Ep. 444 - Jeffrey Epstein Didn’t Kill Himself
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On this episode of The Michael Knowles Show, Michael deconstructs the conspiracy theory that Jeffrey Epstein didn t kill himself. He explains why the internet loves conspiracy theories, and why the media loves them so much that they ve become a thing.
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New polling from the New York Times, of all places, suggests the Democrats have been living
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in a progressive fantasy world if they believe that they are likely to defeat President Trump
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in 2020, which makes sense if Democrats believe other fantasies like the narrative that Jeffrey
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Epstein killed himself. We will examine how the left can be so gullible when nobody believes the
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press. Then an ex-evangelical pastor who left his church, family, and faith is lecturing evangelicals
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on how they're ruining Christianity. Finally, the mayor of Tent City, Los Angeles, claims with a
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straight face that LA is the model city for dealing with homelessness. All that and more. I'm Michael
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Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show. LA is the model city for dealing with homelessness,
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just like Krispy Kreme is the model company for dealing with obesity. We'll get to that. Unbelievable
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that they can say this. That's the whole theme. People say with a straight face, narratives and
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storylines that nobody actually believes. Beginning with probably the biggest storyline,
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the most ridiculous narrative, the craziest, wildest conspiracy theory of the last several years,
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the idea that Jeffrey Epstein was just like randomly permitted to kill himself. Nobody actually believes
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that, right? There is a former Navy SEAL who went on Jesse Waters' show on Fox News, and he was talking
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about military dogs because of the story of Conan, that dog who chased down Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
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So it's a completely nice, normal segment about military dogs. And then at the end, he just sneaks in a
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little bit of a fact and a little bit of a meme, which is that Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself.
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Well, thank you for training Nero, who's to your left there, and I'm sure he's ready to go out on the
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next mission, and he can't wait. So thank you and thank Nero for your service. I appreciate it.
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Absolutely. If I could, could I throw a PSA out real quick? Real quick.
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Just the remarkable nature of these dogs and them being highlighted in the news creates a huge demand
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by people that frankly shouldn't have them. If you see the coverage and you decide, I want one of these
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dogs either buy a finished, trained, you know, fully trained and finished dog from a professional
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or just, just don't get one at all. That and Epstein didn't kill himself.
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All right. Okay. Thank you for that commentary. All right.
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Just the greatest Fox News guest in all of history. I say this with no false modesty. I've,
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I've been a guest on Fox News a hundred times and probably closer to 200 times.
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This man is the greatest Fox News guest ever. I bow down to you, sir. Really, really well done.
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Totally straight face. And then he slips in this line. Also, Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself.
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What he's saying is not just something that we all believe to be true. He's saying an internet meme.
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This has become a meme to just give a narrative, state a number of random facts, maybe historical facts.
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And then at the end, as a non sequitur say, also Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself or even you
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try to fit it in so you can tie it in. So for instance, yesterday I tweeted out, I said on this
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day, 608 years ago, Khalil Sultan, the Timurid ruler of Transoxiana died at the age of 27. Shortly
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thereafter, his wife committed suicide, which distinguishes her from Jeffrey Epstein who did
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not kill herself. This has been going around the internet for several days now. And it's not just
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that it's very funny. It's that these memes do tell us something about the culture and
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the media. So another one that was going around, oh, I also tweeted out, I said, L is for the
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way you look at me. O is for the only one I see. V is very, very extraordinary. E is for
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the fact that Epstein didn't kill himself. Another one was a, just a block of text. It said, if
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I have to see one more Jeffrey Epstein meme, I'm literally going to kill myself. Unlike Epstein,
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who was obviously murdered. Another one, a fun fact, the topaz hummingbird is the smallest
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bird in the world. Even though it has the smallest bird brain in existence, it knows that Jeffrey
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Epstein didn't kill himself. And then this one might be my favorite. The babirusa is a
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wild pig whose tusks can grow so long they curve backwards, ultimately impaling their skulls
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and accidentally killing them. Unlike Jeffrey Epstein, who was killed on purpose.
