The Michael Knowles Show - March 31, 2020


Ep. 520 - Stop The Spread (Of Fake News)


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The United States has slowed the spread of coronavirus, but there s one scourge whose virality is only increasing. Fake news. We will examine the most egregious examples of how the left-wing media lies to add panic to the pandemic.

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00:00:37.720 The United States has slowed the spread of coronavirus, but there's one scourge whose virality is only increasing.
00:00:44.040 Fake news.
00:00:45.060 We will examine the most egregious examples of how the left-wing media lies to add panic to the pandemic.
00:00:50.480 Then, in an effort to combat COVID, a Democratic mayor politely asks criminals to chill.
00:00:55.320 And a New York jail releases a bunch of child molesters.
00:00:58.740 Meanwhile, prosperity preachers command the virus to go away.
00:01:02.280 And President Trump rains fire and brimstone down on Jim Acosta during his latest ratings-busting press briefing.
00:01:09.100 All that and so much more.
00:01:10.200 I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.
00:01:11.940 We caught them in the act.
00:01:21.320 We caught those fake news media spreading more fake news about the coronavirus.
00:01:26.900 We will air one example in particular that would be shocking and unprecedented if we didn't just see it like six months ago.
00:01:37.700 We'll get to that in one second.
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00:02:47.600 This is the worst fake news that I have seen on network television in, I guess, about six months.
00:02:58.900 But, you know, listen, that's a lot because there's a whole lot of fake news going through.
00:03:02.860 CBS News is trying to whip people up into a frenzy and hysteria about coronavirus generally and specifically the situation in New York.
00:03:13.120 So they decided to air footage showing the madness of a hospital in New York.
00:03:18.220 Now, coronavirus, serious problem in New York.
00:03:20.840 It's much more serious there than, I guess, anywhere else in the United States.
00:03:24.520 So why do the TV networks, why do the mainstream news media feel the need to lie to make it seem even worse than it is?
00:03:35.360 CBS News aired footage of an overcrowded hospital room in New York City that actually wasn't in New York City.
00:03:43.620 It actually wasn't in the United States.
00:03:45.220 It actually wasn't in the Western Hemisphere.
00:03:47.480 It was in Italy.
00:03:52.160 It was an editing mistake, they say.
00:03:55.300 They took immediate steps to remove it from all platforms and shows.
00:04:00.220 Here is the footage side by side.
00:04:04.380 You will hear the report from British News talking about this hospital room in Italy.
00:04:11.840 And if you can see it, you'll be able to see that it is almost shot for shot the same room that they're pretending is in New York.
00:04:20.200 This is the main hospital in Bergamo in Lombardy province.
00:04:24.340 It's one of the most advanced hospitals in Europe.
00:04:30.240 There it is.
00:04:31.020 You can see it's the exact same room and they're pretending that this is in New York.
00:04:37.460 This is not the first time we've seen this.
00:04:38.940 You remember, I think it was about six months ago, when ABC News made a similar mistake by airing footage that they said was the situation in Syria with Turkish gunfire raining down on the poor Kurds.
00:04:54.200 And this was all Trump's fault and he betrayed our allies.
00:04:56.640 And it just looked like a scene out of an apocalyptic movie.
00:05:01.560 And then it turned out actually it wasn't in Syria.
00:05:04.120 Actually, it wasn't in the Middle East.
00:05:05.720 Actually, it wasn't this year.
00:05:08.880 It was from a Kentucky gun show in 2017.
00:05:12.720 You're right here appearing to show Turkey's military bombing Kurd civilians in a Syrian border town.
00:05:18.200 This video obtained by ABC News appears to show the fury of the Turkish attack on the border town of Talabyad two nights ago.
00:05:25.820 And it appears to show the attack on the border town because we've decided to overlay this voiceover.
00:05:34.560 Actually, though, it's from a Kentucky gun show.
00:05:36.900 And if we told you it was a Kentucky gun show, you would have believed that, too.
00:05:40.280 You'll believe whatever we tell you.
00:05:42.020 We're the news media.
00:05:45.120 Outrageous stuff.
00:05:45.920 Obviously, this is why people no longer really believe the mainstream media, but they continue to do it.
00:05:52.260 Why do they continue to do it?
00:05:53.580 Because nobody sees the correction.
00:05:55.700 Nobody saw.
00:05:56.620 Nobody, unless you are watching this show, listening to this show, reading some conservative news outlets,
00:06:02.340 you would not know that CBS News actually was airing footage of crowded hospital rooms in Italy,
00:06:08.400 which is much worse off than the United States.
00:06:10.360 You would not know that.
00:06:11.260 Unless you are watching or listening to conservative media,
00:06:15.500 you would have no idea that that footage that was supposed to be from battlefields,
00:06:20.600 you know, Turkey rolling the tanks in, was actually from a Kentucky gun show.
00:06:24.460 Because what happened?
00:06:26.460 In the case of the Kentucky gun show, ABC News admits on Twitter that, you know, this was wrong.
00:06:34.120 They issue a correction.
00:06:35.100 But the original news story gets orders of magnitude more retweets and likes than the correction.
00:06:42.700 The original news story gets seen on the biggest TV shows on ABC.
00:06:46.540 The correction gets seen as post number 25 of the day on Twitter.
00:06:51.780 Nobody sees the correction.
00:06:53.060 This is how they get away with it.
00:06:54.160 It's how the newspapers have gotten away with it for years.
00:06:56.260 You know, they run the fake story on page A1,
00:06:58.980 and then they run the correction in tiny print on page Z75.
00:07:03.200 So that's the mainstream media.
00:07:06.360 This is also true on social media.
00:07:09.020 We don't want to let Twitter get off the hook here either.
00:07:11.600 Laura Ingram, a little while ago, sent out a tweet when it looked like we had this promising new drug to treat coronavirus,
00:07:17.800 hydroxychloroquine.
