Ep. 427 - On Eating Babies (And Other Modest Proposals)
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A constituent at an AOC town hall suggests eating babies to curb climate change. While everyone is outraged at the remark, we examine what exactly is wrong with this modest proposal, and whether or not it s any worse than what we ve heard from Democratic presidential candidates. Then, Elizabeth Warren finds herself embroiled in a major sex scandal.
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A constituent at an AOC town hall suggests eating babies to curb climate change.
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While everyone is outraged at the remark, we examine what exactly is wrong with this modest
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proposal and whether or not it's any worse than what we've heard from Democratic presidential
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candidates. Then, Warren finds herself embroiled in a major sex scandal. No, I am not talking about
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Jacob Wohl's accusation that Warren bedded a 20-something Marine. I'm not talking about that.
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I am talking about Warren's latest lies about sex discrimination and how they fit in with a
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broader pattern of biographical dishonesty. Finally, we prepare for a Supreme Court case
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tomorrow that could determine the future of sex and gender identity in the United States.
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And on that point of sex and gender identity and all of the social issues, the New York Times
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finally runs openly honest fictional op-eds. At least they're honest. All that and more.
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I'm Michael Knowles and this is The Michael Knowles Show.
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I am about to give apparently a controversial opinion. So look, Media Matters, Sleeping Giants,
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any of the left-wing operatives who watch this show, for my controversial opinions, here it is,
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get ready. I don't think we should eat the babies. Okay, there I said it. And if it costs me my show,
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so be it. But I don't think we should eat the babies. You're going to see a lot of headlines now,
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but Knowles wants to destroy the climate because he won't eat the babies. Well, we're going to get
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They want to eat the babies. They want to eat the babies. This was a constituent at an AOC
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town hall. They were talking about climate change and she offered her modest proposal
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for how to really stop the impending climate crisis.
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We're not going to be here for much long because of the climate crisis. We only have a few months left.
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I love that you support the green deal, but it's not getting, you know, getting rid of fossil fuel. It's
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not going to solve the problem fast enough. A Swedish professor saying, you know, we can eat dead people,
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but that's not fast enough. So I think your next campaign slogan has to be this. We got to start
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eating babies. We don't have enough time. There's too much CO2. All of you, you're, you know,
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your pollutant, too much CO2. We have to start now, please. You are so great. I'm so happy that
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you really support a nuclear deal, but it's not enough. You know, even if we would bomb Russia,
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we still have too many people, too much pollution. So we have to get rid of the babies. That's a big
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problem. Just stopping having babies is not enough. We need to eat the babies. And this is very serious.
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Please give a response. Okay. So this is obviously a stunt. Some people are saying the woman is a
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little kooky. Some people are saying it's just a political stunt that opposes AOC. The answer is
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actually it's both of those things. This woman is a little kooky and this is a stunt and it is satire
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and it's very, very good satire. The one report that is just a complete lie from the mainstream media,
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some people are saying that this woman is conservative or they're insinuating that she's
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conservative. She's not. She's a member of a group called the LaRouche PAC. These are followers of
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Lyndon LaRouche. For those who don't remember, LaRouche is pretty out there. The LaRouche movement,
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though, is not a conservative movement. It grew out of the 1960s radical left. Some of the things that
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the LaRouche people want are they want to regulate Wall Street and they want to change our system of
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exchange rates. So they oppose free-floating exchange rates, which began in the 1970s.
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They support massive federal infrastructure spending. One big issue for them is they want
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a Eurasian land bridge. So a land bridge connecting, you know, a super-duper highway from Europe all the
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way to Siberia. They support colonization of Mars. They support a different system of tuning for classical
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music. This is an important issue for the LaRouche PAC. And they support certain defense initiatives,
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but not others. For instance, they support laser-based defense initiatives, but not anti-ballistic
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missile systems. So not easy to categorize on the right or the left. It's a little bit of a kooky
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political movement. Lyndon LaRouche himself ran for president eight times. The first time was with
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the U.S. Labor Party. The next seven times were with the Democratic Party. This was as recently as
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2004. So anybody who's telling you this is a conservative or even right-wing political group
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that she's with is not telling the truth. That said, it's very good satire. Because I think now the
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LaRouche PAC supports Trump, I'm not sure. I wouldn't be surprised if they support Trump. I think they oppose
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the global warming alarmism. So, you know, it's not easily categorized. But in so much as this is satire
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making fun of global warming alarmism, it's really, really good satire. What the left is trying to say
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is, oh, give me a break. This woman's so crazy. This isn't even close to what we think. It is. It's really
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close to what we think. The argument that the woman is making is that babies expend too much
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carbon dioxide and they use too many resources and they're hurting the public and society because
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of climate change. So we need to eat the babies. That's the whole satire. Who is the satire directed
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toward? The left. This is not just coming from fringe people. This is coming from candidates for
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president. In a recent CNN town hall talking about climate change. Bernie Sanders, the number two
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candidate in the race, according to some polls. Now he's fallen most polls down to number three.
