Ep. 423 - Civil War 2： Electric Boogaloo
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Here Comes the Civil War, proving Karl Marx s adage that history repeats itself first as tragedy, then as farce. We will get into all the farcical aspects of it, from Rudy Giuliani s excellent performance on George Stephanopoulos' show to the Ukraine, to the White House, to everything in between.
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President Trump raises the prospect of civil war.
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The questions of slavery and states' rights cause the first civil war.
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Will Joe Biden's son's degenerate business dealings in Ukraine cause a second one?
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We will examine the likelihood of Civil War II electric boogaloo.
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I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.
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Here comes the Civil War, proving Karl Marx's adage that history repeats itself first as
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We will get into all the farcical aspects of it, from Rudy Giuliani's excellent performance
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on George Stephanopoulos' show, to the Ukraine, to the White House, to Joe Biden, to everything
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The proximate cause is President Trump on Twitter, it's always on Twitter, quoted a
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Southern Baptist pastor named Robert Jeffress who said, quote, if the Democrats, this is
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quoting both the pastor and President Trump's tweet.
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If the Democrats are successful in removing the president from office, which they will
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never be, it will cause a civil war like fracture in this nation from which our country
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They lose, I don't know, how do you lose your mind if you don't have your mind anymore?
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It's not their mind anymore and they don't have it.
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President Trump didn't say we're headed for civil war.
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Robert Jeffress didn't say that we're headed towards civil war.
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I'm beginning to wonder if leftists in this country are not just misguided but illiterate
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The way that they pervert language, the way that they call men women and women men and
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say that some people don't have any gender and use they, which is the plural pronoun,
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And now in New York City, you can't even say the phrase illegal alien without incurring
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Let's look at what they actually said, Jeffress and Trump.
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In the tweet, they say, it will cause a civil war-like fracture in this nation, on and on.
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But the premise is, if the Democrats are successful in removing the president from office, they're
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I'm saying this because even if they impeach Trump, which they currently don't really have
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the votes for in the House, even if they did, they don't have the Senate.
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So they're probably not even going to take it up for a vote on whether or not to convict
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Even if they did take it up for a vote, even if there was not one Republican in the Senate,
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even if the Senate was all Democrats, according to a morning consult poll from last week,
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not even two-thirds of Democrats in this country support impeachment.
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You would need 67% to convict the president and remove him from office.
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So even if you got rid of every Republican in the country, and specifically every Republican
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in the Senate, they still wouldn't remove Trump from office.
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Not going to happen, which is why Jeffress and then Trump quoting him said, even if the
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Democrats are successful, parentheses, which they will never be.
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And both the pastor and Trump bring up a question worth talking about.
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Karl Marx observed that history repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce.
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Karl Marx was wrong about many things, but it seems he was right about that.
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There are some parallels between the Civil War and what we're looking at now.
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What caused the Civil War, the actual First Civil War in 1860?
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Most importantly was the moral question of slavery.
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Americans were divided over the question of slavery.
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The founders of this country were debating it in the late 19th century.
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When we wrote the Declaration of Independence, the first draft, one of the grievances that
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we were complaining about to King George was about this awful institution of slavery that
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the English foisted upon the incipient United States, the growing United States.
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So the question of slavery was there from the very beginning of the country, and then that
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After that was the constitutional question about the relative roles of the federal government
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You know, they stay in the Union when it's beneficial to them.
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Once they think it's not beneficial anymore, are they permitted to secede?
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I mean, practically speaking, the proximate cause of the Civil War was the election of
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1860, the presidential election, and the refusal of the South to recognize Abraham Lincoln
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Or I suppose they did recognize him as president.
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They said, we don't want any part of this, and they got out of the Union.
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Abraham Lincoln won just 40% of the popular vote.
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He won more than the other candidates, but he didn't win the majority of the popular
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Lincoln hadn't even been on the ballot in most of the Southern states.
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Of the 11 states that seceded upon his election, only Virginia had any votes cast for Lincoln
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And do you know how many votes were cast for Lincoln in Virginia in 1860?
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A little under 2,000 votes, 1,929 votes, which is 1.15% of the total number of votes cast.
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Of those 1,929 votes, 1,832 of the votes came from territories that would become West Virginia,
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so they were politically not even really associated or recognizable with Virginia as a whole.
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Forget about the other states where Lincoln wasn't on the ballot or there weren't ballots
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to vote for him because presidential election voting in 1860 looked significantly different
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One of the reasons that there were so few votes cast for Lincoln is there was no secret ballot
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We didn't really have a secret ballot before the 1880s, 20 years later, 25 years later.
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So that was one reason why you saw a little more homogeneity with the votes is you had a
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public ballot, so if you cast your vote for Lincoln, you would certainly be socially ostracized,
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So you actually can understand the argument of the South to secede.