00:07:19.360 Laura Ingram tweets out,
00:07:21.300 Lenox Hill in New York, among many hospitals,
00:07:23.720 already using hydroxychloroquine with very promising results.
00:07:27.060 One patient was described as Lazarus,
00:07:28.940 who was seriously ill from COVID-19, already released.
00:07:33.200 What did Twitter do?
00:07:35.100 Twitter suspended her account for that.
00:07:38.140 You're not allowed to say that there's light at the end of the tunnel.
00:07:41.860 You're not allowed to say that there might be some hope among this pandemic.
00:07:44.920 Damn it, the media is trying to whip up a panic.
00:07:47.200 And Laura Ingram is getting in their way by suggesting that we might have a decent medical treatment for it. 0.97
00:07:52.040 So, they suspend her account.
00:07:55.520 They tell her that she's got to delete the tweet if she wants to get her account back.
00:07:59.280 They said it was, quote, misleading information around COVID-19.
00:08:03.720 And then guess what happened yesterday?
00:08:05.260 The FDA approved the drug to treat coronavirus.
00:08:10.540 Guess it wasn't fake news after all.
00:08:13.200 Doesn't matter.
00:08:13.920 The tweet's gone.
00:08:14.880 The story's out there.
00:08:15.900 Fake news.
00:08:16.720 Laura Ingram's got to delete her tweet.
00:08:19.460 Now, you know, the federal government has forced Twitter's hand because the FDA has approved this drug.
00:08:23.880 But why on earth would Twitter not take the more cautious position?
00:08:29.660 Why would Twitter not say, well, look, some evidence shows that hydroxychloroquine is working to treat coronavirus.
00:08:37.860 But we don't have long clinical trials yet.
00:08:40.060 So, okay, we'll just let the information stand out there.
00:08:42.300 Your mileage may vary.
00:08:43.340 Judge for yourself.
00:08:44.560 No.
00:08:45.680 Because they are pushing a narrative here.
00:08:48.520 The narrative is panic.
00:08:50.000 The narrative is the world is ending.
00:08:51.320 The narrative is ultimately what they want.
00:08:53.140 And their specific political goal is Donald Trump is doing a terrible job.
00:08:57.560 He's bungling this.
00:08:58.460 He's, he's killing people.
00:09:01.280 That's the, that's the ultimate narrative here.
00:09:03.240 And so Twitter is always going to err on that side.
00:09:07.180 ABC News, always going to err on that side.
00:09:09.320 We don't know what this footage is.
00:09:10.660 We just like found this in the street.
00:09:12.300 Someone just, okay, let's just assume it's evidence that Trump did, made a terrible move in the Middle East.
00:09:16.780 Oh, it's a Kentucky gun show.
00:09:18.080 Whoopsie daisy.
00:09:18.560 No big deal.
00:09:20.700 Oh, yeah.
00:09:21.280 We got this footage of a hospital room.
00:09:22.760 Yeah, that looks like New York.
00:09:24.100 Yeah, Trump's a bad guy.
00:09:25.000 Yeah, we're, this is terrible.
00:09:26.040 Yeah, we're all going to die.
00:09:28.400 You could have, you could have Googled it, right?
00:09:30.460 You could have looked around.
00:09:31.400 You could have said, wait, why are they all speaking Italian?
00:09:33.680 I know there are a lot of Italians in New York, but I don't think there were that many Italians.
00:09:37.300 We got another bit of fake news yesterday too.
00:09:39.860 This has to do with a hospital ship.
00:09:41.980 And this one came by way of my doppelganger, Rachel Maddow on MSNBC.
00:09:47.400 We, we've got the footage of it.
00:09:48.680 President Trump actually just released it.
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00:11:24.940 So my doppelganger over on MSNBC ran a story about this hospital ship
00:11:31.880 that the federal government was sending to New York
00:11:33.540 to take care of people and deal with the overflow from coronavirus.
00:11:36.920 President Trump just released the clip, but he added a little negative buzzer,
00:11:43.640 a little wrong answer buzzer every time she told fake news.
00:11:47.100 Compare that story on MSNBC with the reality of what actually happened.
00:11:53.000 In terms of the happy talk we've had on this front from the federal government,
00:11:56.820 there is no sign that the Navy hospital ships that the president made such a big deal of,
00:12:01.140 the comfort and the mercy, there's no sign that they'll be anywhere on site
00:12:05.200 helping out anywhere in the country for weeks.
00:12:08.260 The president said when he announced that those ships would be put into action
00:12:12.820 against the COVID-19 epidemic, he said one of those ships would be operational
00:12:16.420 in New York Harbor by next week.
00:12:18.580 That's nonsense.
00:12:19.680 It will not be there next week.
00:12:21.000 The comfort has arrived in New York and is now making its way up the river.
00:12:27.100 I'm on the west side, right around Houston Street, not far from where we work,
00:12:33.140 and it's being led in a parade of tugs and Coast Guard vessels, helicopters circling above.
00:12:39.820 U.S. Navy hospital ship Mercy is now docked at the port of L.A.
00:12:43.580 It will serve as an overflow facility for patients who don't have COVID-19.
00:12:48.920 CBS 2's Garfinstrom is live in San Pedro with a look at the arrival and what's to come.
00:12:53.540 Kara.
00:12:53.800 Susan, this massive ship represents hope, support for overwhelmed medical workers.
00:13:01.700 And I have to say, as it came in, it was great to see the smiles on faces here on the shore,
00:13:06.920 the excitement.
00:13:07.660 Take a look.
00:13:08.680 It just represents hope, and it just really represents that Rachel Maddow is completely
00:13:13.520 wrong about this.
00:13:15.920 My question for Maddow is, and not just Maddow, I don't mean to just single out my doppelganger.
00:13:24.560 My question for all of these people in the fake news media, they end up looking so ridiculous.
00:13:32.100 Why not just wait?
00:13:33.760 Trump says we're going to send this hospital ship.
00:13:35.720 Why get out ahead of that and say, no, you won't.
00:13:37.960 No, you won't do that.
