The Michael Knowles Show


Ep. 373 - Los Democrats Son Muy Estúpidos


Summary

After watching the Democratic Debates, it's safe to say that the candidates all seem to be speaking in broken Spanish. And it's not just the candidates who are doing it. It's also the moderator, Cory Booker, who seems to be doing it too.


Transcript

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00:00:30.000 Hola, mamacitas.
00:00:32.000 Democrats kicked off last night's presidential primary debate with a novel strategy.
00:00:37.260 They started randomly speaking in Spanish throughout the whole thing.
00:00:41.320 We will examine how los Democrats got so muy estúpidos.
00:00:45.860 Then my pal Jamil Giovanni stops by to discuss how young men get radicalized.
00:00:50.880 And finally, the mailbag.
00:00:52.420 Yo soy Michael Knowles y thiso iso el Michael Knowles show-o.
00:01:00.000 Yo quiero Taco Bell.
00:01:07.260 That's basically my main takeaway from last night's Democratic debate is that yo quiero Taco Bell.
00:01:13.380 So the debate was broadcast on NBC.
00:01:17.300 And I'm sitting there with sweet little Lisa.
00:01:18.820 We're watching it.
00:01:19.540 And I thought I may have been watching it on Telemundo because, for some reason,
00:01:25.500 these candidates all seem to be speaking in Spanish.
00:01:28.040 Here's a little taste.
00:01:28.800 Me llamo Julián Castro y estoy postulando por presidente de los Estados Unidos.
00:01:34.720 Necesitamos incluir cada persona en el éxito de esta economía.
00:01:40.400 Pero si queremos hacer eso, necesitamos incluir cada persona en nuestra democracia.
00:01:47.180 Cada votante necesitamos la representación y cada voz necesitamos escuchar.
00:01:53.800 So if you couldn't see that, there's this moment when Beto, he's the first one, first question.
00:02:10.240 Beto starts speaking in Spanish randomly for no reason.
00:02:13.260 And there's a cutaway and you see Cory Booker looking at him like, dude, are you actually pandering more than I am?
00:02:22.500 Are you actually being more disingenuous than I, Cory Booker, am being?
00:02:26.880 And it was probably the only genuine thing I've ever seen out of Cory Booker.
00:02:30.960 And then within, I don't know, 10 minutes or something, Cory Booker starts doing it too.
00:02:36.020 It was this moment of like Beto saying, hey, hey, bro, nobody can butcher the Spanish language better than I can.
00:02:41.620 And then Booker's there like, hold my pupusa.
00:02:43.800 And then he just starts speaking in broken Spanish.
00:02:46.040 It was, it was very hilarious to watch.
00:02:48.680 But it wasn't just the candidates.
00:02:50.280 Even the moderator got in on all the Spanish fun.
00:02:54.540 Congresista, I'm sorry.
00:02:57.280 Congresista O'Rourke, ¿qué haría usted en el primer día, si usted es presidente, sobre esta realidad que está ocurriendo?
00:03:03.580 What would you do, Congressman, day one at the White House?
00:03:07.080 Vamos a tratar cada persona con el respeto y dignidad que merecen como humanos.
00:03:15.580 Oh, Beto O'Rourke's like the guy who got called on by teacher, but he didn't do the homework.
00:03:20.400 So he's, he's pretending to speak Spanish from the first question.
00:03:24.100 Then this moderator, Jose Diaz-Balart, just starts speaking to him in Spanish.
00:03:29.460 And Beto O'Rourke basically just responds, ¿dónde está la biblioteca?
00:03:35.180 ¿Dónde?
00:03:35.860 He uses the word, I wasn't listening to all the Spanish because I don't speak Spanish.
00:03:39.560 And I've never been more happy that I don't speak Spanish than when I was watching last night's debate.
00:03:44.140 But halfway through, he doesn't remember the word for medicine, which I believe is medicina.
00:03:48.140 So he's just like, oh, yeah, si, yo quiero la medicina, yeah.
00:03:53.380 And it's just really, really pathetic.
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00:05:28.620 This was a mess, this Spanish thing.
00:05:34.880 I remember, I was working on the John Huntsman campaign in 2012.
00:05:38.300 I love John Huntsman.
00:05:39.200 He's the current ambassador to Russia.
00:05:41.380 Thought he was a terrific governor of Utah.
00:05:43.040 Thought he was a great ambassador.
00:05:44.100 Thought he was a great presidential candidate.
00:05:45.420 He made a very strategically poor decision during one debate where he started speaking in Mandarin Chinese.
00:05:52.880 And the idea here was the same thing that these guys were trying to do.
00:05:55.900 They want to show that they can speak this language.
00:05:58.940 If China is going to be the big threat and you can speak Chinese, that gives you a lot of credibility.
00:06:02.600 If America is becoming multilingual, if America's got all these Spanish-speaking immigrants coming in,
00:06:07.880 it's very impressive if you, too, can speak Spanish.
00:06:11.240 It doesn't work.
00:06:12.680 People don't like it.
00:06:14.880 Especially in these early primary states.
00:06:17.140 Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina.
00:06:19.260 You think those guys are impressed that you speak Spanish?
00:06:22.600 None of them speak Spanish.
00:06:23.760 Nobody in those states speaks Spanish.
00:06:25.720 Very bad idea.
00:06:27.600 It's very offensive.
00:06:28.680 I found this to be the most offensive part of the debate last night.
00:06:32.600 They were talking about basically having post-birth abortion.
00:06:35.200 They were talking about abortion at any time during pregnancy on demand.
00:06:38.260 They were talking about socialism.
00:06:39.280 They were talking about getting rid of private health care.
00:06:41.600 And I found the most offensive part of it to be this stupid Spanish pandering.
00:06:48.080 This is America.
00:06:50.060 We speak English in America.
00:06:53.440 That's it.
00:06:54.860 There is very little that unites us as a country anymore.
00:06:57.560 Most of us don't share our religion.
00:07:00.180 Most of us don't share common experiences.
00:07:01.840 We don't share a common culture.
00:07:03.440 We don't all go watch the same TV shows, read the same books, or go to the same movies.
00:07:07.280 We have very little bit uniting us.
00:07:08.980 If we don't speak the same language, then we have basically nothing that unites us anymore.
00:07:15.520 I think it's great to speak other languages.
00:07:17.600 I speak other languages.
00:07:19.540 I studied Italian in school.
00:07:22.280 I studied Italian literature.
00:07:23.480 When I go to Italy, I speak Italian.
00:07:25.300 I get along in Italian.
00:07:29.520 When you go to Rome, do what the Romans do.
00:07:33.460 When I'm in America, I don't speak Italian all the time.
00:07:37.320 Even if I go to an Italian restaurant, I don't sit there and say,
00:07:41.040 okay, I'll have the wine, and I'll have the appetizer, and I will have...
00:07:44.580 No, I don't do that, because that's weird, because you're in America.
00:07:53.440 I'll say, I'll have the spaghetti alla carbonara, please.
00:07:56.640 Because I'm...
00:07:57.580 We speak English in America.
00:07:58.900 This is America.
00:08:00.700 Now, the Democrats, they don't like America.
00:08:02.620 They don't like American traditions.
00:08:04.920 That's not even a...
00:08:05.940 I don't think that's an exaggeration anymore.
00:08:08.300 They say they want to fundamentally transform the country.
00:08:10.840 You don't want to fundamentally transform things that you like.
00:08:13.980 You want to fundamentally transform things that you don't like.
00:08:17.080 And that was Barack Obama, one of his campaign platforms,
00:08:20.020 one of the pillars of his campaign.
00:08:23.760 One of the reasons that everyone is anxious about illegal immigration
00:08:26.820 is because they fear that they're going to lose the country.
00:08:29.000 They fear that the country is going to be totally unrecognizable afterward.
00:08:33.600 I don't think this is going to play well in Peoria,
00:08:35.700 and worse for them, I don't think it's going to play well in early,
00:08:37.680 primary states.
00:08:39.400 Now, you'll notice that the leader of the pack last night, Elizabeth Warren,
00:08:43.720 she didn't speak Spanish because she understood this.
00:08:46.560 She didn't even speak Navajo,
00:08:48.320 and I believe that's her native language, she said.
00:08:50.500 Beyond all the crazy Spanish,
00:08:53.240 the Democrats were running very far left.
00:08:55.540 Liz Warren, who went in there as the kind of top of that pack
00:08:58.660 in last night's debate,
00:09:00.380 she ran about as far left as she could.
00:09:03.580 She actually said
00:09:05.280 she wouldn't put any limits
00:09:07.640 on abortion.
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00:11:07.780 So they ran
00:11:08.760 very far to the left.
00:11:10.540 Here is Liz Warren
00:11:11.900 being asked,
00:11:12.600 would you put
00:11:13.620 any limits
00:11:15.400 on abortion?
00:11:16.640 Here's her answer.
00:11:18.080 Senator Warren,
00:11:18.620 would you put limits on,
00:11:19.660 any limits on abortion?
00:11:22.040 I would make certain
00:11:23.160 that every woman
00:11:24.220 has access
00:11:25.280 to the full range
00:11:27.420 of reproductive
00:11:28.120 health care services
00:11:29.320 and that includes
00:11:30.400 birth control,
00:11:31.280 it includes abortion.
00:11:32.960 So, no.
00:11:34.180 The answer is no.
00:11:35.000 I wouldn't put any limits
00:11:35.840 on it whatsoever.
00:11:37.380 Only 6% of Americans,
00:11:39.200 according to recent polls,
00:11:40.660 believe there should be
00:11:41.400 no limits on abortion
00:11:42.340 whatsoever.
