Ep. 450 - Everything You Need To Know About Impeachment
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In a farce, Congressional Democrats call two star witnesses to testify in the impeachment hearing. Meanwhile, Republican Jim Jordan reduces them both to a sputtering pile of mush in about 25 seconds. We will examine everything you need to know about impeachment, then, a surprisingly sensible take on transgenderism from a notoriously senseless source, Hillary Clinton. We will analyze the left's gender fault lines. Finally, The Mailbag. All that and more.
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Congressional Democrats call two star witnesses to testify in the impeachment hearing.
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Ambassador to Ukraine, William Taylor, and Deputy Assistant Secretary of State, George Kent.
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Meanwhile, Republican Jim Jordan reduced them both to a sputtering pile of mush in about 25
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seconds. We will examine everything you need to know about impeachment. Then, a surprisingly
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sensible take on transgenderism from a notoriously senseless source, Hillary Clinton. Hillary
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Clinton. Unbelievable. We will analyze the left's gender fault lines. Finally, the mailbag. All
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that and more. I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.
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By the way, I want you to know I'm considering titling my next best-selling blank book,
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Everything You Need to Know About Impeachment, because you don't need to know anything about
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impeachment because it's a complete farce, and we found out that it was a farce today. I guess
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it's not quite true. It's worth knowing exactly what's happening in the impeachment hearing
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just so you can see how transparently political, nakedly partisan, hacky this whole thing is. It has
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no basis in the law, no basis in the Constitution, no basis in reality whatsoever. Who are the key
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figures? The star witnesses that the Democrats called forward today that were supposed to sink
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President Trump. Two guys, Ambassador Bill Taylor. He was a soldier. He worked as a legislative
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assistant for the Democratic Senator Bill Bradley, and then he worked at the State Department under
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Bush and Obama. He is key here because Ambassador Taylor, ambassador to Ukraine,
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had texted the ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland, and asked him,
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are we now saying that security assistance and White House meeting are conditioned on the
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investigations into Biden? So he's the one who texted the ambassador to the EU to say,
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is there a quid pro quo more or less? Now, what's funny is we already have testimony from Sondland that
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there isn't a quid pro quo and that this is all just a big misunderstanding. But anyway, that is how
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Ambassador Taylor fits into this. The other guy who fits in is George Kent. George Kent is Deputy
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Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, and he is a career foreign service
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guy. Now, Ambassador Taylor opens this up. And if he's going to be the star witness, right? So
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Ambassador Taylor should come out there and just say, here it is. I've got the smoking gun.
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Here's the evidence that President Trump engaged in some corruption. And here's how I know it. And
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here's what I saw and what I heard. But he can't do that because Ambassador Taylor didn't see or hear
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anything. He has no firsthand information whatsoever. In fact, as he pathetically revealed
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today in this testimony before the Democratic counsel, Daniel Goldman, he can offer the impeachment
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inquiry absolutely nothing other than to tell them what he heard from other people.
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Mr. Goldman, what I can do here for you today is tell you what I heard from people. And in this case,
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it was what I heard from Ambassador Sondland. Okay. So that was a perfectly honest statement.
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And at the end of that statement, I think everybody should have gone home because he said, well, look,
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I'm here to testify about some rumors that I heard and a bunch of hearsay. And so I don't know why you
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didn't get the people that I allegedly heard all this from, but all I can do is peddle in hearsay and
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rumors. Okay, I guess we're finished here, right? But it's the best they've got. I mean, this is,
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he is the star witness because he's the best that the Democrats have. It did not take very long for
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the Republican, Jim Jordan, who is just terrific at ripping these guys apart in testimony to
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pretty much reduce Ambassador Taylor to a pile of mealy-mouthed mush.
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Let me read it one more time. Ambassador Taylor recalls that Mr. Morrison told Ambassador Taylor
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that I told Mr. Morrison that I conveyed this message to Mr. Yarmouk on September 1st, 2019,
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in connection with Vice President Pence's visit to Warsaw and a meeting with President Zelensky.
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We got six people having four conversations in one sentence, and you just told me this is where
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you got your clear understanding. Which, I mean, even though you had three opportunities with
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President Zelensky for him to tell you, you know what, we're going to do these investigations to get
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the aid. Didn't tell you three different times. Never makes an announcement, never tweets about it,
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never does to see an interview. Ambassador, you weren't on the call, were you? You didn't listen
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on President Trump's call and President Zelensky's call? I did not. You've never talked with Chief
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of Staff Mulvaney? I never did. You never met the President? That's correct. He had three meetings
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again with Zelensky and it didn't come up. And two of those they had never heard about as far as I
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know. There was no reason for it to come up. And President Zelensky never made an announcement.
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This is what I can't believe, and you're their star witness. You're their first witness.
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You're the guy. You're the guy based on this, based on, I mean, I've seen, I've seen
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church prayer chains that are easier to understand than this. Oh, devastating, devastating. And I
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actually don't even really mean to attack William Taylor here, the ambassador. He's being dragged
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before this committee. I don't think he's exactly eager to do it. He doesn't come out of this thing
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looking all that great. He looks like he has nothing to say because he does have nothing to say.
