The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 451 - Trump’s High Crime： Hurt Feelings

00:00:00.000 Democrats in the mainstream media and Congress all the way to former presidents throw cold water on the impeachment push.

00:00:08.360 We will examine the latest bombshell testimony to parse what, if anything, this is all about.

00:00:14.320 Then, Kanye West spreads the gospel to Joel Osteen.

00:00:18.920 Pope Francis wants to make pollution a sin, and a dark horse Democratic candidate takes a big lead in Iowa.

00:00:24.520 All that and more. I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:00:30.000 More bombshell testimony today. It's the bombshell of the bombshells in the impeachment push to oust Trump for doing.

00:00:41.740 We still don't exactly know what they're trying to oust Trump for doing right now, but we got the bombshell testimony of Marie Yovanovitch, the ambassador to Ukraine.

00:00:52.420 She must have the information, right? The Democrats struck out on their first star witness.

00:00:57.000 Then they struck out on their second star witness. Now, let's see if three times is a charm.

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00:02:47.420 We have a lot to get to today. We will get through this bombshell testimony.

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00:03:01.120 But before that, we've got to figure out if the president is going to stay in office.

00:03:05.400 So you remember last week, Bill Taylor was the big star key witness.

00:03:12.180 And Bill Taylor from the Foreign Service comes out and he's asked,

00:03:17.240 do you have any information on a quid pro quo on some crime that Trump committed?

00:03:21.160 And he said, no.

00:03:23.400 Then we have George Kent. He's a deputy assistant secretary of state.

00:03:27.040 They said, do you have information that's going to oust the president, evidence that Trump committed a crime?

00:03:34.060 No. So then they bring in Marie Yovanovitch.

00:03:36.660 Marie Yovanovitch is a career Foreign Service officer.

00:03:40.040 She is ambassador to Ukraine.

00:03:42.980 GOP representative Mark Meadows gets her on the stand and he says,

00:03:46.980 Ambassador Yovanovitch, do you have any information of a crime committed by Trump?

00:03:52.840 Right. This is what we're all here for.

00:03:54.380 And guess what her answer is? Not at all.

00:03:57.740 Madam Ambassador, as you said here before us, very simply and directly,

00:04:02.540 do you have any information regarding the president of the United States accepting any bribes?

00:04:11.000 No.

00:04:11.760 Do you have any information regarding any criminal activity that the president of the United States has been involved with at all?

00:04:20.440 No.

00:04:21.120 What's incredible about that clip, you can hear it in her voice.

00:04:27.200 He asks a very direct question.

00:04:29.140 Do you have evidence of bribes?

00:04:31.500 Should take her less than one second to answer.

00:04:34.200 Nope. No evidence.

00:04:36.180 Do you have evidence that he's committed any crime worthy of impeachment?

00:04:40.380 No.

00:04:41.140 She should know this going in.

00:04:42.220 This is the main question she's going to be asked.

00:04:43.740 But she doesn't want to be asked the main questions.

00:04:47.560 She just wants insinuation. 1.00

00:04:50.100 She just wants this vague sort of implication that Trump is doing all manner of terrible things.

00:04:55.800 Now, when you get clear on this question, it becomes obvious that he hasn't committed any crime worthy of impeachment.

00:05:02.760 But she wants the vagary, and Mark Meadows drills down, and she takes that moment.

00:05:08.520 Has the president committed any crimes?

00:05:10.900 Beat, beat, beat.

00:05:13.500 No.

00:05:15.020 Has the committed, has the president received any, or committed any other crimes?

00:05:19.740 Beat, beat, beat.

00:05:20.600 No.

00:05:23.260 So, you watch that testimony, you say it's kind of a flop, right?

00:05:26.760 Then we turn to Fox News' Chris Wallace.

00:05:28.640 Chris Wallace, who I believe is a registered Democrat.

00:05:31.180 He's one of the more left-leaning, it would appear, voices at that network.

00:05:36.280 Chris Wallace, I guess he was watching a different clip because he was absolutely blown away by the testimony of Marie Ivanovich.

00:05:42.900 I think that if you are not moved, and we'll have to wait and see what happens in the cross-examination, but if you are not moved by the testimony of Marie Ivanovich today, you don't have a pulse.

00:05:54.800 This is a woman who had served in seven posts for presidents of both parties over more than 30 years.

00:06:01.420 So, I'm just checking here, got my two fingers on my wrist.

00:06:04.900 I definitely have a pulse, and I definitely was not moved.

00:06:08.240 That's actually not fair.

00:06:09.460 I was moved by the testimony of Marie Ivanovich, but I was not moved to feel that we need to throw this president out of office.

00:06:18.680 I was not moved with great sympathy and empathy and compassion for career bureaucrats.

00:06:25.760 I was not moved at all.

00:06:26.620 I was moved to fury that we are prioritizing the entrenched federal bureaucracy over the decision of the American people in 2016 to elect Donald Trump president, because that is really what this is all about.

00:06:43.280 You heard her answer to Mark Meadows.

00:06:44.740 She doesn't have any evidence of a crime that Trump committed.

00:06:47.100 So, what is she doing there?

00:06:48.440 What is she so upset about?

00:06:49.820 What she's upset about is that President Trump ran in 2016 on hollowing out that federal bureaucracy, draining the swamp, to use his words, prioritizing the democratic desires of the American people over the liberal consensus that's ossified, that's unaccountable to anybody outside of Washington, D.C.

00:07:08.380 She's upset that he's going after those D.C. entrenched interests, and they're going to try to throw him out of office for it.

00:07:14.500 Here she is.

00:07:14.940 The State Department is being hollowed out from within at a competitive and complex time on the world stage.

00:07:22.100 This is not a time to undercut our diplomats.

00:07:26.260 That sounds like one of the greatest pitches for Trump 2020 I've ever heard of.

00:07:30.840 The State Department is being hollowed out from within.

00:07:33.340 Good.

00:07:33.860 I'm glad the State Department is being hollowed out from within.

00:07:36.640 I don't like how much power the State Department has.