00:11:43.200 94% of Americans
00:11:44.500 think there should be
00:11:45.220 some limits on abortion.
00:11:47.080 But no one on that stage
00:11:48.580 is going to say
00:11:49.140 that there should be
00:11:49.660 limits on abortion.
00:11:50.460 Liz Warren,
00:11:51.200 who's leading that pack,
00:11:52.760 she's not the top of the pack
00:11:53.720 in the whole field,
00:11:54.900 but of the candidates
00:11:55.700 who were at that debate
00:11:56.440 last night,
00:11:57.020 she is polling at the top.
00:11:58.900 She says no limits whatsoever.
00:12:01.640 So how are you going
00:12:02.120 to outwoke somebody
00:12:03.220 if they're already saying
00:12:05.400 no limits,
00:12:06.960 abortion on demand,
00:12:08.000 without apology
00:12:08.660 at any time?
00:12:10.380 Julian Castro
00:12:11.140 figured out a way.
00:12:12.000 He figured out
00:12:12.500 the one way to outwoke her
00:12:13.620 and that is by
00:12:14.660 offering to extend
00:12:16.580 abortion rights,
00:12:17.720 not just to women,
00:12:19.500 but to men.
00:12:20.060 I don't believe only
00:12:21.300 in reproductive freedom,
00:12:23.820 I believe in
00:12:24.280 reproductive justice.
00:12:27.000 And, you know,
00:12:28.580 what that means
00:12:29.340 is that just because
00:12:30.620 a woman,
00:12:31.960 or let's also not forget,
00:12:33.780 someone in the trans community,
00:12:35.580 a trans female,
00:12:37.700 is poor,
00:12:39.220 doesn't mean they shouldn't
00:12:40.280 have the right to exercise
00:12:41.760 that right to choose.
00:12:43.200 And so I absolutely would
00:12:44.520 cover the right
00:12:45.400 to have an abortion.
00:12:48.180 What?
00:12:49.040 What was that?
00:12:49.940 So trans women,
00:12:51.940 this is just how
00:12:52.900 they describe it.
00:12:53.500 A trans woman is a man,
00:12:55.120 a biological man,
00:12:56.280 who dresses up like a woman
00:12:58.000 or thinks he's a woman
00:12:58.940 or wants to be a woman.
00:13:00.440 So he would extend
00:13:01.520 abortion rights
00:13:02.440 to biological men.
00:13:05.400 That's very woke.
00:13:06.880 Also, I love his euphemism.
00:13:08.640 This is a new one.
00:13:09.240 I've never heard of it.
00:13:10.060 I wouldn't just have
00:13:10.900 reproductive freedom.
00:13:11.760 I'd have reproductive justice.
00:13:15.140 He never describes
00:13:15.900 what the difference is
00:13:16.800 because they're just both
00:13:18.260 completely meaningless words.
00:13:19.860 But what's most ironic
00:13:21.180 about reproductive justice
00:13:22.340 is he's describing
00:13:23.720 a way to stop reproduction
00:13:26.420 by unjustly killing someone.
00:13:30.080 So it's not only
00:13:31.780 the opposite of reproduction,
00:13:33.240 it's also the opposite
00:13:34.140 of justice.
00:13:34.900 It's exactly the opposite
00:13:35.960 of what he's saying it is.
00:13:39.380 Now, obviously,
00:13:40.980 Cory Booker
00:13:41.580 Cory Booker
00:13:42.620 is not going to let
00:13:43.180 Julian Castro hog
00:13:44.340 all of that woke trans space.
00:13:46.480 It's like, all right,
00:13:47.160 you're going to speak Spanish?
00:13:48.020 I'll speak Spanish.
00:13:48.800 You're going to talk about trans?
00:13:50.120 Okay, I'm going to one-up you.
00:13:51.240 I'm going to get even woker.
00:13:52.480 And Cory Booker
00:13:53.280 got down to the real issues
00:13:54.960 that Americans care about.
00:13:56.660 The issue that's at the top
00:13:57.640 of all of our minds.
00:13:59.380 African American
00:14:00.400 trans Americans, finally.
00:14:03.140 Look, civil rights
00:14:04.740 is some place to begin.
00:14:06.140 But in the African American
00:14:07.000 civil rights community,
00:14:08.120 another place to focus on
00:14:09.160 was to stop the lynching
00:14:10.080 of African Americans.
00:14:11.180 We do not talk enough
00:14:12.840 about trans Americans,
00:14:15.180 especially African American
00:14:16.440 trans Americans.
00:14:18.120 Everyone had just been talking
00:14:19.560 about issues like immigration
00:14:20.760 or the economy or war.
00:14:23.060 No.
00:14:24.120 We need to talk about
00:14:25.560 the statistically
00:14:26.720 estimated
00:14:28.560 0.3,
00:14:31.360 0.036%
00:14:34.180 of the population
00:14:34.920 who are African American
00:14:36.340 trans Americans
00:14:37.120 because African Americans
00:14:38.360 are about 12-13%
00:14:39.360 of the population.
00:14:40.880 Transgender people,
00:14:41.680 people who are confused
00:14:42.340 about their gender,
00:14:43.360 are 0.3%
00:14:44.420 of the population.
00:14:45.220 So you're about
00:14:45.600 0.036%
00:14:48.540 of the population.
00:14:49.360 That is how you're going to win
00:14:50.280 the presidential election.
00:14:51.960 I also wondered
00:14:53.240 if African American
00:14:54.340 trans Americans
00:14:55.060 are a contradiction in terms
00:14:56.200 because if you've got the
00:14:58.100 you've got the American there,
00:15:00.060 the African American,
00:15:00.940 but then the trans American,
00:15:02.300 do the Americans,
00:15:03.460 therefore,
00:15:03.860 because of the trans,
00:15:04.720 cancel each other out?
00:15:05.680 So then you're just left
00:15:06.840 with trans Africans,
00:15:08.580 which I believe
00:15:09.140 is Rachel Dolezal.
00:15:10.320 And it is about time
00:15:11.440 that our presidential candidates
00:15:12.900 finally get some justice
00:15:14.560 for Rachel Dolezal.
00:15:16.800 My favorite candidate
00:15:17.860 of the night
00:15:18.360 was Tim Ryan.
00:15:20.380 Who's Tim Ryan?
00:15:21.280 I don't know.
00:15:22.060 Do you know?
00:15:22.500 No, nobody knows.
00:15:23.260 Nobody still knows
00:15:23.980 even though he was
00:15:24.480 at this debate.
00:15:25.360 He is an Ohio congressman.
00:15:27.820 I take it
00:15:28.400 because I looked it up
00:15:29.100 on Wikipedia afterwards.
00:15:30.640 He is pathetic
00:15:32.460 in the true sense.
00:15:33.940 I don't mean
00:15:34.520 to make fun of him.
00:15:35.160 I don't mean he's pitiful.
00:15:36.360 I mean, he's pathetic.
00:15:37.720 He evokes pathos.
00:15:39.580 You just,
00:15:40.060 you really feel for the guy.
00:15:41.920 You have all the feels.
00:15:43.520 He is the only person
00:15:44.480 on that stage
00:15:45.160 who did not come across
00:15:46.580 as a completely
00:15:47.700 unctuous psychopath.
00:15:49.740 You actually kind of
00:15:50.680 felt bad for him.
00:15:51.960 And unfortunately,
00:15:52.780 one of the reasons
00:15:53.460 you felt bad for him
00:15:54.340 is because Tulsi Gabbard
00:15:55.760 just absolutely
00:15:57.220 destroyed his life
00:15:58.820 in about 30 seconds.
00:16:00.100 Here she is.
00:16:00.800 You know what?
00:16:01.240 You felt like she was
00:16:02.500 refunding you
00:16:02.940 to get 30 seconds.
00:16:03.840 You're a very good man.
00:16:04.220 I appreciate that.
00:16:04.960 I hear what you're saying.
00:16:06.140 I would just say,
00:16:06.940 I don't want to be engaged.
00:16:08.940 I wish we were spending
00:16:09.860 all this money
00:16:10.580 in places that I've represented
00:16:12.340 that have been
00:16:12.860 completely forgotten
00:16:13.800 and we were rebuilding.
00:16:15.140 But the reality of it is
00:16:16.320 if the United States
00:16:17.220 isn't engaged,
00:16:18.480 the Taliban will grow
00:16:19.900 and they won't have
00:16:21.620 bigger, bolder
00:16:23.720 terrorist acts.
00:16:25.340 We have got to have
00:16:26.280 some present there.
00:16:27.280 The Taliban was there
00:16:28.900 long before we came in.
00:16:30.340 They'll be there
00:16:31.040 long before we leave.
00:16:32.540 We cannot keep
00:16:33.800 U.S. troops
00:16:34.380 deploying to Afghanistan
00:16:36.020 thinking that we're
00:16:37.000 going to somehow
00:16:37.800 squash this Taliban
00:16:39.160 that has been there
00:16:40.500 that every other country
00:16:41.740 that's tried has failed.
00:16:42.460 I didn't say squash them.
00:16:43.580 When we weren't in there,
00:16:44.760 they started flying planes
00:16:45.980 into our buildings.
00:16:47.260 So I'm just saying
00:16:48.020 right now,
00:16:48.840 we have an obligation.
00:16:49.320 The Taliban didn't attack us
00:16:50.280 on 9-11.
00:16:51.120 Al-Qaeda did.
00:16:51.860 Well, I understand.
00:16:52.800 Al-Qaeda attacked
00:16:53.460 the side of 9-11.
00:16:54.380 I understand.
