The Michael Knowles Show

00:00:00.000 They're turning the fricking penguins gay. More specifically, they're turning the penguins

00:00:07.240 transgender and then giving them gay penguin parents at an aquarium in London. We will examine

00:00:13.860 a brief history of the sexual revolution in the animal kingdom. Then three pieces of great news

00:00:21.280 all in a row for the Trump administration. Some bad news in the democratic primary,

00:00:25.700 especially for Joe Biden, as we head into tonight's debate. And finally the mailbag,

00:00:29.580 all that and more. I'm Michael Knowles and this is the Michael Knowles show.

00:00:39.380 You know, I've been a little under the weather the past few days. This has given me more of a

00:00:43.940 gravelly voice. And I wondered, I thought, Lord, why do I have this sickness on a very busy week?

00:00:49.200 Then I realized it was all so that I could perfect my Alex Jones voice for the biggest story of the

00:00:54.980 day. They are turning the fricking penguins gay. Can we get Alex Jones up here about the frog

00:00:59.540 because I don't like gay people? I don't like them putting chemicals in the water that turn

00:01:04.660 the frigging frogs gay. Do you understand that? Serious crap. Forget the frogs. They are turning

00:01:13.920 the penguins gay. A London aquarium has announced that two lesbian penguins are now going to raise

00:01:23.200 a genderless penguin chick. How is that possible? That you would maybe suggest there are a few

00:01:30.000 problems with this. One, penguins aren't lesbians. And two, lesbians can't produce a child. And three,

00:01:37.960 despite gender ideology existing in the academy and in the mainstream media and in left-wing politics,

00:01:44.580 in the human world, in the animal kingdom, our gender ideologies don't quite apply. And the penguin

00:01:52.360 will either be a male penguin or a female penguin. None of that matters. The way that this is happening

00:01:58.280 is that the zookeepers or the aquarium keepers in London have identified two penguins who spend a lot

00:02:04.920 of time together, both female, they've called them lesbians. They then took an egg from another penguin

00:02:12.880 couple, taken it away from its parents, and then given it to these lesbian penguins. And then they're

00:02:19.860 going to raise the penguin without any of the stereotypes of the gendered penguin society. I don't

00:02:27.820 think there are really any stereotypes. And the whole thing doesn't make a lot of sense. It also,

00:02:32.680 before we get to the London Aquarium trying to defend this bizarre decision, I should point out

00:02:39.680 what the left is actually doing here is ripping a child away from its parents and keeping it in a

00:02:46.620 cage, which is the same thing that we've heard is the worst possible thing in the world for the past

00:02:51.840 two years of the Trump administration. There's nothing worse than taking a child away from its parents

00:02:56.120 and keeping it in a cage. And yet that is exactly what the left is doing with this poor,

00:03:00.380 would-be genderless penguin and the lesbians at the London Aquarium. That point is neither here nor

00:03:05.020 there. Here is a staff member of the London Aquarium defending this decision and explaining

00:03:12.660 how exactly a penguin can be raised without a gender. What we wanted to do was to take the

00:03:19.280 opportunity to raise the whole conversation with guests who come through to the aquarium just to

00:03:24.720 raise that exact point, that there is a difference between gender and sex. And in terms of the way that

00:03:30.380 we manage the colony at the aquarium, we wouldn't manage them differently based on whether they

00:03:35.000 are females or males. What we wanted to do with this chick was give guests an opportunity to

00:03:40.700 meet that individual and learn about its personality without assigning it any sort of preconceived sort

00:03:47.500 of gender roles. What gender roles are there in the penguin kingdom? I mean, all penguins wear

00:03:54.240 tuxedos. They don't even have gender roles in terms of their clothing. They all wear the male

00:03:58.140 clothing. Again, neither here nor there. Also, what makes you think that you can take away the

00:04:05.160 gender roles, if there are gender roles, from the penguins? You can't talk to the penguins. You can't

00:04:11.480 tell the penguins to behave a certain way. You can't educate the penguins. They're penguins. They don't

00:04:16.580 have higher intellect. So many errors in what she said. The big error that she begins with is that there

00:04:24.140 is a difference between gender and sex. This is what we have been told. This is now being taught

00:04:28.820 in first grade. This is being taught all the way back in our public schooling and in the popular

00:04:33.420 culture. There is no difference between gender and sex. The very fact that they make this statement

00:04:41.220 so breathlessly shows you that they don't have a very good argument here. For basically all of human

00:04:46.600 history, there was sex. What is your sex? You can be either male or female, man or a woman.

00:04:53.200 Then, in the popular use of the language about 50 years ago, the term gender was introduced to apply

00:05:00.040 to human beings. Gender never really applied to human beings before. Gender is a grammatical term.

00:05:06.540 When you're learning a foreign language, you have gendered nouns, for instance, masculine and feminine.

00:05:11.700 Pizza ends in A. That's a feminine noun. Gatto is a masculine noun. Ends in an O.

