Ep. 491 - Mitt Romney Has Always Been Awful
Summary
Trump has been acquitted in the Senate impeachment trial, but not before Mitt Romney gets in one last nip before being relegated to ignominy and obscurity. We compare sanctimonious backstabbers with serious and successful conservatives. Then the Trump administration leaks a draft of perhaps the single most important executive order we will ever see in our lifetimes to make America beautiful again. Finally, Andrew Yang reminds us why the left, no matter how eccentric, should never be trusted.
Transcript
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President Trump has officially been acquitted in the Senate's farce impeachment trial,
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but not before snake in the grass Mitt Romney gets in one last little nip
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before being relegated to ignominy and obscurity.
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We will compare sanctimonious backstabbers with serious and successful conservatives.
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Then the Trump administration leaks a draft of perhaps the single most important executive order
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we will see in our lifetimes to make America beautiful again.
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Finally, Andrew Yang reminds us why the left, no matter how eccentric, should never be trusted.
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All that and more. I'm Michael Knowles and this is The Michael Knowles Show.
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This is the way impeachment ends, not with a bang, but a whimper.
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We all knew that that was going to happen, and now it happened.
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But before it was over, at that very last moment,
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Mitt freaking Romney had to get in one last little jab at the president.
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So there were two charges against the president.
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There was the charge of abuse of power and then obstruction of Congress.
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The House Democrats were considering a third charge of bribery,
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They dropped that because they didn't have evidence.
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On the charge of abuse of power, the final vote was 52 to 48.
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On the charge of obstruction of Congress, the final vote was 53 to 47.
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The reason that those two votes were different is because Mitt Romney voted to convict the president on abuse of power.
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And Mitt Romney did that because Mitt Romney hates Trump.
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The Constitution established the vehicle of impeachment that has occupied both houses of our Congress these many days.
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We have labored to faithfully execute our responsibilities to it.
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We have arrived at different judgments, but I hope we respect each other's good faith.
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The allegations made in the articles of impeachment are very serious.
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As a senator juror, I swore an oath before God to exercise impartial justice.
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I take an oath before God as enormously consequential.
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I knew from the outset that being tasked with judging the president, the leader of my own party,
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would be the most difficult decision I have ever faced.
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The most difficult decision that St. Mitt would ever face.
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The reason this matters, this one vote matters, obviously it's not going to determine whether or not the president gets acquitted,
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but the reason that it matters is it means that the Democrats can now say that this was a bipartisan impeachment.
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In the House, when the House passed the articles of impeachment, no Republicans voted for it because there weren't any snakes in the grass like Mitt Romney.
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So it was all the Democrats voting for impeachment and Democrats and Republicans voting against impeachment in the House.
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Then you get to the Senate and it was a completely party line vote.
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The conservative Democrats didn't come over and the squishy Republicans didn't go over to the other side.
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With the exception of that sanctimonious snake in the grass, Mitt Romney.
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In 2012, I had the distinction of working on the campaigns of two of Mitt Romney's primary challengers.
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I have been calling Mitt Romney a snake in the grass for a very long time and I've never felt prouder of that intuition and decision.
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We will get to the principled Mitt Romney, dating all the way back to the 90s because film and the internet are forever.
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However, we will get to this wonderful, maybe the most conservative executive order that any president has ever issued or leaked to possibly issue.
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The principled Mitt Romney had to, he had to vote for these bogus charges of impeachment that no other Republican bought at all
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because they were ridiculous, they were historic.
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The Democrats couldn't even charge the president with a crime, couldn't even charge him with an impeachable offense.
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But the lone conservative Mitt Romney realized how important it was to convict.
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He hates Trump because Trump became the president and Romney didn't become the president because he was a flawed candidate.
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Mitt Romney has flip-flopped and sold his principles at every single turn in his political career, which is fine.
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But the trouble about Romney is he's just so damn sanctimonious about it.
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Let's take a little trip down memory line to the principled Mitt Romney running for Senate against Ted Kennedy in the 90s.
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He's asked about the legacy of Ronald Reagan, that other actual true conservative.
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Does he say, I'm inheriting the mantle of Ronald Reagan?
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He says, I was not a conservative during Reagan-Bush.
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Look, I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush.