00:16:54.760 That's why I and so many
00:16:56.140 other people joined
00:16:57.040 the military to go
00:16:58.060 after Al-Qaeda,
00:16:59.160 not the Taliban.
00:17:00.520 The Taliban was protecting
00:17:02.780 those people who were
00:17:04.340 plotting against us.
00:17:06.140 Okay.
00:17:06.580 He got the question
00:17:07.600 sort of right at the end.
00:17:08.840 He said,
00:17:09.080 no, the Taliban were
00:17:09.820 harboring the Al-Qaeda
00:17:11.200 terrorists and we don't
00:17:12.020 make a distinction
00:17:12.720 between those two.
00:17:13.880 But she just ate his lunch
00:17:15.520 and he kind of,
00:17:16.360 he didn't do anything.
00:17:17.440 She pounced and he folded.
00:17:19.440 The strongest performance
00:17:20.340 of the night,
00:17:20.800 because Gabbard
00:17:21.840 was pretty impressive.
00:17:22.780 She exceeded expectations.
00:17:24.040 Actually, even Booker
00:17:24.880 exceeded expectations,
00:17:26.320 which were already
00:17:26.900 very low.
00:17:27.680 But the strongest performance
00:17:28.780 of the night came from
00:17:30.000 Elizabeth Warren.
00:17:31.600 She didn't say anything.
00:17:32.720 She just kept saying,
00:17:33.940 I have a plan.
00:17:34.600 I have a plan.
00:17:35.260 But she came off
00:17:36.300 very strong,
00:17:37.960 even though she'd never
00:17:39.460 explained what her plans were.
00:17:41.960 Senator Warren,
00:17:42.620 I want to continue
00:17:43.340 on the Mitch McConnell
00:17:44.760 thing because you have
00:17:45.960 a lot of ambitious plans.
00:17:47.360 You have a plan for that.
00:17:48.480 Okay.
00:17:48.980 We talked about
00:17:49.840 the Supreme Court.
00:17:50.460 Do you have a plan
00:17:51.680 to deal with Mitch McConnell
00:17:53.940 if you don't beat him
00:17:56.020 in the Senate,
00:17:56.680 if he's still sitting there
00:17:58.200 as the Senate majority leader?
00:17:59.780 It's very plausible
00:18:01.040 you'd be elected president
00:18:02.340 with a Republican Senate.
00:18:04.340 Do you have a plan
00:18:05.360 to deal with Mitch McConnell?
00:18:06.720 I do.
00:18:13.140 That's it.
00:18:13.740 That was her answer.
00:18:14.440 I do.
00:18:15.120 And then they applaud.
00:18:16.120 She doesn't say
00:18:16.940 what the plan is.
00:18:17.920 Okay, that's fine.
00:18:18.740 So they want strength.
00:18:21.300 She's offering strength
00:18:22.460 and she's offering,
00:18:24.120 you know,
00:18:24.300 she's a real battle axe,
00:18:26.260 a battle tomahawk
00:18:27.240 in the case of Elizabeth Warren.
00:18:28.620 She's a real,
00:18:29.420 she's saying,
00:18:29.860 I'm the tough one.
00:18:30.660 She's trying to,
00:18:31.280 in some ways,
00:18:31.760 pull a Trump strategy here.
00:18:33.020 But she doesn't give
00:18:33.880 a lot of specifics.
00:18:35.220 This got even more
00:18:36.160 ridiculous later on.
00:18:37.220 She kept just using
00:18:37.820 these platitudes.
00:18:38.680 She kept just refusing
00:18:39.600 to answer questions.
00:18:40.560 Chuck Todd actually
00:18:41.580 called her out on it.
00:18:42.740 We need to treat this
00:18:43.940 like the virus
00:18:44.720 that's killing our children.
00:18:46.280 You didn't address,
00:18:47.140 do you think
00:18:47.660 the federal government
00:18:48.240 needs to go and figure out
00:18:49.700 a way to get the guns
00:18:50.460 that are already out there?
00:18:51.620 What I think we need to do
00:18:53.160 is we need to treat it
00:18:54.440 like a serious research problem,
00:18:56.440 which we have not done.
00:18:58.400 You know,
00:18:58.780 guns in the hands
00:19:00.040 of a collector
00:19:00.960 who's had them for decades,
00:19:03.700 who's never fired,
00:19:04.920 who takes safety seriously,
00:19:07.360 that's very different
00:19:08.640 from guns that are sold
00:19:10.320 and turned over quickly.
00:19:11.560 We can't treat this
00:19:13.400 as an across-the-board problem.
00:19:15.360 We have to treat it
00:19:16.460 like a public health emergency.
00:19:18.700 That means bring data to bear
00:19:20.260 and it means make real change
00:19:22.400 in this country,
00:19:23.540 whether it's politically popular or not.
00:19:26.460 Okay, thank you, Senator.
00:19:27.500 Thank you, Senator.
00:19:28.180 The question was,
00:19:28.940 are you going to take away
00:19:29.600 people's guns?
00:19:30.640 We need to take this seriously.
00:19:32.680 Yeah, I know,
00:19:33.260 but are you going to take away
00:19:34.160 people's guns?
00:19:34.980 I'm going to take it
00:19:35.940 really, really seriously.
00:19:37.180 Okay, you're not going to answer.
00:19:38.100 Obviously ridiculous.
00:19:39.700 Whatever.
00:19:40.180 She doesn't want to give it
00:19:40.880 what will end up being
00:19:41.820 a very divisive answer.
00:19:43.220 The problem is her voice.
00:19:45.180 She is shrill.
00:19:47.540 That's not a woman thing.
00:19:49.320 That's not a sexist thing.
00:19:50.760 Tulsi Gabbard isn't shrill.
00:19:52.200 Amy Klobuchar isn't shrill.
00:19:54.380 Cory Booker is shrill.
00:19:55.980 And Liz Warren,
00:19:56.900 who's at the top
00:19:57.760 of this particular pack,
00:19:59.300 is very shrill.
00:20:01.140 She sounds like a disingenuous
00:20:02.740 wet blanket and a scold.
00:20:04.900 And it's very, very grating.
00:20:07.220 If she can fix her voice,
00:20:08.260 she'll be the strongest candidate
00:20:09.680 in the race,
00:20:10.320 in the whole race.
00:20:12.020 Very intelligent.
00:20:13.200 She's a total killer.
00:20:14.780 She's polished.
00:20:15.780 She's strong.
00:20:17.140 She projects strength.
00:20:18.840 If she can't fix that voice,
00:20:20.260 it's hard to see
00:20:20.960 how people will ever come around
00:20:22.580 to like her well enough
00:20:23.320 to vote for her.
00:20:24.360 The big takeaway here,
00:20:25.520 I think,
00:20:25.840 is we all think Trump
00:20:26.960 can be defeated.
00:20:27.780 He has weaknesses.
00:20:28.920 If the economy goes south,
00:20:30.600 he'll really have weaknesses.
00:20:32.600 But does anyone really think
00:20:33.840 he can be defeated
00:20:34.560 by one of those people?
00:20:36.660 Seriously?
00:20:37.020 No, no chance.
00:20:38.620 We'll see tonight
00:20:39.220 if Biden or Sanders
00:20:40.640 or Buttigieg
00:20:41.640 can connect any better.
00:20:43.500 But otherwise,
00:20:44.160 I think President Trump
00:20:45.220 looking pretty good.
00:20:46.800 All right,
00:20:47.000 we got to bring on
00:20:47.620 my old pal,
00:20:49.000 Jameel Javani.
00:20:50.320 If you have not heard of Jameel,
00:20:52.500 he has an incredible life story.
00:20:54.320 He's genuinely
00:20:54.720 one of the most impressive people
00:20:55.960 I've ever met.
00:20:56.740 I met him when I was in college
00:20:57.860 and he was in law school.
00:20:59.260 So he was at actually
00:21:00.140 the top law school
00:21:01.000 in the country,
00:21:02.060 if not the world.
00:21:03.280 And he wasn't always
00:21:04.560 the top of his class.
00:21:05.780 He wasn't always
00:21:06.380 the sharpest guy
00:21:07.240 or the most applied guy.
00:21:10.400 He wasn't always
00:21:10.740 applying his intelligence.
00:21:12.260 He was actually declared
00:21:13.660 illiterate in high school,
00:21:15.760 raised without a father,
00:21:16.880 single mother.
00:21:17.940 He had been going down
00:21:18.940 the path toward crime,
00:21:21.000 path toward gangsterism.
00:21:23.380 And he was affiliated
00:21:25.320 with the Nation of Islam.
00:21:26.620 He was going down
00:21:27.020 these really dark ideologies,
00:21:28.540 these radical ideologies.
00:21:30.360 Then he turned his life around.
00:21:31.560 And he became,
00:21:33.100 when I was in school,
00:21:33.960 he was like the big man
00:21:35.060 on campus.
00:21:35.660 And he went on to be
00:21:37.140 the big man after campus.
00:21:39.840 An activist,
00:21:40.960 a lawyer,
00:21:41.640 a published author,
00:21:42.480 the author of an excellent
00:21:44.000 new book,
00:21:44.880 Why Young Men.
00:21:47.060 Jameel,
00:21:47.440 thanks for being here.
00:21:48.780 Thanks for having me,
00:21:49.520 Michael.
00:21:49.880 And thanks for the
00:21:50.600 very kind introduction.
00:21:52.360 I appreciate it.
00:21:53.180 I got to tell you,
00:21:54.260 pal,
00:21:54.660 you are by far
00:21:56.800 one of the most,
00:21:57.480 if not the most impressive guy
00:21:58.900 I met during my entire time
00:22:00.180 in college.