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If you put slavery aside, don't even consider that for a second, just look at the practical
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matter with regard to the federal government and the local governments.
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The South felt that they had no say in their federal government, so what's the point of
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If you're part of an organization that you don't think is serving you in any way, why would
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So the cause of civil war, this is the big point, and this is where the relationship
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The cause of the civil war is, generally speaking, an erosion of faith in institutions and systems
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This is true by definition, which is that once you pull out of those institutions, once
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you clobber those institutions, once you storm them and take them down, obviously you don't
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We are looking at a similar crisis today, and on the surface, it's the farcical version.
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So in 1860, the great debate is over human dignity, it's over freedom, it's over slavery,
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Now in 2019, the great debate is how much Joe Biden helped get his crackhead son and no-show
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These are not exactly the same weightiness to those questions, but there is an institutional
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Okay, so in 1860, you've got this debate over human dignity and the nature of man.
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In 2019, you've got this question over whether Joe Biden's degenerate son who squandered his
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family's money on prostitutes and drugs and got mugged while he was buying crack in downtown
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L.A., whether he should be able to keep his grifter board member job on a Ukrainian energy
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But the institutional question is, has the bureaucracy become so entrenched that they can
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overturn a U.S. presidential election, has the federal government taken so much power that it
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Doesn't matter who the people want to be president?
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Doesn't matter who the people through our constitutional systems want to elect?
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The bureaucracy is going to tell you yes or no.
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In 1860, the South felt that they had no say in their federal government anymore.
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If the American people are going to be disfranchised by a growing bureaucracy, our benevolent betters
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who know how to run our lives better than we know how to run them ourselves, just ask them,
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We have just learned that between last May, May of 2018, and August of 2019, keep that last
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date in mind, the intelligence community secretly got rid of a requirement that whistleblowers
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provide direct first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings.
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Because this whole impeachment inquiry was spurred by a whistleblower complaint.
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But what's so strange about that whistleblower complaint, and we'll get into that in a second,
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is the whistleblower doesn't know anything about what President Trump did or didn't do in Ukraine,
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said or didn't say to the Ukrainian president on the telephone.
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He just heard about it from a few people, and then he sent it over, and there was an investigation,
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and Trump was cleared of violations from the DOJ.
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Now, under the old rules, you weren't allowed to file a complaint just based on hearsay.
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Well, coincidentally, shortly before this whistleblower filed his complaint, the intelligence community
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What are the odds that the intelligence community would do that at the very time?
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You know the intelligence community, which tried to overturn the 2016 election,
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which was against Trump from the very beginning?
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There are some great people in the intelligence community, but there are some really bad actors
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out there who were really upset that Trump got elected, and they decided to grossly abuse
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their power and try to overturn the decision of the people.
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Graham 2.0, ever since he became this real bold face of conservatism.
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He brought this question up on Face the Nation, and he made the only conclusion you can draw,
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which is something about this whistleblower complaint stinks.
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Every American deserves to confront their accuser.
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I want to know who told the whistleblower about the phone call.
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I want to know why they changed the rules about whistleblowers, not the hearsay rule was changed
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just a short period of time before the complaint was filed.
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Who helped him, who helped this guy write it or this girl write it?
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We're not going to try the President of the United States based on hearsay.
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Every American has the right to confront their accuser.
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Of course, every American has the right to confront their accuser.
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We're not going to throw President out of office because some random guy in the CIA or any other
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intelligence agency decides that he doesn't like Trump and he's going to write up this complaint.
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There's a lot that's weird about the complaint.
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But Lindsey Graham has been very good about talking about this on TV, about distilling this down to its basics.
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The other one who's been really great is Rudy Giuliani.
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And I know that Rudy gets a lot of flack because sometimes he oversteps or he misstates things
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or he says things on TV that he shouldn't have.
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On this issue, on Ukraine, this is Rudy at his best.
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He's doing an excellent job of shutting down all of the objections from the mainstream media.
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Because don't forget, the media are not a neutral body when it comes to Ukraine.
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The media have been complicit in shutting down this story about Joe Biden's corruption.
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They've been complicit in pushing the Russia hoax.
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They've been complicit in pushing this impeachment nonsense.
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And so Rudy Giuliani goes on George Stephanopoulos' show.
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George Stephanopoulos, he's the head of political news over there at ABC.
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And people forget, because we have a short political attention span,
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George Stephanopoulos was Bill Clinton's communications director.
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In the White House, on the campaign, this guy was in the war room.
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And now that same guy is the head of news for ABC, political news for ABC.
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Rudy Giuliani goes on there and he makes the first point that we should all ask ourselves.
