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00:00:00.000 New polling from the New York Times, of all places, suggests the Democrats have been living

00:00:05.140 in a progressive fantasy world if they believe that they are likely to defeat President Trump

00:00:10.320 in 2020, which makes sense if Democrats believe other fantasies like the narrative that Jeffrey

00:00:15.560 Epstein killed himself. We will examine how the left can be so gullible when nobody believes the

00:00:20.840 press. Then an ex-evangelical pastor who left his church, family, and faith is lecturing evangelicals

00:00:27.300 on how they're ruining Christianity. Finally, the mayor of Tent City, Los Angeles, claims with a

00:00:32.660 straight face that LA is the model city for dealing with homelessness. All that and more. I'm Michael

00:00:38.560 Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show. LA is the model city for dealing with homelessness,

00:00:50.240 just like Krispy Kreme is the model company for dealing with obesity. We'll get to that. Unbelievable

00:00:55.660 that they can say this. That's the whole theme. People say with a straight face, narratives and

00:01:00.720 storylines that nobody actually believes. Beginning with probably the biggest storyline,

00:01:07.580 the most ridiculous narrative, the craziest, wildest conspiracy theory of the last several years,

00:01:13.640 the idea that Jeffrey Epstein was just like randomly permitted to kill himself. Nobody actually believes

00:01:17.980 that, right? There is a former Navy SEAL who went on Jesse Waters' show on Fox News, and he was talking

00:01:23.980 about military dogs because of the story of Conan, that dog who chased down Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

00:01:30.480 So it's a completely nice, normal segment about military dogs. And then at the end, he just sneaks in a

00:01:36.860 little bit of a fact and a little bit of a meme, which is that Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself.

00:01:44.000 Well, thank you for training Nero, who's to your left there, and I'm sure he's ready to go out on the

00:01:49.400 next mission, and he can't wait. So thank you and thank Nero for your service. I appreciate it.

00:01:55.900 Absolutely. If I could, could I throw a PSA out real quick? Real quick.

00:02:00.400 Just the remarkable nature of these dogs and them being highlighted in the news creates a huge demand

00:02:07.200 by people that frankly shouldn't have them. If you see the coverage and you decide, I want one of these

00:02:13.040 dogs either buy a finished, trained, you know, fully trained and finished dog from a professional

00:02:19.100 or just, just don't get one at all. That and Epstein didn't kill himself.

00:02:24.220 All right. Okay. Thank you for that commentary. All right.

00:02:28.420 Just the greatest Fox News guest in all of history. I say this with no false modesty. I've,

00:02:35.740 I've been a guest on Fox News a hundred times and probably closer to 200 times.

00:02:40.260 This man is the greatest Fox News guest ever. I bow down to you, sir. Really, really well done.

00:02:46.780 Totally straight face. And then he slips in this line. Also, Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself.

00:02:51.920 What he's saying is not just something that we all believe to be true. He's saying an internet meme.

00:02:59.940 This has become a meme to just give a narrative, state a number of random facts, maybe historical facts.

00:03:06.680 And then at the end, as a non sequitur say, also Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself or even you

00:03:13.000 try to fit it in so you can tie it in. So for instance, yesterday I tweeted out, I said on this

00:03:17.620 day, 608 years ago, Khalil Sultan, the Timurid ruler of Transoxiana died at the age of 27. Shortly

00:03:25.100 thereafter, his wife committed suicide, which distinguishes her from Jeffrey Epstein who did

00:03:29.460 not kill herself. This has been going around the internet for several days now. And it's not just

00:03:34.140 that it's very funny. It's that these memes do tell us something about the culture and

00:03:39.500 the media. So another one that was going around, oh, I also tweeted out, I said, L is for the

00:03:45.100 way you look at me. O is for the only one I see. V is very, very extraordinary. E is for

00:03:49.880 the fact that Epstein didn't kill himself. Another one was a, just a block of text. It said, if

00:03:56.000 I have to see one more Jeffrey Epstein meme, I'm literally going to kill myself. Unlike Epstein,

00:04:01.380 who was obviously murdered. Another one, a fun fact, the topaz hummingbird is the smallest

00:04:08.600 bird in the world. Even though it has the smallest bird brain in existence, it knows that Jeffrey

00:04:14.480 Epstein didn't kill himself. And then this one might be my favorite. The babirusa is a

00:04:21.100 wild pig whose tusks can grow so long they curve backwards, ultimately impaling their skulls

00:04:27.700 and accidentally killing them. Unlike Jeffrey Epstein, who was killed on purpose.

