The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 463 - The Inevitable Impeachment

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00:00:30.280 Despite all of their charges collapsing,

00:00:33.040 Democrats plan to move forward with two articles of impeachment against President Trump.

00:00:37.680 We will examine why it's all happening now.

00:00:41.360 How did we get to the point where we can't agree on anything?

00:00:44.560 Some people blame President Trump.

00:00:46.660 Some blame the IG report, which just came out.

00:00:49.580 Some are blaming a weak Democratic field.

00:00:52.320 And boy, is it weak.

00:00:53.740 The real root cause is far deeper than that.

00:00:56.500 We will examine how this rot has been building since the 80s, at least.

00:01:01.100 And we will chart a path forward for how we can all get along.

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00:01:09.000 I'm Michael Knowles, and this is the Michael Knowles Show.

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00:03:03.620 So they're going to do it.

00:03:05.140 The Democrats are going to do it.

00:03:06.440 They're going to impeach Trump.

00:03:07.580 This is breaking news just happening.

00:03:09.780 I mean, it's breaking news, except we could have predicted it three months ago.

00:03:12.740 But it's still, it's breaking news technically.

00:03:14.540 The Democrats are going to file two articles of impeachment against President Trump.

00:03:22.540 There's the shallow political story here, which is about the impeachment.

00:03:26.700 There's the broader political context, which is the IG report.

00:03:30.600 We'll get to that.

00:03:31.540 And the weak Democratic presidential field.

00:03:34.000 And then there's the 30,000-foot view context of why this is all happening now.

00:03:39.060 And I think this is the most important part.

00:03:40.740 I think this has everything to do with the kind of disagreements you're seeing on the right right now.

00:03:45.660 I mean, for the last three days, conservative Twitter has been arguing about porn for some reason.

00:03:49.920 Why?

00:03:50.180 It actually has to do with this.

00:03:52.000 Why is our country so divided?

00:03:54.360 Why are we impeaching this president?

00:03:56.060 It all has to do with this central problem that has been building now for at least three, four decades.

00:04:03.040 We will get to that.

00:04:04.260 Let's get to the breaking news first.

00:04:05.620 Democrats are now officially filing articles of impeachment against President Trump.

00:04:12.860 Two articles.

00:04:13.840 The articles are for obstructing Congress and abuse of power.

00:04:19.500 You can look through the Constitution and say, where is that as an impeachable offense?

00:04:23.760 Probably not going to find it.

00:04:25.480 They were going to file a third.

00:04:27.360 The third article was supposed to be for bribery.

00:04:30.040 What would bribery be?

00:04:31.000 That was going to be the actual crime that they were committing or accusing Trump of committing.

00:04:35.420 The quid pro quo, right?

00:04:36.840 He's bribing Ukraine with the military aid.

00:04:39.320 And in exchange for that, he's getting an investigation into his political rival, Joe Biden.

00:04:43.020 That was the whole point of these impeachment hearings.

00:04:45.880 That was the whole point of the inquiry.

00:04:47.480 It's the whole point of the impeachment.

00:04:49.340 And they're abandoning that because there's no evidence of that.

00:04:51.980 Tells you everything you need to know about this partisan, ridiculous, farcical impeachment.

00:04:57.240 So they won't be filing the bribery charge.

00:05:01.800 You only get abuse of Congress and obstructing, or obstructing Congress and abuse of power.

00:05:07.380 How do those hold up?

00:05:08.540 On obstructing Congress, they're saying Trump obstructed Congress by not letting the executive branch employees testify.

00:05:17.440 Okay.

00:05:19.700 Trump did have a number of executive branch employees testify, didn't he?

00:05:24.620 He did.

00:05:25.020 None of them provided any evidence that Trump committed the crime that they're accusing him of, which is bribery, which is the quid pro quo.

00:05:33.220 How do we know that?

00:05:33.960 Because the Democrats aren't filing the charge for quid pro quo.

00:05:37.400 And actually, Gordon Sondland, who is the only guy to actually talk about Trump's dealings with Ukraine, repeatedly said that Trump requested no quid pro quo.

00:05:48.900 In those exact words.

00:05:50.460 Said, what do you want?

00:05:51.260 Trump said, I want nothing.

00:05:52.700 I want no quid pro quo.

00:05:54.520 Tell Ukraine to do the right thing.

00:05:56.980 So they don't have that.

00:05:59.340 The second charge, abuse of power.

00:06:02.380 Abuse of power is not an impeachable offense.

00:06:05.000 Alan Dershowitz, who we have on the show sometimes, we have him on the radio show sometimes.

00:06:09.140 Alan Dershowitz, great law professor, repeatedly points out this is not an impeachable offense.

00:06:14.200 It might be inappropriate.

00:06:15.500 It might be deserving of censure, let's say, but it is not an impeachable offense.

00:06:20.780 Now, there was another charge that the Democrats were considering adding.

00:06:24.080 A far left representative, Pramila Jayapal, suggested adding the charge of obstruction of justice.

00:06:32.460 Different than obstructing Congress.

00:06:34.180 They're saying he obstructed Congress because he didn't send all of his people to go testify.

00:06:39.140 Obstructing justice, they were considering adding because Trump went to the courts to push back against this impeachment farce.

00:06:47.920 Going to the courts, going to the third co-equal branch of government is not obstruction of justice.

00:06:54.440 If anything, that is pursuing justice and not allowing the legislature to run roughshod over the executive.

00:07:00.420 So Nancy Pelosi came to her senses there.

00:07:02.300 They're not going to file that.

00:07:03.680 They have these two very weak arguments, as we've just shown.

00:07:06.540 Those two charges fall completely flat, which means that in their actual public testimony, Democrats are reverting to their former argument.

00:07:18.120 The only actual impeachment argument that they have ever been making consistently.

00:07:22.760 That argument is three words long.

