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00:00:00.000 YouTube has demonetized our pal Stephen Crowder's channel and declared all-out war on conservatives.

00:00:06.780 This is the most significant change in the character of the internet since YouTube first

00:00:11.760 came online 14 years ago. We will examine how conservatives can fight back. Then, coincidentally,

00:00:17.580 one of the OG conservative YouTubers, Zoe Rachel, stops by to discuss how social media has changed,

00:00:23.520 what it looks like moving forward. Finally, the mailbag. I'm Michael Knowles,

00:00:26.420 and this is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:00:30.000 This is being called Vox Adpocalypse because it was brought on by a Vox journalist

00:00:40.620 trying to get YouTube to censor, deplatform, demonetize conservatives. Initially, YouTube

00:00:46.780 said they wouldn't do that. Then they gave way to the mob, and they have done this to Crowder. Crowder

00:00:52.660 has almost 4 million subscribers on YouTube. This is monumental. It means none of us are safe. It

00:00:58.260 means they're going to go after every conservative channel, coincidentally, right before the 2020

00:01:02.460 election. We will explain what it means, what we can do about it, and why we shouldn't sit on the

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00:02:22.020 And then you have YouTube, which is push button, censor conservatives. That's how they're going

00:02:27.300 to do it. YouTube is demonetizing Steven Crowder, who has one of the biggest channels on YouTube

00:02:34.940 for using the words queer and gay to refer to a gay journalist. But we here at the Michael Knowles

00:02:42.460 Show have an even bigger scoop because it turns out that there is another YouTube creator at Vox.com

00:02:48.260 who is referring to a gay journalist with those exact same words. Take a listen.

00:02:54.660 Foxy is calling themselves bare and balanced. It's like me calling myself straight and emotionally

00:03:00.040 stable.

00:03:01.940 Straight people on TV talk about what it was like to be gay. Queer people.

00:03:05.840 Queer people. Queer people. Queer people. Queer people. Cares at all about queer people.

00:03:08.940 Touting out queer creators. Being baited towards queer people. Let's be queer is not an interesting

00:03:13.720 or useful idea. Calling me a let's be queer is not an idea. I'm a queer tree-hugging atheist with

00:03:20.520 immigrant parents. Because like the feeling of being queer in a world that doesn't love queer is

00:03:25.100 as a queer person and also even within queer spaces I am also an advocate. And part of the work as a

00:03:29.300 queer person of color is to be like... I mean it was kind of like growing up queer and being queer

00:03:34.120 and doing like queer activism. I am literally shaking. I can't believe that YouTube would allow

00:03:40.040 such a horrific bigot on their... Oh, excuse me. I'm sorry. I'm hearing right now. Oh, that's

00:03:44.940 Carlos Maza, the Vox journalist who started this whole censorship crusade in the first place.

00:03:50.900 By the way, that clip could go on about seven or eight minutes longer. There is an endless supply

00:03:56.000 of Carlos Maza using the word queer, gay, all of these different words to refer to himself. So when

00:04:02.920 Carlos Maza from Vox.com, a left-wing website, uses exactly the same words that Stephen Crowder

00:04:09.380 used, it's okay. That's fine. That's great. When Stephen Crowder uses those exact same words,

00:04:15.100 he gets demonetized. He is told by YouTube, you can't make any money on here because you have

00:04:20.540 opinions that we don't like. When is YouTube going to demonetize Vox.com for using the exact same words

00:04:27.480 that Stephen Crowder used? I'm not kidding. I'm not just trying to make a point. I think YouTube

00:04:31.980 should demonetize Vox.com. I think YouTube should de-platform Carlos Maza because he's

00:04:37.140 using those exact same words. I'm not making an absurd argument here. YouTube is enforcing

00:04:44.160 some brand new policy that they just wrote yesterday in response to Carlos Maza and Vox.com

00:04:49.360 calling for Crowder to be de-platformed and demonetized. They're enforcing that on Crowder.

00:04:54.240 They have to enforce that on Vox.com. In fact, they should enforce it on everybody who makes

00:04:59.720 any gay joke, who uses the word gay, who uses the word queer, any of them on YouTube. By the way,

00:05:05.800 YouTube uses the word queer because YouTube is now promoting Pride Month and a month to celebrate

00:05:11.200 LGBTQ. Guess what the Q stands for? Stands for queer. They all need to be de-platformed. Their channels need to

00:05:17.900 be deleted. They at least need to be demonetized. Until Vox.com is demonetized, YouTube is taking an obvious

00:05:27.560 bigoted swipe at conservatives. Why is it okay when Vox uses certain words but not okay when Crowder does?

00:05:36.480 Washington Post showed this just yesterday. Washington Post put out an article about this

00:05:40.960 whole controversy. When they described Carlos Maza, they said he is, quote, a video producer for the

00:05:48.140 news site Vox and they described him as a, quote, gay and Latino. Then, two paragraphs later in the

00:05:56.740 article, they criticized Stephen Crowder for referring to Maza as a gay Latino from Vox. So, Washington Post

00:06:05.440 says he's a video producer from the news site Vox and he is gay and Latino. Then Crowder calls him a

00:06:11.740 gay Latino from Vox. That's hateful. Two paragraphs later. What is actually happening here? YouTube has

00:06:18.520 decided to punish the creators that it doesn't like with demonetization. When you post a video to

00:06:25.340 YouTube, you can turn on monetization and then when you get half a million people to watch it, they'll run

00:06:30.720 ads on that video and you can make some money. And that's how YouTube creators sustain themselves

00:06:34.740 online. Now they're going to demonetize them and they're, they're already saying that they're going

00:06:38.500 to deplatform thousands of, of creators that they don't like. YouTube is punishing people, not who

00:06:45.320 violate the rules, but who they just don't like. I'm not exaggerating here. YouTube concluded that

00:06:52.820 Stephen Crowder did not violate their rules. They admitted that in a statement. Then, once they got more

00:06:59.080 pressure from Vox.com, journalists, journalists, quote, unquote, who are trying to censor everybody else

00:07:04.480 from speaking, when they gave into the pressure, they said, all right, Crowder didn't violate the

00:07:10.760 rules, but we're going to demonetize him anyway. This is their Orwellian statement, quote, even if a

00:07:15.920 creator's content doesn't violate our community guidelines, we will take a look at the broader

00:07:20.100 context and impact. And if their behavior is egregious and harms the broader community, we may take action.