00:22:00.600 And you've gone on
00:22:01.700 to impress all of us
00:22:02.920 even more in your life
00:22:04.100 after law school.
00:22:05.460 I loved this book.
00:22:07.060 Very interesting.
00:22:07.900 I didn't agree with everything
00:22:08.900 or I wasn't totally
00:22:09.840 convinced by it.
00:22:10.760 But I thought you made
00:22:11.480 a great case.
00:22:12.840 You weighed
00:22:13.880 a lot of different sides
00:22:15.700 of all of these arguments.
00:22:17.000 The question you ask
00:22:17.960 is why young men?
00:22:19.600 The dangerous allure
00:22:20.800 of violent movements
00:22:22.140 and what we can do about it.
00:22:23.660 So I have to ask you
00:22:24.660 for all the listeners,
00:22:26.340 why young men?
00:22:28.100 Yeah.
00:22:28.520 Well,
00:22:28.900 what I try to do in the book
00:22:29.940 is show how the
00:22:31.060 expert way
00:22:33.040 that violent movements
00:22:34.160 or radical ideologies
00:22:35.420 are able to speak
00:22:36.420 to the anger
00:22:37.700 and frustration
00:22:38.540 that a lot of young men feel.
00:22:40.320 And it's a sort of
00:22:41.640 teenage or,
00:22:42.600 you know,
00:22:42.880 early 20-year-old angst
00:22:44.540 that I think everyone
00:22:45.580 relates to in some way.
00:22:46.820 I mean,
00:22:46.980 most people,
00:22:47.560 if you ask them
00:22:48.060 to look back at pictures
00:22:49.120 from high school,
00:22:50.400 they shudder to think
00:22:51.740 about what they were like
00:22:52.580 back then.
00:22:53.440 But what these groups
00:22:54.180 do really well
00:22:54.840 is they reach young men
00:22:55.920 and politicize those feelings
00:22:57.700 and make you feel like
00:22:58.620 there's someone
00:22:59.180 you need to hate,
00:23:00.440 there's someone
00:23:00.860 you need to be resentful toward,
00:23:02.500 and that you should adopt
00:23:04.020 a purpose and a mission
00:23:06.300 that is going to let you
00:23:07.320 act on the feelings
00:23:08.500 that you have.
00:23:09.560 And that brotherhood
00:23:11.840 they offer,
00:23:12.460 that camaraderie
00:23:13.260 they offer
00:23:13.820 in sharing that purpose
00:23:15.440 and mission
00:23:15.900 is what I think
00:23:16.640 they do very effectively.
00:23:18.000 And what I explore
00:23:18.700 in the book
00:23:19.080 is how they're doing
00:23:20.140 it more effectively
00:23:20.860 for a lot of young men
00:23:21.920 than schools are
00:23:22.780 or churches are
00:23:23.680 or out-of-touch
00:23:24.820 public institutions
00:23:26.040 that we trust
00:23:26.800 to reach our young people
00:23:27.940 too often
00:23:28.760 they're just not doing
00:23:29.540 that very well.
00:23:30.440 How did you turn
00:23:31.200 your life around?
00:23:32.140 I know a little bit
00:23:33.200 of the answer to this.
00:23:34.920 You raised without a father,
00:23:37.760 illiterate,
00:23:38.500 listening to Louis Farrakhan,
00:23:40.220 one of the worst voices
00:23:41.300 in the whole world,
00:23:42.500 and then you become
00:23:43.640 this total model
00:23:46.520 for young men to follow.
00:23:48.280 What changed?
00:23:50.480 Well, a lot of it for me
00:23:51.760 came down to failing
00:23:53.440 at doing the wrong things,
00:23:55.960 right?
00:23:56.200 So I tried to be a gangster.
00:23:58.140 I wanted to drop out of school.
00:23:59.640 That plan didn't work out for me
00:24:01.380 in large part
00:24:02.360 because even though
00:24:03.840 I was going through
00:24:04.740 a lot of difficulty
00:24:05.940 in my life
00:24:06.600 and I didn't have
00:24:07.120 a great relationship
00:24:07.900 with my mom,
00:24:08.680 she was still in my life.
00:24:09.880 And I think having her there,
00:24:11.500 even when we didn't know
00:24:12.360 how to talk to each other,
00:24:13.540 meant a lot.
00:24:14.800 Jordan Peterson
00:24:15.580 refers to this
00:24:16.980 as like having a light
00:24:17.980 at the end of the tunnel.
00:24:19.280 And I think my mom
00:24:20.080 played that role for me.
00:24:21.540 So when the moments came
00:24:22.560 where I almost bought a gun
00:24:23.740 or I almost dropped out of school,
00:24:25.120 I almost gave up on myself,
00:24:26.620 I had that light
00:24:27.660 where I was like,
00:24:28.340 you know,
00:24:28.700 maybe there is someone
00:24:29.840 to disappoint.
00:24:31.000 There is someone
00:24:31.540 who thinks higher of me
00:24:32.680 than I think of myself.
00:24:34.260 And having that person
00:24:35.320 meant a world of difference.
00:24:37.120 So when the time came
00:24:38.120 where I exposed myself
00:24:39.360 as not able to live up
00:24:40.860 to my tough guy bravado
00:24:43.200 and my gangster fairy tales,
00:24:45.340 I lost all my friends overnight.
00:24:47.400 I mean,
00:24:47.720 I knew that they think
00:24:49.120 I was a chicken
00:24:50.440 and a punk
00:24:51.220 and much more vulgar words
00:24:53.000 than that.
00:24:53.760 And I had to,
00:24:55.200 you know,
00:24:55.600 change my social circle.
00:24:57.300 And it's a hard thing
00:24:58.060 for anyone of any age to do.
00:25:00.100 I'm not sure
00:25:00.600 I would have been able
00:25:01.240 to do it deliberately.
00:25:02.400 I did it without even realizing
00:25:03.920 that's what was happening.
00:25:05.280 But when I changed
00:25:05.980 my social circle,
00:25:07.120 I finished up high school,
00:25:08.420 went on to community college,
00:25:09.840 had a whole host
00:25:10.780 of different people
00:25:11.420 in my life.
00:25:12.420 All of a sudden,
00:25:13.160 I was starting to think
00:25:14.080 and feel like a different person.
00:25:15.620 And over time,
00:25:16.540 that made a world of difference.
00:25:17.900 Well,
00:25:18.280 and you mention in the book
00:25:19.520 how just that act
00:25:22.180 of committing yourself
00:25:23.660 a little bit more
00:25:24.520 to mainstream society.
00:25:25.920 So you're not just
00:25:26.520 hanging around on the street
00:25:27.540 with a bunch of criminals anymore.
00:25:29.200 You're going to community college.
00:25:31.140 You're investing yourself
00:25:33.500 into the mainstream.
00:25:35.080 And that leads you
00:25:36.080 even more
00:25:37.180 to invest yourself
00:25:38.320 into the mainstream of society.
00:25:39.980 How do these young men
00:25:41.020 get isolated
00:25:41.840 in the first place?
00:25:43.260 And in a culture
00:25:44.080 where we have
00:25:44.640 declining religious institutions,
00:25:46.280 declining civic participation,
00:25:49.260 in some communities
00:25:50.780 declining fatherhood,
00:25:52.360 how do we pull them back
00:25:53.700 from that isolation
00:25:54.580 and get them a little,
00:25:56.500 even to begin
00:25:57.540 to be invested
00:25:58.340 in the mainstream of society?
00:26:00.800 Yeah.
00:26:01.100 So the different kind
00:26:01.920 of violent movements
00:26:02.580 I talk about,
00:26:03.280 the gangs,
00:26:04.060 the terror cells,
00:26:05.400 the extremist networks online,
00:26:07.580 what I think
00:26:08.240 they share in common
00:26:09.680 is an ability
00:26:10.660 to communicate
00:26:12.220 to young men
00:26:13.120 that your frustrations
00:26:14.340 are not your fault.
00:26:15.240 And so whatever
00:26:16.220 unhappiness
00:26:17.980 and dissatisfaction
00:26:19.000 you feel at home
00:26:20.180 or with your school
00:26:20.920 or your job
00:26:21.660 or life is not
00:26:22.640 what you wish it was
00:26:23.720 in some way,
00:26:24.540 you're able to then see
00:26:25.760 that as, you know,
00:26:26.960 quote unquote,
00:26:27.480 mainstream society's fault.
00:26:28.980 It's rigged against me.
00:26:30.120 I'm not supposed
00:26:30.700 to be successful.
00:26:31.900 And that ideology
00:26:33.260 is really at the core of it
00:26:35.000 because what that leads to
00:26:36.120 is a certain kind
00:26:36.920 of moral relativism, right?
00:26:38.780 Where you can say,
00:26:39.920 yes, I know
00:26:40.580 I shouldn't shoot people.
00:26:42.440 I know I shouldn't hate people.
00:26:43.860 But for me, it's okay
00:26:45.440 because my life
00:26:46.340 is particularly unfair
00:26:47.800 because the deck
00:26:48.860 is stacked against me
00:26:50.040 in a way it isn't
00:26:50.700 for other people.
00:26:51.800 So I get to live
00:26:52.560 by a different code of conduct.
00:26:54.400 And when you start
00:26:54.920 to think that way,
00:26:55.840 you're really developing
00:26:57.020 an antisocial compass
00:26:59.180 for the world.
00:27:00.000 I mean, it's even hard
00:27:01.080 to see it in the moment
00:27:02.120 until you get those flashes
00:27:03.580 where you realize,
00:27:04.820 hey, the way I look
00:27:05.520 in someone else's eyes,
00:27:06.700 like I look like a monster
00:27:07.720 and I didn't even realize
00:27:08.740 that's what I was
00:27:09.460 turning myself into.