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And Jim Jordan gets to the heart of it. You weren't on the call. You have no firsthand knowledge
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of anything. You don't know anything about the quid pro quo. And actually, you've never even met
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Donald Trump in your whole life. Is that right? Yes, that's right. But you heard about it from a
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guy who was at a coffee shop on the phone with another guy who read a newspaper about a third guy
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that none of it really strikes anybody as the bombshell testimony that we were all waiting for
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because there's nothing to offer. So Jim Jordan puts it all into stark light. And what the Democrats
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are hoping for here is that you won't watch these clips. You won't listen to reports about this.
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You won't read any of the testimony. You'll just hear the cloud of impeachment. And you'll just
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assume that because the fancy people on TV who wear suits and neckties are telling you with a very
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straight face that the president has to be removed, that you will come to agree with that as well.
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That's what they're banking on. It doesn't matter as far as they're concerned if these guys have
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nothing to say. It's just got to be the illusion of having something to say. And Jim Jordan is not
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going to allow that cloud of vagueness to persist. He's going to cut to the issue and he does finish
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the left is banking on in this impeachment stuff, gets to the heart of the matter. And then
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while he's interrogating Ambassador Taylor, he finishes the job.
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Ambassador Taylor recalls that Mr. Morrison told, now again, this is, I hereby swear in a firm from
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Gordon Sondland. Ambassador Taylor recalls that Mr. Morrison told Ambassador Taylor that I told Mr.
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Morrison and I conveyed this message to Mr. Yarmouk on September 1st, 20th. This all happens, by the
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way, this all happens, by the way, in Warsaw, where Vice President Pence meets with President
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Zelensky. And guess what? They didn't talk about any linkage either. Time of the gentleman's expired.
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So they didn't talk about it, right? This is the issue. Even though you're, the left is making all
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of these insinuations and trying to become psychics and read the motives of the president,
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there is no hard evidence of certainly of any crime. There's no hard evidence of any abuse of
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power. There's no hard evidence of any quid pro quo. Not only is there not evidence of an
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impeachable offense, they can't even find hard evidence of maladministration, which is not
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impeachable. And you can read that in the Federalist Papers, but they can't even find evidence of that.
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It's all a bunch of nothing. Then again, while talking to the Democratic Council, Daniel Goldman,
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Daniel Goldman, trying to get anything, trying to give some clip that the Democrats can use in this
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impeachment inquiry, William Taylor admits that there's no quid pro quo.
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Ambassador Sondland says to call him after you wrote that. Did you, in fact, call him?
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You said that I had, I was wrong about President Trump's intent, that there was no quid pro quo.
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Well, what? Uh, um, hmm. Can you change your answer, please, Ambassador? I'm going to give you
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one more opportunity, Ambassador, to just completely change your answer because it really throws them
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off. So this whole reason that Taylor is here, Taylor is the guy who sends the text to Sondland
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saying, are you telling me there's a quid pro quo going on here? And Sondland says, call me,
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because obviously there was some confusion. And what the Democrats were hoping is that Taylor would
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say, and then we found out that this dirty crook Trump was selling out the country and investigating
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his political rivals in exchange for funding. And, but what does Taylor say instead? He says,
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yeah, I called Sondland and Sondland told me that I was misunderstanding this and there's no quid pro
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quo. And then this port, this democratic council's jaw just dropped. And he was very, very upset.
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Taylor in his initial read of the situation was wrong. That's what it comes down to. And he even
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admits it himself. Ambassador Taylor, uh, the gentleman asked if you could be wrong. Were you wrong
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when you said you had a clear understanding that President Zelensky had to commit to an investigation
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of Biden's before the aid got released and the aid got released and he didn't commit to an
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investigation? Mr. I was not wrong about what I told you, which is what I heard. That's all I've
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said. I've told you what I heard. And that's the point. What you heard did not happen. It didn't
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happen. It did not happen. This is the key. You see, at first he starts to try to defend himself
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and say, no, I wasn't wrong. But then Jim Jordan comes out and he shows that he was wrong. So the,
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the question here is, did Trump engage in the quid pro quo? Were you wrong when you said,
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said, well, I wasn't wrong in relaying what I heard second or third hand. And Jordan says,
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but that's not the point. The point is, were you wrong about the thing itself? And we actually know
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that he was wrong about the thing itself. Why do we know that he was wrong about the quid pro quo
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itself? Because it didn't happen. The, what the quid pro quo was supposed to be that Donald Trump is
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going to withhold military aid to Ukraine until the Ukraine investigates Joe and Hunter Biden.
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But Ukraine has not investigated Joe and Hunter Biden and Trump did release the military aid.
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So there was no quid pro quo by definition. He was wrong. And so he, Taylor doesn't want to just
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totally come out and admit that he was wrong, even though he's nailed here. So he starts to
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change the narrative, tries to change what they're talking about in the first place.
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Jim Jordan doesn't let him do it. You use clear language, clear understanding
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and commitment. And those two things didn't happen. So you had to be wrong.
