The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 39 - Day of the Girl ft. Blaire White

00:00:00.000 Today, we have the great privilege of being joined by the incomparable and iconoclastic Blair White

00:00:06.380 to discuss what the left gets wrong on transgenderism, the problems with LGBT activism,

00:00:12.160 and which pronouns we should all be using.

00:00:14.720 Then, Ariel Davidson and Amber Athe join the panel of deplorables to talk Eminem's terrible rap performance,

00:00:21.240 but I repeat myself, fat kids, and how the Boy Scouts have officially become the Girl Scouts.

00:00:26.420 I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:00:30.000 Blair, thank you for coming today.

00:00:38.640 We have you in studio, which is excellent.

00:00:41.200 Now, this is a total coincidence, but it's probably just providential.

00:00:45.720 Today, we booked you just for today.

00:00:47.380 We didn't realize it.

00:00:48.200 It is international.

00:00:49.480 No, it's National Coming Out Day and International Day of the Girl.

00:00:53.980 That is a tremendous coincidence.

00:00:56.620 Well, it's a good thing you brought the girl.

00:00:57.900 That we brought the girl.

00:00:58.960 We have the girl in studio. 1.00

00:01:01.900 Now, for those of you who don't know Blair, I would be surprised if anybody doesn't know

00:01:06.180 Blair at this point, but check out this video.

00:01:08.960 It's my view, however, that while the truth can be harsh, it can't be bigoted.

00:01:12.920 And I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I've never had a problem swallowing the truth,

00:01:18.080 and I actually think there's a power in recognizing the truth, because it'll set you free and such. 0.99

00:01:23.740 Transgenderism is a mental disorder. 1.00

00:01:25.400 So aside from that, there is a tiny portion of the population that are transsexuals, such as yours truly. 1.00

00:01:30.940 I'm a biological male who was born that way and will die that way. 0.96

00:01:34.200 However, as my luck would only have it, Mother Nature kind of f***ed me and gave me the inclinations of a female. 1.00

00:01:40.220 There's been a number of studies that have shown that male to female transsexuals have similar brain structures and activity to that of biological women.

00:01:47.420 Because of that, I decided to take it upon myself to seek out the help of medicine to transition or physically resemble the body of a woman to the best of my ability.

00:01:55.260 So in any sense, other than legally, I guess, this doesn't mean that I changed my sex.

00:02:00.820 This doesn't mean that I am an invented new sex.

00:02:04.260 It simply means that I personally found it necessary to live as and resemble the opposite sex in the pursuit of my own happiness. 1.00

00:02:11.260 You just, I don't know if you could hear that.

00:02:13.360 I could.

00:02:13.940 You just made the computers of every lefty who watches this show explode.

00:02:19.000 They just exploded, their houses are on fire.

00:02:21.680 I'm actually only kidding because no lefties watch my show.

00:02:24.380 So you are like a voice of reason on this whole issue.

00:02:28.340 You yourself are transgender, but you're not insisting that there's a third gender or a fifth gender or a 250th gender.

00:02:36.380 You're not suggesting that you've become metaphysically a woman, but you do resemble a woman.

00:02:43.040 Obviously, you don't look like a man.

00:02:45.960 Therefore, it follows naturally that you would be shunned by the online transgender community. 0.95

00:02:51.500 Absolutely.

00:02:51.980 You know, I try to take, at least in my eyes, a realistic approach to describing transgenderism, the experience of being trans, et cetera.

00:03:00.840 And all the trans activists, of course, hate me, LGBT activists in general.

00:03:05.440 I often call myself like the black sheep of the trans community. 0.87

00:03:08.380 Why do they?

00:03:08.940 I actually saw on Twitter someone said there were like seven kinds of trans people.

00:03:13.340 And you were a category.

00:03:14.360 And someone said just Blair.

00:03:14.960 You were your own category.

00:03:16.620 There was like right wing, left wing, Blair wing.

00:03:18.560 Why do they resist you?

00:03:20.140 Why are they so offended when you say things that are obviously true, that are common sense?

00:03:26.780 You know, I just think there's a particular narrative that is acceptable at this point in time.

00:03:31.280 And anything else diverging from that is just hated.

00:03:35.520 It's hate facts, as they call them.

00:03:37.740 Absolutely. 0.99

00:03:38.220 You know, the whole topic of, you know, trans being a mental disorder, that's literally just a fact. 1.00

00:03:43.180 It's just a definition, yeah. 0.81

00:03:44.580 It is.

00:03:45.080 If you want to be more precise, gender dysphoria is.

00:03:47.400 But transgenderism is the state of having gender dysphoria. 0.95

00:03:51.100 So for me, it's kind of like, I don't know why that's such an inflammatory statement.

00:03:55.960 Because people have all kinds of disorders.

00:03:58.000 People have anxiety, depression, you know.

00:04:00.020 OCD.

00:04:00.840 OCD, autism, everything.

00:04:02.600 So I've never understood why it's so terrible to say that or admit that.

00:04:07.640 And to say that I'm a man, I was born a man, I have the body of a man, but there's something in my psyche that makes me think that I'm a woman, makes me identify more as a woman, makes me want to be a woman.

00:04:19.900 What is so hateful about acknowledging that reality?

00:04:23.500 Nothing.

00:04:23.820 And the thing about it is that when you lay it out that way, it actually helps people who maybe would not understand trans people understand.