00:07:25.760 Orange, man, bad.

00:07:27.660 Here is the Democratic counsel, Barry Burke, making this argument in explicit terms.

00:07:33.440 Before I had the great honor of being a counsel for this committee, my young son asked me a question.

00:07:42.500 He said, Dad, does the president have to be a good person?

00:07:48.880 Like many questions by young children, it had a certain clarity, but it was hard to answer.

00:07:56.120 I said, son, it is not a requirement that the president be a good person, but that is the hope.

00:08:04.240 And it is not a requirement that the president be a good person.

00:08:07.540 That is not why we are here today.

00:08:09.440 That is not the issue.

00:08:11.220 All right.

00:08:11.860 See, guys, I think I'm going to leave.

00:08:13.400 I think I'm not going to leave just the studio or the Daily Wire.

00:08:16.020 I think I'm going to leave the country because obviously this experiment in self-government that we've had is over.

00:08:21.280 When you when you were trying to overturn a presidential election, when you were trying to impeach the president and for the first time in history, try to remove him from office through the process of impeachment because your son wonders if he's not a good person.

00:08:37.560 That's it.

00:08:38.180 I guess we're over, right?

00:08:39.360 That's it.

00:08:39.800 We actually might be.

00:08:40.840 We we might be past the point of self-government.

00:08:43.900 We'll get to why a little bit later in the show.

00:08:46.640 This is pathetic.

00:08:47.820 This is absolutely pathetic.

00:08:49.180 If the Democrats had not backed themselves into a corner, what they could have done here is had the hearings figured out to everybody who's paying attention that Trump did not commit an impeachable offense and then censured him anyway.

00:09:04.760 So then the Congress votes to censure him and they can take this as at least a slight political victory.

00:09:09.920 But they've backed themselves too far into a corner and their base is demanding removal from office because as Democratic Representative Al Green says, they fear that if they don't impeach this president, he will be reelected.

00:09:21.400 They fear the American people.

00:09:23.260 They fear that he's actually doing good things and he's fairly popular.

00:09:27.460 And so they've got to remove him from office extra constitutionally or else he's going to get reelected.

00:09:33.600 They don't have any actual charge against him.

00:09:36.020 And so it's the Democratic council talking to his little boy saying, gosh, the president's a bad man.

00:09:42.620 And let me look, article two, I don't know, section five or six or seven.

00:09:48.100 There's got to be some section here where you can remove the president for being a meanie, for being a really bad guy.

00:09:54.060 Absolutely pathetic.

00:09:55.700 Representative Doug Collins, the Republican, who actually was a star yesterday at the impeachment hearings.

00:10:01.480 Doug Collins said what we're all thinking, that this is a farce, that there is no impeachable offense.

00:10:09.660 What would be known about this one is probably where's the impeachable offense?

00:10:14.480 Why are we here?

00:10:16.400 I tell you, this may be, though, become known as the focus group impeachment because we don't have a crime.

00:10:21.940 We don't have anything we can actually pin.

00:10:23.400 And nobody understands really what the majority is trying to do, except they interfere and basically make sure that they believe the president can't win next year if he's impeached.

00:10:33.600 The focus group impeachment takes words and then takes them to people and say, how can we explain this better?

00:10:38.740 Because we don't have the facts to match it.

00:10:41.280 A focus group impeachment says, you know, we really aren't working with good facts, but we need a good PR move.

00:10:48.200 That's why we're here today.

00:10:49.240 The point he's making is completely right.

00:10:51.800 This is the focus group impeachment, right?

00:10:53.620 They've tried to impeach him now for three years for different reasons.

00:10:58.940 The only thing that stayed the same, the only thing that's been consistent is the fact that they want to impeach him.

00:11:03.840 But initially it was colluding with Russia.

00:11:05.520 Then it was Stormy Daniels.

00:11:07.100 Then it was his taxes.

00:11:08.120 Then it was colluding with Ukraine.

00:11:09.720 Now it's not even that.

00:11:10.980 It's not even a crime committed with Ukraine.

00:11:12.540 It's a crime committed or not a crime, but an abuse committed while he was being impeached, obstructing Congress.

00:11:21.200 Now it's abuse of power, whatever that means.

00:11:25.380 It's actually changed again.

00:11:26.840 We're actually past Ukraine.

00:11:28.300 All that's been consistent is that they want to impeach the guy.

00:11:30.960 I like that the point that he's making, that this is being focus grouped on the reasoning, the conclusion always being the same.

00:11:37.760 It's a little bit of a weak talking point and no one's going to refer to the focus group impeachment.

00:11:43.120 It's one of those things that sounds really good to people in D.C.

00:11:46.680 The American people don't register with that too much.

00:11:50.460 That doesn't resonate with them.

00:11:52.000 I think probably the better term that resonates with them is the term Trump has been using, which is that it's a BS impeachment.

00:11:57.680 I think we can all identify with that, but absolutely Collins' point stands.

00:12:03.080 He then starts drilling down on these democratic councils.

00:12:08.240 He exposed the greatest irony of the whole impeachment scam, which is that the only person to commit the offense that Democrats were initially at least accusing Trump of is not Trump, not somebody who worked for Trump, not another Republican.

00:12:26.000 It's Joe Biden.

00:12:28.400 He gets, Collins gets the Democratic council, Daniel Goldman, to admit that the only person to commit a quid pro quo here with Ukraine is Joe Biden.

00:12:38.420 As I remember going over to the Ukraine, convincing our team, our leaders, convincing them that we should provide for loan guarantees.

00:12:45.180 I went over, I guess the 12th or 13th time to give, I was supposed to announce that there was a billion dollar loan guarantee.

00:12:51.580 And I got a commitment from Poroshenko and they said that I would take action against, that they would take action against the state prosecutor.

00:12:57.600 They didn't.

