The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 371 - Student Loan Forgiveness Is Welfare For The Rich

00:00:00.000 Bernie Sanders proposes a taxpayer bailout for all student loans in the United States.

00:00:04.880 But what the left won't admit is that student loan forgiveness is nothing but welfare for the rich.

00:00:10.120 We will analyze the numbers.

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00:02:10.900 We're going to be talking about loans a whole lot today because Bernie Sanders has a new plan to cancel all of the student loan debt in the country.

00:02:21.400 Not just some of it.

00:02:22.580 Not just for people who can't pay it.

00:02:24.060 Not just for poor people.

00:02:25.160 Not just for people who don't get a job.

00:02:26.420 $1.6 trillion of student loans currently owed by 45 million people.

00:02:35.120 40 million of whom are college graduates.

00:02:37.860 About 40, 41 million who are college graduates.

00:02:40.240 About 4 million of whom are dropouts.

00:02:42.740 So they're really having trouble paying their loans.

00:02:46.060 This is the most radical proposal we've seen yet.

00:02:48.980 And they've all been talking about this for a while.

00:02:51.060 The Democratic candidates have been building up to this.

00:02:53.200 So previously, Bernie had proposed making community colleges and four-year public colleges tuition free for people who make less than $125,000 per year.

00:03:03.740 So that's a lot of money.

00:03:05.520 You know, $125,000 that would cover a lot of people.

00:03:09.040 Still not nearly as radical as this.

00:03:11.460 Elizabeth Warren had taken it a step further and talked about forgiving student loan debt. 0.89

00:03:15.620 What her proposal would have done was giving all Americans who have student loans up to 50 grand. 0.97

00:03:23.200 Even that is nowhere near what we're seeing now from Bernie Sanders.

00:03:26.520 Some people have student loans upwards of $200,000 or more.

00:03:31.600 Harris, Booker, Gillibrand, all the Senate Democrats running for president.

00:03:35.460 They endorse something called the Debt-Free College Act.

00:03:37.500 Still not even close to this.

00:03:38.920 This would wipe out all of the student loan debt currently owed in the country.

00:03:43.680 Would do nothing for the people who already paid off their student loans.

00:03:47.180 Ostensibly, it wouldn't do anything for the people who are about to take out student loans.

00:03:50.080 For the people who currently have them, it would wipe them away.

00:03:54.020 Democrats love this idea.

00:03:55.260 Here's AOC embracing it at her own press conference because the sun can't rise in the morning without AOC holding a press conference. 1.00

00:04:03.100 And she is totally owning this issue.

00:04:05.260 I will be completely honest.

00:04:07.220 I will disclose my personal stake in this fight because I have student loans, too.

00:04:13.940 And I think it's so funny.

00:04:15.400 A year ago, I was waiting tables in a restaurant.

00:04:19.120 And it was literally easier for me to become the youngest woman in American history elected to Congress than it is to pay off my student loan debt.

00:04:28.240 So that should tell you everything about the state of our economy and the state of quality of life for working people.

00:04:38.120 It doesn't.

00:04:39.080 It doesn't tell you about the state of our economy or the state of the quality of life of working people.

00:04:43.420 It tells you about the state of education.

00:04:46.660 Of education nationally and specifically about AOC's education.

00:04:50.900 She got a very expensive education.

00:04:52.900 She went to a college called Boston University.

00:04:55.420 It's a private college.

00:04:56.280 It costs today about $70,000 per year to go there.

00:05:02.500 And that education wasn't worth it.

00:05:05.360 I'm not saying Boston University is never worth it.

00:05:08.180 I'm saying AOC didn't get a whole lot out of it.

00:05:12.220 It's funny.

00:05:12.700 She majored in economics.

00:05:13.740 She knows nothing about economics.

00:05:15.240 But if she went there hoping that it would help get her a job, she took out $200,000.

00:05:20.600 I don't know how much she took out in student loans, but she could have taken up $200,000. 1.00

00:05:25.180 She did not learn enough in that university to pay it off with the job she got after college.

00:05:34.240 Because the job she got after college, she said she was waiting tables.

00:05:36.520 She was a bartender. 1.00

00:05:37.320 So, either because of what she studied or how she applied it or what she learned from it, her education did not translate into lots of money afterward.

00:05:48.280 Now, being a bartender is a fine job.

00:05:51.460 Some of my favorite people are bartenders.

00:05:53.420 But it's not a fine job if you've got $200,000 in student debt.

00:05:57.780 You don't need to go to college to be a bartender.

00:05:59.860 You're not really supposed to get a liberal education to get a job anyway.

00:06:03.800 The purpose of a liberal education is education for itself.

00:06:08.060 You only study things like literature, history, mathematics, things that don't have direct applicability.

00:06:13.840 It's not pre-professional training.

00:06:15.560 It's the arts of liberty.

00:06:18.320 It's the arts to understand your liberty and to understand your role as a free citizen and to understand your own civilization.

00:06:24.240 So, it's fine to be a bartender, but if you're saddling yourself with $200,000 of debt and you think that that's going to get you a very high-paying job afterward, then being a bartender isn't going to cut it.

00:06:36.520 Now, she says it's so crazy.

00:06:38.740 She did something so much harder.

00:06:40.500 She became the youngest woman ever elected to Congress.

00:06:43.180 That's so much harder than being a bartender.

00:06:45.300 No, it isn't.

00:06:46.200 No, it isn't.

00:06:47.100 Being a bartender is much harder than being a congressman.

00:06:49.600 It requires much more in terms of social intelligence.

00:06:54.400 It probably requires a higher IQ.

00:06:57.700 The job of being a congressman offers an inflated salary and a much higher future earnings potential for mediocrities.

00:07:07.120 Most people who are in Congress are not terribly intelligent.

00:07:10.820 They're not terribly serious people.

00:07:12.660 They're just glad-handing grifters who make a bunch of money on taxpayer dollar and then they leave and they become lobbyists and they make even more money. 0.57

00:07:21.840 There are some good people in Congress.

00:07:23.300 I have some friends in Congress.

00:07:24.320 I like Dan Crenshaw.

00:07:25.180 He's a terrific guy.

00:07:26.360 Super smart.

00:07:27.040 Loves his country.

00:07:28.140 Most people in Congress are not Dan Crenshaw.

00:07:31.060 So, I'm not at all surprised.

00:07:33.120 AOC graduates college.

00:07:34.440 She hasn't learned anything.

00:07:35.460 She's saddled herself with debt for what is basically a worthless degree.

00:07:38.960 And she realizes, gosh, in the private sector, I'm never going to make anything.