00:07:38.920 I don't like how independent the State Department has become and how unmoored it has become from the wishes of the American people and from the executive.

00:07:48.140 They are there to serve the executive.

00:07:50.460 They are there to carry out his policies, not the other way around.

00:07:54.440 We've gotten into a situation in this country where the tail is wagging the dog, where presidents come and go, but the State Department, in particular, is the image of the entrenched bureaucracy, never, ever changes.

00:08:05.680 I do not care about Marie Yovanovitch.

00:08:08.920 I do not care what she wants.

00:08:10.940 I do not care how she feels that foreign policy should be conducted when that interferes with how the president wants foreign policy to be conducted.

00:08:18.860 I don't care that the State Department now has to be more accountable to the American people.

00:08:23.960 I don't care that they're upset about that.

00:08:25.220 I'm very pleased to hear that that is happening.

00:08:28.440 Yovanovitch puts all of her cards on the table, right?

00:08:31.900 She says, this is about Trump going after the deep state or the federal bureaucracy or whatever you want to call it.

00:08:39.400 She goes on.

00:08:40.720 It is the responsibility of the department's leaders to stand up for the institution and the individuals who make that institution still today the most effective diplomatic force in the world.

00:08:51.520 And Congress has a responsibility to reinvest in our diplomacy.

00:08:55.900 That's an investment in our national security.

00:08:59.440 It's an investment in our future, in our children's future.

00:09:03.220 That is not the responsibility of the State Department.

00:09:08.180 She says the responsibility of the State Department is to defend the State Department.

00:09:12.480 B.S.

00:09:13.420 The responsibility of the State Department is to conduct American foreign policy at the pleasure of the president because we, we, the American people, do not exist to serve the State Department.

00:09:28.060 The State Department exists to serve us.

00:09:31.960 How do they serve us?

00:09:33.320 Through our Democratic and Republican mechanisms of government.

00:09:37.060 We elect the president.

00:09:39.140 She's appearing before the House.

00:09:41.200 We elect members of the House.

00:09:44.580 She serves us.

00:09:46.240 But they don't think that way at the State Department.

00:09:48.520 They believe if you go into the Foreign Service and you've served there for your whole career and then you end up in some higher-up diplomatic post,

00:09:56.480 it tends to be the case that these guys believe that they have no responsibility to the American people.

00:10:02.580 They know what's best.

00:10:03.740 Marie Yovanovitch knows what's best.

00:10:05.340 What does Donald Trump know?

00:10:06.620 What do the American people who elected him know?

00:10:09.520 It's outrageous that he's contradicting us.

00:10:12.600 Us, the wonderful federal bureaucrats.

00:10:15.000 He's contradicting us on foreign policy, so that guy's got to go.

00:10:17.920 And that's what this whole thing is about.

00:10:19.720 This has nothing to do with a phone call with Ukraine.

00:10:22.120 This has nothing to do with an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden.

00:10:26.000 There should be an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden.

00:10:27.980 But that's not what this is about.

00:10:30.260 This has nothing to do with President Trump's alleged corruption and the oversight responsibilities of Congress or the Constitution or high crimes and misdemeanors.

00:10:40.100 The high crime that President Trump has committed here is hurting the feelings of federal bureaucrats.

00:10:44.860 That's not a crime.

00:10:46.020 That's not an impeachable offense.

00:10:47.240 Actually, every so often, it's an important thing to do to remind those bureaucrats and to remind those lifelong State Department employees that they do not have a mandate by birth to run our government for us.

00:11:02.820 They don't.

00:11:03.740 We still run our government.

00:11:05.360 Maybe we do.

00:11:06.220 I mean, that's so much of what the last three years has been about.

00:11:08.860 It's what the 2016 campaign was about.

00:11:11.640 And it appears that's what the 2020 campaign is going to be about.

00:11:14.940 Do the American people still have a right to govern ourselves?

00:11:19.980 Or are we going to chip away at our sovereignty, our sovereignty as a people?

00:11:23.940 And are we going to give it to a distant capital in Washington, D.C.?

00:11:27.380 And are we going to give it to entrenched federal interests?

00:11:30.420 And are we going to give it abroad?

00:11:31.740 Are we going to give it to international and supranational institutions like the IMF or the WTO or the European Union or the United Nations?

00:11:41.540 All of these institutions that exist to take power away from the people of independent nations.

00:11:47.620 That's how when people are discussing nationalism, the best version of that conversation is about how to keep our national liberty as a people.

00:11:58.080 We are supposed to be a self-governing republic.

00:12:01.140 We are not living in a technocratic dictatorship run by these lifelong federal employees.

00:12:10.100 That's not where we are.

00:12:11.280 Maybe that's what Yovanovitch wants.

00:12:13.040 Maybe that's what Chris Wallace wants.

00:12:14.320 I don't know.

00:12:14.620 I'm not putting words in his mouth.

00:12:16.320 But I think when the American people look at that testimony, their jaws drop open.

00:12:20.680 And they say, what on earth are they doing?

00:12:24.060 What is this all about?

00:12:25.020 You're going to throw out Trump even though this woman has no information about any crime he's committed.

00:12:31.880 You're going to throw out Trump because he hurt her feelings.

00:12:33.660 Meanwhile, you cut to Chris Wallace and he says, if your heart didn't break for that woman, you don't have a pulse.

00:12:42.840 That is such a removed opinion.

00:12:45.860 That is such an opinion of people in Washington, D.C. and nobody else.

00:12:52.240 And even Democrats are waking up to this, by the way.

00:12:54.520 It's not just Republicans.

00:12:55.820 So far, this is an absolutely partisan impeachment, which presents challenges of its own.

00:13:01.540 But there are not going to be Republicans who throw him out.

00:13:04.960 The one Republican who wants to throw President Trump out has left the Republican Party.

00:13:08.900 That's just an amosh. 0.73

00:13:10.380 The rest of them are not going to do it.

00:13:12.920 So you're going to have the Democratic Party go in.

00:13:16.620 They're still upset that they lost the 2016 election.

00:13:19.200 They're going to try to overturn that election.

00:13:21.140 Even some Democrats are breaking rank.