00:13:39.160 I mean, they do this all the time.
00:13:40.840 Trump says, I'm going to get tax cuts.
00:13:42.200 No, you won't.
00:13:43.060 You're not going to get that through.
00:13:44.400 Trump says, I'm going to be vindicated by the Mueller probe.
00:13:46.640 No, you, it's Mueller time.
00:13:47.880 You're going down.
00:13:49.460 Again and again, they just, they keep making these predictions and the predictions are not
00:13:53.080 true.
00:13:53.400 And then they have egg on their face.
00:13:55.140 That's the question for a reasonable viewer.
00:13:58.540 But I guess there is an answer to it, which is that their viewers are not checking up on
00:14:03.040 this stuff.
00:14:05.360 Not just Maddow, but the network news viewers and the New York Times readers and people who consume
00:14:11.860 the mainstream media apparatus.
00:14:13.280 They don't need to be as precise.
00:14:15.680 They don't need to be as careful because they are the dominant media force.
00:14:20.440 So sure, we'll point it out.
00:14:23.420 You know, if you, if you listen to my show, you'll hear where they go wrong.
00:14:26.940 But compared to the audience of all of network television, forget even cable, forget even all
00:14:32.100 these subscriptions, just regular network television.
00:14:34.480 That's the dominant audience.
00:14:35.940 And so they can get away with it.
00:14:39.660 The news is fake.
00:14:42.700 All right.
00:14:42.940 I never want to hear again that fake news is a right wing conspiracy or a talking point.
00:14:47.020 The news is fake.
00:14:48.940 Even when they get stories right, they themselves are peddlers of fake narratives.
00:14:53.400 So even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
00:14:55.580 We've known that for a long time.
00:14:57.840 What's worse now is that it would appear that even their models are fake too.
00:15:03.880 Let me give you a great example.
00:15:05.100 There was a good piece just published in Medium.
00:15:07.740 I'm sure they're going to delete this soon because it questions the official narrative
00:15:11.340 on everybody panicking.
00:15:13.160 This is by Maria Cecchina and Wesley Pegden.
00:15:16.560 They're two, two mathematicians.
00:15:18.680 So they were looking at just the models.
00:15:21.420 They're not looking at the specific biology or the, you know, chemical characteristics of
00:15:27.160 the virus.
00:15:27.580 They're just looking at the models that all of us are talking about and the models that
00:15:31.200 led us to shut down the global economy.
00:15:32.800 And the title is A Call to Honesty in Pandemic Modeling.
00:15:37.600 They use a number of examples, but here's just one.
00:15:40.920 So Nicholas Kristof, a writer for the New York Times, decides to publish a model by a group
00:15:48.300 of researchers.
00:15:48.960 And the point of this model shows that if you social distance for 14 days, remember that
00:15:56.080 was the initial 14, 15 days to stop the spread, then you're going to get this huge number of
00:16:01.060 total infections.
00:16:02.580 You're going to get 128 million total infections between January and October.
00:16:07.760 And that's really high and you've got to flatten the curve and this could overwhelm hospitals.
00:16:11.440 So what you need to do instead is social distance for two months.
00:16:15.340 That's what people are calling for now.
00:16:16.780 You know, Trump was initially saying we want to be open by Easter.
00:16:20.500 Then all of a sudden it was, we want to be open by April 30th.
00:16:25.800 Now, who knows?
00:16:26.540 Why is it going to be May?
00:16:27.280 Is it going to be June?
00:16:27.840 We just don't know.
00:16:29.140 The left is pushing for this to go longer and longer because every day it goes on, it
00:16:33.480 reduces Trump's chances of being reelected.
00:16:35.220 So Nicholas Kristof publishes this other model, which shows this much lower, lower number of
00:16:44.500 infections, 14 million total infections between January and October.
00:16:47.860 It looks almost entirely flat, except the authors of this piece notice one strange thing.
00:16:53.320 At the very end of the graph, the number ticks up and you can't tell quite how much it ticks
00:16:59.380 up.
00:16:59.520 It sort of looks like it's ticking up exponentially, but you can't quite tell because the
00:17:05.020 graph cuts off at October.
00:17:06.680 What they don't show you and what the, what the authors of this piece, which I encourage
00:17:10.320 you to read, A Call to Honesty in Pandemic Modeling, what they show you is if you extend
00:17:14.060 the very same model out just another two months, then you get the exact same curve as you got
00:17:19.700 the first time.
00:17:20.800 All you've done is delay how long it will be before the people get infected, but the same
00:17:26.260 number of people are going to get infected.
00:17:28.180 It's not going to change at all.
00:17:31.040 But that's the kind of dishonesty we're talking about.
00:17:33.160 Because if you were just looking at these graphs that the New York Times was talking
00:17:36.240 about, then you'd say, oh, wow, well that, that's really big.
00:17:38.700 And that number is really big.
00:17:39.740 And that, that's, that graph is really big.
00:17:42.000 And this one is small.
00:17:43.200 So let's go for the small one.
00:17:45.460 But they don't tell you that when you flatten the curve or delay the curve or whatever,
00:17:50.560 you're still going to get the same number of infections.
00:17:54.080 Very dishonest stuff.
00:17:55.420 It's why you have to take these things with some skepticism.
00:17:58.220 Meanwhile, we're being told by left-wing politicians, we're being told by some more neurotic people
00:18:04.260 on the right, we're being told that you, if you ever, if you dare question what the experts
00:18:08.640 are saying, that you're basically responsible for people being killed.
00:18:14.780 You've got blood on your hands.
00:18:16.700 You're not taking this seriously.
00:18:18.220 No, we're taking it much more seriously than people on the other extremes.
00:18:23.680 Right?
00:18:24.240 We're, we're the ones who are, we're not taking an extreme position here.
00:18:27.300 We're saying, hold on, let's take a look for, maybe let's extend that graph out a little bit
00:18:30.640 further.
00:18:31.360 Are you really, you're really saying we're going to avoid?
