00:07:38.300 He says he's going to build
00:07:39.220 a new morality.
00:07:40.200 He didn't build a new morality.
00:07:41.300 He just got rid of morality.
00:07:42.860 But you can't see
00:07:44.660 through things forever.
00:07:46.040 And Lewis goes on,
00:07:47.580 quote,
00:07:47.920 in a sort of ghastly simplicity,
00:07:50.020 we remove the organ
00:07:51.000 and demand the function.
00:07:52.840 We make men without chests
00:07:54.380 and expect of them
00:07:55.680 virtue and enterprise.
00:07:56.940 We laugh at honor
00:07:58.860 and are shocked
00:07:59.940 to find traitors in our midst.
00:08:02.340 We castrate and build the gelding,
00:08:04.340 bid the geldings be fruitful.
00:08:06.880 We're creating these men
00:08:08.420 where when Hugh Hefner dies,
00:08:09.780 I don't think a lot of people
00:08:10.960 are going to say,
00:08:11.580 there was a great man.
00:08:12.700 There is a life well lived.
00:08:14.100 We'll joke about it.
00:08:14.980 We'll say,
00:08:15.280 oh, he had a good life.
00:08:16.200 Yeah, gosh,
00:08:17.080 I wish I had that life.
00:08:18.200 But we don't really mean
00:08:19.500 that this is a guy
00:08:20.540 who lived a life worth admiring.
00:08:22.020 We won't tell our children,
00:08:23.280 do what Hugh Hefner did
00:08:24.320 because he was a man
00:08:25.420 without a chest.
00:08:26.440 And speaking of chests,
00:08:27.560 we need to get to people
00:08:28.300 who certainly have chests.
00:08:30.140 That would be
00:08:30.640 the Lingerie Football League.
00:08:32.800 Now, I think it's now called
00:08:33.900 the Legend Football League
00:08:35.500 or something like that.
00:08:37.100 It's, that's what they,
00:08:37.980 I guess that's what they say
00:08:39.140 it's called now,
00:08:39.640 but it's the Lingerie Football League.
00:08:40.960 I actually didn't know
00:08:41.660 this thing existed
00:08:42.580 until this morning.
00:08:44.180 And then I did a lot of research
00:08:45.280 over my morning coffee.
00:08:46.540 And it's this league
00:08:47.980 where women wear skimpy outfits
00:08:50.500 and play football, I guess.
00:08:52.100 But the reason they're
00:08:54.140 culturally relevant right now
00:08:55.880 is that they're standing up
00:08:57.480 for America
00:08:58.020 while the NFL player ingrates
00:09:00.020 are taking a knee.
00:09:01.340 The LFL,
00:09:02.560 the last bastion of hope
00:09:03.800 for our country,
00:09:05.240 is the LFL
00:09:06.680 is coming out
00:09:07.780 and saying, quote,
00:09:09.580 the LFL recognizes
00:09:11.100 everyone's First Amendment
00:09:11.940 right to protest,
00:09:13.080 but our nation's flag
00:09:14.620 and anthem
00:09:15.180 are far too sacred.
00:09:17.400 Quote,
00:09:17.760 too many fellow Americans
00:09:19.160 have made the ultimate sacrifice
00:09:21.200 so that our flag
00:09:22.800 and anthem
00:09:23.460 continue
00:09:24.080 in all its majesty.
00:09:26.600 Well done, ladies.
00:09:27.700 A great show for America.
00:09:29.280 Really appreciate you.
00:09:30.360 With that,
00:09:31.020 we have to bring on
00:09:31.880 our panel of deplorables.
00:09:34.000 I was thinking today,
00:09:34.940 for this show,
00:09:35.540 which is all about sex, sex, sex,
00:09:36.980 I figured that we should do
00:09:38.160 an all-female panel.
00:09:39.260 They've told me,
00:09:39.840 absolutely not.
00:09:40.800 HR simply will not be able
00:09:42.380 to handle the complaints
00:09:43.320 that come in.
00:09:43.960 So instead,
00:09:44.800 we brought on one female,
00:09:46.120 Ariel Davidson.
00:09:46.700 We have on Zoe Rachel
00:09:48.720 and his eminence,
00:09:50.420 Paul Bois.
00:09:51.700 Everybody,
00:09:52.220 thank you for being here.
00:09:53.780 Zoe.
00:09:55.000 Zoe,
00:09:55.880 can you hear me, Zoe?
00:09:56.800 Are you plugging your thing in?
00:09:59.740 There we go.
00:10:00.960 We were on a real tight ship
00:10:02.320 over here
00:10:02.660 at the Michael Knowles show.
00:10:03.520 Yeah, that is.
00:10:04.120 It was setting up
00:10:04.940 during the panel.
00:10:06.520 Zoe.
00:10:06.860 Considering the subject matter.
00:10:08.960 Yeah,
00:10:09.640 he was doing some research
00:10:11.220 on the Lingerie Football League, too.
00:10:12.660 Now,
00:10:13.000 I know that you're
00:10:13.760 a former Lingerie League player,
00:10:15.560 and these women,
00:10:16.900 these women are really
00:10:18.280 the voice of reason here.
00:10:19.700 Is it time
00:10:20.700 that we finally
00:10:21.980 buy into the feminist notion
00:10:23.680 that women should
00:10:24.700 rule the world?
00:10:27.300 No, no,
00:10:28.060 that hasn't worked out.
00:10:29.280 I mean,
00:10:29.520 when Adam took that advice
00:10:31.300 from Eve,
00:10:32.980 you know,
00:10:33.180 who wanted to assume
00:10:33.920 authority at that point,
00:10:35.440 and the weird thing is
00:10:36.460 is that Eve
00:10:37.480 got her suggestion
00:10:38.840 from another guy.
00:10:39.860 So it kind of balances out.
00:10:41.280 That is true.
00:10:42.740 It was that other guy
00:10:43.700 who told,
00:10:44.400 yeah,
00:10:44.580 that's a great point.
00:10:44.960 It was that other guy.
00:10:45.960 But what does that have to do
00:10:47.140 with my looking
00:10:47.720 at the Lingerie Football League?
00:10:49.180 This presents a real
00:10:50.200 theological problem.
00:10:51.760 Ariel,
00:10:52.340 Because you've got to
00:10:53.080 think with your head, man.
00:10:54.020 It's hard to do that
00:10:54.760 when you're looking at lingerie.
00:10:56.240 That is true.
00:10:57.080 The blood rushes,
00:10:58.040 the blood rushes away
00:10:59.380 from my brain.
00:11:00.520 Ariel,
00:11:00.980 between the Playboy philosophy
00:11:02.200 and feminism,
00:11:03.300 men have got it pretty good.
00:11:05.260 Easy sex,
00:11:06.180 we don't need to pick up
00:11:07.020 the check,
00:11:07.540 we don't have to open the door,
00:11:08.900 we don't have any accountability.
00:11:10.540 The age of chivalry
00:11:12.140 is dead.
00:11:13.200 But in the age
00:11:14.240 of the Playboy philosophy,
00:11:15.840 how can women
00:11:16.500 regain their status?
00:11:18.800 Wow,
00:11:19.300 that is a loaded question.
00:11:20.900 I have a lot of feelings on it.
00:11:22.460 So I'll start,
00:11:23.160 when I don't know where to start,
00:11:24.100 I'll start anywhere.
00:11:24.840 By the way, Ariel,
00:11:25.720 that's a great way to begin
00:11:26.880 with how women
00:11:27.680 can reclaim their status
00:11:28.740 and say,
00:11:29.120 I just have so many feelings.
00:11:30.140 I am all the feelings
00:11:31.580 are rushing into me.
00:11:32.820 Please go ahead.
00:11:33.900 All right.
00:11:34.640 Well,
00:11:35.080 the first thing I will say
00:11:36.560 is what struck me
00:11:37.700 about your sort of description
00:11:39.320 of the sexual revolution.
00:11:40.460 I would add to that
00:11:41.460 the advent of the birth control pill
00:11:43.600 played a huge role
00:11:44.600 in sort of
00:11:45.600 the double standard
00:11:47.680 when it came to
00:11:48.460 premarital sex
00:11:49.280 for women versus men.
