The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 355 - Fake News： From Feminism To Foreign Policy

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00:00:30.360 From the foreign policy establishment to third wave feminists,

00:00:33.640 fake news explodes like a North Korean nuke.

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00:00:48.780 I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:00:50.880 The greatest radio interview that has ever been conducted in the history of the world

00:01:04.920 took place at the end of last week.

00:01:07.080 This is with the feminist author, Naomi Wolf, promoting her new book on BBC Three Radio.

00:01:14.380 And during this interview, feminism collapsed entirely. 1.00

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00:03:00.060 Even better, after I got my lovely sleep on my Bowlin Branch sheets,

00:03:04.020 I wake up and I get to play this interview with Naomi Wolf.

00:03:07.280 For those of you who don't know Naomi Wolf, she is possibly the leading feminist author

00:03:13.600 in the world, and she has been a preeminent feminist for at least two decades now. 1.00

00:03:19.280 She was an advisor to Bill Clinton.

00:03:21.940 So when Bill Clinton had all of his girl troubles in the 90s, he brought in Naomi Wolf to shore 1.00

00:03:26.780 up support among women.

00:03:28.720 Al Gore hired her to support his campaign in 2000.

00:03:32.320 She literally helped to launch the third wave of feminism with her book, The Beauty Myth. 1.00

00:03:39.340 She's just been a major figure, and she collapsed on the radio the other day.

00:03:43.720 I have to say, a lot of conservatives were really spiking the football on this and were

00:03:48.520 just so happy because they hate Naomi Wolf.

00:03:51.420 I sort of like Naomi Wolf, and I've always liked her, not because she's terribly insightful,

00:03:56.820 not because she's honest, as you'll see in this interview, as she gets the facts very,

00:04:01.700 very wrong, but I've always felt that Naomi Wolf would at least honestly follow her arguments

00:04:08.120 to their logical conclusions.

00:04:09.960 So even if she started with false premises, she would at least take them all the way to

00:04:14.240 the conclusion.

00:04:15.140 In 1995, writing in The New Republic, she wrote an essay about abortion, and she said, quote,

00:04:21.220 abortion should be legal.

00:04:23.060 It is sometimes even necessary.

00:04:25.580 Sometimes the mother must be able to decide that the fetus, in its full humanity, must be 0.99

00:04:31.680 must die. 0.88

00:04:32.960 This shocked, obviously, the pro-life movement, and it shocked abortion supporters as well. 0.99

00:04:38.420 It shocked the pro-life movement because we couldn't believe how honest she was.

00:04:42.920 She said, yes, the fetus is a baby.

00:04:45.080 It's fully human.

00:04:46.080 It's fully alive. 0.99

00:04:47.060 And we have to kill it in order for women to be equal. 1.00

00:04:50.960 It's an appalling statement, but it's honest. 0.99

00:04:53.260 The pro-abortion movement was horrified by this because they're basically saying, don't be

00:04:58.660 so honest, don't let the cat out of the bag.

00:05:01.160 You have to deny that the baby is a baby.

00:05:03.540 You have to deny that the baby is alive.

00:05:05.800 And she didn't.

00:05:06.600 She said, no, if we want abortion, if the argument for abortion is that men and women

00:05:11.140 need to be equal, men don't get pregnant. 1.00

00:05:13.580 Well, I guess these days they do get pregnant, but this was, this was back in the old timey 1.00

00:05:17.020 days before men could be women and women could be men. 0.96

00:05:19.800 Men can't get pregnant. 1.00

00:05:21.300 Women can. 1.00

00:05:21.880 And so the only way to have true gender equality is to allow mothers to kill their babies. 1.00

00:05:27.260 That was the argument. 0.97

00:05:28.160 That's, that's really the only coherent argument for abortion I've ever heard.

00:05:31.480 And she at least advanced that.

00:05:33.440 So I always gave her credit for that.

00:05:36.320 Still, even if she's following arguments, honestly, if the premises are false, then the

00:05:42.220 argument is going to be false as well.

00:05:44.080 And the, the premise of her new book was just eviscerated live on the air.

00:05:50.280 She was doing this interview on BBC Radio 3, and she realized that the, the thesis of

00:05:56.080 her book, which is called Outrages, Sex, Censorship, and the Criminalization of Love, is based

00:06:02.340 on a lie.

00:06:03.080 This is a slightly lengthy segment.

00:06:04.940 It is worth every second.

00:06:06.580 It is worth every single word.

00:06:08.380 Give it a listen.

00:06:09.520 Death recorded.

00:06:10.720 I was really surprised by this.

00:06:12.560 And I, I, I looked it up.

00:06:13.960 Death recorded is, is what's in, I think, most of these cases that you've, you've identified

00:06:20.260 as executions.

00:06:21.500 It doesn't mean that he was executed.

00:06:23.640 It was a category that was created in 1823 that allowed judges to abstain from pronouncing

00:06:29.340 a sentence of death on any capital convict whom they considered to be a fit subject for

00:06:33.860 pardon.

00:06:34.460 I don't think any of the executions you've identified here actually happened.

00:06:37.760 Well, that's a really important thing to investigate.

00:06:42.260 What is your, what is your understanding of what death recorded means?

00:06:45.680 Death recorded.

00:06:46.580 This is also from, I've just read you the definition of it there from the old Bailey website.

00:06:50.620 But I've got here a newspaper report about Thomas Silver and also something from, from the

00:06:57.580 prison records that, that show the date of his discharge.

00:07:01.120 The prisoner was found guilty and sentence of death was recorded.

00:07:04.460 Yeah.

00:07:05.040 Ah, the jury recommended the prisoner to mercy on account of his youth.

00:07:08.820 See, I think this, I think this is a kind of, when I found this, I didn't really know

00:07:13.180 what to do with it because I think it is, I think it's quite a big problem with your

00:07:16.680 argument.

00:07:17.820 Also, it's the nature of the offence here.

00:07:20.380 Thomas Silver committed an indecent assault on a six-year-old boy.

00:07:24.780 Stop it.