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I don't want to go back to the policies of Ronald Reagan.
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Here is Mitt Romney, true conservative, capital T, capital C, trademark over the E, back in the day.
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I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country.
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I have since the time that my mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate.
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I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years, that we should sustain and support it.
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And I sustain and support that law and the right of a woman to make that choice.
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He supports the right of women to make that choice.
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Now, I'll point out, Donald Trump held the same position on abortion back in the late 90s,
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back when President Trump was considering running for the Reform Party nomination.
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Donald Trump was asked about his flip-flop on it, and he said, yeah, I changed my mind.
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I used to have this opinion, then I realized I was wrong, and I changed my mind.
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Trump, for all of his flaws, doesn't get sanctimonious.
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If anything, he plays the sanctimony down a little bit.
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He doesn't pretend to be very pious and very principled all the time.
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Mitt Romney, who cast the lone Republican vote against President Trump,
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he didn't always publicly hate President Trump.
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Actually, back when he ran in 2012, he welcomed President Trump's endorsement.
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There are some things that you just can't imagine happening in your life.
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Being in Donald Trump's magnificent hotel and having his endorsement is a delight.
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I'm so honored and pleased to have his endorsement.
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And, of course, I'm looking for the endorsement of the people of Nevada.
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And Donald Trump has shown an extraordinary ability to understand how our economy works to create jobs for the American people.
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He understands that our economy is facing threats from abroad.
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He's one of the few people who stood up and said, you know what, China has been cheating.
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We have to have a president who will stand up to cheaters.
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I spent my life in the private sector, not quite as successful as this guy, but successful nonetheless,
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sufficiently successful to understand what it takes to get America to be the most attractive place in the world
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for innovators, entrepreneurs, and business and job creators.
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So I want to say thank you to Donald Trump for his endorsement.
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It means a great deal to me to have the endorsement of Mr. Trump and people across this country who care about the future of America.
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It means a great deal to get Donald Trump's endorsement.
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Because Donald Trump has done a whole lot better in business than Mitt Romney, not my words, Mitt's.
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Because Donald Trump, beyond his business success, has a keen understanding of our economic problems.
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He has a keen understanding of our foreign policy.
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This was no ordinary endorsement when Trump agrees to endorse Romney.
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Romney gets up there and gives a full-throated endorsement right back of Donald Trump.
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Because Romney was getting something for it at the time.
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Because Romney was personally benefiting from it.
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But then later on, not, what, three, four years later, he contradicted every single one of those words.
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His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University.
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His foreign policies would make America and the world less safe.
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He has neither the temperament nor the judgment to be president.
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And his personal qualities would mean that America would cease to be a shining city on a hill.
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His bankruptcies have crushed small businesses and the men and women who work for them.
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And then there's Trump Magazine and Trump Vodka and Trump Steaks and Trump Mortgage.
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Well, he's more successful in business than you, Mitt.
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That's according to your own words from three years earlier.
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If Trump isn't a business genius, then are you a business dunce?
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It's an amazing speech that he gave during the 2016 election.
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Because it's not just that he says, hey, I really don't like this guy.
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He goes through his past endorsement of Donald Trump point by point and says the opposite of everything he said then.
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Three, four years earlier, he said, Donald Trump is a great businessman, a better businessman than me.
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Then he says Donald Trump is a business failure.
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Three years, four years earlier, he said, Donald Trump knows how to deal with China,
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knows how to deal with our foreign adversaries.
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Donald Trump's foreign policy would be a disaster.
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Four years earlier, he says Donald Trump's economic policies are wonderful.
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Four years later, Donald Trump's economic policies would lead to recession.
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So he was either lying then in 2012, or he was lying in 2016, or somewhere in that three or four year period,
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everything wonderful about Donald Trump that Mitt Romney had praised completely fell apart.
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Mitt Romney then goes back and thanks the president.
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Embraces the president's support when he was running for senator in Utah just a couple years ago.
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I hope that over the course of the campaign, I also earn the support and endorsement of the people of Utah.
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Well, if he's a fraud, if he's a disaster, if he's a con man,
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You welcome the support of con men who would destroy our country,
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whose economic policies would lead to recession,
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Politicians, politics makes strange bedfellows.
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There are a lot of politicians who are empty suits.