00:11:51.500 And so I think
00:11:52.160 there is a sort of
00:11:53.820 something,
00:11:55.420 I think the birth control pill
00:11:57.300 needs to be given
00:11:57.980 sort of its due course.
00:11:59.840 When it comes to
00:12:00.920 in terms of feminism
00:12:02.180 and chivalry,
00:12:03.660 I think feminism
00:12:04.620 in pushing
00:12:05.400 sort of the sexual revolution
00:12:07.060 of the female
00:12:07.820 and more sexual openness
00:12:10.540 has been detrimental
00:12:12.980 to how men perceive
00:12:15.140 their role in society.
00:12:16.400 And so I think like,
00:12:17.720 you know,
00:12:17.980 now the most common image
00:12:20.180 of the woman
00:12:20.620 is this 30-something
00:12:22.480 year old woman.
00:12:23.600 She's probably single.
00:12:25.380 She's probably having trouble
00:12:26.620 finding a man
00:12:27.400 who's at her education level
00:12:28.580 because women are graduating
00:12:29.760 from college
00:12:30.300 at higher rates than men are.
00:12:31.700 Of course,
00:12:32.140 they might be completely uneducated
00:12:33.520 like everyone else
00:12:34.240 who graduates from college.
00:12:35.320 Right, exactly.
00:12:35.580 But you make a good point.
00:12:36.480 More women are graduating.
00:12:37.880 They're ostensibly
00:12:38.400 more educated than men.
00:12:40.180 They are.
00:12:40.780 And so the image
00:12:41.880 of the proverbial
00:12:43.040 forever single
00:12:44.120 30-something year old woman
00:12:45.360 is becoming
00:12:45.960 more commonplace now.
00:12:47.580 And I think a lot of that
00:12:49.120 has to do with,
00:12:50.100 you know,
00:12:50.880 being able to
00:12:51.980 be completely independent
00:12:53.220 also means that
00:12:53.920 we haven't created
00:12:54.620 a need for men
00:12:55.520 as much.
00:12:56.840 And, you know,
00:12:57.340 both men and women
00:12:58.120 need to feel needed
00:12:58.940 by the opposite sex.
00:13:00.120 That's ultimately,
00:13:01.260 I think that's the thesis
00:13:02.280 of women are from Venus
00:13:03.920 and men are from Mars,
00:13:04.720 that you need to create
00:13:05.580 some sort of need
00:13:06.560 for the opposite sex
00:13:07.500 in your life.
00:13:08.120 If women can hold
00:13:08.900 their own doors,
00:13:10.080 if they can, you know,
00:13:11.180 do everything independently
00:13:12.600 on their own,
00:13:13.800 then men sort of feel useless.
00:13:15.640 And in that sense,
00:13:16.320 what is the point
00:13:16.920 of chivalry, right?
00:13:17.740 If we can do everything
00:13:18.600 on our own,
00:13:19.420 what's the point
00:13:20.240 of needing men?
00:13:21.020 And vice versa,
00:13:21.900 you know,
00:13:22.140 if men are becoming
00:13:23.360 increasingly more independent
00:13:24.580 and distant
00:13:25.200 and there's not really
00:13:26.060 a need for women,
00:13:27.540 then they too
00:13:28.220 will not feel
00:13:28.800 that they need
00:13:29.260 a relationship.
00:13:30.040 So I will tell you
00:13:31.100 though, Ariel,
00:13:31.760 every night as I put
00:13:32.800 my head on my pillow,
00:13:34.240 my fiance,
00:13:35.100 sweet little Lisa
00:13:35.740 leans over
00:13:36.320 and she does say,
00:13:37.480 Mac, I do not need you.
00:13:39.400 I never need you.
00:13:40.760 And yet the converse
00:13:41.760 is not true.
00:13:42.760 When she goes away
00:13:43.580 for a week or two
00:13:44.200 to New York,
00:13:44.840 my life falls
00:13:46.060 into shambles.
00:13:47.200 I am living
00:13:48.120 like a hog
00:13:49.340 in sewage.
00:13:50.840 The walls are falling
00:13:52.040 down from my apartment.
00:13:53.480 So I don't,
00:13:53.760 there's a real
00:13:54.300 double standard there.
00:13:55.780 Right.
00:13:56.240 Oh, is there?
00:13:56.900 Absolutely.
00:13:57.460 So she doesn't need you.
00:13:58.420 She's just,
00:13:58.980 she's just performing
00:13:59.860 her due diligence
00:14:01.040 or she's performing
00:14:02.080 her charity.
00:14:02.900 It's charity.
00:14:03.300 Yeah, you're her charity case.
00:14:05.400 Absolutely.
00:14:06.000 That's good.
00:14:06.960 Yeah.
00:14:07.240 So I guess that was
00:14:07.840 a long and winded answer,
00:14:08.840 but that's sort of,
00:14:09.480 you know,
00:14:09.760 I think how feminism
00:14:10.660 has killed chivalry
00:14:11.800 in a lot of ways.
00:14:12.500 That would be sort
00:14:13.200 of my argument,
00:14:13.760 at least third wave
00:14:14.460 feminism and to some extent
00:14:16.180 second wave feminism as well.
00:14:17.820 Sure.
00:14:18.060 Yeah.
00:14:18.240 And you,
00:14:18.780 you make a good point
00:14:19.580 that we,
00:14:20.340 the way out of it
00:14:21.400 is to feel needed,
00:14:22.920 to feel possessed,
00:14:24.240 to feel in need
00:14:26.440 of the other's support
00:14:27.520 and supporting the other.
00:14:30.360 Right.
00:14:30.660 Your eminence,
00:14:31.480 your eminence,
00:14:32.100 obviously your view,
00:14:33.220 I assume you'll be speaking
00:14:34.160 ex cathedra,
00:14:35.060 will be infallible.
00:14:36.600 Hugh Hefner was a charming guy
00:14:37.940 and it's hard
00:14:39.060 not to like him.
00:14:40.420 He was even apparently
00:14:41.480 monogamous
00:14:42.080 during his three marriages.
00:14:43.640 So try to unpack that.
00:14:44.960 But he does say
00:14:45.620 he didn't cheat on his wives,
00:14:46.920 his multiple wives.
00:14:49.060 How did Hef go so wrong?
00:14:52.120 Well,
00:14:52.600 that is a very loaded question,
00:14:54.240 Michael.
00:14:54.720 And I'm of course going to give
00:14:55.820 my Catholic perspective
00:14:57.340 on this.
00:14:57.900 Now I'm going to start
00:14:58.460 with a quote
00:14:59.120 that Hugh Hefner said
00:15:01.960 in an interview in 1974.
00:15:04.480 He said,
00:15:05.360 quote,
00:15:05.660 at a very early age,
00:15:06.800 I began questioning
00:15:07.960 a lot of that religious foolishness
00:15:10.080 about man's spirit
00:15:11.320 and body
00:15:12.060 being in conflict
00:15:13.380 with God,
00:15:14.680 primarily with the spirit
00:15:15.980 of man
00:15:16.540 and the devil
00:15:17.700 dwelling in the flesh.
00:15:20.240 He also said,
00:15:21.000 part of the reason
00:15:21.500 that I am who I am
00:15:22.600 is my Puritan roots
00:15:24.120 run deep.
00:15:25.460 My folks are Puritan.
00:15:26.780 My folks are prohibitionists.
00:15:28.340 There was no drinking
00:15:29.040 in my home,
00:15:29.820 no discussion of sex.
00:15:31.320 And I think I saw
00:15:32.380 the hurtful
00:15:32.860 and hypocritical side
00:15:33.740 of that
00:15:34.080 from the very early on.
00:15:35.360 Now essentially
00:15:35.820 what Hefner
00:15:37.420 was operating under
00:15:38.760 in his family life
00:15:40.760 who were Methodists
00:15:41.620 is a heresy
00:15:43.060 in the Catholic Church
00:15:44.140 known as Gnosticism,
00:15:45.600 which completely
00:15:46.340 and totally
00:15:46.780 denies the flesh
00:15:48.040 and says that the flesh
00:15:48.880 is evil
00:15:49.300 and all spiritual existence
00:15:50.760 in relationship to God
00:15:51.800 exists primarily
00:15:53.180 in the spirit,
00:15:53.820 primarily in the mind.
00:15:54.800 And Descartes
00:15:55.360 would expand this
00:15:56.120 into a philosophy
00:15:56.920 known as Cartesian philosophy.