00:07:42.840 I'm not going to make any money out here.

00:07:44.560 And I'm going to just be waiting tables or being a bartender for the rest of my life and never be able to pay off this debt.

00:07:51.500 But I can run for Congress.

00:07:53.300 This is the path forward for mediocrities coast to coast.

00:07:57.100 This is a very ironic proposal, though.

00:07:58.900 Because what the left doesn't want to admit is that student loan forgiveness is not a way to help out poor people.

00:08:07.060 It's not a way to help out the oppressed underclass. 0.99

00:08:11.160 Student loan forgiveness is welfare for the rich.

00:08:15.820 As always, it's the left pretending that they're sticking up for the little guy when really they are sticking up for the elites.

00:08:22.220 Bernie and AOC say this is going to help the average, the working American.

00:08:26.240 Again, the average working American doesn't have a college degree.

00:08:31.520 One third of Americans graduate from college.

00:08:34.460 Two thirds of Americans don't graduate from college.

00:08:38.860 Americans who do graduate from college, statistically speaking, can expect to make a lot more money.

00:08:44.340 The median American college graduate makes about 75% more per year than the median American who only has a high school diploma.

00:08:57.220 Okay, that's, you do get a payoff.

00:08:59.320 If you go to college, statistically speaking, the median person who goes to college is going to make significantly more money.

00:09:04.880 That comes with a cost.

00:09:06.000 You have to pay the tuition.

00:09:07.160 You have to pay off your student loans.

00:09:09.940 It's not as though Bernie Sanders and AOC are like paying off these people's student loans out of charity.

00:09:15.020 The taxpayers are paying.

00:09:16.440 So you now have a system being proposed by Bernie and AOC where the majority of Americans who make comparatively less money than college graduates will be paying off the reckless financial decisions.

00:09:28.820 We'll be bailing out the minority of Americans who choose to go to college and get that education who will statistically make significantly more money than the majority over the course of their lives. 0.80

00:09:38.240 This is a bailout from the comparatively poor to the comparatively rich.

00:09:43.300 Now, the left is trying to avoid this criticism.

00:09:47.520 Bernie has not acknowledged it.

00:09:48.900 AOC has not acknowledged it.

00:09:50.620 Ilhan Omar, to her credit, has sort of alluded to this issue that it's the minority of people who are going to college in the first place who are graduating from college.

00:10:01.260 It's people who have much higher future earnings potential than people who don't go to college.

00:10:06.180 Why is the rest of America going to bail them out for something that's going to make them more money in the long run?

00:10:11.860 Ilhan Omar sort of alludes to this.

00:10:15.180 They are the debt generation.

00:10:17.740 Many of them played by the rules, followed the advice of our parents, our leaders, and got an education.

00:10:24.840 We are told going to college opens a world of opportunity, but far too many, it's accompanied by a world of anxiety, stress, and never-ending debt.

00:10:37.400 We are told by some politicians that this debt is our fault.

00:10:43.020 That if we want to achieve the American dream, we have to lift ourselves up by our bootstraps.

00:10:49.340 Well, we're here today to say student debt is not the result of bad choices or behavior.

00:10:57.740 It is the result of a system that tells students to get an education and go to college in order to have a stable life,

00:11:06.100 but then does not provide the resources to afford that education.

00:11:10.460 You see that?

00:11:11.960 They're not the elites.

00:11:13.220 They're not the ones who are going to make more money.

00:11:14.740 They're the victims.

00:11:15.580 They were tricked into it by their parents, by society.

00:11:18.020 They're victims.

00:11:19.480 They have this debt.

00:11:21.080 It's not their choices.

00:11:22.400 It's not their benefit.

00:11:23.740 It's not their future likely elite lifestyle.

00:11:27.460 No, no.

00:11:28.000 They're the real victims, and the majority of Americans who don't have a college degree, 0.99

00:11:32.320 who they're now telling to bail out the minority who will,

00:11:35.520 it's incumbent on them because they haven't had such awful oppression as the people who spent four years at very expensive private colleges.

00:11:43.060 Totally outrageous.

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00:13:22.420 Ilan Omar does not want to take responsibility for her financial decisions.

00:13:26.360 So, she's blaming everybody.

00:13:29.620 She's saying, obviously, this is the sort of basic aspect of leftism.

00:13:35.320 She's blaming people for her problems, right?

00:13:37.720 My parents made me go to college.

00:13:39.260 My society made me go to college.

00:13:40.660 Everybody made me go to college.

00:13:41.800 Not me.

00:13:42.840 The loan companies tricked me into taking out loans and go, whatever.

00:13:46.680 The other aspect of leftism here is they want to get something with no cost and with

00:13:51.380 no risk.

00:13:52.040 It's true.

00:13:52.620 You can take out $100,000 in loans, go to college, graduate, not having learned anything,

00:13:58.000 not having studied very hard, not having been appropriate for college.

00:14:02.260 Maybe there was a better path for you, but you did go to college.

00:14:05.100 Now, you got a lot of debt and you're not making a lot of money.

00:14:07.780 That's risk.

00:14:08.440 Life involves risk.

00:14:10.120 You don't have perfect security.

00:14:12.120 Little babies have perfect security.

00:14:13.880 And even little babies, frankly, don't have perfect security.

00:14:16.200 Certainly grown adults don't.

00:14:17.400 You got to take some responsibility.

00:14:19.420 And there's cost.

00:14:20.200 So for the median and everyone else, you're going to make a lot of money after you graduate

00:14:24.280 from college.

00:14:26.240 That doesn't just come for free.

00:14:27.940 Not just because you're so pretty.

00:14:29.220 Not just because you're so privileged and wonderful and beautiful.

00:14:31.480 People are going to give this to you for free.

00:14:33.320 You incur that cost and then you get a reward for that in the long run.

00:14:38.620 According to a new survey just came out, two-thirds of employees in America are reporting

00:14:43.460 having regrets when it comes to their degrees.

00:14:46.540 They wish they didn't get it according to a pay scale survey of about 250,000 respondents

00:14:51.940 this past spring.

00:14:53.280 They have regrets because I don't think they have regrets because they don't want to make

00:14:57.740 the extra money, which statistically they are.

00:15:00.920 They are making significantly more money than if they hadn't gone to college.

00:15:04.260 They regret that they have to pay for it.

00:15:06.860 Sorry, buddy.

00:15:07.720 There's no such thing as a free lunch.

00:15:09.180 If you want something in this life, you've got to pay for it.

00:15:12.380 So, the other question on this is why are we only going to pay off student loans?

00:15:18.280 If the minority of people are the ones who are getting the student loans, why are we privileging

00:15:24.100 them?