00:27:10.920 I think about it as,
00:27:12.420 you know,
00:27:12.560 I use the example
00:27:13.260 in the book
00:27:13.720 of when I saw
00:27:14.220 one of my closest friends
00:27:15.580 appear in a Crime Stoppers
00:27:17.020 press release
00:27:17.780 and it was just like
00:27:18.880 seeing the way
00:27:19.420 he was talked about
00:27:20.400 and the way
00:27:20.920 he was characterized,
00:27:22.060 it just dawned on me
00:27:23.160 like, man,
00:27:23.500 what have we become?
00:27:24.620 We've become these guys
00:27:25.920 who go out
00:27:26.320 and fight on the street
00:27:27.380 and we treat women badly
00:27:28.740 and we're angry
00:27:29.860 and we cuss all day
00:27:31.500 and we glorify drug dealers.
00:27:33.780 But it also happens
00:27:34.800 in other contexts
00:27:35.580 where you have like
00:27:36.240 even that Charlottesville rally,
00:27:38.820 you know,
00:27:39.020 the Unite the Right rally
00:27:39.820 a couple of years ago.
00:27:40.640 The young guys
00:27:41.920 who wound up in that rally
00:27:43.060 who, you know,
00:27:43.580 had their pictures taken,
00:27:44.620 the UVA students and stuff,
00:27:46.320 I think that was
00:27:47.020 a real shocker for them
00:27:47.960 when they saw
00:27:48.640 what it would look like
00:27:49.800 to be presented
00:27:50.580 as part of that kind of a group
00:27:52.020 and they were like,
00:27:52.580 oh, that's not
00:27:53.500 how I thought
00:27:54.480 I was coming across, right?
00:27:55.780 Like it's that moment
00:27:57.540 where you realize
00:27:58.460 how you are perceived
00:27:59.860 by others
00:28:00.440 and that moral relativism
00:28:01.900 starts to break down
00:28:03.080 where I think you have
00:28:04.220 those moments
00:28:04.940 for transformation
00:28:06.040 and real transformation
00:28:08.060 becomes possible.
00:28:08.940 You know,
00:28:09.720 the argument
00:28:10.320 we've been hearing
00:28:10.980 from the left
00:28:12.040 for a long time
00:28:12.960 on how people
00:28:14.560 get radicalized
00:28:15.640 into ISIS
00:28:16.260 or radical Islam
00:28:17.340 or whatever
00:28:17.800 is like Barack Obama
00:28:19.480 would say,
00:28:19.920 well, it's because
00:28:20.320 they don't have jobs.
00:28:21.580 It's because they're poor.
00:28:22.960 You need to give them
00:28:23.460 economic or material opportunity
00:28:25.200 and then they won't
00:28:25.840 be radicalized.
00:28:26.980 And in some cases,
00:28:27.900 as you show in the book,
00:28:28.920 there seems to be
00:28:29.460 evidence of that.
00:28:30.400 In other cases,
00:28:31.340 it's middle class kids,
00:28:32.500 it's rich kids,
00:28:33.400 it's not,
00:28:34.760 the economic forces
00:28:36.120 don't explain it.
00:28:37.360 What is the,
00:28:39.220 what do you think
00:28:39.880 is the relationship here
00:28:41.140 between economic factors
00:28:43.020 and cultural factors
00:28:44.780 like fatherlessness
00:28:45.800 and ideological factors,
00:28:48.300 the actual ideology
00:28:50.260 of the radical movements
00:28:51.700 themselves?
00:28:52.620 What,
00:28:53.140 which are having
00:28:54.520 the biggest influences
00:28:55.500 on young men?
00:28:57.480 Yeah,
00:28:57.980 I think a lot of young men,
00:28:59.600 more than any other group
00:29:01.100 of people
00:29:01.820 in, you know,
00:29:02.440 kind of the human population,
00:29:03.680 are driven by a desire
00:29:05.940 for admiration
00:29:06.780 and respect.
00:29:08.100 They want to feel
00:29:09.020 respected,
00:29:10.340 appreciated,
00:29:11.080 they want to feel strong.
00:29:12.540 I think we often
00:29:13.660 react very poorly
00:29:14.780 to paternalism,
00:29:16.020 for example.
00:29:16.720 We don't like to feel
00:29:17.680 people to pity us,
00:29:19.400 right?
00:29:20.040 And so when you're
00:29:21.060 looking for that status,
00:29:22.460 you're,
00:29:23.160 you know,
00:29:23.900 poverty is a significant
00:29:25.180 barrier to that,
00:29:26.100 of course.
00:29:26.560 I mean,
00:29:26.720 there's a way to feel
00:29:27.460 alienated by your society
00:29:28.840 because you're like,
00:29:29.820 hey,
00:29:29.960 I'm broke.
00:29:30.760 I don't think I'm ever
00:29:31.500 going to not be broke
00:29:32.340 and I'm mad about that.
00:29:33.620 But you could think
00:29:34.260 of that status
00:29:34.920 as being elusive
00:29:35.780 to people in a lot
00:29:36.700 of other circumstances
00:29:37.500 as well.
00:29:38.240 I mean,
00:29:38.400 you could be a middle
00:29:39.080 class kid with,
00:29:40.180 you know,
00:29:40.300 like a lot of the
00:29:41.000 young men who left
00:29:42.060 the United Kingdom
00:29:42.820 to join ISIS,
00:29:43.720 for example,
00:29:44.580 were university graduates.
00:29:46.040 I mean,
00:29:46.200 they weren't lacking
00:29:47.060 for opportunity,
00:29:48.600 but in their mind,
00:29:49.680 because of their religion
00:29:50.720 or because of their identity,
00:29:51.960 they still couldn't get
00:29:53.140 status in the United Kingdom.
00:29:54.940 They were being held back
00:29:55.940 because they were part
00:29:57.000 of this persecuted
00:29:57.900 minority group in the West.
00:30:00.060 And so status
00:30:00.760 is still something
00:30:01.480 they're seeking,
00:30:01.980 even though economics
00:30:03.060 might not be the barrier
00:30:04.160 to that status.
00:30:05.700 It's the same thing
00:30:06.400 I try to explain
00:30:07.120 to people who use
00:30:08.000 the term white privilege
00:30:09.040 a lot,
00:30:09.500 for example,
00:30:10.380 because when I say,
00:30:11.560 you know,
00:30:12.400 the reason I think
00:30:13.260 a young white man
00:30:14.340 might be drawn
00:30:15.000 to a white nationalist
00:30:16.220 organization
00:30:16.780 is not very different
00:30:18.020 from why a young Muslim
00:30:19.040 man might be drawn
00:30:19.760 to ISIS.
00:30:20.660 They say,
00:30:21.200 but the white guy's privileged.
00:30:22.420 Why would he feel
00:30:23.140 alienated in the West,
00:30:24.420 right?
00:30:24.660 I mean,
00:30:24.860 look,
00:30:25.060 his people,
00:30:26.120 they have all the jobs,
00:30:27.180 they have all the money,
00:30:27.860 they're all the politicians,
00:30:28.940 blah, blah, blah.
00:30:29.560 And my answer is,
00:30:30.960 well,
00:30:31.160 a lot of it is actually
00:30:32.100 about his own vision
00:30:33.600 of what status looks like.
00:30:34.880 And if he feels
00:30:35.620 like he's being excluded,
00:30:37.040 even though you might
00:30:37.880 not think that
00:30:38.500 because you're judging him
00:30:39.480 based on his race,
00:30:40.660 it doesn't mean
00:30:41.040 that that's how he feels.
00:30:42.360 And understanding
00:30:42.960 how he feels
00:30:43.580 is really the point
00:30:44.400 because you can have
00:30:45.520 all your own ideas
00:30:46.400 about how people
00:30:47.200 are supposed to feel
00:30:48.220 because of their race
00:30:49.520 or their economic status
00:30:50.740 or whatever it might be.
00:30:52.240 But if that's not
00:30:53.100 how they see themselves,
00:30:54.040 then, you know,
00:30:54.760 your theory doesn't
00:30:55.540 actually make a difference,
00:30:56.500 right?
00:30:56.840 And that's a hard message
00:30:58.100 for a lot of people
00:30:58.840 to accept.
00:30:59.440 I think one of the things
00:31:00.700 in the book
00:31:01.040 I get the most pushback on,
00:31:02.920 especially for more liberal
00:31:04.120 or left-leaning audiences,
00:31:05.640 is my desire to include
00:31:07.800 white young men
00:31:08.880 in the conversation.
00:31:09.980 And I conclude the book
00:31:11.040 even criticizing
00:31:11.880 President Obama's
00:31:13.020 My Brother's Keeper initiative
00:31:14.300 for purposely excluding
00:31:16.380 white men.
00:31:17.420 Every other group
00:31:18.240 of men in America
00:31:19.060 was included
00:31:19.980 in that initiative
00:31:20.680 except for white men.
00:31:21.660 And I think it was
00:31:22.360 a huge mistake
00:31:23.060 because there are
00:31:24.280 so many more things
00:31:25.220 we have in common
00:31:26.080 than different.
00:31:27.240 And that desire for status
00:31:28.500 is what we all share,
00:31:29.820 I think.
00:31:30.400 Yeah, absolutely right.
00:31:32.280 I think that analysis
00:31:33.080 is so right.
00:31:34.180 It's pretty bold of you
00:31:35.660 because I know that
00:31:37.100 you'll get a lot of pushback
00:31:38.840 on the left for that.
00:31:39.700 But it's a really
00:31:40.540 compelling analysis.