00:15:59.520 So essentially
00:16:00.700 what that is
00:16:01.500 is it denies
00:16:02.900 material
00:16:03.940 in aiding
00:16:05.080 in your salvation process.
00:16:07.760 This comes back
00:16:08.860 to John Calvin.
00:16:10.320 John Calvin
00:16:11.020 had sort of
00:16:11.460 the similar thing
00:16:12.100 that all human beings
00:16:12.900 are totally depraved
00:16:13.760 and matter.
00:16:14.340 Total depravity.
00:16:14.820 Yeah, total depravity
00:16:15.800 and matter
00:16:16.820 is part of that.
00:16:17.880 So essentially
00:16:18.300 what you do
00:16:18.920 when that happens
00:16:19.820 is you essentially
00:16:20.780 say that matter
00:16:22.020 is essentially useless.
00:16:24.080 Sex becomes
00:16:25.240 just a utilitarian thing.
00:16:26.740 It's primarily
00:16:27.280 used for procreation.
00:16:28.720 It's no longer
00:16:29.460 about the bonding
00:16:30.280 and man and wife
00:16:32.320 coming together
00:16:33.060 in multiple
00:16:35.100 different ways
00:16:35.920 spiritually,
00:16:36.820 physically
00:16:37.120 and partaking
00:16:37.780 in the joy of that
00:16:38.720 which also produces
00:16:39.600 a child.
00:16:40.580 It rejects
00:16:41.440 things like music
00:16:42.480 creating beauty,
00:16:43.880 creating beautiful
00:16:44.580 churches.
00:16:45.080 So you think
00:16:45.600 that he's reacting
00:16:46.440 just from one
00:16:47.880 complete extreme
00:16:49.080 all the way over
00:16:50.480 to the other extreme.
00:16:51.260 Exactly, yes.
00:16:52.060 They're two sides
00:16:52.880 of the same oppressive coin.
00:16:54.500 And you know
00:16:54.960 Norm MacDonald
00:16:55.740 made this point once.
00:16:57.000 I think it was
00:16:57.320 on some comedy album
00:16:58.200 of his.
00:16:58.880 He said scientists say
00:16:59.960 that men think
00:17:00.900 about sex
00:17:01.460 every 1.5 seconds
00:17:03.300 and that he knows
00:17:04.320 that isn't true
00:17:05.080 because he knows
00:17:06.840 what he's thinking about
00:17:07.500 and he knows
00:17:08.160 the precise amount
00:17:09.040 of time
00:17:09.480 that men
00:17:10.420 think about sex
00:17:11.460 which is
00:17:11.940 every once in a while.
00:17:14.060 And there is this
00:17:14.880 it seems to be
00:17:15.560 people say
00:17:15.920 either we're
00:17:16.640 just completely
00:17:17.900 sex obsessed
00:17:19.180 we have to
00:17:19.740 just
00:17:20.320 everything has to be
00:17:21.500 concupiscent
00:17:22.100 and lustful
00:17:22.740 and sexy
00:17:23.640 or we need to
00:17:25.040 all throw on
00:17:25.840 potato sacks
00:17:26.580 and whip ourselves
00:17:28.160 whenever we have
00:17:29.540 an impure thought
00:17:30.560 and obviously
00:17:31.380 both of those
00:17:33.280 are ridiculous.
00:17:34.400 Yes, of course.
00:17:35.060 And you know
00:17:35.280 I mean
00:17:35.600 unfortunately
00:17:36.220 puritanical values
00:17:38.200 have been a part
00:17:39.040 of American culture
00:17:41.020 for a very long time.
00:17:42.140 I mean you know
00:17:42.600 Grand Pappy's Knowles
00:17:44.220 you know
00:17:44.520 four guys on the Mayflower
00:17:45.660 they were pretty
00:17:46.340 religiously zealous.
00:17:48.020 Yes, I mean
00:17:48.500 it got so extreme
00:17:49.520 I mean we had of course
00:17:50.360 like in the 1950s
00:17:51.340 I mean in
00:17:51.660 I Love Lucy
00:17:52.560 they couldn't use
00:17:53.300 the word pregnant
00:17:54.100 you couldn't show
00:17:55.040 a married couple
00:17:56.000 I don't use it
00:17:57.300 on this show
00:17:57.980 you say en sante
00:17:58.820 thank you very much.
00:18:00.200 You couldn't use
00:18:00.920 the word pregnant
00:18:01.520 I mean
00:18:01.840 there were lots of things
00:18:03.120 it goes to an extreme
00:18:05.320 and when you create
00:18:06.280 that extreme
00:18:06.860 you create a whole
00:18:08.140 entire another extreme
00:18:09.260 and it's out of balance
00:18:11.080 and unfortunately
00:18:12.440 part of me says
00:18:14.720 that if we ever
00:18:15.600 get it back
00:18:16.060 it will just go back
00:18:16.800 to another
00:18:17.280 puritanical extreme
00:18:18.380 and it's something
00:18:19.500 that also affects
00:18:20.160 the Catholic Church
00:18:20.820 there are people
00:18:21.980 in sects
00:18:22.780 like the SXPX
00:18:24.180 where they talk about
00:18:25.280 when they have sex
00:18:26.160 with their spouse
00:18:26.880 it's like
00:18:27.420 they just
00:18:28.640 like they make sure
00:18:29.440 all the clothes are on
00:18:30.360 and you can't
00:18:31.420 like ever
00:18:31.940 more than two minutes
00:18:33.100 and it's a sin
00:18:33.740 I know
00:18:34.580 I've read the books
00:18:35.300 you know
00:18:35.640 I'm just confused
00:18:36.400 by the homonym
00:18:37.080 sex and sex
00:18:38.080 that's sex advice
00:18:39.560 from Paul Bois
00:18:40.480 Ariel
00:18:41.000 did the Playboy
00:18:41.900 philosophy win
00:18:42.880 the magazine
00:18:44.300 is in doldrums
00:18:45.180 subscriptions
00:18:45.680 peaked decades ago
00:18:46.900 but obviously
00:18:47.320 there's this huge
00:18:48.140 porn epidemic
00:18:49.900 porn is a gigantic
00:18:51.460 industry now
00:18:52.280 it goes beamed
00:18:53.160 directly to your
00:18:53.920 cell phone
00:18:54.380 or your computer
00:18:55.380 did Hefner win
00:18:56.320 I think that
00:18:58.600 what you know
00:18:59.660 the movement
00:19:00.200 that Hefner
00:19:00.960 was riding
00:19:01.460 sort of the wave on
00:19:02.480 or he helped
00:19:03.000 to forge the path for
00:19:04.280 that is still
00:19:04.900 very much relevant
00:19:05.740 I think that
00:19:07.040 technology
00:19:08.000 has sort of
00:19:08.500 transformed
00:19:09.040 how information
00:19:09.800 is transmitted
00:19:10.980 so you know
00:19:12.380 if we look at
00:19:12.960 how what's happened
00:19:14.200 to Playboy
00:19:14.960 as a company
00:19:16.680 the reason that
00:19:17.820 you know
00:19:18.040 subscriptions have
00:19:18.660 gone down
00:19:19.060 probably has a lot
00:19:19.860 to do with
00:19:20.340 how you can
00:19:20.960 you don't really
00:19:21.680 need to pay
00:19:22.160 for porn anymore
00:19:23.080 you don't need
00:19:23.660 to pay for
00:19:24.420 you know
00:19:25.020 sexually explicit
00:19:25.820 images
00:19:26.300 I'm sorry
00:19:27.080 I gotta make
00:19:27.420 a phone call
00:19:27.960 after this
00:19:28.480 I'm sorry
00:19:30.160 to interrupt
00:19:30.460 go ahead
00:19:30.800 I think the internet
00:19:32.060 is a horrible thing
00:19:33.160 and a wonderful thing
00:19:34.120 for a lot of
00:19:34.880 different reasons
00:19:35.500 but you know
00:19:36.660 my point being
00:19:37.320 that the sexual
00:19:38.420 revolution
00:19:39.460 is something that
00:19:40.440 Hefner I think
00:19:41.740 himself helped
00:19:42.460 to foster
00:19:43.480 and he sort of
00:19:44.080 become a cultural
00:19:44.820 enigma
00:19:45.220 I think in a lot
00:19:46.020 of ways
00:19:46.400 he did win
00:19:47.600 and I think
00:19:48.040 the person that
00:19:48.680 Hef was behind
00:19:49.380 closed doors
00:19:49.960 is probably very
00:19:50.880 different than
00:19:51.400 the person he
00:19:52.080 was is sort
00:19:52.800 of like
00:19:53.120 you described
00:19:53.800 earlier
00:19:54.080 this happy-go-lucky
00:19:55.560 very jovial
00:19:56.360 person
00:19:56.960 sounds like
00:19:57.680 there was a lot
00:19:58.040 more going
00:19:58.500 on behind
00:19:59.400 closed doors
00:20:00.000 of his company
00:20:00.520 and just
00:20:00.940 internally
00:20:01.700 within his own
00:20:02.340 mind
00:20:02.660 I did want
00:20:04.140 to point out
00:20:04.640 there was
00:20:04.940 something I
00:20:05.340 came across
00:20:05.940 in an article
00:20:07.060 I think it was
00:20:07.500 a New York
00:20:07.800 Times piece
00:20:08.400 on him
00:20:08.900 they described
00:20:10.400 how during
00:20:11.620 the civil rights