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But you're talking about a top tier candidate. Bernie Sanders was asked explicitly if we should kill
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babies to curb climate change. His answer was immediate and emphatic. Yes.
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Human population growth has more than doubled in the past 50 years. The planet cannot sustain this
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growth. I realize this is a poisonous topic for politicians, but it's crucial to face. Empowering
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women and educating everyone on the need to curb population growth seems a reasonable campaign to
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enact. Would you be courageous enough to discuss this issue and make it a key feature of a plan to
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address climate catastrophe? Well, Martha, the answer is yes. And the answer has everything to
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do with the fact that women in the United States of America, by the way, have a right to control their
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own bodies and make reproductive decisions. And the Mexico City Agreement, which denies American aid to
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those organizations around the world that are that allow women to have abortions or even get involved
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in birth control, to me, is totally absurd. So I think especially in poor countries around the world
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where women do not necessarily want to have large numbers of babies and where they can have the
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opportunity through birth control to control the number of kids they have, something I very, very strongly
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support. How is Bernie's argument any different from the woman's argument? The woman said we should
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kill and eat babies. Bernie said we should just kill the babies. We should do both of those things
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because of climate change. What this is based on is a satire by Jonathan Swift called A Modest
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Proposal. Specifically, it's called A Modest Proposal for Preventing the Children of Poor People from
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Being a Burden to Their Parents or Country and for Making Them Beneficial to the Public. And this was
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a satire by the Irish writer Jonathan Swift, the idea being that you've got all these poor Irish babies
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and they're a burden to the public and they're taking up too many resources. So what we should do
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is feed them, feed them to rich people and we should eat the babies. Bernie, when he, now Bernie's not
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talking about eating babies, he's just talking about killing babies. But he does say specifically,
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we need to expand abortion in poor countries. He says, especially poor countries. We don't need
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to just kill the babies here in the United States to fight climate change. Especially in poor countries
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with all those bothersome poor people who are taking up too many resources. They're in the poor
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countries. Most especially, we need to kill the babies. Now, today when he's talking about poor
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countries or third world countries, he's talking about Africa and parts of Asia, which brings in this
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whole racial aspect to it. If he were writing in the 18th century, like Jonathan Swift,
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we'd be talking about the Irish babies. We need to go in there and kill these poor babies. But it gets
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even better because you could say, well, look, he's just talking about killing them. And the lady at the
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AOC event was talking about killing and eating them. And for some reason, those are completely different.
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And it's good to kill the babies, but it would be really bad to kill and eat the babies. And no one's
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talking about eating the babies. Therefore, Michael, the analogy is not a good one. Except,
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except the left is talking about eating people too. Last month, a Swedish scientist was speaking at a
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Swedish scientific summit and suggested that cannibalism is a great way to fight climate change.
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This guy was not engaging in satire. This guy was dead serious. The Stockholm School of Economics
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professor, Magnus Söderlund, what a name, said that eating human meat is a great way to help save the
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human race if society would simply, quote, awaken the idea. He's talking about eating dead people.
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So he says, people die and we've got all this good meat that we're just putting underground. What a huge
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waste of that. If we could just eat that meat, then we wouldn't have to grow so much food and raise
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cows. And then we could help save the world. When this came out, this was referred to as the
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Soylent Green New Deal, based on the Charlton Heston movie where the food is people. You remember
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Soylent Green. Soylent Green is people. Soylent Green is people. So you, you have a scientist
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suggesting that cannibalism is a good way to fight climate change. You have a Democratic presidential
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candidate suggesting that killing babies is a good way to fight climate change. And then you have a
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political satirist at this AOC event suggesting that eating babies is a good way to fight climate change.