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Ms. Jordan, the other thing that went on when that, when that assistant was on hold is we shook
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the confidence of a, of a close partner in our reliability. And that, that's not what this
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proceeding is about. Ambassador Taylor has expired. That's not what this whole thing started on.
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The time of the gentleman has expired. Ambassador Taylor, did you want to finish your answer?
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No, that's good. Mr. Chairman. Yeah. You don't want to finish his answer. And that omission
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is an admission that the guy got it wrong because when he, when Jordan nails him, then Taylor all of
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a sudden says, well, what was happening was we were risking our reliance with Ukraine and we were
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making our ally feel a little bit uneasy and say, hold on, wait a second. What are you talking about?
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We're here today to determine if an impeachable offense was committed by withholding aid to Ukraine.
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Ukraine, if there was a quid pro quo even, and you're just saying that there's no evidence of
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that at all. So now you want to turn the tables and say, this is about if we're making Ukraine feel
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uneasy. Not only is that not an impeachable offense, not only is that not, there's nothing wrong with
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that, but that's not what anybody here suggests that they're talking about. You know that the left
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is on the ropes here because they're constantly trying to move the goalposts. And fortunately we got
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some pretty good guys up there on the Hill who are not allowing that to happen. How about George
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Kent? George Kent, the deputy assistant secretary of state. Kent actually admits while he's speaking
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to the Republican representative Stefanik, that he, that the investigation rather that is being
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requested here into corruption in Ukraine and the 2016 election and even the Bidens is perfectly
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legitimate. So for the millions of Americans viewing the first investigation against the
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owner of Burisma was under president Obama's administration. That's correct. And broadly,
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this is very important. You testified in your deposition that when the state department evaluates
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foreign assistance, it is appropriate for them to look at levels of corruption in countries.
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That's correct. And lastly, you also testified that, and this is your quote, issues of corruption have
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been part of high level dialogue between us leaders and Ukrainian leaders, regardless of who is the
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us leader and who is the Ukrainian leader. And that is a normal issue of diplomatic discussion at the
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highest level. End quote. Is that correct? That's correct. End quote. Devastating because even if Trump
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did the worst possible things that Democrats can imagine that he did, there's nothing unusual about
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that. There's nothing uncommon about that. There's a lot of precedent for it. It's a part of statecraft
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and it's certainly not impeachable. We'll get to what this means. Well, we'll get to Trump's
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inquiry? We got to this impeachment inquiry because of a whistleblower, the so-called whistleblower. I
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mentioned this yesterday, but I want to just touch on it a little bit more today. This whistleblower is,
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according to Real Clear Investigations, a young CIA analyst in a 30, 31. He's a Yale grad. He actually
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left Yale right when I got there, so I didn't know him, but I knew a lot of people who know him.
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And he worked for Joe Biden. He worked on Ukraine issues for Joe Biden. He worked for John Brennan.
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He's the deep state. I mean, he's what you would call the deep state. And he filed this complaint,
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which was an absurd complaint, largely just based on public statements the president had made and
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based on rumors that he had heard, just like we heard from Ambassador Taylor. And this, he worked
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with Adam Schiff's office to coordinate this whole, this whole hoax, this whole joke, this whole circus.
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And now he's trying to remain anonymous. And Schiff is lying and pretending that he doesn't know the
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identity of the whistleblower. The whistleblower has to be called to testify. I can't wait for this guy
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to be called to testify. I knew a lot of these guys, a lot of guys who like this whistleblower,
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if the guy is who everyone seems to think he is, were young, over-credentialed. These guys who,
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you know, went through Yale, went right into the federal bureaucracy and think that they have the
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right to govern this country however they see fit. Voting be damned. Presidential elections be damned.
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There are the benevolent bettors, the self-appointed elites in the federal bureaucracy who are going
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to outlast anybody who's elected. And it's so unjust and it's so un-American. That guy's got to
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testify. A little bit of justice though is that there's now a whistleblower on the whistleblower.
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According to Fox News' Greg Rhee, a second whistleblower has filed a complaint with the
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intelligence community inspector general because the original whistleblower, Eric Charamella,
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allegedly, quote, may have violated federal law by indirectly soliciting more than a quarter million
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dollars from mostly anonymous sources via a GoFundMe page. So he may have violated federal
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law by cashing in on the whistleblowing. The whole thing gets tawdrier day after day. First,
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we were told by the mainstream media, of course, that this was a totally honorable, wonderful whistleblower.
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Then we find out, wait a second, he's a career bureaucrat. Wait a second, he worked for Joe
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Biden. Wait a second, he worked for Joe Biden on Ukraine policy. Wait a second, he worked for all
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these guys who have been trying to take out Trump and who are political rivals to Trump. And the
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intelligence community inspector general said there were three clear pieces of evidence that he would
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have an arguable political opposition to the president, that he would have an arguable political
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motivation. Just total BS, like the whole thing. President Trump in his characteristically subtle,
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reticent, nuanced way responded to the impeachment inquiry and he cut right to the heart of the
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matter. What's going on now is the single greatest scam in the history of American politics. The
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Democrats want to take away your guns. They want to take away your healthcare. They want to take away
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your vote. They want to take away your freedom. They want to take away your judges. They want to
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take away everything. We can never let this happen. We're fighting to drain the swamp. And that's exactly
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what I'm doing. And you see why we have to do it because our country is at stake like never before.