00:20:12.260 movement
00:20:12.580 he actually
00:20:13.120 sent a black
00:20:13.820 journalist
00:20:14.240 by the name
00:20:14.600 of Alex Haley
00:20:15.320 to actually
00:20:16.340 go interview
00:20:17.000 the founder
00:20:17.460 of the American
00:20:17.960 Nazi Party
00:20:18.620 because he
00:20:19.520 wanted to
00:20:19.940 explicitly
00:20:20.400 make that
00:20:21.480 neo-Nazi
00:20:22.940 uncomfortable
00:20:23.420 and he
00:20:24.480 wanted to
00:20:24.980 expose
00:20:25.540 his very
00:20:27.780 bombastic
00:20:28.460 racism
00:20:28.980 and I thought
00:20:30.180 that was
00:20:30.440 very interesting
00:20:30.980 because that's
00:20:31.360 a side of
00:20:31.800 Hugh Hefner
00:20:32.160 that we don't
00:20:32.840 really hear
00:20:33.200 as much
00:20:33.480 about
00:20:33.780 but he
00:20:34.160 was very
00:20:34.540 forthright
00:20:35.020 about having
00:20:35.640 people come
00:20:37.760 to the
00:20:37.940 Plain Boy
00:20:38.200 Mansion
00:20:38.540 who are
00:20:39.160 people of
00:20:39.820 color
00:20:40.060 various
00:20:40.580 different
00:20:40.840 people
00:20:41.140 of different
00:20:42.040 backgrounds
00:20:42.420 and he
00:20:42.860 made an
00:20:43.240 explicit
00:20:43.620 effort to do
00:20:46.440 that
00:20:46.720 there actually
00:20:47.440 is a lot
00:20:47.940 to be said
00:20:48.420 for the
00:20:48.720 guy
00:20:48.940 he was
00:20:49.520 clearly
00:20:49.860 more
00:20:50.540 intellectual
00:20:50.960 than people
00:20:51.360 give him
00:20:51.660 credit for
00:20:52.200 he was
00:20:52.760 bolder
00:20:53.260 on some
00:20:53.640 political
00:20:53.960 issues
00:20:54.520 and so
00:20:55.340 yeah
00:20:55.520 he actually
00:20:56.180 did do
00:20:56.700 some good
00:20:57.160 things
00:20:57.460 even if
00:20:57.860 he destroyed
00:20:58.240 the country
00:20:58.500 he did some good
00:20:58.620 things but he
00:20:59.280 did do a lot
00:21:00.480 of you know
00:21:01.000 I don't know
00:21:01.820 there was a
00:21:02.240 memoir that came
00:21:02.860 out from one
00:21:03.280 of the Playboy
00:21:03.680 Bunnies
00:21:04.000 I think it
00:21:04.420 was called
00:21:04.920 Down the
00:21:05.340 Rabbit Hole
00:21:05.840 that was
00:21:06.560 pretty damning
00:21:07.600 of Hugh
00:21:08.360 as a person
00:21:08.980 and sort of
00:21:09.760 the lifestyle
00:21:10.220 he lived
00:21:10.740 so like I
00:21:11.220 said I think
00:21:11.700 there's a
00:21:12.460 balancing act
00:21:13.100 here of the
00:21:13.560 person Hugh
00:21:14.660 is and
00:21:15.640 or Hugh
00:21:16.120 was excuse
00:21:16.760 me and
00:21:17.320 behind closed
00:21:18.080 doors and
00:21:18.560 who he was
00:21:18.980 to the public
00:21:19.540 as it is true
00:21:20.300 of all of us
00:21:20.920 I'm sure
00:21:21.360 so are we
00:21:22.360 just a bunch
00:21:23.740 of prudes
00:21:24.480 to be
00:21:25.240 disrespecting
00:21:26.080 the half
00:21:26.480 well to
00:21:29.080 that I want
00:21:29.680 to say
00:21:29.980 something very
00:21:30.700 very serious
00:21:31.520 very something
00:21:32.200 very sobering
00:21:33.760 do y'all think
00:21:34.440 that Hugh
00:21:34.780 Hefner is in
00:21:35.460 his afterlife
00:21:36.060 right now
00:21:36.720 soliciting those
00:21:37.860 72 versions
00:21:38.760 to see if
00:21:39.520 they can be
00:21:39.900 the centerfold
00:21:40.680 for the
00:21:41.200 jihadists who
00:21:41.780 died in the
00:21:42.160 name of Islam
00:21:42.840 dude he
00:21:43.780 there's a market
00:21:44.880 there man
00:21:45.480 I was wondering
00:21:46.200 did he have a
00:21:46.820 last minute
00:21:47.340 conversion to
00:21:48.240 Islam
00:21:48.760 one would
00:21:49.640 imagine
00:21:50.060 he was a
00:21:51.420 big donor
00:21:52.020 he was a
00:21:52.580 big donor
00:21:52.980 to the
00:21:53.260 democratic
00:21:53.580 party
00:21:54.020 so
00:21:54.580 that's true
00:21:55.240 right
00:21:55.620 he could just
00:21:56.620 get up there
00:21:57.060 and say like
00:21:57.480 this is it
00:21:57.960 man this is
00:21:58.720 more of this
00:21:59.680 I get this
00:22:00.080 for eternity
00:22:00.620 damn
00:22:01.080 nothing changes
00:22:02.420 can I get a
00:22:04.600 show of hands
00:22:05.300 of the fellas
00:22:06.980 in here
00:22:07.420 who like to
00:22:08.180 see boobies
00:22:09.360 I've heard
00:22:11.020 they're nice
00:22:12.100 I've heard
00:22:12.700 friends have
00:22:13.240 told me
00:22:13.680 they're nice
00:22:14.700 yeah
00:22:15.040 I'll bet you
00:22:16.140 that's right
00:22:17.680 on the news
00:22:18.600 with his hand
00:22:19.660 in the air
00:22:20.260 his hand is
00:22:20.880 in the air
00:22:21.320 I'll bet you
00:22:21.940 Ben and
00:22:22.560 Jeremy are
00:22:23.360 walking around
00:22:23.840 with their hands
00:22:24.240 and they say
00:22:24.560 yes I like
00:22:25.200 to see boobies
00:22:25.780 now here's the
00:22:27.600 thing I think
00:22:28.240 it's proof of
00:22:29.000 concept that men
00:22:30.120 like to see
00:22:30.720 boobies you know
00:22:31.320 why because
00:22:32.240 naked women
00:22:33.000 are valuable
00:22:34.280 there's value
00:22:35.420 in naked women
00:22:36.240 now which
00:22:37.280 means that I
00:22:38.500 think it's more
00:22:39.060 valuable than pay
00:22:39.860 $3.99 to see
00:22:41.180 naked woman
00:22:41.720 you really want
00:22:42.380 to show value
00:22:43.120 in a naked
00:22:43.600 woman you're
00:22:44.400 flipping marrier
00:22:45.140 and that way
00:22:46.660 you have access
00:22:47.520 not just the
00:22:48.180 visual of the
00:22:49.440 boobies you got
00:22:50.200 access to them
00:22:51.160 to show that
00:22:51.660 you're really
00:22:52.120 valuable
00:22:52.580 so marriage is
00:22:54.940 a subscription
00:22:55.560 to boobies
00:22:56.440 a very expensive
00:22:57.260 subscription
00:22:57.900 a very lifelong
00:22:59.620 subscription
00:23:00.300 to boobies
00:23:00.820 well that's the
00:23:03.740 zo revolution
00:23:04.500 we have the
00:23:05.020 zo philosophy
00:23:05.760 to follow the
00:23:06.300 playboy philosophy
00:23:07.140 a very good one
00:23:08.220 now in in
00:23:09.640 related news
00:23:10.260 we have next
00:23:11.740 week the
00:23:12.180 congress will
00:23:12.800 vote on the
00:23:13.880 pain-capable
00:23:14.840 unborn child
00:23:15.620 protection act
00:23:16.280 this act came
00:23:17.440 up in 2015
00:23:18.180 it was shot
00:23:19.120 down now
00:23:19.860 president trump
00:23:20.500 says it is a
00:23:21.920 high priority
00:23:22.680 for him to
00:23:23.680 sign the bill
00:23:24.260 pass it into
00:23:24.880 law and
00:23:25.680 protect and
00:23:26.680 ban late-term
00:23:28.180 abortions so
00:23:29.160 that he can
00:23:29.520 protect these
00:23:30.120 unborn babies
00:23:30.840 now I think
00:23:31.880 we're all
00:23:32.300 probably happy
00:23:33.000 about the
00:23:33.280 content of the
00:23:33.880 law but it
00:23:34.260 does raise a
00:23:34.920 federalism question
00:23:36.220 Ariel should
00:23:37.560 we be passing
00:23:38.180 these laws at
00:23:38.740 a federal level
00:23:39.360 or should we
00:23:40.640 leave it to
00:23:40.940 the states
00:23:41.320 ah that's a
00:23:44.060 tough one for
00:23:44.600 me because I
00:23:45.340 you know I'm
00:23:45.840 someone who is
00:23:46.740 adamantly pro-life
00:23:48.540 especially when it
00:23:49.340 comes to issues
00:23:50.400 like the partial
00:23:51.100 birth abortion
00:23:52.280 um I am in
00:23:54.440 favor of passing
00:23:55.740 this on a federal
00:23:56.380 level and I'll
00:23:57.100 tell you why
00:23:57.940 because I don't
00:23:58.440 think there's any
00:23:59.220 murky gray area
00:24:01.360 when it comes to
00:24:02.340 sort of what a
00:24:04.200 partial birth abortion
00:24:05.180 is I'm not
00:24:06.200 going to go into
00:24:06.820 detail and spare
00:24:08.020 our viewers but
00:24:09.000 um needless to
00:24:10.360 say that it is