00:04:33.680 Why are the memes so popular? Why did this guy go on Fox News and put that in at the end of his

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00:06:23.380 Why are the Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself memes so popular? Two reasons. One, we can't trust the

00:06:30.980 mainstream media. Two, we can't trust the mainstream media. Those are the two reasons. They're

00:06:37.420 actually different. What do I mean? The media tell us that it was a suicide. We know that the

00:06:44.740 media are in bed with politicians. We know that the media are in bed with some of Jeffrey Epstein's

00:06:49.020 clients and staff members. We know that corporate interests play a role in the media as well.

00:06:55.020 We know that the mainstream media have abdicated their duty as journalists and so we can't rely

00:07:00.420 on them to tell the truth. Actually, James O'Keefe just showed this today in a breaking story about

00:07:05.720 Jeffrey Epstein. We'll get to that in one second. The first reason is we can't trust the

00:07:11.540 mainstream media to give us the straight news. The other reason that the memes are popular is

00:07:17.120 that we can't trust the mainstream media and therefore we need to turn to memes because

00:07:22.640 memes beat the mainstream media. Memes beat the mainstream media because they're a way to spread

00:07:28.540 information outside the traditional bounds of the traditional press. This was hugely effective

00:07:34.620 in 2016. President Trump was the meme king. He didn't start this. He just, because he's a product

00:07:41.460 of the popular culture, because he's extraordinarily good at manipulating the media, he became part of

00:07:47.020 this organic grassroots media campaign that used internet memes. Elizabeth Warren right now is trying

00:07:53.400 to capture this same thing and it's not working. She's got her own meme team. It's not going to work.

00:07:59.220 Never going to work. She's not built for memes. Why not? Because the mainstream media love

00:08:04.160 Elizabeth Warren. The whole thing about memes is they've got to be countercultural. The whole

00:08:09.620 thing about counterculture is it's got to constantly use changing lingo. It's got to be subversive. It has

00:08:16.160 to be unapproved. It can't be the main storyline being pushed by the media. Liz Warren has cheerleaders

00:08:23.200 everywhere from the major news outlets all the way to Saturday Night Live. So the memes are never going to

00:08:28.520 catch on for her, but they will for Donald Trump. This was a major joke in 2016 is you had this

00:08:33.840 comparison and an image of CNN or, you know, the kind of corporate media. And it said, who do you

00:08:40.580 think would win in a fight? The establishment press, deep state, federal bureaucracy, international

00:08:48.320 corporate interests. Then it had a photo of Alex Jones, it said, or a shirtless vitamin salesman

00:08:54.800 screaming on the radio. And it turns out Alex Jones, because Trump won and Jones was considered

00:09:00.620 one of the deplorable people who was backing Donald Trump. And that's hilarious. And that actually

00:09:06.180 became a meme in and of itself. The memes are not just for entertainment. The memes are actually an

00:09:11.780 effective way to spread information and to subvert a mainstream media that is totally corrupt.

00:09:18.460 I did a speech for YAF at USC. This is probably a month or so ago called the mainstream media or fake

00:09:25.120 news. I just outlined very briefly some of the connections between the press and the democratic

00:09:33.000 party and the mainstream left and the deep state and the bureaucracy and the government.

00:09:38.440 The speech was like 40 minutes long and I didn't even come close to describing all of the connections.

00:09:43.840 It is totally corrupted from within. Now, James O'Keefe, investigative independent journalist,

00:09:50.920 actually has some new recordings on the Epstein affair. He got a hot mic from ABC news anchor,

00:09:57.800 Amy Robach, who was describing how for three years, she tried to report on the Epstein story.

00:10:05.180 She had information on it and her bosses at ABC news killed the story.

00:10:09.440 I've had the story for three years. I've had this interview with Virginia Roberts.

00:10:12.420 We would not put it on the air. First of all, I was told, who's Jeffrey Epstein? No one knows who

00:10:17.220 that is. This is a stupid story. Then the palace found out that we had her whole allegations about

00:10:23.920 Prince Andrew and threatened us a million different ways. We were so afraid we wouldn't be able to

00:10:29.980 interview Kate and Will that we, that also quashed the story. And then, and then Alan Dershowitz was

00:10:38.280 also implicated in because of the planes. She told me everything. She had pictures. She had

00:10:43.080 everything. She was in hiding for 12 years. We convinced her to come out. We convinced her to

00:10:46.940 talk to us. Um, it was unbelievable what we had Clinton. We had everything.