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Why are the memes so popular? Why did this guy go on Fox News and put that in at the end of his
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Why are the Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself memes so popular? Two reasons. One, we can't trust the
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mainstream media. Two, we can't trust the mainstream media. Those are the two reasons. They're
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actually different. What do I mean? The media tell us that it was a suicide. We know that the
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media are in bed with politicians. We know that the media are in bed with some of Jeffrey Epstein's
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clients and staff members. We know that corporate interests play a role in the media as well.
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We know that the mainstream media have abdicated their duty as journalists and so we can't rely
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on them to tell the truth. Actually, James O'Keefe just showed this today in a breaking story about
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Jeffrey Epstein. We'll get to that in one second. The first reason is we can't trust the
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mainstream media to give us the straight news. The other reason that the memes are popular is
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that we can't trust the mainstream media and therefore we need to turn to memes because
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memes beat the mainstream media. Memes beat the mainstream media because they're a way to spread
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information outside the traditional bounds of the traditional press. This was hugely effective
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in 2016. President Trump was the meme king. He didn't start this. He just, because he's a product
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of the popular culture, because he's extraordinarily good at manipulating the media, he became part of
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this organic grassroots media campaign that used internet memes. Elizabeth Warren right now is trying
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to capture this same thing and it's not working. She's got her own meme team. It's not going to work.
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Never going to work. She's not built for memes. Why not? Because the mainstream media love
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Elizabeth Warren. The whole thing about memes is they've got to be countercultural. The whole
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thing about counterculture is it's got to constantly use changing lingo. It's got to be subversive. It has
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to be unapproved. It can't be the main storyline being pushed by the media. Liz Warren has cheerleaders
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everywhere from the major news outlets all the way to Saturday Night Live. So the memes are never going to
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catch on for her, but they will for Donald Trump. This was a major joke in 2016 is you had this
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comparison and an image of CNN or, you know, the kind of corporate media. And it said, who do you
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think would win in a fight? The establishment press, deep state, federal bureaucracy, international
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corporate interests. Then it had a photo of Alex Jones, it said, or a shirtless vitamin salesman
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screaming on the radio. And it turns out Alex Jones, because Trump won and Jones was considered
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one of the deplorable people who was backing Donald Trump. And that's hilarious. And that actually
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became a meme in and of itself. The memes are not just for entertainment. The memes are actually an
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effective way to spread information and to subvert a mainstream media that is totally corrupt.
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I did a speech for YAF at USC. This is probably a month or so ago called the mainstream media or fake
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news. I just outlined very briefly some of the connections between the press and the democratic
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party and the mainstream left and the deep state and the bureaucracy and the government.
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The speech was like 40 minutes long and I didn't even come close to describing all of the connections.
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It is totally corrupted from within. Now, James O'Keefe, investigative independent journalist,
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actually has some new recordings on the Epstein affair. He got a hot mic from ABC news anchor,
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Amy Robach, who was describing how for three years, she tried to report on the Epstein story.
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She had information on it and her bosses at ABC news killed the story.
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I've had the story for three years. I've had this interview with Virginia Roberts.
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We would not put it on the air. First of all, I was told, who's Jeffrey Epstein? No one knows who
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that is. This is a stupid story. Then the palace found out that we had her whole allegations about
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Prince Andrew and threatened us a million different ways. We were so afraid we wouldn't be able to
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interview Kate and Will that we, that also quashed the story. And then, and then Alan Dershowitz was
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also implicated in because of the planes. She told me everything. She had pictures. She had
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everything. She was in hiding for 12 years. We convinced her to come out. We convinced her to
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talk to us. Um, it was unbelievable what we had Clinton. We had everything.