00:05:22.860 They applied this term to human beings to create the impression that there is a difference between

00:05:29.380 sex and gender. But there isn't any actual distinction. You don't just have to take my word

00:05:36.080 for it. You can ask them for this. You know, one of the arguments that leftists use to say that

00:05:41.400 there's a difference. Because you'll say, what is the difference between sex and gender? They'll say,

00:05:45.480 well, sex is biological and gender is socially constructed. But then they immediately contradict

00:05:51.040 themselves when they say that people can be, for instance, females born in male bodies,

00:05:58.080 women born in men's bodies. Or they'll say, you know, that their brains are female, but the rest of

00:06:04.220 their bodies are male. If that is the case, then gender is not socially constructed. Then gender is

00:06:14.060 innate, just like biology, right? If you're, if you were born as a man inside a woman's body or a woman

00:06:19.640 inside a man's body, then it's not a social construction of gender. They're both innate.

00:06:24.060 They're both with you from the beginning. You didn't choose to be that way. You were born this way.

00:06:28.480 Or if you say that you have a male brain and a female body or vice versa, then again,

00:06:34.200 that's not socially constructed because the brain is biological. That's physical matter.

00:06:38.640 So any way you slice it, what they're trying to say is sex and gender are both biological.

00:06:44.920 And sometimes what they're trying to say is sex and gender are both socially constructed.

00:06:48.460 As in the case of when you hear these leftists say that you can have a biologically female penis

00:06:54.220 or a biologically male uterus. They can't reconcile this because they, they can't grant themselves

00:07:01.200 the, the notion that there is such thing as a metaphysical world or as a soul or as something

00:07:06.200 that isn't just a matter. So any way you slice it on their own arguments, there is no difference

00:07:12.540 between sex and gender. And I know that this is being taught everywhere. The best way to confront

00:07:17.120 this argument is just ask them, what's the difference? And then when they say, well, one is socially

00:07:21.460 constructed, you say, well, what if you're born this way? If you're born this way, it's not socially

00:07:26.040 constructed. What if you have a male brain and a female body? It will break down. That argument

00:07:30.260 breaks down. This tells us quite a lot. The reason I bring up the penguins, obviously I don't really

00:07:37.320 care about the sexual habits of penguins, but the way that we human beings treat sex in the animal

00:07:43.660 kingdom tells us a lot about how we treat sex among ourselves. And this has been going on a long

00:07:50.140 time. And coincidentally, penguins, for some reason are always the subjects we use going back to the

00:07:55.920 gay penguins, so-called of the 1990s. We'll get to that in one second. Then we'll get to great news

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00:10:20.360 Okay. Back in the 90s, the late 90s, 1998 or so, we began to hear about two gay penguins at the

00:10:29.420 Central Park Zoo, Roy and Silo. They were the talk of the town. The New York Times eventually started

00:10:36.460 writing columns about them, especially by 2003, 2004. They titled one of the columns, one of the

00:10:43.360 articles rather. The love that dare not squeak its name. They talked about how Roy and Silo were

00:10:50.780 inseparable. They had no interest in female penguins. They had sex with each other. I mean,

00:10:56.160 a lot more than you ever wanted to know about these penguins. All of a sudden, gay penguins started

00:11:01.080 cropping up all over the place. Everyone started seeing gay penguins. They said, this is totally

00:11:04.960 normal. You see this throughout the whole animal kingdom. They ended up at the Central Park Zoo taking

00:11:09.720 an egg from another couple and giving it to Roy and Silo to raise. And that penguin became Tango.

00:11:15.740 And then they said that Tango was a lesbian penguin and so on and so forth. They burst out of the

00:11:20.760 headlines, though, the following year in 2005, when Roy and Silo apparently broke up and Silo shacked

00:11:27.760 up with a lady penguin. Apparently, nature won out in the end for Silo. After that, even the New York

00:11:33.500 Times admitted, no one ever actually saw Roy and Silo have sex. There's no evidence that they were

00:11:39.260 actually a couple or anything like that. The New York Times admitted they were anthropomorphizing.

00:11:46.780 They were reading into the penguins what we were seeing and what we wanted to see in our human

00:11:51.980 society. I think it's no coincidence that Roy and Silo magically appeared onto the scene as gay

00:11:57.080 penguins the exact same year that Will and Grace premiered on network television. And that premiere of

00:12:02.180 Will and Grace was kind of a cultural marker of the mainstreaming of homosexuality in the American

00:12:08.000 public consciousness and popular culture. We then reflect that in the animal kingdom. And we're

00:12:13.260 seeing the same thing with gender ideology now, but 20 years later, all of a sudden now we're seeing

00:12:18.780 genderless penguins, transgender penguins. And of course, there's no such thing as a transgender penguin

00:12:25.920 because even by the own language of the left, right, you have your sex, which is natural,

00:12:31.580 and then you have your gender identity, which is a matter of self-perception.