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But then don't stand up there and pretend to be the standard-bearer of conservatism,
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to pretend to be purer than the newly driven snow.
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The House impeachment managers did not make a single argument that the president committed an impeachable offense.
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It matters because he had to get that last nip at the only thing that Mitt Romney had the power to do
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was to try to make it look as though this was a bipartisan impeachment process.
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535 members of Congress, one Republican, that one Republican was the one who voted for this.
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I think it was out of petty, personal animosity.
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But that's fine because we're just moving right along.
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And there was a news report last night that President Trump is considering issuing an executive order
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It's actually only being discussed in architectural blogs.
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But it is maybe the most important executive order of my lifetime that we will ever see.
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This executive order that President Trump is considering is called the
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Make Federal Buildings Beautiful Again executive order.
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I have been in Washington, D.C. for three weeks now filming the Verdict podcast with Ted Cruz.
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I love being in Washington because in certain areas of D.C. the architecture is really beautiful.
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You walk by all of these beautiful classical buildings.
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You walk by some of the buildings that were built in the 60s, 70s, 80s.
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Some built in that brutalist style of architecture, which is just ugly.
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President Trump is considering passing an executive order mandating a return to classical architectural
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He wants to stop wasting your taxpayer money on ugly buildings.
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So the draft of the executive order is, the classical architectural style shall be the
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preferred and default style for new and upgraded federal buildings.
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It suggests that we should have buildings that remind us of the classical models of Democratic
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And we had this for the early buildings in Washington, D.C., and then a bunch of lunatics decided
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In 1962, the federal government issued the Guiding Principles for Federal Architecture.
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And what the Guiding Principles said was that, quote, an official style must be avoided.
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Went on, it said, design must flow from the architectural profession to the government and not vice
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So whatever artists want to make of our federal buildings, that's what they should be able
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Now, of course, that doesn't make sense because the federal government is hiring the artists.
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But what the order more or less said was federal buildings should look hip and modern and avant-garde
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So the draft document uses these words, dignity, enterprise, vigor, stability, and declares officially
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that brutalist and deconstructivist styles of architecture, those just ugly styles from
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the 70s, quote, fail to satisfy these requirements and shall not be used.
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You know, the great Roger Scruton, who just died recently, but he was maybe the greatest
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living conservative philosopher, he didn't spend all his time talking about tax policy
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Edmund Burke, who was the first modern conservative philosopher, he was an aesthetic philosopher.
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Roger Scruton said that the way to make people want to conserve their culture and their country
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A great example of this is when you get into New York.
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If you get into New York on the east side, you enter Grand Central Station.
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It's built in the Beaux-Arts style of architecture.
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On the other side of town, on the west side, you get into the new Penn Station, which is
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And you enter New York at Penn feeling like a rat.
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I mean, I think conservatives were so pragmatic sometimes that we just care about lowering
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our taxes, getting to keep our guns, and moving on with our lives.
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But when we look around us, that affects how we feel.
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Our environment affects how we feel, how we behave, how we feel about ourselves and about
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There's a reason people come from all over the country to look at those big, beautiful
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They don't go over to those ugly, brutalist office buildings, do they?
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Anyway, what this shows me, it relates to the point on Mitt Romney, is that Donald Trump
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gets it, whether he drafted this or he told some guy to draft this or he merely hired the
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In the White House, there is an understanding or an intuition of a real depth of conservatism
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here that technocrat liberals like Mitt Romney just do not possess, are not capable of possessing.
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I would say other than saving all those babies, which President Trump's policies have done,
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he's been the most pro-life president we've ever had, and every one of those human lives
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that's saved, those innocent lives that are saved because of those policies are worth more
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But other than that work, this could be the most important thing that the president does
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It changes our perspective on how we look at it.
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There's a relationship between the good, the true, and the beautiful.
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I so, so strongly encourage President Trump to come out with his executive order.
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No other conservative politician in my lifetime has suggested anything like it.
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And it really, really matters because beauty matters.
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And I guess Trump would be the guy to do this because Trump's a real estate developer.