00:07:25.540 Stop it.

00:07:26.080 She's already dead.

00:07:27.300 Stop it.

00:07:28.020 Don't go.

00:07:28.420 It's so totally devastating.

00:07:31.620 It is almost painful to listen to that radio clip. 0.99

00:07:36.560 So she says, the premise of her book is that gay men were executed for consensual sex in 0.63

00:07:45.300 the UK in the 19th century, early 20th century.

00:07:48.380 And it's this awful oppression and see, it's really been happening over time.

00:07:52.920 The reason that she concluded that is because in cases of sodomy, the punishment was death 0.93

00:08:00.520 recorded.

00:08:02.620 And so Naomi Wolf, apparently ignorant of the English jurisprudential tradition, just assumed

00:08:09.200 that meant that the person had been executed somehow.

00:08:12.500 They hadn't.

00:08:13.660 Death recorded was just a way for the judge to say, okay, you've been sentenced to death

00:08:17.680 for your crime.

00:08:18.800 Your death is now recorded. 0.67

00:08:20.940 You're okay.

00:08:21.480 You get out of jail.

00:08:22.260 It was a way to give leniency to people.

00:08:25.420 And also, so obviously this is an egregious error.

00:08:29.500 If you're going to write a book with the premise that gay men were executed in the United

00:08:34.960 Kingdom, you need to know what these terms mean.

00:08:38.700 You need to be able to prove that point.

00:08:40.320 But okay, I mean, maybe some of us also ignorant of English jurisprudence, maybe we would have

00:08:44.700 fallen for that too.

00:08:45.860 Then he goes on with a knockout punch at the end. 0.99

00:08:48.040 He says, also, it's not that these were cases of consensual sex between adult gay men. 0.99

00:08:54.600 This guy that you're talking about raped a six-year-old boy. 0.94

00:08:59.100 And then he goes on and points out in so many of the other cases she's observing, where you're

00:09:04.660 talking about not just statutory rape, you're talking about a forcible rape between adults.

00:09:09.960 None of these cases appear to have been consensual, at least the ones that this interviewer looked into.

00:09:15.580 And what does Naomi Wolf get to say? 0.72

00:09:17.040 She can say, oh, well, yes, I suppose we should look into that.

00:09:22.120 What does this word mean?

00:09:23.420 I mean, it just totally collapses.

00:09:25.860 The problem with feminism is not that feminists are bad people. 1.00

00:09:32.040 The problem with feminism is not that their arguments necessarily go completely off the rails. 1.00

00:09:39.580 The problem with feminism is that it's based on lies, such as this. 1.00

00:09:44.780 The problem with gender theory is it's based on lies, such as this.

00:09:48.640 I mean, just demonstrable historical untruths.

00:09:51.720 And so what do they do?

00:09:55.880 They have to rewrite the past.

00:09:57.260 I mean, you hear this.

00:09:57.940 Even third-wave feminists now will say that until 1965, women were brutally, horribly oppressed in this country. 1.00

00:10:05.800 This is one of the claims, right?

00:10:07.140 Before second-wave feminism, women were horribly oppressed. 1.00

00:10:10.120 Everything was terrible.

00:10:10.920 Then with the rise of second-wave feminism, women's station in life gradually increased. 1.00

00:10:16.440 They got more political rights, more opportunities in the workplace, more social privileges.

00:10:20.640 And therefore, now everything's great.

00:10:23.440 The problem with that narrative that women had it terrible before the 60s and now it's really great 1.00

00:10:28.300 is that study after study shows, women have become less happy, specifically since that time.

00:10:34.620 Specifically since the rise of second-wave feminism, women have become less happy in both absolute terms 0.99

00:10:40.040 and in relative terms, relative to men's happiness.

00:10:42.960 Based on lies, these gender theory ideas that come around are based on the lie that men can be women and women can be men.

00:10:52.020 And so they make arguments from those premises of which bathrooms you should use, what hormones you should inject,

00:10:57.000 what clothing you should wear.

00:10:58.500 The arguments, I suppose, sort of make sense, except they're based on a lie.

00:11:03.020 And so what Naomi Wolf is demonstrating here and what a lot of these radicals do is they have to change the past. 1.00

00:11:12.000 They have to erase the past.

00:11:13.880 They have to say that gay men were executed for consensual sex as a widespread epidemic in the United Kingdom in the past. 0.70

00:11:20.620 It didn't happen.

00:11:21.600 We can look into the historical record and show that it didn't.

00:11:24.060 But by controlling the past, you control the future.

00:11:26.600 By erasing the past, you control the future.

00:11:30.140 That's why the radical left wants to tear down monuments, rename buildings, rename memorials.

00:11:35.460 By controlling the past, you control the future.

00:11:37.740 This is why Oliver Stone makes a movie about the assassination of JFK in which JFK is not killed by a communist as actually happened

00:11:46.640 and as we know happened, but he's killed by a bunch of Republicans or the military-industrial complex or the CIA or whatever.

00:11:54.520 This is why Adam McKay needs to make a movie about Dick Cheney in which Dick Cheney does a number of awful things that we know for a fact he didn't do.

00:12:04.040 In Adam McKay's movie, In Vice, Dick Cheney leaks the identity of this CIA operative Valerie Plain.

00:12:10.820 We know that didn't happen.

00:12:12.360 We know who leaked her identity.

00:12:14.100 We know it was Richard Armitage.

00:12:15.640 But it doesn't matter.

00:12:16.560 By controlling the past, by rewriting the past, you get to control the future.

00:12:21.300 And this is happening in feminism as well. 1.00

00:12:23.520 So what on earth can Naomi Wolf do now? 0.91

00:12:26.880 The thesis of her book, Proven Incorrect on Air, we'll see which way she can take it because this is the question that fake news has to deal with everywhere. 0.89

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00:14:00.720 So what can Naomi Wolf do now? 1.00

00:14:03.960 Her book falls apart live on the air.

00:14:06.900 She handled this as best as she could.

00:14:08.800 She came out and she said, oh, I'll have to look into that.