00:07:27.440 They said, in the case of Crowder's channel, a thorough review over the weekend found that

00:07:33.100 individually, the flagged videos did not violate our community guidelines. However, in the subsequent

00:07:38.680 days, we saw the widespread harm to the YouTube community. Now listen to that. You see what they're

00:07:44.200 doing? They're once again, as the left always does, conflating speech with violence. They say, look, we have

00:07:49.260 rules against threatening speech, speech that actually could incite violence that is being used to

00:07:54.960 threaten violence. We have rules against that. Crowder didn't violate those rules. But in the broad context

00:08:00.680 of his speech, it's harmful to the YouTube community, quote, resulting from the ongoing pattern of

00:08:06.440 egregious behavior. We took a deeper look and made the decision to suspend monetization. In order to be

00:08:12.920 considered for reinstatement, all relevant issues with the channel need to be addressed, including any

00:08:17.180 videos that violate our policies, as well as things like offensive merchandise. And there, what they're

00:08:22.400 alluding to is, is he has a shirt, which is Che Guevara with a limp wrist, and it says socialism is

00:08:27.580 for figs. And then instead of a letter there between the F and the G, it's a little fig. Coincidentally,

00:08:33.720 Che Guevara was killed in a town called Higuera, which means the fig tree. Just a little extra

00:08:38.540 information on that. YouTube is promising that they will write the rules arbitrarily, because they had

00:08:48.160 rules. When they instituted the rules, they said, here are the rules, don't violate them, we won't kick

00:08:52.240 you off. Crowder doesn't violate them, now they say we're going to kick you off anyway. We're going

00:08:55.620 to demonetize you at least anyway. So it's just YouTube picking winners and losers based on the

00:09:02.380 content, based on the opinions, based on the ideology of the creators that are going out there. How are they

00:09:08.040 going to do this? YouTube is now promising that it will be, quote, removing violative content, content that

00:09:14.220 violates their agreement. They already were doing that. Raising up authoritative content. Okay, let's

00:09:21.740 see what that authoritative content is. Reducing the spread of borderline content, so content that

00:09:26.560 doesn't violate their rules, but they don't like it anyway. And rewarding trusted creators.

00:09:32.980 I wonder who those trusted creators are. I mean, I seem to recall that the Young Turks, a very far left

00:09:38.280 wing channel, would film their shows in YouTube's headquarters, in the YouTube studios. I guess they're

00:09:45.240 trusted. The very far left wing sources are trusted. I don't film in YouTube's headquarters, do I? Stephen

00:09:51.060 Crowder doesn't film in YouTube's. I guess we're not trusted. And they're going to raise up authoritative

00:09:55.240 content. What is authoritative content? Is authoritative content the New York Times? New York Times has botched

00:10:02.460 huge high profile stories over the last three years. CNN botched huge high profile stories.

00:10:07.400 Is it those guys? Something tells me authoritative content isn't the daily wire. But then how are they

00:10:14.360 going to boost that authoritative content? They write, this is YouTube writing quote, if a user is

00:10:20.120 watching a video that comes close to violating our policies, our systems may include more videos

00:10:25.780 from authoritative sources, like top news channels in the Watch Next panel. So let's say that you decide

00:10:33.400 that you're going to watch the Michael Knowles show, Heaven Forfend, and you're watching and you're

00:10:38.060 listening to ideas that are a little more conservative. What YouTube will do then is after

00:10:43.860 that, when you look at the Watch Next channel, all the videos that are suggested next to the page

00:10:47.840 at the end on the screen, you're going to get the New York Times, you're going to get CNN, you're going to

00:10:52.180 get the Young Turks filmed in YouTube studios, you're going to get all this left wing content.

00:10:57.100 What is this about? What's the takeaway? It's a twofold political stunt.

00:11:03.980 Why did Carlos Maza do this now? He said, he said that Crowder's been calling him a lispy queer for

00:11:08.620 years. Maza's been calling himself a queer for years. Why right now? What's because this is Pride

00:11:14.420 Month. Carlos Maza launched this whole crusade on May 30th, two days before the launch of Pride Month.

00:11:21.260 This was not an exasperated emotional reaction to harassment. This was a highly calculated,

00:11:27.920 premeditated attempt to censor conservatives on YouTube and other social media, which are,

00:11:33.420 by the way, the largest public squares in the entire world. Certainly in the country,

00:11:38.680 but in the entire world as well. This was a highly calculated attempt by a highly calculating

00:11:45.420 political operative named Carlos Maza to censor conservatives from the public square.

00:11:50.640 And it has mostly worked, by the way. Good. I mean, you got to, he's a whiny un-American

00:11:55.440 authoritarian, but Carlos Maza is pretty effective. But it's not just launched at the beginning of

00:12:01.100 Pride Month. It's launched at the beginning of the 2020 cycle. It's 2019. The elections are underway.