00:04:32.580 The whole problem with trans activists and the trans community is they don't bridge the gap between the right and the left.

00:04:38.240 They stay on the left and they only adhere to those talking points.

00:04:41.540 Other than Caitlyn Jenner.

00:04:42.600 Caitlyn Jenner is the one who voted Trump, right?

00:04:44.700 Yeah, but still probably not the best spokesperson, you know.

00:04:47.620 Fair enough.

00:04:48.080 So still not doing it the way it should be done.

00:04:50.540 But the thing about it is when it comes to this whole topic, everyone just talks past each other and no one gets anything done.

00:04:58.080 So I prefer to leave the emotional arguments out of it when it comes to trans stuff because it makes more sense to people on the right and those are, you know, my people as well.

00:05:06.360 You know what I mean?

00:05:07.100 And other than...

00:05:08.340 Would you call yourself on the right or...

00:05:10.400 Yeah, for sure.

00:05:11.260 For sure.

00:05:11.680 And that's why I feel like I'm a bit more understanding of the rights difficulties understanding trans people.

00:05:18.240 And that's why really other than me, you mentioned Caitlyn Jenner, there really are no other people doing shows like this and doing right-wing shows and really bridging that gap and able to communicate to those people.

00:05:30.080 So...

00:05:30.320 And was your family right-wing?

00:05:31.900 I mean, did you come from a Republican family or were they...

00:05:36.620 Are you the political black sheep of the family?

00:05:39.260 It was half and half.

00:05:40.220 My mom's side was the liberal side.

00:05:42.540 My dad's side was the conservative side.

00:05:43.980 So that made for an interesting dichotomy as far as growing up trans as well.

00:05:48.900 I've kind of always been, like, in the middle of everything.

00:05:52.340 Right.

00:05:52.560 You know, being trans and then having, like, conservative family and then being conservative myself.

00:05:57.400 But, you know, it's been complicated.

00:05:59.400 Did the conservative family, were they resistant to your new identity or did they kind of go along with it?

00:06:06.380 Resistant for sure.

00:06:08.020 I mean, it wasn't anything ugly.

00:06:09.600 It wasn't anything, like...

00:06:11.300 Throwing you out of the house.

00:06:12.440 No, I was never abused or anything.

00:06:14.740 But...

00:06:15.060 And my dad was fine.

00:06:16.980 But it was difficult.

00:06:18.920 It's getting better now, though, which is great.

00:06:20.300 Now that I'm an adult and I'm, you know, I take care of myself now and I'm doing my thing and they appreciate me going on shows like this.

00:06:26.820 You're, like, the most famous person on YouTube.

00:06:29.080 You know, clearly you've been successful in this commentary.

00:06:32.080 This brings up the right-wing resistance to transgenderism, to the movement of transgenderism, to a lot of the activism that comes out of it.

00:06:41.180 But I think a lot of it is about the pronouns.

00:06:43.640 And I struggle with this myself.

00:06:45.080 I don't know which to use because my reason tells me, just as you said, you know, you're born a man, you'll die a man, but you now more resemble, you certainly resemble a woman, you don't look like a man. 0.96

00:06:56.340 So my reason tells me it would be objecting to reality to say she.

00:07:03.560 And yet, you're my guest, you're my friend, you're, you're, my politeness would object to calling you he.

00:07:12.640 And obviously, in terms of secondary sex traits, you certainly look much more like a woman.

00:07:19.760 How do we resolve this, this issue between manners and politeness and civil society and the biological facts of sex?

00:07:30.560 Well, you certainly don't legislate it.

00:07:32.100 I think that's a huge problem.

00:07:33.400 I was just reading the other day, in 2018, there's about to be, like, harsher penalties for misgendering someone in the health field than for spreading HIV, which is insane.

00:07:42.600 That's right.

00:07:43.100 I saw that.

00:07:43.840 Yeah.

00:07:44.140 They're making, it will no longer be a felony to intentionally, excuse me, to intentionally spread HIV.

00:07:51.480 California's a mess.

00:07:53.140 California's a mess.

00:07:53.940 Just a generally true statement.

00:07:55.340 Yeah, just a mess.

00:07:55.880 But, again, you don't legislate it because that turns people off and it also creates trans people, makes trans people a liability when they become employees. 0.81

00:08:04.800 You know, no company wants to hire someone who is potentially a lawsuit.

00:08:08.020 You know what I mean?

00:08:08.560 So, that's a problem.

00:08:09.580 And that's another thing.

00:08:10.740 It's like a double-sided sword because the trans activists claim to fight for trans unemployment and then they do things like that. 0.82

00:08:15.600 Right.

00:08:16.260 But, again, with pronouns, it's like, it's just do what makes sense.

00:08:18.940 You know what I mean?

00:08:19.420 Like, for instance, if you and I were to go to dinner or something and I got there before you, so I was at the table and you told people at the front, like, I'm meeting my friend, you wouldn't say, he's in the black top or that.

00:08:30.620 Yeah, that's right.

00:08:31.440 You know what I mean?

00:08:31.780 It just makes sense because they wouldn't know who you're talking about.

00:08:33.140 He's in the silky dress over there.

00:08:34.300 Yeah, they would lead you to someone else.

00:08:35.820 Right.

00:08:36.240 So, it's just about what makes sense.

00:08:38.440 Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who seem hell-bent on having things not make sense.

00:08:44.100 You know what I mean?