00:10:51.880 I, I tried for three years to get it on to no avail. And now it's all coming out and it's like these new

00:10:59.380 revelations. And I freaking had all of it. I, I, I'm so pissed right now. Like every day I get more

00:11:06.240 and more pissed. Cause I'm just like, Oh my God, we, it was, um, what, what we had was unreal. Other

00:11:12.560 women backing it up. Hey, yep. Brad Edwards, the attorney three years ago saying like, aunt, like

00:11:19.800 we, there will come a day, but we will realize Jeffrey Epstein was the most prolific pedophile

00:11:24.200 this country has ever known. I had it all three years ago. She had it all three years ago and her

00:11:30.060 bosses wouldn't let her run it. So this is a hot mic. She's obviously complaining to, I don't know,

00:11:34.600 her producer or somebody on the set about how the Epstein story broke and she could have broke it

00:11:39.380 three years ago. And her job is to break stories. So it would have been very helpful to her

00:11:42.740 professionally. And the story got killed. Did the story get killed because, Oh, nobody knows who

00:11:47.480 Jeffrey Epstein is. No, of course not. The point of the news is to break the news is to do investigations

00:11:53.200 and dig up stories that people haven't heard about and then convey those stories. But that's not what

00:11:59.260 they did. Said, Oh, it doesn't matter. It's not a big deal. Did they shut it down for that reason?

00:12:04.740 Or did they shut it down? Because very, very powerful people perhaps in ABC news insisted

00:12:11.460 that they shut it down because it wouldn't look good for them. Certainly the latter. And so now you

00:12:17.100 have this meme, Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself. And the reaction of the mainstream media, the reaction

00:12:22.240 of people in the establishment is to say, Oh, don't say that's ridiculous. Don't traffic in that sort of

00:12:28.480 nonsense. That's a conspiracy theory. Maybe, but what ABC news and the rest of the mainstream media

00:12:37.480 did by covering up the story for three years is an actual conspiracy. So forgive us for trafficking in

00:12:45.200 a conspiracy theory. When we have hard evidence that you guys actually engaged in a conspiracy.

00:12:52.160 I said this when the Epstein story broke, I said, I don't know how Jeffrey Epstein died. He very well

00:12:57.420 might've killed himself. What I do know though, is that the least plausible explanation for how

00:13:04.040 Jeffrey Epstein died is that he just accidentally was permitted to kill himself because he, he shouldn't

00:13:10.180 have been able to do it anyway. He tried to kill himself apparently six days earlier. He was then

00:13:16.160 taken off of suicide watch or he was taken off. He tried to kill himself a couple of weeks earlier.

00:13:21.500 He was taken off of suicide watch six days later. Then at the time that he allegedly killed himself,

00:13:27.020 both of the guards who were supposed to check on him just fell asleep coincidentally at exactly the

00:13:32.000 same time. And then not one, but two cameras outside of his cell just, just didn't work.

00:13:36.780 They just malfunctioned at exactly the same time. And then he, it was revealed in the autopsy had a

00:13:43.540 couple of bones, few bones broken in his neck that only appear in about 1% of hangings and certainly

00:13:49.860 not from a height at which he would have had to hang himself with his bed. And it was much more in

00:13:56.480 line with strangulation. But Hey, listen, don't ask any of those questions. Don't ever traffic in

00:14:02.440 that kind of crazy conspiracy theory. Just ignore the actual conspiracy of the mainstream media.

00:14:07.160 This is why the memes work. And I've got a big warning here for the left.

00:14:12.720 If the left wing does not shape up, if the left does not stop spreading lies, if the left does not

00:14:20.860 stop covering up stories on the mainstream media through its outlets, through its establishment

00:14:25.940 candidates, it's going to lose again. It's going to lose again in 2020 without question, because

00:14:32.760 the more corrupt the mainstream media becomes, the more empowered everybody else feels

00:14:38.140 to spread their own information and to believe their own information.