00:12:06.080 And now the YouTube is going to mobilize to help Democrats unfairly. You know, the left complains

00:12:13.360 about Citizens United, how that Supreme Court decision upheld the corporation's right to donate to

00:12:18.700 political campaigns. They said it was awful. They said corporations aren't people. Corporations

00:12:23.160 can't donate. What is this? What this is, is just one giant, completely unregulated corporate donation

00:12:29.440 to Democrats. They're admitting it. They say they're going to censor conservatives and they're

00:12:33.540 going to help Democrats. At least after Citizens United, other corporations have to disclose their

00:12:39.940 political contributions. Not YouTube. YouTube doesn't have to disclose this. It's a huge,

00:12:44.580 in-kind contribution for Dems during a very contentious election year. So how should conservatives

00:12:49.880 respond? This reopens the same debate between conservatism and classical liberalism or conservative

00:12:56.580 liberalism or whatever that we have been talking about for the past two weeks. Some libertarian,

00:13:02.100 classical liberal types insist that the government should take no action. They say YouTube is a private

00:13:06.580 company. They can kick off whoever they want. It's not the government. No big deal. That's one idea.

00:13:12.180 They're uncomfortable with the government stepping in to regulate social media. Now the less

00:13:17.380 classical liberal, more conservative minded people say absolutely the government should prevent this

00:13:23.860 mass censorship on a national and global scale of conservative ideas. So which is it? Should we say

00:13:30.420 hands off, YouTube can do whatever they want, or should we get involved? This is based on a faulty premise.

00:13:35.520 This is based on the premise that the government right now doesn't already have its finger on the

00:13:39.640 scales. It does. The government is already giving these corporations like YouTube an unfair protection.

00:13:46.740 The law in this country is supposed to treat publishers and platforms differently. Right now,

00:13:53.880 however, the law is treating social media companies like publishers when it suits them and like

00:13:58.720 publishers and like platforms rather when it, when it suits them otherwise. In some cases it's one,

00:14:04.480 in some cases it's the other. This is not exactly on the question of censorship. It's on the question of

00:14:08.880 what these companies are. So at the Daily Wire, we have no obligation to publish views that we

00:14:13.780 disagree with. We do because all of the writers and the hosts, we all disagree with each other all

00:14:18.220 the time. But we don't publish every single opinion in the world. We're not a left-wing news site.

00:14:23.340 We're a conservative news site. We don't need to worry about charges of censorship because we're a

00:14:28.940 publisher. We decide what we want to publish. We pick which stories to run. But since we're a publisher,

00:14:34.600 we have to worry about a lot of other things. Copyright infringement, defamation, libel, IP theft,

00:14:41.900 fair use, all these different things that YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter, all the other social media

00:14:47.120 companies don't have to worry about because they say that they are, they are platforms, not publishers.

00:14:52.680 Sometimes. They say they're just an internet platform which gives them a whole lot of government

00:14:57.580 help, a whole lot of protections. Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996 says,

00:15:04.640 no provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as a publisher or speaker

00:15:09.920 of any information provided by another information content provider. What's the purpose of that? It's so

00:15:15.820 that the internet could grow. And this has led to incredible growth. By protecting tech companies

00:15:21.080 from copyright and other publisher issues, it allowed them not to get totally bogged down

00:15:26.520 and stifled as the internet was growing. It's created billionaires. It's created billion dollar

00:15:30.840 corporations. It has allowed the internet to flourish. Now, those platforms are abusing that protection.

00:15:40.720 The protection that was made to allow the internet to grow, to allow these companies to exist,

00:15:44.920 they are now abusing that protection and behaving as publishers. Obviously, they're choosing

00:15:49.560 what content they want on the platform, what content they don't. Not just YouTube. It's all of big tech

00:15:54.000 trying to have it both ways. Here is Mark Zuckerberg trying to say, on the one hand, he's a CEO of a

00:16:02.060 social media platform. You said you are responsible for your content. So which are you? Are you a tech

00:16:09.700 company? Are you the world's largest publisher? Because I think that goes to a really important

00:16:16.000 question on what form of regulation or government action, if any, we would take.

00:16:22.940 Senator, this is a really big question. I view us as a tech company because the primary thing that

00:16:29.560 we do is build technology and products. But you said you're responsible for your content, which makes you kind of a publisher, right?

00:16:34.860 Well, I agree that we're responsible for the content, but we don't produce the content. I think

00:16:41.120 that when people ask us if we're a media company or a publisher, my understanding of what the heart

00:16:46.540 of what they're really getting at is, do we feel a responsibility for the content on our platform?

00:16:51.100 The answer to that, I think, is clearly yes. But I don't think that that's incompatible with

00:16:56.380 fundamentally at our core being a technology company where the main thing that we do is have

00:17:00.980 engineers and build products. Right. Okay. So he's saying we are primarily an open platform.

00:17:08.600 However, while they were fighting a lawsuit in California last July, Facebook claimed that they

00:17:12.900 were a publisher. Facebook was being sued by a tech startup that was told they were developing apps

00:17:19.140 with Facebook. And the premise was they would be able to use the data from Facebook to develop the

00:17:24.500 apps. Then Facebook pulled the data from the apps and they sued them. The lawyer for Facebook,

00:17:29.960 Sonal Mehta, said, quote, the publisher discretion is a free speech right, irrespective

00:17:36.380 of what technological means is used. A newspaper has a publisher function when they are doing it on

00:17:42.260 their website, in a printed copy or through news alerts. So he said they're a publisher. He then said

00:17:50.300 that decisions about data were a, quote, quintessential publisher function and constituted

00:17:54.960 protective activity, adding that this, quote, includes both the decision of what to publish

00:17:59.920 and the decision of what not to publish. So Facebook is a publisher when it suits them.

00:18:04.480 Right. They are. These tech companies are behaving as publishers. And the data are important here

00:18:09.480 because the data show you how powerful these companies have become. They know everything about

00:18:15.380 you. There are no competitors to them. They control the flow of information on the internet.

