The Michael Knowles Show - May 30, 2019


Ep. 356 - Mueller’s Campaign To Get Trump Impeached


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Former FBI Director Robert Mueller is on a warpath to get Congress to impeach President Donald Trump. Is it time to call in the cavalry? Or is it time for the White House to get a grip on the situation?

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00:00:00.000 Bob Mueller won't go away and Joe Biden can't be found.
00:00:03.240 We will analyze the former special counsel's campaign to get Congress to impeach Donald Trump.
00:00:09.380 Then we will try to locate the elusive 2020 presidential candidate.
00:00:13.720 A maniac lights himself on fire outside the White House to protest President Trump.
00:00:17.800 New York Magazine marvels that ugly guys want to look better to get laid.
00:00:22.000 And a conservative writer opens a massive debate and very important debate on what exactly we mean by conservatism.
00:00:28.680 Finally, The Mailbag. I'm Michael Knowles and this is The Michael Knowles Show.
00:00:39.140 We have an inordinate amount of things to get to today.
00:00:44.600 Not the least of which is the former special counsel, Bob Mueller, basically teeing up a campaign for Congress to impeach Trump.
00:00:52.400 Totally showing his partisan cards.
00:00:54.280 Totally and finally showing he's not acting in good faith, even though a lot of us gave him the benefit of the doubt.
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00:02:40.800 All right, Bob Mueller, I can't defend him at all anymore.
00:02:43.500 I tried to be fair.
00:02:44.320 I tried to be balanced.
00:02:45.260 I tried to say maybe he's not a partisan hack.
00:02:47.780 He is.
00:02:48.280 He showed his partisan cards.
00:02:49.740 It was unnecessary and unfortunate yesterday.
00:02:53.100 The former special counsel, before he finally left, he held a big press conference to try to frame President Trump as a sort of criminal,
00:03:04.380 to try to frame what will happen now politically in Congress as the Congress considers impeachment.
00:03:12.720 Here is the key part of the press conference.
00:03:15.080 After that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so.
00:03:24.860 We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime.
00:03:30.300 The introduction to the volume two of our report explains that decision.
00:03:35.740 It explains that under long-standing department policy, a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office.
00:03:46.600 That is unconstitutional.
00:03:48.800 Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view, that, too, is prohibited.
00:03:56.300 The special counsel's office is part of the Department of Justice, and by regulation, it was bound by that department policy.
00:04:04.000 Charging the president with a crime was, therefore, not an option we could consider.
00:04:11.620 The department's written opinion explaining the policy makes several important points that further informed our handling of the obstruction investigation.
00:04:21.620 What Mueller did here is so, so wrong.
00:04:26.140 It is so beyond the scope of his job.
00:04:30.080 It is so wrong to politicize the federal government in this way.
00:04:34.500 So what exactly did he do?
00:04:35.840 The key takeaway, the big line from this press conference is that Mueller is not, quote,
00:04:40.920 confident that the president clearly did not commit a crime.
00:04:45.520 Since when has that been the standard of justice in this country?
00:04:50.560 Since when has that been the standard of innocence or guilt?
00:04:54.060 In this country, typically, we would say that you are innocent until proven guilty.
00:04:59.880 Now, according to Bob Mueller, you are guilty until he is confident that you clearly did not commit a crime.
00:05:07.980 That's the implication here.
00:05:09.380 Bob Mueller is not confident that the president did not clearly commit a crime.
00:05:16.460 Okay, so did he commit a crime?
00:05:18.900 Well, no, no, we're not going to conclude that.
00:05:22.340 So you're not saying he committed a crime.
00:05:24.220 Right, I'm not saying he committed a crime.
00:05:26.740 So then you're saying there's, there's no actionable evidence that he committed a crime.
00:05:30.760 Well, yeah, but I'm not confident that he didn't clearly commit a crime,
00:05:35.800 that he clearly did not commit a crime.
00:05:37.160 What is this all about?
00:05:40.560 Now, his defense here, he comes on and says that under DOJ guidelines, he can't indict the president.
00:05:48.460 Okay, so then why was he investigating this obstruction in the first place?
00:05:53.420 Why did he write 200 pages about obstruction in the first place?
00:05:57.680 And I know this is very confusing.
00:05:59.560 It's gone on for years now.
00:06:01.020 We hear about the Mueller investigation, the Russia, the collusion.
00:06:03.700 What was Bob Mueller tasked with doing in the first place?
00:06:09.420 The entire reason that Bob Mueller was appointed, the entire reason he has this investigation,
00:06:14.120 is to determine the extent of Russian interference in the 2016 election, which he did, by the way.
00:06:20.920 He indicted a bunch of Russians.
00:06:22.440 He found certain companies in Russia that were working to shift the balance of the 2016 election,
00:06:27.860 actually working for multiple candidates, or working, rather, to advance multiple candidates.
00:06:34.220 So his job was to identify Russian interference.
00:06:37.660 He says explicitly he is not allowed to indict a sitting president.
00:06:42.440 So if he's not allowed to do that, then he's not going to conclude that a president committed a crime.
00:06:48.740 So then, really, he shouldn't have been investigating this in the first place.
00:06:52.120 He overstepped the bounds of his office.
00:06:57.660 Why did he investigate obstruction if he couldn't do anything with it?
00:07:01.600 He investigated obstruction because he hates Donald Trump, and he really wishes that Donald Trump didn't win in 2016,
00:07:09.280 and he wants to do the work of congressional Democrats for them to help them impeach him.
00:07:17.540 What else could it have been?
00:07:20.260 What else could he have been doing?
00:07:23.280 He can't take any action, even if he did find sufficient evidence of the crime of collusion,
00:07:28.360 which, by the way, the Attorney General, William Barr, and the Deputy Attorney General, Rod Rosenstein,
00:07:34.560 did not find evidence of obstruction.
00:07:37.800 They did not find sufficient evidence of obstruction to act.