00:18:33.200 I don't think so.
00:18:35.040 Very dishonest models.
00:18:37.340 Now, that's just what's going on in the news media.
00:18:40.260 I'm sorry to say that other sectors of our society are taking advantage of this pandemic.
00:18:47.180 My favorite one is in the realm of criminal justice.
00:18:50.200 So the democratic mayor, Sylvester Turner, democratic mayor of Houston is, he's got a
00:18:58.820 message for criminals.
00:18:59.780 There have been a lot of proposals during this whole shutdown to let people out of prisons,
00:19:05.640 to stop arresting people for crimes, to just reduce the jail population.
00:19:09.920 The argument being that if you reduce the jail population, then it'll be easier or it'll
00:19:16.320 be more difficult for coronavirus to spread within the jails.
00:19:20.120 Not, not sure that's totally true.
00:19:22.080 I mean, jails, you can't totally socially distance in jails, right?
00:19:26.100 Not everybody is going to be 20 feet apart in their own private apartment.
00:19:29.580 So regardless, they're, they're suggesting we release all these prisoners.
00:19:34.460 And so how are we going to deal with it when all these criminals are out on the street
00:19:37.940 during the pandemic?
00:19:40.360 Sylvester Turner has a solution.
00:19:41.960 He just wants those criminals to chill.
00:19:44.260 Let me just make my plea until the coronaviruses resolve.
00:19:49.920 Criminals take a break.
00:19:51.660 Okay.
00:19:52.500 Stay home.
00:19:54.220 Okay.
00:19:54.740 Stay home and don't commit any crimes.
00:19:57.820 And that way they'll stay safe and out of jail.
00:20:01.860 And police officers will stay safe and can go home to their families.
00:20:05.660 Okay.
00:20:05.980 So everybody chill crooks, criminals, you chill.
00:20:10.940 Wait till the coronavirus is over.
00:20:13.980 Okay, man.
00:20:15.680 Why didn't I think of that?
00:20:17.280 Oh, it's so, it's so obvious now in retrospect, the way that we can get criminals to stop committing
00:20:23.940 crimes is we can just ask them to chill and like be really nice and just say like, Hey,
00:20:28.220 can you not commit crimes?
00:20:29.640 Criminals?
00:20:30.140 That'd be great if you wouldn't.
00:20:31.360 Thanks.
00:20:32.220 Thank you.
00:20:32.880 Chill.
00:20:33.080 Well, I get, well, I don't know why we never thought of that one.
00:20:38.420 I'm picking on this guy because he had this funny press conference.
00:20:42.440 Mayors all over the country are doing the same thing.
00:20:44.440 They're saying we got to reduce prisoners.
00:20:46.080 We got to let them out.
00:20:47.160 I mean, at least this guy has the, the kind of honesty to come out and say, yeah, that
00:20:51.800 our only other plan is to say, Hey, criminals, please don't, please don't commit crimes.
00:20:57.120 New York did him one better.
00:20:58.460 Okay.
00:20:58.700 New York, a town in New York did him one much better than that.
00:21:01.260 But that town is letting child molesters out of prison because somehow letting child molesters
00:21:08.160 out of prison during a shutdown and a pandemic is going to help stop the spread of the virus
00:21:13.440 or something.
00:21:14.900 But generally sexual assailants are not good at reducing the spread of disease.
00:21:21.800 That's not what they, but that's not their forte.
00:21:24.060 A, but that's what this town decided to do.
00:21:27.760 Part of a statewide effort in New York, 50 prisoners, including child sex offenders were
00:21:34.180 released in Monroe County due to coronavirus concerns, whatever that means.
00:21:38.920 Even though it's completely unclear, by the way, if this jail had any confirmed cases of
00:21:43.520 coronavirus.
00:21:43.940 Here's the, uh, here's the headline.
00:21:46.760 Eight registered sex offenders have been released from Monroe County jail as part of a statewide
00:21:50.360 order coming from the Department of Corrections and Community Services.
00:21:54.560 Among the inmates known to be staying at the Holiday Inn Express that they, the jail just
00:21:59.300 dumped all these guys off at are four registered sex offenders, three of whom are registered as
00:22:04.600 level three sex offenders and are deemed by New York courts as the most likely to re-offend.
00:22:12.500 They are releasing not just criminals, not just burglars, not just arsonists, not just
00:22:17.760 assailants, not even just rapists, but child rapists and not only child rapists, the child
00:22:25.460 rapists most likely to re-offend.
00:22:27.980 Hard to understand, all three of the level three sex offenders staying at the Holiday Inn
00:22:34.700 Express have been convicted for the rape of minors, every single one of them.
00:22:38.780 Hard to understand what people are thinking here.
00:22:44.600 They're, they're not thinking about how to stop the spread of coronavirus.
00:22:48.000 Obviously releasing dangerous child rapists is, has nothing to do with stopping the spread
00:22:54.220 of coronavirus.
00:22:54.640 And this is really the most egregious example of a disturbing general trend in the whole
00:22:59.300 coronavirus ordeal, which is the lawlessness of the pandemic.
00:23:05.140 These people are behaving lawlessly.
00:23:08.420 Politicians are doing or are using this pandemic as an excuse to do whatever they want, even if
00:23:16.000 what they want will exacerbate the crisis.
00:23:17.640 I mean, you saw this, especially in that coronavirus relief package from Washington, which is where
00:23:24.100 at the very last minute, Nancy Pelosi and Democratic lawmakers shoved in a bunch of Green New Deal 0.96
00:23:29.180 proposals and tied coronavirus funding to reducing airline emissions.
00:23:36.920 The Wuhan flu has nothing to do with airline emissions, yet they're using this to push their 0.99
00:23:42.940 own agendas.
00:23:43.660 They're using it to let people out of prison because the left doesn't like prisons because
00:23:48.200 the left doesn't like justice.
00:23:49.500 So the left doesn't want to lock people up.
00:23:51.560 You've seen a number of even blue check marks all over Twitter who are left-wing people saying
00:23:55.700 we need to empty out the prisons.