00:18:20.440 There is this debate on the right. And we'll bring Zoe in and have this debate. Some of the liberal

00:18:24.860 libertarian school say, who cares how powerful big tech gets? Who cares how they censor? Who cares

00:18:30.680 how they mold discourse and block conservatives from the public square? Just so long as they're not

00:18:36.740 the government. That's one school of thought. That is no consolation to me. I don't care that they're

00:18:44.080 not the government. I don't care if I'm being censored and my politics is being cheated by government,

00:18:50.440 by just a giant government entity, or by a handful of the biggest companies on earth who are getting

00:18:55.520 special protections from the government. I don't care. It needs to end. We need to stop the special

00:19:00.260 protection for big tech. And conservatives need to grow a spine and say that we need to

00:19:05.240 launch an all-on legal assault on these companies. This is an unfair advantage that they are giving to

00:19:15.640 Democrats in 2020. This is censoring the public square. This is abusing their power. This is

00:19:20.940 abusing the law. And this is, and frankly, it's illegal what they're doing. We should

00:19:25.840 take the Vox adpocalypse as a great opportunity to, to say enough is enough. This has been creeping

00:19:35.160 censorship for a long time and, and, and it's over. This also reminds us why we need to go over

00:19:42.220 to a dailywire.com. You know what I mean? This is the big issue of the day. If you care about free

00:19:46.860 speech and diversity of thought, go to dailywire.com right now, dailywire.com slash YouTube and add your

00:19:53.000 name to the list of people standing up against the bullies at YouTube and speaking out for free

00:19:57.740 speech. It's very important. Dailywire.com slash YouTube. Join the fight with us. We're going to

00:20:03.300 bring on one of the OG conservative YouTubers, Zoe Rachel. Luckily, coincidentally was coming by the

00:20:09.180 studio today. If you don't remember Zoe, this is back, this video is from 10 years ago in the old

00:20:14.480 days when social media really were the wild west. It's got half a million views on YouTube back when

00:20:20.160 YouTube wasn't censoring conservatives. This is Zoe Rachel. Okay. So the question is, why am I a

00:20:25.740 Republican? As a conservative Republican, I believe that war sucks. Oh, but there are things that suck way

00:20:30.960 worse than war, y'all. Slavery, genocide, tyranny, peace through strength, y'all. I'm a conservative

00:20:37.540 Republican because I'm pro-life. I'm a conservative Republican because I believe the marriage should

00:20:41.740 be between a man and a woman. As a conservative Republican, I support the second amendment.

00:20:46.400 As a conservative Republican, I appreciate what America is. As a conservative Republican,

00:20:51.700 I believe in a maximum of a 10% consumption tax. As a conservative Republican, I think if we're

00:20:56.940 smart enough to earn the money, then we're smart enough to know how to spend it. I'm a conservative

00:21:01.740 Republican because I believe that abstinence should be taught in school instead of having free

00:21:05.800 condoms into office. As a conservative Republican, I'm proud of my country. I'm proud that our country

00:21:10.900 is seen as the place that if you want the best chance to realize your dream, it's the place to

00:21:16.000 come to. Oh, man, I don't think we're better than anybody else. It's America. We are everybody else.

00:21:22.020 I could go on, y'all, but I'm just going to say that I'm a conservative Republican because

00:21:25.680 I believe in God and I like him. We're joined now by Zoe Rachel. What's going on, man? You look

00:21:31.660 exactly the same. Well, thank you. I can't even see the difference. 10 years and nothing has changed

00:21:35.760 at all. Well, I appreciate that. This was such a lucky day, such a coincidental day for you to be

00:21:42.600 walking by the studios. Nice. Why is it because it's Gay Pride Month? No, not because it's Gay Pride

00:21:46.700 Month, because YouTube is in the news and you were one of the OG conservative YouTubers. I mean,

00:21:52.500 10 years ago, you're talking about 2009 that video came out. What changed between the old days when

00:22:01.760 you could get half a million views on just a, here's my opinion on conservative politics, to now

00:22:07.760 when Steven Crowder uses the word queer, the same word that is in LGBTQ, and he gets demonetized and

00:22:16.360 they're threatening to deplatform him. What changed? Oh, how long do I have?

00:22:21.320 I couldn't go on for days about this. Yeah, we could, we could, and it, because it's been going

00:22:25.820 on for years. And, man, I would say, you know, I don't want to say I told you so, but I've been

00:22:32.760 trying to let folks know that, man, you know, as conservatives, we got to be careful not to

00:22:37.840 underestimate liberals. Their worldview may be foolish, but they're not exactly stupid people.

00:22:45.000 And they've created the platforms that conservatives have been dependent on to get their message out.

00:22:50.580 And I've said for a long time, man, it's like, you know, these Silicon Valley liberals ain't going

00:22:54.600 to sit there and let us talk about, you know, their worldview, the way they've been doing them

00:22:57.800 before they pull the rug up from underneath us. We're going to have to come up with some sort of

00:23:03.560 viable competitor. And I don't mean like some sort of like conservative platform or something like

00:23:08.500 that, you know, you know, hey, this is the right thing. No, it's, it's going to have to be

00:23:13.060 something that's just as interesting, you know, the content and the way that it's

00:23:17.140 organized and all that sort of stuff. You know, I can't be the guy to do it. I'm not that tech

00:23:23.060 savvy, you know, an artist, you know, but anyway, these people, how this, how this came about is

00:23:30.100 basically, you know, they created this stuff and we just can't use their stuff and do what we're

00:23:33.660 doing. Right. We must've been crazy to think that we could get away with airing our views,

00:23:38.280 destroying their stupid ideas for 10 years. Eventually they're going to get sick of it. I remember

00:23:43.960 in the early days of YouTube, right around the time you made that video, I was working on a

00:23:48.360 Republican campaign in New York and nobody was using social media. So we used it in all these

00:23:54.280 sorts of new ways. We were doing music videos to attack the other guy. We were, and they were

00:23:59.740 catching a lot of traction and you could do that back then. Conservatives thought social media are

00:24:05.280 here. Finally, the monopoly of the mainstream media is broken. You had PJTV early on, which you were at,

00:24:11.720 I mean, all the, obviously Daily Wire, CRTV, all of these different companies blew up and now

00:24:16.220 they are totally attacking us. They're pulling the rug out from under us.