00:12:58.540 So they said, so they said they had, they were walking out to the press conference.

00:13:02.820 I said, nah, I'm not going to, or we're not going to give you the billion dollars.

00:13:06.400 They said, you have authority and you have no authority.

00:13:08.680 You're not the president.

00:13:09.760 The president said, I said, call him, laughter.

00:13:13.140 I said, I'm telling you, you're getting, you're not getting the billion dollars.

00:13:15.940 I said, you're not getting the billion dollars.

00:13:17.500 I'm getting, I'm getting, I'm getting ready to be leaving here.

00:13:21.000 And I think about six hours.

00:13:22.780 I looked at them and said, I'm leaving here in six hours.

00:13:25.380 If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money.

00:13:27.900 Well, son of a bitch, he got fired.

00:13:30.840 Did he ask for something, request something and hold something of value?

00:13:33.960 He did.

00:13:34.600 George Kent testified that that was.

00:13:36.140 I think I'll do what you did.

00:13:37.020 George Kent testified.

00:13:37.940 I'm asking about not George Kent.

00:13:39.340 I'm asking about this.

00:13:40.160 Right, but it's important context.

00:13:41.580 It's not.

00:13:42.240 Answer this question.

00:13:43.780 Did he or did he not?

00:13:44.480 Either Joe Biden's a liar telling a story to make people impressed, or he actually did this.

00:13:50.660 Which is it?

00:13:51.840 He did it pursuant to U.S. official policy.

00:13:53.960 So he did it in holding, withholding actual dollars, actual thing, holding this out there.

00:13:59.260 So Joe Biden, of everybody that we discussed about, is the only one that's done a quid pro quo.

00:14:03.620 He's the only one that's used taxpayer dollars to actually threaten a foreign government.

00:14:07.940 And yet we're sitting here pretending that this is not happening?

00:14:11.760 Thank you.

00:14:12.520 Thank you, Representative Collins, for saying the most obvious point about the whole impeachment

00:14:19.900 hearing, that we're initially, at least, going after Trump for a quid pro quo that he didn't

00:14:25.300 commit, when if he did commit a quid pro quo, it was only to investigate the quid pro quo that

00:14:30.220 we know for a fact Joe Biden committed because he admitted it.

00:14:32.920 Thank you.

00:14:33.500 Thank you very much.

00:14:35.040 Not that it matters, because nobody cares about the actual facts of this, because we are dug

00:14:39.900 into our partisanship because of this root problem that we've had now for a few decades,

00:14:45.240 which we will get to.

00:14:46.780 But it just shows you the absurdity, the hypocrisy of the whole hearing.

00:14:53.320 He digs in.

00:14:54.080 And Daniel Goldman is a partisan Democrat.

00:14:56.720 Okay.

00:14:56.900 He's obviously, he's the Democratic Council.

00:14:58.820 He's a partisan Democrat.

00:14:59.900 Barry Burke, who's the other Democratic Council.

00:15:02.780 He's a partisan Democrat, too.

00:15:04.460 I don't begrudge them their partisanship.

00:15:06.680 That's fine.

00:15:07.280 It's worth pointing out that the expert witness that the Republicans called on their behalf

00:15:12.480 was John, Jonathan Turley, who's actually a liberal, who actually voted against President

00:15:18.280 Trump, who, who, in so much as you can be nonpartisan here, is definitely not partisan

00:15:22.680 with the Republicans.

00:15:24.020 Democrats are just doubling down on their guys.

00:15:25.900 That's fine.

00:15:26.480 You then have, after Doug Collins just knocks down this whole impeachment nonsense, you

00:15:33.960 then have Matt Gaetz, Congressman Matt Gaetz, come in for the kill and expose the rank partisanship

00:15:40.880 all around the Democratic circus.

00:15:44.120 Are you a partisan?

00:15:45.700 I am not a partisan.

00:15:47.080 Mr. Castro, how long have you worked for the House?

00:15:49.320 Since 2005.

00:15:51.200 And same question, Mr. Golden.

00:15:53.340 For the House?

00:15:54.180 Since earlier this year.

00:15:56.680 Mr. Castro, do you make political donations?

00:15:59.240 I don't remember any.

00:16:01.140 Mr. Goldman, same question.

00:16:02.460 Do you make political donations?

00:16:03.820 I do, sir.

00:16:04.360 I think it's very important.

00:16:05.100 Matter of fact, you've given tens of thousands of dollars to Democrats, right?

00:16:09.320 Sir, I think it's very important to support candidates for office.

00:16:12.820 Mr. Castro, have you ever tweeted anything at the president?

00:16:16.180 No.

00:16:16.960 Mr. Goldman, same question.

00:16:18.160 Um, I have made a number of tweets in my private capacity before I came to this job when I was working in the media, yes.

00:16:27.760 Matter of fact, this is one of those tweets, right?

00:16:30.380 Uh-oh, did you read my Twitter account?

00:16:32.280 Uh-oh.

00:16:32.980 Oh, no, you looked into my political donations and my Twitter account.

00:16:35.880 So he points out that Daniel Goldman's given tens of thousands of dollars to Democrats.

00:16:39.900 And Barry Burke, the other Democrat counsel, has given over $100,000.

00:16:43.000 So what this is all about is partisanship.

00:16:46.620 Of course it's partisan.

00:16:47.620 What's offensive to all of us is when Daniel Goldman says, I'm not a partisan.

00:16:51.780 This is not a partisan impeachment.

00:16:53.420 Nancy Pelosi says, this has nothing to do with politics.

00:16:55.840 Oh, yeah?

00:16:56.340 Well, if it didn't have anything to do with politics, maybe you would have found a crime.

00:16:59.980 Maybe you would have found an impeachable offense.

00:17:01.600 But you didn't.

00:17:02.600 So this is a strictly political maneuver.

00:17:04.760 Fine.