00:13:22.740 There's a Democratic representative, Jeff Van Drew, who is throwing cold water on impeachment.

00:13:28.360 Here he is.

00:13:29.000 Congressman Van Drew, you've had such courage and leadership since you took the job in Congress.

00:13:34.140 You are also one of two who have voted against this increase to begin with.

00:13:39.120 Why?

00:13:39.360 I just think we're keep going down this road, keep spending more time.

00:13:44.580 You know, many of us came to Congress because we really wanted to accomplish goals, really work on issues such as health care, work on issues dealing with prescription drugs, election security, the debt, the deficit.

00:13:58.160 You know, the list goes on.

00:13:59.280 And I can speak on and on about all the things that we need to do.

00:14:02.740 And I just don't think we're hearing anything new.

00:14:06.920 And real quickly, we must important must understand the importance and the level of what impeachment is.

00:14:14.240 Hundreds of years of history.

00:14:16.280 No one has ever been convicted of impeachment.

00:14:19.280 And that's the point.

00:14:20.580 We're going to have an election next year.

00:14:22.300 Yeah.

00:14:22.500 Let's have the election.

00:14:23.700 Let's fight through the election.

00:14:25.220 Let's do what Republicans and Democrats and whomever else does.

00:14:28.720 But this is going to get us nowhere.

00:14:30.260 We've spent millions of dollars, in my opinion.

00:14:33.260 Tons of money.

00:14:34.120 Tons of time.

00:14:35.260 Tons of hurt.

00:14:36.080 Fraction the nation apart.

00:14:37.760 I haven't seen this to be a good thing.

00:14:40.220 So Jeff Van Drew is right about this.

00:14:42.400 The impeachment is pulling the nation apart.

00:14:44.140 And the historical example is really important here because, especially in recent years, we've heard impeachment bandied about so much that we think it's a normal,

00:14:52.500 thing, it's not.

00:14:54.040 It's not normal to impeach the president.

00:14:56.240 In fact, we have never once in this nation's history removed a president from office through the mechanism of impeachment.

00:15:05.260 We had Andrew Johnson, who was impeached and then acquitted in the Senate.

00:15:11.140 Then you wait more than 100 years and you get to Richard Nixon.

00:15:15.580 Democrats also were upset that he won that election in a landslide, so they sought to overturn it.

00:15:20.120 They made moves to impeach Richard Nixon and he resigned before it could happen.

00:15:25.220 Then you get to Bill Clinton.

00:15:26.560 Bill Clinton was impeached but acquitted.

00:15:29.820 And then you get, during the Obama administration, John Boehner said that he was never going to impeach Barack Obama.

00:15:36.940 And then you get to Donald Trump and they've tried to impeach him since before he took office.

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00:18:04.580 Senate Democrats actually tried to impeach him and set the stage for impeachment before he took office.

00:18:10.480 Shortly after he took office, Representative Al Green, that's the congressman, not the musician, filed a resolution to impeach President Trump.

00:18:18.440 For what?

00:18:18.920 Nobody has any idea.

00:18:19.900 That one failed initially.

00:18:21.640 Then they went after Russia collusion.

00:18:23.160 Then it was Stormy Daniels.

00:18:24.300 Then it was taxes.

00:18:25.180 Then it was, I don't know.

00:18:26.320 They didn't like the cut of his jib.

00:18:27.620 And now they're trying to oust him over Ukraine.

00:18:30.800 And it is tearing the nation apart.

00:18:32.960 You don't need to just take my word for it or Jeff Andrews' word for it.

00:18:36.260 Even Barack Obama has implied as much.

00:18:40.120 Even as we push the envelope and we are bold in our vision, we also have to be rooted in reality.

00:18:50.060 And the fact that voters, including Democratic voters and certainly persuadable independents or even moderate Republicans, are not driven by the same views that are reflected on certain, you know, left-leaning putter foods.

00:19:18.480 Or the activist wing of our party.

00:19:25.640 This is still a country that is less revolutionary than it is interested in improvement.

00:19:36.900 They like seeing things improve.

00:19:39.160 But the average American doesn't think that we have to completely tear down the system and remake it.

00:19:45.060 And I think it's important for us not to lose sight of that.

00:19:49.920 So that was Obama at an ostensibly closed-door liberal fundraiser dinner.

00:19:54.900 Obviously, it wasn't that closed-door.

00:19:56.460 What he said is pretty insightful at the end, which is most Americans don't want a revolution.

00:20:03.040 They don't want to tear down the system.

00:20:05.080 He's urging caution because he thinks, like the Democratic congressman Jeff Van Drew thinks, like others believe, like Nancy Pelosi thought for two years, that impeachment ultimately will hurt Democrats because it's an overreach.

00:20:18.020 But when Obama says most Americans don't want to tear down the system, you've got to ask yourself what system they're talking about.

00:20:25.300 It's true.

00:20:26.380 Most, I mean, this is backed up by polls.

00:20:28.060 We'll get to it in a second.

00:20:28.860 Most Americans think this impeachment is BS.

00:20:33.340 However, it's not as though we just have the system of American government and anarchy.

00:20:38.580 Those are not the two decisions.

00:20:40.460 Those are not the alternatives.

00:20:41.840 We actually have two competing systems.

00:20:43.900 We have the system of American government, the Constitution, and the separation of powers, and elections, and power to the people.

00:20:51.000 We've got that.

00:20:52.260 And then we have the entrenched interests of the permanent bureaucracy that want to run the government elections be damned.

00:21:00.220 That's represented by Marie Ivanovich in her testimony on the Hill.

00:21:04.160 Those are two irreconcilable systems.

00:21:06.460 One of them is going to win out, you know, Bill Kristol, who is the, I guess, formerly conservative commentator in the era of Trump.

00:21:15.020 He's become a little more eccentric in his political views.

00:21:18.300 A guy I really actually like personally.

00:21:20.620 He was a teacher of mine.

00:21:21.820 But politically now, he's really going off the deep end, you would say.

00:21:27.220 When Trump got elected, he sent out a telling tweet.