00:24:20.700 And, and we've been, what's been part of our content is letting folks know that Democrats is

00:24:24.960 crazy. You know, it's, this isn't a new thing. Like, you know, we talk about the Democrats are

00:24:29.140 becoming unhinged and, you know, and they're, and they're going crazy. They've been crazy. You know,

00:24:33.720 these are people who blow up churches. You know, these are people who have lynch mobs. These are

00:24:37.720 people where we had, you know what, that's illegal. You guys can't keep doing that. You know,

00:24:40.860 so we had to make, you know, anti-lynch laws. These people have been crazy. So, you know,

00:24:45.520 at this point it's like, you know, you know, we might need to take that and get out of crazy

00:24:49.500 folks' backyard and create our own thing like you guys are doing right now.

00:24:53.280 How does this end though? I mean, does this end with conservatives, they just shut us up and we've

00:24:59.020 got to wait for some new technology to develop? Or does this actually energize conservatives as we

00:25:06.300 look at 2020? Well, I hope that it would enter, it would energize conservatives and, and use the

00:25:11.120 formula that's always been under our nose. We see how liberals have been able to do it. Music,

00:25:16.260 movies, education, cinema, they're, they're, they're in everything. And we're conservatives

00:25:20.840 usually aren't. And the thing is we're, as conservatives, we tend to think that people,

00:25:26.640 I think, I think we give people a lot of benefit of the doubt that we can reason with them.

00:25:30.300 You know, we're going to go and, and we have this, this solid reasoning that people are going to

00:25:36.140 understand. And every once in a while you may make a connection. I was a liberal, you know,

00:25:40.820 and I figure if a knucklehead like me can get it, anybody can get it. But reason is just not a

00:25:45.600 language that they understand. And I'm not being literal here. It's just something that they really

00:25:49.380 don't get. Their world is imagination. That's why all the stuff that they believe is filtered through

00:25:54.700 imagination, their, their information, their education, all that sort of stuff is imagination

00:26:00.600 land. And that's just an area that conservatives really don't tap into.

00:26:04.300 Well, it's all the narrative, right? They, they construct a narrative, even if it's false,

00:26:07.780 if everyone sticks to the narrative, then they get to do what they want. And, you know, like me,

00:26:13.160 you're a Hollywood conservative. You were in the Gosnell movie. You got a new album out. I mean,

00:26:17.120 you've, you've been working around show business for a long time. Conservatives don't want anything to

00:26:22.040 do with show business. Well, I don't know, man, because, you know, Netflix is getting that money

00:26:27.440 from somewhere. Let's not pretend that conservatives don't have a Netflix account. They do. And so,

00:26:31.260 so we, you know, we, we at least stole somebody's password to log into Netflix to watch the shows.

00:26:35.220 Right, right. Get them, get them hacks going, man. You know, Netflix, HBO, you know, all that sort of

00:26:40.400 stuff. And we're wondering, you know, how are liberals able to do it? It's because we're funding them to do

00:26:44.160 it. And, you know, it's, it's about time that the supply and demand party starts supplying and

00:26:50.640 demanding interesting ways to promote our ideas. Cause that's what you got to do.

00:26:55.200 Should the government go in and either regulate these big social media companies or enforce the

00:27:01.360 existing law? Or do you think hands-off will just make our own platform?

00:27:05.300 Oh man. Okay. Uh, you know, the government getting involved to, to make this kind of regulation.

00:27:12.620 Um, I, my instinct is no.

00:27:16.580 Right. It's the conservative instinct is I don't want the government to touch it. Everything it touches

00:27:20.000 turns to dust. In the case of YouTube, maybe it should turn to dust. That's another discussion.

00:27:25.220 However, um, you know, when you do have an entity that is interfering, you know, at the scope that

00:27:33.760 they're doing, interfering with people's lives, their livelihood, uh, uh, tapping into, uh, and this

00:27:41.880 opens up another discussion about privacy. Um, you know, people would say that privacy, well,

00:27:46.260 it's not in the constitution. I would argue, yes, it is. And they are violating our right to privacy

00:27:51.060 because your privacy is your property. And we do have a constitutional right to property. So,

00:27:55.900 and they're infringing upon that. Um, they're infringing on our right to pursue happiness by,

00:28:00.940 uh, uh, infringing on our livelihood. My contention with that though, is that, well,

00:28:05.600 we volunteered for it. We don't have like any sort of monetary covenant with them or anything like

00:28:10.460 that where, where we're, uh, we gave them the data. We gave it to them. Yeah. My only issue is

00:28:14.900 they pretend to be platforms when it suits them. Then they say that they're publishers when they're

00:28:20.040 actually in their own behavior. And they, I don't think they should be able to get it both ways.

00:28:24.960 You know, I don't think we should, I think we, if I don't know that we should go in and write new

00:28:29.380 laws and write new regulations. We certainly should enforce laws that we already have. Yeah.

00:28:34.480 Yeah. This, uh, it's, I actually think this helps us in 2020. I think this helps. I think

00:28:42.220 Republicans and conservatives do best when it's so clear that the pop culture is stacked against us,

00:28:49.280 that the mainstream media is stacked against us. And Donald Trump does very well when he's gotten

00:28:54.620 an adversary. And I think this is totally going to backfire on them. What about you?