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Whenever there's a political scandal, you should ask yourself,
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if it were the other side doing this, would it bother me as much?
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What would I say if the shoe were on the other foot?
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Now, that doesn't mean that you have to treat both sides equally.
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But you should at least ask yourself so that you have some real political perspective
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That's what Rudy Giuliani asked George Stephanopoulos.
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He says, if the shoe were on the other foot here,
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and we weren't talking about Joe Biden and Hunter Biden,
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would you still say there's nothing wrong, there's nothing to see here?
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I also support everything I say with affidavits.
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I have an affidavit here that's been online for six months that nobody bothered to read
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from the gentleman who was fired, Victor Shokin, the so-called corrupt prosecutor.
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The Biden people say that he wasn't investigating Hunter Biden at the time.
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But as you know, I know he says that under oath.
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But we know that Vice President Biden was part of an international effort,
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was part of a government-wide effort to help push the prosecutor out because of allegations of corruptions.
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The name here was Donald Trump and Donald Trump Jr.
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And it said that the president of the Ukraine asked me to resign due to pressure
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The truth is that I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe
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And by the way, importantly, Rudy Giuliani isn't just using hearsay third-hand from some CIA hack
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who got his pals in the intelligence community to change the rules so he could put a rumor out there
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Rudy is starting to deal in real evidence, real facts,
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the real words of the people who were involved here,
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not just the mainstream media gossip mill and rumor mill.
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And he's asking, what if the shoe were on the other foot?
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It is not just conservatives who are raising this prospect,
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Bill Maher said he's hoping for a recession just so that Trump doesn't get re-elected.
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Bill Maher goes out, says exactly the same thing,
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that if this were not Joe Biden and Hunter Biden, but Donald Trump and Donald Trump Jr.,
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that is all the leftist media, it's all Rachel Maddow and everybody else would be talking about.
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The more I read about this, no, I don't think he was doing something terrible in Ukraine,
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but it's just so, why can't politicians tell their kids, get a job?
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I mean, this kid, this kid was paid $600,000 because his name is Biden
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by a gas company in Ukraine, this super corrupt country
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that just had a revolution to get rid of corruption.
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And if Don Jr. did it, it would be all Rachel Maddow was talking about.
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because Bill Maher still gets his snide left-wing insinuations in there.
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I don't see any reason to conclude that Don Jr. would do something like this.
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There is no comparison between Don Jr., who has made some missteps in life, sure, so have we all,
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and Hunter Biden, who got discharged from the Navy after a month for testing positive for Coke,
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squandered all his family's money on drugs and hookers,
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then went to Skid Row in L.A. and bought crack and had a gun pulled on him,
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then drunk drove to Arizona where he would have been arrested for possession of a crack pipe
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and drunk driving, except the cops declined to pursue charges
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and then grifted $600,000 a year by trading on his father's name in the Ukraine
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and got a billion and a half dollars in loans from the Chinese government,
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But Bill Maher will get his snide insinuation in and then say,
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if it were Don Jr., it's all Rachel Maddow would be talking about.
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This is why I want to talk about this shoe on the other foot, calling balls and strikes.
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If Trump does it, you've got to call him out the same way that you would call out a Democrat.
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I'm more than willing to criticize things that President Trump says
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and criticize things that President Trump does.
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I'm at the same time willing to support him politically,
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Why will some conservatives defend President Trump
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when he does things that are objectively objectionable?
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They will defend him in those cases if what he's doing is contextually defensible.
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Those are slightly complicated terms and it's a little bit of a nuanced point.
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President Trump goes out and he talks about civil war.
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I don't want other people to go out there and talk about civil war.
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I certainly don't want the President of the United States to do that.
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What he is doing when he says that is objectively objectionable.
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What Trump is doing when he suggests that we could be on the verge of a civil war is he's showing the double standard.
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He's not just talking about this double standard and the hypocrisy.
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He, by making these statements and showing us the reaction that they get,
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is actually showing the hypocrisy of the left and the media.
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And I hate it when conservatives unilaterally disarm.
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David French over at National Review, whom I like.
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I feel like I have to call him David French, whom I like.
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Because sometimes I criticize what he says, particularly his opinions on Donald Trump.
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But he's a very nice guy, so I want it to be clear that I like him personally.
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But David French, whom I like, called out President Trump for exactly this reason.
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And we would call him out if he were a Democrat.
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Quote, I know, I know, but let's do this anyway.
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If a Democratic president had accused a GOP committee chair of treason
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and approvingly quoted a threat of a second civil war from an unhinged religious leader,
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then I think we know exactly how Republicans would respond.
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The problem with David's point is we don't need to imagine this.
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We don't need to imagine that the leaders of the Democratic Party
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called for civil strife and accused Donald Trump of treason.