00:07:42.780 So, even on that front, they declared, the DOJ declared, there wasn't sufficient evidence.
00:07:50.000 Now, what really happened here?
00:07:53.120 Mueller punted on the question of obstruction.
00:07:54.980 Then, the Attorney General and the Deputy Attorney General came to the conclusion, as was their job,
00:08:02.220 and the conclusion they came to was that there was not sufficient evidence of obstruction.
00:08:06.700 Some people are saying, well, why didn't they leave the question open?
00:08:10.000 Because the Department of Justice is not a freshman seminar at a college in the middle of America.
00:08:15.700 The purpose of the Department of Justice is not to foster intellectual debate and engage in hypotheticals
00:08:22.660 and just leave questions out there, and you can form your own conclusions.
00:08:26.600 The Department of Justice is the Department of Justice.
00:08:30.040 It is there to prosecute.
00:08:31.680 It is there to effect justice.
00:08:33.780 You don't get to just leave academic questions hanging in the air.
00:08:37.200 You have to come to a conclusion.
00:08:38.880 So, they came to the conclusion, and Bob Mueller is really upset that the report that he gave out
00:08:44.680 did not have the political effect that he obviously wanted, which was to hurt the president.
00:08:50.040 So, then what did he do?
00:08:51.520 He wrote a letter.
00:08:53.300 He wrote an angry letter to William Barr saying, you misrepresented what my report said.
00:08:58.800 So, Barr called him.
00:08:59.800 He said, Bob, why the fancy letter?
00:09:01.400 If you had a problem, why not just call me?
00:09:04.040 What was your problem with the, because what Mueller was saying is that Barr misrepresented
00:09:08.640 what Mueller said in the report.
00:09:11.020 Well, the report's out there.
00:09:12.080 You can read the report yourself.
00:09:13.200 I've read the report.
00:09:14.280 Many other people have read the report.
00:09:17.400 What did the report say?
00:09:18.560 Did Barr misrepresent it?
00:09:20.200 No.
00:09:21.320 In that first letter, you'll remember, when the Mueller report came in, William Barr clearly
00:09:26.200 said that Mueller did not exonerate Trump on obstruction one way or the other.
00:09:31.660 He did not come to a conclusion one way or the other.
00:09:36.260 There was no new information in this press conference.
00:09:40.480 This press conference, the only headline, the only thing that Mueller was trying to say
00:09:44.800 is that if I had found, if I was fully convinced that President Trump did not commit the crime
00:09:50.480 of obstruction, I would have said so.
00:09:53.920 Right.
00:09:54.440 You said that in the report.
00:09:55.520 We all read it.
00:09:56.140 Not only did you say it in the report weeks ago, William Barr quoted you as saying that
00:10:00.920 in his first letter on the subject weeks ago.
00:10:03.700 There was no news.
00:10:05.520 Bob Mueller is just angry and petulant because the report didn't begin the end of the Trump
00:10:11.100 administration.
00:10:12.080 And so he's trying to egg Congress along to impeach him.
00:10:15.760 President Trump, for his part, responded in a typically Trumpian way.
00:10:19.460 He made some great points and then he made some what seemed to be very unhelpful points
00:10:24.480 on an impromptu press conference.
00:10:27.240 I think he's totally conflicted because, as you know, he wanted to be the FBI director
00:10:32.320 and I said no.
00:10:33.680 As you know, I had a business dispute with him.
00:10:35.860 After he left the FBI, we had a business dispute.
00:10:38.940 Not a nice one.
00:10:40.300 He wasn't happy with what I did.
00:10:43.040 And I don't blame him, but I had to do it because that was the right thing to do.
00:10:47.780 But I had a business dispute.
00:10:49.820 And he loves Comey.
00:10:52.080 You look at the relationship that those two.
00:10:55.220 So whether it's love or a deep like, but he should.
00:10:58.640 He was conflicted.
00:11:00.280 Look, Robert Mueller should have never been chosen because he wanted the FBI job and he
00:11:06.620 didn't get it.
00:11:07.320 And the next day, he was picked as special counsel.
00:11:10.680 So you tell somebody, I'm sorry, you can't have the job.
00:11:14.600 And then after you say that, he's going to make a ruling on you.
00:11:17.800 It doesn't work that way.
00:11:19.040 Plus, we had a business dispute.
00:11:20.840 Plus, his relationship with Comey was extraordinary.
00:11:25.200 So what is President Trump doing here?
00:11:26.940 He is reaching into a pot on the stove and he is pulling out a big handful of spaghetti
00:11:32.880 and he is throwing it at the wall.
00:11:34.760 He is giving a bunch of facts about Robert Mueller that apparently have no bearing on
00:11:41.560 the question.
00:11:42.040 But he's just doing it to create the sense that Mueller was always compromised, which,
00:11:47.520 by the way, is true, just not for the reasons that President Trump says.
00:11:50.700 So President Trump says that Comey, that Mueller rather wanted the FBI director job.
00:11:56.820 Maybe he did.
00:11:57.660 He did meet with President Trump.
00:11:59.100 So it's very possible that he did.
00:12:01.140 He then says that's the reason why he shouldn't have been appointed.
00:12:03.440 I don't know about that.
00:12:04.820 Then he says they were in a business dispute.
00:12:06.460 I don't know the nature of the business dispute, but okay, well, what does that mean?
00:12:10.500 Then he says he really likes James Comey.
00:12:12.180 It does appear that he had a very good relationship with James Comey.
00:12:15.340 Okay, fine.
00:12:16.160 But he's throwing all these things out there.
00:12:18.300 Which one is it that actually shows why Bob Mueller was unfit for this job?
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00:14:17.340 Okay, so President Trump throws spaghetti at the wall because of, because, legitimately because of this outrageous press conference from Bob Mueller.
00:14:26.520 Then he comes to the better point in his response eventually.
00:14:31.180 I think he is a total conflicted person.