00:28:59.320 Um, I, I, I hope so. I, I, I like to go along with that thinking. Um, you know,

00:29:04.480 I get discouraged when I think about, man, we lost the Congress, you know, got to be careful

00:29:08.260 with, with how we may hope things go our way. Right. But, but Donald Trump, if we could use

00:29:13.260 him, him as a model, you know, how is he successful? Because he had that pop culture

00:29:17.380 connection. Right. You know, he took his whole campaign and brought it into his reality TV

00:29:21.920 show wheelhouse. And these are things that conservatives like, look, I understand conservatives

00:29:27.080 to make up a conservative. There's a formula. Yeah. Just the same way. There's a formula to make up a liberal.

00:29:32.160 Liberals are imaginative people. Conservatives are practical people, you know, and conservatives,

00:29:37.560 you know, with, with doing what they're doing, um, because they have this practical nature,

00:29:41.920 it doesn't lend a lot to creativity. Well, that's where conservatives have to say, well,

00:29:46.840 you know what, maybe we need to find the people who are and support them. That way we can have a

00:29:50.940 means to promote our narrative in a way that captures people's attention long enough to tell

00:29:55.600 them the truth. You're an imaginative conservative. Where can people go and support you?

00:29:59.040 Well, thank you. Uh, uh, at bronze serpent media.com. They can catch my book,

00:30:04.360 a solid right cross. They can catch a new album. I'm a man, 20 pound sledge. Best man you never

00:30:08.800 heard of. Uh, my only issue with the new book sounds great, but one of my favorite titles for

00:30:16.860 any book of all times is the name of your first book. Well, and that was, that was strategically planned

00:30:23.560 weapon of ASS destruction. And, uh, you know, I, I, I titled that, you know, because ASS stands for

00:30:29.120 American socialist states, which it seems where we're trying to be dragged to, but I figured,

00:30:32.120 you know what? I think maybe people looking for gay porn might look up this book. That's a big,

00:30:36.440 I mean, that's like half the internet, I think. Right. And they might either be very enlightened

00:30:39.880 or very disappointed. So, well, it's great. I'm sure the, I'm sure the new book is a great read too,

00:30:45.560 but Zoe, great to see you, man. Always great for you to come by, come by more often. All right,

00:30:49.540 man. Thank you. All right. We've got to say goodbye to Facebook and YouTube. We're probably

00:30:52.560 going to say goodbye to them forever pretty soon. Uh, go over to dailywire.com now more than ever.

00:30:57.560 Seriously, guys, join us in the fight against big tech censorship. YouTube has demonetized

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00:31:28.360 You get me, the Andrew Klavan show, Ben Shapiro show, the Matt Wall show. You get to ask questions

00:31:32.180 in the mailbag, which is coming right up. You get another kingdom. You get all of this. You get

00:31:35.700 the leftist tears Tumblr, which I think is going to be very important because they won the battle today.

00:31:40.280 I don't think they're going to win the war. I think this is going to energize conservatives in 2020.

00:31:44.720 And I think I've, I haven't felt more invigorated to fight big tech censorship ever in my life.

00:31:52.860 This is a major turning point. Go over, get the leftist tears Tumblr before you drown. We'll be right

00:31:58.260 back. Let's get to the mailbag with what little time we have left. First question from Nicole.

00:32:12.940 As pride month starts, including all kinds of sexualities and genders, I wonder if heterosexuality

00:32:18.740 will ever be included. I believe leaving them out creates a narrative of conflict between

00:32:24.180 heterosexuals and everyone else, which is completely unproductive. And I'd love to know your thoughts.

00:32:29.580 Thanks. It does create a conflict and a division. That's the whole point. Of course, it used to be gay

00:32:37.340 pride. So if you were gay, as opposed to straight, you would go out and march in the pride parade.

00:32:42.940 Then it became gay and lesbian pride, gay, lesbian, and bisexual pride. Now it adds transgender. It adds

00:32:49.660 queer. I'm probably going to get banned from YouTube for saying that. It adds IA. I don't know what those

00:32:55.440 stand for. The acronym gets longer by the minute, but it will never include straight people. It can't.

00:33:03.640 The whole purpose of the pride movement or of all of the other left-wing political movements is to create an

00:33:12.200 enemy and then to create solidarity among everyone who isn't the enemy. So in this case, the mean, awful,

00:33:20.920 terrible oppressors are the straight people. And then everyone who isn't straight is in solidarity with each

00:33:27.420 other. Gay, lesbian, transgender. I mean, it's, it's really strange that gay and transgender go

00:33:33.420 together. The premise of homosexuality is that it's boys who like boys and girls who like girls,

00:33:39.360 people who are attracted to the same sex. The premise of transgenderism is that there's really

00:33:43.760 no such thing as sex, that sex is, is totally changeable, that it's a social construct. You can

00:33:48.520 move fluidly from one to the other. Those are antithetical concepts, but they, they come together

00:33:54.540 to fight the oppressor. This is the idea of the 99% versus the 1%. It's a pretty brilliant political

00:34:00.880 strategy. Of course, a mob of 99% of people is always going to overpower 1%. It's, it's the leftist

00:34:07.640 strategy of division, of finding a scapegoat, of targeting them, of censoring them, of shutting

00:34:12.680 them up, even if the interests of all the other groups don't quite align. So no, they're not going to

00:34:17.900 add straight people to the parade. Although in Boston, there's going to be a straight pride parade,

00:34:22.080 apparently with floats and maybe we'll try to head over there and see what it's like. From Paul,

00:34:30.060 any other, and other than technology, what is the difference between spying on the GOP campaign in

00:34:37.140 2016, President Trump and Watergate? There's a big difference between the Obama administration's

00:34:44.520 spying on the Trump campaign, which we now know for a fact happened. We don't know for a fact that it