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is you calling the hypocrisy and us seeing the hypocrisy.
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Obviously, President Trump is not going to unilaterally disarm.
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He's not going to just go along and allow us to be bullied by the left in this way.
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You switch a couple roles, obviously, because Trump is the president now,
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For three years, the left and the mainstream media have called Trump a traitor explicitly.
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Just last week, Bill Weld, who's a liberal Republican running against Trump in the 2020 Republican primary,
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called Trump a traitor and said he should be publicly executed.
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When he did that, he was cheered on by portions of the mainstream media and the left.
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When the ones who didn't want to cheer him on stayed silent, they were complicit.
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The Democratic establishment was complicit in that.
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So Trump comes right back, throws it right back, and calls Adam Schiff a traitor to his country.
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Was he cheered on by the left and the same people who cheered on the calls that he was a traitor?
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There was outrage from the mainstream media, outrage from the left, outrage from the anti-Trump right.
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And President Trump has this unique ability to draw the hypocrisy out of his opponents
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because he's a showman and he's putting on a show.
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Because that's what impeachment is all about, what the question of the Civil War is all about.
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Rudy Giuliani, on those shows, gets to the heart of the matter.
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Joe Biden says it was the old prosecutor in Ukraine who was corrupt.
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And that Joe Biden demanded that that prosecutor be replaced by someone else
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because he really cares about Ukrainian domestic criminal justice or something like that.
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This is where the Joe Biden defense falls apart.
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He says that old prosecutor, he was the corrupt one.
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And the one that I threatened to withhold American aid to the tune of a billion dollars
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if they didn't replace him, the one that I picked, he was the good one.
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And that's why we got to withhold that aid and it was so important and he had to do it fast.
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This is unprecedented that a vice president would have the ability to approve or disapprove
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He just really cares about fighting corruption in Kiev?
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Something tells me there's something else going on.
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The Trump story, the story the conservatives are a little more inclined to believe,
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is that Joe Biden forced Ukraine to ditch that old prosecutor
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because that old prosecutor was looking a little too closely into Joe Biden and his son.
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It's not like we just have to rely on our own fantasies and our own imaginings
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We have a sworn affidavit from the old prosecutor saying exactly that.
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But Rudy Giuliani goes on and provides even more evidence.
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That was done as a matter of record in October of 2016 after the guy got tanked.
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He also dropped a case on George Soros' company called Antac.
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Antac is the company where there's documentary evidence that they were producing false information
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Nellie Orr says that there was a lot of contact between Democrats and the Ukraine.
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And, John, when the rest of this comes out and we look at China
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and the $1.5 billion that the Biden family took out of China
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We will get to the, even if you're disinclined to believe that Rudy Giuliani is telling the truth here,
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that Rudy Giuliani is the one, you don't need to just trust Rudy.
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You don't need to just trust the sworn affidavits.
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We've got Jay Carney, Obama's former press secretary, alluding to some corruption here.
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We've got even Elizabeth Warren showing that this looks crooked.
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We'll get to what this means for 2020, Hillary Clinton's role in all of this,
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and whether we're really headed for a civil war.
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Then, of course, the negative effects of transgender ideology already,
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6,000 kids have been killed because of puberty-blocking drugs.
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he's back to destroying New York City as its mayor,
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which is a legal term that precisely describes a legal concept.
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It's, we fixed some of the glitches over the weekend,
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When we go out and we speak the truth on this show,
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and we say things that maybe are not politically correct,
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I immediately knew what he was saying was a lie,
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and it has since been proven that he was a lie.
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how many times have you ever spoken to your son
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When he asked about the Biden issue in the Ukraine,
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and he referred it to the Vice President's office.
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Is there any concern about at least the appearance
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I would refer you to the Vice President's office.
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Hunter Biden and other members of the Biden family
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and where they work does not reflect an endorsement
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but I would refer you to the Vice President's office.
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and therefore the jobs that are held by private citizens
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does not reflect an endorsement by the President.
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Even Elizabeth Warren, 2020 presidential candidate,
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just accidentally admitted that this is corrupt,
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before she realized that she had admitted it was corrupt,
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to get these slick deals out of foreign governments?
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be allowed to serve on a board of a foreign company?
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I mean, I have to go back and look at the details.
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Oh, she's a real Indian giver on that answer, isn't she?
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Obviously, she wants to beat Biden for the nomination,
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Why would you not allow your Vice President's child
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And then there's a Liz Warren-shaped hole in the wall.
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Can what Rudy Giuliani is saying on television be trusted?
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that you continue to book Rudy Giuliani on your air
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is enough to get the President of the United States
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before the voters have a chance to re-elect you.
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That's why Robert Jeffress brought it up on TV.
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We're not just talking about loony, fringe lefties.