00:12:35.340 Penguins don't have self-perception. I don't talk to penguins. I can't really know their thoughts.

00:12:40.560 That's sort of the point. Penguins don't have language. We can't communicate with them.

00:12:44.800 Penguins do not have consciousness. They do not have the higher intellect. They do not have

00:12:49.360 free will, which is what separates human beings from animals. We are simply superimposing our own new

00:12:56.400 bizarre views on gender onto these animals. You know, you need a higher intellect,

00:13:02.320 as only humans have, in order to even come up with so irrational a concept as transgender ideology.

00:13:11.280 Even, you know, people make fun of Alex Jones, right? Alex Jones said they're turning the freaking

00:13:15.960 frogs gay. Can we just get that again? I just really, I want to hear the precision of his argument.

00:13:20.040 Because I don't like gay people. I don't like them putting chemicals in the water that turn the

00:13:24.900 freaking frogs gay. Do you understand that? Serious crap. You know, people made fun of Alex Jones for

00:13:34.280 saying that they're turning the freaking frogs gay. And it is true he didn't get that quite right.

00:13:38.880 But ironically, what nobody knows is the thing that he got wrong in his analysis is that he didn't go

00:13:44.900 far enough. It turns out they weren't turning the freaking frogs gay. They were turning the freaking

00:13:48.980 frogs transgender in a certain sense. There were these chemicals in the water in the ponds in Connecticut

00:13:54.180 that were turning the frogs, I guess you'd say, hermaphroditic. They had both male and female

00:14:03.140 reproductive cells. So they had sperm and they had eggs in them. It was something like one in eight

00:14:08.880 frogs that were being investigated by Yale researchers, EPA-appointed Yale researchers in

00:14:14.100 Connecticut. So the irony here, and he'll never get credit for it, is that Alex Jones actually was sort

00:14:18.420 of modest in his analysis of what was going on with the frogs, and he didn't go far enough. But even

00:14:23.360 in that case where you have these chemically induced deformities in the frogs, even that is not

00:14:29.480 transgenderism. It's a kind of strange biological quirk that's going on because of chemicals in the

00:14:35.800 frogs. But a concept, a concept such as transgenderism or homosexuality or whatever is essentially

00:14:46.440 human. You see that. These concepts and the meaning that we impose on those and the way that

00:14:53.620 that meaning changes over time as our culture reinterprets these ideas and comes to new

00:14:59.720 understandings is human. It's silly. It's ridiculous. It doesn't tell us about the penguins.

00:15:07.280 It doesn't tell us about the frogs. It's pretty funny to think that we're talking about lesbian penguins

00:15:12.260 and transgender frogs and all those things. It doesn't tell us about the animals. What it tells

00:15:17.060 us is about the psyche of the zookeepers themselves. And what it tells us is the cultural

00:15:24.200 understanding and the psychological strangeness of the people, the societies, the culture who are

00:15:31.800 looking at those animals. When we're looking at those penguins and those frogs and seeing all sorts

00:15:36.580 of strange things, what we're really looking at is a mirror and we're seeing ourselves. Let's get off

00:15:42.340 of gay penguins for a second and let's get to much more important political news. Huge three back-to-back

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00:17:36.940 Great news down at the southern border. The wall is being built. We have wall, at least 60 miles

00:17:46.420 of new wall currently being built. We have proof of this from Customs and Border Protection. That's the

00:17:54.580 same Customs and Border Protection that just a month or two ago came out and said that not one

00:17:58.420 inch of new wall has been built. Now we have drone footage. We can see it with our own eyes.

00:18:03.220 We've got 60 miles of new wall being built, which is good. I mean, that is basically about 10%

00:18:09.640 of the currently existing wall. We have about 650 miles or so of currently built wall. And so if you

00:18:17.260 add another 60 to that, you're upwards near 10% of what already exists. And they're looking forward to a

00:18:23.400 lot more. CBP said they expect to build 450 miles of wall before the year is out. And you might say

00:18:30.600 that sounds ambitious. Yeah, it could be ambitious. Though we did the math on this show about a week

00:18:37.000 ago between the new amount of money, I think it was two and a half billion dollars that Trump was able

00:18:41.960 to get from the Pentagon because of that new Supreme Court ruling. Between that and I think another

00:18:48.640 3.6 billion dollars that Trump was able to get and to divert from other projects into building the

00:18:53.760 wall. If you look at the cost per mile, it looks as though Trump could get up to 900 some odd, even up

00:18:59.760 to 1100 miles of wall total, which comes out to a total of about 450 new miles of wall. It looks like

00:19:07.840 they're actually on track for that. This would be huge, huge with a Y to use the president's word.