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That's not a big stretch. And she's not only channeling very fringe voices, she's channeling
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mainstream voices. Number three, sometimes number two, depending on what poll you're looking at in
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the Democratic presidential race. So if you say this is so ridiculous, let's say that you're in the
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center or you're on the left and you say how ridiculous it is that this woman's talking about
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eating babies, ask yourself what's ridiculous about it. We're already, it's already a mainstream
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proposal to kill babies to fight climate change. You have a scientist now talking at a big summit
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about eating people. By the way, if there's no moral order, if there's no, if you don't believe
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in a transcendent moral order, you don't believe that we're made in the image of God and you don't
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believe God exists and you think we're all just kind of meat puppets and this is a material world,
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why is it wrong to eat dead people? By that logic, by the logic of materialism and atheism,
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I don't really see why it's that wrong. I mean, it's obviously wrong because there is a transcendent
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moral order, but if there weren't, why would it be wrong to eat dead people? That's what this guy,
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that's what the scientist is saying. Now take that logic to its logical conclusion. If you are willing
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to go so far into the realm of the absurd and the disgusting as to say that we should kill human
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babies to fight the weather, why is what this political satirist saying, why is that so outrageous?
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It is outrageous, but it is outrageous and wrong and crazy by the logic of the left. That's what we're
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getting into. And so when you look at the arguments they're making, those arguments are going to be
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expressed in certain candidates. And we've already looked at Bernie Sanders, one of the top tier
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candidates, he's explicitly making that argument. How are the candidates doing? We're looking not just
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at flawed arguments as we look at 2020, we're looking at very flawed candidates. So Bernie Sanders,
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the one who suggested we kill babies to fight the weather, is the biggest fundraiser in the democratic
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field right now. He is the, by far the biggest. He raised in the third quarter, $25.3 million.
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Next up was Liz Warren. She had $24.6 million. Way behind in third place is Joe Biden at $15.2 million.
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What did Trump raise? Trump raised $125 million. Now Trump way outpaced Barack Obama in his re-election
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campaign in 2011, in the third quarter. Obama raised $70 million. Trump is not quite double that,
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but getting close to double that. Now you might say, okay, all the democratic candidates, sure,
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they've raised some money and it's nowhere close to what Trump raised, but they haven't picked a nominee
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yet. Sure. But look at the total money. $25.3 million for Sanders, $24.6 million for Warren.
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Let's call that an even $50 million combined. And then Joe Biden behind with $15.2 million. So you're
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looking at $65 million. That's combined for the top candidates, the only real candidates, I think,
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at this point who have a shot at getting the nomination. That's behind Barack Obama's re-election
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campaign. And it's way behind Trump. That is almost, almost half, just a little over half of
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what, what Trump pulled in, in the third quarter. So not looking good for the arguments on the left
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or the candidates. The good news for the Democrats is that Bernie Sanders' health is okay right now.
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It looks like he's okay. Bad news is he had a heart attack last week. He didn't announce that he
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had a heart attack. His campaign didn't announce that he had a heart attack. The New York Times got the
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information from his doctors and his campaign later confirmed it. This is clearly a vulnerability
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for the campaign. If it were not a vulnerability, the Sanders campaign would have come right out
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and said it. But they didn't. You don't want a presidential candidate who's having heart attacks
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on the campaign trail. I'm very glad that Bernie Sanders is okay. This is bad news for his campaign.
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You know, Dick Cheney had heart attacks. He even had heart attacks after he was elected to be the
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vice president, but he never had heart attacks just before an election. And he was the vice president.
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He wasn't the president of the United States. People are very wary of this. John McCain had
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excellent health. When he ran for president in 2008, he lived for what, another 10 years after that?
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And people said, I don't know, he's a little old and we don't like this Sarah Palin lady,
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so I can't vote for McCain. Bernie Sanders is 78 years old right now. He'll be 79 on election day,
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2020. He'll be 83 on election day, 2024. That is a big vulnerability. So I think the public sees
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Bernie Sanders is too old. Same issue for Joe Biden. Joe Biden is floundering. His poll numbers
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have collapsed. He once had a 25 point lead over Bernie Sanders. He once had a 33 point lead over
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Elizabeth Warren. Now he's tied with Warren. He's all the way down tied with Warren according to the
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RealClearPolitics average. So this is looking at all the polls. Joe Biden has 26.3 percent to Liz
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Warren's 26 percent. That is a statistical tie. MSN is now reporting that major Joe Biden donors
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met in Philly this past weekend to discuss the future of the campaign. This is being reported
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in left-wing outlets. According to an economist YouGov poll, Liz Warren is now not just tied with
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Biden. She's now up four points on Joe Biden, 26 to 24 to 14, Bernie Sanders way in the back.
