The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 502 - Mass (Media-Generated) Hysteria

00:00:00.260 Coronavirus reaches the U.S. President Trump is playing it down. Democrats are playing it up.

00:00:06.700 And no one can tell if this is much ado about nothing or if we're all going to die.

00:00:11.120 We will examine the mass media generated hysteria.

00:00:15.000 Then, speaking of not knowing whether you're alive or dead,

00:00:18.260 Joe Biden's presidential campaign gets some good poll news out of South Carolina.

00:00:22.760 Two different kinds of Republicans are voting for Bernie Sanders.

00:00:26.520 And finally, the mailbag. I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:00:30.000 Coronavirus has reached the U.S.

00:00:38.820 We now have one confirmed case, and nobody knows what to think about this.

00:00:44.320 Is this the end of the world, or is this not such a big deal?

00:00:48.280 The first case in the U.S. is in Solano County, California.

00:00:53.820 So that's in Northern California by San Francisco and Sacramento, that area.

00:00:57.600 The scary thing is, we have no idea how this individual got coronavirus.

00:01:04.880 This person did not recently travel to a foreign country.

00:01:07.620 This person did not recently have contact with someone who is known to have had the virus.

00:01:11.920 So that is rightly freaking a lot of people out.

00:01:15.300 Plus, it's spreading around the world.

00:01:16.660 So you've got people under quarantine in New York.

00:01:19.200 You've got half of Italy's regions now infected by this.

00:01:22.960 The markets are tanking.

00:01:25.260 If you are invested in the stock market, this is not a very good day.

00:01:28.720 And so President Trump, first of all, is trying to assure everybody that everything is just fine.

00:01:33.760 He's trying to downplay all of this.

00:01:36.200 Now, obviously, that's what he would do.

00:01:38.800 The question is, is it real or is it not?

00:01:40.820 Is this a huge deal?

00:01:41.680 Is this not a huge deal?

00:01:42.680 Well, President Trump says that the reason everybody's freaking out is because the Democrats are exploiting this and creating a panic for political advantage.

00:01:51.820 What is your response to Speaker Pelosi who said earlier today, you don't know what you're talking about, about the coronavirus.

00:01:57.060 I'm also wondering if you want to address critics who can't be trusted about what your administration is saying.

00:02:01.520 Sure. 0.56

00:02:01.840 I think Speaker Pelosi's incompetent.

00:02:04.260 She lost to Congress once.

00:02:05.760 I think she's going to lose it again.

00:02:07.520 She lifted my poll numbers up 10 points.

00:02:09.940 I never thought that I would see that so quickly and so easily.

00:02:14.540 I'm leading everybody.

00:02:15.940 We're doing great.

00:02:17.200 I don't want to do it that way.

00:02:18.380 It's almost unfair if you think about it. 0.84

00:02:20.520 But I think she's incompetent. 1.00

00:02:22.160 And I think she's not thinking about the country.

00:02:24.320 And instead of making a statement like that, where I've been beating her routinely at everything, instead of making a statement like that, she should be saying we have to work together because we have a big problem potentially.

00:02:36.580 And maybe it's going to be a very little problem.

00:02:38.620 I hope that it's going to be a very little problem.

00:02:40.760 She's trying to create a panic. 0.99

00:02:43.120 And there's no reason to panic because we have done so good.

00:02:45.940 All they're trying to do is get a political advantage.

00:02:49.060 This isn't about political advantage.

00:02:50.820 We're all trying to do the right thing.

00:02:52.460 I love that President Trump takes about 40 solid seconds of just insulting Nancy Pelosi before he gets to the actual question of whether coronavirus is a huge deal.

00:03:03.760 Still, I tend to agree with what President Trump is saying here, that the Democrats and the mainstream media, but I repeat myself, are using this as an opportunity to create a panic for political advantage.

00:03:17.480 I say this without looking at any of the science, without looking at any of the studies, or at least not very many of the studies about this.

00:03:24.700 I say this simply because of the hysterical response that we've seen from the left and the media.

00:03:32.380 A great example of this is in that same press conference where President Trump goes out there.

00:03:36.000 He says he's going to address the coronavirus issue.

00:03:38.520 He says that he's now appointing a task force.

00:03:40.540 The task force is going to be run by no less an authority than the vice president of the United States, right?

00:03:47.060 So it shows he's really taking this seriously.

00:03:49.360 And the left pillories him for it.

00:03:53.760 Immediately, blue checkmark Twitter actually accused Mike Pence of spreading HIV.

00:04:01.560 Here's President Trump's announcement.

00:04:03.180 When Mike was Governor Mike Pence of Indiana, they've established great health care.

00:04:09.160 They have a great system there, a system that a lot of the other states have really looked to and changed their systems.

00:04:16.620 They wanted to base it on the Indiana system.

00:04:18.560 He's very good.

00:04:20.060 And I think he's really very expert at the field.

00:04:25.200 And what I've done is I'm going to be announcing exactly right now that I'm going to be putting our vice president, Mike Pence, in charge.

00:04:34.020 Okay, a perfectly fine statement to make is obviously doing that to show that the administration is taking this seriously.

00:04:42.320 And the left, I kid you not, is freaking out because they say Mike Pence spread HIV and AIDS throughout all of Indiana.

00:04:51.660 How are they even making that argument?

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00:05:59.380 How on earth can you accuse Mike Pence of spreading AIDS throughout Indiana?

00:06:03.860 How do you take the most kind of basic statement of, hey, look, we're taking this really seriously.

00:06:10.200 The vice president is going to be overseeing it.

00:06:12.120 How do you take that into we're going to spread coronavirus like Mike Pence spread AIDS?

00:06:17.640 So they got this idea.

00:06:20.140 They got this argument.

00:06:21.540 By twisting a vote, by twisting a political position so beyond anything that's recognizable that all you can do is laugh at them. 0.99

00:06:34.120 Mike Pence, when he was governor of Indiana, opposed a very liberal and stupid policy called needle exchanges. 0.98

00:06:41.100 Needle exchanges are when you encourage heroin addicts to shoot up more drugs because you give them the needles so that they can shoot them up. 0.99

00:06:47.880 This has been tried in a lot of cities around America.

00:06:50.220 It always spreads disease.

00:06:52.040 It always spreads crime.