00:23:57.980 They're doing it all in the name of public health so that you don't question them.
00:24:01.940 Because if you question the public health advocates and supporters and experts, well, then you're
00:24:07.400 compromising public health.
00:24:08.540 Now, if the New York and Houston criminal justice strategies are suspect, they are outdone only
00:24:14.080 by the spiritual strategies of some preachers who are simply commanding the virus to go away.
00:24:21.440 I bring you, ladies and gentlemen, the prosperity preacher, Kenneth Copeland.
00:24:25.980 In the name of Jesus, standing in the office of the prophet of God, I execute judgment on you, COVID-19. 1.00
00:24:43.040 I execute judgment on you, Satan.
00:24:45.860 You destroyer.
00:24:47.160 You kill her.
00:24:48.300 You get out.
00:24:49.480 You break your power.
00:24:51.420 You get off this nation.
00:24:53.320 I demand judgment on you.
00:24:55.360 I demand, I demand, I demand a vaccination to come immediately.
00:25:02.940 Yes.
00:25:04.160 We got it.
00:25:05.400 Yes, we did it.
00:25:06.840 Now, in Mr. Copeland's defense, I will say that if that performance is not enough to scare
00:25:12.240 coronavirus away, I do not know what is.
00:25:15.320 It was a fiery performance.
00:25:18.440 And he's not the only one doing this.
00:25:21.540 There are other, other preachers who are making this point.
00:25:23.540 And this kind of thing is particularly seductive during times of great trial and crisis.
00:25:30.520 But ultimately, it's just total spiritual poison.
00:25:33.540 So we'll get to why that is in a moment.
00:25:35.120 Then we'll get, of course, to President Trump's latest ratings-busting press briefing.
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00:26:38.460 So Kenneth Copeland and others are commanding the virus to go away.
00:26:50.000 They're commanding a vaccine to come around, and most Christians will find this sort of 1.00
00:26:55.520 thing fairly foreign.
00:26:57.200 You know, this is not how Christianity works. 0.84
00:26:59.420 You don't just command physical well-being and then it immediately happens.
00:27:05.000 Because you're not just, you know, according to this theology, which is called prosperity
00:27:10.400 theology, you're not just building up treasure in heaven here in your spiritual life.
00:27:16.980 You're also building up like literal, physical treasure in the here and now, which is rather
00:27:22.720 contrary to more traditional understandings of Christianity.
00:27:27.140 But Copeland, you know, is pushing this.
00:27:29.480 He's one of the great examples of the prosperity theology, which is entertaining very often,
00:27:35.980 but it is spiritually very misguided.
00:27:38.480 And he doesn't just declare that there's going to be a vaccine.
00:27:42.220 Copeland is now also declaring that America finally is officially healed of coronavirus.
00:27:49.500 You will destroy through COVID-19.
00:27:53.640 No more.
00:27:54.380 No more.
00:27:55.220 No more.
00:27:57.380 No more.
00:27:58.420 Copeland is finished.
00:28:02.540 Finished.
00:28:04.200 It is over.
00:28:09.160 And the United States of America is healed and well again.
00:28:17.420 Well, that's a relief.
00:28:19.120 That is sure a load off my mind.
00:28:21.960 My favorite part of the whole clip is the Ed McMahon guy on the side, whoever the sidekick
00:28:26.800 is.
00:28:27.240 Just like, yes, amen.
00:28:28.020 Yeah.
00:28:28.560 Okay, sure.
00:28:29.440 Yeah, you bet.
00:28:30.040 All right.
00:28:30.700 Okay, let's do it.
00:28:31.780 And Copeland obviously is leading the show.
00:28:33.660 There's no need to wait until April 30th.
00:28:35.780 Now there's no need to wait until June 10th in some places because America's officially healed.
00:28:41.320 I don't only want to pick on Mr. Copeland.
00:28:43.680 Copeland is not the only one claiming a religious shortcut through the epidemic.
00:28:47.920 There's another preacher, EW Jackson, who says that he cannot get coronavirus because he talked
00:28:54.760 to God about it.
00:28:55.440 I'm going to have the coronavirus.
00:28:57.700 I'm not going to get the coronavirus.
00:29:00.020 I'm not going to give anybody the coronavirus because I can't get it because I've talked to
00:29:04.980 God about it and I've taken my vaccine and my vaccine is Psalm 91.
00:29:09.300 I am free from that mess.
00:29:11.820 All right.
00:29:12.380 Simple enough.
00:29:13.200 You just, that's how you know.
00:29:14.340 You're not going to get it.
00:29:15.060 There's no way to get it.
00:29:15.960 But this theology is very corrosive.
00:29:20.740 I, you know, I hate picking on people who even vaguely profess a faith in God because
00:29:27.360 we're in such an atheistic culture that I kind of want to bring everybody in. 0.99
00:29:32.400 I kind of want to rally the troops.
00:29:33.720 But this particular theology, prosperity theology is really poisonous.
00:29:39.740 I don't want to say that all the prosperity people have bad intentions.
00:29:43.220 Some of them might have perfectly fine intentions.
00:29:45.300 But you know what they say about the road to hell and good intentions.
00:29:49.300 It's just very, very wrong.
00:29:51.380 You know, we, we see in Acts, in Romans, in 2 Corinthians, in Colossians, in the letter
00:29:56.300 to the Hebrews, on and on.
00:29:57.680 We see the apostle and the apostles talking about how they rejoice in their sufferings,
00:30:04.800 in how they will have sufferings, how they have had many sufferings, and how they're so
00:30:08.700 joyful because of their sufferings, because those sufferings unite them in a way to Christ
00:30:14.620 on the cross.
00:30:16.540 The Saint Paul says he, he rejoices in his afflictions to, to make up that which is lacking
00:30:21.620 in the cross, cross of Christ for the sake of his church.
00:30:24.400 You know, that, that is a, a much more traditional understanding of the role of suffering and
00:30:28.940 prosperity in Christianity.