00:19:15.220 And what it shows you is not just the importance of sound immigration policy, not just the importance

00:19:22.300 of persistence. It shows you the importance of the judges. We would not have gotten this wall

00:19:30.600 if the Supreme Court in a 5-4 decision that would have been a 7-2 decision if Hillary Clinton had won

00:19:40.520 that election and appointed left-wing judges in a 5-4 decision, I guess it would have been a 6-3

00:19:45.500 decision probably, against Trump. Well, I guess it wouldn't be against Trump. There wouldn't be any

00:19:51.080 decision in the first place. They wouldn't be trying to build the wall because Hillary would

00:19:54.420 be in charge of the government. But even whenever you get to the next Republican president, we would

00:19:59.180 have lost at the court because of the judges. And if we lost at the court, that two and a half

00:20:05.840 billion dollars goes away. Who knows how many other judicial decisions would have gone away.

00:20:13.820 The courts mattered and the courts mattered. Therefore, the election mattered. 2016 had to

00:20:20.780 get a Republican in there, not just on building the wall, but on immigration more broadly. You know,

00:20:26.300 there was a big decision came out from asylum today and a 7-2 decision from the Supreme Court.

00:20:32.800 Ginsburg and Sotomayor dissenting. The Supreme Court upheld the administration's ability to

00:20:40.900 reduce the number of people seeking asylum at the southern border. So right now, one of the big

00:20:47.260 ways into the country is you've got economic migrants coming through. Some of them have kids.

00:20:52.360 Many of them aren't even their own kids. And they come through and they say, okay, we got caught.

00:20:56.440 We got pinched. We are going to claim asylum in America. We came from El Salvador, Honduras, or

00:21:03.560 wherever, Guatemala. Now we're going to claim asylum. Except they don't really need asylum. They're

00:21:11.140 economic migrants. What this new rule does, the White House said, if you leave your country because

00:21:18.340 you're fleeing violence, and then you pass through another country, for instance, Mexico, without

00:21:25.020 claiming asylum there first, and you just try to get it in the United States, you will be automatically

00:21:30.620 rejected for your asylum claim. Because obviously, you're not really seeking asylum. You're seeking

00:21:35.560 a way better life in America, because America is way better than Mexico. I don't even blame the

00:21:40.420 people who are coming through who say, okay, I'm going to use a fake asylum claim, or I'm going to

00:21:44.940 skip over Mexico because I really want to end up in America. I don't blame them. I would probably do

00:21:48.800 the same thing. That's all fine. The United States has a right to protect its own borders. The citizens

00:21:55.340 of the United States have a right to their own country. The citizens of the United States have

00:21:59.680 a right to make our own laws. We are a democratic republic. We get to govern ourselves.

00:22:08.980 There are economic migrants coming up from Central and South America. They're pursuing their interest.

00:22:13.400 Fine. We have a national interest, and we have something to protect. And if we don't protect our

00:22:17.960 country, there's no country to flee to in the first place. This is a great rule coming out of

00:22:22.640 the White House. And it made it all the way up to the Supreme Court because of an interesting history

00:22:28.780 at the courts. So at the federal level, at the district court, an Obama-appointed federal judge,

00:22:34.000 John Tygar, based in San Francisco, tells you everything you need to know, blocked the rule.

00:22:39.280 Tygar wrote, quote, while the public has a weighty interest in the efficient administration of

00:22:44.340 the immigration laws at the border, it also has a substantial interest in ensuring that

00:22:48.160 the statutes enacted by its representatives are not imperiled by executive fiat. And he said that

00:22:55.000 the rule stopping this new White House policy would vindicate the public's interest, which our

00:22:59.920 existing immigration laws clearly articulate in ensuring that we do not deliver aliens into the

00:23:04.740 hands of their persecutors. So basically what he said is, yeah, you want to enforce immigration law,

00:23:09.160 but I don't want to. And so we're not going to let you do that. Sure. Yeah. We have laws about

00:23:15.880 keeping foreign nationals out of our country and not letting them invade our country and not letting

00:23:20.240 them cross into the border illegally. Sure. We have that, but we also have laws about asylum. So let's

00:23:26.200 just forget all the first laws and we'll only have the second laws. Now you might be asking, how did it

00:23:33.360 make it all the way up to the Supreme Court? Because it first went to the ninth district court of appeals,

00:23:38.100 the most liberal court in the land, right? Not so much anymore. How did the most liberal court in

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00:25:45.200 the Trump rule on asylum. Then goes to the ninth district court of, ninth circuit court of appeals.

00:25:50.260 Bad news, right? That's the most liberal court in the country. Ninth circuit actually tightened up

00:25:56.160 judge Tiger's decision and said that judge Tiger's decision would only apply to Arizona and California.

00:26:02.420 So it actually allowed the white house rule to work in New Mexico and Texas. That's pretty

00:26:08.380 interesting. Ninth circuit actually helped out the Trump administration. Then it goes to the Supreme

00:26:12.140 Court. Supreme Court gave the white house permission to, to issue the rule nationwide.