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I, I tried for three years to get it on to no avail. And now it's all coming out and it's like these new
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revelations. And I freaking had all of it. I, I, I'm so pissed right now. Like every day I get more
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and more pissed. Cause I'm just like, Oh my God, we, it was, um, what, what we had was unreal. Other
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women backing it up. Hey, yep. Brad Edwards, the attorney three years ago saying like, aunt, like
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we, there will come a day, but we will realize Jeffrey Epstein was the most prolific pedophile
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this country has ever known. I had it all three years ago. She had it all three years ago and her
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bosses wouldn't let her run it. So this is a hot mic. She's obviously complaining to, I don't know,
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her producer or somebody on the set about how the Epstein story broke and she could have broke it
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three years ago. And her job is to break stories. So it would have been very helpful to her
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professionally. And the story got killed. Did the story get killed because, Oh, nobody knows who
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Jeffrey Epstein is. No, of course not. The point of the news is to break the news is to do investigations
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and dig up stories that people haven't heard about and then convey those stories. But that's not what
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they did. Said, Oh, it doesn't matter. It's not a big deal. Did they shut it down for that reason?
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Or did they shut it down? Because very, very powerful people perhaps in ABC news insisted
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that they shut it down because it wouldn't look good for them. Certainly the latter. And so now you
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have this meme, Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself. And the reaction of the mainstream media, the reaction
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of people in the establishment is to say, Oh, don't say that's ridiculous. Don't traffic in that sort of
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nonsense. That's a conspiracy theory. Maybe, but what ABC news and the rest of the mainstream media
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did by covering up the story for three years is an actual conspiracy. So forgive us for trafficking in
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a conspiracy theory. When we have hard evidence that you guys actually engaged in a conspiracy.
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I said this when the Epstein story broke, I said, I don't know how Jeffrey Epstein died. He very well
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might've killed himself. What I do know though, is that the least plausible explanation for how
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Jeffrey Epstein died is that he just accidentally was permitted to kill himself because he, he shouldn't
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have been able to do it anyway. He tried to kill himself apparently six days earlier. He was then
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taken off of suicide watch or he was taken off. He tried to kill himself a couple of weeks earlier.
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He was taken off of suicide watch six days later. Then at the time that he allegedly killed himself,
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both of the guards who were supposed to check on him just fell asleep coincidentally at exactly the
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same time. And then not one, but two cameras outside of his cell just, just didn't work.
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They just malfunctioned at exactly the same time. And then he, it was revealed in the autopsy had a
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couple of bones, few bones broken in his neck that only appear in about 1% of hangings and certainly
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not from a height at which he would have had to hang himself with his bed. And it was much more in
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line with strangulation. But Hey, listen, don't ask any of those questions. Don't ever traffic in
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that kind of crazy conspiracy theory. Just ignore the actual conspiracy of the mainstream media.
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This is why the memes work. And I've got a big warning here for the left.
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If the left wing does not shape up, if the left does not stop spreading lies, if the left does not
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stop covering up stories on the mainstream media through its outlets, through its establishment
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candidates, it's going to lose again. It's going to lose again in 2020 without question, because
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the more corrupt the mainstream media becomes, the more empowered everybody else feels
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to spread their own information and to believe their own information.
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And there is a lot of fake information on the internet. There's that famous picture of Abraham
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Lincoln. And the quote says, don't believe everything you read on the internet. Abraham
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Lincoln, 1860. There's a lot of false information on the internet in a, in an honest culture, in
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a culture where the media are actually reporting the facts, people have no need to believe whatever
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So now James O'Keefe actually has new recordings on the Epstein affair. We actually see the mainstream
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media lying and admitting they're lying and just going, exposing the conspiracy of the conspiracy
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of the conspiracy theory. What does this mean for President Trump? It's good news. The more the
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media look foolish, the less people are going to believe what the media tell us. The media told us
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in 2016 that there was 120,000% chance that Hillary would win, 0% chance that Trump would win. There's
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no reason even to go to the polls. We heard that the day before the election, I kid you not,
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99% chance Hillary wins, 97% chance that Hillary wins. All the scientists who allegedly say that
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global warming is going to kill us all, I guess they all went and they were the only people polled
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and they all voted for Hillary. So 97% of people are going to vote for Hillary. And then it didn't
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happen. Then Trump won. And we decided, hmm, maybe we're not going to believe the media. And yet now
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for the past few weeks, we've been hearing more and more polls. Trump is going to lose. The majority
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of people support impeachment. The majority of people across America want to elect Joe Biden.
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Fox News of all places had a poll out that showed that not only is Biden leading the 2020 Democratic
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presidential primary race, he's beating Trump in a head-to-head matchup by 12 points.