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And if that is, frankly, if that is all we get out of the Trump administration, if he doesn't
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even build the wall but he just builds beautiful buildings in Washington, D.C., that would be
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We've got to get to Andrew Yang reminding us not to trust the left even when they're kind of
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Andrew Yang has come out and reminded us of why, no matter how fun or wacky or out there
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Andrew Yang said something that was true and important and interesting in this debate over
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A key question is whether big tech companies are publishers or platforms.
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So if they're publishers, then they need to be held responsible for the content that goes
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out on their platform, and they can curate and they can censor, but they also have to
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be responsible for copyright infringement, intellectual property, right?
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If they're a platform, if they're just neutral, then they can't be censoring people.
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They can't be completely curating and censoring their content.
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Andrew Yang came out on the right side of that question.
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But then he came to the completely wrong conclusion.
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If they're watching, especially Mark Zuckerberg, what do you say to him right now?
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Say, Mark, your company is contributing to the disintegration of our democracy.
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If you're an American and a patriot and you care about the country your kids will inherit,
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then you need to have Facebook step up and say there will not be untrue political ads on your
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So Yang is acknowledging that Facebook is behaving as a publisher.
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But his solution to that is to make Facebook behave even more like a publisher and kick off
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all the people who disagree, presumably, with Andrew Yang.
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So that's the definition of our politics is that we disagree about things.
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And politics takes place in the debates between those different ideas.
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If you're going to just kick the quote unquote untrue political ideas off of Facebook, you are
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You are undermining the great American democracy that Andrew Yang says he's trying to defend.
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And this is the way that all liberals seem to go when they follow their ideas to their
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Whether they are establishment liberals like Joe Biden or wacky socialist liberals like Bernie
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Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or techno-futurist liberals like Andrew Yang.
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It all seems to converge on this point of liberalism being the only valid viewpoint.
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And any viewpoint that contradicts liberalism has got to be gotten rid of.
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Well, my first preference is to sit down with a major organization like Facebook and say,
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But if they don't want to do the right thing, then we have a legislature for a reason.
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We should just pass a law saying Facebook should not have verifiably false political
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And if they do, then they should pay a penalty accordingly.
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What is verifiably false political advertising?
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If I come out and say, we need to lower taxes or the economy is not going to grow.
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A lot of liberals would say it's verifiably false.
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And they'll pull up a ton of statistics and a ton of studies to show that what I said is
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What if a liberal comes out and says, we need to raise taxes because that'll be really good
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I could pull out a lot of statistics and a lot of studies on that too.
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And then we could debate it and argue about it.
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Once we get past the statistics, we'll get down to first principles and the actual philosophical
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And what Andrew Yang wants to do is kick one of those points of view off of Facebook.
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And I suspect it's not going to be his point of view that he's kicking off.
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It's probably going to be something closer to my point of view.
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Listen to the way he talks about it, how cavalier he is.
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Look, I would sit down Mark Zuckerberg and I'd say, hey, buster, I know you operate a private
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I know you're trying to foster the new public square, but I need you to shut up my political
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And then if he doesn't do him the favor, he's going to force him through the federal government.
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During this 2020 campaign, conservatives have variously flirted with different candidates.
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So some people got a real kick out of Andrew Yang.
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Some people got a kick out of Tulsi Gabbard because Tulsi went after Hillary Clinton.
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There are other reasons that people would flirt with Tulsi Gabbard.
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I mean, conservatives sometimes were a little gullible.
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Mitt Romney, maybe the most persistent, vindictive, petty opponent of the president in the whole
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country, in many ways more than Hillary Clinton.
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Mitt Romney was our Republican nominee for president eight years ago.
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That's why I've worked for two of his opponents.
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We should not allow ourselves to be duped over and over again.
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We've got a really nice period of conservative governance.
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There are certain things that I don't agree with that the Trump administration has done.
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That jailbreak bill, prison reform that he keeps touting, I don't like that.
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A few other things he's done that I just don't really like.
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But on the whole, this has been the most conservative administration in modern times.
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I think we should encourage those victories, especially on something as profound and conservative
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and esoteric and out of left field as making buildings beautiful again.
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We need to encourage that, that kind of governance.
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We need to be very wary of these political wolves in sheep's clothing, whether that be the kind
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through enough questions, so I'm going to burn through this mailbag.
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Dear Michael, why do leftists think that President Trump is trying to destroy the Constitution?