00:31:42.180 And I really enjoyed the book.
00:31:43.740 Obviously, you are
00:31:44.880 one of the sharpest guys
00:31:45.840 I know,
00:31:46.240 so I highly recommend
00:31:47.260 everyone go out
00:31:48.320 and get
00:31:48.540 Why Young Men?
00:31:50.140 The Dangerous Allure
00:31:51.300 of Violent Movements
00:31:52.540 and What We Can Do About It.
00:31:54.540 It's really terrific.
00:31:55.660 I read it in one sitting.
00:31:56.840 I couldn't put it down.
00:31:57.880 And so much of it
00:31:58.700 is because of
00:31:59.380 your personal story
00:32:01.320 that is interwoven
00:32:02.320 throughout the argument.
00:32:03.360 It's just really well done,
00:32:04.480 my friend.
00:32:05.220 I can't wait to
00:32:06.120 read your next book
00:32:07.420 and see you sometime
00:32:08.080 in the meantime.
00:32:09.300 Where can people find you,
00:32:10.340 by the way?
00:32:11.360 I'm on Twitter
00:32:12.080 at Jamil Javani,
00:32:13.560 also Instagram,
00:32:14.500 also Facebook.
00:32:16.160 Yeah, and, you know,
00:32:17.500 I appreciate you having me
00:32:18.560 on the show, Michael.
00:32:19.440 It's great to reconnect
00:32:20.460 and I'm glad
00:32:21.440 you enjoyed the book.
00:32:22.420 Absolutely.
00:32:22.960 All right, Jamil,
00:32:23.520 thanks so much for coming on.
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00:33:11.100 First question from Matthew.
00:33:14.220 Michael, ex-Lothario
00:33:15.900 of the Daily Wire.
00:33:17.740 I just started doing,
00:33:19.040 just started seeing
00:33:20.000 a conservative girl
00:33:21.480 and I'd like your advice.
00:33:23.560 We've been on two dates
00:33:24.560 and I'm wondering
00:33:25.360 at what point
00:33:26.240 should I attempt to kiss her?
00:33:27.640 Is there a general
00:33:28.780 guideline on this?
00:33:29.960 How do you know
00:33:30.540 when it is a good time
00:33:31.600 to go in for the first kiss?
00:33:33.420 What telltale signs
00:33:34.720 do most women give off
00:33:36.300 that they,
00:33:37.160 that indicate
00:33:37.680 that they would like
00:33:38.520 to be kissed?
00:33:39.420 Best wishes
00:33:40.200 and keep up the good work.
00:33:41.880 Matt.
00:33:43.080 These days,
00:33:44.340 I believe the telltale sign
00:33:45.820 you're looking for
00:33:46.480 is a notarized contract
00:33:47.940 witnessed by about
00:33:48.860 seven people
00:33:49.620 and stamped by a judge.
00:33:51.600 Traditionally, however,
00:33:52.980 you've been on two dates,
00:33:55.400 so now,
00:33:56.020 you should do it now
00:33:56.700 or yesterday.
00:33:59.460 The telltale signs
00:34:01.180 that she wants you
00:34:02.400 to kiss her
00:34:02.900 are that she's gone
00:34:03.580 on two dates with you.
00:34:05.060 Guys are very stupid
00:34:06.080 about this.
00:34:06.660 I don't mean to single you out,
00:34:08.160 but people,
00:34:08.720 guys get this wrong
00:34:09.420 all the time.
00:34:09.820 They get shy,
00:34:10.460 they get nervous,
00:34:11.100 they overthink it.
00:34:11.960 They say,
00:34:12.260 oh, I don't know
00:34:12.680 if she really wants me to.
00:34:13.880 One time on one
00:34:14.600 of my early dates
00:34:15.280 with sweet little Elisa,
00:34:16.820 we were like 16 or something,
00:34:18.660 I had my arm around her
00:34:19.920 kind of cuddling up
00:34:20.760 watching a movie
00:34:21.440 and I was thinking,
00:34:22.140 I was like,
00:34:22.340 oh, does she want me
00:34:23.120 to kiss her?
00:34:23.900 Like, I don't know, idiot.
00:34:24.740 She's sitting with you
00:34:25.480 and you got your arm around her
00:34:26.460 and you're like,
00:34:27.080 duh, what else are you going to do?
00:34:28.880 Are you going to play Yahtzee?
00:34:29.760 No.
00:34:31.040 So these guys get very nervous
00:34:33.100 and they shy and everything.
00:34:35.900 So very often guys think
00:34:37.960 that if they make a move
00:34:39.740 too soon,
00:34:40.560 it's going to ruin things.
00:34:41.560 It's going to be
00:34:41.940 too presumptuous.
00:34:43.220 They think the bigger risk
00:34:44.440 is to make a move too soon.
00:34:45.980 The far greater risk
00:34:48.060 is not making a move
00:34:49.520 and seeming too timid.
00:34:51.500 You're on the date.
00:34:52.420 You've gone on two dates.
00:34:53.220 You've gone on three dates.
00:34:54.100 Whatever.
00:34:55.600 She's there.
00:34:56.340 The purpose of going on dates
00:34:57.440 is to get a little smooch
00:34:58.680 at the end.
00:34:59.980 Go for it.
00:35:01.260 Kiss the girl.
00:35:01.960 And if she rejects you,
00:35:03.480 too bad.
00:35:04.080 And you go on a date
00:35:05.100 with another girl.
00:35:06.240 From Ryan.
00:35:07.760 Hi, Michael.
00:35:08.440 I just started a new job
00:35:09.780 as an accounting manager
00:35:10.780 and my company
00:35:11.580 is doing a gay pride event
00:35:13.320 this month.
00:35:14.400 Everyone on my team
00:35:15.400 has said they're going,
00:35:16.880 but I do not feel comfortable
00:35:18.100 celebrating something
00:35:19.000 that I consider to be a sin.
00:35:21.100 Should I just go
00:35:21.940 and hold my tongue
00:35:22.940 for appearance sake?
00:35:24.380 I feel like if I don't go,
00:35:25.720 I'm running the risk
00:35:27.120 of offending my new team
00:35:28.360 and starting unwanted
00:35:29.460 religious and political
00:35:30.520 conversations at work.
00:35:32.820 Yeah, well,
00:35:33.220 you won't be starting
00:35:34.180 the unwanted political
00:35:36.300 and religious conversations.
00:35:38.300 Your teammates
00:35:39.220 and your colleagues
00:35:40.100 are starting that
00:35:41.040 by inviting you
00:35:42.120 to a gay pride parade.
00:35:44.820 I mean, pride.
00:35:45.780 Forget the gay part.
00:35:46.740 Pride is the deadliest sin.
00:35:47.980 It's the queen of all sins.
00:35:49.140 I don't celebrate pride
00:35:51.900 at all, ever.
00:35:53.260 Gay pride,
00:35:54.040 straight pride,
00:35:54.940 asexual pride.
00:35:55.800 Pride is not a good thing
00:35:56.620 to celebrate.
00:35:57.940 So, if I were you,
00:35:59.280 I wouldn't go.
00:36:00.680 Depends what kind of man
00:36:01.580 you want to be.
00:36:02.120 Are you going to be
00:36:02.540 the kind of guy
00:36:03.180 who is going to compromise
00:36:05.760 on your morals
00:36:07.200 and go celebrate
00:36:08.060 something you don't want
00:36:08.780 to celebrate
00:36:09.240 and you think is wrong
00:36:10.440 and immoral?
00:36:11.700 Or not?
00:36:12.460 What I would do is
00:36:13.400 I wouldn't stand up
00:36:15.760 and make a speech
00:36:16.520 and I'm not sure
00:36:17.800 exactly if you're
00:36:18.500 objecting to the
00:36:19.740 gay stuff
00:36:21.140 or the pride stuff
00:36:22.120 or both of it
00:36:22.740 but I wouldn't get up there
00:36:24.000 and, you know,
00:36:24.780 like have your
00:36:25.420 Westboro Baptist Church
00:36:26.680 signs or something
00:36:27.920 make some grand declaration.
00:36:29.700 I would just say,
00:36:30.120 oh yeah, I'm busy.
00:36:32.200 What are you busy doing?
00:36:33.200 Anything else?
00:36:34.340 That's what I would do.
00:36:35.000 I wouldn't go.
00:36:35.980 I wouldn't make
00:36:36.740 a big deal about it
00:36:37.640 and you're right,
00:36:38.620 they're probably going to,
00:36:40.100 some of the more
00:36:40.660 left-wing aggressive people
00:36:42.260 are probably going to
00:36:43.020 make a big deal
00:36:43.620 out of it.
00:36:44.000 That's the cost
00:36:45.920 of having beliefs
00:36:47.180 and standing up for them.
00:36:49.360 It's so inappropriate
00:36:50.380 that the left does this.
00:36:52.180 The right doesn't
00:36:53.140 get to do this.
00:36:54.840 Even,
00:36:55.280 forget traditional
00:36:56.340 religion or Christianity,
00:36:58.280 even on civic religion,
00:36:59.720 even say,
00:37:00.200 hey,
00:37:00.840 we're going out
00:37:01.380 to the 4th of July parade
00:37:02.500 and we're going to
00:37:02.860 shoot off fireworks
00:37:03.620 and wave the American flag
00:37:04.860 and sing God bless America.
00:37:06.000 You guys want to all come out?
00:37:07.620 That would be a
00:37:08.440 much more acceptable
00:37:10.000 thing to say, right?
00:37:10.860 We're all part of
00:37:11.460 this American nation.
00:37:12.520 We're all supposed to
00:37:13.260 believe in America
00:37:14.000 and love America.