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Wow. It's like the race is already over. Trump should start packing his bags, right? Head on down to
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Mar-a-Lago, which is now going to be his primary residence. We were told that Bernie Sanders has an
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eight point lead on Donald Trump in a head-to-head matchup, 49 to 41. Elizabeth Warren has a five
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point lead over President Trump, 46 to 41. Now that's within the poll's margin of error, but still
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Hillary, or Warren, wow, that was a Freudian slip. I said Hillary instead of Warren. Gosh,
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that tells you a lot about the campaign. She's still beating Trump. Pete Buttigieg is even tied
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with Trump. Pete Buttigieg, a mayor of a small town. And then Hillary Clinton, actual Hillary Clinton,
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not Elizabeth Warren, Hillary 2.0, but Hillary 1.0. If Hillary got into the race, according to this Fox
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News poll, she has a two point edge. She would beat Trump by two points. So it's all over, right?
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No. No. The New York Times has another poll out that doesn't just look at the national landscape
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because I'm skeptical of all polls, as you know. I'm very, very skeptical of national polls because
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it's turned out that some of these polls have been seriously oversampling Democrats. But the polls that
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I start to get a little more interested in are the state polls because the election is not based on
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popular vote. It's not the United People of America. It's the United States of America. So
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the elections are done on the state level. And specifically, a handful of states, the battleground
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states, are going to determine the presidential election. So the New York Times drilled down into
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these battleground states, and they realized something horrifying for the left, which is that
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when you look at the states that are going to decide the election, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin,
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Florida, Arizona, North Carolina, things are looking a lot tighter there.
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It doesn't matter if the Democratic nominee wins by 50 points in California or New York.
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The Democrats are going to win California or New York. What matters are these battleground states.
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When you look in the battleground states, is Biden up 12 points on Trump? No. He's up one or two points
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in all states but North Carolina, where President Trump is actually up two points. So they're in a dead
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heat in all the battleground states. How about Bernie? Bernie is up three points in Michigan on
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Trump head to head. Bernie is tied with Trump in Wisconsin. Trump is up everywhere else in the
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battleground states. How about Elizabeth Warren? Trump beats Elizabeth Warren head to head in every
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battleground state. How about Pete Buttigieg? Give me a break. Pete Buttigieg? He doesn't even register.
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Trump is up on everybody. By the way, Trump is up on Liz Warren in the battleground states
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before she rolled out her ridiculous Medicare for all plan, which is going to be extraordinarily
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unpopular. $52 trillion. Not exactly going to play in Peoria. Certainly not in these more moderate
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states. Trump is, how about in Iowa? Iowa is one of these kind of bellwether states. Trump is up on
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every candidate in Iowa. The New York Times is actually the outlet now who's saying, hold on a
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second. Don't get too excited. Don't feel like you can just nominate the furthest left candidate.
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Don't watch out. Maybe let's not go all the way in for Liz Warren just yet. Hold on a second. But
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nobody's paying attention because the left is living in this fantasy world. The fantasy world in which
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they believe that they can just tell you what reality is going to be and thereby force reality
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into existence. This is what every one of these grand poobahs at the mainstream media networks
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thinks. They say, we don't need to cover the news. We are not beholden to reality. We are not going to
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be honest stewards of reality and convey that to the people. We are going to, in our own imaginations,
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write the news. And by virtue of our narrative, we will force that on reality. That's the opposite
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of what the press is supposed to do. And the New York Times, which has been in the press for a long
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time, is beginning to say, gosh, I don't, that didn't work out for us in 2016. Maybe it's not going to
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work out for us in 2020. You're seeing the same thing now with the leading Democratic candidate,
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Joe Biden. If you remember, the whole problem with Joe Biden is that he engaged in some serious
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corruption or it looks a lot like he engaged in serious corruption. His son was engaging in
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corruption and the press has been telling us there's nothing, there's no evidence of it. Joe
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Biden has been lying through his teeth, demonstrable lies in just the past few days. Said he never knew
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his son was on the board of that energy company in Ukraine, even though his son admitted that they
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talked about it. Said they, his son did nothing wrong, even though his son just resigned from the
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Joe Biden's son sat on the board of had, did in fact push the Obama administration to end its
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corruption investigations in 2016. We'll get to that in a second. We'll get to the effect of
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impeachment on that race. Then an ex-evangelical pastor is lecturing other evangelicals about how
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company, sought to meet with the undersecretary of state, Catherine Novelli, to discuss allegations
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of corruption and to maybe discuss a way out of it. This is according to the award-winning
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investigative journalist, John Solomon. This happened in February 2016. There were emails between
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the State Department officials, which stated. This is between State Department officials.
