Ep. 453 - The Deep State Must Be Defeated
Summary
In the latest episode of The Michael Knowles Show, host Michael Kraychuck talks about the latest testimony from witnesses in the Trump impeachment hearings, and what they have to say about the Deep State. He also takes a look at what the deep state has to say.
Transcript
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An insufferable, power-hungry bureaucrat testifies before Congress.
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We examine the most nauseating highlights and get to the heart of this impeachment battle,
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which is not really about left versus right or Democrat versus Republican.
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It's about slavery versus freedom, technocratic tyranny versus constitutional self-government.
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If we want to keep our liberties, there's only one option.
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Then, the ACLU celebrates International Men's Day by tweeting about menstruation.
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The daughter of Britain's first gay dads explains why she's happy that her boyfriend is now dating her father.
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And the governor of South Dakota tells the nation that she's on meth.
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All that and more. I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.
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Let's get this out of the way first, because I don't want to harp for too long on impeachment.
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I do want to get the highlights out here, though.
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If you haven't been paying attention, and I know you haven't because nobody has been paying attention to this stupid impeachment battle,
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there were another two major witnesses yesterday, and there were another two witnesses that testified that Trump did not engage in a quid pro quo.
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So right now, Democrats are batting, what, 0 for 5?
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Conservatives in the Trump administration batting 1,000.
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The two people who testified yesterday were Kurt Volker and Tim Morrison.
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Kurt Volker is a diplomat, U.S. special representative for Ukraine.
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Before that, he was ambassador to NATO for Barack Obama, so this is a guy who's had a career in diplomacy.
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And Tim Morrison was the, or is the senior official on the NSC who was testifying.
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He was the boss of Lieutenant Colonel Vindman, who's going to play a big role in this testimony.
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Both of those guys admitted, clear as day, on television, for all the world to see if anybody were paying attention,
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that Trump did not engage in any quid pro quo or any bribery or any treason.
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Did Ukraine open an investigation into the abidance, Mr. Morrison?
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Did either of you ever have any evidence of quid pro quo, Mr. Morrison?
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Whatever headline you see today, and I know that you're going to see a lot of headlines in the New York Times and the Washington Post.
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Another two key star witnesses, Volker and Morrison.
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So, they admit in their testimony that Trump didn't commit any impeachable offense.
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Also, by the way, same day, Lieutenant General Keith Kellogg, who is Vice President Pence's National Security Advisor,
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he released a statement yesterday saying that he was on President Trump's phone call with Ukraine on July 25th.
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That was the call with Ukraine President Zelensky, and he said he heard nothing wrong.
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But that doesn't matter to the Democrats' favorite witness yesterday, a gentleman by the name of Lieutenant Colonel Vindman.
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We will get to him, not even what he has to say about impeachment, because he has nothing interesting to say about impeachment.
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What he has to say tells us everything about the deep state, which is really the heart of this impeachment battle.
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So, everything you need to know on the heart, the meat of whether Trump committed an impeachable offense, we already got to.
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Lieutenant Colonel Vindman, who has been talking to the lawyers and he's been talking to the whistleblower and he's been one of these operatives who's been trying to stir up impeachment the whole time.
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He's testifying before Congress and Representative Nunes begins to grill him, but Vindman won't have any of it.
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Vindman cuts him off and says, excuse me, Mr. Representative, you better use my proper military rank.
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Mr. Vindman, you testified in your deposition that you did not know the whistleblower.
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A rank member, it's Lieutenant Colonel Vindman, please.
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Lieutenant Colonel Vindman, you testified in the deposition that you did not know who the whistleblower was.
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First of all, I don't believe him for a second that he doesn't know who the whistleblower is.
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I think it's Eric Charamella, as was reported by Real Clear Investigations.
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And I especially think that guy knows who he is because that guy talked to him.
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Allegedly, reportedly, I have to catch all of my assertions here.
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By the way, in Congress, all of the congressmen are referred to as Representative.
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And yet, when you hear them speak to one another, it's always Mr. and Ms. and Mrs.
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I mean, no disrespect to the military when I say that.
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Actually, a number of very high-profile soldiers and sailors and SEALs and special operators
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called out Lieutenant Colonel Vindman on this and said it was ridiculous what he did.
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Tim Kennedy, active Green Beret Special Forces sniper, tweeted out, quote,
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Correcting a civilian about how to be addressed is a for-sure way to make everyone in the military
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think you are a, and then he uses a little profanity, which I'll refrain from here.
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But it's a hygiene product is what he's referring to.
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Mark Geist, who fought the Battle of Benghazi, said that Vindman is a disgrace.