00:06:53.680 It increases addiction.

00:06:55.380 It's disgusting.

00:06:56.460 I mean, the reason that you when you're walking around certain cities like San Francisco, for instance, and you see needles on the street, it's because the government is just giving them to junkies. 0.95

00:07:03.920 It's a horrible, horrible, indefensible policy.

00:07:07.200 Right.

00:07:07.360 So Mike Pence, like most other conservatives, says, yeah, it's a pretty bad policy.

00:07:11.080 I'm not going to support that.

00:07:12.020 And what the left did is they said, OK, well, if you don't support giving needles to junkies, then you are personally responsible for the opioid crisis.

00:07:22.180 You're responsible for heroin addicts shooting up.

00:07:25.060 And when they share needles, if one of them has HIV and it goes to the other one, you are responsible for that.

00:07:31.440 Next, they're going to accuse him of killing Freddie Mercury.

00:07:34.080 It doesn't make any sense at all.

00:07:36.020 And yet that is the degree of mass hysteria, mass media hysteria that the left and the blue check marks and the usual suspects are willing to go to.

00:07:46.260 So next in this press conference, already I'm pretty skeptical of the left here because they're willing to twist anything.

00:07:53.320 Next, President Trump is asked why he's treating coronavirus differently than he felt Ebola should have been treated in 2014.

00:08:02.760 You also said it was a, quote, unquote, total joke to appoint someone to lead the Ebola response with, quote, zero experience in the medical field.

00:08:10.440 Now you've appointed my test.

00:08:10.920 They listened to a lot of what I had to say.

00:08:12.640 I did.

00:08:13.160 So how does that square with what you're doing now?

00:08:14.620 They listened to a lot.

00:08:15.660 Well, because it's a much different problem than Ebola.

00:08:18.440 Ebola, you disintegrated, especially at the beginning.

00:08:21.020 They've made a lot of progress now in Ebola.

00:08:23.400 But with Ebola, we were talking about it before.

00:08:25.540 You disintegrated.

00:08:26.460 You got Ebola.

00:08:27.960 That was it.

00:08:29.240 This one is different, much different.

00:08:31.140 This is a flu.

00:08:32.040 This is like a flu.

00:08:33.920 And this is a much different situation than Ebola.

00:08:36.960 He's right.

00:08:38.240 It is different.

00:08:39.220 I mean, the imagery that Trump uses is often so vivid that it creates sort of disturbing images in your mind.

00:08:44.780 But it's true with Ebola.

00:08:45.920 You did disintegrate.

00:08:46.880 You did melt, basically.

00:08:48.160 I mean, it was a truly horrifying condition.

00:08:52.620 With coronavirus, it's different.

00:08:54.300 Coronavirus is more like a flu.

00:08:56.640 I mean, it's obviously got a significantly higher mortality rate.

00:09:00.620 But still, right now, according to all the experts, the mortality rate is about 2%.

00:09:04.740 Not good, but a lot better than 98%, right?

00:09:09.720 Coronavirus is related to other similar viruses that we've seen.

00:09:13.460 Like, you remember the SARS epidemic?

00:09:15.080 It's related to SARS.

00:09:16.360 Again, not a good thing, but the whole world survived.

00:09:18.640 That 2% mortality rate, by the way, is using data from the epicenter of this epidemic at mainland China.

00:09:26.820 So, look, it's obviously very different than Ebola.

00:09:29.760 You've got to ask yourself, when you want to judge whether this is a panic created for political advantage,

00:09:35.060 or, really, we're all going to die, or, you know, it's something in the middle.

00:09:40.820 What could President Trump have said or done that would have made the left happy?

00:09:47.500 What could he have possibly said or done in that press conference that wouldn't have been twisted as the end of the world?

00:09:53.780 Who could he have appointed?

00:09:54.740 They were all upset that he appointed Mike Pence, because Mike Pence, I guess, is the cause of AIDS or something,

00:10:01.520 whatever the left is saying today.

00:10:03.380 Let's say he appointed someone with medical experience.

00:10:06.860 Let's say he appointed Ben Carson.

00:10:08.360 Ben Carson, one of the most celebrated, renowned surgeons in the United States.

00:10:13.360 First guy to successfully separate conjoined twins who were conjoined at the head.

00:10:19.020 If they had appointed Ben Carson, can you just imagine the headlines today mocking Ben?

00:10:23.860 I mean, you don't need to imagine it. 1.00

00:10:25.300 You can remember the 2016 race, when they called him an idiot, when they called him a sellout, when they called him ignorant, right? 1.00

00:10:31.680 They can do that to a major medical figure in the United States. 1.00

00:10:36.960 They're going to do it to anybody.

00:10:38.880 What if President Trump shut down the airports?

00:10:41.660 Can you imagine the racism?

00:10:43.160 Well, one time he did block people from coming in who were in very dangerous countries, countries with a high terrorism problem.

00:10:51.080 And he was pilloried as a racist, a monster, a bigot.

00:10:53.480 They're still talking about it on the campaign trail.

00:10:56.280 What if President Trump had shut down the border?

00:10:58.320 He said, we got a global pandemic.

00:10:59.580 We're going to stop people who might be infected from coming in here.

00:11:02.040 Well, I'll tell you how the left would have reacted because Elizabeth Warren already used this point. 0.77

00:11:06.400 And she used it to make the dumbest political argument that I've heard from the Democratic presidential field in, I don't know, 24 hours or something. 1.00

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00:12:41.640 If Trump had done anything, if he had said anything, if he had appointed anybody, the left would be freaking out and saying it was the worst thing he could have done.

00:12:50.040 One obvious thing President Trump could do, which he's been trying to do since 2016, is get control of the border.

00:12:56.480 Get control of who enters and exits the United States.

00:12:59.620 Figure out, I mean, more importantly, figure out who's coming into the United States. 0.91

00:13:03.880 The reason that we need to be able to get control of the border is because, is exemplified when you've got a global pandemic like this.

00:13:13.360 So what's the argument the Democrats are making?

00:13:15.360 Elizabeth Warren at a town hall that apparently happened last night on CNN.

00:13:19.160 Nobody watched it.

00:13:20.420 Nobody paid attention.

00:13:21.160 We just can't take that much of them.