00:14:11.560 Or, oh, yes, okay, this merits further investigation.

00:14:14.800 So what can she do?

00:14:15.840 She can either double down. 1.00

00:14:18.400 She can go back.

00:14:19.440 Obviously, they're going to have to indefinitely push the release of this book.

00:14:22.380 She can double down. 0.99

00:14:23.400 She can find one case somewhere where consensual gay guys were killed for being gay. 0.96

00:14:29.820 If she can find that.

00:14:31.900 I don't even know that that exists. 0.99

00:14:33.220 Or more likely, she can say, okay, they weren't killed for being gay and having gay sex, but they were killed. 0.98

00:14:40.600 Or rather, they did suffer political consequences. 0.99

00:14:43.520 They were imprisoned.

00:14:44.500 They lost their jobs.

00:14:46.020 And really, this is just as bad as capital punishment.

00:14:50.400 So really, if you really think about it, actually, really, the thesis of my book is correct.

00:14:56.380 And she can try to salvage this book.

00:14:58.360 I mean, it would be a little pathetic, but she could try to do it. 0.58

00:15:01.220 Now, the other thing she can do is admit that she was wrong.

00:15:07.120 This is the hardest thing for people to do, especially political activists, especially people with a highly defined ideology.

00:15:16.500 The best thing that they can do is admit that they were wrong.

00:15:20.720 You know, the old conservative columnist, the late great Charles Krauthammer, was a dyed-in-the-wool liberal when he was a young man.

00:15:27.580 He was a speechwriter for the Democrat presidential candidate Walter Mondale.

00:15:31.440 And then he became one of the leading figures during the Reagan administration and later during the Bush 2 administration.

00:15:38.180 He was a major conservative figure.

00:15:40.880 How?

00:15:41.780 I got to ask him this question while he was alive.

00:15:44.480 And he said that he realized that the policies that he had supported, the liberal policies, actually hurt the people that they were intended to help.

00:15:53.200 He came to the same conclusion as Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

00:15:57.580 Pat Moynihan, a Democrat, wrote the Moynihan Report on the consequences of all of those great society welfare programs.

00:16:05.980 He realized they were hurting the people they were intended to help.

00:16:09.580 He changed his mind.

00:16:11.120 This is a liberating experience when you can change your mind.

00:16:14.560 I have changed my mind on a number of topics throughout the years. 0.97

00:16:17.920 I am sure I thought a lot of stupid things about politics when I was 13 or 14 years old. 0.87

00:16:23.920 And then over time I changed my mind. 0.99

00:16:25.900 And it's great.

00:16:26.980 I highly recommend that you do it.

00:16:28.620 I used to support abortion.

00:16:30.300 Abortion's been in the news a lot the last couple weeks.

00:16:32.720 I thought abortion was just fine and dandy. 0.98

00:16:35.460 I thought it was perfectly right.

00:16:37.880 It would give women equality.

00:16:39.560 It was a perfectly fine policy.

00:16:41.380 And then I investigated it.

00:16:44.420 I read about abortion.

00:16:45.620 I read about the realities of abortion.

00:16:47.480 I had a conversation with a female bioethicist when I was a student fellow in D.C.

00:16:52.940 And she made better arguments than I did.

00:16:55.960 She told me things about abortion that I didn't know.

00:17:01.020 And then I changed my mind.

00:17:02.840 And I'm glad I did because my old opinion was incorrect.

00:17:05.020 And now my opinion is correct.

00:17:08.120 The more I learn about abortion, the more wrong I realize that I was. 0.99

00:17:13.480 The trouble with ideology and being so committed to ideology is it makes you look ridiculous. 0.96

00:17:19.620 And it traps you into very narrow thinking. 0.88

00:17:22.980 When you could admit that you are wrong, that is an act of humility.

00:17:26.600 It is an act of wisdom.

00:17:27.540 And it is an act of liberation.

00:17:29.900 We will see how Naomi Wolf handles it. 0.92

00:17:31.920 She's always been one of the better feminists, I thought. 1.00

00:17:36.500 Which is sort of damning with faint praise. 0.77

00:17:38.900 It's like the healthiest poison.

00:17:41.660 But she's always been a little better than some of the other shrieking ones.

00:17:45.640 So we'll see how she handles it.

00:17:46.800 I hope she comes out and says, wow, I was wrong.

00:17:49.020 I hope she goes out and writes the opposite of this book.

00:17:52.040 Says, look, people weren't oppressed for their sexual preferences.

00:17:56.800 Look, people weren't really victimized to the degree that I thought they were.

00:18:01.200 What a great thing.

00:18:02.360 I've learned something about my cultural history and that makes me like my history more.

00:18:07.680 It makes me like my civilization more.

00:18:09.960 I hope she writes that book.

00:18:10.980 Not holding my breath, but that would be a true breath of fresh air,

00:18:14.400 especially in a highly partisan and ideological time such as we are in.

00:18:19.300 But the fake news of the weekend was not limited to feminism. 0.99

00:18:22.480 There was also major fake news that came out of the foreign policy establishment.

00:18:27.500 You had this guy, Ian Bremmer.

00:18:30.880 If you haven't heard of Ian Bremmer, he is the real deal.

00:18:33.880 This is a major establishment figure in foreign policy.

00:18:37.580 He's a political scientist.

00:18:38.940 He's a professor at NYU.

00:18:40.420 He's the founder of the Eurasia Group.

00:18:42.600 He's a talking head.

00:18:43.960 He'll go on television a lot.

00:18:45.520 He writes for Time Magazine.

00:18:47.320 This is not just some two-bit tweeter or political pundit or something.

00:18:51.860 This guy has credibility or had credibility in foreign policy.

00:18:56.960 And he sent out a tweet while President Trump was in Tokyo.

00:19:00.420 And this is the whole text of the tweet.

00:19:02.680 Quote, President Trump in Tokyo, Kim Jong-un is smarter and would make a better president

00:19:08.200 than sleepy Joe Biden.

00:19:11.620 And people started retweeting this, thousands of retweets.