00:30:30.080 In Matthew, Christ says, if anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up
00:30:37.400 his cross and follow me.
00:30:40.240 For whoever would save his life will lose it, and whoever will lose his life for my sake
00:30:44.900 will find it.
00:30:46.540 Right?
00:30:46.720 And that's, that's totally the opposite of the prosperity theology.
00:30:50.020 So the prosperity theology is, on one hand, anti-scriptural, but the reason I'm picking
00:30:55.060 on it now, while a lot of people are suffering, and there are millions and millions of people
00:30:58.540 out of work, and suicides are increasing, and drug addiction is increasing, and we're
00:31:02.560 in this economic devastation, even if people are not in a particularly viral devastation,
00:31:08.540 is, on a very practical level, this theology is, is very discouraging during times of trial.
00:31:15.180 Well, because, at a very basic level, what the theology says is that your must, your material
00:31:22.660 prosperity is tied to your faith.
00:31:25.160 So, if you have a lot of faith, then you can expect material prosperity.
00:31:30.520 And, therefore, if you don't have a lot of material prosperity, what does that say about
00:31:35.240 your faith?
00:31:36.060 I guess you just didn't believe hard enough.
00:31:38.040 I guess you just didn't pray good enough.
00:31:40.280 You, you just, you just don't have enough faith, and that's why you're suffering.
00:31:45.180 That is not at all the, the message of the gospel.
00:31:48.320 That is not at all the example of Christ or the apostles.
00:31:51.260 And, so, in periods like this, when everybody is losing their wealth, when everybody is losing
00:31:56.760 their job, when everybody is, is losing, people are losing their family members, right?
00:32:01.780 To hear that sort of thing is really spiritually discouraging, and it, and it really, really can
00:32:09.100 hollow out people's faith.
00:32:10.520 It can, it can really steal people's faith from them.
00:32:12.560 So, perfectly fine to enjoy the entertainment of these clips going around Twitter, but I
00:32:19.860 certainly would not, would not take them seriously.
00:32:22.540 Now, the only thing more entertaining than commanding the virus simply to go away and
00:32:28.800 commanding, declaring that all of America is completely healed.
00:32:33.660 The only thing more entertaining than that, of course, are Trump's daily press briefings,
00:32:37.120 which are just phenomenal.
00:32:39.040 They are the best thing on TV, that's why the ratings are higher than pretty much anything
00:32:42.760 else on TV.
00:32:44.180 President Trump came out, he gave another good one yesterday.
00:32:47.840 The, there, there were a few important updates in this, but more of it is the, the media reaction,
00:32:53.220 because they, they really showed their hand even, even more clearly than usual.
00:32:57.860 So, President Trump opens up, and he's talking about the current strategy of extending this,
00:33:02.420 you know, through the end of April, or perhaps even further.
00:33:06.320 And what President Trump is touting here, looking on the bright side, is that yes, we may have
00:33:11.720 to shut down a little bit longer, but that strategy could save us one million lives.
00:33:18.000 I announced that we would be extending our social distance guidelines through the end of April.
00:33:24.840 This is based on modeling that shows the peak in fatalities will not arrive for another two
00:33:30.860 weeks. The same modeling also shows that by very vigorously following these guidelines,
00:33:37.500 we could save more than one million American lives. Think of that, one million American lives.
00:33:43.560 Notice the focus there on one million. Notice the brings up, it's one million lives. I repeat
00:33:50.240 myself, one million lives. This confirms the strategy that I mentioned yesterday. Trump is
00:33:55.220 now using the press's own scare numbers against them. Trump is now using the press's own scare
00:34:00.580 numbers as a defense against their attacks, because they're backing him into this impossible corner.
00:34:06.260 On Sunday, he mentioned that 2.2 million Americans could die from the virus if they don't act
00:34:11.160 quickly. Now, the number is one million Americans could be saved. Why the discrepancy? The discrepancy
00:34:18.760 there is to give himself some breathing room and to reset expectations here. So 2.2 million Americans
00:34:29.260 could have died. Now we're saying we're going to save, like what happens to the 1.2 million Americans
00:34:34.180 in the middle? What the press wants to do is use the scare numbers to shut down the economy, 0.95
00:34:38.840 2.2 million. But then once the economy shut down, every single death, every hospitalization,
00:34:45.020 every sniffle is going to be used as evidence that Trump is some callous monster and nobody should
00:34:51.000 have died at all. The real number should have been zero. Now, of course, we know that's not how it
00:34:54.460 works. We know that 37,000, in many cases, tens of thousands of more people die each year from the
00:35:02.180 flu. We know that 38,000 people die each year from car accidents. We know that 70,000 people die
00:35:08.120 each year from drug overdoses, right? These huge numbers that media doesn't talk about. Numbers
00:35:13.220 actually which might get worse because of this shutdown. And yet, we're so uncomfortable with the
00:35:19.360 concept of death, especially natural death, that we don't want to acknowledge it. So now every single
00:35:26.380 person who dies is evidence that Trump did something wrong. But of course, that's not
00:35:32.240 evidence of that. People die. You know, the fact that 35,000 people die from the flu is not evidence
00:35:37.040 that the government screwed something up. Natural death occurs. Mortality is real. No one here gets
00:35:43.160 out alive. Not from this particular world anyway. And yet, the press is banking on the fact that we
00:35:49.800 won't pay attention to that. So Trump is resetting expectations here. I think it's very smart because
00:35:54.900 right now, the more reliable projections, it would seem, suggest that it's not going to be 2 million
00:36:01.620 people who die. It's not going to be 1 million people who die. It's going to be closer to, I don't
00:36:05.640 know, 100,000. Look, that's a horrible number. Nobody wants 100,000 people to die. But it's certainly
00:36:11.460 a much better situation than a million or 2 million people dying. And when you compare it even to drug
00:36:16.720 overdoses per year, it's not all that much more. You know, it's death is a very sad thing. Trump says
00:36:24.100 later on in this press conference, a lot of very sad things happen in this country and in this world.