00:13:23.340 She said that the first thing she would do as president would be to take all the money that President Trump is spending on border security and put it toward researching coronavirus. 0.75

00:13:34.800 I'm going to be introducing a plan tomorrow to take every dime that the president is now spending on his racist wall at our southern border and divert it to work on the coronavirus.

00:13:45.980 Great idea, Liz.

00:13:48.140 That's what you want.

00:13:48.940 When you've got a global pandemic going on, the first thing you want to do is open up all the borders and have no idea who's coming into your country.

00:13:56.020 Brilliant.

00:13:56.600 That's the kind of Harvard education that we need to get into the White House.

00:14:01.580 This is a major problem.

00:14:03.900 I don't know if coronavirus is a major problem.

00:14:07.040 It might be.

00:14:07.720 It might not be.

00:14:08.500 As of right now, it's very unclear.

00:14:09.840 The major problem is that we can't trust the media to tell us.

00:14:16.340 We do not know right now if coronavirus is the second coming or a later coming of the bubonic plague or if it's just like the seasonal flu or cold or something.

00:14:28.780 We don't know that because our press is so corrupt.

00:14:33.060 Our press is so blindly opposed to this president that we cannot trust them to blow up something which is not a big deal into a global panic to send markets tanking all because they hate this president.

00:14:47.480 I mean we've seen this time and time again.

00:14:49.620 James O'Keefe from Project Veritas just busted an ABC reporter for admitting that he's a socialist, right?

00:14:56.340 He was caught on hidden tape.

00:14:57.860 He said, oh, yeah, I'm a total socialist.

00:14:59.540 I'm not even a democratic socialist.

00:15:01.060 I'm just a full-on socialist.

00:15:02.500 We've known this.

00:15:03.260 There's nothing really shocking about that kind of a report.

00:15:06.840 We've known that about the press for years.

00:15:09.660 But then they admit it and you think, oh, that's right.

00:15:11.440 They all have this political bias.

00:15:13.480 And some are better at hiding it than others.

00:15:16.460 CNN's Jim Acosta demonstrated this principle just the other day when he flat-out insulted the president at a news conference.

00:15:26.180 Just wanted to follow up on my colleague's question about Russian interference.

00:15:30.160 Can you pledge to the American people that you will not accept any foreign assistance in the upcoming election?

00:15:37.000 And on this idea of a purge in your administration, there was recently the departure of your acting DNI, Joseph McGuire.

00:15:44.980 You replaced him with your ambassador to Germany, Rick Grinnell.

00:15:48.620 Some of your critics have pointed out that Ambassador Grinnell has no intelligence experience.

00:15:55.080 How can you justify to the American people having an acting DNI with no intelligence experience?

00:15:59.680 Okay, first of all.

00:16:01.080 Okay.

00:16:02.080 Okay.

00:16:02.520 Excuse me.

00:16:03.160 First of all here.

00:16:04.120 So he asks a fair question, right?

00:16:07.120 By CNN standards, a fair question.

00:16:08.980 I'm not saying it's a totally fair question.

00:16:10.220 But you've got this guy, Richard Grinnell, who is a former ambassador to Germany.

00:16:15.100 He was, I think, the longest-serving spokesman ever at the UN.

00:16:19.060 And then he's in this acting position as the top spy.

00:16:24.920 Then President Trump turns it, right, to reveal, hold on, this isn't a fair question.

00:16:28.980 You're not coming from a place of good faith.

00:16:31.640 He turns the question.

00:16:32.620 He puts it back on Acosta.

00:16:33.840 I want no help from any country.

00:16:38.000 And I haven't been given help from any country.

00:16:40.740 And if you see what CNN, your wonderful network, said, I guess they apologized in a way for,

00:16:49.840 didn't they apologize for the fact that they said certain things that weren't true?

00:16:53.840 Tell me, what was their apology yesterday?

00:16:55.860 What did they say?

00:16:57.080 Okay.

00:16:57.640 So you see what Trump does here.

00:16:59.140 Trump knows that there's no win by explaining why his acting DNI is a real cool guy.

00:17:06.200 There's no win.

00:17:06.960 Any way he does it, he's on the defensive.

00:17:09.240 Acosta has set up this sort of unfair situation where Trump's got to defend a guy who's got an

00:17:14.720 unimpeachable resume.

00:17:16.240 So Trump turns it on Acosta.

00:17:18.540 But he's using very nice language.

00:17:20.100 He's using very diplomatic language.

00:17:21.400 He says, oh, you know, you at your wonderful network.

00:17:23.520 You know what you guys always do to me.

00:17:25.020 And he's needling Acosta, and he's pushing Acosta to answer a question.

00:17:30.620 And Acosta takes the bait.

00:17:32.360 Mr. President, I think our record on delivering the truth is a lot better than yours sometimes,

00:17:37.000 if you don't mind me saying.

00:17:37.940 Let me tell you about your record. 0.86

00:17:39.020 Your record is so bad, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

00:17:41.420 I'm not ashamed of anything, and our organization is not ashamed, sir.

00:17:43.080 You probably have the worst record in the history of broadcasting.

00:17:46.600 As far as McGuire is concerned, he's a terrific guy.

00:17:51.240 But, you know, on March 11th, his time ended anyway, so his time came up.

00:17:55.220 So we would have had to, by statute, we would have had to change him anyway.

00:17:59.200 Will your new DNI have experience in the intelligence field?

00:18:02.460 Yes, in fact, we're talking to five different people right now.

00:18:05.480 I think all people that you know, all people that you respect, and I'll make a decision

00:18:09.940 probably over the next week to two weeks.

00:18:12.040 We have some very good people.

00:18:13.740 Oh, look at that masterful exchange.

00:18:16.240 Did you see what he did there?

00:18:18.620 So he needles him, he's pushing him, he's pushing him, and then Jim Acosta completely

00:18:24.520 takes the bait and shows his cards.

00:18:27.740 Trump was provoking Jim Acosta here.

00:18:30.460 He was trying to get Jim Acosta to show his corruption and bias.

00:18:35.660 But then Jim Acosta did it, right?