00:19:14.880 Someone responded and said that cannot be a real quote.

00:19:17.240 And Bremmer responded to her and said, it's plausible.

00:19:22.240 Okay, now, you and I know this is not plausible.

00:19:27.300 Anybody who has not been totally deranged by the Trump administration, who has not become 0.93

00:19:33.680 this totally reactionary maniac who believes that Trump is a secret super-duper KGB Nazi 0.93

00:19:40.240 spy, traitor, whatever, realizes that is not plausible. 0.97

00:19:44.100 President Trump says a lot of colorful things, but he would not go out and say Kim Jong-un

00:19:48.780 is smarter and would make a better president than Joe Biden.

00:19:53.100 This quote is only plausible to people who have an unrealistically negative view of Trump.

00:20:00.740 Look, Trump would say, he actually has said a lot of things about Joe Biden and about Kim

00:20:05.080 Jong-un and about Kim Jong-un and Joe Biden, but he wouldn't say that.

00:20:09.680 There's no way that the president would endorse a North Korean dictator for president over Joe

00:20:14.740 Biden, right? However, among people who have an unrealistically negative view of the president,

00:20:20.520 they all believed it. They showed themselves to be gullible fools. 1.00

00:20:24.900 Anna Navarro, who is a fake Republican, she goes on television and pretends to be a Republican, 1.00

00:20:29.960 even though she is not. I don't remember the last time she did anything that in any way aided

00:20:34.440 any Republican. She came out and tweeted, quote, she, she retweeted Bremer and she said,

00:20:40.340 don't shrug your shoulders. Don't get used to this insanity. The president of the United States

00:20:44.900 praising a cruel dictator who violates human rights, threatens nuclear attacks, oppresses his people 0.95

00:20:50.320 and kills political opponents. Quotes or capital letters is not freaking normal. 0.61

00:20:57.080 Anna Navarro is not kidding around. Zach Petkonos, who is a former senior advisor to Hillary Clinton,

00:21:03.980 former senior advisor to the Democrat National Committee. He tweeted out, same thing, same Ian

00:21:10.200 Bremmer quote, the president of the United States is not in control of his faculties, hashtag 25th

00:21:17.460 amendment, suggesting we need to remove the president from office because of the quote that

00:21:21.620 Ian Bremmer attributed to him. Then Bremmer came out and he admitted the quote is completely

00:21:28.600 ridiculous. He said, this was Bremmer's explanation of it. This is objectively a completely ludicrous 0.74

00:21:35.300 quote and yet kind of plausible, especially on Twitter where people automatically support whatever 0.66

00:21:41.700 political position they have. That's the point. So, so what Bremmer is saying is, see, I got all of you.

00:21:48.260 I was exposing how gullible you are. This isn't a hoax. This is just an experiment. This is just a sort of

00:21:54.460 art piece to show you how gullible all of you are and also to show you how president Trump says

00:22:01.060 outrageous things so that when he says something that is even beyond the pale for president Trump,

00:22:06.360 you sort of believe it, especially if you already don't like president Trump. That's, that was

00:22:12.260 Bremmer's spin on this because he got a huge negative reaction. People rightly pointed out that

00:22:17.860 he spread fake news, the definition of fake news. President Trump then came out and tweeted about it.

00:22:24.840 He said, Ian Bremmer now admits that he made up a completely ludicrous quote attributing it to me.

00:22:29.580 This is what's going on in the age of fake news. People think they can say anything and get away

00:22:33.620 with it. Really, the libel laws should be changed to hold fake news media accountable. I won't get into

00:22:39.020 the libel law discussion now. That will take us an hour probably, but Trump goes out and he says,

00:22:44.680 this is fake news. Look what he did. It got thousands and thousands of retweets before he

00:22:50.060 finally admitted that it wasn't true. And Bremmer now has since apologized. He said,

00:22:54.880 my tweet yesterday about Trump referring Kim Jong-un to Biden as president was meant to ingest. 0.94

00:22:59.800 The president quoted me as saying it was completely ridiculous. I should have been clearer.

00:23:03.520 My apologies. Everybody is angry at Ian Bremmer for this fake news. The right is angry because

00:23:09.500 it, it, he, he was trying to make Donald Trump look crazy and unpatriotic. And a lot of people, 0.70

00:23:16.740 thousands and thousands of people retweeted this before he came out and admitted it was fake. 1.00

00:23:20.820 The left is angry with Ian Bremmer because it makes them look stupid and a little bit crazy, 1.00

00:23:26.240 which is no surprise to any of us, but obviously he just made them look like gullible fools. 1.00

00:23:31.900 So what about Ian Bremmer's excuses? What about his excuse that he was just showing us one, 0.99

00:23:42.700 how outrageous Trump can be to how gullible we are all, all are on Twitter. Three, the, the

00:23:49.660 integrity of, of the news media and how the integrity has been diminished, how the credibility

00:23:55.100 has been diminished, how we don't check anything anymore, how we don't fact check, how we don't

00:23:59.220 look into things for ourselves. Does he have a point? Yes, totally. He totally has a point.

00:24:05.420 You should never run with something because you saw a tweet about it. You should never quote anybody.