00:21:30.680 He said, between the Trump state and the deep state, I choose the deep state.

00:21:38.100 And in fairness to him, he said, I'd rather choose neither.

00:21:41.000 But between the Trump state and the deep state, I choose the deep state.

00:21:44.360 Those are the two systems.

00:21:45.400 That's the battle line that is being drawn here.

00:21:47.780 When you see people go on television and say, oh, the poor bureaucrats, oh, the poor lifelong federal agents, we, my heart bleeds for them.

00:21:58.520 I'm crying for those people in Washington, D.C.

00:22:03.560 You realize they've made a decision.

00:22:05.940 They are defending the deep state, the bureaucracy, use whatever term you want.

00:22:10.640 And the American people do not want that.

00:22:13.540 If they're going to tear down any system, they want to tear down that system that's so entrenched that it takes away power from them.

00:22:19.280 And they support our actual system of government, or at least our old system of government, the Constitution and elections.

00:22:27.560 And you might hate Donald Trump.

00:22:29.960 But between the Trump state and the deep state, you've got to choose the Trump state.

00:22:34.200 Because what you're really saying is between our tradition of government, our Constitution, and an entrenched bureaucracy that has no accountability.

00:22:43.100 You've got to choose your own self-government.

00:22:45.640 If not, what are we even fighting for in these political games in America?

00:22:51.720 This is all reflected in polls.

00:22:53.400 There's a new Reuters-Ipsos poll that's out.

00:22:55.560 Do you know what percentage of people are actually paying attention to impeachment?

00:22:59.960 If you were to look at the cable news networks, if you were to look at the chattering class in Washington, D.C., 0.96

00:23:06.000 you would imagine that everybody is glued to their screens watching impeachment.

00:23:09.500 Actually, among independents, so not the hardline partisans, among independents,

00:23:15.960 36% of independents said they have not watched, read, or heard anything about impeachment.

00:23:25.240 A full 36% of independents have no idea that this thing is even going on.

00:23:30.060 Then when you look at the 64% of independents who have paid any attention to it,

00:23:34.580 do you know what percentage have actually watched the impeachment hearings?

00:23:40.100 19%.

00:23:40.500 19%.

00:23:42.660 Less than one in five independents is even watching any of this thing.

00:23:47.480 Then 17% said they watched or listened to news summaries.

00:23:50.780 That's what the fancy people on TV and the coats and ties, that's what the Democrats,

00:23:54.660 that's what the left is banking on,

00:23:56.480 because they don't want to actually see Marie Yovanovitch say,

00:23:59.320 I've got no evidence of a crime.

00:24:00.460 They don't want to actually see Bill Taylor say, yeah, I don't have any evidence of a quid pro quo,

00:24:06.060 because if you see that, you realize what total BS this is.

00:24:08.580 So instead what you want is people in suits and ties on TV who have a political agenda saying,

00:24:13.420 this is bombshell, this is devastating, our heart breaks for these federal bureaucrats.

00:24:18.940 Then, so you got 19% actually watched it, 17% say they watched or listened to news summaries.

00:24:25.460 30% said they read or listened to news summaries.

00:24:30.980 So not watching, but reading.

00:24:32.880 So the poll shows a huge number of independents don't know anything about what is going on,

00:24:40.460 and they are not that engaged.

00:24:41.860 Among Democrats, obviously, the engagement is much higher.

00:24:45.100 35% are watching and listening to the hearing compared to only 26% of Republicans.

00:24:51.540 This is not just a partisan event in the House.

00:24:54.160 This is a partisan event in the country.

00:24:58.160 And it gets even more crooked the more you look into it,

00:25:01.260 because the whole thing was kicked off by that so-called whistleblower,

00:25:04.520 allegedly named Eric Charamella, according to RealClear Investigations.

00:25:08.220 He's another one who's a career bureaucrat.

00:25:11.300 He worked at the CIA.

00:25:12.340 Then he worked for Joe Biden on Ukraine while Biden was engaging in corrupt-looking schemes in Ukraine.

00:25:17.780 And he worked for John Brennan.

00:25:19.120 He just opposed Donald Trump.

00:25:20.720 The intelligence community inspector general said there were three clear pieces of evidence that he had political bias against Trump.

00:25:27.680 Eric Charamella now, it turns out, is, drumroll please, connected to George Soros, left-wing megadonor.

00:25:35.600 So this is a new report that's just out.

00:25:38.360 Apparently, because emails have been released about Ukraine policy from a top director at George Soros' Open Society Foundation,

00:25:47.560 we find out that Charamella, the alleged whistleblower, was in contact alongside a number of other Obama administration foreign policy officials with George Soros' guys.

00:25:57.880 They were involved about hearing about George Soros' whereabouts, about George Soros' private meetings about Ukraine,

00:26:04.900 and they were hearing about a future meeting that the billionaire left-wing activist George Soros was planning to hold with the prime minister of Ukraine.

00:26:13.540 This was not going through Organizing for America, the Obama campaign wing.

00:26:18.860 This was going through the foreign policy apparatus and through Charamella, who was a CIA guy who was then working on Ukraine for Biden.

00:26:28.160 Jeff Goldstein, senior policy analyst for Eurasia at Soros' Open Society Foundation,

00:26:33.160 He sent an email in June of 2016 to Eric Charamella, and he cc'd other State Department officials who were also involved in European affairs,

00:26:43.460 including a man named Alexander Kasanoff, who was working at the U.S. Embassy in Kiev.

00:26:50.020 This looks more rotten the more we get into it.

00:26:52.940 And by the way, the whole defense of President Trump on the asking for Ukraine to investigate corruption was that there was pretty bizarre interaction going on

00:27:05.480 between the Obama administration and the federal bureaucracy, the intelligence community, and Ukraine in 2016.

00:27:13.360 Well, it looks like we have evidence of that, and we have evidence of that from the most cartoonishly villainous left-wing activist in the country, George Soros.

00:27:22.100 That is what's going on.

00:27:23.540 And this relates, by the way, this decision that we've got to make between the Trump state and the deep state,

00:27:28.940 between our Constitution and the entrenched bureaucracy.