00:17:06.540 The whole thing is about defending Democrats on two fronts.

00:17:11.680 It's about defending Democrats against an investigation into the Russia investigation.

00:17:17.240 We just got the first part of that investigation, the IG report.

00:17:20.520 And it's about defending Democrats from their own weak presidential field.

00:17:24.300 Speaking of the latter, let's check in with Democratic front-runner Joe Biden.

00:17:29.780 So you go ahead and you stack spaghetti sauce at a store and in a supermarket.

00:17:34.280 You control the guy or the woman who runs the, brings out the carts on a forklift. 0.77

00:17:41.960 Okay.

00:17:42.460 Yep.

00:17:42.720 Things going about as well as the last time we checked in on Joe Biden.

00:17:46.020 So that's not great.

00:17:47.040 And he's the leader of the pack for now.

00:17:48.920 There's a new poll out from Harvard Harris showing the top five 2020 Democratic presidential

00:17:56.100 candidates among voters.

00:17:57.100 Right now it's Biden at 29%, Sanders at 16, Warren at 13, Buttigieg at eight, and Bloomberg

00:18:04.080 at seven.

00:18:04.760 Good on Bloomberg.

00:18:05.780 He's really rising up in the world, isn't he?

00:18:07.420 Probably not going to go anywhere, but still, you know, he's doing, doing better than some

00:18:11.640 of the other lower tier candidates.

00:18:14.020 That's the Harvard Harris poll as it stands right now.

00:18:16.780 The minute that you add people like Hillary Clinton and John Kerry into the race, Biden

00:18:23.720 completely collapses.

00:18:24.780 So if you add Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, you now get the front runner as Hillary Clinton

00:18:31.660 with 21%, Joe Biden with 20, Sanders at 12, Warren at nine, Buttigieg and Kerry at five.

00:18:39.560 The multi-time loser, one of the most reviled women in America, Hillary Clinton, is currently 1.00

00:18:51.880 leading the pack of Democratic presidential candidates and she's not even running.

00:18:56.200 This is a bad situation for Democrats to be in.

00:18:59.700 So what are they doing?

00:19:00.680 The impeachment is in part to distract from this bad pack of candidates.

00:19:04.880 The, now, the theater here, the theater helps President Trump, right?

00:19:11.760 Because they're distracting from the candidates with impeachment.

00:19:15.740 Trouble is the impeachment is helping him.

00:19:18.200 Quarterly polling by the Republican firm Firehouse Strategies has President Trump struggling,

00:19:23.420 or it had President Trump struggling in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

00:19:27.000 Those are all the battlegrounds those states are very likely to determine the 2020 election.

00:19:31.200 He was struggling, right?

00:19:33.700 Until the latest poll.

00:19:34.880 Until the poll that came out after impeachment had started, in which he beats every single

00:19:39.860 Democratic candidate.

00:19:41.680 Nothing could be better for Trump than this impeachment.

00:19:45.380 You know, Lindsey Graham on the Judiciary Committee is saying that once the House impeaches

00:19:49.800 and it goes to trial in the Senate, they're going to get this impeachment over with ASAP.

00:19:53.500 No, do not do that.

00:19:55.120 Drag this thing out.

00:19:56.660 That's a terrible idea.

00:19:58.660 This is so helpful to Trump, this should drag on for two months.

00:20:01.560 Now, I think what Lindsey Graham is thinking, what Republicans on the Hill are thinking,

00:20:06.780 is we need to wrap this up because we've already won.

00:20:10.480 Impeachment has helped us. 1.00

00:20:11.620 Let's just get it over with before something bad happens.

00:20:14.340 What could happen?

00:20:15.820 You could call Joe Biden to testify and he could start crying and show himself to be a sympathetic

00:20:20.600 witness and turn the impeachment in his favor.

00:20:23.580 You could get Hunter Biden to testify, a complete degenerate, but he could still evoke some sympathy.

00:20:29.260 The Bidens are very good at this.

00:20:30.660 Okay, fine.

00:20:31.800 Don't get them to testify.

00:20:32.920 I don't think you need to get either of those guys to testify.

00:20:35.480 Just keep dragging out all these Democratic lawyers who are so awful.

00:20:40.100 Pamela Carlin, Daniel Goldman, Noah Feldman, all these guys that are just so unlikable and

00:20:47.300 so elitist and so disconnected from the American people.

00:20:50.220 That is how you, drag out Adam Schiff, get Adam Schiff to testify before the Senate.

00:20:55.060 Drag out associates of the Bidens.

00:20:57.260 I don't know, drag out Hunter Biden's Coke dealer.

00:20:59.600 Who knows?

00:21:01.040 Drag that out for a long time.

00:21:02.900 That really helps Trump.

00:21:04.580 It drills the point home that Democrats have nothing.

00:21:08.780 And the Democrats will pretend to have something even when they've got nothing, right?

00:21:12.480 So the thing is, if you wrap up impeachment right now, the Democrats are going to declare

00:21:16.820 a victory, even though they've lost on every single stage of this.

00:21:21.240 So you've got to keep showing the American people that the Democrats have nothing.

00:21:25.320 Otherwise, the mainstream media aren't going to do it for you.

00:21:27.960 A great example of this is the IG report.

00:21:31.860 The IG report just came out.

00:21:33.840 Here's ABC News' take.

00:21:35.500 After years of President Trump calling it a deep state, saying the FBI was anti-Trump when

00:21:41.780 it launched an investigation into possible ties between his campaign and Russia, tonight

00:21:46.480 the long-awaited independent report, the Justice Department's Inspector General revealing there

00:21:52.200 was no evidence of a witch hunt, determining the FBI had enough evidence pointing to either

00:21:57.120 a federal crime or a threat to national security or both to justify the probe at the height of

00:22:03.160 the election, and that the agents who made the final decision to launch the investigation

00:22:07.380 were not influenced by political bias.