00:26:17.960 This is all because of 2016. This is all because Donald Trump got elected president.

00:26:23.900 The ninth circuit gave Trump a partial win and then the Supreme Court gave Trump a hard,

00:26:28.960 full win because of the 2016 election. The Washington Post actually prophesied this in February.

00:26:39.080 They said, quote, thanks to Trump, the liberal ninth circuit is no longer liberal.

00:26:46.660 That's what elections do. And the, the people who vote for in those elections and the candidates

00:26:51.780 who run in those elections don't always get the credit for it because you just see the effects

00:26:55.080 years later. I mean, we're already three years after the 2016 election.

00:26:58.260 The judges matter. Judges were a big issue in 2016. The judges get lifetime appointments.

00:27:04.680 And now so much of our lawmaking process has been outsourced to the courts. It's been outsourced to

00:27:09.920 not just the Supreme Court, but all the other courts too. When Bush signed McCain-Feingold,

00:27:15.500 the anti-First Amendment legislation about campaign finance in, in the early 2000s,

00:27:22.280 he said it might be unconstitutional, but he was going to let the courts decide that.

00:27:27.660 It's not just the courts that have a duty to uphold the constitution. It's the executive and

00:27:31.920 it's the legislature too. But they say, no, we don't want to deal with it. We're going to put

00:27:35.720 that on the courts. So the courts now have become a hugely outsized, important aspect of our lawmaking

00:27:42.300 process. Some anti-Trump conservatives still say 2016 wasn't worth it. Why? Because Kavanaugh seems a

00:27:49.720 little squishy. You know, maybe he's good on administrative law, but he's, he's not going to

00:27:53.960 be as good on say Roe versus Wade. That's the prediction. Kennedy liked him too much. He's one

00:27:59.220 of Kennedy's handpicked successors. Gorsuch maybe is a little better. Who knows? But there are more

00:28:06.100 courts in the country than the Supreme Court of the United States. The vast majority of court decisions

00:28:10.460 are made at the lower level. And yesterday, cocaine Mitch McConnell confirmed his 150th judge

00:28:18.580 since Trump's inauguration. Way outpacing Barack Obama, who at this point in his presidency only

00:28:23.860 had 94 judges confirmed in the same amount of time. Elections matter. You don't win by losing.

00:28:30.480 You don't win by losing. Democrats want to pretend you win by losing. That's the third piece of great

00:28:35.380 news for the White House today. In the most closely watched elections since the 2018 midterm elections,

00:28:41.180 the GOP went two for two in North Carolina. Big elections out of North Carolina. Most important one

00:28:46.940 was in North Carolina's ninth congressional district. There was some alleged fraud there

00:28:50.800 in 2018. That caused the state election board to actually call for a new election there. In 2018,

00:28:57.640 the Republican candidate got 905 more votes than the Democrat. This week, the Republican Dan Bishop

00:29:03.440 beat Democrat Dan McCready 51 to 49. Not a huge win, but decisive. Pretty clear who won that. Two points

00:29:11.080 is pretty good in elections. Especially important is Dan Bishop is a conservative lightning rod. He is

00:29:18.600 the guy, when Obama started trying to make public schools all over the country, let men go into the

00:29:23.600 little girl's bathroom, Dan Bishop was a guy who wrote the bathroom bills in North Carolina.

00:29:30.780 And he said, no, men have to use the men's room and women have to use the women's room. And grown men

00:29:34.800 can't go into the little girl's room. And this was somehow controversial. Here's Dan Bishop on his

00:29:39.720 victory. Tonight, the voters of North Carolina sent a message that shouldn't just be heard in the,

00:29:48.740 within the confines of the ninth district. It should reverberate across this country and in the halls of

00:29:56.940 the Capitol. The voters said no to the radical liberal policies being pushed by today's democratic

00:30:07.360 party. Tonight was the first step toward taking back the house of representatives in 2020 to keep

00:30:14.200 this country on a path of prosperity and strength. He's looking ahead to 2020. He's saying, look guys,

00:30:20.260 we won. They said we wouldn't win. We won. We won because the, the American people and

00:30:26.880 our voters are fed up with the left's radical cultural narrative. I mean, Dan Bishop is the

00:30:32.060 bathroom bill guy. That is a culture warrior. That is a cultural issue. And he still won. The

00:30:37.860 left was furious, but they can't concede elections. Al Gore can't concede. Hillary Clinton can't concede.

00:30:43.400 Stacey Abrams, Andrew Gillum, John Ossoff, Beto O'Rourke. None of them can admit that they lost. They all

00:30:49.280 pretend that they won. And so even though the Democrat, Dan McCready lost, really with the way the left is

00:30:55.360 playing it as they say, no, no, no. Secretly he won. New York Times, Mr. Bishop's narrow victory

00:31:01.520 over Dan McCready in a conservative district demonstrated warning signs for President Trump

00:31:07.320 in 2020. Warning signs that we'll win by two, two points. All right. Works for me. Five 38 on paper.