00:08:44.620 I mean, people who want to be referred to with, you know, third pronouns, fourth pronouns, Zs.

00:08:49.640 The Z, the they, the singular they is the worst one. 1.00

00:08:52.720 That is unforgivable.

00:08:54.140 It is such an offense to grammar.

00:08:56.360 I can't imagine it.

00:08:57.480 It is.

00:08:57.800 And it's frustrating.

00:08:59.300 For me, when I'm in those situations, I just don't hang out with people like that.

00:09:02.640 If I'm around them, I'm not going to be intentionally rude or anything.

00:09:05.320 But I would prefer not to hang out with someone who has, like, that high of expectations for a normal conversation with them.

00:09:11.020 It's kind of annoying.

00:09:12.680 But other than that, just do what makes sense.

00:09:14.400 Is there a worry that the pronouns kind of give up the premises?

00:09:19.780 So, in the pronouns, in any polite society, you would just say she and her to refer to you.

00:09:24.480 You identify as a woman.

00:09:25.980 You look like a woman. 0.99

00:09:27.180 Just go with it.

00:09:28.480 But is there something to worry about that in that premise, by granting the premise that one can change biological sex from male to female, from him to her, that we're giving the left a premise from which many of their arguments will flow, even if it's not a correct premise?

00:09:46.400 Does that make sense?

00:09:47.160 I didn't say that articulately.

00:09:48.640 No, it makes absolute sense.

00:09:49.720 I guess in a sense.

00:09:53.100 But at the same time, it's still about what makes sense.

00:09:56.320 I mean, I don't even think it's giving the left that.

00:09:57.940 I think they already have that.

00:09:59.440 They're going to take it anyway, right?

00:10:00.880 People argue against it when the reality is, like, I don't think since I was a teenager I've ever been called heat.

00:10:06.980 Like, even, like, pre-transition when I was starting to curl my hair out, no hormones, no surgery, I still never got called heat.

00:10:12.120 Do you know what I mean?

00:10:12.640 So, it's just about common sense.

00:10:15.920 Obviously, when it comes to some people, there's this one trans activist, I believe her name is Danielle Moscato. 0.67

00:10:23.000 I think it's Danielle Moscato.

00:10:24.640 And she's made, like, no, I'm saying she because I'm polite, but she's made no attempt to do anything.

00:10:30.980 Like, literally, male clothes, bald head, no makeup, no anything.

00:10:34.440 Just in every way it looks like it.

00:10:36.180 No legal gender.

00:10:36.780 In every way.

00:10:37.420 Like, looks manlier than you.

00:10:38.720 Well, I'll take it.

00:10:40.460 You know, unfortunately, there are a lot of guys who look manlier than me.

00:10:42.860 You'll take it.

00:10:43.680 That's all right.

00:10:44.180 And so, when it comes to people like that, it's very frustrating because they'll make a huge deal about it.

00:10:49.140 But most trans people, we have to remember, like, the internet is, like, not real life all the time. 0.95

00:10:54.840 So, a lot of these activists, it's like.

00:10:55.720 It's hard to keep that in mind.

00:10:56.880 Yeah.

00:10:57.180 A lot of these activists, it's like, yeah, there's crazy nuts on the internet.

00:10:59.820 But most trans people, it doesn't matter. 1.00

00:11:02.880 Of course.

00:11:03.360 And also, there aren't that many transgender people, you know.

00:11:07.640 The statistic for a long time was, I think it was 0.2% of the population.

00:11:12.280 Very small.

00:11:12.680 Or even less.

00:11:13.300 Now that some surveys say that number is 0.6% of the population, I think.

00:11:19.260 Obviously, there are differing numbers because it's such a small population.

00:11:22.960 Uh-huh.

00:11:23.680 And yet, it's all anyone's talking about.

00:11:25.380 And I do think that the left has made us so reactionary on this.

00:11:29.460 You know, I.

00:11:29.780 So reactionary.

00:11:30.240 They do this on everything.

00:11:33.280 But they've incredibly made cross-dressers not fun. 1.00

00:11:36.680 I don't know how they did that.

00:11:37.880 Cross-dressers have always been fun throughout all of history.

00:11:40.900 It makes Rocky Horror, like, not fun anymore.

00:11:41.840 Yeah, it makes it this, like, somber thing.

00:11:43.960 Makes the village in New York, like, this very serious social.

00:11:47.780 You know, come on, man.

00:11:49.120 They've done it on college campuses. 0.88

00:11:50.360 They've made sex boring.

00:11:51.360 I don't know how they did that.

00:11:52.300 Yeah, I've always said, like, yeah, I've always said, you know, transgenderism is and should exist outside of the realm of politics.

00:12:00.800 Because it's not political.

00:12:03.000 It's biological.

00:12:03.820 It's neurological.

00:12:04.760 It's a condition.

00:12:06.020 Psychological.

00:12:06.560 Yeah, and when you start politicizing things like that, I mean, it would suck just as much if they started politicizing, I don't know, autistic people or something.

00:12:14.100 Right, right.

00:12:14.620 Like, you know, making a group of people who are going through enough, like, the political football is really frustrating.

00:12:19.800 And it was the left's fault because they made it, you know, their issue.

00:12:23.220 I often say I almost miss the days when, like, no one really knew what it meant.

00:12:26.620 Like, everyone has kind of always known there are some, like, males who, you know, live as females, you know.

00:12:32.140 But no one's ever gotten to the nitty-gritty of it.