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No wonder Joe Biden's funders are worried. I would, I would be worried too because his campaign
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right now is at very serious risk of looking like the Jeb campaign in 2016. Jeb, Biden, exclamation
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point. And Joe Biden is the most normal of these candidates. And Joe Biden is supporting radical
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proposals, taxpayer funding for abortion, that sort of stuff. So then you've got Bernie Sanders. He's too
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old and he thinks we should kill babies to appease the weather gods. You've got, and, and Bernie Sanders
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had a heart attack on the campaign. Doesn't bode well for, for his 2020 chances. You got Joe Biden
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collapsing. His poll numbers gone. Liz Warren leading or tied in polls and in the Rookler politics
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average. So it's gotta be Warren, right? Not so fast. Liz Warren's facing another scandal, major scandal
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rocking her world. Not the Jacob Wohl sex scandal to catch you up. If you miss that one, Jacob Wohl,
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who is a, a right-wing troll came out and is suggesting that Liz Warren paid a young Marine
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in his twenties for sex. I got to tell you, I don't buy it. I just don't. If Liz Warren has never had a
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beer, if she's awkward drinking a beer on camera and she's kind of hugging her husband in a weird way,
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I just, I, of all the scandals you're going to throw on Liz Warren, I don't think sex with a
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young Marine is the one that's going to stick. The sex scandal that she's facing is lying about
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sex discrimination. She's now facing a major lie about her biography. So last Wednesday during a
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town hall in Nevada, Liz Warren said that she once lost a job because she was pregnant. She said,
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quote, by the end of the first year, I was visibly pregnant and the principal did what principals did in
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those days. Wish me luck and hire someone else for the job. He discriminated against me on sex and he
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fired me because I was pregnant. That's what she's saying. However, video surfaced from a 2008 program
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called Conversations with History, which might be a prophetic title if this video ends Liz Warren's
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presidential campaign, because she will have been history. In that video, she said she wasn't fired
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because she was pregnant. She said she was fired because she was unqualified for the job and she
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decided to do something else and she was pregnant and she decided to raise her kids. Here is Liz Warren
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in 2008. My first year post-graduation, I worked, it was in a public school system, but I worked with
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the children with disabilities. And I did that for a year. And then that summer, I actually didn't have
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the education courses. So I was on an emergency certificate, it was called. And I went back
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to graduate school and took a couple of courses in education and said, I don't think this is going
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to work out for me. And I was pregnant with my first baby. So I had a baby and stayed home for a couple
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of years. Okay, so that's it. She didn't have the courses. And then she went to try to get the
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qualification and she thought, this isn't going to really work out for me. And then she had a baby
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and she stayed home for a few years. That makes perfect sense. That's very different than the story
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she's telling now. This is a problem for her because she already famously lied about her resume.
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She lied about being a Native American Indian. She, the whitest woman who's ever walked the face of the
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earth. She lied in a very bad way for her as a leftist and as a Democrat because racial identity
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politics really matters to the left. And so she lied about that. Bad idea. She lied certainly as
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early as when she was teaching at UPenn. And then did that help her get the job at Harvard? I don't
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know. A lot of people seem to think it did. Harvard certainly touted her Native American ancestry,
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which was not true. And then it turned out it was obviously a lie. This dogged her for a little
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while. And you know this bothered her by the way, because she spent a long time trying to defend it.
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She took this DNA test and got her personal prov to the Boston Globe to run about how
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she was one 1,000th Native American. And this somehow vindicated her decades and decades of
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lying. That backfired on her big time. So she tried to fight it. Now she just apologized. Okay.
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She was just getting over this. Now this new scandal comes out. If this new lie hadn't come out,
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would the Pocahontas thing have stopped her from being president? I actually don't think so.
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So it's a good hit. It's a very funny hit. Dogged her for a long time. I don't know that that's
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enough. It's been around for a while. She made an egregious mistake. She admitted it. And Americans
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are forgiving people. Now it happened again. And look, we believe in second chances. But do we
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believe in third chances or fourth chances as Americans? I don't know about that. Because now
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it's not just a mistake. Now it's not just a lie. Now we've got a pattern. And it's the same kind
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of lie. You have a privileged woman consistently lying to make herself look like a victim.