00:22:10.140 Oh, okay.

00:22:11.560 So no witch hunt.

00:22:13.460 The FBI totally fine.

00:22:15.580 Democrats good.

00:22:16.720 Orange man bad. 0.78

00:22:17.780 Okay, now I get it.

00:22:18.740 Except, of course, that's not really what happened.

00:22:22.840 The IG report, I mean, the IG report is extremely long, so you can read the executive summary or

00:22:27.100 something.

00:22:27.360 It's said that the FBI committed a whole slew of errors in the lead up to wiretapping and

00:22:36.080 spying on the Trump campaign.

00:22:37.880 Now, ultimately, the IG said this wasn't some politically motivated conspiracy.

00:22:41.660 It was just incompetence and a number of mistakes.

00:22:45.160 So spying on the Trump campaign, spying on Carter Page, it was all flawed but not improperly

00:22:50.400 motivated.

00:22:50.980 What does the IG report say?

00:22:52.160 Okay, 17, quote, serious performance failures relating to warrants obtained by the FBI through

00:22:58.500 the FISA courts, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Amendment courts.

00:23:03.200 On the spying on Carter Page, spying on the Trump campaign, that FISA warrant was reauthorized

00:23:10.260 three times.

00:23:11.460 It contained false and misleading information about Page repeatedly.

00:23:15.940 It failed to disclose the fact that Page had already disclosed his Russian contacts to a

00:23:23.360 government agency, pretended that he hadn't.

00:23:25.620 It overstated the government's confidence in the Steele dossier, and it also ignored Christopher

00:23:30.480 Steele's own doubts about his own dossier.

00:23:34.180 And it never mentioned that Page and Manafort, Paul Manafort, the former chairman of the Trump

00:23:38.560 campaign, had, quote, literally never met.

00:23:42.780 Okay, that's a lot of errors, isn't it?

00:23:44.780 It's a lot.

00:23:45.800 So you're just saying, okay, the FBI, they made some mistakes, but there's no problem

00:23:50.060 of motivation here.

00:23:51.020 That's a little hard for me to believe.

00:23:52.500 Here's President Trump's take.

00:23:54.560 Okay, thank you very much.

00:23:55.800 The IG report just came out, and I was just briefed on it, and it's a disgrace what's happened

00:24:02.300 with respect to the things that were done to our country.

00:24:07.480 It should never again happen to another president.

00:24:09.780 It is incredible, far worse than I would have ever thought possible.

00:24:15.440 And it's an embarrassment to our country.

00:24:20.020 It's dishonest.

00:24:21.720 It's everything that a lot of people thought it would be, except far worse.

00:24:27.460 So I'm going to get some very detailed briefings, but they are, it's a very sad, it's a very

00:24:36.320 sad day when I see that.

00:24:38.180 Very sad day when a lot of people see that.

00:24:40.840 Okay, classic Trump answer.

00:24:44.040 It's the worst thing I've ever seen.

00:24:45.480 It couldn't possibly be worse.

00:24:46.760 It's terrible.

00:24:47.700 I happen to agree with him on the main points here.

00:24:50.920 I think it's really, really bad.

00:24:52.480 The trouble is that the conclusions of the IG reports were too weak.

00:24:57.340 They were too moderate.

00:24:58.480 They gave too much deference to the bureaucrats.

00:25:01.040 And so Trump is kind of underplaying that.

00:25:04.140 He's pointing to the actual facts of the investigation.

00:25:06.400 I think Lindsey Graham had the most nuanced and accurate take on this, which is the flaws 0.98

00:25:15.560 of the investigation itself, the actual facts that the IG found, that is what is disturbing.

00:25:23.240 And that merits further investigation.

00:25:25.520 I believe there will be no debate among reasonable minded people, particularly lawyers, about how

00:25:31.940 the system not only got off the rails, but in my view, became a criminal enterprise to

00:25:38.240 defraud the FISA court, to deny American citizen Carter Page's constitutional rights, and to

00:25:44.680 continue an operation against President Trump as president of the United States, that I think

00:25:49.480 was fundamentally flawed and unlawful.

00:25:51.500 Even if the initial process of spying on the Trump campaign, even if we're going to grant

00:26:00.560 the benefit of the doubt to these bureaucrats, certainly after the beginning, after the middle,

00:26:08.160 in the late stages of this, this had become something far, far worse than a simple mistake.

00:26:15.260 You don't repeatedly lie to the FISA courts.

00:26:18.020 You don't repeatedly omit relevant information.

00:26:20.440 You don't repeatedly lean on a source who is being paid by the Hillary Clinton campaign

00:26:27.300 unless there's something more going on here.

00:26:30.580 When you add to that all of the text messages we saw between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, when

00:26:35.100 you add to that the meetings that were alleged to have happened in Andy McCabe's office, when

00:26:39.640 you add to that everything we already know, this thing stinks to high heaven.

00:26:44.400 And beyond Trump's take, beyond Graham's take, you get the Attorney General, William Barr,

00:26:49.460 who importantly disagreed with the conclusions of the IG report.

00:26:54.240 Barr said, quote,

00:26:55.120 The Inspector General's report now makes clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation

00:26:59.520 of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions, in my view, that, in my view,

00:27:06.520 were insufficient to justify the steps taken.

00:27:09.100 So the IG says they were sufficient to take the steps that they did to spy on the Trump

00:27:13.460 campaign.

00:27:14.240 Barr says, no, they didn't.

00:27:15.560 Barr goes on.

00:27:16.200 FBI officials misled the FISA court, omitted critical exculpatory facts from their filings,

00:27:21.240 and suppressed or ignored information, negating the reliability of their principal source.

00:27:28.340 Absolutely right.

00:27:29.140 John Durham, who is the investigator, the, the U.S. attorney appointed by Bill Barr months

00:27:35.500 ago to also investigate this matter.