00:15:24.700 Also, are we going to reimburse people who already paid off their loans?

00:15:27.680 Or are we going to give a bonus to people who were able to get scholarships to college

00:15:31.900 so they didn't need as much in student loans or any student loans?

00:15:35.200 Are we going to give anything to the majority of Americans who don't have student loans?

00:15:39.760 Why not car forgiveness?

00:15:41.000 Why not car loan forgiveness?

00:15:43.320 The average car payment in America is significantly higher than the average student loan payment.

00:15:47.340 And way more people have car payments than have student loan payments.

00:15:51.100 How about mortgage payments?

00:15:52.700 Are we going to do that?

00:15:53.820 Now, the left would say, this is the Democrat response, they say, college helps the economy.

00:15:59.300 It's sort of a common good because the more educated people you have, the more they're

00:16:02.980 going to make a lot of money and that wealth is going to trickle down.

00:16:05.480 Ironically, they're making a sort of trickle down argument from the left.

00:16:08.860 Say, it's a common good.

00:16:10.920 There's going to be more businesses.

00:16:12.500 It's helpful to the community when people get educated.

00:16:15.880 Okay.

00:16:18.020 Car ownership helps the economy too.

00:16:20.960 Car ownership helps the economy way more than most college degrees.

00:16:26.180 Car driving also should be encouraged by society.

00:16:28.680 It's how people get to work.

00:16:29.760 It's how people pick up the kids from school.

00:16:31.420 It's how they keep the economy moving.

00:16:32.700 If we pay off student debt, why aren't we going to pay off car loan debt?

00:16:36.660 If we pay off student and car loan debt, why aren't we going to pay off mortgage debt?

00:16:40.420 People need a place to live, don't they?

00:16:43.260 People need a place to live way more than they need to study lesbian dance therapy at 1.00

00:16:47.160 Palookaville University, don't they?

00:16:49.540 If we're going to pay off all those debts, certainly we should pay off homeowner debt.

00:16:53.540 Now, what is debt?

00:16:54.560 People also don't know what debt is.

00:16:55.820 Why do people have debt?

00:16:57.000 People have debt because they are borrowing against their future earnings.

00:17:00.200 You need some money today.

00:17:01.260 The money today is more valuable than waiting and having the money in 20 years.

00:17:06.200 So you're going to pay a little bit of an interest rate on that because there's time

00:17:09.240 value of money and you're going to use that money now.

00:17:12.480 It's going to help you.

00:17:13.380 It's going to propel you ideally.

00:17:14.540 And that's how modern economies work.

00:17:17.080 If you know that you're going to make 75% more per year by going to college, then you're

00:17:23.480 definitely going to borrow the money now because you're going to have 60 years of earning

00:17:27.960 all that more money.

00:17:28.900 You're going to pay it off.

00:17:29.520 It's going to be a good deal.

00:17:30.360 Well, that allows for economic growth.

00:17:32.560 But if there's never any consequence to debt, then the system of credit is going to collapse

00:17:36.460 because no one's going to have faith in the system, right?

00:17:39.180 The way that credit works is you have to have people believe that there's going to be a

00:17:43.380 consequence to not paying it off.

00:17:45.120 Otherwise, why would anyone pay off their debts?

00:17:47.020 If we forgive 1.6 trillion in student loan debt, why would anyone ever again make a student

00:17:51.760 loan payment?

00:17:53.120 It actually wouldn't be fair for them to do it.

00:17:55.620 It already wouldn't be fair for the people who paid off their debt.

00:17:57.940 So why would they ever make that?

00:18:00.760 We're just going to have to bail out student loans all the time.

00:18:02.800 If we forgive all the student loans, we are creating a federal entitlement to free college

00:18:07.880 and free private college for that matter.

00:18:10.100 But once the government gets involved, I guess it becomes a public college.

00:18:13.140 No one will pay off their debts.

00:18:14.660 The big question politicians need to solve here is not all of the oppression, not all

00:18:23.640 of the victimhood, not all the terrible reasons why people went to college.

00:18:26.720 They need to figure out why is college so expensive?

00:18:31.660 Why is it?

00:18:32.360 It's because the federal government guarantees loans.

00:18:34.820 So it's a blank check to colleges to raise their tuition, which has skyrocketed over the

00:18:39.540 last 20, 25 years.

00:18:41.300 Why else?

00:18:41.900 It's because more students are going.

00:18:44.000 So you're flooding the market.

00:18:44.960 You're telling people they need to get a college degree.

00:18:47.780 And so the colleges have the opportunity to just raise the prices.

00:18:51.900 In 2016, nearly 70% of high school graduates enrolled in college.

00:18:58.000 A lot of those people are not going to graduate.

00:19:00.700 For a lot of them, it was a terrible idea to enroll in college.

00:19:03.300 Very expensive mistake.

00:19:06.220 But 70% almost.

00:19:07.840 In the 1940s, do you know how many people got a college degree?

00:19:12.860 5%.

00:19:13.260 4% or 5%.

00:19:14.620 Even in the 1950s, 5%, 6% of people.

00:19:19.200 So now we got 70% of people going to college.

00:19:21.840 Back in the 40s and 50s, we had like 5%.

00:19:23.980 Do we really think that people today are much better educated than our grandparents were?

00:19:30.560 No, of course not.

00:19:33.540 If anything, we're less educated today.

00:19:36.400 We have more degrees.

00:19:37.680 We're more credentialed.

00:19:38.480 But we're less educated.

00:19:39.720 In the 1950s, universities required knowledge of Latin as a prerequisite.

00:19:44.740 Do you know Latin?

00:19:45.380 How's your Latin?

00:19:46.120 Not great.

00:19:46.480 How's my Latin?

00:19:47.040 Terrible.

00:19:48.660 High schools taught Latin because of this requirement.

00:19:52.520 Today, even top universities don't require Latin.

00:19:56.480 Some universities don't even offer Latin.

00:19:58.200 In the 1950s, education made sense.

00:20:04.900 I mean, getting a good education always makes sense.

00:20:07.000 But I'm saying the education that was being offered actually was coherent.

00:20:10.780 It was based around a common curriculum.

00:20:12.560 It was based around the Western canon.

00:20:14.160 It was based around our civilization.

00:20:15.560 So you'd read the ancients through the Middle Ages through modernity.

00:20:18.720 You would understand how Aristotle and Homer relate to Thucydides, relate to the Bible,

00:20:27.200 relate to Dante, then relate to Boccaccio, relate to Shakespeare, then how all of those

00:20:32.680 people relate to the moderns, how they relate to Thomas Aquinas.