00:24:12.300 This one I see all the time on the internet. You'll see a picture of somebody and then a quote next to

00:24:16.920 them. The famous version of this is a picture of Abraham Lincoln. And it says, don't believe

00:24:24.040 everything you read just because you saw it on the internet. Abraham Lincoln. And this is obviously

00:24:30.240 mocking what people do, which is they'll read a quote, they'll see it next to a person's name,

00:24:34.280 and they'll just assume it's true. I, I investigate every single quote that I put on this show or I put

00:24:41.000 in writing or that I read on the internet. 95% of the time, the quotes that you read on the internet

00:24:47.340 attributed to historical figures are false. They never said them. Almost 100% of the time,

00:24:54.040 it's not a scientific number. I'm just telling you from experience. It virtually every quote you

00:24:59.520 read attributed to Winston Churchill or George Washington or Thomas Jefferson or Abraham Lincoln

00:25:04.920 is just not true. And so when you see a quote on the internet, especially one that seems a little

00:25:10.680 ridiculous, you should look it up. Bremers are right about that. Is he right that the president says 0.99

00:25:15.840 outrageous things? Yes, he does. President Trump says outrageous things and his critics,

00:25:23.820 Trump's critics in particular, don't know where the line of plausibility is. Trump could go out and

00:25:28.760 say, oh, Kim's a really nice guy. Or he could say, yeah, Joe Biden's an idiot. And we, and we would 1.00

00:25:33.580 all assume that that is totally plausible. It is not plausible that Donald Trump would go out and say,

00:25:38.740 I think Kim Jong-un would make a great president of the United States compared to Joe Biden. That's,

00:25:43.320 that is just too ludicrous. Bremers is also right that Twitter is fundamentally performative. 0.77

00:25:51.320 Twitter is not about conversation. It is not about the exchange of ideas. It is performative. It's

00:25:56.640 performative in the way that a presidential debate is not about conversation or exchanging ideas.

00:26:01.880 It's about scoring points and showing your audience that your opinion is correct and the

00:26:06.400 other guy's opinion is wrong. That is what Twitter is for. People have Twitter audiences.

00:26:10.940 Those audience are waiting for the people they're following and we are waiting for the people that

00:26:16.640 we're following to say things and to score points and to show that the opinions that we all share

00:26:21.280 are more correct than the opinions that we all oppose. People don't really fact check, particularly

00:26:26.360 the left. People don't use common sense, particularly the left, because the left doesn't have a whole lot

00:26:32.180 of common sense. So should Ian Bremmer have posted that? Since it had, it did have a lot of value in that

00:26:38.360 tweet. And I really like it because it's hilarious to show how gullible the left is. Should he have

00:26:43.300 posted it? No, he shouldn't have. We'll get to why in a second. We'll get to what President Trump

00:26:48.440 actually said about Kim Jong-un and Joe Biden, which is almost as outrageous, not quite, but it's

00:26:54.620 almost as outrageous. Pretty funny. A lot of people are upset about it. And we'll get to Eric Swalwell,

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00:28:00.760 So Ian Bremmer's tweet has a point. It shows that people on Twitter are too gullible. It shows that

00:28:07.420 the president does say some outrageous things. It shows that the media are undignified and usually

00:28:14.840 spread fake news. So it does have a point. He still shouldn't have tweeted it. Why? Because he

00:28:20.620 has a reputation. And it's not just him. We all have reputations. But Ian Bremmer is a recognizable

00:28:28.860 name. He has a little blue check mark. He goes to lunches at the Council on Foreign Relations.

00:28:33.620 This is a real guy. And he is risking, he is tarnishing his reputation and his credibility

00:28:42.180 by engaging in this little joke or hoax or experiment or art piece or whatever you want

00:28:48.400 to call it or whatever he wants to call it. That is fake news. He did it. He shouldn't do it. I get

00:28:55.280 the point that he's trying to make. But he's making that point at the expense of his credibility.

00:29:00.440 The mainstream media have lost all of their credibility over the last three years too.

00:29:04.660 So I guess maybe that's not a terrible thing. That's the fake news about Trump and Kim and

00:29:09.420 Joe Biden. The real news is pretty out there as well. The real news actually is a news story.

00:29:15.380 President Trump during a press conference in Japan was asked about a quote from Kim Jong-un 0.99

00:29:21.540 where Kim Jong-un criticized Joe Biden and called him an idiot. Here is how President Trump 0.99

00:29:28.260 responded to this question. Well, Kim Jong-un made a statement that Joe Biden is a low IQ

00:29:35.400 individual. He probably is based on his record. I think I agree with him on that. But at the same

00:29:41.980 time, my people think it could have been a violation, as you know. I view it differently. I view it as a man

00:29:50.000 perhaps he wants to get attention. And perhaps not. Who knows? It doesn't matter. All I know is that

00:29:56.860 there have been no nuclear tests. There have been no ballistic missiles going out. There have been no

00:30:02.900 long-range missiles going out. And I think that someday we'll have a deal.

00:30:09.040 Okay. So I just can't help myself. When I heard this clip for the first time, I burst out laughing.

00:30:18.360 Mr. President, Kim Jong-un called Joe Biden an idiot. Well, listen, he called Joe Biden a low IQ 1.00

00:30:25.220 individual. Judging from the evidence, this is probably correct. However, and then he goes on,

00:30:31.140 I just burst out laughing. What should he have done here? For the people on the left and the right who

00:30:37.020 are criticizing him for this response and saying it's undignified and saying it's not nice to say

00:30:41.880 mean things about fellow politicians overseas and saying that's all, I get it. What was he supposed

00:30:47.860 to do? He was asked if he agrees with Kim Jong-un. He was asked if he, he was, he was asked about this

00:30:55.300 comment from Kim Jong-un that Biden is an idiot. This is a trap, right? Because as a rule, if you are 1.00

00:31:02.020 agreeing with Kim Jong-un, you're doing something wrong. You'd know, no American politician wants to

00:31:07.580 be put in the position where he has to agree with Kim Jong-un. So if he agrees with Kim Jong-un,

00:31:11.740 he looks awful. If he disagrees with Kim Jong-un, he looks like a liar and a hack because President 0.99

00:31:17.420 Trump has pointed out that Joe Biden is an idiot for years and years at this point. So you have, 1.00

00:31:23.560 Donald Trump says Joe Biden's an idiot. Then Kim Jong-un says Joe Biden's an idiot. 1.00

00:31:27.060 Then a reporter says, do you agree with Kim Jong-un that Joe Biden's an idiot? Trump has to say, 1.00

00:31:31.680 yeah, of course I do. I've been saying it since way before Kim Jong-un was saying that Joe Biden's

00:31:36.020 an idiot. Also, Joe Biden is an idiot. Little bit of a side note, but Joe Biden had terrible academic 1.00

00:31:43.020 records. This is actually the reason that he had to drop out of the 1988 race because he plagiarized a

00:31:49.620 speech and because he lied about his academic record. He said he did well in his law school class.