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Robert O'Neill, who's a Navy SEAL credited with firing the shot that killed Osama bin Laden,
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said, quote, I wish the left wouldn't use his uniform to make him a saint.
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Jim Hansen, former U.S. Army Special Forces, said, quote,
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He corrects Devin Nunes, who called him Mr., with the prissy reply,
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He's right, but only a fat-faced loser hated by everyone in his unit acts like that.
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I mean, he is a Lieutenant Colonel, so, you know, thank you for your service,
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Lieutenant Colonel, and you deserve to be referred to by your military title.
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But I've got a lot of friends and family in the military.
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I mean, I just, I think of my grandfather, my, you know, Lieutenant Colonel Vindman is an 05.
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My grandfather was a captain in the Navy, 06, outranks Colonel Vindman, or Lieutenant Colonel Vindman.
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I've never heard him correct anybody who would refer to him as Mr. or anything else.
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It's so unbecoming, especially of an officer in the military.
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So anyway, that kind of sets you up with who this guy is.
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And even before he testified, we know that he's, he's one of the people at the heart of stirring up this whole impeachment controversy.
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Lieutenant Colonel Vindman disagreed with the president's policy on Ukraine.
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So instead of bringing up his concerns to his immediate superior, his boss on the NSC, instead of bringing his concerns up to the president, what Lieutenant Colonel Vindman decided to do is go around the constitutional order, go around the president of the United States, go around his own boss.
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Go straight to a lawyer and tee up this whole impeachment charade.
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And by the way, Morrison has made it clear he doesn't want to run down Vindman.
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He's, he's been very reticent in his testimony.
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But here is Morrison admitting while he's being grilled that Vindman went around him and stirred up this whole thing.
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You indicated in your deposition that when you took over the portfolio for Dr. Hill, July 15th, you were alerted to potential issues in Colonel Vindman's judgment.
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Did she relay anything specific to you, specifically to you?
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It was more of a overarching statement from her and her deputy, who became my deputy, that they had concerns about judgment.
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During the deposition, I asked you, Mr. Morrison, whether others raised the concern that Mr. Colonel Vindman may have leaked information.
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And I asked you whether you were concerned Colonel Vindman did not keep you in the loop at all times with his official duties?
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And in fact, when he went to the National Security Council lawyers following the July 25th call, he did not first come to you.
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So we know that Vindman, he had some problems with this policy and he went around everybody, went to a lawyer.
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There were concerns that were represented to Morrison, that this guy had bad judgment, that this guy was a leaker, that this guy was really abusing his office on the NSC.
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And what I actually love about this exchange is you can tell Morrison doesn't want to run the guy down because he's asked, were there, he actually is asked, did I ask you when we were, when you were testifying previously, if there were concerns that he was a leaker?
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And Morrison leans and he says, yes, you did ask me that.
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Like, well, okay, were there concerns that he was a leaker?
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He's being very cautious in his testimony, but the message is clear.
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He was undermining the policy of the president.
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Because as we're about to find out, Lieutenant Colonel Vindman didn't care about the policy of the president.
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He doesn't think it's the president who makes policy.
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Why didn't Lieutenant Colonel Vindman express his concerns to his boss?
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Vindman was the director of European affairs on the NSC.
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Jim Jordan, Republican congressman, as usual, nails him.
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I went immediately, per the instructions from the July 10th incident, I went immediately to Mr. Eisenberg.
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After that, once I made that, expressed my concerns, it was an extremely busy week.
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We had a PCC just finished, we had the call, and then we had a deputies meeting, which consumed all of my time.
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Oh yeah, is that right, Lieutenant Colonel Vindman?
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So the reason that you didn't go to your superiors and follow the chain of command here when you wanted to change U.S. policy single-handedly,
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the reason that you went to a lawyer instead but you didn't have time to go to your boss is because you were really busy that week?
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This is like a freshman in college who didn't finish his term paper on time making an excuse to his professor.
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You had time to gin up this whole conspiracy, this whole impeachment hoax, which we've heard is a hoax based on now, what, five major witnesses called forth by Adam Schiff to testify?
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So you had time to do that, but you didn't have time to go to your boss.
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You had time to talk to somebody, and it wasn't even just the lawyer.
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He also had time to talk to his boss, but he had time to talk to the lawyer, and he had time to talk to somebody else in the murky deep state intelligence community.
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So the lawyer, you not only didn't go to your boss, you said you tried, but you didn't go to your boss.
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You went straight to the lawyer, and the lawyer told you not to go to your boss?
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Why didn't you go to your direct report, Mr. Morrison?
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Your response was, this page 102, because Mr. Eisenberg had told me to take my concerns to him.
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Then I asked you, did Mr. Eisenberg tell you not to report, to go around Mr. Morrison?