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Per our conversation, Karen Tramontano of Blue Star Strategies requested a meeting to discuss
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with undersecretary Novelli remarks alleging Burisma of corruption. She noted that two high-profile U.S.
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citizens are affiliated with the company, including Hunter Biden as a board member. Tramontano would
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like to talk with undersecretary Novelli about getting a better understanding about how the U.S.
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came to the determination that the company is corrupt. So there's a lot here. First of all,
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we know that the State Department considered this company corrupt. They're saying it right here in
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the memos. We know that Hunter Biden's presence on the board was being used by the company to get out
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of this corruption investigation and skirt the rules. That's also in the email. And yet the media
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So an ex-evangelical pastor is coming out and saying that evangelicals who support Trump
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are humiliating themselves, embarrassing themselves. They are damaging the gospel. What this guy is doing,
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Joshua Harris, is one of my least favorite behaviors in politics, which is when people who
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are not in a particular movement, not in a particular mindset, not in a particular religion,
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start criticizing the people who are in that organization for failing to live up to their
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own standards, usually without any basis in reality whatsoever. Here is ex-evangelical Joshua
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It sounds like you think the church has made a massive mistake by becoming so identified with
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I think it's incredibly damaging to the gospel and to the church.
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And you give advice. You still give advice. How do they unwind that? What should they do?
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I don't think it's going to end well. And I think, you know, you look back at the Old Testament
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and the relationship between the prophets and really bad leaders and kings. And oftentimes it's
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it's not something you unwind because it's actually in the scriptures presented as God's judgment on the
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You think Christians today who are embracing President Trump are due for a judgment?
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I think it is the judgment. I think it is part of the judgment.
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To have a leader like Trump, I think, is in itself part of the indictment that this is the leader that
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you want and maybe deserve, that represents a lot of who you are.
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What? What verbal gobbledygook is that? Obviously, this man is very confused. So let's try to clear up
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some of the confusion. He says that conservatives supporting Trump is damaging to the gospel.
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You cannot damage the gospel. Christ conquered death on the cross and rose from the dead three
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days later. You can't damage that. As C.S. Lewis pointed out, an atheist can no more diminish God's
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glory than a lunatic can diminish the sun by writing darkness on the walls of his cell. You can't damage
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the gospel. You can engage in heresy. You can disbelieve. You can turn away from God. You can't
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damage the gospel. The gospel happened. It's done. Our redeemer lives. Then he says that
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people who voted for Donald Trump are calling judgment down upon them. Let's just remind people
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what it means to vote for Donald Trump. You had two choices in 2016. A woman who was campaigning
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on killing a million babies a year and taking away all of your constitutional rights and taking away
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your religious liberty. And Trump, a guy who said he wouldn't do those things and would protect life
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and would protect religious liberty. We knew how wicked Hillary Clinton was. We weren't quite sure
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how wicked Donald Trump was. We knew that he lived a sort of colorful life and was a very broken man,
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as are we all. But those were the choices. Kill a million babies a year. Take away your constitutional
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rights. Take away your religious liberty. Protect life. Keep your religious liberty. Keep your rights.
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Maybe. That's not a hard choice. That's not a wrong choice. That's not an evil choice. That's not
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calling down judgment. The right choice was to vote for Trump. And if this guy is upset about that
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because he didn't do that or he thought Trump would be worse than he is or whatever. Okay, fine. I get it.