00:24:11.380 something that is
00:24:12.000 violent it is
00:24:12.900 gruesome
00:24:13.480 Ariel I'm sorry
00:24:14.560 because I was
00:24:14.960 reading about this
00:24:15.540 on everyday
00:24:15.880 feminism a partial
00:24:17.120 birth abortion
00:24:17.700 that's when you
00:24:18.300 just uh take out
00:24:19.820 a slight little
00:24:20.840 sack of cells
00:24:21.880 that's a part of
00:24:22.900 the mother through
00:24:23.840 a completely
00:24:24.360 clinical and
00:24:25.100 normal procedure
00:24:25.840 no not at all
00:24:27.860 that's not it
00:24:28.920 no in fact you
00:24:30.900 can yes I know
00:24:32.480 horrible um
00:24:33.720 basically you if
00:24:35.880 you are a woman
00:24:36.500 you give partial
00:24:37.640 birth to the
00:24:38.420 fetus and or
00:24:39.820 the baby let's
00:24:40.480 call it baby for
00:24:41.180 what it is you
00:24:42.100 give birth to the
00:24:42.800 baby it's basically
00:24:44.300 half out of your
00:24:45.140 body and at which
00:24:46.020 point they are
00:24:46.540 allowed to murder
00:24:48.020 the child as it is
00:24:49.260 halfway out of your
00:24:50.040 body um if the
00:24:51.780 mother doesn't want
00:24:52.920 it then it's not
00:24:53.480 murder right isn't
00:24:54.560 it that's how I
00:24:55.260 think that's what
00:24:56.220 Aristotle talks about
00:24:57.160 in the ethics I
00:24:58.220 don't right life is
00:24:59.200 subjective right so
00:25:00.120 it's whatever you
00:25:01.060 decide life to be um
00:25:02.760 that's the mystery
00:25:03.560 of life as Sandra
00:25:04.480 Day O'Connor would
00:25:05.160 say um it's so
00:25:06.860 right so what you
00:25:08.760 know what bothers me
00:25:09.460 about it is I don't
00:25:10.100 think this is there's
00:25:10.780 any gray area when it
00:25:11.980 comes to this I think
00:25:12.720 this was a good call
00:25:13.600 and I support Trump
00:25:14.740 in supporting this I
00:25:15.980 think we're one step
00:25:16.660 closer to creating an
00:25:18.960 agenda that is um
00:25:21.500 much more hostile to
00:25:22.620 abortion I think what's
00:25:23.640 happened uh at least
00:25:25.060 on the left end of
00:25:25.740 the spectrum it's sort
00:25:26.460 of become a uh cause
00:25:28.100 of celebration and I
00:25:29.700 think it's disgusting I
00:25:30.820 think it's morally
00:25:31.760 reprehensible uh and
00:25:33.400 I would you know I'm I
00:25:34.580 applaud Trump for
00:25:35.660 supporting this ban I
00:25:37.680 just would like to see
00:25:38.580 it actually happen
00:25:39.400 because in terms of
00:25:40.680 defunding Planned
00:25:41.440 Parenthood that hasn't
00:25:42.420 happened yet we've yet
00:25:43.300 to see that happen uh
00:25:45.080 and so you know this
00:25:46.180 is one step closer to
00:25:47.520 showing that Trump is
00:25:48.180 actually going to follow
00:25:48.800 through in some of the
00:25:49.400 things he said during
00:25:50.640 his campaign he has to
00:25:51.660 walk the walk and one
00:25:52.640 point on the word fetus
00:25:53.760 people on the left they
00:25:55.160 always try to draw
00:25:55.860 distinction between a
00:25:57.160 fetus and a baby just
00:25:58.660 as a matter of language
00:25:59.620 the word fetus means
00:26:00.800 offspring so a human
00:26:02.420 fetus is human offspring
00:26:04.080 it comes from Latin
00:26:05.220 it for some reason they
00:26:06.840 think it means I don't
00:26:08.140 know like unicorn or
00:26:09.220 something but it does
00:26:10.920 mean offspring there's
00:26:11.780 no difference between
00:26:12.640 those words so Democrats
00:26:14.560 defeated this bill two
00:26:15.580 years ago do the
00:26:18.080 Democrats really believe
00:26:19.600 that being the party of
00:26:21.580 killing sentient uh
00:26:24.180 nation human life is a
00:26:25.960 winning campaign platform
00:26:27.280 well convenience is
00:26:29.520 popular you know and
00:26:30.920 and when it comes to
00:26:31.940 Democrats that's what
00:26:32.760 they're all about you
00:26:33.560 know you have a majority
00:26:34.540 ruling things in you get
00:26:36.240 a majority by things
00:26:37.200 being popular and a
00:26:38.460 popular thing is
00:26:39.280 convenience so of course
00:26:40.280 it's going to do well
00:26:41.320 well for lack of a better
00:26:42.900 word for them politically
00:26:44.380 to to be opposed to
00:26:45.920 something like that but
00:26:46.680 if I may can I answer a
00:26:48.040 question uh the question
00:26:49.420 about uh you know whether
00:26:50.320 this should be handled on
00:26:51.180 a federal level or a
00:26:52.260 state level absolutely
00:26:53.180 not no way yeah I'm
00:26:54.560 sorry go ahead please
00:26:56.340 uh listen it's very
00:26:58.480 simple we have a supreme
00:26:59.580 law of the land and we
00:27:01.160 all have to live under
00:27:02.000 it and we all have the
00:27:02.940 right to life live the
00:27:03.820 pursuit of happiness you
00:27:05.100 can't make a decision on
00:27:07.240 this on state level this
00:27:08.720 this isn't even a question
00:27:09.840 of it should be in court
00:27:10.960 or not because you're
00:27:11.960 taking the court to
00:27:12.840 actually to deprive
00:27:14.400 somebody of their right
00:27:15.320 to live that's not
00:27:16.820 something that the court
00:27:17.900 would be like what we're
00:27:18.920 not going to do a
00:27:19.500 hearing on that that's
00:27:20.300 ridiculous so even on a
00:27:21.980 state level if a person
00:27:23.260 if the state decided to
00:27:24.380 make it legal then the
00:27:25.380 federal government has
00:27:26.060 the right to come in
00:27:27.020 and say actually no
00:27:28.100 you're imposing on
00:27:29.240 somebody's right to live
00:27:30.460 that is when the
00:27:31.500 government is supposed to
00:27:32.280 be involved I think
00:27:32.940 we're all limited
00:27:33.520 government people here
00:27:34.640 yeah absolutely but the
00:27:36.460 the objective of
00:27:37.620 government is to protect
00:27:38.960 our god-given rights so
00:27:40.740 should this be a question
00:27:42.040 of being in the states
00:27:43.300 no no the most
00:27:44.780 fundamental right is the
00:27:45.880 right to life so if you
00:27:46.860 don't have that you can't
00:27:47.800 have a limited can't
00:27:48.520 have the rest without
00:27:49.200 them right this is
00:27:51.960 definitely a step in the
00:27:52.720 right direction yes but
00:27:54.160 what about all those
00:27:54.980 unborn babies who are
00:27:56.020 aborted before they are
00:27:57.500 capable of feeling pain
00:27:58.680 do you think as a matter
00:28:00.260 of politics or morality
00:28:01.480 that conservatives should
00:28:02.840 fight this abortion fight
00:28:04.220 later on in second third
00:28:05.960 trimester where there is
00:28:07.060 broad support for banning
00:28:08.660 abortion or should
00:28:09.980 conservatives be logically
00:28:11.220 consistent and say we just
00:28:12.960 need to outlaw abortion
00:28:14.680 overturn Roe v. Wade human
00:28:16.660 life is sacred from the
00:28:17.720 beginning yes I certainly
00:28:20.380 I certainly believe I'm an
00:28:23.920 absolutist on this I mean if
00:28:25.140 I were president I would
00:28:26.100 sign an executive order
00:28:27.260 right away and just declare
00:28:28.280 that Roe v. Wade was
00:28:29.700 complete crap and it's gone
00:28:31.920 that is the monarch monarchist
00:28:34.360 that is the monarchist in me
00:28:36.080 yes but so just on a
00:28:39.540 political level obviously if
00:28:40.840 I'm in the Senate and they
00:28:41.880 bring forth this bill of
00:28:43.160 course I'm going to sign on
00:28:44.000 to it and support anything
00:28:45.340 that that protects human life
00:28:47.660 but I do think that the
00:28:49.060 pro-life movement and this
00:28:50.160 you know on the grassroots
00:28:51.040 level they have this voice