00:27:31.800 This doesn't just have to do with Ukraine or impeachment.

00:27:35.160 This goes to so many other issues.

00:27:36.860 A major one, you're going to see so many headlines over the next few days,

00:27:40.200 is that President Trump granted clemency to U.S. troops who were involved in controversial war crime cases.

00:27:47.140 Now, the way you're going to see this reported in the news is Trump makes excuses for war crimes.

00:27:53.420 Trump defends war crimes.

00:27:54.760 The reality, much more complicated than that.

00:27:57.320 Three guys, Army First Lieutenant Clint Lawrence, was convicted of second-degree murder and the death of three Afghans.

00:28:05.780 This is within the past few years.

00:28:07.420 Army Major Matthew Goldstein faced murder charges next year for what was being reported as a similar crime.

00:28:15.280 What he actually did was allegedly murdered a Taliban bomb maker and then burned his remains in a trash pit,

00:28:22.720 which to me means he should win an Olympic medal, not be brought up for war crimes.

00:28:27.960 And then the third guy, Special Warfare Operator Chief Edward Gallagher,

00:28:32.120 who earlier this fall was actually acquitted of a string of alleged war crimes,

00:28:36.620 and he had his rank restored by the president of Chief Petty Officer.

00:28:40.600 These three guys, what does this show?

00:28:42.960 What is this about? Why is Trump granting clemency to these guys?

00:28:46.300 Well, as you see in the case of Edward Gallagher, we don't know exactly what they committed.

00:28:53.020 We don't know that this actually rose to the level of a war crime as it's being reported in the press.

00:28:58.900 In the case of Gallagher, he was acquitted.

00:29:00.920 But what about these other guys, Lawrence and Goldstein?

00:29:03.780 Let's say that Goldstein did what they accused him of doing, that a Taliban bomb maker was released,

00:29:11.180 he got out, and Goldstein was so furious about this that he killed him, Taliban bomb maker.

00:29:18.320 Is this the sort of thing that ought to be encouraged?

00:29:20.760 Probably not.

00:29:21.740 Do we want vigilantism in the military?

00:29:24.520 We want vigilance, but I guess we don't want vigilantism.

00:29:27.720 But when you send a guy into a war zone to go kill the Taliban, 0.71

00:29:34.280 and then he kills a Taliban bomb maker, he shouldn't have his life ruined for that.

00:29:37.740 And what this really is about is Trump applying the same rules of self-governance

00:29:44.060 to the military that he's applying to the State Department and the bureaucracy.

00:29:48.180 Trump thinks, it seems, that the military has become an experiment ground for bureaucrats and sociologists in D.C.

00:29:57.080 I mean, you saw this with the Obama administration.

00:29:59.620 The Obama administration decided that they were going to allow people who are men,

00:30:04.460 who identify as women, to serve in the military.

00:30:06.900 These are people, obviously, with pretty serious psychiatric conditions,

00:30:09.680 who create all sorts of social challenges for the military,

00:30:13.680 because you don't know exactly where to put them.

00:30:15.480 It would appear that that does not help military readiness, fitness to fight,

00:30:20.560 which is the purpose of the United States military.

00:30:22.320 But it doesn't matter, because for left-wing activists,

00:30:24.700 the military is nothing more than a social experiment.

00:30:28.040 Trump, it would appear, thinks that the military has become over-regulated, over-lawyered.

00:30:32.340 He thinks that there has become mission drift.

00:30:34.720 And I think he's right.

00:30:37.120 I think it's pretty clear that much of the Trump campaign

00:30:41.960 was running against this kind of nebulous, bureaucratic, technocratic malaise,

00:30:47.400 even on the use of the military.

00:30:49.160 If you're going to use the military, send them in to accomplish a goal 0.89

00:30:53.020 and then get them out of there. That's his view.

00:30:54.940 The kind of liberal consensus view, the permanent state view,

00:30:58.700 is just have the military everywhere, all over the world,

00:31:02.100 kind of doing, I don't know what,

00:31:04.180 basically just administering a large global empire.

00:31:07.720 Those are two different views of the country.

00:31:11.400 And Trump is going in there and saying,

00:31:12.660 we are rejecting that.

00:31:14.020 We are going to have a strong American nation.

00:31:15.720 And we're not going to let you regulate our military into the ground.

00:31:20.760 It's a controversial decision.

00:31:22.520 It's a gutsy decision.

00:31:23.660 There are good arguments on both sides of this.

00:31:25.920 But the way to make sense of it is to see how it fits into his broader vision.

00:31:30.920 And it does very clearly.

00:31:33.000 I have got to get to Kanye West.

00:31:36.040 Kanye West headed to, I think, the largest megachurch in America,

00:31:40.660 Joel Osteen's Lakewood Church.

00:31:42.720 And I think this is a great thing.

00:31:45.120 Kanye's catching some flack for it.

00:31:46.320 I think it's wonderful that Kanye West will spread the gospel to Joel Osteen.

00:31:50.080 We will take a look at that.

00:31:51.540 Speaking of the Bible and religion,

00:31:54.640 we will get to Pope Francis's ideas of ecological sin.

00:31:58.920 And then Pete Buttigieg is surging in the race.

00:32:04.180 He's up nine points in Iowa.

00:32:06.260 I'm getting texts from Joe Biden's campaign manager.

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00:32:28.100 We'll be right back with a lot more.

00:32:29.140 Kanye West is spreading the gospel message to the pastor of one of the largest churches in America.

00:32:46.920 I think this is a great thing.

00:32:49.300 It's Joel Osteen.

00:32:50.160 Now, I have been accused of being uncharitable toward Joel Osteen.

00:32:55.220 Joel Osteen, if you don't know him, he's that really smiley guy who goes on TV and speaks in sort of vaguely Christian language,

00:33:01.160 but he doesn't talk about Jesus particularly much.

00:33:03.800 Joel Osteen gets lumped in with what is called the prosperity gospel,

00:33:08.060 which is a very pernicious heresy that transforms the true gospel into a sort of feel-good life coaching,

00:33:14.760 be a good person, talk to God, and you'll make a lot of money.