00:20:36.140 So Thomas Aquinas takes Aristotle and he makes him Christian. 0.58

00:20:39.280 And then you get to Machiavelli and modernity.

00:20:41.600 Then you get to Hobbes and Rousseau and T.S. Eliot, and it makes sense.

00:20:44.940 You have a picture of how ideas have progressed, how we got to where we are.

00:20:49.160 It used to make sense in and of itself.

00:20:50.920 Now it doesn't.

00:20:51.520 Now you just pick random subjects.

00:20:52.800 Okay, I'm going to take modern French film and I'm going to take math for English majors.

00:21:00.760 And that's supposed to be an education, but it's not.

00:21:03.300 And that's what almost everyone has now.

00:21:06.060 Education also used to make sense for students.

00:21:08.100 So if you wanted an elite education, you got a liberal education.

00:21:10.980 If you wanted to be an electrician, you apprenticed under an electrician or you got a trade education.

00:21:15.800 If you wanted to be an entrepreneur, sometimes you got a liberal education.

00:21:19.420 Sometimes you didn't get any education.

00:21:20.740 You just started building things, you just started doing stuff right out of high school,

00:21:24.040 if you even finished high school.

00:21:26.400 Now education doesn't make sense for students.

00:21:29.580 The problem is not that the cost is too high or that people have too much debt or that it's

00:21:35.240 too hard to get in or whatever.

00:21:37.060 The problem is that we have devalued education by saying that everyone needs to go and that

00:21:42.420 the government will basically create an entitlement to it.

00:21:44.700 We have devalued it.

00:21:45.900 Personally, I paid very little for college because I got a lot of scholarships.

00:21:51.600 And I actually know who gave my scholarship.

00:21:53.320 I know the guy who had the named scholarship who then I received his scholarship.

00:21:57.580 I got to meet him.

00:21:58.400 I went to the opera with him.

00:21:59.660 Great guy.

00:22:00.700 That creates a feeling of gratitude.

00:22:02.840 That creates a debt.

00:22:03.940 I understand that even though I didn't have to pay a lot for college, barely had to pay anything,

00:22:08.840 I know that it wasn't free.

00:22:10.560 Somebody worked very hard to allow me to go.

00:22:12.680 That creates some responsibility.

00:22:15.620 If the government is just going to forgive all the debts, there's no feeling of gratitude.

00:22:19.660 That's just a, that creates an entitlement.

00:22:21.340 It creates a feeling of entitlement of all of these AOC and Ilhan Omar, these bratty little 0.72

00:22:26.640 girls who are saying, I want something for free. 1.00

00:22:29.280 Wah, wah, wah.

00:22:30.040 It's not my fault that I have to pay something for the great benefits that I've had.

00:22:34.060 That's what it creates.

00:22:36.680 Free college only exacerbates the problem.

00:22:39.300 We need to make it clear, once again, that not everyone needs the same schooling.

00:22:44.180 Because when everybody has the same government-run schooling, then you have a lot of schooling.

00:22:48.320 You don't have a whole lot of education.

00:22:51.720 Unfortunately, the problem seems to be getting worse and you see that lack of education every

00:22:55.220 time AOC opens your mouth.

00:22:56.740 Moving on from the 2020 race, we have to talk about war because Iran keeps threatening us with 0.99

00:23:02.540 war.

00:23:03.580 And this is creating a lot of consternation in the White House and on the right, especially.

00:23:07.460 So what is Iran doing?

00:23:09.420 Iran looks like they set a few oil tanks, a couple of oil tankers on fire last week.

00:23:14.240 Looks like they shot a missile at one.

00:23:16.160 They also then shot down our $130 million drone, which is very frustrating.

00:23:22.480 No Americans killed, but $130 million is a lot of money.

00:23:26.340 So the question is, are we going to war with Iran?

00:23:28.840 It looked like the United States was going to launch some strikes on Iranian targets and

00:23:32.700 President Trump called it off at the last minute, according to White House reports, which he

00:23:36.780 alluded to.

00:23:38.680 Why did he say he doesn't want to go to war?

00:23:41.620 Why did he call off the strikes?

00:23:43.820 Because he said it's not worth killing people for a drone, which is an amazing statement from

00:23:49.660 the president.

00:23:50.160 They call this guy Hitler.

00:23:51.200 They call him an authoritarian warmonger.

00:23:53.820 He's like the most peaceful president I've ever seen, certainly in my lifetime.

00:23:58.120 They call him bloodthirsty.

00:23:59.440 I think he's certainly the most peaceful president since Ronald Reagan.

00:24:03.400 He heard that it would, about 150 people would be killed in Iran if they struck those targets.

00:24:09.080 And he said, no, I'm not going to do that for a drone.

00:24:11.680 I'm not going to kill those people.

00:24:12.920 It's not their fault.

00:24:15.340 You know, Barack Obama loved invading Muslim countries.

00:24:18.080 They said, they said, if I voted for John McCain, then we'd go to war with another Muslim

00:24:22.120 country.

00:24:22.660 And obviously that was correct because I voted for McCain and we went to war with more Muslim 1.00

00:24:26.340 countries.

00:24:26.740 George W. Bush responded to 9-11 by invading Afghanistan and Iraq.

00:24:31.520 Bill Clinton bombed a medicine factory in Sudan just to get Lewinsky out of the news.

00:24:37.820 That's how little it took for Bill Clinton to go to war.

00:24:40.320 Bush 41 obviously led the Gulf War.

00:24:43.420 Ronald Reagan actually was also fairly dovish.

00:24:46.680 He didn't really like going to war very much.

00:24:48.400 A lot of similarities with Trump.

00:24:50.500 Ronald Reagan sent forces into Lebanon and then you had the Beirut bombing and over 200 Americans

00:24:55.980 were killed and he pulled those forces out pretty quick.

00:24:58.300 So what is President Trump going to do?

00:25:00.640 His supporters don't want to go to war with Iran generally, but there is sort of a split

00:25:04.720 here.

00:25:05.080 There's a split in the conservative mind on this.

00:25:07.200 On the one hand, we say Iran is awful. 1.00

00:25:09.520 They're terrible.

00:25:10.500 They're a terrible government.

00:25:11.840 They're ruining the world order.

00:25:13.460 I don't care about them at all.

00:25:14.860 Blow up the whole country.

00:25:15.860 That's one idea.

00:25:16.820 The other one is I don't care about Iran. 0.51

00:25:19.400 I don't care about Iran at all. 0.80

00:25:20.540 I don't want to send American soldiers to fight because it doesn't seem to really affect

00:25:24.180 me.