00:27:38.240 And at the time we thought, wait a second, you've already got the IG.

00:27:40.760 Why are you appointing John Durham?

00:27:42.300 It's because obviously the AG, William Barr, knew at that time that the IG was not going

00:27:47.480 to take this to its logical conclusion.

00:27:49.420 So he was appointing another investigator to pursue a criminal investigation on the matter.

00:27:54.100 John Durham said more or less the same thing.

00:27:56.220 He said it even a little tougher.

00:27:57.120 Last month, we advised the inspector general that we do not agree with some of the report's

00:28:02.920 conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened.

00:28:07.620 Now, the big question we have, how does this all relate to internet porn?

00:28:13.900 Sort of.

00:28:14.480 I'm, I'm actually not totally kidding here.

00:28:18.000 We have been having lots of cultural debates on the right about the, the nature of what we

00:28:23.660 believe, what we want for America, how we can conserve the American nation, how we should

00:28:28.840 relate to libertarianism and traditionalism and all.

00:28:31.760 It's actually all the same conversation.

00:28:34.980 The big question is why?

00:28:36.680 Why is this all happening now?

00:28:38.940 Why are we relitigating the 2016 election?

00:28:41.600 Why are we impeaching the president over nothing?

00:28:43.840 Why is the bureaucracy trying to overturn the will of the American people?

00:28:48.360 Why are we arguing about porn?

00:28:50.240 Why are we arguing about all these things?

00:28:51.540 The problem is we have nothing in common.

00:28:57.720 And this was because of a deal made between the right and the left decades ago that has

00:29:04.160 not given us very good fruit.

00:29:06.440 We'll get to that in a second.

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00:29:58.560 Why are we still litigating the 2016 election?

00:30:14.380 Why?

00:30:16.460 Why are Democrats impeaching a president for nothing?

00:30:19.260 Why did the FBI try to rig an election?

00:30:21.740 Why?

00:30:23.300 Because we have very little in common.

00:30:24.920 That's why the big, the big argument on the right in recent months has been between the

00:30:31.420 traditionalists and the libertarians.

00:30:33.520 Okay.

00:30:34.040 The, between the Saurabh Amaris and the David Frenches, between the people who want to ban

00:30:41.260 porn and the people who want there to be porn all over the place, even if they don't like

00:30:44.960 it, they want everyone to have the opportunity to see it.

00:30:46.860 It's between the people who say that the ultimate aim of politics is a good society and the people

00:30:55.200 who say that the ultimate pursuit of politics is leave me alone, libertarian, individual

00:31:02.620 freedom.

00:31:03.820 That's the debate that's going on right now.

00:31:06.380 How did we get here?

00:31:08.340 Which way should we lean?

00:31:09.480 From the 80s to the present, there has been this strange left-right consensus.

00:31:16.140 There's actually been something of a consensus, an alliance between left-wing liberals who

00:31:21.220 want to be left alone on social issues and between right-wing liberals, I say liberal in

00:31:27.940 the kind of classical sense of that word, who want to be left alone with their money.

00:31:32.400 So you got the left-wing liberals who say, don't bother me about sex or culture or the

00:31:38.740 arts or my body or any of that.

00:31:40.540 Just don't, leave me alone with that.

00:31:42.680 And then the right says, okay, we'll leave you alone on that.

00:31:45.780 If you leave us alone on our money, let us keep all of our money.

00:31:48.360 And the left doesn't usually go along with that, but that's, that's the rough alliance

00:31:52.380 that they've made.

00:31:54.720 We're seeing the fruit of that alliance now.

00:31:58.360 We can't agree on what marriage is.

00:32:00.920 We can't agree on what life is or when it begins.

00:32:04.700 We can't agree on what the government should be or look like or is.

00:32:09.660 We can't agree on what a man is. 0.85

00:32:11.740 We can't agree on what a woman is. 1.00

00:32:14.060 We can't even agree on what language to speak.

00:32:17.160 It's now a controversial conservative opinion to say that we should speak English in America.

00:32:23.260 Often you'll call a customer service line and you'll, you'll hear for English press one

00:32:28.560 and you're, you'll hear something in Spanish that maybe you can't understand.

00:32:34.100 It's now considered bigoted in some quarters to say that the official language of America

00:32:38.200 should be English.

00:32:40.380 That's how little we agree on.

00:32:41.820 We can't even agree on the language that we should speak to talk about whether we agree

00:32:45.400 on things.

00:32:47.100 That is the fruit of, leave me alone.

00:32:50.800 I have nothing to do with you.

00:32:51.860 That's the fruit of hyper-individualism on the social side when it comes to the left

00:32:55.820 and on the money side when it comes to the right.

00:32:58.880 I'm a huge fan of lower taxes.

00:33:00.700 I don't think we should pay higher taxes.

00:33:02.620 I don't think we should have more government regulations coming in and taking my property.

00:33:06.680 But the reason for that is economic freedom is a good way to pursue a good country, a good

00:33:17.000 society, a good place to live.

00:33:19.680 It's not an end in and of itself.

00:33:22.400 Maximal individual autonomy is not an end in and of itself.

00:33:26.760 The end that that allows for is virtue, is a good life, is good healthy communities,

00:33:33.960 is a good country.

00:33:36.660 That's what we've got to agree to.

00:33:39.520 I think the whole leave me alone politics, oh come on, who cares?

00:33:43.860 It's not a big deal.

00:33:44.640 You can have your weird creepy sex stuff and we can keep all of our money and never the

00:33:49.180 twain shall meet.

00:33:49.920 That is a losing proposition because eventually if Andrew Breitbart is correct that politics

00:33:56.480 is downstream of culture and if also politics affects culture, ultimately you are going to

00:34:02.000 have a country that's so separated that we're going to come to heads.