00:33:17.380 Here is Joel Osteen and his wife.

00:33:20.620 Here are the Osteens preaching the prosperity gospel, just to give you some context.

00:33:25.500 I am blessed.

00:33:26.860 I am strong.

00:33:28.160 I am talented.

00:33:29.580 I am disciplined.

00:33:30.700 I am focused.

00:33:32.020 I am prosperous.

00:33:33.280 When we obey God, we're not doing it for God.

00:33:36.440 I mean, that's one way to look at it.

00:33:38.160 We're doing it for ourselves because God takes pleasure when we're happy.

00:33:42.840 That's the thing that gives him the greatest joy this morning.

00:33:45.200 So I want you to know this morning, just do good for your own self.

00:33:50.860 Do good because God wants you to be happy.

00:33:53.260 When you come to church, when you worship him, you're not doing it for God, really.

00:33:57.580 You're doing it for yourself because that's what makes God happy.

00:34:01.500 Amen.

00:34:02.060 I want you to get a bigger vision.

00:34:05.240 There are exciting things in your future.

00:34:08.480 Your future is filled with marked moments of blessing, increase, promotion.

00:34:13.760 God has already ordained before the foundation of the world, the right people, the right opportunity,

00:34:20.680 time and chance are coming together for you.

00:34:23.200 Why don't you get your hopes up?

00:34:25.100 Why don't you start believing that no matter what you have or haven't done, that your best

00:34:29.600 days are still out in front of you?

00:34:31.040 What Joel Osteen talks about is, I am really good.

00:34:34.840 I am really great.

00:34:35.820 Your best life now.

00:34:37.240 You are meant to have a really great life here on earth.

00:34:40.460 That is not the message of the gospel.

00:34:42.620 The message of the gospel is pick up your cross and bear it if you would follow me.

00:34:46.880 The message of the gospel is the martyrs who give their lives for Christ.

00:34:51.960 He who seeks his life will lose it.

00:34:54.020 But he who loses his life for me will have his life abundantly and forever.

00:34:58.800 That's the message of the gospel.

00:35:00.080 It's not the prosperity gospel.

00:35:02.160 And so the fact that Kanye West is going to this church, I think, is a great thing.

00:35:05.820 I mean, I am joking a little bit that one of the most famous rappers in the world is

00:35:10.320 going to share Christianity to Joel Osteen.

00:35:12.980 But I mean it, too.

00:35:13.820 I listened to all of Kanye's album.

00:35:15.720 I listened to it twice.

00:35:16.580 And I couldn't find very much wrong with it, with one small exception.

00:35:21.660 I found it to be theologically sound.

00:35:24.200 And Kanye went and gave his Christian testimony at this church.

00:35:28.940 And it rang very sincere.

00:35:31.440 And I remember sitting in the hospital at UCLA after having a mental breakdown.

00:35:36.760 And there's documentations of me drawing a church and saying, writing, start a church

00:35:43.780 in the middle of Calabasas.

00:35:45.480 And even after that, I went and made the Life of Pablo album.

00:35:50.760 I said, this is a gospel album.

00:35:52.760 And I didn't know how to totally make a gospel album.

00:35:55.880 And the Christians that were around were too, I would say, beaten into submission by society

00:36:02.280 to not speak up and profess the gospel to, you know, to me because I was a superstar.

00:36:10.960 So, but the only superstar is Jesus.

00:36:14.120 I love that line.

00:36:15.380 It's so simple, but it's such a great line.

00:36:17.360 Yeah, I was a superstar, but the only superstar is Jesus.

00:36:19.940 This reminds me of this woman who I just saw the other night at the live action gala in

00:36:24.300 DC, woman, Jonna Jessen, who survived an abortion.

00:36:28.240 And so she's got a lot of physical problems as a result of this attempt to kill her when 0.97

00:36:32.540 she was still in the womb.

00:36:33.660 And she gets up there to accept her award and give her speech.

00:36:36.300 The speech was very simple.

00:36:37.320 She said, it's all about Jesus.

00:36:38.840 It's not that complicated.

00:36:40.500 It's about Jesus.

00:36:41.080 Jesus saved my life.

00:36:42.260 Jesus is the sum total of my life.

00:36:44.560 And you all should believe in Jesus.

00:36:46.020 And that's more or less what Kanye is saying.

00:36:48.200 Kanye West conveyed more gospel in his one day at Lakewood Church than many, many, many

00:36:55.000 televangelists have ever given out in their entire lives and conveyed throughout their entire

00:37:01.260 careers.

00:37:01.760 And Kanye talks about what that means, what it's meant for his career.

00:37:07.780 And he goes on.

00:37:10.040 And to me, it all sounds urgent and sincere.

00:37:14.080 When I'm in California, when I'm in Vegas, they got posters up advertising, you know, sex

00:37:20.100 trafficking.

00:37:21.180 Because if there's an advertisement for a strip club, that is advertising sex trafficking.

00:37:25.440 Because at the end of the night, when they close up, the manager says, how much traffic

00:37:30.080 do we have?

00:37:33.780 So if it's a man that's going through things with his family or going through things at

00:37:38.900 work and he feels he has to go there, we all end up participating, whether it's the spirits

00:37:45.080 that get advertised to us all the time.

00:37:48.020 Alcohol is, they call it a spirit.

00:37:52.180 So we get constant advertisement for spirits.

00:37:56.060 We get constant advertisement for strip clubs and other things like that.

00:37:59.220 But then we bring up the name of Jesus.

00:38:01.340 We're told to be quiet, quiet that down.

00:38:05.360 So even for someone who's professing God and saying, this is going to be a gospel album,

00:38:11.740 the devil is going to come and do everything he can to distract people from knowing how to

00:38:18.560 fully be in service to the Lord.

00:38:22.400 That is profound and insightful from beginning to end.

00:38:27.680 I mean, I joke with sweet little Elisa now when we drive and see billboards in Hollywood

00:38:31.660 that they get so racy that they're not even titillating.

00:38:37.660 They're not even sexy.