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It's all very simple. They're trying to stop me because I'm fighting for you and I'll never let that
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happen. Yeah, pretty much sums it up. I, I can't find a single flaw in what the president just said.
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That's what it's about. And I, I would, I would not believe it, you know, if it were, if he were
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making some claims or covering something up or if he were really, but he's not, he's just saying it
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very basically how it is. The Democrats are trying to overturn that election and stop him because they
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oppose him politically. And they're trying to use impeachment as a tool. They've been trying to do
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it since before he took office. They're trying to use impeachment as the way to do that. They're
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getting a lot of help from the mainstream media. There's an incredible new analysis out, which shows
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just what we are up against. And it's just a bad idea. I know even some conservatives think that we
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ought to use impeachment more than we do. I don't think that at all. I think impeachment should almost
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How is the mainstream media covering it? Well, here's how CBS News is covering it.
00:24:57.000
And there we have it. Day one of the first public hearings in terms of impeachment inquiry
00:25:05.900
against President Donald Trump are now in the history books. Some devastating testimony today
00:25:12.520
from two of America's most respected diplomats who have served both Republican and Democratic
00:25:19.340
presidents. Yeah, it was devastating testimony for the Democrats. It was devastating testimony
00:25:24.900
for them. But this is what they do. I told you at the top of the show, what they're going to do is
00:25:29.560
regardless of how bad the impeachment inquiry goes and the proceedings go for Democrats and you heard
00:25:36.200
it, you heard it with your own two ears. It's going very badly for them, but it doesn't matter
00:25:40.460
because the fancy people in the suits and ties will go on television and tell you it's all really,
00:25:44.920
really bad for, for the president and they'll use it to overturn the election. And at the very least,
00:25:49.680
because they're not going to be able to throw him out of office, they're going to use it to,
00:25:52.660
to hamper him in 2020. There's a Newsbusters analysis, Media Research Center, which does
00:25:58.200
newsbusters.com. Media Research Center did a study of the, the network news. We're talking about ABC,
00:26:03.420
CBS, and NBC evening noon cat newscasts since 2017. What they found is that the news shows cover Trump
00:26:11.980
with negative spin 96% of the time. How do they calculate that? The way they do it is they take
00:26:18.400
all explicitly evaluative statements about Trump or his administration from reporters or anchors or
00:26:24.560
nonpartisan sources. So we're not talking about when the talking heads come on, the pundits and the
00:26:28.880
commentators, and they, they have their own perspective. We're talking about the people who are
00:26:32.200
supposed to be objective and they then take out the partisan sources. They take out all the neutral
00:26:37.380
statements and they just look at evaluative statements. 96% of them are negative and it's
00:26:43.800
all about impeachment. They're dedicating more than three fifths of all administration news coverage
00:26:48.780
on the networks to this impeachment nonsense. They are also using secret sources because if they used
00:26:56.580
real sources, they would be shown to be liars. So out of 172 news reports, the
00:27:01.100
strong majority of them, 59%, 59% relied on unnamed sources for their so-called facts about impeachment.
00:27:10.380
It's BS. It's totally bogus. And they are counting on this vagueness on people's eyes glossing over
00:27:16.680
to put it past the American people. Impeachment is a terrible idea. We've used it now four times,
00:27:23.520
threatened it. Andrew Johnson, uh, uh, Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton, and Donald Trump.
00:27:31.660
Nobody has ever been removed from office as president through impeachment. Johnson was
00:27:36.880
acquitted. Nixon resigned before he could be impeached. Bill Clinton was acquitted. Now we get
00:27:43.160
to Donald Trump. I think it's a very good thing in this country that no president has ever been
00:27:47.140
removed explicitly through the process of impeachment. It's what, what that does, what,
00:27:53.660
what the impeachment process does is reduces the role of the executive, which is a co-equal branch
00:27:59.940
of government. And it makes it subservient to the legislature. Kind of like what we have in
00:28:04.260
the United Kingdom, a parliamentary style government. The founding fathers of this country
00:28:08.180
in their wisdom did not give us that sort of government because that sort of government
00:28:12.560
is chaotic and less representative of the American people and far more radical and far
00:28:18.460
less conservative. We need those checks and balances and you should not be able to throw
00:28:23.100
out a president just because you dislike him politically. Even if there's evidence of some
00:28:28.280
sort of crime, there's a very high threshold. You're not going to ever, uh, impeach the president
00:28:33.860
over a parking ticket or for jaywalking. It's got to really be a political crime. It's got to
00:28:39.080
be a high crime and misdemeanor. But, but what we're seeing here, you heard the clips yourselves.