00:34:06.240 We're going to come to conflict.

00:34:08.280 That is what is happening right now.

00:34:10.040 If we were a country that kind of understood one another, that we had a basically similar

00:34:16.180 sense of the common good, the highest good, similar kind of sense of culture, similar kind

00:34:22.520 of sense of religion.

00:34:23.440 I'm not saying identical.

00:34:24.440 I'm not saying we need some totally uniform, prudish country.

00:34:28.620 I'm not saying we need to be prude in any way.

00:34:30.760 Just saying we have to kind of agree on what we're all about.

00:34:33.640 If you had that, then you wouldn't have a bogus impeachment over nothing.

00:34:39.380 You wouldn't, and at least come up with some shred of a crime, wouldn't they?

00:34:43.480 You wouldn't have the bureaucracy trying to attack the people.

00:34:48.060 You wouldn't have these separate languages where half of the country thinks that the

00:34:54.600 other half of the country are Nazis, are literal Nazis, are bigoted, awful, terrible, 0.86

00:35:00.000 deplorable, irredeemable people like Hillary Clinton said.

00:35:02.180 You wouldn't have that because we would at least, I'm not saying we would agree on everything,

00:35:06.020 but we would at least understand one another.

00:35:07.660 We would have a general sense of where we're all going, what we all want.

00:35:11.360 That doesn't happen.

00:35:13.420 That's the fruit of hyper, super duper individualism.

00:35:16.560 If we are going to come back together, the answer is not to go to the lowest common denominator

00:35:21.340 and say, fine, I'm not going to ever tell you anything that you should do, and please,

00:35:24.880 you don't tell me anything that I should do.

00:35:26.700 That's not the answer.

00:35:27.640 The answer is we need to actually engage with one another.

00:35:31.100 We do have to say there is a good, there is something we should be doing, there is propriety,

00:35:36.220 there is a definition of a man, there is a definition of marriage, there is a definition

00:35:39.580 of human life.

00:35:41.340 That's what we're going to have to do.

00:35:42.660 That takes a little courage, that takes a little bit of virtue.

00:35:45.280 Unfortunately, we've so whittled away at that over the past several decades that it's hard

00:35:49.700 to even gather that language.

00:35:51.340 That is the task before us, and it's not an easy one, and it's not going to be terribly pleasant,

00:35:57.080 and it might look like there's more conflict in the short term.

00:36:00.240 In the long run, that's the only way that we are going to have a peaceable society again.

00:36:04.460 It's the only way that we're going to have a society based on reason, based on persuasion,

00:36:08.320 and that's the only way that self-government persists.

00:36:12.000 Now let's get to an important issue like a coked up Santa Claus.

00:36:15.000 Walmart has issued an apology for a third-party item that was listed for sale on its Canadian

00:36:21.980 website.

00:36:23.240 The item is a sweater with the design of a Santa not wearing pants sitting on top of a

00:36:31.440 couch or a bed with a bunch of like a little snowflake Christmas tree on one side and then

00:36:37.660 lines of Coke on the other, and the shirt says, let it snow.

00:36:42.920 So Walmart issued this big apology, they're so sorry that they've got this shirt here,

00:36:48.820 it's so terrible.

00:36:49.620 Think of the children, think of the children.

00:36:52.040 Come on, guys.

00:36:53.780 It's a funny shirt.

00:36:55.480 Let it go.

00:36:56.200 It's not a big deal.

00:36:57.300 You know, so many people, as we've been having these kind of traditionalist debates over porn

00:37:01.860 and all that kind of stuff, they've said, you conservatives are prude.

00:37:04.820 The reason that I don't like porn is not because I'm totally scandalized by sexual images or

00:37:14.720 by, you know, sort of inappropriate images.

00:37:17.460 It's because it has a bad effect on the individual and on society and there's nothing good about

00:37:21.100 it.

00:37:22.420 That's not prudishness.

00:37:23.560 I don't think that we should get rid of shirts that have Santa blowing Coke.

00:37:27.260 It's just a funny joke.

00:37:28.580 I mean, in this, what is that song, I Get a Kick Out of You, classic American songbook

00:37:34.560 song, it says, I get a kick out of you.

00:37:37.240 I get no thrill from cocaine, right?

00:37:39.980 People have talked about coke, made jokes about coke, sung about coke.

00:37:43.240 All right.

00:37:44.220 I'm not saying you should ever do cocaine.

00:37:45.900 I'm just saying you can have a shirt that makes a joke about cocaine looking like snow

00:37:51.020 with Santa Claus.

00:37:52.080 That's fine.

00:37:54.860 Prudishness is not the answer.

00:37:56.140 The only criticism that I will make of this sweatshirt is that these sweaters are kind

00:38:03.000 of lame.

00:38:04.360 The idea of the ugly Christmas sweater that's really subversive and that's really telling

00:38:10.200 a naughty joke, that has now become lame because that's all you ever see now in stores are these

00:38:14.940 like fake Christmas sweaters.

00:38:16.060 I actually think it would be funnier to just wear a regular Christmas sweater.

00:38:20.100 That would be more countercultural.

00:38:22.100 That would be more subversive.

00:38:23.380 But guys, come on.

00:38:24.440 We're so tense.

00:38:25.200 We're so upset about everything now.

00:38:27.940 Let Santa have a little coke.

00:38:29.120 All right.

00:38:29.500 That's fine.

00:38:30.240 Let people have a couple laughs.

00:38:33.440 There's also some good news.

00:38:35.320 As we've had all this bad news on the show, I want to leave on some good news.

00:38:39.460 On Monday, the Supreme Court rejected a challenge to a 2017 pro-life law in Kentucky that requires

00:38:48.540 doctors to perform ultrasounds and play the sound of the baby's heartbeat to women who are seeking abortion.

00:38:55.080 This is great.

00:38:56.680 Kentucky passes this law.