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You've got her first pretending to be a victim of race discrimination. Then you've got her
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pretending to be a victim of sex discrimination. This is not going away. And I think, I don't,
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I haven't seen any actual conservative who's taken her so-called sex scandal seriously that
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she paid off a Marine to have sex with him. We should take this one seriously. This is a good
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hit. This is a really good hit. She's just consistently lying about her racial privilege
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and her sexual privilege. I'm using the left's terms because she's going to have to answer to
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the left for those. And we should hammer her for it. Speaking of sex discrimination, by the way,
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huge story. I'll just give you a little preview of this. One of the biggest Supreme Court cases
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possibly ever is coming up tomorrow and nobody is talking about it. The case is Harris Funeral Homes
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versus Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. What this case is about is whether sex means sex,
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you know, male and female, man and woman, or whether sex means gender identity. So not your objective
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sex, but your subjective feelings about your sex. What's the case? The case is about this funeral home.
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Owned by a guy named Thomas Rost. For six years at this funeral home, they had an employee named
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Anthony Stevens. At the funeral home, obviously it's a very touchy, sensitive industry. And so
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when the people are dealing with grieving families, there's a dress code. Anthony Stevens, this employee
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at the funeral home, agreed to the dress code. He signed a contract saying, I will abide by the dress
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code. Six years he abided by that dress code until one day Anthony came in and he decided that he was Amy.
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And so he insisted on wearing a dress. He insisted on wearing a skirt suit. So he's not wearing pants
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anymore. He's wearing a skirt suit. And what Thomas Ross said is, look, we like you a lot,
00:25:08.260
Anthony or Amy or whatever you're going by now, but you can't violate this dress code. You've got
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grieving families here and they don't need your show and your political statement and your issues
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to affect them. This is about them. It's not about you. You agreed to wear the dress code.
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You got to do the dress code. So Anthony, now Amy leaves and sues. And so what happened is the
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Obama administration through the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission sided with Anthony Stevens,
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now Amy Stevens. Now it's the Trump administration. Trump's DOJ supports the funeral home.
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This all comes down to the Civil Rights Act. The Civil Rights Act bans discrimination on the basis
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of sex. But Anthony Stevens is not being discriminated against on the basis of sex.
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He's being discriminated against on the basis of his imagination. I mean, that's the only argument
00:26:05.020
he's got for discrimination is that I imagine myself to be a woman, even though I'm not a woman,
00:26:09.240
and therefore I'm being discriminated against. And therefore you need to sue me and you need to let me
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wear whatever I want to wear in front of grieving families, even though I signed a contract saying
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I wouldn't. Now the Civil Rights Act has, this has actually already been interpreted. The Civil Rights
00:26:25.220
Act bans sex discrimination, but it does not require either asexuality or androgyny. So sexual
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difference is still respected. Everybody in this case still respects that men, there can be different
00:26:36.500
dress codes for men and women at the office. The case, the court ruled on this in 1998. So the Obama
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administration threw this all into chaos by saying that the word sex maybe doesn't mean sex.
00:26:47.200
You can't have both sex and gender identity protection. The way to really look at this is
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maybe not even in the employment case, but in sports. Title IX sets up, says that you won't
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discriminate in sports on the basis of sex. So you get women sports leagues. Women get to have their
00:27:06.380
own sports leagues. They get to engage in sports. If you now change sex to mean gender identity,
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it's not just that everybody benefits and rights were expanded to more people.
00:27:19.040
You actually completely undermine the definition of sex. It's not just that more people get to play
00:27:25.200
sports. It's that women don't get to play sports. You can't have them both. Sex is either objective
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reality or it's subjective preference and fantasy and imagination. You can't have both at the same
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time. Ryan Anderson has a great op-ed on this in the New York Post today. You should go check it out. I'm
00:27:42.460
going to be filling in for Ben's radio show later on and we're going to be talking to the lawyer who's
00:27:45.980
going to be arguing this case before the Supreme Court tomorrow. This is a case to watch. A lot depends
00:27:51.340
on this case. It's about a lot more than pronouns. It's about a lot more than just making people feel
00:27:56.320
good about themselves. This is about who gets to define reality itself. This is about whether women
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have legal protections like in sports leagues or in bathrooms or in their own schools or anything
00:28:05.420
like that. So much depends upon the pronouns. So much depends upon whether a man at a funeral home
00:28:12.160
is allowed to wear a dress or not. So stay tuned for that. We'll obviously be covering it as it comes
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out. We've got a lot more to get to. We've got to get to Kanye West's Sunday services and Kanye West
00:28:21.420
defending the Republican Party and Kanye West coming out with a new album called Jesus is King.
00:28:26.320
We have got to get to the Joker. I'm going to try to get my thoughts on the Joker if we have time.