00:18:37.760 It is absolutely, no matter what the president says, no matter what the politician that you're

00:18:41.800 interviewing says, it is absolutely not the role of the reporter to start insulting

00:18:46.700 the politician. 1.00

00:18:48.620 Oh, actually, we have a much better record on truth than you do, you idiot. 1.00

00:18:53.100 You dumb, I hate you. 1.00

00:18:55.020 I hate you, Mr. President. 1.00

00:18:56.960 That's, it's so pathetic. 1.00

00:18:58.360 Chris, Chris Wallace at Fox News, who is, I believe he is a Democrat. 0.98

00:19:02.860 He said off the record, you know, this has been reported in some of the press, that he was

00:19:07.780 so embarrassed by that answer.

00:19:10.020 I mean, what a humiliating answer for the journalistic profession from Jim Acosta there to just start

00:19:16.040 insulting the president.

00:19:17.920 But we know this, right?

00:19:19.360 So what President Trump does, starts out, it's a sort of fair question.

00:19:23.580 Then Jim Acosta reveals that he's just an anti-Trump operative.

00:19:27.640 And then at the end, you saw President Trump turns it again and starts giving a real answer.

00:19:31.720 He says, no, you know, look, but we're going to interview some good people.

00:19:34.280 We got all people I think you're really going to like.

00:19:36.080 So on the bookends, the beginning and the end of Trump's performance look really good.

00:19:40.500 And in the middle, what President Trump did was get the press to reveal how much they

00:19:44.800 hate him.

00:19:46.180 That tarnishes their credibility, and it's their fault that they're doing it.

00:19:50.220 They're the ones giving up their credibility.

00:19:52.000 So now we can't even know if we're all going to die from coronavirus or if it's really no

00:19:56.360 big deal.

00:19:57.560 Moving on to the 2020 race, we also don't really know what's going on there because we're

00:20:04.040 getting a lot of conflicting polls.

00:20:06.200 Joe Biden, we thought, was down and out.

00:20:07.860 I mean, he's pretty much just muttering to himself on stage at the last debate.

00:20:11.180 And yet, all hope might not be lost for Joe because there is a new poll that's come out

00:20:18.320 from Clemson.

00:20:19.380 There's a poll that came out yesterday.

00:20:21.280 Joe Biden, according to this poll, has an 18-point lead in South Carolina.

00:20:27.360 The numbers are Biden, 35 percent, Steyer, 17 percent.

00:20:33.960 You forgot that guy was even in the race.

00:20:35.820 Sanders, 13 percent, Warren and Buttigieg, 8 percent, Klobuchar, 4 percent.

00:20:44.860 That is a very sizable lead for Joe Biden, which means that Biden actually might be back

00:20:50.080 in this race.

00:20:50.700 On top of that, Mike Bloomberg is stalling.

00:20:52.500 So right now, after his very poor debate performances, it looks as though his national

00:20:57.580 polls have stalled out or they've actually begun to reverse themselves.

00:21:00.780 In California right now, Bloomberg is back down at 11 percent.

00:21:04.500 In Super Tuesday states, he's down.

00:21:08.060 He's in the teens and he's in the low 20s.

00:21:10.200 That's not enough to take him to the nomination.

00:21:12.760 So Bernie, or Biden rather, might have the moderate lane.

00:21:16.420 This is causing a lot of Republicans to vote for Bernie Sanders.

00:21:20.700 And I don't mean they're just rooting for Bernie Sanders.

00:21:23.820 I mean, they are going out in the open primaries where Republicans can vote for Democrats and

00:21:28.660 voting for Bernie Sanders.

00:21:30.440 There was actually a video that was leaked from some Trump supporters that came out yesterday.

00:21:34.420 The never Trump Republicans are all upset about this.

00:21:37.160 This came out yesterday where these mischievous Republicans were arguing all of their for all

00:21:43.900 of their fellow Republicans to go out and vote for Bernie in the nomination so that

00:21:47.820 Trump can clobber him in November.

00:21:49.400 Are you a supporter of President Trump?

00:21:51.920 Are you a registered voter in South Carolina?

00:21:54.320 Hi, I'm Karen with the Spartanburg Tea Party.

00:21:56.540 And I'm Stacey, a grassroots activist.

00:21:58.860 South Carolina Republicans have waited since 2016 to vote again for President Trump.

00:22:04.180 With no Republican primary in South Carolina, voters will have to wait until November to

00:22:08.940 cast a vote for our president.

00:22:10.480 But there's still a way South Carolina Republicans can support President Trump.

00:22:14.580 Even after losing in Iowa and New Hampshire, Joe Biden is still the favorite in South Carolina.

00:22:19.560 We all know that the DNC and the Democrat establishment do not want the independent

00:22:24.200 senator from Vermont as their nominee.

00:22:26.760 We're asking South Carolina Republicans to show their support for President Trump by crossing

00:22:31.360 over and voting in the Democratic primary for Senator Bernie Sanders.

00:22:35.500 We feel this may help move the needle in closing our primaries in South Carolina.

00:22:39.040 Now, help us help President Trump by going to your polling location on Saturday, February

00:22:44.060 29th and voting for independent Bernie Sanders to be the Democrat nominee.

00:22:49.260 What have I been telling you?

00:22:53.200 I've been telling you to do exactly the same thing, and I'm so glad that they are backing

00:22:56.840 me up on this.

00:22:58.040 Some of the never-Trump Republicans, Bill Kristol in particular was posting this around,

00:23:03.160 were saying that this is terrible, nefarious, it's a smoking gun.

00:23:07.880 This is perfectly legal.

00:23:09.800 This isn't violating any laws.

00:23:11.840 People do this all the time.

00:23:13.060 Whether or not it actually affects elections, I'm a little more skeptical of that.

00:23:17.040 It's hard enough to get people to come out and vote for their own party to get them to

00:23:20.080 go re-register, go show up to another primary.

00:23:22.720 I don't think it actually works that much, but I understand why these Republicans want

00:23:27.120 Bernie to get the nomination, because I do think increasingly it's likely that Trump will

00:23:33.120 sweep them all.

00:23:34.620 Now, if the economy totally tanks, I guess it's anybody's ballgame.

00:23:37.980 So there is some risk, especially as coronavirus is going around.

00:23:41.020 But even so, I don't think that America is ready to vote for a very elderly socialist.

00:23:48.180 So that's the one kind of Republican that is voting for Bernie Sanders.