00:38:38.700 They're just absurd.

00:38:40.840 They're grotesque almost.

00:38:42.840 I mean, pretty soon every billboard is just going to be flesh.

00:38:46.560 It's not going to be particularly attractive or alluring.

00:38:49.460 That's the direction it's trending in for Kanye to recognize the pun of spirits, that

00:38:54.360 spirits, right, are opening yourself up to certain spirits perhaps, that there is a

00:38:59.660 spiritual world in the first place.

00:39:02.300 I mean, transgenderism, so much of the ideology of transgenderism is about trying to come to

00:39:08.140 grips with the fact that we all know there is a metaphysical reality.

00:39:11.480 We are not just clumps of cells.

00:39:12.880 We are not just flesh and bones.

00:39:14.100 We are more than our bodies.

00:39:16.960 And yet, because the world has told us for the past hundred years that nothing exists

00:39:22.800 outside of material, the people who have gender dysphoria don't know how to make sense of that.

00:39:27.620 But speaking of transgenderism, what Kanye is saying is you could go to any public library

00:39:32.720 in America, just about, and you could say, I want to have a drag queen story hour, and 0.82

00:39:36.960 that would be basically uncontroversial.

00:39:39.220 But if you came into those libraries and said, I want to have a Bible study, I want to have

00:39:44.520 a prayer circle, that would be controversial.

00:39:47.760 If you went into an elementary school, I'll give you a more clear example.

00:39:52.640 If you went into an elementary school and said, we're going to have sex education in kindergarten 0.94

00:39:56.400 and talk about transgenderism and how boys can be girls and girls can be boys, and maybe

00:40:01.200 we'll bring in a transgender individual to spread this ideology, that would be uncontroversial, 0.95

00:40:07.300 at least among the administrators.

00:40:09.340 In fact, the only controversy would be if you said no to that.

00:40:13.280 It would be all wall-to-wall mainstream media news.

00:40:16.900 But if you went into that same school and said, I want there to be a prayer circle and a Bible

00:40:20.580 study, not only would that be controversial, not only would you be shut down, that would

00:40:26.460 be dubbed unconstitutional.

00:40:29.640 And that is the absurdity, right?

00:40:31.860 You can go in and spread an absurd ideology, a novel ideology that doesn't make any sense,

00:40:39.020 that boys can really be girls and girls can be boys, but only if you really think so.

00:40:41.760 And actually, there's 56 genders, and since I said that, there's actually a new one, so

00:40:45.380 it's 57 genders. 1.00

00:40:47.420 You can say that on the one hand.

00:40:48.920 You're encouraged to say that on the other hand.

00:40:50.460 But if you want to read the foundational work of Western civilization, the Bible, that

00:40:55.260 will be dubbed unconstitutional in schools.

00:40:59.300 It's hilarious.

00:41:00.520 It's unfortunate.

00:41:02.060 But if you took the suffering out of it, it would be absolutely hilarious.

00:41:04.700 And that is what Kanye is pointing out.

00:41:06.400 And he is saying there is spiritual warfare.

00:41:09.140 And that's what he's saying at this church, which is usually all smiles and good old life

00:41:13.900 advice and not really mentioning the name of Christ too much.

00:41:16.600 He's saying you have to give your life to Christ.

00:41:19.900 If you are a Christian, the center of your life is Christ.

00:41:22.500 And it reminds me of the St. Michael prayer.

00:41:24.220 The St. Michael prayer that Catholics pray says, St. Michael the archangel, defend us in

00:41:28.440 battle, be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil.

00:41:32.960 May God rebuke him, we humbly pray.

00:41:35.040 And do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan

00:41:40.140 and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls.

00:41:46.840 That is not feel good, happy, happy, you're going to make a lot of money kind of messaging.

00:41:50.660 But that is spiritual reality to Christians in the true Christian tradition.

00:41:55.580 And unbelievably, Kanye West is articulating it beautifully.

00:42:01.760 My MAGA hat goes off to him.

00:42:03.420 I tip him my MAGA hat.

00:42:05.360 Before we go, I got to talk about Pete Buttigieg.

00:42:07.340 Right now in Iowa, the Democratic race is being thrown completely on its head.

00:42:13.760 Joe Biden was supposed to be the leader of the primary.

00:42:18.100 That has been going away for a while now.

00:42:20.440 And Elizabeth Warren has been surging.

00:42:23.960 But Elizabeth Warren isn't the one who's up in Iowa.

00:42:26.100 Pete Buttigieg is now leading by nine points in Iowa.

00:42:31.800 I knew something was going on when I got a text on my phone from 3033030.

00:42:37.800 Here it is.

00:42:38.280 That's my personal line to Joe Biden.

00:42:40.520 And he texted.

00:42:42.940 I mean, obviously, this is from his campaign.

00:42:44.580 But the campaign texted.

00:42:45.660 It's Joe Biden's campaign manager, Greg.

00:42:47.800 Yesterday, we got a new poll in Iowa.

00:42:49.860 And honestly, it's not what we want to see.

00:42:53.020 Right now, we're tied for third in Iowa.

00:42:55.240 Losing Iowa doesn't mean we can't win.

00:42:57.400 But it makes winning the primary harder and more expensive.

00:43:02.040 It's not the sort of thing you want to be sending out, especially this far in advance.

00:43:06.360 That's the sort of thing you send out two weeks before the caucus to get your guys rallied up.

00:43:09.980 If you're sending out that kind of message this early, you are having some serious trouble.

00:43:14.060 So what happened?

00:43:14.640 What allowed Buttigieg to surge?

00:43:16.300 Buttigieg initially was doing pretty well running as this kind of moderate, nice, amiable guy.

00:43:22.580 Then he decided to run to the left and become Pastor Pete and tell Christians that they're not really Christians and say that if you're a real Christian, actually, you support abortion.

00:43:32.040 And just if you're a real Christian, actually, you support all the opposite of Christianity. 0.97

00:43:35.980 And it was just so annoying and gaslighting that he really started to lose traction.

00:43:42.900 His debate was, do I go for the Biden wing or do I go for the Bernie wing?