00:28:30.320
And then we have from the New York Times the dumbest article on the internet today. I love
00:28:37.200
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00:28:41.740
today? It kind of takes me a minute. No, not today because the New York Times is publishing an op-ed
00:28:46.680
not about present political issues, but it is what they call an op-ed from the future.
00:28:54.100
However, the New York Times is now employing fiction writers to write actual fiction on the
00:29:00.500
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Okay. Pastor West is out with his new Sunday service and his new Christian album. I'm talking
00:30:19.960
about Kanye, Priest Kanye, Father Kanye. How many more titles can he get? He always gives himself
00:30:27.300
all these titles, so I guess I can give them to him too. Kanye West has been moving toward the right
00:30:32.280
in recent years, politically and even religiously. He's not talking about atheism and materialism and
00:30:39.620
secularism and all those religions that are affiliated with the left wing. He's talking
00:30:44.360
explicitly about traditional religion, specifically about Christianity. And this has been happening for
00:30:51.920
a while. Now it's culminating in what he's doing are Sunday services and Christians and conservatives
00:30:55.860
are really split on this. Some conservatives say we don't want Kanye's support. Some Christians say
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we hate what Kanye is doing. We don't want him to talk about Jesus. How dare you do it?
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There were good arguments on both sides, but I support yay. I support Kanye. I never thought
00:31:11.240
I would say those words because I'm not a huge fan of his music. I support what he's doing here. So he
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was doing a Sunday service to promote his new album, Jesus is King. And he did one in Salt Lake City
00:31:20.800
where he extolled the virtues of the Republican Party for freeing slaves. And he condemned mental
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slavery and the mental slavery of voting for a political party on the basis of your skin color.
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Abraham Lincoln is the weak party. That's the Republican Party that freed the slaves.
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That's the Republican Party that freed the slaves.
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There are a lot of reasons to be skeptical here.
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One is for the Christians who don't like that he's doing the Sunday service.
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I would much rather we all do the like 1962 traditional Latin mass all the time.
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But that's not exactly the option that we're being presented with in the culture.
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Look, Kanye West has exhibited a lot of narcissism in his career.
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And also when politics becomes the center of what celebrities are talking about, it's very annoying.
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I mean, he comes out there and he says, he's got Jesus Walks playing in the background, which is one of only two Kanye West songs that I like.
00:33:09.620
And he did one with Paul McCartney called Only One, which I kind of like to.
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I'm almost certain Paul McCartney wrote that song, so maybe that's why I like it.
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But he's got that song playing, which is pretty good.
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And he says, look, the Republican Party freed the slaves.
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And his point isn't that we all need to vote for Republicans.
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His point is, he says, you're going to call me a racial slur for saying that I like Donald Trump.
00:33:32.500
I have my right to an opinion, and you don't get to tell me that.
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He came out a while ago and put the MAGA hat on and hugged Trump and said, I love Trump.
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And he stood tall and he says, look, I'm not going to be a mental slave.
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And I even sort of like the idea of the Sunday service.
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You know, I, yesterday I was in Phoenix and I went to a fabulous Latin mass in Phoenix.
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And then afterward we went to have brunch with a friend of ours.
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And I, what it means is I went to church for Christians and then I went to church for modern liberals.
00:34:21.780
They, even friends of mine have put it that way.
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I go out and I have a mimosa and, you know, my sacraments are a mimosa and an egg sandwich.
00:34:34.640
And most of my friends probably are liberal atheists or liberal materialists or liberal religious but not, or spiritual but not religious.
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You've got to be thing, all things to all people.
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And that's a little bit what Kanye's doing here, I think.
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He's talked a little bit that way in the past, but that doesn't seem to be the way he's talking now.
00:35:05.580
And Kanye's not always talking about his political views.
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He's just saying that he has the right to have political views.
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And the other thing is, this is my big defense of Kanye, generally.
00:35:22.440
So the way I would often put it is that Kanye West is really good at listening to good music.
00:35:44.280
And then he does Jesus Walks and raps over it and makes it not as good a sounding song.
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He can hear things in the culture that most people can't hear.
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That's why he's been on top for a very long time.
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And I think he's hearing that people want meaning.
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I think that's why he's doing these Sunday services,
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which is not the traditional Latin mass that I go to on the weekends.
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And instead of putting that meaning into a global warming rally, which we saw a week ago,
00:36:20.840
he's putting that meaning into an explicitly religious rally, an explicitly Christian rally.
00:36:34.100
And if they can, as they're looking for meaning, and everybody's got to serve somebody,
00:36:39.320
so they're going to find the meaning in global warming or they're going to find the meaning in Christianity.