00:25:24.620 That's the other idea.

00:25:25.880 They're both kind of views of going to war that have a kind of machismo to them.

00:25:31.140 They're both, they have a conservatism to them, but we're debating now which one to do.

00:25:37.560 What is President Trump going to do?

00:25:39.760 He finally made his announcement yesterday.

00:25:41.640 Sanctions imposed through the executive order that I'm about to sign will deny the Supreme

00:25:48.160 Leader and the Supreme Leader's office and those closely affiliated with him and the

00:25:52.960 office access to key financial resources and support.

00:25:57.280 The assets of Ayatollah Khomeini and his office will not be spared from the sanctions.

00:26:04.600 Okay, so I have to stop it right there because the left was attacking Trump yesterday.

00:26:08.980 They were all making fun of him because he referred to the Ayatollah Khomeini who died

00:26:13.820 in 1989.

00:26:15.320 What a total idiot.

00:26:17.060 Can't you, what a, what a nincompoop.

00:26:19.540 He talked about Ayatollah Khomeini like Ayatollah Khomeini is still alive.

00:26:24.540 So I asked a few of these people on Twitter.

00:26:26.420 I said, okay, yeah, Ayatollah Khomeini is dead.

00:26:29.820 What's the new guy's name?

00:26:31.600 None of them knew because they don't know anything.

00:26:33.700 They make these jokes like guffawing buffoons, but they don't, they don't know the punchline.

00:26:39.280 The new guy's name is Ayatollah Khomeini.

00:26:44.160 Okay, so he mispronounced the name.

00:26:46.400 It's pretty close.

00:26:47.120 It's not like he, he, he confused him with John Smith or something.

00:26:51.120 It's Khomeini and Khomeini.

00:26:52.680 Give me a break.

00:26:53.280 He's reading it on the paper.

00:26:54.320 He doesn't, I don't know.

00:26:55.460 It's not, that's not like the biggest deal in the world.

00:26:57.240 He goes on to the actual meat of what he's talking about.

00:27:00.120 These measures represent a strong and proportionate response to Iran's increasingly provocative 0.98

00:27:05.940 actions.

00:27:06.580 We will continue to increase pressure on Tehran until the regime abandons its dangerous activities 0.98

00:27:13.820 and aspirations, including the pursuit of nuclear weapons, increased enrichment of uranium,

00:27:20.140 development of ballistic missiles, engagement in and support for terrorism, fueling of foreign

00:27:26.000 conflicts and belligerent acts directed against the United States and its allies.

00:27:30.860 Okay, so he's talking tough.

00:27:35.720 He's getting tough as a diplomatic measure, but he isn't saying the bombs are going to fly in five

00:27:40.140 minutes.

00:27:41.020 What is going on with Iran?

00:27:43.880 The friend of the show, foreign policy expert, Mike Durant has an interesting take on this.

00:27:47.720 We'll get to it in a second.

00:27:48.780 Then we'll get to that crazy lady who's accusing Trump of rape and a whole lot more. 1.00

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00:28:11.920 Oh yes, that's very good.

00:28:15.580 Yeah, that sounds like, it sounds like we're not going to forgive your $1.6 trillion in loans.

00:28:21.700 If they think that payout, payouts, $1.6 trillion payouts for the minority of Americans who are

00:28:29.360 these elite, effete, generally left-wingers, that's going to rally people to go vote for

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00:28:35.840 Probably not a great look.

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00:28:38.060 We'll be back with a lot more.

00:28:38.900 Okay, what's Iran really up to?

00:28:50.640 Mike Duran, one of my go-to guys when it comes to especially Iran policy, he has a piece out

00:28:57.940 at Mosaic Magazine and it's the most coherent and compelling argument I've heard yet.

00:29:02.740 The title of the article is What Iran is Really Up To and then the subheader is Desperate

00:29:11.260 to Preserve the Nuclear Deal, Iran, with the help of its Western friends, is creating just 0.98

00:29:16.380 enough turmoil to make America and not it appear eager for war.

00:29:22.020 And that seems to be about right.

00:29:24.000 So what's going on?

00:29:24.680 All of the American allies in Europe and the G20 nations, they're all fearful, we're told,

00:29:32.620 because Donald Trump is a populist and he's upsetting the established order of decaying

00:29:39.200 liberalism.

00:29:40.240 They're afraid in Europe, they're afraid of their own right-wing populism.

00:29:43.980 And so specifically on the Europeans, Khamenei wants to scare them about the threat of war

00:29:49.580 with Iran and they want to scare them about the threat to the international order. 0.92

00:29:54.680 And then, this is what Mike Duran thinks, they're going to offer a multilateral diplomatic

00:30:01.060 way to avoid that war.

00:30:03.920 And do you know what that way is?

00:30:05.440 It's the Iran deal. 0.70

00:30:06.560 The Iran deal that President Trump campaigned against and ripped up when he got into office.

00:30:11.180 So it turns out we never fully pulled out of the Iran deal.

00:30:15.620 We ripped up most of it, but we crucially are still issuing waivers to our European allies

00:30:21.620 to allow them to cooperate with Iran on certain projects that are permitted under the deal.

00:30:26.260 So we didn't totally pull out of it.

00:30:28.680 And what this means is, it actually does give us a little bit of leverage.

00:30:33.120 So one of the arguments against pulling out of the Iran deal is it takes away our leverage.

00:30:36.680 We actually still have a little bit of leverage.

00:30:38.460 President Trump could reinstate all sanctions, every punishment against Iran with the snap 0.56

00:30:43.160 of his fingers.

00:30:43.760 He could completely end the Iran deal.

00:30:45.980 And this is the worst case scenario for Iran.

00:30:48.820 So what Iran wants to do is present President Trump as the enemy of a rules-based international

00:30:54.980 order.

00:30:56.180 This is very hilarious because Iran, since the Iranian revolution, has been the chief international 1.00

00:31:03.500 opponent of the international order.

00:31:05.220 They're worse than North Korea in this regard because at least North Korea doesn't pretend to 0.99

00:31:09.520 be a part of the international order and system.

00:31:11.940 Iran does. 0.93

00:31:12.760 Iran puts one foot in the international order and they show up and they give their speeches 0.89

00:31:16.760 at Columbia University and the UN and they wear suits and ties or whatever version of that

00:31:21.660 they wear.

00:31:22.320 They try to pretend to be serious participants in the international world order.

00:31:27.540 Then they fund terrorism all around the world.

00:31:30.240 They're the chief exporter of terrorism.

00:31:32.080 They undermine the international order left and right.

00:31:35.920 One foot in, one foot out.