00:14:42.420 And there is a lot of fake information on the internet. There's that famous picture of Abraham

00:14:47.800 Lincoln. And the quote says, don't believe everything you read on the internet. Abraham

00:14:51.280 Lincoln, 1860. There's a lot of false information on the internet in a, in an honest culture, in

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00:15:14.800 bosses kept killing stories on Obama's corruption. Where the New York times, the Washington post

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00:17:42.920 So now James O'Keefe actually has new recordings on the Epstein affair. We actually see the mainstream

00:17:52.220 media lying and admitting they're lying and just going, exposing the conspiracy of the conspiracy

00:18:01.120 of the conspiracy theory. What does this mean for President Trump? It's good news. The more the

00:18:07.020 media look foolish, the less people are going to believe what the media tell us. The media told us

00:18:11.160 in 2016 that there was 120,000% chance that Hillary would win, 0% chance that Trump would win. There's

00:18:17.580 no reason even to go to the polls. We heard that the day before the election, I kid you not,

00:18:22.140 99% chance Hillary wins, 97% chance that Hillary wins. All the scientists who allegedly say that

00:18:28.200 global warming is going to kill us all, I guess they all went and they were the only people polled

00:18:31.720 and they all voted for Hillary. So 97% of people are going to vote for Hillary. And then it didn't

00:18:37.040 happen. Then Trump won. And we decided, hmm, maybe we're not going to believe the media. And yet now

00:18:42.660 for the past few weeks, we've been hearing more and more polls. Trump is going to lose. The majority

00:18:47.020 of people support impeachment. The majority of people across America want to elect Joe Biden.

00:18:52.260 Fox News of all places had a poll out that showed that not only is Biden leading the 2020 Democratic

00:18:57.560 presidential primary race, he's beating Trump in a head-to-head matchup by 12 points.

00:19:03.900 Wow. It's like the race is already over. Trump should start packing his bags, right? Head on down to

00:19:09.240 Mar-a-Lago, which is now going to be his primary residence. We were told that Bernie Sanders has an

00:19:16.280 eight point lead on Donald Trump in a head-to-head matchup, 49 to 41. Elizabeth Warren has a five

00:19:23.600 point lead over President Trump, 46 to 41. Now that's within the poll's margin of error, but still

00:19:29.820 Hillary, or Warren, wow, that was a Freudian slip. I said Hillary instead of Warren. Gosh,

00:19:34.920 that tells you a lot about the campaign. She's still beating Trump. Pete Buttigieg is even tied

00:19:41.400 with Trump. Pete Buttigieg, a mayor of a small town. And then Hillary Clinton, actual Hillary Clinton,

00:19:47.520 not Elizabeth Warren, Hillary 2.0, but Hillary 1.0. If Hillary got into the race, according to this Fox

00:19:53.100 News poll, she has a two point edge. She would beat Trump by two points. So it's all over, right?

00:19:58.560 No. No. The New York Times has another poll out that doesn't just look at the national landscape

00:20:07.540 because I'm skeptical of all polls, as you know. I'm very, very skeptical of national polls because

00:20:15.820 it's turned out that some of these polls have been seriously oversampling Democrats. But the polls that

00:20:21.360 I start to get a little more interested in are the state polls because the election is not based on

00:20:27.120 popular vote. It's not the United People of America. It's the United States of America. So

00:20:31.600 the elections are done on the state level. And specifically, a handful of states, the battleground

00:20:37.080 states, are going to determine the presidential election. So the New York Times drilled down into

00:20:41.140 these battleground states, and they realized something horrifying for the left, which is that

00:20:45.280 when you look at the states that are going to decide the election, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin,

00:20:50.340 Florida, Arizona, North Carolina, things are looking a lot tighter there.

00:20:55.460 It doesn't matter if the Democratic nominee wins by 50 points in California or New York.

00:21:03.800 The Democrats are going to win California or New York. What matters are these battleground states.

00:21:09.360 When you look in the battleground states, is Biden up 12 points on Trump? No. He's up one or two points

00:21:16.660 in all states but North Carolina, where President Trump is actually up two points. So they're in a dead

00:21:24.420 heat in all the battleground states. How about Bernie? Bernie is up three points in Michigan on

00:21:29.840 Trump head to head. Bernie is tied with Trump in Wisconsin. Trump is up everywhere else in the

00:21:37.180 battleground states. How about Elizabeth Warren? Trump beats Elizabeth Warren head to head in every

00:21:43.740 battleground state. How about Pete Buttigieg? Give me a break. Pete Buttigieg? He doesn't even register.

00:21:48.240 Trump is up on everybody. By the way, Trump is up on Liz Warren in the battleground states

00:21:54.220 before she rolled out her ridiculous Medicare for all plan, which is going to be extraordinarily

00:22:00.240 unpopular. $52 trillion. Not exactly going to play in Peoria. Certainly not in these more moderate

00:22:08.760 states. Trump is, how about in Iowa? Iowa is one of these kind of bellwether states. Trump is up on

00:22:15.880 every candidate in Iowa. The New York Times is actually the outlet now who's saying, hold on a

00:22:22.960 second. Don't get too excited. Don't feel like you can just nominate the furthest left candidate.