00:12:34.300 And now everyone's debating these small, like, insignificant facets of what it is to be trans.

00:12:39.200 Of, like, 12 people.

00:12:41.160 Yeah.

00:12:41.580 And they're making – but it is – right now it is dominating the national conversation.

00:12:45.400 All we're talking about is bathrooms, you know.

00:12:47.760 Actually, fortunately, since President Trump was elected, we're talking about, like, jobs in North Korea again. 0.99

00:12:54.140 But before that, we were only –

00:12:55.360 Right, but it was just bathrooms. 0.98

00:12:56.220 Yeah, there was just only bathrooms.

00:12:57.820 That's the – why is that?

00:12:59.360 What about 2017, our culture, left or right, makes this relatively minor issue dominate the national discourse?

00:13:08.840 Right.

00:13:09.060 I mean, first of all, I always say I don't like to be expected to suspend my knowledge of how the real world works to have these conversations because I've never had a problem using any public bathroom.

00:13:18.880 I've been in the Midwest.

00:13:20.200 I've been in Michigan.

00:13:20.980 I've been in California where it's super liberal.

00:13:22.520 And it's like I've been in Texas.

00:13:23.820 I don't have an issue.

00:13:24.800 Right.

00:13:24.980 Most people I know don't have an issue.

00:13:26.360 So it's frustrating to see that become such a huge thing when already, like you said, it's such a small amount of people.

00:13:32.340 And it's even smaller than people in that group who actually have an issue.

00:13:35.220 You know what I mean?

00:13:35.600 It's just a symbol for the left, though, isn't it?

00:13:37.360 It's just a way to poke the culture, I think.

00:13:40.420 Yeah, but I do think a lot of conservatives fall into the trap of, like, ending up caring about it.

00:13:45.180 Right, right.

00:13:45.800 Of course.

00:13:46.160 I think that's such a huge trap they've fallen into.

00:13:48.840 I would prefer to see the conservative movement in the future focus on reclaiming, like, more of a position in culture as far as arts and stuff like that because the left dominates all of that.

00:13:58.960 And it's really frustrating.

00:14:00.040 You know what I mean?

00:14:00.620 And they think, you know, I think the right thinks that they're going to win this battle on pronoun legislation, which is coming, by the way.

00:14:06.940 It's in other countries.

00:14:08.420 Absolutely.

00:14:08.620 It's coming.

00:14:09.520 I mean, yeah.

00:14:10.300 So they are going to do that.

00:14:11.480 And obviously we have to fight back against that.

00:14:13.340 And I hope the right wins.

00:14:14.200 I hope the right wins on that.

00:14:15.700 I mean, they're going to focus on this bathroom legislation. 1.00

00:14:19.880 But really, that's not where – politics is downstream of culture, right?

00:14:24.120 But conservatives are such Philistines that we don't realize that orange is the new black or something or transparent. 0.94

00:14:30.580 It has a much greater effect on the culture than our little legislation or our political candidates.

00:14:36.820 Absolutely.

00:14:37.480 And I'll also say this.

00:14:39.460 One thing I've learned from doing a lot of conservative shows and talking to a lot of conservative hosts – you're not included in this – but almost all of them have told me that they don't have nearly as much of an issue with the trans thing as their audience pressures them to act out.

00:14:58.020 Interesting.

00:14:58.660 In the sense that it's almost like it's just become a talking point.

00:15:02.360 And it's become – being pro-trans or anti-trans, it's just a talking point at this point.

00:15:07.580 And people are forgetting that it's not that huge of an issue.

00:15:10.840 That's interesting because, you know, I don't ever get questions about it in the mailbag.

00:15:17.380 I think it is – I think it's literally the pronouns.

00:15:19.980 I think that's what they care.

00:15:21.260 They don't want someone to tell them that I am going to dictate to you how you can view reality.

00:15:26.660 I think it's – I don't think the issue among our audience – I don't think it's about transgender people at all.

00:15:32.340 Yeah, it's not.

00:15:32.500 I think it's about lefties bullying them into submission, basically.

00:15:37.000 I don't know if that's true of other audiences, but I think it's – that is common on the right.

00:15:41.400 I think it's true.

00:15:42.040 If the left would let it up, they'd say, like, all right, man, for the 18 people who have this affliction, you know.

00:15:48.420 Yeah, it's just become –

00:15:49.460 Do what you're going to do, yeah.

00:15:50.500 It's become such an unnecessary war.

00:15:52.260 But then it gets to the point where it is necessary.

00:15:54.220 That's – yeah.

00:15:54.840 Now, so getting to you.

00:15:56.120 We've talked about politics.

00:15:57.480 There are a gazillion excellent videos on your channel that people can watch about this.

00:16:01.140 But getting to you, you haven't had an easy life.

00:16:04.260 You've had personal difficulties.

00:16:06.520 You – I wouldn't share this if it weren't public, but you made a video that you were raped as a teenager, obviously transitioning, and this gender dysphoria has to be psychologically stressful. 0.97

00:16:19.160 And to add on top of that, all of these lefties hurl insults at you all the time on the internet. 1.00

00:16:24.940 Yeah.

00:16:25.220 What keeps you going?

00:16:27.000 What keeps you motivated?

00:16:28.200 Is it a religious conviction?

00:16:29.900 Is it a sense of mission, political mission?

00:16:32.300 I guess just the fact that despite everything, I really love life.