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There's a period of time in there between when I spoke to him and when he circled back around.
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It wasn't that long a period of time, but it was enough time for me to...
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Enough time to go to talk to someone that you won't tell us who it is, right?
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I've been instructed not to, Representative Jordan.
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The lawyer told you don't talk to any other people, and you interpret that as not talking to your boss,
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but you talk to your brother, you talk to the lawyers, you talk to Secretary Kent,
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and you talk to the one guy, Adam Schiff won't tell you, won't let us, won't let you tell us who he is.
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I love they say, so Jim Jordan says, Lieutenant Colonel Vindman, the lawyer told you not to talk to your boss?
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He didn't tell me not to talk to my boss until he told me not to talk to my boss.
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And you didn't have time to talk to anybody, right?
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I didn't have time to talk to anybody other than your brother and other than the secretary
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and other than the whistleblower and other than all that.
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And obviously at this point, Vindman has nothing to say, so he just comes out and says,
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You know, what Vindman refers to so much throughout this mindless testimony is how he did go to the bureaucrats.
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The interagency, that's the term that keeps coming up.
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He did go to the federal bureaucracy, but he didn't go to his boss.
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However, the president, the elected guys, the American people versus the decisions of the interagency,
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the federal bureaucracy, the deep state, this guy, Vindman, is an operative with an agenda.
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How do we, let's put, not to put too fine a point on it,
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but let's see if this weasel can just finally come right out and say what he really wants to,
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which is that he believes it is the job of himself, the job of the interagency,
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the job of the entrenched bureaucracy to make policy,
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and it's not the job of the elected president of the United States.
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Is there a process to determine official U.S. policy?
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Yes, that is, my job is to coordinate U.S. policy.
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So throughout the preceding year that I had been on staff,
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I had undertaken an effort to make sure we had a cohesive, coherent U.S. policy.
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And as you listened to the call, did you observe whether President Trump
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was following the talking points based on the official U.S. policy?
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Counsel, the president could choose to use the talking points or not, he's the president,
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but they were not consistent with what I provided, yes.
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The temerity of that response, that response, by the way, is to the Democratic Council,
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the temerity of the Democratic Council asking if Lieutenant Colonel Vindman
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made sure that the president of the United States was following his talking points
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Just the question itself, the question itself basically boils down to who makes U.S. policy.
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You don't get to dictate to the president of the United States what the policy is,
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and you don't get to dictate to the president of the United States
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You should keep your mouth shut and do what the president of the United States tells you to do.
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And after that testimony, none of us really seemed to like Lieutenant Colonel Vindman.
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He's a power-hungry bureaucrat and a priss about it too.
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The interagency policy was to support security assistance for the Ukraine.
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Hey, you know what I think of the interagency policy when it comes into conflict with the
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He says, in my position, I coordinate with a superb cohort of interagency partners.
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How about you coordinate with the president of the United States and shut your mouth and
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He says, quote, I'm the point man for coordinating the interagency.
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I don't care who you are and I don't care what your title is.
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I don't care about you, Lieutenant Colonel Vindman.
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I care about the American people having control over their own government and you following
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He wants Representative Nunes to have more respect for his military title.
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How about Lieutenant Colonel Vindman show some respect to his civilian superiors, namely
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Devin Nunes, namely his boss on the National Security Council, namely the president of the
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In this country, the civilians run the show, not the military.
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I don't have a ton of respect for Vindman, but I have a lot of respect for the military.
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And by the way, most of my pals in the military know that in this country, the civilians run
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I got friends who've worked at the interagency.
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The good ones are the ones who know that the civilians run the show.
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In particular, the elected representatives, not some technocrat tyrants in the deep state.
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Okay, do you know who runs the show in this country?
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Not any of the punks like Eric Charamella, allegedly, who are shredding our constitution
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because they don't like that the American people elected the wrong candidate in 2016.
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This is not even about the left versus the right.
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This is not even about Democrat versus Republican.
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I mean, it is in so much as the left likes the entrenched bureaucracy a lot more than the
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But you know, Republicans like the bureaucracy sometimes too.
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If a Democratic president right now were threatening the technocratic status quo, you can bet that the
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This is a major threat because it actually transcends partisan differences and the partisan divide.
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And it gets right down to the heart of who we are.
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Are we going to be a country that's run by good experts with nice ties all well tied up and
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good looking jackets on who nobody elected them and they don't have any real powers designated
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in the constitution, but hey, they know better for us.
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So they're going to make U.S. policy and the president, he just better go along with it.
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And by the way, if he doesn't go along with it, we're going to throw him out of office and
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There's that possibility or there's self-government in our constitutional order.
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Obviously, people like Lieutenant Colonel Vidman have made their decision.