00:34:49.580 was improper, but we know for a fact that it happened. Big difference between Obama's administration

00:34:54.700 spying on the Trump campaign and Watergate when Richard Nixon's reelection campaign spied on the

00:35:01.020 Democrats. The big difference is Richard Nixon didn't use the force of the state to spy on the

00:35:06.320 Democrats. He hired his own goons through the campaign and they totally bungled a burglary at the

00:35:12.500 Watergate building DNC headquarters and they got caught. The Obama administration used the full

00:35:20.860 power of the American intelligence community to spy on a rival presidential campaign. That's not a

00:35:28.000 conspiracy theory. We know that happened. The question now is whether that spying was adequately

00:35:34.800 predicated, whether it was appropriate or whether it was inappropriate. Hopefully we'll get answers to

00:35:40.880 that now that Attorney General Barr has a U.S. attorney working on the case and we're waiting for the

00:35:46.060 inspector general's report as well. But if the spying on the Trump campaign was not, was not

00:35:54.120 appropriately predicated, it is so much worse than Watergate. It's barely comparable. From Nicole,

00:36:01.860 a pro-choicer on Twitter made the argument that medically speaking, an abortion is more of an

00:36:07.280 induced miscarriage than murder. Which is most medically accurate? A good question. It's true

00:36:15.180 that an abortion is an induced miscarriage. The, the instrument of the murder is the induced

00:36:22.120 miscarriage. It would be like saying that if I walked up to you on the street and slit your throat,

00:36:28.600 that's not really murder. It's an induced hemorrhage. You died from an induced hemorrhage. It's true.

00:36:34.560 It was induced. It was induced by whom? By me. When I committed that act, what did I do? I committed

00:36:39.280 murder. Of course, what, what they're confusing is physical descriptions and the act itself.

00:36:50.400 I can cut your throat and have it be an induced hemorrhage. I still committed murder. I can induce

00:36:55.680 a miscarriage in a baby. That's committing murder. And I won't get into the gory details, but when you

00:37:02.600 look at how abortions are actually carried out, it is even visually indistinguishable from murder.

00:37:08.520 From Patty. Regarding abortion, I have several friends that argue that when you see crack babies

00:37:15.100 and abused and neglected children, that an abortion would be preferable to all that suffering. I know

00:37:20.220 it's wrong, but I can't come up with any good analogy that would be comparable and make the issue

00:37:25.280 crystal clear. That argument seems the only one with merit. Can you help me out with this? Sure.

00:37:31.080 I live in Los Angeles. I see miserable people all the time. People who are suffering, people who are

00:37:38.140 miserable, people who didn't get that audition that they really wanted to get, people who are

00:37:42.140 completely lost, wandering the streets of LA. So can I kill them? Because I think it's better. I just

00:37:47.880 think it would be better for them to be dead than for them to be living in the squalor and misery and

00:37:53.860 suffering that they're living in, in Los Angeles. So can I kill them? No, of course not.

00:38:00.920 Why? Because I would still be killing them. It would still be murder. But also,

00:38:05.700 in a more important level, the purpose of life is not to avoid suffering. Everybody suffers. It's not

00:38:13.160 just crack babies who suffer. It's not just neglected children who suffer. Everybody suffers.

00:38:18.360 Suffering is a feature, not a bug of life. We all do it. Now, what sort of suffering justifies

00:38:28.980 killing yourself? Obviously, nothing for any of the people that we're talking to, because none of the

00:38:34.240 people we're talking to have killed themselves. We have a bizarre fascination and incorrect idea in

00:38:41.260 this society that suffering is a justification for ending life, that the chief purpose of life is to

00:38:49.000 feel happy all the time. That isn't true. If suffering justified ending life, we would all kill

00:38:56.420 ourselves. And so you have to find a better argument. I guess the argument that they're making

00:39:01.480 is my suffering doesn't justify taking my life, but their suffering justifies me taking their life.

00:39:08.980 That's a totally incoherent point. Tell them to go back to the drawing board and start again.

00:39:13.380 From Garen. Hi, Michael. Despite Ben's best efforts to thwart his viewers from listening to

00:39:18.100 your terrible show, I'm a major fan of the execrable Michael Knowles. Hashtag came for

00:39:21.720 Ben stayed for Michael. Thank you very much. I noticed that Democrats attempt to undermine

00:39:26.240 Republican achievements, such as ending slavery. They will say things like,

00:39:30.840 the Democrats and the Republicans switched platforms. What is your take on this? Sincerely,

00:39:35.940 Garen. I don't know. What's my take on Bigfoot? What's my take on the abominable snowman?

00:39:42.800 It's just completely ridiculous. To say that the Democrats and the Republicans switched platforms,

00:39:49.940 how do you think that happened? Do you think one day, just around the time that all of the

00:39:55.800 prominent Democrats who are around today happened to come of age in politics, the Democrats and the

00:40:00.120 Republicans, Mr. Democrat, Mr. Republican sat down at a table and said, okay, so now for no reason

00:40:05.220 whatsoever, you, Mr. Democrat, are going to start being Mr. Republican. And I, Mr. Republican,

00:40:10.780 am going to start being Mr. Democrat. Why are we going to do this? I have absolutely no idea.

00:40:15.840 How is it possible to get two parties to completely switch? I can't even imagine. But we're going to

00:40:20.420 do it because a bunch of boomer Democrats in the 90s and 2000s said it was true. That's the argument.