00:16:38.020 Like, I really love what I'm doing.

00:16:40.560 I made my transition happen for myself.

00:16:43.040 No one paid for it but myself.

00:16:44.800 I've always, up to this point, pretty much gotten everything I've wanted because I've worked for it and I've made it happen for myself.

00:16:50.000 I'm just, like, in a really good place in life and I really love doing YouTube.

00:16:54.920 I guess a lot of the emails I get from people saying that, you know, I'm saying things they could never say.

00:17:00.840 Right.

00:17:01.000 And, you know, all of that kind of stuff really keeps me going as well and, you know, have a good family, have good friends, an amazing boyfriend.

00:17:09.160 Life is good.

00:17:09.880 You know, people, everyone goes through stuff.

00:17:11.620 It's just about choosing to overcome it or live in that, you know?

00:17:15.460 Do you think it's that, though?

00:17:16.440 I mean, you have every reason to have a victim mentality.

00:17:19.360 You've got this difficult issue by nature of your birth.

00:17:24.780 Then you've had these other issues come on.

00:17:27.960 But you haven't chosen to be a victim.

00:17:30.640 No.

00:17:31.240 I think that's—

00:17:31.920 Why not?

00:17:32.400 You can cash that in.

00:17:33.480 You can lose a lot of cachet in this culture.

00:17:35.160 I can probably cash in.

00:17:36.580 I just think that's not a healthy way to live.

00:17:38.380 I think, you know, being self-serving is good but it's when you're doing good things.

00:17:43.440 When you're being self-serving in the sense of just feeling pity for yourself and expecting things to be handed to you

00:17:48.340 because something may have happened to you in the past, I mean, it's really gross and unhealthy.

00:17:52.180 That's not a way I want to live.

00:17:53.540 I prefer to, you know, work hard, strive for my goals, be happy, be in love, all that stuff.

00:17:57.860 I much prefer that.

00:18:00.000 Does this come from any kind of religious point of view?

00:18:03.880 Is it some traditional point of view?

00:18:06.160 Or did you just stumble on these very profound guides to life on your own?

00:18:11.540 It just comes from nowhere.

00:18:12.740 It just comes—wisdom being spun by Blair White.

00:18:15.100 I've never been religious, but I think actually now that you've said it, it does come from my dad's side of the family.

00:18:22.700 Hard work and never feeling sorry for yourself and just getting what you want was always something instilled in me from that side of the family.

00:18:28.760 I think it just stuck with me.

00:18:30.400 It's just how I was raised, I guess.

00:18:31.860 It's that good old American civic religion.

00:18:34.200 Right.

00:18:34.720 Absolutely right.

00:18:35.520 Right.

00:18:36.020 Hard work and not pitying yourself and just going out there and getting really famous and making a bunch of money.

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00:19:52.840 Panel, thank you for being here.

00:20:04.620 We have Ariel Davidson from the Hoover Institution.

00:20:07.380 We have Amber Athe from the Daily Caller.

00:20:10.120 Ladies, welcome and happy International Day of the Girl.

00:20:14.200 What a privilege to have you here.

00:20:16.520 We have to talk about this very important news today.

00:20:19.420 The rapper Eminem belched some gibberish about Donald Trump last night at the BET Awards.

00:20:25.260 Let's hear it.

00:20:26.940 Wait.

00:20:27.720 How was I going to start this off?

00:20:30.480 I forgot.

00:20:32.780 Oh, yeah.

00:20:35.140 That's an awfully hot coffee pot.

00:20:37.500 Should I drop it on Donald Trump?

00:20:39.600 Probably not.

00:20:40.520 But that's all I got till I come up with a solid. 1.00

00:20:42.960 Got a plan and now I got a hatchet like a damn Apache with a tomahawk. 1.00

00:20:53.300 I'ma walk inside a mosque on Ramadan and say a prayer that every time she talks, 0.99

00:20:59.800 she gets a ma...

00:21:03.960 I'ma stop.

00:21:09.140 But we better give Obama props because what we got in office now is a kamikaze that'll

00:21:14.740 probably cause a nuclear holocaust. 0.90

00:21:17.280 We have come a long way from Bach, haven't we?

00:21:21.480 Ariel, everybody tells me that Eminem is a great lyricist, but that sure does not sound

00:21:26.340 like Wordsworth to me.

00:21:27.600 What am I missing?

00:21:28.400 So I actually got myself into some trouble today because I started comparing Eminem and

00:21:34.400 saying that Tupac was a much better lyricist, which I stand by.

00:21:38.460 I think there are some elements within our discussion of Eminem.

00:21:42.920 We have to be able to separate sort of his past history as being a great lyricist to his

00:21:47.420 current piece of craft that he produced.

00:21:49.840 Excuse my French.

00:21:51.380 So I think that, you know, he is a talented rapper given his, you know, the style of art

00:21:56.320 he usually partakes in.

00:21:57.440 So this is a pretty abysmal piece of work, and I'll leave it at that.

00:22:02.540 I think it's economically inaccurate.

00:22:05.180 I think it doesn't really pay homage to the fact that the Iran deal, which is Obama's crowning

00:22:11.120 achievement in terms of foreign policy, actually runs the risk of creating a nuclear crisis.

00:22:16.220 But I will step away and let the other ladies speak on that, too. 0.61

00:22:20.300 So you're not...

00:22:21.180 I'm sorry.

00:22:21.620 You're not going to grant Professor Eminem his premises?