00:14:34.780 I think Mueller is a true never-Trumper.
00:14:38.940 He's somebody that dislikes Donald Trump.
00:14:41.240 He's somebody that didn't get a job that he requested that he wanted very badly, and then he was appointed.
00:14:47.340 And despite that, and despite $40 million, 18 Trump haters, including people that work for Hillary Clinton and some of the worst human beings on earth, they got nothing.
00:15:00.720 It's pretty amazing.
00:15:01.860 This is it.
00:15:03.800 I love that he calls them some of the worst human beings on earth.
00:15:07.600 Fair enough, you know.
00:15:09.580 That's the real point.
00:15:11.560 Bob Mueller, in his actions, appears to be a committed never-Trumper.
00:15:16.500 Not a guy who had issues with Trump.
00:15:18.500 Maybe he voted for him, maybe he didn't, but, you know, okay, he moves on.
00:15:21.020 This is a guy who staffed his investigation with people committed to overturning the 2016 election, with people where we found their text messages, and they say, we're going to cheat.
00:15:33.220 We're going to use the power of the state.
00:15:34.680 We are going to rig everything to stop Trump from being elected president.
00:15:38.620 That is the problem.
00:15:40.520 That is why he was compromised.
00:15:42.220 That's why this investigation was compromised.
00:15:44.300 We have tried to be fair to him.
00:15:46.320 We have tried to give him the benefit of the doubt.
00:15:48.220 This press conference, I think, totally blew that out of the water.
00:15:51.660 And I'm not alone in thinking this.
00:15:53.700 Some of the greatest legal minds in the country agree with this.
00:15:56.300 Not just committed Republicans, but people who have been lifelong Democrats, lifelong civil libertarians, guys like our friend Alan Dershowitz.
00:16:04.980 Alan Dershowitz wrote out, quote,
00:16:07.500 Until today, I've defended Mueller against the accusations that he's a partisan.
00:16:11.540 I did not believe that he personally favored either the Democrats or the Republicans, or had a point of view on whether President Trump should be impeached.
00:16:18.820 But I have now changed my mind by putting his thumb, indeed his elbow, on the scale of justice in favor of impeachment, based on obstruction of justice.
00:16:27.360 Mueller has revealed his partisan bias.
00:16:30.260 He has distorted the critical role of a prosecutor in our justice system.
00:16:34.420 Exactly right.
00:16:35.640 People all the time complain about Donald Trump undermining our institutions, our political process.
00:16:43.480 No.
00:16:44.080 People who staff absurd investigations with committed never-Trumpers and committed partisans who brag about using the levers of power in the federal government to overturn a presidential election.
00:16:56.500 Those are the guys undermining our institutions.
00:16:59.080 Those are the guys who are undermining our political processes.
00:17:02.060 Much more so, and much more egregiously with Donald Trump.
00:17:06.020 At least Donald Trump, when he exaggerates, when he says things that aren't true, when he boasts, when he brags, when he goes all the way out there, at least you know what you're getting.
00:17:18.140 At least he's sort of honest about it.
00:17:20.780 But these guys, Robert Mueller, unimpeachable, the most serious, respectable man in the country.
00:17:27.540 He wears his tie all nice.
00:17:29.380 He has a very serious face.
00:17:31.900 He has worked in the federal government his whole life.
00:17:34.900 And then he staffs his entire investigation with partisans and people who are committed to overturning the election.
00:17:40.920 And then when he doesn't get his political way, he hosts an outrageous press conference that just reiterates his points and eggs on Congress to impeach.
00:17:48.560 That's the guy, that's the problem.
00:17:51.220 Because he's not honest about it.
00:17:52.560 He's not honest about his goals.
00:17:54.740 Same thing with the people that he staffed.
00:17:56.880 Same thing with the people egging him on.
00:17:58.760 That's the real problem.
00:18:00.780 After this press conference, it's very hard to conclude that Bob Mueller has been acting in good faith.
00:18:06.700 Now, you would say, why did he hold the press conference?
00:18:09.180 Maybe he did it as a last word because he doesn't want to testify before Congress, because he doesn't want to inject himself into politics.
00:18:16.360 If that were true, he could have just written another letter.
00:18:20.740 If that were true, if what he said there is true, this is my final statement and my Mueller report is my testimony.
00:18:28.680 If that were true, he could have written that in a letter.
00:18:31.200 He could have texted it.
00:18:33.420 He could have done anything other than hold this press conference and all but beg Congress to impeach.
00:18:38.960 Maybe he thinks William Barr misrepresented his findings.
00:18:41.920 Well, except that Mueller didn't say anything in that press conference that Barr didn't write in his report about the report.
00:18:49.900 He's campaigning to get Congress to impeach.
00:18:52.100 He's politicizing what is supposed to be the least political office in the federal government.
00:18:57.040 And it's too bad.
00:18:58.140 At least one man, though, was even less in control of his emotions than Bob Mueller was yesterday.
00:19:02.900 For those watching, this is a little hard to watch.
00:19:05.760 A man set himself on fire outside the White House to protest President Trump.
00:19:11.680 Dude, what the f***?
00:19:13.920 That's not a stunt.
00:19:16.340 Where are the police?
00:19:17.500 Dude, that's not a f***ing stunt.
00:19:18.900 This guy's killing me.
00:19:19.900 He's burned himself alive.
00:19:22.060 What the f***?
00:19:24.020 It's the police.
00:19:25.140 No, he doesn't.
00:19:25.960 Stop.
00:19:26.360 Like, get your head out of your f***.
00:19:31.220 I don't understand why you guys want to be like the stupidest thing.
00:19:33.920 Why are you being a f***er?
00:19:35.260 Get back.
00:19:36.400 He's going to f***.
00:19:37.060 Yeah.
00:19:37.280 What the f***?
00:19:46.140 First responders extinguished him.
00:19:48.520 They took him to the hospital.