00:28:45.340
What we're seeing here is Democrats trying to overturn this presidency on nothing. That must be
00:28:52.460
resisted. That's, by the way, the only reason you have to pay attention to this. It's not because
00:28:59.720
it, it is particularly illuminating. It's not. It's a bunch of hacks, hack Democrats trying to throw
00:29:05.140
out the president, but you've got to pay attention because you are going to be lied to by the mainstream
00:29:08.560
media about this. And it could be really damaging and set a really dangerous precedent. Shockingly,
00:29:12.780
this is unbelievable. Hillary Clinton said something almost sensible. Hillary Clinton was asked on her,
00:29:18.120
on her pre-campaign tour. I'm sorry. I mean her book tour with her daughter, uh, about whether women
00:29:23.760
should have concerns about transgenderism. And she said, yes, there is a legitimate concern.
00:29:31.420
There's a legitimate concern that women should have. This is all relatively new. People are still
00:29:35.640
trying to find the language for it, trying to sort it out. I think in the right mindset,
00:29:39.160
this can be understood, but it's going to take some time. Fair point. She says there is a legitimate
00:29:45.820
concern about women's lived experience and the importance of recognizing that, and also the
00:29:50.080
importance of recognizing self-identification. So she's saying, look guys, maybe pump the brakes,
00:29:54.320
maybe slow down a little bit here. That is very important because in the very shallow way that this is
00:30:01.380
being discussed, what the radical leftists want you to believe is that the people who accept the
00:30:07.880
unbelievably radical, incoherent, and brand new idea that a man can become a woman just because,
00:30:14.060
just by thinking so, that those are the good guys. Those guys are fighting for freedom and
00:30:19.060
equality and justice. And that anybody else who believes otherwise, including people like Hillary
00:30:24.840
Clinton, are on the wrong side of history. They're unjust. They're keeping freedom away from people.
00:30:31.380
That, that is absurd. We need to pump the brakes on that. We need some checks and balances in that
00:30:36.160
sort of discourse. And it brings me, right before we get to the mailbag, it brings me to
00:30:39.540
one of the, one of the wildest things I saw on Twitter all day. Worth mentioning. It was a hashtag
00:30:45.300
which said, hashtag thanks birth control. I'm sure there are a lot of young men out there who have
00:30:51.060
tweeted that hashtag thanks birth control, but this was actually women who were tweeting thanks birth
00:30:55.340
control. And here's what they said. One woman, we're going to, we're going to block out their names
00:30:59.020
because I don't want to embarrass them. I just want to point out how absurd their ideas are.
00:31:03.440
One woman tweeted out, I love the freedom to plan if or when to get pregnant. Right now,
00:31:09.000
my choice is fur babies, meaning like dogs and cats. Real babies, maybe later. Thanks birth control.
00:31:17.400
Another, another woman, different woman. Thanks birth control for leaving plenty of room in my life for
00:31:22.600
all the fur babies. Cause honestly, that's all I'm ready for. And that's okay. The fur babies. We'll
00:31:29.220
get back to the fur babies in a second. Another woman tweets out, I love my IUD form of birth control
00:31:34.380
more and more each and every day. I'm grateful that birth control has given me the gift of freedom.
00:31:40.480
And then Hillary Clinton jumped on it. She said reproductive freedom requires access to affordable
00:31:45.200
contraception and it's under attack. If birth control has changed your life, take a moment today to
00:31:49.420
say it out loud. Hashtag thanks birth control. The ladies protest too much, me thinks.
00:31:58.000
I'm, I don't mean to make fun of these women. I think there's a lot of loneliness and anxiety and
00:32:02.660
stress and, and incoherence in the culture right now. And it's convinced people that they can't have
00:32:09.080
children, that they shouldn't have children. To say nothing of the other effects of birth control,
00:32:13.380
it's convinced them that what's empowering to women is not to settle down and
00:32:18.580
make a commitment with a man who's making a commitment to her and have a life together of
00:32:22.540
mutual respect and growing love day after day. But what's empowering to women is to sleep with a
00:32:26.700
hundred men and basically be used and use other people and then slave away in some corporate office
00:32:34.520
in New York. And that's the only way that you're going to have a fulfilling life. And that's obviously
00:32:39.320
a lie. I mean, perhaps you can, people find gratification in all sorts of different ways,
00:32:44.900
but on the whole, the data seem to suggest that that, those kinds of ideas have made women
00:32:50.120
miserable, not just relative to men, but in absolute terms as well since the sexual revolution,
00:32:56.200
since birth control started. But I want to point out this, this perverse idea of freedom.
00:33:01.300
What the second fur baby lady said was, thank you birth control for leaving playroom in my life for
00:33:06.100
my fur babies. Not because that's all I want or desire, but because honestly, that's all I'm ready for.
00:33:14.900
And then you see the other people, Hillary and that other woman talking about how
00:33:18.260
birth control is giving you freedom. It's not giving you freedom. If you are a grownup and you're
00:33:23.840
not ready to have a baby and the only thing you can really imagine taking care of is a cat,
00:33:29.480
then you're not free. What this requires is a deeper understanding of what freedom is.
00:33:36.040
Freedom requires discipline. Freedom requires that your will is not a slave to your appetites.
00:33:43.440
A wise man once said that he who sins is a slave to sin. Which savior of all mankind said that?