00:22:24.560 I do have to disagree with you on both Eminem and Tupac, because my favorite rapper is Puff

00:22:30.060 Doggy Dog and Snoop Diddley Doodap.

00:22:32.200 So I guess we can compare.

00:22:34.620 Taste is subjective, you know.

00:22:36.360 Who can really tell which is best after all?

00:22:39.780 Amber, is this just a desperate attempt of a has-been to stay relevant?

00:22:44.640 Or does Eminem have something to offer our culture in 2017?

00:22:49.020 Gosh, who knows?

00:22:50.460 Maybe a bit of both. 0.95

00:22:51.860 But like Ariel said, this is the most pathetic attempt at rapping I think I've ever seen. 0.89

00:22:57.600 And actually pretty disappointing. 0.93

00:22:59.000 As someone who used to listen to Eminem, I used to be into rap in middle school and high

00:23:02.700 school because I thought I was cool or whatever.

00:23:04.440 You were cool.

00:23:04.940 He has...

00:23:06.680 Thank you.

00:23:07.360 I appreciate that.

00:23:08.360 A lot of people would disagree with you.

00:23:11.620 He had some pretty disgusting lyrics in his time.

00:23:15.380 You know, he talked about throwing women in the trunk of the car and driving them off 0.99

00:23:19.700 bridges and raping women and stuffing them in the closet. 1.00

00:23:23.340 So for him to... 1.00

00:23:24.940 The best he can come up with is throwing hot coffee on Donald Trump.

00:23:27.920 It's a little disappointing.

00:23:28.860 I think he can do a lot better.

00:23:30.440 Yeah.

00:23:30.680 Where is his vicious thuggery?

00:23:32.260 I really was lacking from that last night.

00:23:34.460 Blair, that is an excellent point that she brings up.

00:23:37.500 Why does the media give this guy a pass?

00:23:40.100 He said horrible things about gays, about women.

00:23:43.500 And yet I noticed that none of that was present in their coverage of this today. 0.55

00:23:47.540 Right.

00:23:48.080 They're so picky choosy with, you know, who their little pets are.

00:23:51.760 What's really interesting, I was watching The View this morning and Joy Behar was...

00:23:55.620 First of all, her voice is grating.

00:23:57.700 But second of all, she was talking about how he's so brave for speaking out against the

00:24:02.300 president.

00:24:02.520 And it's like, in what world every artist, every celebrity right now is speaking out

00:24:06.800 against the president.

00:24:07.660 It's so brave.

00:24:07.900 It's so courageous.

00:24:09.120 I know.

00:24:09.460 It's amazing.

00:24:09.680 It's gross. 0.98

00:24:10.320 And the thing about it, like, the freestyle was trash, for sure. 0.97

00:24:14.060 My boyfriend told me this morning, apparently he had two albums recently. 0.62

00:24:18.340 Didn't know that.

00:24:19.280 I guess they didn't do well.

00:24:21.040 So...

00:24:21.340 And then he also, I think when George Bush was in office, he, like, said he wanted him

00:24:24.520 dead or something.

00:24:25.680 And he got, like, investigated by the FBI.

00:24:26.960 It's so courageous.

00:24:27.740 It's just as courageous as Michael Moore.

00:24:29.980 Yeah.

00:24:30.120 Yeah.

00:24:30.160 I haven't bought the latest Eminem CD either.

00:24:33.240 I think...

00:24:34.120 I loved the 90s.

00:24:35.720 They were great in 2000s.

00:24:37.100 But just leave them in the past, man.

00:24:38.760 Let's move on to the future.

00:24:40.420 Yeah.

00:24:40.680 Speaking of the future, there is a new study yet, a new study that shows the greatest health

00:24:46.100 crisis afflicting our troubled planet, and that is fat kids.

00:24:50.280 Obesity rates among children and teenagers have plateaued, apparently, in the UK at 10%,

00:24:55.120 20% in the United States.

00:24:56.900 The U.S. currently pays $325 billion per year to treat all of the negative health effects

00:25:02.440 that come as a result of that.

00:25:04.080 Now, in Asia, North Africa, and the Middle East, child obesity rates are skyrocketing.

00:25:08.940 Blair, the world is so prosperous that for the first time in history, the health problem

00:25:15.300 is that our children are too fat.

00:25:17.240 They're too well-fed. 0.94

00:25:18.600 Once we finally perfect the sex robots, will our culture just wither away from too much

00:25:24.080 luxury?

00:25:25.440 Probably.

00:25:26.160 That's so heartbreaking to even hear.

00:25:27.720 I went to school for nutrition for a while, so that kind of, like, hits home.

00:25:31.360 It's really sad.

00:25:32.000 You know, I consider it child abuse, honestly, to have an obese child, like, at that young

00:25:38.700 of an age.

00:25:39.180 That's child abuse for sure. 1.00

00:25:40.900 And, Amber, does this finally put an end to all these stupid fads? 0.99

00:25:45.200 As Blair mentions, there is a little bit of child abuse perhaps going on, but we always 1.00

00:25:49.860 hear about how terrible GMOs are and trans fat and gluten and yada, yada, yada, and they're

00:25:55.440 supposed to kill us.

00:25:56.220 And yet, we're, like, the best-fed people ever, and we live to be 100.

00:26:00.820 Will this finally put an end to all of the nonsense and the kale and the avocados and

00:26:05.800 all of that?