00:31:14.480 It was Republicans who emerged victorious going two for two in two separate congressional elections.

00:31:19.340 That's just on paper. But let's see. What about in the fantasy world? Five 38 goes on. There was

00:31:24.880 also a silver lining for Democrats. Their final vote margin in the Knights Marquis race was much

00:31:30.320 bluer than the district's baseline partisanship. Okay. Five 38 points out Trump won the district by

00:31:38.520 12 points in 2016. Okay. That was a presidential election year. Republicans also won in the off

00:31:48.680 year. 2018. Republicans also won in the off-off year. This wasn't a presidential year. It wasn't

00:31:56.160 even an off year. It was like a random special election that was called. We still won. So what

00:32:00.680 does this mean for 2020? It means Democrats haven't learned any lessons. Not terribly much

00:32:05.780 has changed. And if they're not going to change, then they can expect the same result as 2016.

00:32:11.700 You know, madness is doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting different

00:32:16.220 results. You're seeing this right now. Big poll before we get to the mailbag. Big poll out from

00:32:20.760 economist YouGov that has Biden and Warren tied at 26%. I tend not to care about national polls even

00:32:28.760 when it's in the primary. The only reason this one matters is because Biden's entire campaign

00:32:34.460 is staked on so-called electability. If Biden is no longer the top candidate, he has no argument to be

00:32:41.900 elected. It's it. The campaign goes away. And that's what you're seeing here. A new poll has

00:32:46.980 Warren and Biden at 26%. Sanders at 16%, way down by 10 points. Buttigieg and Harris at 6%.

00:32:53.780 Booker and Yang at 2%. Everyone else below that at 1%. Very interesting poll numbers coming out before

00:33:00.960 tonight's Democratic presidential debate. Should be very interesting to see. I think I'm going to go on

00:33:05.320 Crowder's show tonight so you can catch me there during the debate, but I'll be tweeting throughout

00:33:09.480 the rest of it. And we will have a show tomorrow, so we'll get to that then. Really bad news for Biden,

00:33:15.680 who, by the way, if you believe the other polls, was the Democrats' best hope at beating President

00:33:21.340 Trump. That hope may be fading very fast as the Trump administration is getting lots and lots

00:33:26.900 of wings. Cultural madness around us as they turn the frickin' penguins gay. But on the hard line,

00:33:33.060 real politics on the ground, things are looking up. We'll get to the mailbag in a second. First,

00:33:37.300 I've got to say goodbye to Facebook and YouTube. Go to dailywire.com. You get me. You get the Andrew

00:33:41.960 Klavan show. You get the Ben Shapiro show. You get the Matt Walsh show. You get to ask questions in the mailbag

00:33:46.800 coming up. You get Another Kingdom, which we're going to be recording more today. It's really, really a great

00:33:53.360 manuscript. I think it's the best installment yet. It's going to be a ton of fun. You get backstage.

00:33:57.420 You get all this stuff. You get the Leftist Tears Tumblr. Get it now before it's too late in 2020.

00:34:02.240 Dailywire.com. We'll be right back.

00:34:14.200 First question from Ashley. What do you see as happening to the Trump presidency when he leaves

00:34:19.880 office? I fear that establishment Republicans will throw his policies under the bus, or do you think

00:34:26.060 Trump has tied his policies to GOP political success? Well, very specifically speaking, what I

00:34:33.120 see happening to the Trump presidency when he leaves office is that it will no longer be the Trump

00:34:37.000 presidency. I guess that's sort of a truism. This is important because the stuff that we spend all the

00:34:43.600 time talking about with the Trump administration is his personality, and that will be gone.

00:34:50.580 Only he can do that. Do you remember in 2016, Marco Rubio tried to do that? He tried to be Trump,

00:34:56.060 do a Rickles routine down in Florida about his small hands. Doesn't work. Only Trump can do that.

00:35:02.280 He's an American original. He's a once-in-a-lifetime pop culture star and an A-list celebrity too.

00:35:09.740 So that is going to go away. As for the policies, President Trump has done an incredible thing.

00:35:15.880 I tend to be of the opinion that Ann Coulter is. There's a bit of a divide on the right. Some

00:35:22.220 people think that the American people voted for Trump because of his personality despite his

00:35:27.640 policies. Some people think that we voted for Trump because of his policies, or because of his

00:35:34.820 policies despite his personality. Does that make sense? You know, some people hate the tweets,

00:35:39.200 but they like what he's doing. Some people hate what he's doing or don't care about what he's doing,

00:35:43.120 but they really like the tweets. I very much believe we elected Trump on substance. He presented

00:35:50.320 something that the other candidates did not. The other candidates were trying to resurrect the dead

00:35:57.040 bodies of all the great conservative heroes of the 80s. Ronald Reagan, William F. Buckley Jr.,