00:33:53.080
I forget. It was a guy a long time ago said, he who sins is a slave to sin. The lie that we are told
00:33:59.180
is that when we give into our appetites, that is our freedom. The freedom to pursue our desires and
00:34:05.260
appetites to no end. To eat a lot of food and do a lot of drugs and sleep around a lot and drink too
00:34:09.680
much and whatever. But that actually is not freedom because then those appetites dominate
00:34:15.260
even our will. They dominate even our own maturity. And we're not capable of very basic things that
00:34:21.300
everybody was capable of until recently because we have become slaves to those desires. Slave to,
00:34:27.360
and this is true obviously throughout the sexual revolution, but this is true in so much of our
00:34:32.660
culture, which has given into a cultural decadence. And we, we think of that as a way of, uh, of
00:34:39.160
liberating ourselves. And we find that when we've thrown off the yoke, the chains of traditional
00:34:45.940
morality, we have ensnared ourselves in a far, far more difficult and devastating slavery.
00:34:52.180
Just a little observation about a very, very stupid hashtag. Let's get to the mailbag first.
00:34:58.640
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You know, it occurs to me that, that, that sort of freedom idea applies to impeachment as well, because
00:35:34.920
the, the appetite, especially of the left is to throw president Trump out of office and not wait
00:35:40.620
for the next presidential election and not win it fair and square, just throw them out and, and force
00:35:45.380
that desire on the country. They think this is liberating. It's not liberating because what you
00:35:49.740
have to do in the process is undermine those great structures of government, the separation of powers,
00:35:54.580
the contemplative nature of our Republic and the reliability of our elections. You've got to throw
00:36:00.020
all of that away in the name of freedom. What you're doing is taking away the, the basic political
00:36:06.100
freedoms that we've all enjoyed and that have allowed us to thrive. It's a, it's a real trick.
00:36:10.980
I mean, it's a trick that the devil plays, which is why Jesus talks about this in the gospels,
00:36:15.980
because we, we think that we are pursuing our own freedom that way. And actually it's being stolen
00:36:20.860
away from us. First question from Trent. Hi, Michael. Like you, I took a friend for some
00:36:26.400
money at the Trump victory in 2016. He gave me three to two odds. My question is, would it be
00:36:32.100
wise to double down? I'm curious if Ben would be willing to place a second wager with you again.
00:36:36.400
Thanks. Three to two is pretty good. I got four to one from my pal, Mr. Ben Shapiro, and I've got
00:36:41.140
the check right in the back on my set there. Uh, took him for 400 bucks in 2016 because president
00:36:47.120
Trump won. And I think you should absolutely double down now and you don't even need to
00:36:51.780
be given odds. You could take even odds on this because a president Trump, if the election were
00:36:56.820
held today, would win 57 States. Anything could happen of course. And the Democrats haven't picked
00:37:01.600
a candidate yet that the field is looking very weak. That's why Bloomberg and Hillary are looking
00:37:05.560
at trying to jump back in. As of right now, I would say Trump's reelection chances look pretty
00:37:11.000
good, but next November is a long, long way away. Next question from Leah. I just recently watched
00:37:18.100
divine plan, a documentary about the Alliance of Pope John Paul II and Ronald Reagan against
00:37:23.220
communism. It basically showed both these men believed in God and his divine plan to defeat
00:37:28.900
that evil. I was wondering what your thoughts were on this idea. Thanks. Yes. Ronald Reagan's
00:37:34.820
faith is something that has not been talked or written about very much. He wrote a really beautiful
00:37:38.620
poem called life when he was only 17 years old about providence more or less and about
00:37:44.000
death, judgment, heaven, and hell. It's a really a profound poem and it shows a probing mind,
00:37:50.200
even at that young age, after he was shot, he said very clearly wrote in his diary that he knew he had
00:37:55.200
to dedicate his life to God. He, he was one of the, the most faithful men in public life that we've seen
00:38:01.740
in, in, in recent years. What people get wrong when they look back, especially conservatives,
00:38:08.180
when they look back at the fall of the Berlin wall in the Soviet union is they think of defeating
00:38:13.880
communism in primarily economic terms, but it wasn't primarily about economics. It was primarily
00:38:20.780
spiritual. Winston Churchill, who Ronald Reagan quoted in his time for choosing speech against communism
00:38:26.180
said, when great forces are on the move in the world, we learn that we're spirits,
00:38:30.240
not animals. Something's going on in time and space and beyond time and space, which whether we like it
00:38:35.540
or not spells duty. That's what it was about. And when you look at the evil empire, as Ronald Reagan
00:38:41.900
called the Soviet union, and, and you look at it, it's indictment for its atheism, it's anti-Christianity.
00:38:48.820
The economic issues flow naturally from that, the protection of property rights and the natural law.
00:38:55.100
But if you just try to make it an economic issue, it just simply doesn't make as much sense.