00:23:53.620 There is another kind of Republican voting for Bernie Sanders.

00:23:56.880 And if you think that the logic of those Tea Party activists is a little kooky, just wait

00:24:02.680 until you hear the illogic of the never-Trump Republicans.

00:24:05.280 There is an op-ed right now in the Washington Post by Joe Walsh.

00:24:10.960 I know Joe Walsh.

00:24:13.000 He's always been nice to me.

00:24:14.280 I've interviewed him on the radio.

00:24:16.860 But Joe Walsh has lost it a little bit.

00:24:19.960 He's gone off the deep end.

00:24:21.620 He was a major, he actually supported Trump in 2016.

00:24:24.880 Then he became sort of the never-Trump Republican.

00:24:27.920 He ran for president.

00:24:29.020 He just dropped out.

00:24:31.400 Joe Walsh writes this piece, quote,

00:24:34.460 I'm no fan of Bernie Sanders, but never-Trump means never-Trump.

00:24:40.360 Sorry, GOP outcasts, but sometimes Trump just doesn't cut it.

00:24:45.420 Now, Joe, I actually want to read right below the byline.

00:24:50.580 It says, Joe Walsh is a former Illinois congressman and the author of F, they spell it all out, 1.00

00:24:55.740 silence, calling Trump out for the cultish, moronic, authoritarian con man he is. 1.00

00:25:00.980 I love that. 1.00

00:25:01.480 They say, I hate that this effing Trump is so effing vulgar. 1.00

00:25:07.240 I hate that he's such a name-calling moron jerk. 1.00

00:25:10.980 You know, you're sort of doing the things you're accusing him of doing. 1.00

00:25:14.380 But anyway, this is his logic.

00:25:16.940 And it shows you the moral error that is at the heart, not just of never-Trump,

00:25:21.880 but of any political position that backs you into an untenable corner.

00:25:26.620 He writes, quote,

00:25:27.220 This isn't complicated. Never-Trump has always been a straightforward concept.

00:25:32.440 The word never is right there in the name.

00:25:34.600 But with Senator Bernie Sanders moving ahead of the pack as the clear frontrunner in this year's Democratic presidential primaries,

00:25:39.820 some of my Republican and ex-Republican brethren have started implying that what never-Trump actually meant was something more like,

00:25:46.560 Fingers crossed, I really, really hope not Trump, but I guess sometimes Trump,

00:25:50.960 if Democrats wind up nominating a self-described Democratic socialist.

00:25:54.360 But that's not how it works.

00:25:56.280 When I finally came around to saying never-Trump, I meant it.

00:26:02.000 Never-Trump means that you still believe in the Constitution.

00:26:05.720 It means you knew what Benjamin Franklin meant when he warned that we Americans have been blessed with a republic if you can keep it.

00:26:12.480 It means you recognize that Trump is enough of a threat to our founding principles that you won't vote for him under any circumstances.

00:26:19.340 And, at least to me, it also means you'll suck it up and support his Democrat opponent, no matter who that is.

00:26:25.260 No. Do you know what it means?

00:26:27.620 It means you made a mistake and you're too prideful to admit it.

00:26:31.640 That's what never-Trump means today.

00:26:33.860 I'm not saying that's what never-Trump meant in 2016.

00:26:36.780 There were a lot of open questions about President Trump.

00:26:39.140 But today, never-Trump means that you made a mistake, you made a miscalculation,

00:26:46.020 circumstances were not as you predicted and they actually worked out pretty well,

00:26:50.060 but you have too much pride to admit that you were wrong.

00:26:55.260 Never-Trump means you still believe in the Constitution.

00:26:58.680 First of all, the never-Trump forces have been consistently undermining the Constitution

00:27:03.060 since before the 2016 election to try to get that guy removed from office, extra-constitutionally.

00:27:09.720 Benjamin Franklin warned Americans.

00:27:11.960 Do you think that Benjamin Franklin would prefer an America-hating, America-blaming socialist like

00:27:19.420 Bernie Sanders over Donald Trump?

00:27:23.060 What, because Donald Trump has sort of boorish behavior?

00:27:25.740 Have you ever read about Benjamin Franklin?

00:27:27.700 Do you know how that man behaved?

00:27:29.300 Have you read his autobiography?

00:27:30.980 He's a little bit of a libertine sometimes, okay?

00:27:33.540 Come on.

00:27:35.340 It means you won't vote under any circumstances.

00:27:37.980 It means you'll vote for a socialist.

00:27:40.040 I guess that is what it means.

00:27:41.720 He actually says it right here in the article.

00:27:43.680 I hate to break it to you, but if you're really never Trump, then you know there's no

00:27:47.580 except if he's a socialist footnote.

00:27:49.560 So then what's it about?

00:27:51.560 Because I thought the good argument for not voting for Trump if you're a conservative in 2016

00:27:56.180 was that you thought he would be more left-wing than Hillary Clinton.

00:28:01.640 Was that a convincing argument?

00:28:03.180 No.

00:28:03.960 But there was a possibility there.

00:28:06.780 He had donated to a lot of Democrats.

00:28:08.380 He had described himself as very, very pro-choice.

00:28:11.320 There was a real fear that he was this left-wing guy and that if you had a left-wing guy take

00:28:16.200 over the Republican Party, that would be very bad and so we don't want to do that.

00:28:19.460 Okay.

00:28:20.100 I get that argument.

00:28:21.220 It's something to it.

00:28:23.180 But if the only argument for never Trump is that you don't like the mean tweets, you

00:28:31.380 think he doesn't talk right, you think he's a little too boorish, and then you're willing

00:28:37.700 to vote for a socialist instead, you have completely lost the narrative.

00:28:41.320 You have completely lost the point of politics.

00:28:43.100 It has just become for you about manners, about a kind of performance, but it's not about the

00:28:48.760 real substantive issues underneath.

00:28:50.140 Trump has been the most conservative president, not only in my lifetime, probably the most

00:28:54.540 conservative president since Calvin Coolidge.

00:28:58.340 It's pretty good.

00:28:59.260 Can't you take a win?

00:29:00.140 If you're willing to vote for a socialist over that, were you ever a conservative in the

00:29:03.720 first place?

00:29:05.600 Maybe you were, but certainly what has happened to you is you have been so warped by pride

00:29:10.980 that your view of politics is now utterly unreliable.