00:19:49.640 Very sadly, the man died.
00:19:51.520 The reason I bring it up at all is because of the reaction to it.
00:19:57.020 There were a lot of people on Twitter calling him brave.
00:19:59.920 Saying, this is so brave.
00:20:01.240 This is, wow, look at this brave and courageous man setting himself.
00:20:04.420 There's nothing brave about this.
00:20:05.680 This is mental illness.
00:20:07.900 What you're looking at is mental illness.
00:20:09.340 33-year-old Arnav Gupta.
00:20:11.420 He's from Bethesda, Maryland.
00:20:12.980 He had been reported missing earlier in the day by his family,
00:20:16.160 who said that they were concerned for his physical and emotional welfare.
00:20:21.320 He then went out, lit himself on fire, and killed himself.
00:20:23.760 He committed suicide.
00:20:25.500 And some people are calling him brave for this.
00:20:29.540 This is mental illness.
00:20:31.240 No one should call it brave.
00:20:32.480 I'm certain the guy had underlying madness, and I'm certain that that madness was exacerbated by hysteria about the president.
00:20:42.220 By hysteria that the president is a fascist, murderer, genocidal, racist, stooge of Russia. 0.90
00:20:49.040 He's destroying the whole world.
00:20:51.080 Because of that hysteria, it would appear that his mental illness got worse.
00:20:59.300 I'm not blaming the media outlets that fanned the flames of that hysteria and the political activists who fanned the flames of that hysteria.
00:21:06.900 I'm not blaming them for his death.
00:21:08.880 But it is undeniably, it seems, the case that that climate, that hysteria, contributed to this mental illness,
00:21:17.340 which should raise questions for us about how we discuss this president.
00:21:23.640 You can be vigorously critical, absolutely, but some of the excesses that we've seen for two years seem to be just that.
00:21:32.160 They seem to be excessive.
00:21:33.480 However, what people do have responsibility for is their reaction to this.
00:21:37.980 There's nothing brave about what he did.
00:21:39.620 There's nothing courageous about what he did.
00:21:41.380 There's nothing to be encouraged about what he did.
00:21:44.180 It's mental illness.
00:21:45.280 We should pray for the guy.
00:21:46.860 We should pray for his family.
00:21:48.300 It's awful.
00:21:49.400 And we should, hopefully, in all the smoke of this guy going up in flames,
00:21:53.240 we should try to see politics with a little clarity and blow away the fogs of hysteria.
00:22:01.160 Speaking of clarity and hysteria, there is a major news story in New York Magazine about incels.
00:22:10.440 I don't know if you've heard about incels.
00:22:11.920 Incels are the involuntarily celibate. 0.98
00:22:14.800 It's a phrase referring to guys who are ugly and they can't get laid, and as a result, they hate women.
00:22:23.100 And now this story is that they are getting plastic surgery to make themselves look better.
00:22:27.920 So the opposite of an incel in this culture is a chad. 0.94
00:22:31.820 That's their word for guys who look good.
00:22:34.360 It's chads.
00:22:35.220 And New York Magazine has this headline.
00:22:36.780 How many bones would you break to get laid? 0.95
00:22:39.780 The article begins,
00:22:41.040 Incels are going under the knife to reshape their faces and their dating prospects.
00:22:45.260 The posters called themselves incels, short for involuntarily celibate.
00:22:48.500 On one forum where a commenter Truth4Lie posted, it's Lookism, which succeeded a forum called Slut Hate. 0.51
00:22:56.880 There were 10,000 registered users.
00:22:58.840 They were on other websites too.
00:23:00.820 Although it's impossible to know who was posting on multiple accounts.
00:23:04.360 Incels called women like the one Truth4Lie had hired Stacey's. 0.87
00:23:08.860 Alpha men had a name too.
00:23:10.220 They were called chads.
00:23:11.640 So this is this culture they're describing.
00:23:13.540 Pretty bizarre culture, obviously.
00:23:14.880 But I just want to point out this headline.
00:23:17.560 How many bones would you break to get laid? 0.95
00:23:20.140 New York Magazine is just viciously mocking these guys, even in the headline,
00:23:24.920 because they're getting plastic surgery to look better.
00:23:27.960 Okay.
00:23:29.540 Perfectly fair to criticize people who get cosmetic surgery just to look a little bit nicer.
00:23:35.780 Would you use that same headline to talk about a girl who gets a nose job? 0.98
00:23:40.260 I don't remember New York Magazine saying,
00:23:42.060 How many bones would you break to get laid, ladies? 1.00
00:23:45.360 These desperate women with big noses are getting nose jobs. 1.00
00:23:48.940 And breast augmentation. 0.99
00:23:50.700 What a bunch of weird losers.
00:23:52.440 That's a little bit of a double standard here.
00:23:54.440 Now, obviously, these incel guys are lunatics as well, and they should shake out of it.
00:23:59.780 They go on.
00:24:01.700 The article writes,
00:24:02.620 So, obviously, a lot of this culture, I think, is trolling.
00:24:32.440 Like, everything on the internet, it's trolling.
00:24:34.760 They're exaggerating.
00:24:35.860 They're using these kind of terms in an ironic way.
00:24:38.440 They're using memes in an ironic way.
00:24:40.880 I suspect they're even using misogyny in an ironic way lots of the time.
00:24:45.400 However, if you live in irony, if you are being ironic all of the time,
00:24:49.800 then there's no such thing as irony.
00:24:51.840 That's just what you're doing.
00:24:53.260 If you troll all of the time, that's just who you are.
00:24:57.440 You just have become the troll.
00:24:58.920 You have become Pepe the Frog.
00:25:01.360 And the issue here, too, with incel culture is the same poison that is affecting all of the culture, 1.00
00:25:10.560 which is materialism, which is that we are just our bodies,
00:25:15.240 that our physical features are—that's all that we are.
00:25:18.640 That's all that make us up.