00:31:54.540 He actually was number 76 out of 85 in his law school class. So just as an objective matter,

00:32:02.000 Joe Biden probably is a low IQ individual. Still, the question is, should he have agreed with Kim

00:32:09.080 Jong-un on this point, especially overseas? On top of all of this, President Trump, as he just said,

00:32:15.860 as you heard him say, thinks that he is going to get a deal with North Korea. A lot of people are

00:32:22.120 highly skeptical that he's going to get a deal with North Korea, but he thinks he is. And he 0.57

00:32:26.420 thinks that the way to get a deal is not to antagonize Kim. So I'm not saying this is right.

00:32:32.800 I'm not saying this is moral. I'm not even saying it's likely to work. I'm just saying this is the

00:32:37.840 strategy. Trump comes out, he says, look, there haven't been nuclear tests. He's not shooting off

00:32:42.020 ballistic missiles. He's not. Okay. So I think we've got progress. And, and Kim Jong-un criticizing Joe

00:32:49.780 Biden was probably a way to ingratiate himself to Trump. So I'm not going to antagonize him.

00:32:54.760 That I think is the strategy. Also, we just as Americans find it repulsive when the president of

00:33:03.880 the United States agrees with a hostile foreign leaders criticism of our politicians, even if he's

00:33:10.740 as awful a politician as Joe Biden, by the way, Joe Biden engages in this kind of stuff too.

00:33:15.020 Joe Biden has helped to launch his campaign by saying that he's been talking to foreign leaders

00:33:21.000 about how terrible Trump is and how Trump is a danger to the world. And they want Joe Biden to

00:33:26.100 run for president. So Joe Biden actually is engaging in almost this exact sort of thing. I guess it's

00:33:31.060 from the other perspective. He's engaging from it as he's talking to foreign leaders and he's agreeing

00:33:36.480 with foreign leaders that Trump is a crazy, awful madman and they want him to run. And Donald Trump is 1.00

00:33:42.300 agreeing with a hostile foreign leader who's saying that, that Joe Biden is an idiot, which he is. 1.00

00:33:48.140 So they're, they're both kind of engaging in this, but we do find it repugnant. We find it repulsive 1.00

00:33:53.280 when the president goes over there and ever utters the words, I agree with Kim Jong-un. Okay. How could 0.84

00:33:59.180 he have done this better? What he might have said is something to the effect of, they say, President

00:34:06.360 Trump, do you agree with Kim Jong-un that Joe Biden's an idiot? And he, he could say something 1.00

00:34:11.640 like, I don't make a habit of publicly agreeing with hostile foreign leaders who criticize our

00:34:18.560 politicians, even when those criticisms are correct. All right. He could have said something like this,

00:34:24.300 where he is acknowledging the principle of not agreeing with a guy like Kim Jong-un publicly,

00:34:28.940 especially over American politicians, and also admitting that it is the case that Joe Biden is 1.00

00:34:35.360 an idiot. And he has been saying this for years. He could have done that, except that it's a little 1.00

00:34:41.080 too subtle. That is not Trump. Ronald Reagan could have gotten away with that. Ronald Reagan could have

00:34:47.560 turned a phrase such as that, where he acknowledges the principle. He has a dignified response. And then he

00:34:53.640 gets the dig in at the end. He makes a little joke at the end about how his opponent's an idiot, 1.00

00:34:57.500 very Reagan-esque. Trump doesn't do that. Donald Trump is too blunt. Donald Trump is too personal. 1.00

00:35:05.880 What we are seeing is the presidential politics in the era of reality television. When I see Donald

00:35:13.260 Trump engaging in this kind of behavior, I don't compare that to Ronald Reagan or Abraham Lincoln.

00:35:21.160 That's, I think, what the anti-Trump right wants to do. That's obviously what the left-wingers are

00:35:25.380 trying to do. They're trying to compare these totally anachronistic historical eras and say,

00:35:32.600 see, Donald Trump should have talked like this statesman or that statesman or this foreign leader

00:35:36.760 or that person. That's not how I see it. What I see is that this is reality TV. It's the kind of

00:35:44.060 personal, petty, catty reality TV stuff. When I saw that clip, it reminded me of those old VH1 shows

00:35:50.800 from the 2000s. It reminded me of, there was a show with Flavor Flav called The Flavor of Love,

00:35:57.180 you know, where they have the regular scene is going on and they cut away and everyone's gossiping

00:36:01.840 and saying mean things about each other. It reminded me of a classic reality TV show.

00:36:07.660 I didn't let y'all know. I invited me a special guest.

00:36:12.860 Oh, hell. Who the hell is it going to be now? I'm thinking it's one of his homies or something. 1.00

00:36:20.860 Yo, New York!

00:36:25.160 Hi, baby! 0.99

00:36:26.680 In comes this bitch, New York from last season. 1.00

00:36:34.900 Your eyes ain't playing tricks on you. This is mad love right here. 1.00

00:36:37.940 This is what we're watching. This is what presidential politics, not just in the United

00:36:43.580 States, but around the world has become. It's just Donald Trump there is Flavor Flav. He say,

00:36:48.960 yo, I invited a guest. Yo, Kim Jong-un, come on in. And they come in and they kind of say nice

00:36:53.740 things about each other and everyone is scandalized and everyone is totally shocked and they're all

00:36:58.040 pretending to be appalled. Then it cuts away to, you know, you'll see Donald Trump now. He'll comment

00:37:03.660 on politics as though he were a political pundit. He'll comment on politics as though he's doing a

00:37:09.480 cutaway on a reality TV show. So just a few weeks ago, you heard him talk about Elizabeth Warren.

00:37:14.820 He's asked about Elizabeth Warren. He says, look, frankly, I think she's done for. I think she's

00:37:19.440 going nowhere in this race. She's probably going to have to drop out because she said that she was 1.00

00:37:23.200 an Indian, but she's not really an Indian. I could have taken a test. I'd be more Indian than her, 1.00

00:37:27.280 even though that's zero. Ha ha ha. Oh yeah. Sleepy Joe Biden is doing this. Crazy Bernie's doing this.