00:22:28.480 Don't watch out. Maybe let's not go all the way in for Liz Warren just yet. Hold on a second. But

00:22:33.940 nobody's paying attention because the left is living in this fantasy world. The fantasy world in which

00:22:40.400 they believe that they can just tell you what reality is going to be and thereby force reality

00:22:48.020 into existence. This is what every one of these grand poobahs at the mainstream media networks

00:22:53.240 thinks. They say, we don't need to cover the news. We are not beholden to reality. We are not going to

00:23:00.140 be honest stewards of reality and convey that to the people. We are going to, in our own imaginations,

00:23:07.100 write the news. And by virtue of our narrative, we will force that on reality. That's the opposite

00:23:12.240 of what the press is supposed to do. And the New York Times, which has been in the press for a long

00:23:19.140 time, is beginning to say, gosh, I don't, that didn't work out for us in 2016. Maybe it's not going to

00:23:24.140 work out for us in 2020. You're seeing the same thing now with the leading Democratic candidate,

00:23:30.220 Joe Biden. If you remember, the whole problem with Joe Biden is that he engaged in some serious

00:23:35.660 corruption or it looks a lot like he engaged in serious corruption. His son was engaging in

00:23:41.440 corruption and the press has been telling us there's nothing, there's no evidence of it. Joe

00:23:45.740 Biden has been lying through his teeth, demonstrable lies in just the past few days. Said he never knew

00:23:50.180 his son was on the board of that energy company in Ukraine, even though his son admitted that they

00:23:55.160 talked about it. Said they, his son did nothing wrong, even though his son just resigned from the

00:23:59.620 board. Basically said, I did nothing wrong and I'm sorry and I'll never do it again. Now we have new

00:24:05.460 information about this corruption. We have new information out that the energy company that

00:24:11.880 Joe Biden's son sat on the board of had, did in fact push the Obama administration to end its

00:24:18.060 corruption investigations in 2016. We'll get to that in a second. We'll get to the effect of

00:24:22.120 impeachment on that race. Then an ex-evangelical pastor is lecturing other evangelicals about how

00:24:28.840 terrible they are for supporting the Republican president. We'll get to that kind of hypocrisy.

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00:26:40.220 today. New information. Hunter Biden, the company that he was on the board of, pushed the Obama

00:26:48.360 administration to end the corruption investigation in 2016. A representative from Burisma, the energy

00:26:55.220 company, sought to meet with the undersecretary of state, Catherine Novelli, to discuss allegations

00:27:01.060 of corruption and to maybe discuss a way out of it. This is according to the award-winning

00:27:07.760 investigative journalist, John Solomon. This happened in February 2016. There were emails between

00:27:14.460 the State Department officials, which stated. This is between State Department officials.

00:27:19.320 Per our conversation, Karen Tramontano of Blue Star Strategies requested a meeting to discuss

00:27:24.640 with undersecretary Novelli remarks alleging Burisma of corruption. She noted that two high-profile U.S.

00:27:32.480 citizens are affiliated with the company, including Hunter Biden as a board member. Tramontano would

00:27:38.700 like to talk with undersecretary Novelli about getting a better understanding about how the U.S.

00:27:43.220 came to the determination that the company is corrupt. So there's a lot here. First of all,

00:27:49.400 we know that the State Department considered this company corrupt. They're saying it right here in

00:27:53.260 the memos. We know that Hunter Biden's presence on the board was being used by the company to get out

00:28:01.980 of this corruption investigation and skirt the rules. That's also in the email. And yet the media

00:28:09.920 are going to lie to us and say, there's no evidence. There's no big deal. This is it. This is the evidence.

00:28:14.880 We have it right here in black and white. But some people aren't going to believe what they see with

00:28:21.240 their own eyes. They're going to believe the narratives crafted by the mainstream media, which is a very

00:28:26.040 bad idea. That will mislead you. That will force you to believe fantasies like the fantasy that Jeffrey Epstein

00:28:31.080 killed himself. We will get to why the ex-evangelical pastors don't understand the evangelical

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00:29:24.800 So an ex-evangelical pastor is coming out and saying that evangelicals who support Trump

00:29:42.280 are humiliating themselves, embarrassing themselves. They are damaging the gospel. What this guy is doing,

00:29:50.620 Joshua Harris, is one of my least favorite behaviors in politics, which is when people who

00:29:59.440 are not in a particular movement, not in a particular mindset, not in a particular religion,

00:30:06.820 start criticizing the people who are in that organization for failing to live up to their

00:30:13.540 own standards, usually without any basis in reality whatsoever. Here is ex-evangelical Joshua

00:30:21.240 Harris's claim.