00:37:15.060 But if you said that
00:37:15.880 at your office,
00:37:16.520 you'd be brought into HR
00:37:17.700 saying you can't bring
00:37:18.940 politics into the office.
00:37:20.580 But if people are
00:37:21.520 inviting you to a
00:37:22.140 gay pride parade,
00:37:23.260 you almost have to go.
00:37:25.120 It's almost mandatory.
00:37:26.360 I would,
00:37:26.900 I would stand firm,
00:37:28.280 not do it.
00:37:29.400 But then you got to
00:37:30.700 accept the consequences.
00:37:31.680 I've had professional
00:37:32.340 consequences for
00:37:33.160 standing up for things.
00:37:33.980 If you're unwilling
00:37:35.120 or unable to make
00:37:36.300 those sacrifices
00:37:37.140 or hold the risk
00:37:38.880 of those sacrifices,
00:37:40.040 then you're in a tough spot.
00:37:41.800 From Valentino,
00:37:44.120 Oh,
00:37:44.440 knowledgeable,
00:37:45.220 former,
00:37:45.900 future press secretary
00:37:47.460 Michael Knowles,
00:37:48.460 in regard to the
00:37:49.880 flag burning amendment,
00:37:51.040 I've been on team
00:37:51.860 Knowles until I thought
00:37:53.920 about the conflict
00:37:54.620 it will have
00:37:55.260 with the first amendment.
00:37:56.760 Given the proposed
00:37:57.580 amendment,
00:37:58.480 what would be
00:37:59.220 the constitutionality
00:38:00.500 of flag burning
00:38:01.440 in a film?
00:38:03.020 Would love to have
00:38:03.720 your thoughts on this,
00:38:04.600 Valentino.
00:38:06.060 Hashtag,
00:38:06.920 came for Ben,
00:38:07.680 stayed for future
00:38:08.560 former press secretary
00:38:09.780 Knowles.
00:38:10.140 Thank you.
00:38:12.380 There's this proposal
00:38:13.380 from Steve Daines
00:38:14.600 to create an amendment
00:38:16.080 to the constitution
00:38:16.920 to make it unlawful
00:38:19.000 to burn a flag,
00:38:20.840 the American flag,
00:38:21.580 to desecrate
00:38:22.240 the American flag.
00:38:23.420 Right now,
00:38:24.480 the first amendment
00:38:25.040 protects flag
00:38:27.060 of desecration,
00:38:28.060 so if you pass
00:38:28.800 an amendment,
00:38:29.720 you no longer have
00:38:30.400 that constitutional issue.
00:38:31.780 I think I'm the only
00:38:32.700 conservative commentator
00:38:34.240 who supports the idea
00:38:35.960 of this amendment,
00:38:37.060 of this flag burning amendment.
00:38:38.080 All the rest are saying,
00:38:39.060 no,
00:38:39.740 free speech,
00:38:40.440 the founders would have
00:38:41.220 loved to burn
00:38:41.800 American flags.
00:38:42.880 I see no evidence
00:38:44.140 of that at all,
00:38:45.440 but you bring up
00:38:47.620 a great objection,
00:38:48.500 which is,
00:38:49.380 what if you're making
00:38:50.100 a work of art
00:38:50.860 where you have
00:38:52.640 to burn a flag?
00:38:54.320 Well,
00:38:55.140 how about rape?
00:38:57.580 Rape is illegal,
00:38:59.340 as it should be,
00:39:00.500 and yet there are
00:39:01.240 rape scenes in movies.
00:39:02.900 How do they do
00:39:03.480 the rape scenes?
00:39:04.220 They fake it.
00:39:04.820 So you could easily
00:39:06.940 fake burning a flag
00:39:08.260 in a movie.
00:39:09.580 With CGI,
00:39:10.480 you could easily do it.
00:39:11.320 Most times,
00:39:11.900 people light things
00:39:12.580 on fire in movies,
00:39:13.800 they do it by CGI anyway.
00:39:16.260 That's one way to fake it.
00:39:18.560 Now,
00:39:19.080 another way to fake it,
00:39:20.520 because an objection
00:39:21.380 to that,
00:39:21.820 I guess,
00:39:22.120 would be,
00:39:22.940 if you're even faking it,
00:39:24.980 you are desecrating
00:39:26.060 the flag,
00:39:26.580 you are burning the flag.
00:39:27.640 I don't think
00:39:28.080 that's really true.
00:39:30.020 You can,
00:39:30.800 if you draw an image
00:39:31.880 of a flag on fire,
00:39:33.240 that's not the same thing
00:39:35.020 as setting a flag on fire.
00:39:36.800 If you have a film
00:39:37.580 that shows a flag on fire,
00:39:39.100 that's not the same thing
00:39:40.200 as when you were filming it
00:39:42.160 actually setting the flag on fire.
00:39:44.500 But,
00:39:45.100 moreover,
00:39:45.580 you could fake it
00:39:46.160 in other ways.
00:39:47.040 You could be missing
00:39:48.100 one star.
00:39:49.820 You could be missing
00:39:50.740 one stripe.
00:39:51.960 You could have the colors
00:39:52.700 a little off or something.
00:39:54.060 You could fake it that way.
00:39:55.320 So you're actually
00:39:55.920 burning something,
00:39:56.700 but it's only got 49 stars.
00:39:58.520 You might say,
00:39:59.120 this is really trivial.
00:40:00.660 This is a distinction
00:40:01.380 without a difference.
00:40:02.640 No,
00:40:02.860 it's not.
00:40:04.200 You are,
00:40:05.280 you want to,
00:40:06.100 first of all,
00:40:07.220 when you act,
00:40:08.140 when you make a film
00:40:08.860 or you do a play,
00:40:09.640 you are pretending.
00:40:11.160 You're not really,
00:40:12.060 you know,
00:40:12.300 there's that great clip
00:40:13.220 of Ian McKellum
00:40:13.900 on extras.
00:40:14.880 He goes,
00:40:15.300 how do you act so well?
00:40:16.480 And I,
00:40:17.080 well,
00:40:17.360 what I do is I,
00:40:18.500 I say my lines
00:40:19.940 that they write down
00:40:20.900 in the script.
00:40:21.660 And then I walk to the place
00:40:22.920 where they tell me to be.
00:40:24.320 When I'm Gandalf,
00:40:25.380 I'm not really Gandalf.
00:40:27.340 I'm Sir Ian.
00:40:28.640 But I'm pretending
00:40:29.800 to be Gandalf the wizard.
00:40:32.340 That's the same thing.
00:40:33.140 You could pretend
00:40:33.900 to burn an American flag,
00:40:36.020 which is quite different.
00:40:38.180 That would be a distinction
00:40:40.080 that I think
00:40:40.740 wouldn't affect
00:40:41.780 the quality of art
00:40:42.800 at all
00:40:43.580 and also
00:40:44.580 would maintain
00:40:46.320 the sacred,
00:40:47.300 which is the purpose
00:40:47.960 of the flag burning amendment.
00:40:49.880 As a,
00:40:50.540 for a nation to thrive
00:40:51.900 and have some coherence
00:40:53.260 and cohesion,
00:40:54.300 you need to have
00:40:55.460 some sense
00:40:56.640 of the sacred,
00:40:57.680 some sanctity
00:40:58.880 around the nation itself.
00:41:00.980 And that,
00:41:01.220 that is the purpose
00:41:01.920 of an anti-flag burning
00:41:03.360 or anti-flag desecration amendment.
00:41:05.380 You would still
00:41:06.160 be able to preserve that
00:41:07.300 if you faked
00:41:08.220 the burning
00:41:08.600 in other ways.
00:41:09.300 The other aspect
00:41:10.060 of this for film
00:41:11.020 is back when
00:41:12.920 we had limits
00:41:13.700 on what you could film,
00:41:14.940 we had committees
00:41:16.000 deciding
00:41:16.800 what could be censored,
00:41:17.920 what could be shown,
00:41:18.680 what couldn't be shown.
00:41:19.800 The movies were better.
00:41:20.860 You had some
00:41:21.160 of the greatest movies
00:41:22.040 ever made
00:41:22.720 while there was censorship.
00:41:26.420 Gone with the Wind,
00:41:27.760 Wizard of Oz,
00:41:28.620 Wuthering Heights,
00:41:30.300 all,
00:41:30.780 I mean,
00:41:30.980 you could go on
00:41:31.640 and on and on.
00:41:33.620 Why is that?
00:41:34.500 It's because constraints
00:41:35.700 breed creativity.
00:41:37.180 What the postmodern
00:41:38.280 wacky people think
00:41:39.800 is that
00:41:40.560 you only get creativity
00:41:41.660 when you get rid
00:41:42.260 of constraints,
00:41:42.860 but that's not true.
00:41:43.520 It's why
00:41:43.880 spoken word poetry
00:41:45.620 is the death of art,
00:41:46.960 slam poetry,
00:41:48.120 while Shakespeare,
00:41:49.540 who's writing
00:41:49.960 with a ton of constraints,
00:41:51.320 I mean,
00:41:51.580 meter constraints,
00:41:52.780 length constraints,
00:41:53.560 the constraints of the sonnet,
00:41:54.900 is writing the greatest poetry
00:41:56.040 in the history
00:41:56.500 of the English language.
00:41:57.220 The constraints
00:41:58.580 breed the creativity.
00:41:59.860 This happened in film already,
00:42:01.380 and if we have
00:42:02.740 this one particular
00:42:04.900 constraint on film,
00:42:06.840 which would be
00:42:07.460 you can't actually
00:42:08.740 set a flag on fire
00:42:09.800 while you burn it,
00:42:10.920 I don't see any reason
00:42:12.440 why the principle
00:42:12.940 wouldn't hold there too.