00:38:58.220 They say, all right, if you want to get an abortion, if you want to kill your child, you have to hear that your child has a heartbeat.

00:39:05.180 You have to see the ultrasound, that it's really a baby.

00:39:09.320 The whole law says before you can have an abortion, you have to have all the information.

00:39:15.220 The left hates this.

00:39:17.880 The left doesn't want you to have information on abortion.

00:39:20.980 Because the minute you have information, you realize that the left has been telling you lies about abortion for decades.

00:39:26.760 It's not just a clump of cells.

00:39:28.480 It's not dead.

00:39:30.780 It's not alive.

00:39:32.320 It's not human.

00:39:33.540 It's a human being.

00:39:35.060 It's living.

00:39:36.260 It's your child.

00:39:37.720 So this goes up to the Supreme Court.

00:39:39.400 The Supreme Court, to their credit, says, no, this is perfectly constitutional.

00:39:44.080 You can absolutely do this.

00:39:45.020 This is great news.

00:39:46.040 And it's driving a lot of people crazy.

00:39:49.480 You know, there's this British actress who I've never seen in anything, but she's got a blue checkmark on Twitter. 0.96

00:39:54.060 Her name is Jamila Jamil.

00:39:55.540 She has been defending abortion in such a crazy, wild, intense way that it makes me think she doesn't really believe what she's saying.

00:40:06.220 She tweeted out, quote, receiving thousands of messages about how I made a mistake having an abortion seven years ago and how I must be a miserable person.

00:40:17.280 I am, in fact, a happy, thriving multimillionaire, madly in love with free time, good sleep, and a wonderful career and life.

00:40:26.540 But thanks for checking.

00:40:28.620 It's a little kissy face.

00:40:31.480 Nobody believes that.

00:40:33.800 Nobody really believes what she's saying.

00:40:35.600 She clearly feels some shame, some regret, at least, at the very least, some uncertainty about her decision to kill her child and sacrifice her child on the altar of mammon, on the altar of money and fame and relaxation and sleep.

00:40:56.620 Listen to the trade that she made.

00:40:58.420 She said, yes, I killed my child, but in return for killing my child, I'm happy.

00:41:05.660 Okay, skeptical of that.

00:41:07.500 I'm a multimillionaire.

00:41:09.760 Oh, you committed an immoral act and were rewarded with wealth?

00:41:14.060 That's never happened before.

00:41:15.440 Wow, that's how odd.

00:41:17.240 I'm madly in love.

00:41:18.620 Okay, whatever.

00:41:19.420 I have free time.

00:41:20.940 Good for you.

00:41:22.240 I have good sleep.

00:41:23.500 I have a wonderful career and life.

00:41:25.460 This actually does get to the debate that we were talking about, the kind of leave-me-alone debate, the kind of hyper-individualism debate, the kind of I'm-not-my-brother's-keeper debate.

00:41:39.740 What the left wants to do is leave me alone, let me have whatever sex I want, let me pursue my career, let me kill my babies. 0.99

00:41:47.980 What the right wants, at its worst, in this kind of hyper-individualist, selfish way, is let me keep all my money.

00:41:56.860 Just let me have my money.

00:41:57.920 You can kill your babies. 0.96

00:41:59.220 I'm just going to keep my money.

00:42:00.800 We're all good.

00:42:03.160 Look, you can live in fantasy.

00:42:05.100 You can pretend that men are women and women are men, and you can pretend that you're happy. 0.68

00:42:08.180 Whatever, that's fine.

00:42:09.180 Doesn't bother me.

00:42:10.120 I'm going to keep my money.

00:42:12.520 That is a bad deal.

00:42:14.900 Well, that's a deal that dooms and destines society to have a bad time, to not really get along with one another.

00:42:24.900 Winston Churchill famously said, and Ronald Reagan repeated it in one of his most famous speeches, A Time for Choosing.

00:42:30.980 The destiny of man is not measured by material computations.

00:42:35.580 When great forces are on the move in the world, we know that we are spirits, not animals.

00:42:40.740 A good life is not measured by how many millions of dollars you've made.

00:42:45.760 It's not measured by how much free time you have to do nothing.

00:42:49.000 It's not measured by how much good sleep you were able to get, or how many movies or TV shows you were able to appear in.

00:42:56.400 Likewise, a good life is not measured by how much money you were able to keep for yourself.

00:43:02.280 And you can do wonderful things with money that you keep for yourself, but that's not the measure of a good life.

00:43:06.900 A good life is not even measured by how many of your own wins and desires and appetites you were able to indulge.

00:43:15.780 A good life is determined by how good it was.

00:43:21.100 Actually good.

00:43:22.480 That is the end of it.

00:43:23.600 That's the aim.

00:43:24.400 That's what we're striving for.

00:43:25.600 That's what we should be striving for if you want to have a good life, if you want to have a happy life.

00:43:30.920 I mean, it's sort of circular.

00:43:32.440 If you want to have a good life, you've got to be good about it.

00:43:34.420 You can't just indulge your appetites all the time, because very often we have disordered appetites.

00:43:40.580 If we want that, if we want to try to rediscover that wisdom that we knew 40 years ago, that Ronald Reagan knew, that Winston Churchill knew, that everybody knew up until now except for us, because we have so degraded our culture.

00:43:52.900 If we want to recover that, then we have to start having conversations not merely about equality, not merely about social justice, not merely about material wealth, not merely about liberty, not even merely about this hyper-individual liberty,

00:44:12.800 but rather what Edmund Burke, the great conservative philosopher, talks about as the spirit of an exalted freedom, we have to talk about the good.

00:44:23.780 That is going to be a difficult conversation, and I don't know that we're going to have a very good time doing it, but we can try.

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The Michael Knowles Show - December 10, 2019

Ep. 463 - The Inevitable Impeachment

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