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It was a difficult choice in so much as Trump is such a weird political candidate that it allowed people to
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become confused. I get it. That's fine. But that was the right choice. And then you know,
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it's the right choice because he's asked by the interviewer, what judgment is being called down
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upon people for this? And the guy says, I don't, I don't know. It's, we'll have to see. It's not going
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to end well. The judgment is having Trump president. So now he's saying that the judgment is going to be
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that people get what they asked for. Okay. If this is the judgment, not so bad. Could things be
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better in the country? Sure. Are things a lot better than they would have been under President
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Clinton? Yeah. A lot better in every way. Okay. That's fine judgment. He's obviously very confused.
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He isn't seeing moral questions very clearly. And perhaps that has something to do with the fact
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that he's made a complete disaster of his own life, as he explains in the same interview.
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As a very young man, you wrote a book that sold on a million copies.
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Yeah, it was called I Kissed Dating Goodbye. And that got a lot of attention because it was a radical
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idea. We shouldn't just not have sex. We should stop dating because dating is leading to us
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making these mistakes. So the first time you kissed your wife was?
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At the altar. Yeah. I got married about a year and a half after that book was released and then
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dove into being a pastor and pastored a church for 17 years. I was a pastor there.
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And then this summer you went on Instagram and said, essentially, I don't believe.
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By all the measurements that I have for defining a Christian, I'm not a Christian. What do you mean by
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that? I was really just trying to be honest about the fact that all the ways that I had defined
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faith and Christianity, that I was no longer choosing to live according to those. Most significantly,
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the decision that my wife and I made to end our marriage. Some people were angry. A lot of people
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Understandably. At least he has a little self-awareness there. Because what he's doing is
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it's not just Joshua Harris who does this. A lot of people do this. You will always hear every single
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day. If you go on the internet, you will hear atheists criticizing Christians for supporting
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Donald Trump because they say this is unchristian. These are people who know nothing about Christianity
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or who at the very least are extraordinarily confused about Christianity, who don't believe
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in Christianity, who don't think Christianity is true or good, assailing people who do believe
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Christianity is true or good and who know much more about Christianity than they do for supporting
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Donald Trump because they say it's unchristian. How about one ounce of humility? It's not a big
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deal if you don't understand something. All of us don't understand most things. But just a little
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humility. Instead of saying, you're a terrible Christian because you do something that I don't
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quite understand and you also profess a faith that I don't understand and don't believe in and don't
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think is good. But you're bad for that reason for some, for some reason. How about a little
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humility? I hear this. There's a guy, John Fugelsang, who I sort of like. He's a liberal radio guy who
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refers to people who support Donald Trump as fake Christians. John Fugelsang knows absolutely nothing
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about Christianity. He knows actually less than nothing because he knows a very little bit and a
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little learning is a dangerous thing. So for instance, he thinks that the scriptures defend
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abortion. And this is because there's one translation of one verse out of context of the book of Numbers
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that could be misinterpreted to refer to a miscarriage rather than infertility. One translation among
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zillions of translations of the Bible. And he'll twist that and say that everybody who supports Trump
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is a bad Christian. That isn't true. Before you cast dispersions like that, you should just have the
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intellectual humility and the curiosity to learn something yourself. What Joshua Harris says there
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is a lot of people are upset at him because he's left the church, he's left his wife, he's left his
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faith. And he made himself out to be this great evangelical Christian leader. This guy always had
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profound theological errors in what he was peddling, like very deep theological errors. He was the guy
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who came up with the idea that you shouldn't date. He says how I kissed dating goodbye and created this
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whole purity culture that is ahistorical and deeply misunderstands the nature of the faith.
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And then, surprise, surprise, he ran into troubles with his faith because his version of it was
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unsatisfactory to him, was insufficient, was inadequate. Now he's left the faith and people
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are rightly angry because he's causing scandal. A scandal is not just when a politician gets caught
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with his secretary. A scandal is when you lead people away by your example because you've done something
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wrong. This is one of my great incentives not to sin is I have no, I mean, not no problem, but I could
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easily be tempted to sin if it were just involving me. And then, you know, I go to confession and I
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repent of it and I'm very sorry and I go back to living my life. But it doesn't just involve you,
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especially if you make yourself a public persona like Joshua Harris did. Because by your example,
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you could lead people away from the truth and lead people away from the faith. And that's a very bad
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thing. So I'm glad that he has that slight awareness. But then he immediately turns it around
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and says, and by the way, if you vote for Trump, you're a terrible person in destroying Christianity.