00:29:14.920 Look, just very quickly, before we get to the mailbag, there was a progressive think

00:29:20.460 tanks analysis that just came out over Bernie's plans.

00:29:24.560 This is, it's actually called the Progressive Policy Institute.

00:29:28.220 Bernie's plans would cost over 10 years, you know how much?

00:29:32.500 $50 trillion with a T.

00:29:37.180 The federal budget is $4.5 trillion each year.

00:29:41.960 This would double the size of the government, of the federal government.

00:29:47.260 It would cost $15 trillion more over 10 years than the next most radical candidate, which

00:29:52.460 is Elizabeth Warren, and it would cost $42 trillion more than the third most expensive

00:30:00.260 Democratic candidate, Mayor Pete Buttigieg.

00:30:02.680 Now, I actually don't think that kind of accounting matters all that much, because I think for most

00:30:09.300 people, you hear a big number and you say, all big numbers are the same.

00:30:12.000 Yeah, it's a really, really big number.

00:30:13.320 It's something that ends in an ilion, right?

00:30:15.500 It's bean counting.

00:30:16.360 You don't win arguments from bean counting, especially not to beat a guy like Bernie Sanders,

00:30:20.560 who's making moral arguments.

00:30:22.960 Okay, you've got to make the moral arguments yourself.

00:30:25.900 Elizabeth Warren made this mistake the other night.

00:30:27.560 She said, look, I love Bernie's policies, but I'm going to implement them better.

00:30:31.160 I'm, I'll implement them more efficiently.

00:30:33.880 Nobody votes for efficiency.

00:30:35.280 Nobody votes for a better manager.

00:30:36.900 That doesn't rouse you and send you to the polls.

00:30:39.380 We're voting for a cause.

00:30:40.440 We're voting for a vision.

00:30:42.180 All right, the argument against socialism has to be moral.

00:30:46.000 And if you're, if you're just making arguments from bean counting or efficiency, if you're

00:30:49.880 making arguments because of how you don't like the guy's tweets, you've lost the narrative

00:30:54.700 and you need to get serious.

00:30:56.300 We need to get serious too into this mailbag.

00:30:57.920 But first I got to say goodbye to Facebook and YouTube first, before we go, go buy Matt

00:31:03.620 Walsh's book, Church of Cowards.

00:31:05.740 Very important book right now.

00:31:08.000 You've got Christians being martyred in the Middle East.

00:31:10.340 You've got Christians in America who aren't even willing to voice their opinion because 1.00

00:31:13.940 they're afraid of not getting invited to a few parties or something. 0.98

00:31:17.160 Church of Cowards.

00:31:18.260 Go get it.

00:31:19.040 You can get it at Amazon, Barnes and Noble, anywhere that you get fine, fine conservative

00:31:24.480 books.

00:31:25.160 Super Tuesday.

00:31:25.860 Leave that night open.

00:31:27.040 We will be with you smoking stogies, drinking too much whiskey and following the results

00:31:34.380 all night.

00:31:35.540 We will be there and set your clock for many, many hours.

00:31:39.060 We're going to be doing all of that.

00:31:40.620 And then by the way, on leap day, which comes around once every four years, head over to

00:31:45.800 the Daily Wire.

00:31:46.480 We have got a very, very special deal coming for you.

00:31:49.280 So you're not going to want to miss that because if you miss it, it's going to take another

00:31:52.860 four years.

00:31:53.520 And by then I think global warming will have done us in.

00:31:55.900 And there'll be a lot of, there'll be a lot of world problems.

00:31:57.740 So make sure you get it now.

00:32:00.080 Dailywire.com.

00:32:01.300 We'll be right back with the mailbag.

00:32:02.580 First question from Golda.

00:32:17.260 Dear Mr. Knowles, what is the difference between love and infatuation?

00:32:22.180 How can I tell if he's the one?

00:32:23.920 Thank you.

00:32:25.320 What a brilliant question. 0.99

00:32:26.700 This is something that people no longer understand because we use stupid slogans like love is 0.99

00:32:31.680 love as though that tells us anything about politics or love or philosophy or ourselves. 0.99

00:32:36.760 There is a big difference between love and infatuation.

00:32:41.260 Infatuation, another term for that would be sentimentality.

00:32:44.680 It's like, it's like that real sugary, Hallmark, Cardi kind of love.

00:32:50.440 But it's not really love.

00:32:53.640 Infatuation is all about you.

00:32:57.520 Love is all about the other person.

00:33:00.600 So we all knew this person when we were in school.

00:33:03.600 There was a girl who just always needed to have a boyfriend. 0.97

00:33:06.780 And whatever boyfriend she had was always like the greatest guy in the world.

00:33:09.720 And he had all the greatest qualities.

00:33:11.480 And he was just like a, he's a hero.

00:33:13.880 He was a god, right?

00:33:15.180 And then they would break up and she'd get a new boyfriend. 0.80

00:33:16.740 And then the new boyfriend was exactly the same thing.

00:33:18.780 It's because with infatuation, what you are doing is you are really in love with the idea

00:33:24.940 of being in love.

00:33:25.960 You are really in love with an ideal that you have created in your own mind of the perfect

00:33:30.800 person.

00:33:31.740 And then whether or not the person in reality matches up to that person, you are superimposing

00:33:38.020 all of those ideals onto the person.

00:33:40.060 So it's a totally cis, circular thing. 0.99

00:33:43.300 You are simply in love with your own self-generated idea.

00:33:48.600 Love, true love, is willing the good of the other person.

00:33:52.140 So true love is warts and all.

00:33:55.180 True love is staring the other person in the face, seeing them for who they are in reality

00:34:02.080 and loving that person anyway.

00:34:04.560 Or maybe because of that.

00:34:06.100 Big difference.

00:34:06.840 Make sure that you are really loving the other person.

00:34:11.000 And it's not just the images that you're putting on that person.

00:34:14.220 And one way to know that, to know the difference, is to analyze other relationships that you've

00:34:21.200 had.

00:34:21.660 If they've all had the same kind of character, if you've all kind of viewed the person in

00:34:26.120 exactly the same way, you might be dealing with infatuation.

00:34:28.860 But if you really like the other guy, then it's probably love.

00:34:31.820 From Eric.