00:36:30.860 Then President Trump calls up his friends from corporate America and introduces them and has
00:36:36.620 them give a couple words. The media are furious about this. They don't like it when he brings up
00:36:41.280 his friends from the business community. But the strategy is brilliant and there's a lot of evidence
00:36:45.760 that it's working. Joining us this afternoon are CEOs of the great American companies that are
00:36:50.660 fulfilling their patriotic duty by producing or donating medical equipment to help meet our most
00:36:56.580 urgent needs. What they're doing is incredible. And these are great companies. Darius Domchek of
00:37:04.420 Honeywell. You know that. And Darius has been somebody that I've dealt with in the past.
00:37:10.700 And he's a great leader of a great company. Deborah Waller of Jockey International. A friend of mine,
00:37:19.380 Mike Lindell of MyPillow. Boy, do you sell those pillows? That's unbelievable what you do. David
00:37:25.720 Taylor of Procter & Gamble and Greg Hayes of United Technologies Corporation. And I just want to tell
00:37:32.960 all of you that America is very grateful to you and what you've done. Amazing job you've done. And we
00:37:38.820 thank you very much. Okay. Why does he do this? Why does he go on this interlude? You know, he even
00:37:43.820 goes on, heaps, heaps some more praise on these business guys. The left wingers are ragging on
00:37:48.940 Trump for bringing them up there. They only want to hear from doctors. Maybe they'll, they'll settle
00:37:53.480 for healing, hearing from Trump and some of his appointees, but really the left just wants to hear
00:37:57.300 from the public health dictators. But it is tactically brilliant to have these business leaders up there
00:38:03.580 because it creates a powerful incentive for them to help out the country during this time of crisis.
00:38:10.080 Now, I suspect many of them would help out anyway. But if you know that the president of the United
00:38:14.060 States is going to bring you up there on international television and say, hey, thanks so much,
00:38:18.800 CEO of Honeywell, for all the good that you're doing, that is going to help out the company. That's
00:38:23.780 going to give Americans more confidence in your company. That's going to give Americans and people
00:38:27.720 around the world more affection for your company. And it's not just some kind of cheap PR stunt.
00:38:32.780 They're actually doing the work. These companies are actually going out and helping people and
00:38:36.780 producing medical equipment that we need urgently at hospitals. So it's a smart thing to do. I think
00:38:44.340 it's the right thing to do. It shows genuine gratitude and it creates an incentive for more
00:38:48.360 businesses to help out. Now, if the, if the media weren't mad enough about Trump bringing up
00:38:52.980 generally business leaders to come speak, you can only imagine what they did, what they said,
00:39:01.380 how they reacted when the CEO of MyPillow, Mike Lindell, got up there to speak. CNN was so furious.
00:39:09.060 They actually cut away from it. Even though these press briefings are getting better ratings than
00:39:14.560 anything else on television right now, even though the press briefings are giving you actual urgent
00:39:19.240 news that moves markets and moves the way that we react in terms of public health, they cut away
00:39:25.600 because they hate the MyPillow guy so much that they couldn't watch it. Here's Wolf Blitzer.
00:39:32.920 Okay. Well, MyPillow is a U.S. vertically integrated company, which has been forced to adjust to the
00:39:38.720 changing business. All right. We're going to continue to monitor the White House briefing and get the
00:39:43.700 latest information on the president. They couldn't stand it. Oliver Darcy on CNN cut, rather referred to
00:39:49.880 CNN cutting away from Mike Lindell. He tweets out, quote, CNN cuts away from the White House coronavirus
00:39:53.820 briefing when Trump invites the MyPillow guy up to the podium to talk. They always refer to him as
00:39:58.220 the MyPillow guy. That's the only way. They're never Mike Lindell, not the CEO, not the founder.
00:40:02.640 Nope. Just the MyPillow guy. Jamie O'Grady, writer for the New York Times. Are you effing kidding me?
00:40:08.000 Then all caps. He has the MyPillow guy on to sell his garbage product during a pandemic briefing.
00:40:13.860 Three question marks, three exclamation points. By the way, I've heard MyPillow is like a really nice
00:40:17.940 pillow. So I don't think it's a garbage product. I think it's a pretty popular product. NBC's David Gurra.
00:40:22.660 Fun fact, if the MyPillow guy, Michael Lindell, appears at a briefing, it is no longer a briefing.
00:40:27.520 Well, you know, it's too bad they didn't listen to him because if they had listened to him and what
00:40:33.820 he had to say, they'd have learned that Mike Lindell is doing more to help the country out
00:40:38.660 during this pandemic than all of them combined. Everyone at CNN, all the blue check marks on Twitter,
00:40:44.020 this guy is doing more than all of them.
00:40:46.960 MyPillow is a U.S. vertically integrated company, which has been forced to adjust to the changing
00:40:52.160 business environment as a result of the pandemic. MyPillow is uniquely positioned as a U.S. company
00:40:58.800 that functions as a manufacturer, logistics management distributor, and direct-to-consumer.
00:41:04.980 Given our current business lines, we are experiencing the effects of this pandemic firsthand.
00:41:09.840 But MyPillow has done with established an internal task force, which is monitoring future needs of
00:41:15.200 companies across the country as a result of this pandemic. And given our position, we've begun to
00:41:21.160 research and develop new protocols to address the current and future needs of U.S. businesses across
00:41:27.060 multiple sectors. How companies are going to prepare themselves when they once again open up
00:41:32.080 and change us to their current operations in order to adjust to future threats and pandemics.
00:41:38.560 MyPillow has designated some of its call center to help U.S. companies navigate the many issues that
00:41:43.440 resulted from this pandemic. We've dedicated 75 percent of my manufacturing to produce cotton
00:41:49.860 face masks. In three days, I was up to 10,000 a day. By Friday, I want to be up to 50,000 a day.