00:26:06.380 No, probably not, because, unfortunately, food is politicized, too, to the point where

00:26:11.180 the left sort of takes, like, the GMO and environmental organic issues and tries to make

00:26:16.020 it a political talking point.

00:26:17.980 And then another part of this that I think is political is this talk about, like, plus-size

00:26:22.860 models and healthy at any size, and you can't fat shame people. 0.95

00:26:27.380 And to me, as someone who used to be overweight, I think that's so disappointing because, like,

00:26:31.580 no, you shouldn't bully someone for being overweight, but I think it's good for people

00:26:35.820 to know that it's not okay, it's not healthy for you to be 300 pounds at the age of 12,

00:26:43.380 and maybe you should do something about it to change it.

00:26:45.820 And really, the only person that can change that is yourself.

00:26:48.980 You can't expect society to just accept that as healthy or okay.

00:26:54.160 Blair, I know you're a really strong advocate of the anti-fat-shaming movement.

00:26:59.780 Isn't that right?

00:27:02.380 No.

00:27:03.020 It is interesting how a lot of this is done in the name of supporting women, but supporting

00:27:07.760 this message of healthy to any size, et cetera, is actually, it hurts women. 0.99

00:27:11.040 You know, women don't want to be fat. 1.00

00:27:12.120 Women want to be beautiful. 1.00

00:27:12.980 That's part of, you know, the nature of women is to be attractive and be desired. 1.00

00:27:17.020 That's scientific.

00:27:17.820 I'm just trying to be attractive and desired, too, man, but less to less success.

00:27:22.780 C'est la vie.

00:27:23.180 I'm sorry I cut you off.

00:27:24.220 Right.

00:27:24.540 So it's, like I said, in the name of women, but it's lying to women as well, which is frustrating.

00:27:30.800 Ariel, Andrew Klavan has pointed this out before that, you know, they say we live in decadent

00:27:34.940 times or call it dawn to decadence, you know, but decadence is very good for the elites.

00:27:40.240 And we're all elites today, aren't we, in the United States, in the developed world.

00:27:44.560 And is this a sign of our decadence?

00:27:49.320 I mean, the fact that we don't have to worry really as much about starvation as we do about

00:27:54.560 overeating.

00:27:55.860 Where does a culture go from here when it's so luxurious and so well-fed in so many ways?

00:28:01.620 You know, I think it's a sign of decadence, but I also think it's showing sort of the

00:28:07.120 privacy that technology has started to place in our lives.

00:28:10.520 You know, you don't really need to get up to, in order to get things physically, we can

00:28:15.880 just order things on Amazon now.

00:28:17.440 You don't need to, you know, there's no impetus to step outside and play with your friends

00:28:22.120 now.

00:28:22.300 You can just play video games or enter a virtual world.

00:28:25.920 This is the next step that Facebook is taking.

00:28:28.060 So pretty much in order to get anything you'd like, you have to, you don't really have to

00:28:33.420 do much to get it.

00:28:34.440 So it's sort of like you can just sit on your couch and pretty much get what you want.

00:28:39.000 It's a very strange phenomenon, but I think technology has a lot to do with it.

00:28:42.940 That's absolutely right.

00:28:43.960 And there are a few things I like more than sitting on my couch and getting anything that

00:28:47.000 I want.

00:28:47.240 There is breaking news that came out an hour ago that the Boy Scouts will now fully admit

00:28:52.860 girls to be the Boy Scouts, and the girls can go as high up in the ranks as they want

00:28:58.180 to.

00:28:58.340 They can become Eagle Scouts. 0.83

00:29:00.100 And by the way, we're not talking about transgender people.

00:29:02.740 We're not talking about a girl who identifies as a boy and then joins the Boy Scouts.

00:29:06.780 Just full-on girls can become Boy Scouts. 0.97

00:29:09.200 Now, Blair, on these issues of gender, you have a unique perspective.

00:29:13.020 That's so funny.

00:29:13.680 I thought you were talking about, you know, trans kids or something.

00:29:16.080 It's just girls getting the Boy Scouts. 0.95

00:29:17.520 It's just the Boy Scouts.

00:29:18.460 I think it's a money grab.

00:29:19.620 You know, men are all about the money, and I think they're just trying to take away all 0.79

00:29:23.140 the Girl Scouts now, too.

00:29:24.400 Does this make any sense?

00:29:25.960 I mean, in a certain sense, by our culture's logic, it does, in that the left has always

00:29:31.840 told us gender is a social construct.

00:29:33.980 It doesn't really matter.

00:29:35.260 Of course, simultaneously, they tell us it's the most important thing in the world.

00:29:39.140 Does it make any sense for the Boy Scouts to now be taking away all of the Girl Scouts?

00:29:43.660 I mean, I guess it's not, like, the hugest injustice in the world, but at the same time,

00:29:48.200 I mean, maybe it sounds funny coming from someone who's trans, but I do believe in traditional

00:29:51.920 gender roles. 1.00

00:29:52.500 I think it's really healthy for a society.

00:29:54.060 So the idea that we're not teaching boys to be boys anymore, not teaching girls to 0.98

00:29:58.000 be girls, I mean, obviously, listen, I'm trans.

00:30:00.360 But I think you can...

00:30:01.940 But you're trans, but you're not saying that the categories of gender are meaningless.

00:30:05.700 Quite the opposite, right?