00:36:02.680 who helped construct really the whole post-war conservative movement. All of these guys. We were

00:36:08.440 basically trying to just reanimate their corpses, dig them up from the grave, and then just say the

00:36:13.060 same slogans that they said as though we were still fighting the Cold War and it were, you know,

00:36:18.340 the 90s and the 2000s had never happened. And Trump comes along and he just gets rid of that because

00:36:23.240 he wasn't really an ideological, you know, Brooks Brothers wearing, typical college conservative

00:36:31.420 type. He's his own guy. He's just his own man. He's an American original. And so he cleared a lot

00:36:38.000 of that away and opened the door on questions like trade, for instance. It had become, for a very short

00:36:44.120 period of time, really just the 80s through the early 2000s, it became conservative gospel that we

00:36:50.700 had to have unfettered free trade and globalization. This had never been a conservative position.

00:36:55.660 Russell Kirk, in one of the seminal conservative works, The Conservative Mind,

00:36:59.160 says free trade is terrible for conservatism. Conservatives hate it. The Republican Party

00:37:04.380 was founded against free trade, was founded on tariffs. Abraham Lincoln, the first Republican

00:37:08.760 president, said, give me a tariff. I'll give you the greatest country in the world.

00:37:13.700 By the way, not an argument for tariffs, not an argument against free trade. What it's an argument

00:37:17.680 against is this kind of rigid ideological attachment to economic policies and foreign policies of the

00:37:26.140 1980s that were inextricably tied to the Soviet Union. Now the Soviet Union's gone. We finally woke

00:37:32.160 up and realized, hey, wait a second. There is a downside to globalization. Hey, wait a second. Maybe

00:37:36.900 we shouldn't export all of our manufacturing and have it all be overseas. Hey, wait a second. Maybe we

00:37:41.900 should care about blue-collar workers. Hey, wait a second. Hey, wait a second. Maybe we are being taken

00:37:48.860 advantage of on trade deals. Maybe our NATO allies should start actually paying for their own militaries

00:37:53.820 rather than just criticize us all the time and wait for big daddy America to come in and protect

00:37:57.840 them. Hey, wait a second. Maybe Russia isn't the greatest threat when you consider China.

00:38:04.060 Maybe China isn't our greatest ally and Russia our greatest enemy. He shook all of that up. That

00:38:09.400 ain't going nowhere. That is, it is important that we remember those lessons. I think we will

00:38:13.960 because he exposed and ossified dead Republican establishment for what it is, not having answers,

00:38:21.700 not having appeal. And the wise politicians who follow in Trump's wake after Trump leaves the

00:38:27.880 White House are going to get that and they're going to keep it up. From Michael. Michael, I'd like to

00:38:32.540 start getting into great classic novels. Where do you suggest I start? Which do you think are among

00:38:37.520 the best of all time? Funny you're asking me this rather than Clavin because I actually don't read a lot

00:38:44.480 of novels. I much prefer reading philosophy and theology and nonfiction. I like reading history a lot.

00:38:50.540 So I'm not the best guy to go to. Though actually, in a weird way, maybe I am because you want to start

00:38:56.720 getting into this reading. I'm sort of an avatar of that. You know, I've read some of the great works,

00:39:04.360 but it's not like Drew who's read every single book that's ever been written. I would begin with

00:39:08.200 my favorite novel. Coincidentally, it's actually his favorite novel too, Crime and Punishment by

00:39:13.540 Dostoevsky. It's a wonderful novel about an axe murderer and you'll think that he's writing about you.

00:39:20.540 And your soul. That's a wonderful novel. What other novels do I really like?

00:39:24.500 I like a lot of Italian novels. There's one called The Betrothed by Monzoni. That's a great novel.

00:39:29.380 It's called I Promessi Sposi in Italian. Very good. Sort of conservative novel. I love, let's see,

00:39:37.060 Wuthering Heights. I like that if you want a little more romance in your day.

00:39:41.280 I'll have to think on this a little bit more, but start with Crime and Punishment. Start with Dostoevsky,

00:39:44.740 some of the Russians. I think that'll, it's a good way in for people who like nonfiction because

00:39:48.940 they're dealing with such meaty philosophical questions. From Scotty. Protestant friend of

00:39:55.640 yours here. I'm not against the idea of purgatory because it does seem to fulfill some theological

00:40:02.020 questions that some struggle with. Have you come across biblical evidence for purgatory? Yes.

00:40:08.760 Yeah. Here's some evidence from Psalm 66. Thou didst let men ride over our heads. We went through

00:40:18.100 fire and through water, yet thou hast brought us forth to a spacious place. Now, in the view of

00:40:24.640 Origen and St. Ambrose, this was an evidence of purgatory, the imagery of the fire. So it is a fire.