00:41:57.740 I'm proud to manufacture our products in the United States, and I'm even more proud to be able to serve
00:42:02.520 our nation in this great time of need. 50,000 face masks a day. The guy's turned over 75 percent of
00:42:09.000 his production to making face masks. That's pretty good stuff. First of all, that's useful
00:42:15.600 information. That's good to know that a company can pivot like that. It's useful information that
00:42:19.520 his products are made in America now that we're trying to move our supply chain out of other
00:42:22.680 countries. And it's useful to know that we've got just one guy, just one guy with one company making
00:42:27.520 50,000 face masks a day. But the reason that left-wing journalists hate Mike Lindell is not just
00:42:34.180 because they don't like pillows. I'm sure they like pillows just fine. It's not even just that
00:42:39.060 Lindell is a conservative and likes Donald Trump, though certainly that's a big part of it.
00:42:43.400 The ultimate reason is that Mike Lindell is unabashed about his devotion to Christ. He is totally open
00:42:53.820 and evangelical in his Christianity. Now I wrote something off the cuff if I can read this.
00:43:00.040 God gave us grace on November 8, 2016 to change the course we were on. God had been taken out of
00:43:07.620 our schools and lives. A nation had turned his back on God. And I encourage you to use this time at home
00:43:14.200 to get back in the Word. Read our Bibles and spend time with our families. Our president gave us so much
00:43:21.620 hope where just a few short months ago, we had the best economy, the lowest unemployment and wages
00:43:26.980 going up. It was amazing. With our great president, vice president and this administration and all the
00:43:33.520 great people in this country praying daily, we will get through this and get back to a place that's
00:43:38.900 stronger and safer than ever. What a great message that is. Okay. And Lindell is a pretty inspiring guy.
00:43:46.500 Most people don't know about him is he's a former crack addict. This guy had huge drug problems.
00:43:51.400 His life was in complete shambles. And then he, he got his life together. One imagines through the
00:43:58.040 grace of God and is one of the most successful guys in the country. And he's giving press briefings
00:44:02.440 with the president and he's helping out his fellow Americans and making a lot of face masks. That's a
00:44:06.220 wonderful thing. You know, compare this to the prosperity theology that we were just listening to.
00:44:12.160 Well, Mike Lindell is not saying I had so much faith and that's why we got a great stock market and
00:44:18.740 the economy. It was great. And I got all this money. No, he was saying actually the opposite.
00:44:22.480 He was like, man, well, in his personal story, his life was in shambles and then he was saved
00:44:26.660 by amazing grace. And when it comes to the economy, it was like, God gave us grace in 2016. We, you know,
00:44:34.100 he is tying it in with what has happened politically or economically, but he's not saying it's because
00:44:38.900 like we, we finally had enough faith. And so God rewarded us. No, no, no. God gave us grace.
00:44:43.660 He gave us mercy and he will have mercy on us still. And we've got to do our part and live,
00:44:50.320 live our faith and the fruit of that faith. So really, really nice message. Obviously CNN,
00:44:56.900 CNN didn't hear that message. They have to close their ears and say, la, la, la, whenever anybody
00:45:01.360 mentions any sort of political or heaven forfend religious truth. Then of course, to close out the
00:45:08.700 conference, there was the obligatory Trump smackdown of CNN, this time spurred by no less
00:45:15.480 than CNN's very own Ron Burgundy, Jim Acosta himself.
00:45:19.360 What do you say to Americans who are upset with you over the way you downplayed this crisis over
00:45:25.140 the last couple of months? We have it very much under control in this country. The coronavirus is
00:45:30.800 very much under control in the USA. It's going to disappear. It's like a miracle. It will disappear.
00:45:35.680 March 4th. We have a very small number of people in this country infected. March 10th. We're prepared.
00:45:42.820 We're doing a great job with it. It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.
00:45:47.900 What do you say to Americans who believe that you got this wrong?
00:45:51.100 And I do want them to stay calm. And we are doing a great job. If you look at those individual
00:45:55.540 statements, they're all true. Stay calm. It will go away. You know it is going away.
00:46:01.720 And it will go away. And we're going to have a great victory. And it's people like you and CNN
00:46:06.940 that say things like that, that it's why people just don't want to listen to CNN anymore. You could
00:46:13.120 ask a normal question. The statements I made are, I want to keep the country calm. I don't want panic
00:46:18.520 in the country. I could cause panic much better than even you. I could do much. I would make you look
00:46:23.540 like a minor league player. But you know what? I don't want to do that. I want to have our country be calm
00:46:29.160 and strong and fight and win. And it will go away.
00:46:32.940 I love that comment he says there. I mean, I love the smackdown of Jim Acosta is always hilarious. But
00:46:37.460 I love that comment at the end. He goes, you know, instead of asking a nasty question, instead of trying
00:46:42.460 to spread panic, look, I could spread panic. I could spread panic a whole lot better than you. But I'm not
00:46:47.420 doing that. You know, we have the power to do this at our fingertips. We've got our social media accounts.
00:46:52.540 We talk to friends and family. We go on FaceTime and Skype and all right. We have the ability either
00:46:59.440 to keep a cool head, be rational, take in all of the information, not panic, not lose our minds,
00:47:06.940 not scream and wail and render garments. Or we can do that or we can generate panic. The choice
00:47:13.680 is ours. But Trump is saying, look, I'm not going to do that. I'm going to try to help the country yet.
00:47:18.160 And Jim Acosta is saying, rah, rah. I don't know. That's my impression of Jim Acosta. Look at me.
00:47:23.600 Look at me. I'm Jim Acosta, as, as Andrew Klavan says, you know, those are the two choices.
00:47:27.180 And that's a choice that not just the mainstream media have to make, but that each, each of us can
00:47:31.960 make as well. Don't forget, as we're trying to stop the spread of the virus, that only you
00:47:36.440 can stop the spread of fake news. All right. That is our show. Come back tomorrow. I'm sure we'll
00:47:42.760 have a whole lot more. In the meantime, I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show.
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