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All I see is the left trying to squash free speech, cancel history, take away gun rights,
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I'm very well aware of Trump derangement syndrome, but I just can't see why they think our president
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Yes, this is puzzling to a lot of people, that Nancy Pelosi and House Democrats, whose often
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explicit stated purpose is to undermine our Constitution, why they're now wrapping themselves
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in the Constitution as they fight President Trump, who himself is defending the Constitution.
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The reason is, the left is not actually talking about the Constitution.
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When the left says they want to defend the Constitution, they're just using the Constitution as a synonym
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It's the same thing when the left talks about Christianity.
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Very often, they'll make disingenuous arguments.
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Atheists, secular leftists, will make these disingenuous arguments about how conservative Christians
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But the leftist atheists don't know anything about Christianity, and they don't respect Christianity,
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They just use it as a synonym for something good to show your own hypocrisy.
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It's the same way when liberals call conservatives racists, without any evidence that they're racists
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They're just using racist as a synonym for bad.
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I'll never forget, there was this left-wing commentator who went on David Webb's radio show
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and called him, said that he had white privilege, implied that he was a racist.
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I guess the liberal caller had never Googled David Webb because David Webb is a black man.
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Obviously, she had no evidence that he was some kind of bigot.
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There's a kind of silver lining here, which is that at least sometimes the left is using terms like the Constitution as a good thing.
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Like, I'd rather them say the Constitution is a good thing, even if they don't believe it, than openly come out and say that they hate the Constitution.
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They're not talking about the things they're talking about.
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And really what it all comes down to is the self.
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They rewrite the Constitution to mean whatever I want.
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They rewrite Christianity to mean whatever I want.
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It's a religion of the self, and it all comes down to pride.
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Is there a difference in benefit between reading a physical book, using a Kindle, reading on a computer, or using a book-on-tape audiobook?
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Some recommend audiobooks because you can play it at one-and-a-half speed and absorb the most information.
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I have a hunch that a physical book is best since that's been tried and true for thousands of years.
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Yes, I have many thoughts on this because I read a ton of physical books and audiobooks and e-books.
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I have found biographies are great on audiobook.
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They're also good if you physically read it, but you can follow them on audiobook.
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Some poetry, you've got to read them in the physical book.
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You've got to see how it's laid out on the page.
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But other poetry, I think of the foundational poems of our civilization, the Iliad and the Odyssey, ancient Greek poems.
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I much prefer them on audiobook because actually that's how they were meant to be consumed.
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Maybe that's helpful, but really they're meant to be seen in the theater.
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It totally depends on the particular work that you're talking about.
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And so I wouldn't have a hard and fast rule for all texts.
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That's usually an unsuccessful way to approach art.
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I would do it text by text and try the way that makes the most sense for that particular work.
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who is the most overrated American political figure?
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Bonus question, who was the worst American president?
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There is a little bit of a recent history bias.
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We always think that the guy who came before is the worst and that's just because we've recently experienced it.
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And then with time, they tend to look a little bit better.
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He actually is the worst president, I think, in American history.
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And I think that history will not be very kind to him.
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The only skill that he had going into the 2008 presidential election was that people said he gave good speeches.
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He wasn't a great business leader, wasn't a great academic, wasn't some great lawyer.
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His only credential was that he was a community organizer, whatever that means.
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And he was in the Illinois State Senate and he barely showed up to vote there.
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And then he was in the U.S. Senate for two and a half seconds and he ran for president.
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And so the only reason that people really gave for him being this great political figure is that he gave good speeches.
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The speech that made him famous was a speech at the Democratic National Convention where he said,
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there is no such thing as a red America and a blue America, black America and a white America.
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There's the United States of America, which is perfectly true.
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I agree with the statement, but that's not exactly soaring rhetoric.
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And frankly, that was one of the best speeches he gave.
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It's an irony he's considered this great orator, and the reality hasn't really backed that up.
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So even on the one skill he allegedly had going in to the presidency, it just doesn't hold up.
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We ended 2019 with a debate over internet porn that split the right around the question of the level of government involvement in the culture.
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You came out strongly against the libertarian-minded right-wingers and supported the idea of a government that engages the culture to promote the good.
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My question is the ultimate and most important question within the debate.
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Can the market alone provide us with enough libs to own, or does the government have a duty and responsibility to provide us with them as well?