00:42:14.260 From Noah,
00:42:15.320 hello,
00:42:16.160 me and a friend
00:42:16.900 were having an argument
00:42:17.840 about college debt forgiveness.
00:42:19.380 I told him
00:42:19.800 college education
00:42:20.580 was not a right,
00:42:22.120 and the government's job
00:42:23.120 is to protect
00:42:23.800 civil liberties
00:42:24.600 and defend
00:42:25.520 individual freedom.
00:42:26.500 He said that
00:42:27.620 inalienable rights
00:42:28.680 only exist
00:42:29.420 because some people
00:42:30.400 came up with them
00:42:31.560 and they can therefore
00:42:32.500 be added to.
00:42:34.060 How do I better
00:42:34.620 explain the difference
00:42:35.400 between commodities,
00:42:36.300 luxuries,
00:42:36.800 and rights guaranteed
00:42:37.660 by the government?
00:42:38.720 I think I understand,
00:42:39.960 but come off as condescending.
00:42:41.200 Thank you for everything
00:42:42.000 your crew does.
00:42:43.100 Great question.
00:42:44.020 You're both wrong.
00:42:46.900 Government does much more
00:42:48.460 than just protect
00:42:49.360 natural rights.
00:42:50.880 We know this, right?
00:42:51.720 Government tells
00:42:52.240 19-year-olds
00:42:53.080 that they can't buy
00:42:53.740 a pack of cigarettes.
00:42:54.460 Government forces me
00:42:55.940 to buy only cars
00:42:57.380 that have a certain
00:42:58.060 fuel efficiency standard.
00:42:59.960 I might object
00:43:00.740 to those sort of things,
00:43:01.820 but it is certainly
00:43:02.400 the case
00:43:02.880 that the government
00:43:03.680 can and does
00:43:05.140 do much more
00:43:06.460 than just protect
00:43:07.720 natural rights.
00:43:08.940 Now, this doesn't mean
00:43:09.720 that we can't derive
00:43:11.540 a sense of rights
00:43:12.560 from the natural law.
00:43:14.080 It doesn't mean
00:43:14.600 that we just
00:43:16.020 totally lose our sense
00:43:17.600 of the dignity
00:43:18.080 of the human person.
00:43:19.520 But you kind of
00:43:20.800 both have a point here.
00:43:21.800 I always go back
00:43:24.380 to Edmund Burke
00:43:24.940 on this.
00:43:25.400 Edmund Burke
00:43:25.920 is the mac daddy
00:43:27.500 godfather
00:43:28.100 of modern
00:43:28.700 conservative thought.
00:43:29.760 He said,
00:43:30.380 what is the use
00:43:31.300 of discussing
00:43:32.480 man's abstract
00:43:33.740 right to food
00:43:34.900 or medicine?
00:43:35.900 The question
00:43:36.660 is upon the method
00:43:38.060 of procuring
00:43:39.260 and administering them.
00:43:41.440 There's no natural
00:43:42.600 right to
00:43:43.380 modern health care,
00:43:45.140 right?
00:43:45.480 If that were the case,
00:43:46.440 then every human being
00:43:47.280 for all of history
00:43:48.020 was denied
00:43:48.580 their human rights
00:43:49.640 until about 100 years ago.
00:43:51.640 So what does it even mean
00:43:52.500 then for it to be
00:43:53.080 a human right
00:43:53.660 if statistically
00:43:55.000 all the humans
00:43:55.640 who ever lived
00:43:56.140 didn't have it?
00:43:58.480 It is also the case
00:43:59.580 that the government
00:44:00.120 could create a program
00:44:01.520 to give out
00:44:02.500 medical care.
00:44:03.980 It could.
00:44:04.800 Government does
00:44:05.320 a zillion things.
00:44:06.180 It could create
00:44:06.960 another welfare program
00:44:08.220 for medical care.
00:44:09.260 Government takes over
00:44:10.080 aspects of the economy.
00:44:11.000 It could take over
00:44:11.600 a sixth of the economy
00:44:12.740 by taking over health care.
00:44:15.500 Loan forgiveness.
00:44:16.440 The government's already
00:44:17.100 involved in loan forgiveness.
00:44:18.200 The government's already
00:44:20.560 involved in subsidizing loans.
00:44:22.060 It's already involved
00:44:23.060 in,
00:44:23.460 it created this bubble
00:44:24.240 in the first place actually.
00:44:25.360 And this is where you get
00:44:26.360 to the real argument.
00:44:28.200 The better argument
00:44:29.000 for your friend
00:44:29.760 is that the student loan
00:44:31.600 forgiveness proposal
00:44:32.600 is colossally stupid.
00:44:35.220 One,
00:44:35.820 the reason that we have
00:44:36.780 this huge bubble
00:44:37.480 is because the government
00:44:38.440 was subsidizing loans
00:44:39.340 in the first place.
00:44:40.600 And two,
00:44:41.520 we rely on
00:44:43.020 debt and credit.
00:44:44.500 What is debt?
00:44:45.120 Why do people go into debt?
00:44:46.100 They go into debt
00:44:46.800 because they think
00:44:47.720 that having money now
00:44:48.920 is better than waiting
00:44:50.760 for the money
00:44:51.300 they're going to have later.
00:44:52.220 They're borrowing
00:44:52.820 against their future
00:44:53.740 earnings potential.
00:44:54.840 And in the case of college,
00:44:55.820 even as expensive as it is,
00:44:57.960 college graduates,
00:44:58.840 the median college graduate,
00:45:00.220 make 75% more per year
00:45:02.040 than the median
00:45:04.300 high school graduate
00:45:05.000 without a college degree.
00:45:06.800 So guys saying,
00:45:07.400 oh,
00:45:07.440 if I can make 75% more per year,
00:45:09.140 I'll take out $50,000
00:45:10.420 worth of loans
00:45:11.200 because I'll make it back,
00:45:12.060 pay it off.
00:45:13.360 That's how debt works.
00:45:14.360 It's great
00:45:14.840 that we have a system of credit.
00:45:16.200 We use credit all the time.
00:45:17.040 We use credit to buy cars.
00:45:18.880 We go into debt.
00:45:19.440 We go into debt
00:45:20.120 to buy a house.
00:45:21.480 And it's how modern economies work.
00:45:23.600 It's how economies grow.
00:45:26.100 The minute
00:45:27.000 that you forgive
00:45:28.340 everyone's student debt,
00:45:29.620 $1.6 trillion
00:45:30.420 over 45 million people,
00:45:31.980 the minute you do it,
00:45:33.220 it's not just that
00:45:34.120 you tinker with that system.
00:45:35.440 You get it a little bit messed up.
00:45:37.280 You completely destroy
00:45:39.380 that system of credit.
00:45:41.960 What creditor
00:45:43.300 could lend out money
00:45:44.660 at that point?
00:45:45.220 No one has any incentive
00:45:47.060 ever to pay off that debt.
00:45:50.280 When I know the government's
00:45:51.400 just going to come in randomly
00:45:52.420 and pay off all the debt,
00:45:53.280 I'm never going to make
00:45:54.000 a student loan payment.
00:45:55.500 The reason all those people
00:45:56.620 were making student loan payments
00:45:58.080 is because
00:45:58.700 they didn't think the government
00:45:59.780 was going to bail them out.
00:46:00.620 They thought they had
00:46:01.060 to take care of it.
00:46:02.840 So you now have a system
00:46:04.540 where the government,
00:46:06.000 where the individual
00:46:06.740 is never going to make
00:46:07.620 their loan payments.
00:46:08.560 So it's going to be much harder
00:46:09.500 to get that credit
00:46:10.160 in the first place.
00:46:10.960 The government does
00:46:12.800 few things efficiently
00:46:13.760 and whenever the government
00:46:15.120 intervenes
00:46:15.880 and the more it intervenes,
00:46:17.620 the crazier,
00:46:19.160 the unexpected
00:46:19.880 secondary effects are.
00:46:22.340 The more egregious,
00:46:23.520 the more harmful
00:46:24.600 those effects can be.
00:46:26.120 And if you're forgiving
00:46:27.240 45 million loans
00:46:29.800 for $1.6 trillion,
00:46:31.600 when you're intervening
00:46:33.320 in that education industry,
00:46:36.320 the method of education,
00:46:37.380 then you are giving
00:46:38.660 the government control
00:46:40.240 over education itself.
00:46:42.500 You're destroying
00:46:43.240 the instrument
00:46:44.240 by which it's currently funded
00:46:46.080 and you're giving
00:46:46.680 government control
00:46:47.680 over that means,
00:46:48.380 which means
00:46:48.860 he who pays the piper
00:46:50.340 calls the tune.
00:46:51.440 When the government
00:46:51.880 gets involved,
00:46:52.520 how do things turn out?
00:46:53.780 When the government
00:46:54.240 gets involved in education,
00:46:56.820 how do things turn out?
00:46:57.600 Not very well.
00:46:58.780 It's a major threat
00:46:59.720 to education.
00:47:00.480 It's a major power grab.
00:47:02.020 That's why they want it.
00:47:04.360 All right.
00:47:04.940 That's our show.
00:47:05.720 We've got more to get to,
00:47:06.500 but we'll do it next time.
00:47:07.380 In the meantime,
00:47:07.900 I'm Michael Knowles.
00:47:09.080 This is The Michael Knowles Show.
00:47:10.940 Enjoy El Secondo Debeto
00:47:13.480 tonight-o.
00:47:14.320 We'll have some commentary
00:47:15.700 on that on Monday.
00:47:16.800 See you then.
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