00:30:23.540 It sounds like you think the church has made a massive mistake by becoming so identified with

00:30:28.760 President Trump.

00:30:29.540 I think it's incredibly damaging to the gospel and to the church.

00:30:34.520 And you give advice. You still give advice. How do they unwind that? What should they do?

00:30:45.340 I don't think it's going to end well. And I think, you know, you look back at the Old Testament

00:30:57.680 and the relationship between the prophets and really bad leaders and kings. And oftentimes it's

00:31:06.340 it's not something you unwind because it's actually in the scriptures presented as God's judgment on the

00:31:13.720 false religion of the day.

00:31:15.840 You think Christians today who are embracing President Trump are due for a judgment?

00:31:22.580 I think it is the judgment. I think it is part of the judgment.

00:31:25.580 What do you mean by that?

00:31:26.440 To have a leader like Trump, I think, is in itself part of the indictment that this is the leader that

00:31:35.820 you want and maybe deserve, that represents a lot of who you are.

00:31:42.280 What? What verbal gobbledygook is that? Obviously, this man is very confused. So let's try to clear up

00:31:49.840 some of the confusion. He says that conservatives supporting Trump is damaging to the gospel.

00:31:55.380 You cannot damage the gospel. Christ conquered death on the cross and rose from the dead three

00:32:02.020 days later. You can't damage that. As C.S. Lewis pointed out, an atheist can no more diminish God's

00:32:11.360 glory than a lunatic can diminish the sun by writing darkness on the walls of his cell. You can't damage

00:32:19.720 the gospel. You can engage in heresy. You can disbelieve. You can turn away from God. You can't

00:32:25.220 damage the gospel. The gospel happened. It's done. Our redeemer lives. Then he says that

00:32:33.540 people who voted for Donald Trump are calling judgment down upon them. Let's just remind people

00:32:43.360 what it means to vote for Donald Trump. You had two choices in 2016. A woman who was campaigning

00:32:49.280 on killing a million babies a year and taking away all of your constitutional rights and taking away

00:32:54.540 your religious liberty. And Trump, a guy who said he wouldn't do those things and would protect life

00:33:01.120 and would protect religious liberty. We knew how wicked Hillary Clinton was. We weren't quite sure

00:33:07.100 how wicked Donald Trump was. We knew that he lived a sort of colorful life and was a very broken man,

00:33:13.060 as are we all. But those were the choices. Kill a million babies a year. Take away your constitutional

00:33:18.740 rights. Take away your religious liberty. Protect life. Keep your religious liberty. Keep your rights.

00:33:24.300 Maybe. That's not a hard choice. That's not a wrong choice. That's not an evil choice. That's not

00:33:29.960 calling down judgment. The right choice was to vote for Trump. And if this guy is upset about that

00:33:38.080 because he didn't do that or he thought Trump would be worse than he is or whatever. Okay, fine. I get it.

00:33:41.740 It was a difficult choice in so much as Trump is such a weird political candidate that it allowed people to

00:33:48.460 become confused. I get it. That's fine. But that was the right choice. And then you know,

00:33:54.820 it's the right choice because he's asked by the interviewer, what judgment is being called down

00:33:59.060 upon people for this? And the guy says, I don't, I don't know. It's, we'll have to see. It's not going

00:34:07.620 to end well. The judgment is having Trump president. So now he's saying that the judgment is going to be

00:34:14.920 that people get what they asked for. Okay. If this is the judgment, not so bad. Could things be

00:34:23.300 better in the country? Sure. Are things a lot better than they would have been under President

00:34:27.020 Clinton? Yeah. A lot better in every way. Okay. That's fine judgment. He's obviously very confused.

00:34:37.280 He isn't seeing moral questions very clearly. And perhaps that has something to do with the fact

00:34:44.380 that he's made a complete disaster of his own life, as he explains in the same interview.

00:34:51.420 As a very young man, you wrote a book that sold on a million copies.

00:34:56.380 Yeah, it was called I Kissed Dating Goodbye. And that got a lot of attention because it was a radical

00:35:02.120 idea. We shouldn't just not have sex. We should stop dating because dating is leading to us

00:35:08.200 making these mistakes. So the first time you kissed your wife was?