00:30:06.720 You can support traditional gender roles and traditional gender while, you know, acknowledging

00:30:11.160 that there are some people that fall outside of that.

00:30:13.140 I do think that they should just keep it separate.

00:30:15.420 You know what I mean?

00:30:15.900 Like, I think that's good for little boys to be around with little boys, etc.

00:30:19.040 Ariel, are you going to send your daughter into the Boy Scouts?

00:30:21.420 Make a good Eagle Scout of her?

00:30:24.200 Well, I think what was interesting about their announcement was that they were saying,

00:30:27.260 oh, you know, we want to do this because there are some girls that want to be part of 0.99

00:30:32.080 the Boy Scout mission.

00:30:33.040 And I said to myself, well, isn't this why we have the Girl Scouts?

00:30:36.740 Yeah.

00:30:37.560 Beckett Adams actually had a great tweet today on Twitter where he said eventually they're

00:30:41.900 just going to, you know, the Boy Scouts are going to be flooded with girls. 0.71

00:30:45.280 So then the boys are going to leave the Boy Scouts and head to the Girl Scouts.

00:30:49.160 They're going to join the Girl Scouts.

00:30:51.080 Yeah, we're just going to have a total switching of roles and then we'll rename them again to

00:30:54.560 the Girl Scout and the Boy Scouts.

00:30:56.380 So I think, you know, there's something crucially important about how we, you know, I went to

00:31:02.360 single sex education for nine years from kindergarten to eighth grade.

00:31:05.780 I found it to be hugely beneficial to have sort of an environment that was girls only, 1.00

00:31:11.700 but a way for you to, you know, relate to other women without sort of the social pressures

00:31:18.260 that boys might present in the picture.

00:31:19.980 So I think there's something really valuable about having the same, preserving the sanctity

00:31:23.860 of girls only Girl Scouts and boys only Boy Scouts.

00:31:27.100 But that's just my sort of personal opinion.

00:31:29.720 There's been lots of research done that shows that boys' brains develop very differently

00:31:33.900 than girls' brains. 1.00

00:31:35.080 And, you know, when you tailor an experience to match that developmental path, it can be

00:31:40.220 hugely beneficial.

00:31:41.200 I don't know necessarily how they'll be able to carry this out if there's some sort of

00:31:45.380 mixing.

00:31:45.920 But, you know, that's totally up to them. 0.95

00:31:47.800 I think it's pretty, I think it's utterly ridiculous.

00:31:50.080 I think we'll see some pushback from some parents, but only time will tell.

00:31:54.100 You know, Ariel, having gone to school from all of those years that you were in single

00:31:58.480 sex education, having gone to a school where boys and girls co-mingle and go to school together,

00:32:03.400 I too will be sending my daughter to a single sex education school. 1.00

00:32:06.420 I think it's a great idea, you know, different ways it develops and keep them away from those 0.97

00:32:09.940 awful, awful boys.

00:32:12.080 Amber, the Girl Scouts are not happy about this. 0.98

00:32:14.680 They sent out a statement last time the Boy Scouts moved in this direction, basically

00:32:18.660 saying, keep your hands off our Scouts.

00:32:20.680 We don't want our organization to dissolve.

00:32:24.360 Will this kind of gender discourse that's happening right now, will this lead to the end 0.97

00:32:29.860 of all-female institutions, such as all-female sports, all-female educational institutions?

00:32:37.180 If single-sex schools have to admit boys now, then wither single-sex schools?

00:32:43.560 Yeah, I don't know if it's going to be across the board.

00:32:46.680 For example, sports is obviously a terrible idea, because as much as liberals would have

00:32:50.900 you believe, boys and girls are biologically different, and it's really dangerous, actually,

00:32:55.820 to have them playing in sports together.

00:32:57.480 In terms of just specifically, the Boy Scouts and the Girl Scouts, I actually tweeted about

00:33:00.880 this earlier today.

00:33:01.720 I was in Girl Scouts for three years, and I sympathize with them being worried that the

00:33:06.540 Boy Scouts are going to steal their Scouts away, because Girl Scouts was absolutely terrible.

00:33:10.040 I actually ended up quitting, because I was so bored, because I was kind of a tomboy

00:33:14.480 when I was young.

00:33:15.760 So I wanted to go and make fires, and shoot guns, and shoot-

00:33:19.460 All I wanted to do was eat cookies. 0.90

00:33:21.180 If only we could have traded places.

00:33:23.160 I know, right?

00:33:24.900 So I was always really jealous of the Boy Scouts, because they got to go off and go camping

00:33:29.920 and do all this cool stuff, and Girl Scouts, at least with my troop leader, didn't get

00:33:33.320 to do that.

00:33:33.980 But the answer to that isn't to take away the boys-only and girls-only spaces that,

00:33:39.400 like Arielle said, I think are super important to development.

00:33:42.400 The answer is to just make Girl Scouts better. 1.00

00:33:45.800 Make the Girl Scouts better.

00:33:46.980 I know.

00:33:47.300 I agree.

00:33:47.720 We need more cookie flavors.

00:33:49.140 Absolutely.

00:33:49.900 I couldn't agree more, Amber.

00:33:50.900 Okay, that is all of our time today.

00:33:52.700 Panel, thank you for being here, especially Blair White.

00:33:56.020 Thank you for being here.

00:33:56.860 So nice to have you in studio.

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The Michael Knowles Show - October 11, 2017

Ep. 39 - Day of the Girl ft. Blaire White

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