00:25:19.600 And, therefore, we can hopefully try to change them forever and make them better.
00:25:24.840 Now, what these guys seem to miss, they say if you're ugly, you're not ever going to have sex with a woman. 0.84
00:25:29.900 I know—I personally know ugly rich guys who sleep with beautiful women all the time. 1.00
00:25:36.080 It's this—I don't know why.
00:25:37.520 It's something—there's something very physically attractive about a wad of cash in somebody's pocket.
00:25:41.740 People who are very successful, people who have good careers, people who get famous,
00:25:46.400 even if they're ugly, even if they're not that rich.
00:25:48.640 There are other shallow attributes that also attract women. 0.96
00:25:52.760 So I think the premise of incel culture, that if you're ugly, you're never going to sleep with a woman, 0.50
00:25:58.120 that premise is demonstrably false.
00:26:00.920 And the bigger problem and the topic of this essay is a major problem in our culture.
00:26:08.420 The idea that we are just our physical bodies and further the idea that we can just endlessly change ourselves,
00:26:18.860 endlessly augment our physicality, and that will somehow make us feel better.
00:26:23.140 That will somehow make us have a better life.
00:26:25.600 This is the same logic of transgenderism. 0.96
00:26:28.280 It's exactly the same logic.
00:26:30.000 It's the same logic that tells us that we can not only define ourselves,
00:26:38.020 we can thereby define reality by chopping off this part of us or re-changing this part or breaking this bone.
00:26:44.340 And that is not true.
00:26:46.180 And this actually ties in to a major political story on the right today,
00:26:52.680 which is a big debate that has broken out between traditionalist conservatives and more classically liberal conservatives.
00:27:01.480 Can you take liberty to its logical conclusion forever and redefine everything and just maximize individual autonomy?
00:27:08.300 Or is there something that restrains us, something that holds us back?
00:27:13.060 Morality, religion, culture.
00:27:15.020 We'll get to that in a second.
00:27:15.800 But first, plus we'll get to the mailbag.
00:27:17.880 First, you've got to go to dailywire.com.
00:27:19.260 You get everything.
00:27:19.860 You get the whole Daily Wire crew, me, Ben Shapiro, Andrew Klavan, Matt Walsh, Another Kingdom,
00:27:24.500 Questions in the Mailbag, Questions Backstage, and the Leftist Tears Tumblr.
00:27:27.700 But you've got to go to dailywire.com.
00:27:29.760 Be right back.
00:27:30.320 We've got a lot more.
00:27:41.880 All right.
00:27:43.040 Before we get to the mailbag, before we get to questions of the rift in the conservative movement,
00:27:47.980 we have got to find out where Joe Biden is.
00:27:52.900 Has anybody seen Joe Biden?
00:27:54.680 Has Joe Biden, or should we file a missing persons report for Joe Biden?
00:27:58.060 He didn't participate in any Memorial Day ceremonies on Monday.
00:28:02.340 This is one of the biggest campaign events of the campaign season, going to a Memorial Day ceremony.
00:28:07.100 Pete and Bernie were in New Hampshire.
00:28:08.540 Amy Klobuchar was in Minneapolis.
00:28:10.480 Elizabeth Warren was in Iowa.
00:28:11.800 Kamala did a video on Memorial Day.
00:28:14.200 Biden, nowhere to be found.
00:28:15.420 Why not?
00:28:16.480 Because Joe Biden thinks he's going to get the nomination by default.
00:28:21.840 Joe Biden thinks he's pulling way ahead of everybody.
00:28:24.600 15 points ahead of Bernie.
00:28:26.700 He's 30 points ahead of other competitors.
00:28:29.400 He's killing it in the race right now.
00:28:31.400 So he says, the best way that I can maintain that lead is by pulling back.
00:28:37.400 Is by not showing myself.
00:28:40.920 Why?
00:28:41.400 Because Joe Biden is the most gaffe-prone politician in the entire country.
00:28:47.400 So for Joe Biden, being in public is a liability.
00:28:51.980 For most politicians, being in public is helpful.
00:28:54.700 When Pete Buttigieg goes on TV, people like him more.
00:28:57.640 He gets more name recognition.
00:28:58.860 He does better.
00:28:59.920 For Joe Biden, people like him the most that they will ever like him right now.
00:29:04.060 When he opens his mouth, when he talks, when he acts in public, people like him less.
00:29:09.120 So he's trying to hide.
00:29:10.380 This is very difficult for him.
00:29:14.140 I can't remember anyone who just got the nomination by playing it really safe and hiding out.
00:29:20.520 Which president did that happen to?
00:29:21.980 Obviously not Donald Trump.
00:29:23.960 Obviously not Barack Obama.
00:29:25.440 Certainly not George W. Bush.
00:29:26.840 Not Bill Clinton.
00:29:28.500 This doesn't work.
00:29:29.760 You've got to go for it.
00:29:30.880 You've got to grab hold of something.
00:29:32.520 You have to offer people something.
00:29:34.160 If you are the liability, how do you expect to get the nomination?
00:29:39.020 I know that Joe Biden has a big lead right now.
00:29:41.180 We haven't even had the first debate.
00:29:44.980 He's going to have to open his mouth eventually.
00:29:47.260 Better to go on the offense.
00:29:48.900 Better to define yourself.
00:29:51.100 And if you being in public is the big liability, presidents have to be in public.
00:29:56.680 Presidential candidates need to be in public a lot.
00:29:58.840 That's probably not going to work out very well for him.
00:30:01.360 We have an enormous debate opening up on the right between traditional conservatives, social conservatives, I guess you would say, and classical liberals.
00:30:12.260 The people who believe that the most important thing, the main thing that matters is individual liberty, maximizing individual liberty.
00:30:22.180 Unfortunately, we don't have time to get to it today.
00:30:23.800 So we're going to have to get to that tomorrow.
00:30:25.100 Tune back and we will discuss it because it's a very important debate and people are taking very strong sides and we'll try to analyze what it really means.