00:37:32.920 It's all reality TV and we love it. We totally love it. That's why we love reality TV.

00:37:42.600 Abraham Lincoln is presidential politics in the era of great oratory. During Lincoln's time,

00:37:48.820 one of the main forms of entertainment was to go out and listen to politicians give three-hour

00:37:53.440 speeches, literally three-hour orations. And this was a major cultural and entertainment event.

00:38:00.140 Before Lincoln became president, he had the Lincoln-Douglas debates.

00:38:02.920 He'd go around the country and it was a road show with Stephen Douglas and they would debate the

00:38:07.700 question of slavery in soaring rhetoric that would go on for hours. Ronald Reagan then is

00:38:13.640 politics, presidential politics in the era of Hollywood's golden age and the kind of final days

00:38:20.360 of glamorous Hollywood. So the Reagan era was highly scripted, cinematic, glamorous.

00:38:27.760 It wasn't the same thing as Abraham Lincoln, but it was Hollywood. It was epic. It was Ronald Reagan going

00:38:35.440 to Berlin and saying, tear down this wall, Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall, going rather to the Berlin 0.57

00:38:43.500 wall. That was politics in the age of Reagan. Big screen. President Trump is presidential politics

00:38:53.280 in the era of reality television. It's smaller. It's cattier. It's more gossipy. It's more focused

00:39:00.880 on personal relationships and personal intrigue. And it's about the funny barb. It's about the

00:39:07.920 cutting barb, the petty barb. It's more authentic. It's not the big screen and the proper framing and

00:39:15.160 the right shots. It's a camera following you around. It's a tweet. It's an Instagram post.

00:39:19.640 It's less guarded. It is less dignified. It is less principled, but that's what it is. And it's not

00:39:26.800 Trump's fault. I'm not defending the president exactly on this line of agreeing that Joe Biden's

00:39:35.660 an idiot with Kim Jong-un. I'm not defending the area of reality television. I'm just saying 1.00

00:39:41.940 that's the culture we're in. Reality TV didn't get popular in spite of us. We made reality TV popular.

00:39:50.280 That's what our culture wants. Donald Trump didn't accidentally become president. We voted for him.

00:39:56.440 We voted for the king of reality television to be the president. That's on the culture. That's what

00:40:03.740 the culture wants. You can't then elect the king of reality TV to be the president. And then he behaves

00:40:09.420 like he's on reality TV. And then we all pretend that we're shocked and horrified and appalled

00:40:13.740 that he's behaving like he's on reality TV. That's the culture that we're in. And you can

00:40:20.300 scream and yell and talk about how awful the culture is. That's the reality. And people who

00:40:26.120 are going to succeed in this culture are going to engage in reality TV. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has

00:40:32.540 made herself one of the biggest names in national politics. And because it's the U.S., therefore, 1.00

00:40:37.360 global politics. And she does it by making chili in her crock pot at night and live streaming it and 1.00

00:40:43.860 rambling incoherently about global warming. She does it while she's, you know, painting her wall

00:40:50.200 or whatever, sitting on her, sitting with a glass of wine on the floor of her apartment. That's reality

00:40:55.860 TV. That's not Reagan. That's not Lincoln. That's not great rhetoric. That's not cinematic Hollywood.

00:41:00.760 That's where we are. President Trump even explained that this is the culture that we're in. He tweeted out,

00:41:07.360 quote, North Korea fired off some small weapons which disturbed some of my people and others,

00:41:12.620 but not me. I have confidence that Chairman Kim will keep his promise to me and also smiled when

00:41:18.440 he called swamp man Joe Biden a low IQ individual and worse. Perhaps that's sending me a signal.

00:41:24.820 That tweet from President Trump is the cutaway in the reality TV show. He's explaining what's

00:41:31.480 happening. It's all personal. It's all just about him and Kim. It's not about the principles

00:41:35.720 or the historic relationship between the U.S. and Korea. He, even at the end, he says,

00:41:40.940 perhaps that's sending me a signal. Oops, I don't know. Who knows? That is the era that we're in.

00:41:47.680 And look, either you can whine and complain about how terrible things are and how everything was so

00:41:53.080 much better in the good old days, or you can deal with reality, accept it as it is. And look,

00:41:58.520 this petty era of politics is giving us some great stuff, such as the fake presidential campaign of

00:42:05.500 Eric Swalwell. I know he thinks it's a real presidential campaign. It is a parody of a

00:42:10.260 presidential campaign. Over the weekend, he sent out a fundraising email. The subject was,

00:42:15.320 we're on a downtrend. My heart started beating fast. I said, oh no, please don't tell me the

00:42:20.160 Swalwell campaign is over because Eric Swalwell said, I am you. Therefore, I am Eric Swalwell.

00:42:24.940 Therefore, my presidential campaign is over. That's no good. He writes, he says, quote,

00:42:29.160 we're writing to you with an urgent request. We just looked at our finances. It seems like we're

00:42:33.020 on a downtrend for this month's fundraising numbers. I hope not, because his is my favorite race in

00:42:38.860 2020. He then posted this video from Vice News, where he is asked why America should elect just

00:42:47.200 another white guy. Why should another white guy be president? Well, a white guy who doesn't see

00:42:53.660 other identities or understand other experiences should not be president. I do. And where there 0.98

00:43:00.440 would be gaps in my knowledge or my experience, I will pass the mic to people who do have that

00:43:06.400 experience. I'm a white guy, and I'm really sorry for that, and I'm terrible, and therefore you should 0.98

00:43:11.900 elect me president because I won't ever be president or say anything or do anything. I'll let other people

00:43:17.580 who are not white guys do that, and that's why you should elect me a white guy. I am you. That's,

00:43:23.900 that's Eric Swalwell's presidential campaign. You should elect me a white guy because white guys are 0.59

00:43:29.900 terrible. That's it. He is a parody of a progressive presidential candidate, and in this video, he not 1.00