00:31:37.400 So Iran announces, in keeping with how they behave, they announce on June 17th that their 0.97

00:31:44.580 nuclear stockpiles are about to exceed the limit of the Iran deal.

00:31:49.680 But the Iran deal is over, right?

00:31:52.140 Now, why did they announce that on June 17th?

00:31:54.400 Well, just in time for the G20 summit, right around the corner.

00:31:58.080 So Mike Duran writes, quote, Iran's policy of strategic pressure then is made up of three

00:32:04.700 separate but interlocking lines of effort, a struggle to gain relief from the oil and

00:32:08.920 banking sanctions, a campaign to tarnish Trump as an agent of chaos, and an initiative aimed

00:32:15.060 at keeping its nuclear waivers in place.

00:32:18.180 Among these, the third is by far the most urgent.

00:32:22.040 To understand why, we need to examine the function of the waivers and why they are exceptionally

00:32:26.440 valuable to Ali Khamenei.

00:32:28.600 So this is all about the Iran deal, all about getting those waivers to keep building up their 0.61

00:32:33.140 nuclear program.

00:32:34.380 So Shinzo Abe, the Japanese leader, went over to Iran this past month.

00:32:41.580 And right around the time he was there, Iran blew up a partially Japanese-owned oil tanker.

00:32:47.140 They said this doesn't make any sense.

00:32:48.440 They're trying to threaten everyone else and scare them about President Trump's role in

00:32:54.060 the international order.

00:32:55.340 So according to reports, President Trump sent a message with Shinzo Abe for Ayatollah Khamenei

00:33:02.120 and Khamenei responded to Abe and said, I have no message for Trump.

00:33:06.540 I have no message at all.

00:33:07.460 I'm not going to dignify him with a response.

00:33:09.980 But of course he's sending a message to Trump.

00:33:11.940 He's sending the message with missiles.

00:33:13.620 He's trying to get, and more importantly, he's sending a message to Europe.

00:33:16.960 What does this show us?

00:33:19.260 It shows us, one, Obama got bungled Iran completely.

00:33:23.440 Obama assumed wrongly that he could diplomatically stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon.

00:33:29.400 Can't be done.

00:33:30.460 That is not going to happen ever.

00:33:32.420 And Obama tried it, and it didn't work, and other people have tried it too.

00:33:36.260 You can only stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon with force. 0.85

00:33:40.500 That's the hard reality.

00:33:44.060 Now, as Mike Duran says, it doesn't necessarily mean war, though it very possibly could mean war.

00:33:51.980 But ultimately, you will need coercion.

00:33:54.020 You will need coercive measures that are not just people singing kumbaya.

00:33:58.020 Ironically, what does this mean?

00:34:01.440 An eternal rule of statecraft is that if you want to avoid war, you need to be totally ready to go to war.

00:34:08.600 If you want to avoid war, you need to be able to credibly threaten going to war.

00:34:13.300 And that is the line that President Trump is walking now.

00:34:15.620 So people are saying he's sending mixed messages.

00:34:17.980 He is an anti-war candidate, and John Bolton is his national security advisor.

00:34:22.460 John Bolton has been an Iran hawk his entire life.

00:34:24.620 On the one hand, he says, I don't want war.

00:34:27.560 On the other hand, there's a military operation in place to strike Iran.

00:34:32.320 But then he calls it off.

00:34:33.560 What is happening?

00:34:34.520 He's trying to show that we have the credible threat of force, and we will do it.

00:34:38.640 He's actually using against Iran the very thing that Iran is trying to use against America, 0.70

00:34:44.660 which is that President Trump is a madman.

00:34:46.700 You can't predict what he's going to do.

00:34:48.540 I genuinely can't predict what he's going to do on Iran.

00:34:50.840 Neither can Kamehne.

00:34:51.700 So what Trump is saying is, you can't predict what I'm going to do.

00:34:56.480 Cut it out and don't make a nuclear weapon.

00:35:00.400 Because we will go to war. 0.96

00:35:02.280 We will force you not to have that nuclear weapon.

00:35:04.560 What Kamehne is saying is, look at that madman over in America.

00:35:08.200 We need the Iran nuclear deal. 0.65

00:35:10.140 We need to force America back into this deal.

00:35:13.180 Because he's a madman who'll blow up the whole world order.

00:35:15.600 That's the standoff right now.

00:35:16.900 It's over the question of how mad is Donald Trump, and which side is he going to come down on when that charade is over.

00:35:25.000 I have no prediction, because his strategy is working.

00:35:28.360 Speaking of mad people and crazy people, a couple days ago, you know there was, a few days ago now,

00:35:34.480 there was that woman, E. Jean Carroll, the New York advice columnist, who accused Trump of raping her 23 years ago in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room.

00:35:45.560 And we saw that interview that she did with Alison Camerata, and it was really weird, and it wasn't terribly credible.

00:35:50.800 And the story was falling apart.

00:35:51.960 So, she did another interview.

00:35:54.980 She did an interview on MSNBC, and she was discussing what she should have done in that moment, what was going through her mind,

00:36:02.660 what she could have changed about that moment.

00:36:05.100 You know, not going in, not being raped by Donald Trump, not coming out with this before 23 years later.

00:36:12.120 Do you know what she says she would have done if she could change anything about the event?

00:36:15.840 While Donald Trump was in the room with her, about to rape her, she would have asked for his tax returns. 0.95

00:36:23.420 So, I just, Lawrence, I wish I had said, I wish, I said, I'll tell you my age if you show me your tax returns.

00:36:33.720 Yeah, it would have been, it would have been helpful in that.

00:36:35.500 Oh, well.

00:36:36.620 Okay, all right, well, that's a little odd, isn't it?

00:36:40.220 So, she has these lines, she keeps evading the question and saying all these crazy things.

00:36:44.200 She then says it wasn't rape.

00:36:46.400 So, she's saying, but before she was calling, they were referring to this as rape, and this was her rape in there.

00:36:50.860 Now, she's avoided those direct questions when she's done these interviews.

00:36:54.640 Now, she's saying it wasn't rape, and she explains why it wasn't rape in an interview on CNN with Anderson Cooper.

00:37:01.460 It did not last long, and that's why I don't use the word you just used.

00:37:07.100 I use the word fight.

00:37:08.680 You don't use the word rape? 0.94

00:37:09.840 Sexual violence is in every country, in every strata of society, and I just feel that so many women are undergoing sexual violence.

00:37:20.640 Mine was short.

00:37:21.720 I got out.

00:37:22.560 I'm happy now.

00:37:24.040 I'm moving on.