00:30:33.860 Today, however, we don't have time for that because we have to get to the mailbag.
00:30:37.780 So let's get to it.
00:30:39.340 Let's get through as many as we can.
00:30:40.440 From Michael.
00:30:41.240 Great name.
00:30:42.120 Hello, Michael.
00:30:42.940 I, too, am a fellow Michael.
00:30:44.440 What are your thoughts about men wearing earrings in professional settings?
00:30:48.560 I appreciate your thoughts.
00:30:49.760 If you are a rock musician or a pirate, you can wear earrings in a professional setting.
00:30:57.800 If you are a man in any other profession, you cannot wear an earring in the office or anywhere else.
00:31:05.220 From Michael.
00:31:06.360 Also Michael.
00:31:07.140 Hi, Michael.
00:31:07.620 I'm wondering about your thoughts on why most of the prominent Democrats happen to be baby boomers.
00:31:13.000 Does this bode well for the Democratic Party?
00:31:15.160 No, that doesn't bode well at all for them.
00:31:19.820 I have noticed this.
00:31:20.780 Obviously, Joe Biden is leading the pack right now.
00:31:23.800 Bernie Sanders is right after him.
00:31:25.920 Hillary Clinton is probably the most prominent Democrat in the country.
00:31:29.800 They're boomers. 0.99
00:31:30.580 That's true.
00:31:31.720 And I think the reason why boomers are trending Democratic is because the Democratic Party is embracing past ideas, old ideas, 0.64
00:31:43.820 ideas that have been rejected.
00:31:45.760 The baby boomers were the hippies, right? 0.99
00:31:48.540 They grew up.
00:31:49.240 They sort of became the hippies.
00:31:51.160 And they broke down so many cultural institutions.
00:31:55.500 I know it's nostalgic to look back and say, oh, the past used to be better and now it's much worse.
00:32:01.080 Something really did change in the late 1960s and 70s and then up through the 80s.
00:32:06.400 Something really fundamentally cracked in the culture.
00:32:09.560 And this had a lot to do with the rise of second wave feminism, had a lot to do with the sexual revolution, 1.00
00:32:16.460 had a lot to do with the cultural revolutions that happened not just in the U.S. but all around the world.
00:32:21.600 And what it led to was an acceleration away from traditional culture.
00:32:26.360 So you saw on university campuses, hollowing out of the curriculum, saying, hey, hey, ho, ho, Western Civ has got to go as they marched through the campuses.
00:32:35.940 Sitting in, shutting down classrooms.
00:32:38.080 It was the left's long march through the institutions.
00:32:40.920 Hollywood basically falls apart in the 1960s and 1970s.
00:32:44.400 All the great old movies gone.
00:32:46.520 Now movies have an explicitly leftist political agenda and almost a uniformly leftist political agenda.
00:32:53.200 It's all just about deconstruction, breaking down.
00:32:57.720 That's what has defined the baby boomers. 0.91
00:33:00.940 That is what now defines the Democratic Party.
00:33:04.580 And so even young Democrats have embraced these sorts of ideologies.
00:33:09.180 I think that's why you see it there.
00:33:11.000 And the alternative is the opposite of destruction.
00:33:15.100 It's conservatism and it's building things back up and it's hearkening back to our traditions,
00:33:20.180 our political, cultural, and religious traditions.
00:33:23.200 Hope that answers it.
00:33:24.440 From Michael, another Michael.
00:33:27.000 Goodness gracious.
00:33:28.020 Hello, Michael.
00:33:28.640 I have recently had an argument thrown at me against abortion that I wonder how you would respond to.
00:33:33.840 The person said that they don't like guns but don't want our right to them taken away.
00:33:38.720 I'm curious how you would respond to this argument.
00:33:41.400 Sincerely, Michael.
00:33:42.040 The idea being, I don't like guns but I don't want people's political right to a gun taken away.
00:33:48.800 Therefore, I don't like abortion but I also don't want people's political right to an abortion taken away.
00:33:55.080 So the difference here, the most basic difference, is that there is a constitutional right to a gun.
00:34:02.800 You have the Second Amendment, the right to keep and bear arms.
00:34:05.380 There is no constitutional right to an abortion.
00:34:07.840 Even the Supreme Court jurists who invented that right in Roe versus Wade more or less admitted that it wasn't in the Constitution.
00:34:17.300 They said, well, maybe you can find it in part in the Ninth Amendment or maybe you can find it in the 14th.
00:34:21.780 It doesn't really matter.
00:34:22.720 Now there's a right to an abortion. 1.00
00:34:25.160 So there is no right.
00:34:27.160 It would be one reason.
00:34:28.280 The other reason is that guns exist to protect life.
00:34:31.800 The purpose of the Second Amendment is to protect your life, your life, your family's life, and your liberty against tyranny.
00:34:39.280 The purpose of abortion is to end life. 0.99
00:34:41.280 It's to kill life.
00:34:43.200 So it's a mother killing her child or an abortion doctor killing a mother's child.
00:34:47.420 The other aspect here is if you're arguing from, say, natural rights, which people do in America a lot, you've got life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
00:34:57.600 So we protect our liberty, of course.
00:35:00.100 Life comes first because without life you can't have liberty.
00:35:02.580 Without liberty you can't have the pursuit of happiness or the pursuit of property.
00:35:09.700 I've never heard that argument before that you bring up.
00:35:12.360 I don't think it has any merit at all, and I think there are a number of ways that you can answer it pretty succinctly.
00:35:17.420 From Joshua, would you say that there is a correlation between not knowing American laws and rights with leaning politically to the left?
00:35:26.400 Absolutely.
00:35:27.240 That is absolutely the case.
00:35:28.780 And you see it not just on a micro level, so individuals who are less aware of our Constitution and our laws and our history lean more left, although they do.
00:35:40.340 You also see this on a social level.