00:43:37.740 only reveals himself to be vacuous, just absolutely vapid and empty-headed, he also reveals all of the

00:43:45.420 left-wing slogans that he parrots to be empty as well. So at the end, he says, I'm going to pick a

00:43:50.920 woman for vice president. I pledge to pick a woman. Why? Is he going to pick a woman because one particular

00:43:57.920 woman is very talented? No. Any woman will do. Any woman. I, I'm Eric Swalwell, and I value women so much

00:44:05.740 that I think they're all basically the same, and I'm just going to pick one so that it makes it easier

00:44:09.400 to elect me a white guy. His slogan is go big, be bold, do good. What does that mean? I have

00:44:17.760 absolutely no idea. What does Eric Swalwell want to do? Nobody knows because he doesn't care, because

00:44:23.420 he stands for nothing, because he is the emptiest candidate in the race, with the possible exception

00:44:28.100 of Beto O'Rourke. He says he's willing to pass the mic. He says he's going to pass the mic

00:44:33.140 for issues that a white guy shouldn't address. If he's going to pass the microphone, why should we

00:44:38.620 elect him? Shouldn't, if, if he's going to pass the mic to people who are better qualified than he

00:44:44.280 is, shouldn't we just elect the person that he's going to pass the mic to? Is he going to get up

00:44:48.280 there during the Democrat presidential debates, and they're going to ask him a question, and he'll say,

00:44:52.120 you know, before I answer, how about any of the ethnic minorities or women on stage? They should 1.00

00:44:56.980 answer. Okay, then I guess we should elect them too, because we're going to pass the mic. When Iran fires

00:45:01.440 some missile at one of our ships in the Middle East, is he going to pass the mic as President

00:45:06.640 Swalwell to someone who knows Iranian culture better? He's going to pass the mic to someone who 1.00

00:45:11.800 has eaten more falafel and hummus or something? He's a white guy. What does he know about Iran?

00:45:17.920 We elect politicians not to pass the mic, not to give away their power to some arbitrary identity

00:45:25.340 group. We elect them for their judgment. This is the same problem Beto has. Beto was in Iowa. He

00:45:31.020 came out and he said he wants voters to shape him into the presidential candidate that they want.

00:45:37.000 He wants voters to mold him into the presidential candidate. I guess if you don't have a spine,

00:45:42.560 then you're pretty malleable. You're easily molded. We elect people because they stand for something.

00:45:47.940 If we're just going to mold you into whatever we want, well, why would we ever elect you? Why not

00:45:52.540 elect any of the other people who may be already themselves align more with what we think? And because

00:45:58.040 they're not infinitely malleable, might actually stand for what they say they're going to stand

00:46:02.900 for. They might actually keep their promises. That's why he's not going anywhere. That's why

00:46:07.360 Swalwell is not going anywhere. I mean, these campaigns that stand for nothing are collapsing

00:46:12.160 in real time. Joe Biden is afraid of this. We'll get to him a little bit more tomorrow. Before we go,

00:46:17.720 because it's the day after Memorial Day we weren't on yesterday, I just want to give a thank you to

00:46:22.180 everyone who, obviously to those who gave the ultimate sacrifice for our country and our way

00:46:28.440 of life and our liberty, and also to the families who have had to make that sacrifice by the loss of

00:46:33.840 their family members. Memorial Day is one of the strangest holidays because the way we commemorate it

00:46:41.360 is by celebrating and we have backyard barbecues and we eat hot dogs and we drink too much and we go

00:46:46.780 out to the beach and we just have a really nice day. And Memorial Day exists to honor those who

00:46:53.040 made the ultimate sacrifice, who gave their lives for our freedom. And I know a number of gold star

00:47:00.700 families, so I know that Memorial Day for them is not about beers and burgers and going out to the

00:47:05.780 beach. It's a very difficult day for them. I did a play a few years ago. It was a fundraiser for the USO

00:47:12.640 right here in Hollywood. And it was a play about gold star families and people who gave their lives.

00:47:19.180 And one of the, sort of the central figure of this play was a guy named Lance Corporal Corey Ryan

00:47:24.360 Guerin. He was killed in Iraq at the age of 18. Signed up, gave his life for our country and for

00:47:32.960 you and me and for everyone else around the country. And he did it at age 18. And I got to know his

00:47:39.860 family pretty well, wonderful people. Memorial Day is not an easy day for them. It's a really tough

00:47:44.660 day. And so I just want to give a heartfelt thank you as, as we all did enjoy our day yesterday,

00:47:51.260 which, and I guess this is fitting because we get to enjoy those days because there are people who

00:47:56.400 are willing to make those sacrifices for us and to honor their memory. We enjoy ourselves. We have a

00:48:01.880 nice day, but I do want to send, give a heartfelt thank you to all of the gold star families, the ones who

00:48:06.980 are listening to the show and everyone else as well. And, uh, and a heartfelt thank you to everyone

00:48:12.700 who gave their life for me and you and our whole country. That's our show. Come back tomorrow. Got a

00:48:17.340 lot more to get to in the meantime, I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles show. I'll see you

00:48:20.880 then. The Michael Knowles show is produced by Rebecca Dobkowitz and directed by Mike Joyner,

00:48:30.980 executive producer, Jeremy Boring, senior producer, Jonathan Hay. Our supervising producer is

00:48:36.560 Mathis Glover and our technical producer is Austin Stevens. Edited by Danny D'Amico. Audio is mixed by

00:48:42.320 Dylan Case. Hair and makeup is by Jesua Olvera. And our production assistant is Nick Sheehan. The

00:48:47.620 Michael Knowles show is a Daily Wire production. Copyright Daily Wire 2019. Today on the Ben Shapiro

00:48:53.280 show, president Trump slams Joe Biden by citing the world's worst dictator and integrate strategy.

00:48:57.580 That's today on the Ben Shapiro show.

The Michael Knowles Show - May 28, 2019

Ep. 355 - Fake News： From Feminism To Foreign Policy

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