00:28:52.180 it's certainly not you know
00:28:53.260 on the political level but
00:28:54.700 absolutely I am an
00:28:55.800 absolutist just say it let's
00:28:57.840 end it completely totally
00:28:59.800 abortion is evil it is it's
00:29:02.880 the worst moral scourge to
00:29:05.560 happen to this country since
00:29:07.420 slavery and we just need to
00:29:09.380 voice it as much as possible
00:29:11.480 every day until the public
00:29:14.060 finally gets the message the
00:29:15.660 the pro-life generation of my
00:29:18.440 my generation is pro-life
00:29:20.040 takes that very seriously but
00:29:23.340 the people you know baby
00:29:24.660 boomers people who were
00:29:25.860 around when abortion came
00:29:28.320 onto the scene they don't
00:29:29.040 really have that intensity but
00:29:31.240 the younger generation really
00:29:32.260 does because we see its
00:29:33.320 fallout we see true and the
00:29:35.040 boomers also gave us a
00:29:36.240 terrible national debt that
00:29:37.220 we'll never be able to pay but
00:29:38.160 that's neither here nor there
00:29:39.060 I'm sorry so we cut you off
00:29:41.240 no no I thought the question
00:29:43.560 was for me but it was for his
00:29:44.880 10 minutes sorry about that
00:29:47.200 absolutely sorry Ariel go
00:29:50.360 ahead oh I know I was just
00:29:51.780 gonna say as well that I think
00:29:52.900 technology is on our side too
00:29:54.540 here in the 70s when you know
00:29:56.360 Roe v. Wade came about they
00:29:58.360 didn't have the technology that
00:29:59.620 we have now we can look in and
00:30:01.260 see you know elements of the
00:30:03.340 child that we never would have
00:30:04.620 been able to see prior we can
00:30:06.040 see fingernails we can see
00:30:07.340 hands we can see toes I mean
00:30:09.100 these are the sort of things that
00:30:10.040 you just wouldn't you know this
00:30:11.820 is something that will it
00:30:12.860 shouldn't be that we need to
00:30:13.900 see it to believe its life that's
00:30:15.500 not my point but if we're trying
00:30:16.800 to make people understand what
00:30:18.220 we're fighting for that is
00:30:20.040 really a powerful weapon and
00:30:21.680 that's in our core and that's in
00:30:22.860 our favor and I can already
00:30:24.280 start to see people on the left
00:30:25.620 sort of shaking their boots as
00:30:27.380 more and more science comes out
00:30:28.880 about how sentient the baby is at
00:30:31.800 a really really young age stage
00:30:34.120 development and it's amazing too
00:30:35.840 because Shapiro said he had there
00:30:38.940 was a great little viral video
00:30:40.040 going around from his last speech
00:30:41.780 where he said it doesn't the
00:30:43.540 sentience doesn't matter we
00:30:44.600 shouldn't be able to kill someone
00:30:45.600 in a coma and there is this point
00:30:48.880 that I think when we bring up all
00:30:51.080 of the scientific advancements that
00:30:53.040 let us see the unborn baby I think
00:30:55.000 well it fingernails aren't the
00:30:56.840 reason we have a right to life
00:30:58.000 right absolutely the reason people
00:31:00.100 have a pacemaker or whatever but it
00:31:02.180 is politically and emotionally
00:31:04.180 very compelling so so should we
00:31:06.160 rely on it for that reason I mean
00:31:08.400 you know it's tough because that's
00:31:09.740 like I said before I don't want to
00:31:11.000 you know I shouldn't be saying oh
00:31:12.180 we're going to quantify life but
00:31:13.460 what wait but what by what we can
00:31:15.240 see but maybe if it will help us to
00:31:17.300 start the conversation then I'm all
00:31:19.720 for that because at this point it's
00:31:21.240 about reaching people in a way that
00:31:23.320 we can show them okay this is what
00:31:25.900 you're actually killing because now in
00:31:27.640 certain states you don't even need
00:31:28.880 to have you don't even need to have
00:31:30.820 an ultrasound before you go through
00:31:32.440 the abortion you don't even need to
00:31:34.240 engage at all with the child you
00:31:36.360 created before you decide to kill it
00:31:38.080 and so in my mind that's horrible
00:31:40.640 you want to see it before you kill the
00:31:42.840 thing that's right right absolutely
00:31:44.940 not you don't want to walk around
00:31:46.200 it's just it's awful anyway and I you
00:31:48.200 know I have obviously have a ton of
00:31:49.740 sympathy for the women that go through
00:31:51.160 with this I know it's not an easy
00:31:52.600 choice but when it comes down to
00:31:55.180 having a conversation about when life
00:31:57.620 begins and trying to make people
00:31:59.720 understand what we're fighting for
00:32:01.100 you know I'm in favor of using
00:32:02.780 technology to do that as long as
00:32:04.400 that's not our main line of argument
00:32:06.200 our main line of argument should
00:32:07.400 always be life begins at conception
00:32:08.780 yeah and you might say it's a simple
00:32:10.780 choice but not an easy choice that
00:32:12.740 right distinction that Ronald Reagan
00:32:14.220 drew said there aren't easy answers
00:32:15.960 but there are simple answers it is
00:32:17.380 clear it's just very difficult to
00:32:19.320 accept the implication that human life
00:32:21.860 is sacred from the beginning
00:32:22.820 absolutely right okay panel man what a
00:32:25.560 what a serious show all I wanted to
00:32:27.220 talk about was lingerie ladies and sex
00:32:29.220 but you've brought me back down to
00:32:31.220 ideas and things like that thank you
00:32:33.000 for being here Ariel Davidson his
00:32:35.060 eminence Paul Bois and the one and
00:32:36.500 only Zoe Rachel now it is time for the
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00:33:46.120 all right the first mailbag question is
00:33:59.080 from Arlay hey Michael I love your show
00:34:01.380 and I really love how many people you
00:34:02.800 bring on to the show thank you a recent
00:34:04.920 poll showed that over 60 percent of
00:34:07.180 Trump supporters say that they will
00:34:09.180 support anything that Trump says does
00:34:11.600 this poll worry you why or why not it
00:34:14.120 does work I'm really worried about the
00:34:15.240 other 40 percent what about those guys
00:34:17.020 why aren't they pulling their fair part
00:34:18.740 and supporting our our party and our
00:34:20.920 president no I'm I am not really worried
00:34:23.240 about this demagoguery and this week in
00:34:25.380 particular showed it to me the victory of
00:34:27.480 Roy Moore in Alabama over Luther Strange
00:34:31.380 in the Senate primary for the special
00:34:33.820 election President Trump endorsed Luther
00:34:36.160 Strange the Roy Moore was a more Trumpy
00:34:40.180 candidate he ran the covfefe campaign and
00:34:43.280 the people of that state voted for more
00:34:46.660 they they gave more the nomination
00:34:48.440 instead I don't think it's because they
00:34:50.360 don't like President Trump in Roy Moore's
00:34:52.480 victory speech he said I don't care that
00:34:54.080 Trump didn't endorse me I support his
00:34:55.840 agenda 100 percent as long as it's
00:34:57.600 constitutional so I think what that shows
00:34:59.800 is Ann Coulter's thesis that there's the
00:35:02.380 support for Trump is based on issues it's
00:35:04.380 based on what he's doing it's based on a
00:35:06.560 fortitude to take on sacred cows and
00:35:09.820 revered left-wing cultural institutions and
00:35:12.460 beat him up and stand firm unlike a lot of
00:35:14.440 spineless Republicans so there is a
00:35:16.460 difference between the Trump movement and
00:35:18.700 Donald Trump it isn't just a mindless cult of
00:35:21.580 personality like we think I don't really
00:35:23.600 believe the 60 percent number but in any
00:35:25.840 case if we do then then you know I think