00:37:25.820 And I think of all the women who are enduring constant sexual violence.

00:37:32.540 So, this one instant, this one, what, three minutes in this little dressing room, I just say it's a fight.

00:37:39.540 That way, I'm not the victim.

00:37:41.520 Okay, hold it there for just a second.

00:37:44.800 She says she's not using the word rape because she doesn't want to offend less fortunate women who are raped.

00:37:53.780 That doesn't make any sense.

00:37:56.560 Just because you are relatively better off than someone else doesn't mean that a crime can't be committed against you.

00:38:02.540 When a rich guy gets burglarized, he doesn't refuse to call the police or say he wasn't burglarized because poor people are also burglarized.

00:38:09.760 So, when women experience rape, but they're sort of relatively wealthier or better known or better off, it's still rape. 0.99

00:38:19.480 It's not not rape because some poor woman also can be raped. 1.00

00:38:24.120 Now, the reason she's not trying not to use the term rape, I suspect, is because she wasn't raped by Donald Trump because her story is completely falling apart.

00:38:31.960 But the interview then takes the craziest turn of all when she tells people, when she tells Anderson Cooper that another reason that she won't refer to the event that took place as rape is because rape is sexy.

00:38:47.880 You don't feel like a victim.

00:38:48.800 I was not thrown on the ground and ravished, which the word rape carries so many sexual connotations.

00:38:55.800 This was not, this was not sexual.

00:38:58.920 It just, it hurt.

00:39:00.820 It just, it just, you know.

00:39:02.400 But I think most people think of rape as a, I mean, it is a violent assault.

00:39:07.160 It is not a sexual assault.

00:39:07.500 I think most people think of rape as being sexy.

00:39:11.460 Let's take a short break.

00:39:12.460 Think of the fantasies.

00:39:13.420 We've got to take a quick break.

00:39:16.700 If you can stick around, we'll talk more on the other side.

00:39:19.060 You're fascinating to talk to.

00:39:21.920 Oh, man.

00:39:23.800 That does not look great.

00:39:26.520 We'll take a quick break.

00:39:27.360 Please, please cut the cameras.

00:39:30.360 So now this woman has no credibility. 0.97

00:39:33.220 The left is saying, well, forget about her, but think of all the other women who have accused Trump.

00:39:37.920 We're told a lot of women have accused Trump.

00:39:39.640 I haven't seen a lot of them, but we're told that all these women accused Trump of rape.

00:39:43.420 Even on the right, even David French said this.

00:39:45.720 He said, look, when this first came out and he believed her, before he saw the video, I suspect,

00:39:51.200 he said, look at this.

00:39:53.440 We have to come to grips with the fact that President Trump is very likely a rapist.

00:39:59.300 No, we don't.

00:40:01.620 Well, they're credible accusations.

00:40:03.600 Are they credible?

00:40:05.080 Is that woman credible?

00:40:06.100 If all the women are as credible as that woman, then none of the accusations are credible at all.

00:40:10.280 Then there's no reason to believe them.

00:40:12.220 This is the same line the left always uses.

00:40:14.540 They say, well, you know, forget about this particular claim.

00:40:18.480 You know, whenever their hysterical claims get disproven by the facts, they say, well, forget about this one instance.

00:40:24.700 Okay, maybe that one wasn't true, but it gets to a greater truth.

00:40:29.420 Okay, if it gets to a greater truth, show me the actual examples of it.

00:40:33.200 Well, no, we can't show you these.

00:40:34.420 But just know, five million women accused Trump of rape.

00:40:36.740 So, look, one of them has to be right, right?

00:40:38.960 One of them has to be telling the truth.

00:40:40.440 No, they could all be lying.

00:40:42.340 Or you could, actually, more likely, you could be lying even in your presentation of that narrative.

00:40:47.600 This woman is the most prolific, she's the most prominent woman so far to come out and accuse President Trump of raping her. 0.98

00:40:53.940 Her story has no credibility.

00:40:57.300 Now, this is about the narrative.

00:40:59.280 This is about the left pushing their narrative and us trying to refute it with facts.

00:41:03.260 We have a new person who's going to be doing that from the White House.

00:41:06.120 Unfortunately, it's not going to be me.

00:41:08.280 It's okay.

00:41:08.740 I'm not crying.

00:41:09.400 No big deal.

00:41:09.960 I'm not crying.

00:41:11.860 Melania's spokesman, Stephanie Grisham, is going to be the new White House press secretary.

00:41:16.840 This news just broke about an hour ago.

00:41:19.480 We don't know a ton about her.

00:41:20.860 You know, she worked for a lot of Arizona politicians, worked on the Romney campaigns, coordinated press for the Pope's visit to Philly.

00:41:28.020 And she was a press aide to the Trump campaign.

00:41:29.780 She has a great reputation.

00:41:30.760 It doesn't seem to have a lot of dirt on her.

00:41:33.520 The one claim they're throwing at her is that she violated the Hatch Act, which prevents people in government from using their government offices for political and campaign purposes.

00:41:45.460 And the one violation they say she made is she used the phrase make America great again from her official account. 0.51

00:41:51.480 So I guess you're not allowed to say make America great again now if you work for the government.

00:41:54.720 Tells you a lot about our government.

00:41:56.340 She seems pretty good.

00:41:57.220 Seems like a solid candidate.

00:41:58.280 It's the most thankless job in D.C.

00:42:00.620 A very big shoes to fill after Sarah Sanders, who was just terrific in that role. 0.99

00:42:05.060 I just mentioned this, and I give my condolences to her for getting the toughest job in D.C.

00:42:10.060 because what we are battling right now, the battle that we're in, is a battle of language.

00:42:15.120 And the press secretary plays a tremendous role in this.

00:42:18.300 You know, actually bringing it all together, getting back to school, the issue of education, college and high school.

00:42:23.680 There was an amazing exchange in Scotland, just happened, that highlights this battle of language that we're in.

00:42:29.240 There was a student who was kicked out of class because he said that there are only two genders.

00:42:34.920 There are only two sexes. 0.99

00:42:36.140 And his teacher said, no, there are more than two sexes. 0.98

00:42:38.840 And the kid said, no, they're not.

00:42:40.280 You can't, that isn't true.

00:42:42.400 And you can't make me say that something that's not true is true.

00:42:45.540 He got kicked out of class for it.

00:42:46.940 Then he secretly recorded his conversation with the teacher who is yelling at him for it.

00:42:51.440 This tells you everything you need to know.

00:42:52.960 All the way in Scotland tells you everything you need to know about what's coming this way in the United States if we don't stop it.