00:36:44.760
And if he's leading people in that direction, I think that's a great thing.
00:36:48.000
If he can bring people around to Christ, I think that's a great thing.
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And if they can start at Sunday service and end up at church, I think that's a great thing.
00:36:58.280
And then the question is, where are they going to go after brunch?
00:36:59.980
Are they going to go to a political rally for leftism or are they going to go to a Sunday service?
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And then once they go to the Sunday service and they get a little taste,
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I don't think they're going to be satisfied there.
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I think, I hope, they're going to want to start going to church.
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And they're going to want to start reading the Bible.
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And they're going to want to start experiencing the sacraments.
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And they're going to want a transcendent religious experience.
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You know, the lyrics of Jesus Walks are pretty good.
00:37:28.200
In Jesus Walks, I fear that I'm going to spawn a thousand memes by reading this.
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It's actually pretty complex lyrics because what he says is speaking colloquially.
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I don't think there's nothing I can do now to right my wrongs.
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Meaning, I don't think there's anything that I can do to right my wrongs.
00:38:13.840
But, what he's explicitly, what he's literally saying is the Christian message.
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Which is, I don't think there is nothing I can do now to right my wrongs.
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You can have your wrongs righted by accepting grace.
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I want to talk to God, but I'm afraid because I haven't talked to him in so long.
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This is true of the guy who goes to mass every day.
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This is true of the guy who's always in the confessional line.
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And, you know, for those who are unaware with our smells and bells Catholic rituals, we have a sacrament called confession where you go and you confess your sins to a priest and then the priest conveys the absolution of your sins.
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And, when I'm standing in that line, I could go every week.
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You still feel this, gosh, I have to confess that.
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If Kanye is bringing people around, I think it's great.
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And if Kanye is showing people you don't need to only have one political point of view, I think that's great.
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And the enthusiasm with which he does it and the sort of almost innocence with which he does it, I think is absolutely terrific.
00:39:33.060
If he lacks in some of the virtues, you can't say that he's not courageous.
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And courage is a virtue and courage is the prerequisite for all the other virtues.
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Before we go, I'm not going to give a long review of Joker because I don't want to give spoilers.
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I don't think it's the greatest movie ever made.
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The fact that critics are giving it 69% on Rotten Tomatoes and the people are giving it 90% tells you a lot.
00:40:23.960
So, I'm not just reading politics into a movie where there are none.
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Now, one problem here is that the villain is sort of the protagonist.
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The Joker is a villain, but he's the protagonist of the film, kind of.
00:40:44.640
If you look at this film with moral clarity, it's very anti-leftist.
00:40:50.620
I mean, the people who are the clowns who support the Joker are holding up resist signs.
00:40:56.140
The guy who's running for office is a billionaire.
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You know, the same people who say we need to destigmatize mental health.
00:41:08.940
And the minute you do it, they bite your head off.
00:41:12.420
And it also gives us a good eye into free will.
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It doesn't just say, oh, no, these poor people are destined to misery their whole lives if you have mental health issues.
00:41:22.700
Or if you're poor or if you're born in a tough family circumstance, you're just destined to have a tough life.
00:41:28.740
It permits free will in a pretty sophisticated way, in a pretty complex way.
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I think it's a perfect movie for right now, for this moment.
00:41:37.480
Because one of the songs that keeps coming up in the previews, and it's in the movie too, is Send in the Clowns.
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This is a Stephen Sondheim song that is so misunderstood.
00:41:46.560
It's the send in the clowns, where are the clowns?
00:41:54.840
Send in the clowns is people are wondering what this song means.
00:42:00.260
And Sondheim did an interview, he said, it's not an esoteric song.
00:42:06.160
Clown is a word for fool, and it's the song sung in a musical between two people who have variously loved each other, but they've always screwed it up.
00:42:13.580
And the joke is, send in the clowns, let's bring a little laughter into this difficult moment.
00:42:18.120
And, oh, wait, we don't need to send in the clowns, we're the clowns, we're the fools, we're the clowns.
00:42:22.580
The fact that that song is being used to market the movie tells you a lot about this moment.
00:42:28.000
We are the clowns, all of us, we are the ones, we are the fools, we are behaving foolishly.
00:42:33.060
And the vision, the bleak, nihilistic vision that's presented in the movie is a vision embraced by a lot of people, but it's a crazy vision.
00:42:41.580
It's a dark one, it's one we're living in right now.