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Wow, that is a profound question that I did not see it going in that direction.
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Does the government have a role in providing us libs to own, or will the market naturally provide enough libs to own?
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This is an area where markets are really, really efficient.
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The government cannot get involved in owning the libs because of the 13th Amendment.
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We're not allowed to own people, obviously, according to the government.
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But the libs are a sort of special case because they offer themselves to be owned so often.
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You saw this most especially this week from the House Democrats at the State of the Union where Nancy Pelosi was just sitting up there muttering to herself because the president had driven her so crazy.
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And you saw this in the impeachment trial where all the Democrat libs and that one Republican libs, Mitt Romney, just got totally, totally owned.
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I mean, there were so many that even one of the Republicans became a lib and got owned.
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We need to reduce regulation and allow the invisible hand to allow us to keep drinking from that leftist here's Tumblr.
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From John, I know you have an appreciation for several modern movies.
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My question is, are there any modern music artists that you particularly enjoy?
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In many ways, you might not expect this from me because I'm just, you know, I listen mostly to classical music and old music.
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Do you think the division between the left and the right has any chance of being mitigated?
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I see a real contempt from both sides for their opponents.
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I'm not sure the problem will do anything but worsen.
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I do see a lot of rancor and polarization, but I don't think it's equal on both sides.
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I think that the left, broadly, seems to despise the right.
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She called the right deplorable and irredeemable.
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And they call us racists and awful and terrible.
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And, I mean, you remember there was some kid from Covington High School showed up on the National Mall wearing a Make America Great Again hat,
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minding his own business, starts getting verbal abuse from adults, a black supremacist,
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and some Native American activist banging a drum in his face.
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And the mainstream media pilloried the kid, said that he had the most punchable face he ever saw.
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So I think the left really doesn't like the right very much.
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I don't think they have a genuine disdain or contempt for our left-wing friends.
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We've got to keep fighting that cultural fight.
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But in war and in politics, your opponent, your adversary, gets a say in that.
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There will be a swing back in the other direction.
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A lot of that will come down to the 2020 election.
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If the left is rewarded for its radical, contemptuous behavior, then we'll get more of it.
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If the left is totally smacked down, very likely they'll change course.
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Dear Michael, my family is likely plagued by demons or cursed.
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I weep to say so, but I am related to people who have done some frankly terrifying things to other family members.
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But sometimes I have urges to commit violence upon both my family and those around me.
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I've never told anyone of these thoughts because I'm worried of how others would think of me.
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I am a deeply faithful Christian, but I sometimes doubt that I'm truly saved of these thoughts that plagued me.
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Am I truly saved of such dark thoughts invade my mind at times, even if I never will act on them?
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All right, you should immediately go see two people.
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You should go see a psychologist and a Catholic priest.
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Because I think a lot of people, if you talk to secular people with this problem,
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they will dismiss out of hand that there's any such thing as demonic obsession or spiritual malignance or malevolence.
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They'll say, oh no, that's all just made up fantasy stuff.
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You've just got some psychological problems, so only deal with it that way.
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Now, if you deal with some people who are religiously eccentric or zealous, they might say, oh, psychology is a bunch of bunk.
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This is all spiritual, so go just deal with the spiritual part.
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The reality is that the human person is both spirit, soul, and body.
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And I don't know which it is in your case, and you don't know which it is, and that's why you need professional help.
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So I would go and first try to make sure that this is not just a psychological problem that you can work out through therapy or through some other intervention.
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I say Catholic priest because the Catholics have a long track record here.
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So even if you were not Catholic yourself, they've got a long track record thinking about these kind of spiritual questions.
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And I think that would be helpful to you, and you'd probably get the most information that way.
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Because there is more between heaven and earth than are dreamt of in our philosophy.
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And also modern medical science has advanced to a point that you hopefully will be able to diagnose these things.
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You're not going to diagnose them, though, by keeping them to yourself or even just talking to me.
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You'll have to talk to people who are expert in that question.
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So I wish you the best of luck and have courage, both physical courage and spiritual courage.
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I am coming back to La La Land, flying back to the West Coast.
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You should check out the latest episode of my podcast with Senator Ted Cruz, Verdict, to hear about the future of that podcast.
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