00:42:59.240 You're entitled to your opinion.

00:43:01.180 If I am, then why would you kick me out of class?

00:43:03.440 It's not very inclusive of opinion.

00:43:04.540 Can I take my sentence, please?

00:43:06.200 It's not very inclusive.

00:43:07.480 No, I'm sorry.

00:43:08.000 What you were saying was not very inclusive.

00:43:09.600 And this is an inclusive school.

00:43:11.580 Yeah, how is what I was saying?

00:43:13.080 Because I was saying that what's wrong with the website is that there are more than one gender in this country. 0.54

00:43:17.520 That's your opinion.

00:43:18.300 That is my opinion.

00:43:19.760 And that is an opinion which is acceptable in the school.

00:43:23.140 I'm afraid yours, which you're saying that there's no such thing as anyone other than male or female, is not inclusive.

00:43:28.380 Basically, there are just two genders, depending on what gender you have. 0.78

00:43:33.160 You are choosing to make an issue of this.

00:43:34.840 Because I said, are you really going to do it?

00:43:36.160 That was your opportunity to keep quiet.

00:43:39.480 You made the issue with it on the website.

00:43:41.000 You said, oh, this website doesn't have more than two genders. 0.85

00:43:43.260 Murray, you were clearly given an opportunity not to pursue it.

00:43:47.820 You chose to do so.

00:43:49.400 Yeah, because I think it's silly.

00:43:50.540 You chose to do so.

00:43:51.300 Yes, that's the key question.

00:43:52.740 You chose to do so.

00:43:53.680 I think it's silly to have anything other than two genders. 1.00

00:43:56.500 That, okay.

00:43:57.540 Anything else is a personal opinion.

00:43:58.440 Could you please keep that opinion to your own house?

00:44:02.000 Thank you.

00:44:03.120 Not in the school.

00:44:03.540 So you get to put your opinion out in class and my opinion has to stay inside my house.

00:44:05.680 No, I am not putting my opinion.

00:44:09.920 I am not putting my opinion out.

00:44:11.720 I am stating what is national school authority policy.

00:44:16.500 Okay?

00:44:17.200 Well, it's not scientific whatsoever.

00:44:19.000 Not every policy is scientific, Murray.

00:44:22.820 Sorry.

00:44:23.760 Not every policy is scientific, Murray.

00:44:29.180 Not every policy is scientific, Murray.

00:44:32.620 When you've got to choose between scientific reality and political, politically correct, ideological dogma, Murray, you've got to pick the politically correct, ideological dogma.

00:44:48.020 Forget reality.

00:44:49.120 I mean, this is what George Orwell predicted.

00:44:52.160 He said, there will be no true or false.

00:44:53.760 There will be no history.

00:44:54.720 There will be no facts.

00:44:55.760 There will just be the eternal present where whatever the party says is right.

00:45:00.820 Murray, the party says that two plus two doesn't equal four.

00:45:05.580 So two plus two does not equal four.

00:45:07.680 Keep your opinion to yourself.

00:45:09.140 You hear what he said to him.

00:45:10.640 He said, you had the opportunity to keep quiet.

00:45:12.820 And the kid says, right, but you're telling me that there's more than two sexes.

00:45:17.980 I know there aren't.

00:45:19.140 So I just said there are two sexes. 0.90

00:45:20.880 He said, you brought this on yourself, Murray.

00:45:23.700 It's not that we tried to teach you something that is obviously not true.

00:45:27.440 You brought it on yourself because you could have shut up.

00:45:30.820 You had the opportunity to shut up.

00:45:32.900 And because you didn't shut up, you brought your own punishment on yourself.

00:45:36.980 You were able not to pursue this, but you pursued the truth and now we're going to punish you.

00:45:44.040 He says, keep your own opinion to your own house.

00:45:47.460 I almost feel bad for this teacher.

00:45:49.280 I mean, not really because he's, he is the instrument of the most obvious example of tyranny

00:45:55.700 that I've seen in modern politics.

00:45:57.560 He is the instrument of that.

00:45:59.320 But he says, you keep your opinion about reality in your own house.

00:46:02.920 He says, well, I have to keep my, I have to, I can't state basic facts in a school.

00:46:08.520 It's like that scene out of Dr. Strangelove.

00:46:11.120 There's no fighting here, gentlemen.

00:46:12.560 This is the war room.

00:46:13.860 There is no education here, Murray.

00:46:16.360 This is a schoolhouse.

00:46:19.480 And so the kid says, well, it just seems crazy that to say there's more than two sexes

00:46:25.940 when there aren't.

00:46:27.780 Well, that's your opinion.

00:46:28.880 Keep your opinion at your house.

00:46:30.060 And the kid says, well, you're going to teach me your opinion.

00:46:32.140 And he says the most telling thing.

00:46:33.880 He says, that's not necessarily my opinion, but that is what the authorities have told

00:46:39.660 us to say.

00:46:42.600 He says, well, what the authorities have told you to say isn't true.

00:46:46.080 He uses the word scientific, but the word science just means knowledge.

00:46:49.780 Because it isn't true knowledge.

00:46:51.260 It isn't true.

00:46:53.060 And the teacher says, policy isn't always scientific.

00:46:56.120 It isn't always true.

00:46:57.420 And you'll go along with it.

00:46:58.600 We will use the coercive power of the state to make you believe lies and state lies.

00:47:06.060 And if you ever say the truth, we're going to use the power of the state to punish you.

00:47:09.160 Now, the Democratic Party and the left wants a full government takeover of our education

00:47:16.440 system.

00:47:17.980 The government, big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything

00:47:21.900 you have.

00:47:22.960 They call it loan forgiveness.

00:47:24.800 We're going to forgive your loans.

00:47:25.860 That means that they are going to control 100% the education system in this country, not

00:47:31.560 just the public universities, the private ones too.

00:47:34.760 The mechanism by which students go to these universities, the money, the payment, is now

00:47:39.780 going to be controlled by the government.

00:47:42.280 And I wonder what that education system is going to look like.

00:47:44.660 I wonder if that's going to help the education system or if it's going to hurt it.

00:47:48.080 Something tells me it's going to look a lot like this classroom.

00:47:51.300 That's our show.

00:47:52.200 Come back tomorrow for a lot more.

00:47:53.620 In the meantime, I'm Michael Knowles.

00:47:54.740 This is the Michael Knowles Show.

00:47:55.860 The Michael Knowles Show is produced by Rebecca Dobkowitz and directed by Mike Joyner,

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The Michael Knowles Show - June 25, 2019

Ep. 371 - Student Loan Forgiveness Is Welfare For The Rich

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