00:35:12.320 At the altar. Yeah. I got married about a year and a half after that book was released and then

00:35:20.560 dove into being a pastor and pastored a church for 17 years. I was a pastor there.

00:35:27.840 And then this summer you went on Instagram and said, essentially, I don't believe.

00:35:33.100 By all the measurements that I have for defining a Christian, I'm not a Christian. What do you mean by

00:35:39.660 that? I was really just trying to be honest about the fact that all the ways that I had defined

00:35:48.720 faith and Christianity, that I was no longer choosing to live according to those. Most significantly,

00:35:56.480 the decision that my wife and I made to end our marriage. Some people were angry. A lot of people

00:36:02.360 were angry, understandably.

00:36:04.800 Understandably. At least he has a little self-awareness there. Because what he's doing is

00:36:10.560 it's not just Joshua Harris who does this. A lot of people do this. You will always hear every single

00:36:17.320 day. If you go on the internet, you will hear atheists criticizing Christians for supporting

00:36:25.400 Donald Trump because they say this is unchristian. These are people who know nothing about Christianity

00:36:30.080 or who at the very least are extraordinarily confused about Christianity, who don't believe

00:36:35.900 in Christianity, who don't think Christianity is true or good, assailing people who do believe

00:36:41.960 Christianity is true or good and who know much more about Christianity than they do for supporting

00:36:45.800 Donald Trump because they say it's unchristian. How about one ounce of humility? It's not a big

00:36:55.880 deal if you don't understand something. All of us don't understand most things. But just a little

00:37:01.740 humility. Instead of saying, you're a terrible Christian because you do something that I don't

00:37:07.240 quite understand and you also profess a faith that I don't understand and don't believe in and don't

00:37:11.960 think is good. But you're bad for that reason for some, for some reason. How about a little

00:37:19.340 humility? I hear this. There's a guy, John Fugelsang, who I sort of like. He's a liberal radio guy who

00:37:26.760 refers to people who support Donald Trump as fake Christians. John Fugelsang knows absolutely nothing

00:37:33.160 about Christianity. He knows actually less than nothing because he knows a very little bit and a

00:37:37.680 little learning is a dangerous thing. So for instance, he thinks that the scriptures defend

00:37:43.560 abortion. And this is because there's one translation of one verse out of context of the book of Numbers

00:37:50.760 that could be misinterpreted to refer to a miscarriage rather than infertility. One translation among

00:38:01.460 zillions of translations of the Bible. And he'll twist that and say that everybody who supports Trump

00:38:09.600 is a bad Christian. That isn't true. Before you cast dispersions like that, you should just have the

00:38:17.720 intellectual humility and the curiosity to learn something yourself. What Joshua Harris says there

00:38:23.000 is a lot of people are upset at him because he's left the church, he's left his wife, he's left his

00:38:29.360 faith. And he made himself out to be this great evangelical Christian leader. This guy always had

00:38:34.880 profound theological errors in what he was peddling, like very deep theological errors. He was the guy

00:38:41.020 who came up with the idea that you shouldn't date. He says how I kissed dating goodbye and created this

00:38:47.380 whole purity culture that is ahistorical and deeply misunderstands the nature of the faith.

00:38:54.200 And then, surprise, surprise, he ran into troubles with his faith because his version of it was

00:39:02.980 unsatisfactory to him, was insufficient, was inadequate. Now he's left the faith and people

00:39:10.060 are rightly angry because he's causing scandal. A scandal is not just when a politician gets caught

00:39:14.420 with his secretary. A scandal is when you lead people away by your example because you've done something

00:39:22.820 wrong. This is one of my great incentives not to sin is I have no, I mean, not no problem, but I could

00:39:33.840 easily be tempted to sin if it were just involving me. And then, you know, I go to confession and I

00:39:41.720 repent of it and I'm very sorry and I go back to living my life. But it doesn't just involve you,

00:39:47.940 especially if you make yourself a public persona like Joshua Harris did. Because by your example,

00:39:54.420 you could lead people away from the truth and lead people away from the faith. And that's a very bad

00:39:58.780 thing. So I'm glad that he has that slight awareness. But then he immediately turns it around

00:40:05.960 and says, and by the way, if you vote for Trump, you're a terrible person in destroying Christianity.

00:40:09.620 Hey, buddy, you left your church, you left your wife, you left your faith.