00:43:46.520 When he saw that Biden started to collapse, as his campaign manager just admitted, then he switched, swung back and went for the Biden wing.

00:43:55.880 And that has been working.

00:43:57.660 Since just September, Buttigieg has risen 16 percentage point among Iowa's likely Democratic caucus goers.

00:44:06.680 25 percent now say that he is their first choice for president.

00:44:11.560 He beats Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, Liz Warren, who are now all clustered around second place.

00:44:17.860 I mean, they're almost 10 points behind Buttigieg.

00:44:20.940 Now, in that last poll in September, Warren was up.

00:44:24.060 She was at the top.

00:44:24.700 She was at 22 percent.

00:44:25.900 Now, Liz Warren is down to 16 percent. 1.00

00:44:30.280 Great news for Pete Buttigieg.

00:44:31.500 It's actually backing up what Jeff Van Drew and Barack Obama, two Democrats, have been saying about this impeachment.

00:44:40.540 The American people do not want to rip down their system of government.

00:44:44.560 The American people do not want entrenched interests to overturn presidential elections.

00:44:50.220 The American people are not paying attention to this impeachment, and they don't want this kind of radicalism.

00:44:57.340 The Democrats know that.

00:44:58.560 They're trying to impeach Trump because they believe that if they don't impeach him, they won't – that the American people will reelect him.

00:45:04.780 That's what Representative Al Green said in 2017.

00:45:07.980 So they're trying to do it even right before an election year.

00:45:11.640 And I think the American people can see through this.

00:45:15.180 I think that's reflected in the polls.

00:45:16.320 I think even the Democratic Party can see through this.

00:45:19.300 And you're getting a surge from Buttigieg.

00:45:20.720 Now, the problem for Buttigieg is Iowa is great, and it will give him a lot of momentum going into the primary.

00:45:26.740 But he has virtually no black support.

00:45:29.600 And he's got some serious racial problems in his hometown where he's mayor, South Bend, Indiana.

00:45:34.160 There were some police brutality allegations.

00:45:36.280 And now he's actually got a new scandal involving racial politics, which is that Buttigieg has been falsely claiming to have endorsements from African-American leaders, to use the popular phrase, that just weren't true.

00:45:50.720 A lot of those people actually were white.

00:45:53.180 He then used a stock photo from Africa to depict African-Americans.

00:45:57.220 That's a little bit of a faux pas.

00:46:00.340 And he's just not gaining traction among black voters, and that's going to especially matter in South Carolina.

00:46:06.440 That is Joe Biden's firewall right now.

00:46:08.820 Biden is still doing very well in South Carolina.

00:46:11.080 South Carolina is a much blacker state than Iowa, that's for sure. 1.00

00:46:14.880 So you can't win the nomination for the Democratic Party without black voters, and if you're a Democrat, you can't win the general without black voters. 0.69

00:46:22.520 If Pete Buttigieg can figure out a way to get black voters to come over to his campaign, he will very likely be the strongest candidate in the race.

00:46:29.440 Before we go, I have to just read out an amazing tweet from President Trump.

00:46:34.600 This was really terrific.

00:46:35.880 You might have seen the headline over the weekend that Kim Jong-un of North Korea went for the jugular against Joe Biden.

00:46:45.480 Kim Jong-un said that Biden had, quote, the temerity to dare slander the dignity of the supreme leadership of the DPRK.

00:46:53.920 That's the official name of North Korea.

00:46:56.700 It is the last-ditch efforts of the rabid dog expediting his death.

00:47:02.160 It's about Joe Biden.

00:47:03.440 Rabid dogs like Biden can hurt lots of people if they are allowed to run out of control. 0.96

00:47:08.820 They must be beaten to death with a stick before it is too late.

00:47:12.860 That is not the Onion or the Babylon Bee.

00:47:14.720 That is the actual press release from North Korea.

00:47:17.300 And this comes after, in May, Kim Jong-un referred to Joe Biden as the, quote, fool of low IQ and a, quote, imbecile bereft of elementary quality as a human being.

00:47:31.940 Show me the lie.

00:47:32.880 Show me the lie.

00:47:33.760 No, that's not fair.

00:47:34.800 And even President Trump, who is always accused of siding with dictators over his domestic political adversaries, actually came out and defended Joe Biden in what I felt was a beautiful way.

00:47:44.760 He tweeted out, quote, Mr. Chairman, Joe Biden may be sleepy and very slow, but he is not a rabid dog.

00:47:52.000 He is actually somewhat better than that.

00:47:54.700 But I am the only one who can get you where you have to be.

00:47:57.980 You should act quickly.

00:47:59.400 Get the deal done.

00:48:00.520 See you soon.

00:48:01.180 This is the perfect rebuke to Kim Jong-un.

00:48:04.540 He's not really vociferously defending Joe Biden.

00:48:09.500 That would be disingenuous and uncalled for.

00:48:11.660 But he's also not letting this foreign dictator just absolutely annihilate the former vice president of the United States with his rhetoric.

00:48:20.060 He's hitting this middle ground and he's doing what he does best, which is tell a little joke about it, defend America, and try to advance his agenda.

00:48:28.880 That ultimately is much, much more appealing than a coup d'etat by federal bureaucrats conspiring with Democrats and leftist donors to overturn a presidential election because Trump is hurting the feelings of career bureaucrats.

00:48:44.360 That is not going to play in Peoria.

00:48:46.480 That's not going to play with the American people. 0.76

00:48:49.700 And you're seeing that reflected in the polls.

00:48:51.400 You're seeing the smart guys in the Democrats pushing the brakes.

00:48:53.920 But I don't think they can stop now.

00:48:55.980 They are so far gone.

00:48:57.920 Ultimately, though, the conservative consolation is that reality reasserts itself in the end.

00:49:03.480 We are seeing that competition between the imaginary fantasy world of the bureaucrats and the reality of the American electorate.

00:49:12.480 Well, that election is coming up fast and the American people are going to get their say once again.

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The Michael Knowles Show - November 18, 2019

Ep. 451 - Trump’s High Crime： Hurt Feelings

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