00:42:48.400
And there's one view of comedy, which is that it's farce, it's absurd, it's all about nothing, it's all just a big joke.
00:42:56.060
And then there's another version of comedy, which is like the Divine Comedy.
00:42:59.180
In the opera Pagliacci, Pagliacci says, la comedia, you hear la comedia finita, the comedy is finished.
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And Pope Benedict XV apparently said this on his deathbed, he said the comedy is finished.
00:43:10.880
It's not him saying my life was a big joke, a big farce.
00:43:13.260
It's him saying life is a comedy, it has a happy ending.
00:43:17.020
And Joker explores that question, it allows you to see it, I recommend it.
00:43:21.340
Maybe next week we'll be able to talk about more thoughts on this, because I don't want any spoilers, but go see it.
00:43:26.100
Go see it right now, so that I can go give you my thoughts on it.
00:43:28.520
Before we go, I need to talk about the stupidest article on the internet today.
00:43:33.060
It's called, It's 2024, We Need to Keep Abortion Legal in New York.
00:43:37.400
Thanks to a landmark ruling that overturned Roe versus Wade, abortion is now illegal everywhere,
00:43:41.960
except New York and Hawaii, but a new bill threatens the legal status of abortions.
00:43:47.160
So, you'll notice right away, it's not 2024, the editor has a note.
00:43:50.960
This is part of the op-eds from the Future series in which science fiction authors, futurists, philosophers, and scientists
00:43:55.580
write op-eds that they imagine we might read 10, 50, or even 200 years from now.
00:44:00.420
So the Times is admitting that they are now a work of fiction.
00:44:03.620
We already knew that, but now they're admitting it.
00:44:06.080
Because they can't, they can't complain about what's happening.
00:44:08.680
I mean, right now, the Trump presidency is pretty good, so it always has to be hypotheticals,
00:44:17.760
The New York legislature is convening this week to begin debate on S-9764.
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I would like to offer my thoughts as a gynecologist who still provides that rarest of services, abortion.
00:44:27.720
Our legal status is under threat as our lives have been for decades.
00:44:31.140
More important, the legislators for this passage of this bill are dishonest in their motives
00:44:35.400
and willfully blind to the consequences of its probable passage.
00:44:37.800
So what they don't understand is Roe versus Wade.
00:44:43.920
Ever since a case in 2022 overturned Roe versus Wade, 14 states have outlawed abortion.
00:44:51.160
And then seven states began prosecuting women for abortion.
00:44:55.340
And now it's illegal everywhere except pretty much New York.
00:44:58.600
If abortion is popular, if people want abortion, then it will be legal in a lot of places.
00:45:03.580
Roe versus Wade being overturned won't outlaw abortion.
00:45:06.080
It will just allow states to make their own decisions as they should because there's no such thing as a constitutional right to abortion.
00:45:13.680
They say most so-called abortion states have adopted legislation restricting access to publicly funded abortions.
00:45:21.860
Legally, we don't currently have publicly funded abortions.
00:45:24.520
So obviously this New York Times writer doesn't understand the law, but we do have publicly funded abortions because money is fungible and we give taxpayer money to Planned Parenthood and we say it's only for non-abortion services.
00:45:41.660
But if they get the money, they're going to use it for whatever they do and what they do is abortion.
00:45:54.060
They say these laws disproportionately affect black women.
00:46:01.100
You mean because it allows more black babies to be born?
00:46:03.800
Black women are much more likely to have abortions.
00:46:09.320
I mean, you just heard Bernie Sanders say, we need to go into poor countries, by which he means African countries, and make sure we kill more babies.
00:46:18.040
In the United States, more black babies, in New York, more black babies are aborted than are born.
00:46:23.600
It just goes on in this sort of nonsensical way and exposes the left's opinion of abortion.
00:46:45.540
The Gorsuch stuff came, or I'm sorry, the Kavanaugh stuff came down to abortion.
00:46:49.140
So much of their political activism comes down to the right to kill babies.
00:46:57.600
That's what they're writing in the New York Times.
00:47:00.660
It's illogical, and you can see the illogic of it in the op-ed.
00:47:03.840
But it brings us right back to our first story, which is that girl at the AOC town hall screaming about how we need to eat babies.
00:47:23.020
And we're seeing that truth, which is fiction, on the cover of the New York Times, the leftist paper par excellence.
00:47:30.960
The truth, it seems, is stranger than fiction, and we're getting a lot of truth out of that fiction from the left, and the truth is pretty appalling.
00:47:40.060
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