00:35:30.140 these numbers change a lot because political
00:35:33.000 polls are constantly constantly changing next
00:35:36.100 question from Jake Michael where can we
00:35:39.400 watch your movie Holly weird thanks love the
00:35:41.940 show so I am I'm I've been in a bunch of
00:35:44.780 these little indie movies that play at like
00:35:46.800 three in the morning on channel 5000 but
00:35:49.400 there is one movie where I have the lead
00:35:51.800 role in it and right now it's at the
00:35:53.440 festival circuit it's called Holly weird I'm
00:35:55.500 hoping that it will be able to have some
00:35:57.520 sort of public viewing of it soon either a
00:35:59.980 screening in theaters or on video on demand or
00:36:02.460 something like that but I'll keep you posted
00:36:03.980 it's a really fun movie coincidentally this
00:36:05.920 has nothing to do with my political work but
00:36:07.560 it is a movie that just lambasts Hollywood so
00:36:10.920 I think everyone is gonna like it a
00:36:13.040 providential coincidence next question is
00:36:15.700 from Johnny Miguel just watched your
00:36:18.960 interview with Dave Rubin I enjoy his videos
00:36:21.600 and honesty in his opinions however I'm not
00:36:23.660 gonna lie when he was discussing the he she
00:36:25.660 pronoun controversy and the courtesy it was
00:36:28.780 a bit cringy he seemed to be making a large
00:36:31.360 push for the emotional aspect of the
00:36:33.300 argument which comes off as weak all this
00:36:35.720 is to ask are we entering a new rabbit
00:36:37.760 hole where we will have to give up sanity
00:36:39.240 and in 20 years accept new pronouns into
00:36:41.320 our language if so how can we combat this
00:36:43.780 yeah I disagree with Dave on this I'm I am
00:36:47.040 stuck with the question of how to be polite
00:36:48.820 and courteous and a gentleman and also not
00:36:51.720 mainstream delusion and pretend that reality
00:36:55.840 is unreality and allow delusional people to
00:36:59.100 try to define reality for the rest of us and
00:37:01.660 call it bigotry if we don't buy into their
00:37:03.600 madness I think he's wrong about this because
00:37:07.240 Dave is a liberal he's a classical liberal he
00:37:10.260 believes in the liberal mode of decision-making
00:37:13.940 which is we're I'm gonna we're gonna vigorously
00:37:16.360 debate ideas in public and the best ideas
00:37:18.440 hopefully will come to the top but I think on
00:37:20.300 this particular issue he's falling into what
00:37:22.920 Jonathan Rauch calls the humanitarian impulse
00:37:25.820 of decision-making which is the first consideration
00:37:28.520 when you're making a decision is how not to
00:37:30.620 offend people it's how to make people feel nice
00:37:32.920 about themselves and not not harm them which I
00:37:35.480 think is ultimately harmful I think the road to
00:37:38.380 hell is paved with good intentions so we might
00:37:40.720 try to call someone whatever they want to be
00:37:43.880 called but if we're not dealing in reality then
00:37:46.560 we're we're removing them from reality and it's I
00:37:49.560 think condescending and and it doesn't help them to
00:37:52.860 see the real world any better Shapiro also on this
00:37:56.220 one said I think it was his grandfather had a
00:37:58.620 mental illness and they got him medicine they
00:38:01.220 didn't they didn't say that the radio really was
00:38:03.460 talking to him they just got him medicine and and I
00:38:06.460 think that's where the focus should be on that
00:38:07.860 question next question is from father Greg father
00:38:11.360 Greg a priest dear Michael the once and future king
00:38:14.560 of trolls I'm a monthly subscriber so I don't have a
00:38:17.020 leftist tears tumblr sorry but can you answer a
00:38:20.300 question for me I'm a Catholic priest when were I
00:38:24.300 to attempt to bless leftist tears what would
00:38:26.700 happen with the tears a do nothing as leftist tears
00:38:30.140 are already a maximal blessing be reject the
00:38:33.640 blessing as since action follows being the leftist
00:38:36.700 tears possessing the character of the leftist are
00:38:39.260 thus not properly disposed to receive the blessing or see
00:38:43.400 I am awed by the perspicacity of your arguments and the
00:38:51.940 insight in this question all I can say to you father is
00:38:55.580 that that line is going to land for about five people in this
00:39:07.860 audience but that's what we do we just go right for the most
00:39:11.220 niche punchline we can two people were laughing at that
00:39:16.120 Joseph Michael I wanted to know your stance on the death
00:39:20.280 penalty what your stance on the death penalty is as a
00:39:23.540 Catholic I'm also Catholic but I keep getting told some of
00:39:26.680 my friends with the same faith that we should never take
00:39:29.800 the lives of criminals unless not doing so threatens the
00:39:32.580 security of others what do you think I think that's total
00:39:35.420 bunk man I don't believe that at all Joseph I think
00:39:38.660 that's a relatively modern Catholic stance and it's promoted
00:39:42.480 by people who are doing it in the name of the Catholic faith
00:39:45.460 but not necessarily with the backing of that tradition
00:39:47.800 obviously St. Paul says that the civil authority has the right
00:39:50.780 to do whatever it's it pleases basically whatever it does
00:39:54.340 lawfully and the Catholic Church the catechism acknowledges that
00:39:59.040 the death penalty is not an intrinsic evil and that it is rightly
00:40:02.580 part of the state's authority it says later that quote today would be
00:40:07.680 rare if practically non-existent because there is less threat of
00:40:12.720 these criminals going back out and killing people we can keep
00:40:15.580 them in these expensive institutions which to me seems more cruel and
00:40:19.780 unusual than killing them a father Rutler whom I often cite points
00:40:23.440 out in a wonderful column called hanging concentrates the mind
00:40:27.880 quote as a highly unusual insertion of a prudential opinion in a
00:40:32.800 catechetical formula it would seem to be more mercurial in application than the
00:40:37.760 doctrine of the legitimacy of the death penalty it's a little rare and it's a
00:40:41.820 little strange that in the catechism they offer this opinion about when it
00:40:45.440 would be used or wouldn't be used and so one wonders what the status of that is
00:40:50.540 compared to the clear statement that the civil authority has the right to kill
00:40:54.720 people Rutler also points out the medicinal benefits of capital punishment
00:40:58.800 dr. Johnson famously said depended upon it sir when a man knows he has to hang
00:41:04.880 in a fortnight it concentrates his mind wonderfully and the health benefit of
00:41:09.740 being killed by the government is of course that the criminal can focus his
00:41:13.940 mind he can think of eternal things and the condemned have a frame of mind to die
00:41:18.020 in a state of grace so yeah I support the death penalty I don't think the
00:41:21.460 catholic faith condemns it and you should go right on considering that the civil
00:41:26.040 authority has the right to exact justice a topic that is largely missing from our
00:41:30.980 criminal justice system and criminology today from Raymond another catholic
00:41:36.100 question but this this one's pretty good Michael since you're a catholic allow me
00:41:41.240 to ask this why do y'all worship false idols I know the candle burning is from
00:41:46.180 african voodoo but saints elected by men Mary isn't divine you can't gain admission
00:41:50.940 to heaven through your works you do good works because you're godly and saved why do
00:41:55.040 you call priests father they're not your father God is the father then you have an