00:34:32.420 The excellent Michael Knowles.

00:34:35.480 One theme of your show is how the modern left rejects the concept of objective morality.

00:34:40.400 I've noticed that one's rejection of objective morality quickly follows their rejection of

00:34:44.360 God.

00:34:44.760 So my question for you is, can one believe in objective morality without believing in God?

00:34:51.280 Moreover, how can we as conservatives argue for objective morality without tracing said morality

00:34:56.680 back to God?

00:34:57.340 Thanks.

00:34:59.500 One can believe in objective morality without God.

00:35:03.140 It's just that one would be wrong.

00:35:05.300 You know, we believe all sorts of things that don't make a whole lot of sense.

00:35:08.640 And so you can do that.

00:35:10.440 But it doesn't make any sense.

00:35:11.620 There cannot be objective morality without God.

00:35:15.160 Actually, one of the arguments for God's existence is the argument from morality.

00:35:19.320 Very simply, if morality is objective and absolute, which is what we mean when we say morality

00:35:25.920 or objective morality, then God must exist.

00:35:30.540 Now, there are a couple ways this can go.

00:35:34.140 If you're an atheist, a great many atheists are materialists.

00:35:37.500 So they'd say everything that we talk about that really matters to us, love, hopes, dreams,

00:35:42.960 joy, they're all an illusion.

00:35:45.000 They're all just something we're fooling ourselves with.

00:35:47.700 All that really exists is flesh and bones.

00:35:50.220 And we got chemicals firing off in our brains.

00:35:52.380 And that's what's giving us this impression of a metaphysical reality.

00:35:56.540 If that's the kind of atheism we're talking about, then morality can't exist at all.

00:36:02.280 Because morality is not a physical thing.

00:36:04.320 You can't hold on to it and touch it.

00:36:05.800 It's a metaphysical thing.

00:36:06.960 So that doesn't work.

00:36:07.880 Now, if you're the sort of atheist who says, you know, hey, man, I'm not religious, but

00:36:12.160 I'm spiritual or something like that, some kind of vague notion of spirituality, which

00:36:17.360 usually just means I'm not that interested in God, but I'm really interested in myself.

00:36:20.980 If you've got that kind of idea, okay, listen, I don't mean to make fun of this.

00:36:25.760 I actually held that view myself once when I was a teenager.

00:36:28.620 But if you have that idea, then I guess a morality could exist.

00:36:35.620 Like the idea that through evolution, human beings have for some reason developed these

00:36:42.040 highly sophisticated systems of morality, which often encourage us to sacrifice ourselves,

00:36:47.200 which doesn't seem to bode very well for evolution, but it's evolved somehow.

00:36:51.520 And anyway, it's always changing because humans are always evolving.

00:36:55.520 That is a morality, but that is not an objective, absolute morality, right?

00:37:00.320 Because it's always changing.

00:37:01.580 It's always constructed by human beings.

00:37:02.920 If we all came together and came up with a different idea, then that would be the morality.

00:37:06.500 If you want the objective, absolute morality, which is all anybody is referring to when

00:37:10.460 we use that term, God must exist.

00:37:13.100 And that's a wonderful thing from Matt.

00:37:15.360 Hey, Michael, who is fact-checking these debate moderators?

00:37:18.620 I feel like there was a lot of misinformation directed into the questions.

00:37:22.300 The one that stood out to me was the African-Americans earning 73 cents on the dollar compared to white 1.00

00:37:27.020 American statistic.

00:37:28.540 Where is the evidence to support this?

00:37:31.080 These moderators present the candidates, these statistics as, and the candidates present these

00:37:36.880 statistics as facts.

00:37:38.140 And that's wrong.

00:37:39.500 Thanks.

00:37:41.500 That statistic, the 73 cents on the dollar that black Americans are in compared to white 0.98

00:37:47.160 Americans, I looked this one up and it is a real statistic.

00:37:51.620 It comes from Pew Research.

00:37:53.820 You see it posted around from fairly reputable sources.

00:37:57.080 The problem with the moderators and the candidates is not that they're presenting these statistics.

00:38:03.040 The problem is they're not explaining these statistics.

00:38:06.480 So they present the statistics without context and then they use that to imply that the reason

00:38:13.580 that there's this wage gap is because of systemic racism, institutionalized racism, right?

00:38:19.240 But that isn't the case.

00:38:20.920 The reason that there's that wage gap is not explained primarily by race.

00:38:25.420 It's explained primarily by education and experience in the workforce.

00:38:31.500 The race is not the primary factor.

00:38:33.900 It's not really much of a factor at all.

00:38:36.480 But the real factor here is you've got different educational attainment, you've got different

00:38:41.100 schools, you've got different time in the workforce, you've got different caliber of

00:38:45.340 work at different companies.

00:38:48.040 And so when you wash all of that out, if you look at it primarily through the lens of race,

00:38:52.020 there's this wage gap.

00:38:53.120 But it's not evidence of racism.

00:38:55.020 It's the same thing with the gender wage gap. 1.00

00:38:56.680 There's a similar wage gap between men and women, men of all races and women of all races.

00:39:00.400 And they say women earn 75 cents on the dollar that men do, which is true until you correct 1.00

00:39:07.940 for education and time in the workforce.

00:39:10.700 When you correct for that, just like the racial wage gap, the wage gap disappears.

00:39:15.280 Now, obviously, the Democrats are not going to present that context because they want to

00:39:19.320 race hustle and sex hustle to try to divide Americans and get their votes. 1.00

00:39:23.620 And the moderators are not going to correct them on it because the moderators are Democrats 0.86

00:39:28.620 too.

00:39:29.800 From Sarah.

00:39:32.300 Dear most revered and austere religious podcaster, I love your shows and have two questions.

00:39:37.060 Thank you very much.

00:39:38.500 First, what are you listening to in your earpiece during the Michael Knowles show?

00:39:43.720 Secondly, what do you and Ted Cruz talk about on verdict when the cameras and microphones

00:39:50.300 aren't recording?

00:39:51.360 Thanks.

00:39:51.940 So in my earpiece during the show, I'm listening to Hall of Notes.

00:39:55.880 And when I'm speaking to Ted Cruz during verdict and the cameras are off and the microphones

00:40:02.380 are off, we're talking about what's really going on at Area 51.