00:40:31.280 It is a cleansing and a punishment, but it is a fire that actually cleanses you and allows you to go

00:40:36.940 into the spacious place. From Isaiah, this was a citation good enough for St. Augustine in the city

00:40:43.840 of God. Isaiah writes, when the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion

00:40:49.160 and cleansed the bloodstains of Jerusalem from its midst by a spirit of judgment and by a spirit of

00:40:55.960 burning. Here you have the spirit of judgment, the spirit of burning. What is that judgment? What is

00:41:02.140 that burning? This is purgatorial language. Then you have in 2nd Maccabees, which is a book that

00:41:07.800 Martin Luther took out of the Bible, but at least the Catholics and the Orthodox still like it. And

00:41:13.280 even some of the church fathers who didn't like what are called the deuterocanonical books that many

00:41:17.680 Protestant denominations have taken out of the Bible, even they liked the books, or many of the

00:41:22.580 books, in so much as they were good reading for catechumens and people entering the faith. They just

00:41:27.460 didn't think they should be included in the canon of the Bible itself. But in 2nd Maccabees, you see

00:41:32.140 a pretty clear evidence of it. For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise

00:41:37.960 again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. But if he was looking to the

00:41:44.080 splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought.

00:41:49.620 Therefore, he made atonement for the dead that they might be delivered from their sin. So you've got

00:41:55.180 these people who have died in a certain sin, and yet we on earth are praying for the dead that there

00:42:01.480 is hope for them in heaven. I mean, this is a clear description of purgatory. This series of verses

00:42:12.120 was good enough for Origen, St. Irenaeus, St. Ambrose, St. Augustine, and St. Jerome, who all viewed this as a

00:42:18.100 description of purgatory. Then in the gospels themselves, you have Matthew 5.22, but I say to

00:42:24.060 you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment. Whoever insults his

00:42:28.340 brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, you fool or raka shall be liable to the hell

00:42:35.800 of fire. So what you have here are different kinds of judgment, different levels of judgment,

00:42:42.120 different levels of liability. Also in Matthew chapter 5, make friends quickly with your accuser

00:42:48.480 while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge and the judge to the

00:42:53.560 guard and you be put in prison. Truly I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last

00:43:00.060 penny. So you will get out. You're in this sort of spiritual prison. You will get out, but you must

00:43:05.280 pay the last penny. This is a very purgatorial language. Also in Matthew chapter 12, whoever says

00:43:12.060 a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not

00:43:16.660 be forgiven either in this age or in the age of come, different sorts of, or in the age to come.

00:43:23.300 These are different sorts of sins. And then this is probably the clearest description of it among

00:43:28.760 those of us who believe in purgatory from 1 Corinthians, from St. Paul. For no other foundation

00:43:34.440 can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now, if anyone builds on the foundation

00:43:39.860 with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each man's work will become manifest for

00:43:45.920 the day we'll disclose it because it will be revealed with fire and the fire will test what

00:43:50.180 sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives,

00:43:55.700 he will receive a reward. If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself

00:44:02.340 will be saved, but only as through fire. This makes certain people who deny our participation

00:44:10.440 in the divine scheme and those who deny the existence of purgatory and those who deny the

00:44:17.120 particular judgment, this makes them very uncomfortable because here you have the language

00:44:20.540 of work, here you have the language of burning up, and here you have the language of being saved,

00:44:26.660 but only as through fire. So, to me, to this lay person who is not a great theologian, who is not

00:44:33.700 really even a competent apologist, it seems to me that the scriptural evidence for purgatory

00:44:41.540 is overwhelming, and there is a great tradition of our understanding of purgatory, and of course,

00:44:50.680 scripture tells us to listen to the tradition, to listen to what we have been told as well.

00:44:55.640 So, even that, even non-scriptural tradition is a scriptural tradition, and so it seems to me that

00:45:02.460 the case for purgatory is quite sound, and the case against purgatory is pretty weak.

00:45:07.040 Let's try to take one more question from Candace. Is it true that your wife is a doctor? So funny you

00:45:12.400 ask that, Candace. My wife is a doctor. Dr. Sweet Little Elisa got her PhD last week. She is a doctor.

00:45:21.100 Now, I should clarify, she's not a physician. She is a doctor. So, doctor is a Latin word. It means

00:45:27.560 teacher. Doctor comes from the Latin verb docere. She now has her PhD, her doctorate, and then she

00:45:35.360 may teach because she's in the academy. So, she's a doctor. Some people get this confused, you know,

00:45:41.240 with like surgeons and physicians and stuff. But anyway, my wife is a doctor. Yes, indeed. That's our show.

00:45:47.520 We'll be back tomorrow. After the debate, enjoy it tonight. In the meantime, I'm Michael Knowles.

00:45:51.900 This is The Michael Knowles Show. I'll see you then.

00:45:53.320 Because I don't like gay people. I don't like them putting chemicals in the water that turn the

00:45:58.400 friggin' frogs gay. Do you understand that? Serious crap.

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