00:40:26.560 It doesn't make any sense. It is true that the parties change over time, but it isn't because they

00:40:32.160 just switched parties one day. The Republican Party was founded to end slavery because the

00:40:37.360 Republican Party has had a fascination with American-style liberty from the very beginning,

00:40:42.220 and it continues to this day. Now, during the 20th century, geographically, you saw a beginning

00:40:51.220 of a change in political alignments. So what the Democrats want you to believe is there was over the

00:40:57.020 issue of civil rights. And because of the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s, black Republicans became

00:41:03.380 Democrats. That isn't true. The move of black Americans from the Democrat to the Republican

00:41:07.700 Party began decades earlier. It began during Franklin Delano Roosevelt and the New Deal. And it also

00:41:12.940 coincided with a shift as they moved from the South up to the North. The realignment of certain

00:41:19.420 southern states coincided not with the Civil Rights Act, but actually happened decades later. It really

00:41:26.580 only solidified in the late 80s and 1990s. Why is that? It's because the Democrat Party moved staunchly

00:41:34.920 to the left. They moved radically to the left, and they abandoned a lot of the cultural conservative

00:41:41.020 ideas that all Americans used to share. They boo God at their national convention in 2008 or 2012.

00:41:48.100 They become highly secular. They become radically pro-abortion. They embrace gay marriage as an

00:41:55.400 idea. So they're taking on all of these radical leftist ideas. They go soft on communism. There

00:42:00.780 used to be anti-communist Democrats that has really ceased to exist anymore as Democrats have embraced

00:42:07.780 socialism. So a lot of cultural reasons why certain areas moved more to the right or moved more to

00:42:12.880 embrace the Republican Party. But they didn't switch. I mean, the reason the Democrats want to take

00:42:16.960 credit for all the Republican achievements is because the Democrat Party is one of the worst

00:42:22.780 political forces in the history of the world. It is just a 200-year record of untold mayhem and

00:42:29.020 destruction and immorality. So they're trying to take credit for Republican achievements. But sorry,

00:42:33.840 ain't going to work. From Michael. Hey, Michael. It's Michael. Hey, Michael. I'm a graduating senior.

00:42:39.460 I'm making a turn in my life, and I want to go into politics. Any suggestions on where to start?

00:42:43.780 Yes. Turn away and go do something else. Depends what you mean by politics. Working on a political

00:42:50.800 campaign is some of the best training you can get in your life for anything because you get paid

00:42:54.960 peanuts. You work 18 hours a day. You are interacting with people all the time, strangers, new people,

00:43:01.600 really getting to understand human nature, really getting to understand people. If you don't like

00:43:06.840 people, it will chase you away from it because you're always interacting with strangers. And if you do

00:43:12.160 like people, it will deepen your love of people because you see that everyone is different. You

00:43:16.420 can celebrate their diversity, their foibles, what makes them tick, what motivates them. So I think

00:43:21.880 working on campaigns is great. If you want to start just spouting your political opinions all the time,

00:43:27.240 like I do, I would wait at least a few years and go do some other things, get some life experience

00:43:32.660 before you start that at the tender age of 22. If you want to run for office, don't do it. Don't run

00:43:38.040 at 22. You just haven't lived enough to run and be a serious candidate. If you want to work as a Hill

00:43:46.020 staffer or somebody for an elected official, I think that's pretty good training too. You won't

00:43:52.080 make a whole lot of money, but it'll teach you a lot. And if you aspire to be in high office someday,

00:43:58.480 maybe a route for you to do is go and make some money. Go work in business, go have a regular career,

00:44:05.920 then start running when you're 35 or 40 and you'll, you'll bring something more to the table from

00:44:10.940 Eric. Last question. Ahoy, Michael. Did you know Alexander Graham Bell proposed answering the

00:44:16.460 telephone with ahoy? I didn't know that, but now I do. Happy belated anniversary to you and sweet

00:44:21.380 little Elisa. My question is about movies. Whenever Drew has you review a movie, it's typically something

00:44:27.280 Drew has made you watch, meaning that we get to hear about how awful it is. Avengers Endgame,

00:44:31.960 Sorry to Bother You, that Anita Hill movie on HBO, for example. Are there any movies besides The

00:44:37.280 Godfather and The Godfather Part II that you really like? Yes, there are many. On the Waterfront,

00:44:43.120 Streetcar Named Desire. I don't know. I loved All is Lost, that Robert Redford movie. I loved Hail

00:44:50.980 Caesar. Those are more recent movies. But perhaps my favorite movie is one of the most underappreciated

00:44:58.440 films ever made, starring a complete lunatic, leftist wacko. But nonetheless, it's one of the

00:45:05.220 greatest movies ever made. And that movie is Me, Myself and Irene by the Farrelly Brothers. A true

00:45:11.380 masterpiece. I could watch it endlessly. Enjoy the weekend. Go watch Me, Myself and Irene. We'll see you

00:45:19.280 on Monday. In the meantime, I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:45:22.120 The Michael Knowles Show is produced by Rebecca Dobkowitz and directed by Mike Joyner. Executive

00:45:32.740 producer, Jeremy Boring. Senior producer, Jonathan Hay. Our supervising producer is Mathis Glover. And

00:45:38.700 our technical producer is Austin Stevens. Edited by Danny D'Amico. Audio is mixed by Dylan Case.

00:45:44.360 Hair and makeup is by Jesua Ulvera. And our production assistant is Nick Sheehan.

00:45:48.460 The Michael Knowles Show is a Daily Wire production. Copyright Daily Wire 2019.

00:45:53.200 Hey everyone, it's Andrew Klavan, host of The Andrew Klavan Show. D-Day was 75 years ago today.

00:45:59.200 And for all the sentimental remembrances and heartfelt tributes, it's virtually impossible to recapture

00:46:04.980 or convey the scale and scope of the heroism and sacrifice that was required to begin the rollback

00:46:11.000 of the Nazi conquest. You have to ask yourself, could we do it today? Would we? Why did they fight?

00:46:16.180 Why did they win? And have we lost what it takes to pull off that kind of monumental triumph?

00:46:22.140 We'll talk about it on The Andrew Klavan Show. I'm Andrew Klavan.

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