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Hey, buddy, you left your church, you left your wife, you left your faith.
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I'm not even attacking you for it. Obviously, you've got some deep confusion and a lot of
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suffering going on and you need to figure your life out. But maybe you're not the best guy to
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lecture all of us on Christianity. Maybe you're not the best guy to lecture all of us on how to
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live your life, okay? You did that for your entire life and then it didn't work out for you and you let
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a lot of people down a lot of bad paths. Step back a little bit. Same thing with the media,
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we were talking about all day. The mainstream media, which lie to us all the time, which are
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caught in scandal, actual scandal, because they're the ones who purport to tell the truth and they
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are caught covering up the truth and spreading lies, which destroys our faith in the mainstream
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media, destroys our faith in these institutions that we should be able to trust and leads us to
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believe internet memes because the internet memes are truer than the mainstream media.
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Those guys have the audacity to say democracy dies in darkness, Washington Post. Facts first, CNN.
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We just report the facts. We're defending them. No, you're not. You're not. Which is fine. You're
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going through a period of intense corruption. Sort your affairs. Get your house in order before you
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all lecture us. I just have no patience for it anymore. I have no patience. Eric Garcetti,
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the mayor of my city. I live in Tent City, USA. I live in Los Angeles. I was on a news program the
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other day on the Fox channel here and Eric Garcetti had just gone on the show and he was asked by the
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host of the show, Alex Michelson, what are you doing about homelessness? Under Mayor Garcetti's tenure,
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homelessness has increased dramatically. It has skyrocketed. In just one year, 2017 to 2018,
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homelessness increased in LA County by 13% and then in LA City by 16%. 16% in one year.
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And Garcetti says with a straight face, there's no question LA is the model for dealing with
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homelessness. How can you say that? How can you gaslight us all like that? Just a little,
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look, if Eric Garcetti came out there and said, hey, homelessness is a really hard problem. We're
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having a lot of trouble with it. We're being hampered by state and county regulations. It's just,
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we're working on it. We're trying to get more cops on the beat to bring people in and we're going to
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do our best and make it happen. At least then we could respect the guy, but he can't do that.
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And this actually, this story does tie in with another story. We're going to have to get to it
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tomorrow because it's, it's just that, that gaslighting is so offensive to all of us. It,
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it leads you to, to distrust all of your institutions. That is the real scandal because I actually,
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as much as I love the memes, as much as I love that Epstein didn't kill himself, as much as I love
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all the wild west of information that we have now, I actually would prefer to live in a country
00:43:20.060
where we can have some faith in our institutions, where we can trust the media to not lie to us every
00:43:24.980
single night, where we can trust the government not to spy on its own citizens and to spy on rival
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presidential campaigns like the Obama administration obviously did. I would like to live in a government
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where the courts support the rule of law and defend our constitution, where half of the country
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didn't hate itself, where half of the country didn't protest the American flag. I would rather
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live in that country because then we could talk about politics less. You know, C.S. Lewis, to bring
00:43:56.140
him up again, had a line on this where he said, a country that doesn't talk about politics at all
00:44:02.840
is in danger of dying because obviously Lewis wrote it more eloquently than me, but I'm paraphrasing.
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It's in danger of dying because in the same way a sick person who doesn't pay attention to what's
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going on with his health could die as well. But a country that spends all of its time talking about
00:44:22.780
politics, a country such as ours where we can't trust our institutions, where we don't believe
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anything that the mainstream media or the establishment are telling us, a country that
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spends all its time talking about politics is already so thoroughly sick. The sickness is
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already through it that it's on the verge of being killed already. Much like Jeffrey Epstein,
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who did not kill himself. That's our show. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.
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Hey, everyone. It's Andrew Klavan, host of The Andrew Klavan Show. Something amazing is happening
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