00:35:42.260 So in recent decades, people's knowledge of American history, American civics, American government, has dramatically decreased.
00:35:52.060 Most Americans can't name all three branches of government.
00:35:55.180 Most people can't identify what the First Amendment does.
00:35:58.040 And as that has happened, the country has moved to the left.
00:36:04.000 Even though conservatives and Republicans win some elections here or there, the country and the culture overall has moved to the left.
00:36:11.360 A country cannot be stupid and remain free.
00:36:15.920 A country cannot be ignorant and remain free.
00:36:18.560 And so what the left has done is hollowed out education and hollowed out our own civics and even in our history departments, turned our history against us, rewritten certain aspects of history, deleted whole swaths of history, taken away context from history.
00:36:33.100 And so people graduate ignorant and they become more susceptible to ideologies that are fundamentally un-American.
00:36:39.100 From Cole, hey, Michael, my girlfriend is worried my traditional values will rob her of her autonomy.
00:36:47.100 She holds similar values to me, but we were both raised in San Francisco, so our conservative values have marked us out like black sheep amidst friends.
00:36:55.640 How do I counter the leftist narrative that I am a chauvinist or a misogynist?
00:37:00.160 How do I show I still unequivocally consider my girlfriend equal?
00:37:04.540 Thank you, Cole.
00:37:05.260 Well, the first way is you probably have a better relationship with your girlfriend than most of these lefty friends.
00:37:13.980 That's just going to be my guess.
00:37:15.340 So the best way to show it is to just have a great relationship.
00:37:19.640 And it is certainly the case.
00:37:22.440 I have seen it practically.
00:37:24.200 Personally, I've seen it anecdotally with friends.
00:37:26.440 And statistics socially bear it out.
00:37:28.880 People who are in traditional romantic relationships are much happier.
00:37:34.540 They're much better off.
00:37:35.420 The New York Times had to admit this the other day.
00:37:37.320 The happiest wife in America, the happiest category of wife, are religious conservative wives. 0.63
00:37:44.140 Not religious liberals, not irreligious conservatives, not irreligious.
00:37:48.820 The traditional types, and specifically traditional conservatives, are the happiest wives. 1.00
00:37:54.860 That is one way to do it.
00:37:56.900 The other way is to show that actually feminism is pretty anti-woman, and traditional gender roles are pretty pro-woman. 1.00
00:38:07.240 What do I mean by that?
00:38:08.100 Feminism tells women that the only way that they can be good and valuable and worthwhile is to act more like men. 1.00
00:38:18.580 Dress like men. 0.98
00:38:19.900 Go to the same jobs that men go to. 0.98
00:38:22.380 Engage in the same sort of sexual behavior that men engage in.
00:38:25.460 Take the same attitude towards sex that men do. 0.58
00:38:28.440 Just be like men. 0.99
00:38:29.620 They're saying femininity is valueless, worthless, but masculinity is very valuable, and so women need to be like men. 0.99
00:38:37.900 That's what feminism says. 1.00
00:38:39.800 What traditional gender roles teach is that men and women are spiritually equal, even though they are different and distinct.
00:38:47.240 The most obvious example of this is Adam and Eve.
00:38:51.640 Eve comes from Adam's rib.
00:38:54.100 God reaches into Adam, pulls out his rib, and creates Eve.
00:38:57.580 Eve, this does not make Eve subservient to Adam.
00:39:03.880 This does not make Eve lesser than Adam.
00:39:06.580 If God had pulled out part of Adam's hair from the top of Adam's body, that would make Eve better than Adam. 0.95
00:39:15.140 If God had pulled Eve from his big toe, that would make Eve less than Adam.
00:39:21.640 She pulls Eve, he pulls Eve rather, he pulls her, right from the center of Adam. 0.53
00:39:27.580 That is to say, right in the middle, his rib, woman is spiritually equal to man, albeit different and in different ways. 0.94
00:39:39.820 That's the traditional view.
00:39:41.280 I suspect that's the view you're talking about.
00:39:42.960 That is the far more defensible view of the genders than modern feminism, which is the most anti-woman theory that we've yet devised. 1.00
00:39:56.300 From Ken.
00:39:57.940 How do we keep our cool when dealing with the emotions of the left?
00:40:01.680 I have many friends who base their decisions off of emotions rather than logical reasoning.
00:40:05.720 How does one combat this without getting emotional himself?
00:40:12.000 I talk to left-wingers all the time.
00:40:14.740 I very rarely become emotional because I'm confident in my views and I can defend my views and they can't defend their views.
00:40:22.060 People get emotional in political discussion when they feel that they're wrong.
00:40:26.740 They get emotional in political discussion when they can't quite defend what they're saying.
00:40:32.600 So they get really worked up and they shriek and they yell and they scream no and they wear the pink hats and they do all of that.
00:40:38.760 When you're confident about what you think, you just explain to them why they're wrong.
00:40:43.500 They say, well, what about this?
00:40:44.580 And you say, oh, good point, but this is why that's wrong.
00:40:47.220 Well, but what about this?
00:40:48.340 Okay, fine, good point, but this is why that's wrong.
00:40:50.720 So I rarely get worked up.
00:40:53.020 What's the point of getting worked up emotionally?
00:40:56.420 You can be passionate about what you believe.
00:40:58.880 You can be firm about what you believe, but that's how I would deal with it.
00:41:01.720 The crazier they get, the cooler that you would be because possibly you could convince them,
00:41:06.540 but what you do 99% of the time is you just make them look like complete lunatics and you look like the sane guy.
00:41:12.740 And that helps us win, helps us win the culture and it helps us win elections.
00:41:16.900 From Daniel.
00:41:17.680 Hi, Michael.
00:41:19.180 I'd like to know why the mothers and fathers aren't liable for getting an abortion. 1.00
00:41:24.040 My gut tells me they shouldn't be criminally liable.
00:41:26.780 Only the doctors should be.