00:41:58.940 earthly father but priests aren't him sounds pretty contrary to Christianity I
00:42:03.680 don't know if Raymond is just some arch-catholic who's trolling me with this with
00:42:08.280 this letter but maybe not there's a lot of confusion about the catholic faith I
00:42:12.140 think that's why the majority of the mailbag questions are about that so let's go
00:42:16.340 through all of your objections Raymond and I will dispel your confusion beginning
00:42:22.040 with candle burning as some part of african voodoo the fluorescent light bulb
00:42:26.780 is a relatively new invention for most of history everybody every place used
00:42:31.400 candles to light the way and by the way candle light gives off a much more
00:42:35.900 beautiful light than does Al Gore's stupid light bulbs with mercury on them so I
00:42:42.080 think the candles are fine I don't think it's confined to african voodoo I think
00:42:45.260 it's the way to illuminate the world other than the Sun and the son of God saints are not
00:42:51.500 elected by men that's absolutely true very often people say well Catholics
00:42:57.360 worship saints and that's idolatrous or polytheistic or something saints are those
00:43:02.060 who have everlasting life in Christ saints are referred to in many instances in the
00:43:07.820 Bible and the church acknowledges that certain people are saints through a
00:43:13.040 process called canonization so that's not all the saints there are more people in
00:43:17.660 heaven than the church is called saints but some we know are in heaven and the
00:43:22.820 way we know this is because of the magisterium of the church that is based on a
00:43:29.120 number of scriptural instances but in particular Jesus says to Peter you are
00:43:33.220 Peter and on this rock I will build my church whatever you bind in heaven of
00:43:37.700 whatever you bind on earth will be loose by bound in heaven whatever you loose on
00:43:41.480 earth will be loosed on in heaven you have the keys to the kingdom of heaven so
00:43:46.340 there is an authority that Christ is giving to Peter and and then to the
00:43:50.660 apostles to have some say and to to bind and to loose and have the keys to the
00:43:56.200 kingdom of heaven so by definition saints have everlasting life we ask saints to
00:44:01.640 pray for us now sometimes people say you're praying to the saints you're
00:44:05.000 worshiping the saints that isn't the case we ask people to pray for us all the
00:44:08.280 time we go in and we say hey you know Bob is having surgery next week can you pray
00:44:12.840 for us hey I'm going through a rough time please keep me in your thoughts and
00:44:16.160 prayers what you're asking for is a sort of intercession but you're asking it to
00:44:20.500 regular old fallen crummy people you're asking me to pray for you I'm not even
00:44:24.720 Catholic I know I am well I'm praying for Marshall really for many reasons not
00:44:28.180 just his heresy and so why would you be comfortable asking Joe Schmo to pray
00:44:33.740 for you but you're not comfortable of asking people that we know have life by
00:44:37.760 definition they're alive they're the people who are living they have
00:44:40.440 everlasting life it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me I think it's a just
00:44:44.760 a misunderstanding of what it means to pray next point Raymond has is Mary
00:44:49.620 isn't divine that's true the church has never said Mary is divine sure we agree
00:44:54.880 you're I think that's a straw man you can't gain admission to heaven through
00:44:59.380 your works that's also right the church has never held that you can gain
00:45:02.560 admission to heaven through your works the church has actually explicitly
00:45:05.620 condemned this as a heresy this was a fifth century or it was it was a heresy
00:45:11.020 developed in the fifth century by Pelagius the Pelagian heresy why do we
00:45:16.620 call priests father only God is the father if we call anyone else other than
00:45:19.920 our daddy's father then that's diminishing God I don't see any scriptural
00:45:24.680 basis for this at all the Bible is replete with examples of people being
00:45:29.580 referred to as father who are not literally the parents of children but who are
00:45:33.860 in positions of spiritual authority and responsibility just to go through a few
00:45:38.700 in Genesis Genesis 45 8 so it was not you who sent me here but God and he has
00:45:45.580 made me a father to Pharaoh and Lord of all his house and ruler over all the land
00:45:49.620 of Egypt that's Joseph in Job I was a father to the poor and I searched out the
00:45:54.780 cause of him whom I did not know in Isaiah in that day I will call my servant
00:45:59.860 Eliakim the son of Hilkiah and I will clothe him with a robe and will bind a girdle on him
00:46:05.460 and will commit authority to his hand and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of
00:46:09.800 Jerusalem and to the house of Judah and finally St. Paul in 1st Corinthians says I do not write this to
00:46:15.780 make you ashamed but to admonish you as my beloved children for though you have
00:46:19.960 countless guides in Christ you do not have many fathers for I became your father in
00:46:24.180 Christ Jesus through the gospel I don't think that all of those scriptural
00:46:28.340 examples are heresy or blasphemous or disrespectful to God at all you know one
00:46:35.000 aspect of this where it ties back to politics is I reject ideologies per se
00:46:40.040 obviously we indulge them a little bit but the one thing I know about ideologies is
00:46:45.060 that they're not true the reason that ideologies are not true is because they're
00:46:48.240 rationalized abridgments of tradition of reality they can't possibly comprehend all of reality and
00:46:56.140 so the one thing that I know about religious sects founded by men is that they aren't true
00:47:02.120 and they aren't true because I can understand them and if I can understand them then they
00:47:05.600 aren't they aren't true they're clearly founded by men I can't I can understand Calvinism
00:47:10.440 I cannot understand the Catholic Church which for many people would be the reason why they
00:47:15.080 would be Calvinists for me it's the reason I'm a Catholic because if I can't understand it then
00:47:20.280 there's a fair shot it wasn't founded by men if no nobody in history has really been able to
00:47:25.460 encapsulate and understand this thing it's a good evidence that perhaps it was as it says
00:47:30.240 instituted by Christ on earth G.K. Chesterton converted to Catholicism for precisely this reason
00:47:35.800 he said that all these different sects are attacked for being too conservative or too left-wing
00:47:41.280 or too this or too that but only the Catholic Church is attacked for both at the same time
00:47:46.500 it's attacked from all sides which might suggest that it has the the right idea and just to hit this
00:47:53.200 point because a lot of the questions you brought up I think could be answered with a google result I
00:47:58.880 google these things all the time if your worry is that something isn't clear then I think you should
00:48:06.460 look a little harder because shallows are clear shallow religion is clear shallow thinking is clear
00:48:11.520 profound things are deep and murky that isn't my line that's the line of Father Ruttler he makes a
00:48:16.900 very good point if something is so clear that you or I can understand it I'm skeptical I'm skeptical of it and
00:48:24.360 I think we should approach our politics and certainly our human interactions and absolutely our
00:48:29.240 our awe for God with that same humility on that note I'm Michael Knowles this is the Michael Knowles
00:48:36.540 show try to survive the weekend we'll be back on Monday and I will see you then