00:40:08.060 And I wish that I could tell you. 1.00

00:40:10.520 But if I told you, I would have to kill you. 1.00

00:40:13.280 From Grant. 1.00

00:40:14.340 Hi, Michael.

00:40:15.120 I recently finished a bunch of C.S.

00:40:17.400 Lewis's work, Screwtape Letters, Mere Christianity, and The Great Divorce.

00:40:20.300 And I'm currently reading Chesterton's Orthodoxy.

00:40:23.880 After this, I'm looking to delve into Dante's Divine Comedy.

00:40:26.560 What a great reading list you've got.

00:40:28.580 However, I'm not sure which translation of Dante to pick up.

00:40:31.540 Do you have a recommendation?

00:40:32.500 Thank you.

00:40:33.320 Cheers to 500 more episodes.

00:40:36.200 I would recommend, and I'm only giving this out secondhand, the John Chardy translation.

00:40:41.920 I have not read a translation of it because when I was growing up, for some reason, I thought

00:40:47.740 it would be a good idea to learn Italian, which is possibly the least practically useful language

00:40:53.380 in the world.

00:40:53.980 So I didn't learn Spanish.

00:40:55.020 I didn't learn a language that could actually get me around, you know, day to day.

00:40:58.100 But I did learn Italian.

00:40:59.200 So that's how I read Dante.

00:41:00.620 But I would recommend the Chardy because friends of mine who have read both say the Chardy

00:41:06.020 is very good.

00:41:06.560 From Chris, hello, Mr. Knowles, the more science and medicine progressive progresses, the more

00:41:13.200 we realize our thoughts and sometimes our actions are a function of hormones and our

00:41:17.720 body's chemical processes.

00:41:19.440 I know we have the ability to overcome these chemicals and hormones, but I can't quite wrap

00:41:23.920 my brain around reconciling that with the idea of free will.

00:41:28.120 Thanks.

00:41:28.640 And don't let Ben push you out.

00:41:29.860 You're the real star there.

00:41:31.540 Thank you very much.

00:41:33.140 Wow.

00:41:33.560 Listen to what you wrote, though, in that question.

00:41:35.920 The question that you wrote actually kind of gives away the misunderstanding here.

00:41:40.420 You said, I can't quite wrap my brain around it.

00:41:44.000 Now, the usual phrase is, I can't quite wrap my mind around it.

00:41:47.500 And the difference is the brain is a physical organ and the mind is your sort of intellectual

00:41:52.440 metaphysical thing.

00:41:53.660 But what you're saying is, yeah, I'm kind of doubting that the metaphysical exists.

00:41:57.180 I think we're all just a product of our chemicals.

00:42:00.340 I just kind of reject the premise here.

00:42:02.500 I don't think that medical science shows us that our choices are merely or primarily the

00:42:09.540 effect of physical processes that are going on.

00:42:12.580 Here's how I know this.

00:42:13.800 If you've ever learned anything at all, you know that learning is not the effect of merely

00:42:20.840 physical processes.

00:42:21.760 So the biggest transformations that we could possibly undergo in our minds or our brains,

00:42:26.720 I guess, is learning, right?

00:42:30.740 Because or changing your mind, right?

00:42:32.400 So you've got one idea and then something new happens and you change it.

00:42:35.300 That could be radical.

00:42:36.160 I mean, it can have major effects on how you live your life.

00:42:39.180 If you're a real decadent guy and you're going out to the strip club every night and getting

00:42:42.920 bottle service and then you change your mind, you read a book, you read the Bible and you say,

00:42:48.020 oh my gosh, I've got to go become a monk in the hills, you have just on a very physical

00:42:52.200 level completely changed the way that your life is going to go.

00:42:54.860 But it wasn't caused by a physical process.

00:42:56.800 It was caused by an intellectual and metaphysical process, right?

00:43:00.600 You've read something.

00:43:01.960 You've taken in that information.

00:43:03.220 That has led to physical changes.

00:43:05.040 The reason people get confused about this is because the only thing we can see is the

00:43:09.060 physical.

00:43:10.060 So they're confusing correlation for causation.

00:43:12.780 They're saying, because I can see that there is a physical change here, the physical has

00:43:17.940 to be the cause of it.

00:43:19.220 But actually, we are not merely our bodies and we're also not merely our spirits.

00:43:24.320 That's another ancient heresy that was condemned a long time ago.

00:43:27.220 This idea that the body is evil and it's fake.

00:43:29.560 It's actually coming back now in the form of transgenderism, which tells you that your 1.00

00:43:32.900 body has no bearing on who you are and really you're just a secret invisible being and you've

00:43:38.700 got to change your body to get in line with that.

00:43:40.760 Actually, we're both.

00:43:42.340 We're body and soul.

00:43:43.760 We're mind, spirit, right?

00:43:45.620 We're all in this one human unity and we do have free will.

00:43:51.520 It's not something that you can see, but you can't see most of the things that matter

00:43:55.040 in your life.

00:43:56.160 All right.

00:43:57.380 Let's get to the last question here from Ryan.

00:44:00.200 Dear Michael, what would you recommend for my first cigar?

00:44:04.580 Thanks.

00:44:05.080 P.S.

00:44:05.840 I miss getting episodes of Another Kingdom.

00:44:08.240 Thanks for bringing that work to life.

00:44:10.760 Very important question.

00:44:12.840 Very important question.

00:44:14.000 The first cigar.

00:44:14.840 My first cigar was a Cuban cigar.

00:44:17.220 It was given to me by a friend.

00:44:19.220 If I were you, you're around here, I would start out with something like the Oliva Series

00:44:24.640 O or the Cusano 18 or it's a cigar that are a little bit more mild, kind of get you into

00:44:31.120 it and then you can graduate to more intense flavor profiles.

00:44:35.800 All right.

00:44:36.100 That's our show.

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00:44:54.080 the Republican National Committee.

00:44:55.620 It's going to be a whole lot of fun.

00:44:57.500 We've got more surprises coming up there.

00:45:00.200 So if you're in D.C., head on over and say hello.

00:45:02.340 Otherwise, I'll see you next week.

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The Michael Knowles Show - February 27, 2020

Ep. 502 - Mass (Media-Generated) Hysteria

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