00:41:28.280 But what's a good argument for this?
00:41:29.920 Thanks, Daniel.
00:41:31.400 I agree with that.
00:41:32.220 I don't think that mothers who procure abortions should be punished, 0.75
00:41:36.840 even though I do think that doctors who perform abortions should be punished.
00:41:43.840 Why?
00:41:44.280 Because this legal system has told women now for 50 years that they have a constitutional right to get an abortion. 0.99
00:41:53.040 So women have been told for over a generation that they have a legal constitutional right to get an abortion. 0.66
00:41:59.640 They don't, but that's still pretty confusing.
00:42:01.980 The culture has told them that they have a right to get an abortion, 0.98
00:42:06.300 that abortion is not only okay, but that it's a good thing, 0.99
00:42:10.340 that you should shout it from the rooftop, how wonderful that you can shout your abortion. 0.84
00:42:16.380 And on a personal level, women get abortions for a variety of reasons. 1.00
00:42:22.440 One of them is intense pressure.
00:42:24.980 Pressure from their boyfriend or the guy who got him into trouble.
00:42:29.320 Pressure from the culture.
00:42:30.380 Pressure maybe from their parents.
00:42:31.740 Pressure from their schools.
00:42:33.120 They have a lot of pressure to go and kill that baby. 0.95
00:42:37.440 And they've got a lot of rationalizations for why it's not really killing a baby.
00:42:41.740 And it's a really awful thing.
00:42:44.680 I was at Planned Parenthood in Philadelphia at that rally that Matt Walsh put together.
00:42:49.100 I saw a woman walk into Planned Parenthood. 1.00
00:42:51.940 She didn't look happy.
00:42:53.160 She wasn't skipping down the street.
00:42:54.920 She didn't seem excited to go kill her child.
00:42:56.880 She seemed distressed, as well she should be.
00:43:02.240 Because somewhere deep down, her conscience was telling her that she shouldn't kill her baby.
00:43:07.040 But she was distressed.
00:43:08.420 Women are victims of abortion as well. 1.00
00:43:11.720 They live with lifelong regret.
00:43:13.940 I know multiple people who have had abortions.
00:43:16.860 Friends of mine.
00:43:19.760 The ones that we've talked about it, they have immense regret.
00:43:23.380 Jane Roe, the woman who was in the case Roe v. Wade, had immense regret.
00:43:30.180 She actually didn't have an abortion. 1.00
00:43:31.740 She actually had her child.
00:43:33.000 But immense regret.
00:43:34.200 Carried this guilt with her the rest of her life.
00:43:36.220 That she was part of killing all of these babies.
00:43:38.800 Because we know ultimately what it is.
00:43:40.620 It's killing a baby.
00:43:41.780 So I think that conservatives, while eager for justice in the case of abortion,
00:43:46.840 and eager to prevent the deaths of a million babies a year,
00:43:49.280 also, much more than the left, understand human frailty and understand the complexity of the world.
00:43:57.380 And so, if we can stop abortion by, through the mechanisms of the law, as we should, 0.93
00:44:06.080 and punish the people who are removed, who don't have that pressure,
00:44:08.760 who don't face all of those issues.
00:44:10.360 Doctors who should know better.
00:44:11.880 Who took a Hippocratic oath not to harm people.
00:44:15.280 First, do no harm.
00:44:16.220 If we can do it that way, I think that's the wiser way to do it.
00:44:20.220 And ultimately, a just way to do it.
00:44:22.800 From Kendall.
00:44:24.500 Hey Michael, can you weigh in on the argument going on between the more Catholic than Knowles
00:44:30.000 and Matt Walsh combined, So Rob Amari, and Mr. Ivory Tower, David French?
00:44:35.040 It's funny that that question's in there, because that is a story that I wanted to get to today,
00:44:39.720 and will have to get to tomorrow.
00:44:41.700 The debate between So Rob and David French is a debate that has been bubbling among conservatives
00:44:49.580 for 20 years at a very high level, and has really been there the whole time.
00:44:55.440 It's the debate between conservatism, traditionalism, social conservatism, whatever you want to call it,
00:45:02.800 and classical liberalism, or people who trend toward libertarianism,
00:45:08.440 or people who say, hey, hands off, it doesn't matter, everything's neutral, we want pluralism, we want all of it.
00:45:15.600 That's the debate that's happening.
00:45:17.920 The reason the debate is happening now is because both sides came together for 50 years, 40 years, I guess,
00:45:25.440 from William F. Buckley Jr., bringing all of these sides together, the conservative movement after World War II,
00:45:32.860 to fight together against communism, to fight together against the Soviet Union.
00:45:40.220 So you had the conservatives who were mostly upset about atheism in communism,
00:45:44.600 and you had the classical liberals who were mostly upset about the collectivism of communism,
00:45:49.580 and they came together because they had a common enemy.
00:45:52.400 And then after we vanquished that enemy of communism, the two sides broke apart again because they had profound divisions.
00:45:59.640 That's the debate that's being had right now.
00:46:01.440 If I had to choose between the traditionalism of Saurabh Amari and the liberalism, classical liberalism of David French,
00:46:08.740 I would choose the traditionalism of Saurabh. 0.83
00:46:11.240 But the question is complicated, and we will get to that, I guess, tomorrow.
00:46:14.780 How's that for a cliffhanger?
00:46:15.700 In the meantime, I'm Michael Knowles.
00:46:17.140 This is The Michael Knowles Show.
00:46:18.140 I'll see you then.
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00:46:48.980 Hey, everyone.
00:46:50.480 It's Andrew Klavan, host of The Andrew Klavan Show.
00:46:53.440 Once again, an investigator opens his fat mouth hoping to take a shot at Donald Trump,
00:46:58.800 and instead, he blows up the Democrats.
00:47:01.700 Maybe they should appoint a special counsel to investigate how Trump keeps doing that.
00:47:05.800 That's on The Andrew Klavan Show.
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