00:40:13.740 I'm not even attacking you for it. Obviously, you've got some deep confusion and a lot of

00:40:19.080 suffering going on and you need to figure your life out. But maybe you're not the best guy to

00:40:24.300 lecture all of us on Christianity. Maybe you're not the best guy to lecture all of us on how to

00:40:30.280 live your life, okay? You did that for your entire life and then it didn't work out for you and you let

00:40:35.220 a lot of people down a lot of bad paths. Step back a little bit. Same thing with the media,

00:40:40.620 we were talking about all day. The mainstream media, which lie to us all the time, which are

00:40:48.200 caught in scandal, actual scandal, because they're the ones who purport to tell the truth and they

00:40:53.440 are caught covering up the truth and spreading lies, which destroys our faith in the mainstream

00:40:58.780 media, destroys our faith in these institutions that we should be able to trust and leads us to

00:41:03.940 believe internet memes because the internet memes are truer than the mainstream media.

00:41:06.780 Those guys have the audacity to say democracy dies in darkness, Washington Post. Facts first, CNN.

00:41:15.840 We just report the facts. We're defending them. No, you're not. You're not. Which is fine. You're

00:41:21.680 going through a period of intense corruption. Sort your affairs. Get your house in order before you

00:41:28.440 all lecture us. I just have no patience for it anymore. I have no patience. Eric Garcetti,

00:41:33.920 the mayor of my city. I live in Tent City, USA. I live in Los Angeles. I was on a news program the

00:41:39.120 other day on the Fox channel here and Eric Garcetti had just gone on the show and he was asked by the

00:41:46.800 host of the show, Alex Michelson, what are you doing about homelessness? Under Mayor Garcetti's tenure,

00:41:55.260 homelessness has increased dramatically. It has skyrocketed. In just one year, 2017 to 2018,

00:42:02.200 homelessness increased in LA County by 13% and then in LA City by 16%. 16% in one year.

00:42:12.060 And Garcetti says with a straight face, there's no question LA is the model for dealing with

00:42:16.720 homelessness. How can you say that? How can you gaslight us all like that? Just a little,

00:42:25.720 look, if Eric Garcetti came out there and said, hey, homelessness is a really hard problem. We're

00:42:32.140 having a lot of trouble with it. We're being hampered by state and county regulations. It's just,

00:42:36.220 we're working on it. We're trying to get more cops on the beat to bring people in and we're going to

00:42:41.280 do our best and make it happen. At least then we could respect the guy, but he can't do that.

00:42:46.980 And this actually, this story does tie in with another story. We're going to have to get to it

00:42:51.840 tomorrow because it's, it's just that, that gaslighting is so offensive to all of us. It,

00:43:01.320 it leads you to, to distrust all of your institutions. That is the real scandal because I actually,

00:43:08.300 as much as I love the memes, as much as I love that Epstein didn't kill himself, as much as I love

00:43:13.240 all the wild west of information that we have now, I actually would prefer to live in a country

00:43:20.060 where we can have some faith in our institutions, where we can trust the media to not lie to us every

00:43:24.980 single night, where we can trust the government not to spy on its own citizens and to spy on rival

00:43:30.400 presidential campaigns like the Obama administration obviously did. I would like to live in a government

00:43:35.440 where the courts support the rule of law and defend our constitution, where half of the country

00:43:42.040 didn't hate itself, where half of the country didn't protest the American flag. I would rather

00:43:48.920 live in that country because then we could talk about politics less. You know, C.S. Lewis, to bring

00:43:56.140 him up again, had a line on this where he said, a country that doesn't talk about politics at all

00:44:02.840 is in danger of dying because obviously Lewis wrote it more eloquently than me, but I'm paraphrasing.

00:44:10.380 It's in danger of dying because in the same way a sick person who doesn't pay attention to what's

00:44:16.920 going on with his health could die as well. But a country that spends all of its time talking about

00:44:22.780 politics, a country such as ours where we can't trust our institutions, where we don't believe

00:44:27.920 anything that the mainstream media or the establishment are telling us, a country that

00:44:32.680 spends all its time talking about politics is already so thoroughly sick. The sickness is

00:44:38.580 already through it that it's on the verge of being killed already. Much like Jeffrey Epstein,

00:44:46.240 who did not kill himself. That's our show. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:44:49.380 I'll see you tomorrow.

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00:45:47.740 Hey, everyone. It's Andrew Klavan, host of The Andrew Klavan Show. Something amazing is happening

00:45:53.300 in American culture. More important than the news of the day, as the left loses its sense of humor,

00:45:58.160 the right is becoming hilarious. Not least, our hilarious troll-in-chief. This is what we call

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