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I think we should probably make another decision.
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The only way that this is going to resolve itself is if the deep state is defeated.
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You just saw a major representative of it right now.
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The deep state does not want to voluntarily give up power because what the deep state thinks
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is that the electeds come and go, political winds change, but they are always going to be there.
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I actually like a lot of the agencies in the bureaucracy.
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I think they do some good work, but they have become far, far too powerful.
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And if they are going to try to take sovereignty, if they're going to try to take the control
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of making policy in the United States away from the American people, they must be defeated.
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You know, there was the line in ancient Rome, Carthago, Delenda Est, Carthage must be destroyed.
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The deep state, Delenda Est, it must be defeated if we are to preserve our self-government.
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Much more important than a corrupt bureaucracy trying to steal the government of the United
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States is a story that came out of Great Britain.
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The daughter of Britain's first gay dads says that she is now happy that her ex-boyfriend
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Try to, there are a lot of parts of this that you're going to have to try to work out in
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First of all, what it means to have Britain's first gay dads.
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These are two dads on the birth certificate of a daughter.
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Now, look, I'm no expert on biology or something.
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I know these things change every day now, but something would suggest to me that these two
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men cannot come together and produce a daughter.
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It seems like some strange gender ideology has entered here.
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But then, let's even just say you could do that.
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So this daughter somehow has two dads, that the daughter had a boyfriend and then she
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broke up with the boyfriend and the dads broke up with each other, so much for the happy ending
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And then one of the dads starts dating the boyfriend.
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Couldn't it be a very awkward Thanksgiving this year?
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I guess they don't have Thanksgiving in Britain, so they'll probably be okay.
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Saffron Druitt Barlow, that is the 19-year-old daughter.
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She is openly bisexual, and she dated Scott Hutchinson, 25-year-old.
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And she says it was just a big ploy to keep his sexuality secret.
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And she wrote on Instagram that her boyfriend is now dating her father, Barry Drew Barlow.
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But Barry Drew Barlow is only one of her fathers, according to her birth certificate.
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They were the first couple in England, same-sex couple, to be named on a birth certificate as parents,
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The men, Tony and Barry, they were the first same-sex dads, still live happily under one roof with Scott,
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the 25-year-old ex-boyfriend of the daughter, and the daughter, and actually all of their four other children,
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Tony, one of the first gay dads, has had some deteriorating health since a cancer diagnosis in 2006.
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And this apparently led the two gay dads to drift apart into a platonic relationship.
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And then for this other guy, Barry, to bring Scott, the 25-year-old ex-boyfriend,
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into the relationship, and they're all somehow living together.
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We are seeing two narratives collide here on the left, two distinct narratives.
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The first narrative, which is the one we've heard for a long time, is that we must redefine marriage.
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Marriage, for all of human history, everywhere in the world, has had a meaning, which includes sexual difference.
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We're now told that we have to redefine marriage to include monogamous, same-sex unions,
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And marriage, as we understand it, is so wonderful and so to be desired,
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that we actually, in the name of inclusion, must construct, or rather reconstruct,
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Marriage is so good, so exclusively to be desired,
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that we actually have to kind of tweak marriage, which has always included sexual difference,
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to not include sexual difference, but to still sort of look like marriage,
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to accommodate people with same-sex attractions,
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because that's the only way that they can really prosper and thrive in society.
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The second narrative, which is what we're starting to hear now,
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is that there is nothing better about traditional marriage.
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And a daddy can boink his daughter's very young boyfriend,
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and that's a beautiful, wonderful thing, and it's brave and special,
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Yeah, hold on, you're telling me you think it's weird
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that two guys who presented themselves as America's first gay dads
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live under the same roof with the daughter's ex-boyfriend
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who's now dating one of the dads and their other four kids?
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What this shows, and I really want to point this out,
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you know how much I hate saying that we told you so.
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What was the conservative argument against redefining marriage?
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Well, according to the left, the conservative argument is,
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We hate people with different sexual preferences.
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Here was the conservative argument against redefining marriage.
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It was not in any way disdainful of homosexuals
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or people with any sort of odd sexual preferences.
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that sexual difference is essential to marriage.
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Always has been, always will be, everywhere in the world.
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and you're not actually making marriage more inclusive.
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because you're cracking the essential definition of it,
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The conservative argument is that the redefinition of marriage
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would not bring people into the institution of marriage,
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But the left doesn't care about the consistency here.
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to think there'd be a slippery slope in the first place.
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This is not an indictment of all homosexual relationships
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But it's not even like they just kind of split up
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They're like living together in this bizarre arrangement
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Because it didn't begin with redefining marriage
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That was a pretty serious blow against marriage.