00:39:00.240
Next question from Johnny. My question springs from America's greatest quid pro quo,
00:39:05.480
the democratic delivery of American taxpayer dollars to illegal aliens. Do you think John
00:39:10.620
Roberts will squeal like a pig and side on the Mexican government's request to continue DACA as
00:39:16.400
an American policy, or will he side with the law? Will the Supreme, this is a very colorful way to ask
00:39:22.080
this, but the question is, will the Supreme court overturn DACA? I think there's a very good chance
00:39:26.380
that they will. President Trump seems to think there's a good chance that they will. So he's
00:39:31.140
sending out tweets basically saying that he won't just deport everybody en masse if they do overturn
00:39:36.040
DACA. He's trying to encourage them to do that. And he's smart to do it because the court has become
00:39:39.980
incredibly politicized in recent years, particularly by John Roberts, actually, who was a Republican
00:39:45.940
appointee, even though he doesn't, doesn't behave like that when push comes to shove. The Supreme court
00:39:51.660
watches the news and they watch the election returns. And so I think there's a good chance.
00:39:55.700
I'm cautiously hopeful from Alex. My question is, if self-marriage is now a thing, then what do you
00:40:02.960
think self-divorce will look like? People now are marrying themselves. So what'll it look like when they
00:40:08.580
get divorced? Very, very ugly. That's what I think it will look like. No, I think actually it's a sort of
00:40:16.820
profound question put in funny terms because I think this obsession with the self inevitably
00:40:21.720
ends in divorce. Self-marriage inevitably ends in divorce because a man wrapped up in himself
00:40:27.380
makes a small package indeed and we are not sufficient unto ourselves and we will come to
00:40:31.760
hate ourselves if we think that we are just the be-all and end-all. We have to ground our identity not
00:40:37.180
just in our paltry little selves, but in God himself, in the ultimate good, in the I am that I am.
00:40:43.800
And that's the essence of being. It's the only place where you will find satisfaction in your
00:40:47.520
identity. From Kate, given the additional temptations and many fans infatuation with
00:40:54.160
celebrities, do you think there is an inherent risk in a married person being in the entertainment
00:40:58.180
spotlight? Did you and sweet little Elisa have any talks about this? Thanks. Well, I guess if you're
00:41:04.220
putting me on the Z list or, you know, bottom of the list of celebrities, then where are all my
00:41:11.500
groupies? That's what I want to know. Bring on the groupies, man. All I ever get are these like
00:41:16.380
really nicely dressed young Republican types who ask very articulate questions and go to church.
00:41:21.000
So come on, this is not, not what I was promised. I do think that there is this intrinsic risk of any
00:41:28.040
sort of celebrity. And I don't just mean in entertainment or politics or anything like that.
00:41:31.940
Everybody now on social media can become his own celebrity if he tries hard enough. And it's why you
00:41:38.020
really need to know who you are and what you think before it happened. I feel really bad for child
00:41:44.640
stars and I feel really bad for young people. And even in their early twenties who become minor
00:41:49.420
celebrities before they know what they think and who they are and when they're still immature,
00:41:53.400
it does not end very well. And you can easily give into temptations if you don't have a very good
00:41:58.260
reason not to. So I think it's a, it's a major, major temptation and it's, it's simply not,
00:42:06.520
unfortunately many people who are attracted to the limelight are a little unstable as you may
00:42:11.300
have noticed. And so, uh, there's, that's always going to be that way. But if you do not know who
00:42:19.060
you are, if you are not grounded in some kind of transcendent moral order, I would recommend you
00:42:23.940
refrain from getting too much of that spotlight. From Benjamin, who's a better Catholic, you or Matt
00:42:28.480
Walsh? This has been a heated debate among these skinny boys and Matt Pack followers. Thanks.
00:42:32.580
You know, Catholicism is so defined in many ways by the guilt, the Catholic guilt that people feel. So
00:42:40.780
I guess the best Catholic would be the one who feels like the worst. And so in all of my humility,
00:42:46.780
I would have to say that I am a far, far worse Catholic than Matt Walsh. See if you can figure
00:42:52.320
that one out. From Todd. Hey, Brookhouse Knowles, what are you still doing in California if Florida
00:42:57.400
is good enough for President Covfefe? Why isn't it good enough for you? Would love to see you out here.
00:43:02.160
Thanks. I love Florida. It's a super great place. But when I leave California, I'm going to the
00:43:07.600
greatest city in America, Mobile, Alabama. It's pretty close, right, right, right nearby. Maybe
00:43:12.400
I'll come, come by and visit. From Raffi. You recently rejected the idea of the ideal person
00:43:17.540
as being alone and one with nature. Isn't this a fundamental rejection of John Locke and other
00:43:23.660
enlightenment political theory? John Locke is invoked by the left libertarians and many on the right as
00:43:27.780
well. Shouldn't you be more explicit about your rejection of Locke and what your political
00:43:31.880
theory is based on? I thought I had been very explicit. I am certainly not a Lockean. I mean,
00:43:37.380
there's, to reduce these men to just one idea or one book is kind of silly and there are many
00:43:44.020
contributions that John Locke made which I like very much, but I do not ground my political
00:43:49.080
philosophy in the philosophy of John Locke. If I had to pick one sort of modern political philosopher
00:43:54.100
to point to that explains my ideas, I would point to Edmund Burke, who is the founder of what would
00:43:59.940
be considered conservative political philosophy in the modern era. And Edmund Burke said that John
00:44:05.220
Locke's second treatise of government is one of the worst books that was ever written. John Locke,
00:44:10.760
the reason that I, I reject his sort of description of the origins of humanity is because they're simply
00:44:16.140
not true. They have no basis in reality. And we could go on and talk about that for a very long time,
00:44:22.720
but primarily what I find insufficient about that sort of ideology, which is, which is liberalism or
00:44:29.400
classical liberalism is that it's so, so overly focused on contracts and consent and these kinds
00:44:39.620
of clinical exchanges between people that they don't explain really how things work. I mean, I know that
00:44:44.620
these days a lot of people like to use the term classical liberal as a synonym for conservative,
00:44:49.560
but I certainly don't do that. I wouldn't call myself a liberal or a classical liberal. I'm a
00:44:53.940
conservative to describe my politics. And a big distinction here would be John, John Locke and
00:45:00.660
his followers looking at, at politics primarily through a lens of rights. Whereas I look at politics
00:45:08.120
like Edmund Burke would and like conservatives tend to primarily through the lens of duty and bonds of
00:45:14.180
affection and bonds of loyalty and love. Uh, those are wildly divergent views. And I would encourage
00:45:21.420
people who I've, I, you know, when I was, when I was a young man, I flirted with classical liberalism,
00:45:25.940
but I would, I would encourage people to look beyond, you know, just the sort of two or three
00:45:31.900
writers from the, the enlightenment and look for more, more profound depths of political philosophy.
00:45:38.680
From Brian, what do you think of the French revolution? And would you like to see France
00:45:42.360
returned to being a constitutional monarchy a la the Bourbon restoration? Funny, we were just talking
00:45:47.180
about Edmund Burke. I think pretty much what Edmund Burke thought about the French revolution,
00:45:51.340
which is that it's one of the worst events in the history of the world and, and, and gave us so many
00:45:56.020
of the horrors that we see in modernity today. Now, is that going to be undone by, uh, reinstating some
00:46:03.320
kind of monarch? I'm not totally convinced of that. I think France might be kind of far gone and
00:46:10.160
attempts to kind of reclaim the glories of the past, like in England, for instance,
00:46:14.820
have not worked out very well. You know, the tradition doesn't tell us that we can just go
00:46:18.540
back and pick one moment in history and return to that without consequence. Tradition is an
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unbroken sort of thing. And so we're going to have to, to pull the best of what we can
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from our own tradition, from ourselves to try to correct this, this sort of rotten modernity that's
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given us a whole lot of money and, and wrecked us in many ways spiritually. Last question from
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Joseph. Hello, Michael. I was an atheist for a long time. Now I would like to reconnect with God.
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I was very interested in Catholicism. I am very interested in Catholicism. And I was wondering,
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since you're a Catholic, if you could make an argument for Catholicism over Protestantism.
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Thank you. Sure. I would be happy to. You've probably heard many of the other arguments about
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the historicity of the institution of the Catholic church and of the unbroken line of succession
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from Peter through all the popes. And you've probably heard arguments over many of the
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objections that our Protestant friends make. So I'm really not going to focus on that. And I'd like
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to focus on an argument that really convinced me because I came back from atheism through many
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Protestant philosophers. I really bear no ill will toward Protestant philosophers and people who are,
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who are exploring those ideas. However, I did land on Catholicism. And I think a lot of it comes
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to the nature of symbol. So one big difference between Protestants and Catholics is Catholics
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believe that the host, the communion wafer, the Eucharist, is the literal body and blood of Christ.
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And Protestants, I'm painting with broad brush, but generally speaking, don't believe that. They
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believe that it's just a symbol. And of course, the Eucharist is a symbol. But what is a symbol? I mean,
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what is the nature of symbol when we're talking about Christ? The incarnation is a symbol. The
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incarnate Christ, when the second person of the Trinity takes on flesh and blood, that is a symbol,
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but he is still the divine logic of the universe. He's fully man and fully God. When we use the word
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literal as, say, the opposite of symbol, what do we mean? Literal refers to letters. And what are
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letters? Letters are symbols. What I'm saying is that there is a relationship here between the symbol
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and the symbolized, the symbol, you know, what, you know, what we're talking about, the word, for
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instance, and the symbolized, that which the word signifies. And that relationship in Christ, in the
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church, becomes united. And mankind needs that regular connection between the physical world
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and the metaphysical world, between the world of symbols and the world of the symbolized. He needs
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that regularly, which we get in the sacraments and we get most clearly in the blessed sacrament of the
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Eucharist. It is that combination of not just abstracting and rationalizing everything away from
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what it means, but uniting it together in the real person of Christ, whose flesh is true food and whose
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blood is true drink. That is, I think, for people who are atheists and who are exploring religion,
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that is a concept that I suspect you would find quite interesting. That's a concept that I think
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you might find illuminating. And for people who are on faith journeys, wherever you are on that faith
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journey, I think that is a real beauty and a beauty that will lead you to a greater understanding of
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goodness and truth. And that's what we're all after anyway. Okay, that's our show. I'm Michael Knowles.
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