The Michael Knowles Show


Ep. 526 - Did Bernie Actually Drop Out?


Summary

The revolution comes to an end as Bernie Sanders drops out of the race. Or has he? We examine the strange and unconvincing way Bernie suspended his presidential campaign, and try to figure out whether or not there is a future for the Sanders campaign.


Transcript

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00:00:30.000 The revolution comes to an end as Bernie Sanders drops out of the race.
00:00:36.120 Or has he?
00:00:37.480 We will examine the strange and unconvincing way Bernie suspended his presidential campaign
00:00:42.740 and try to figure out whether or not there's a future for the Sandernistas.
00:00:47.020 Then, President Trump smacks down the World Health Organization and China,
00:00:51.060 but I repeat myself, and finally, the mailbag.
00:00:53.340 All that and more.
00:00:53.940 I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.
00:01:00.000 Bernie Sanders has ended his presidential campaign.
00:01:06.300 Or has he?
00:01:09.520 Or did he?
00:01:10.480 You know, one of the recurring features of the 2016 campaign is that long after Hillary Clinton
00:01:16.320 had locked up the Democratic nomination, all the Bernie bros kept posting these articles
00:01:20.720 like, one weird way that Bernie could still be the nominee.
00:01:24.340 Or, you know, it's like mid-2018.
00:01:26.180 One weird way Bernie could still win in 2016.
00:01:29.660 Well, it turns out there actually is some weird way in which Bernie could get the nomination
00:01:36.460 this time, or at least have a lot of power in the Democratic Party.
00:01:40.340 Bernie isn't giving that up yet, and so his pulling out is a little questionable.
00:01:45.160 We'll get to that in a second.
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00:02:53.580 Is the Sanders campaign really over?
00:02:59.840 Well, Bernie says it is, so I guess we should take him at his word, right?
00:03:04.440 Maybe.
00:03:04.900 I'm not so sure.
00:03:05.560 Here he is.
00:03:05.960 We are now some 300 delegates behind Vice President Biden, and the path toward victory
00:03:12.580 is virtually impossible.
00:03:14.420 So while we are winning the ideological battle, and while we are winning the support of so many
00:03:19.740 young people and working people throughout the country, I have concluded that this battle
00:03:25.480 for the Democratic nomination will not be successful.
00:03:29.080 And so today, I am announcing the suspension of my campaign.
00:03:34.600 Okay.
00:03:35.920 Open and shut case.
00:03:36.940 He says he's suspending his campaign.
00:03:38.840 He's suspending his campaign.
00:03:42.200 Except the thing with Bernie is, Bernie never just gives up.
00:03:46.360 Bernie never just goes away.
00:03:47.900 So as I'm listening to this, I'm just waiting for the turn, you know, the but, the however,
00:03:52.900 the although in the, in the statement.
00:03:55.860 And eventually, it comes because Bernie's dropping out of the race, but he's not endorsing Joe
00:04:02.740 Biden.
00:04:03.320 He's not releasing his delegates to Joe Biden.
00:04:06.380 And he doesn't even want to stop winning delegates in the Democratic primary.
00:04:11.800 Sure doesn't sound quite like he's dropping out to me.
00:04:14.900 Let me also say this.
00:04:16.740 I will stay on the ballot in all remaining states and continue to gather delegates.
00:04:21.840 While Vice President Biden will be the nominee,
00:04:24.680 we must continue working to assemble as many delegates as possible at the Democratic Convention,
00:04:31.740 where we will be able to exert significant influence over the party platform and other functions.
00:04:39.060 Then together, standing united, we will go forward to defeat Donald Trump,
00:04:45.040 the most dangerous president in modern American history.
00:04:48.500 Bernie, Bernie, you scheming communist.
00:04:51.780 Now, we are going to be dropping out of the race, except we're going to continue to be on all of the ballots.
00:04:58.200 And I encourage all of you to vote for me.
00:04:59.840 And I want to get many more delegates.
00:05:01.960 But look, Joe Biden, he's totally going to be the nominee, right?
00:05:04.920 But give me all the delegates and, you know, we'll see what happens at the convention.
00:05:08.480 OK, not much of an endorsement of Joe Biden.
00:05:12.240 What's going on here?
00:05:13.300 Well, a few things, I think.
00:05:16.660 Bernie Sanders has never been the leading man, right?
00:05:20.040 Bernie Sanders has always been the thorn in the side of Democrats.
00:05:24.320 And so it very well may be the case that Bernie Sanders is just going to try to build up his leverage
00:05:30.320 and get some more delegates and then go to the convention and try to make them a little bit more socialist,
00:05:35.800 though I suspect he won't succeed at that.
00:05:39.240 However, I'm not totally convinced that that's the case.
00:05:43.420 I'm not totally convinced Joe Biden is going to be the nominee.
00:05:45.600 And from what Bernie says, it doesn't quite sound like that either.
00:05:49.100 I think there's a lot of uncertainty now as to who the nominee is going to be.
00:05:52.880 You know, I love that right now Joe Biden is the only candidate left in the Democratic presidential race.
00:05:58.460 And his old boss, Barack Obama, still hasn't endorsed him.
00:06:03.660 It's very strange.
00:06:04.800 You would expect Obama to endorse Joe Biden very early.
00:06:07.500 Certainly would have expected him to endorse Joe Biden by the time he looked like he locked up the nomination.
00:06:12.600 He hasn't even endorsed him now that he's the last guy in the race.
00:06:15.600 And I think Bernie Sanders is looking at that.
00:06:17.620 And I think the Democratic establishment is looking at that.
00:06:19.800 And I think Andrew Cuomo in New York is looking at that.
00:06:21.680 And they're saying, I don't know if Joe is going to be the guy.
00:06:23.840 So Bernie Sanders is doing the responsible thing.
00:06:26.160 It's kind of the PR move that he has to do to get out of the race, especially with coronavirus.
00:06:30.720 Because he's not allowed to campaign.
00:06:32.380 He's not allowed to hold rallies.
00:06:34.080 He's considered to be imperiling people's health if he even encourages them to go out to vote.
00:06:39.980 So he's kind of been backed into a corner here by the Democratic establishment.
00:06:44.140 And I guess by this coronavirus.
00:06:47.080 And he can't really move one way or the other.
00:06:50.020 So he's got to drop out.
00:06:51.280 But he's dropping out without really dropping out.
00:06:53.740 He's dropping out while still trying to have a lot of influence at the convention.
00:06:58.480 In any case, no matter what Bernie's designs are, it does seem as though his campaign ultimately is over.
00:07:07.380 You know, it's headed for destruction.
00:07:09.360 Does look as though Bernie's come to the end of the line of his career in American politics, which has now spanned five decades.
00:07:15.920 And assuming all of that is true, I would just like to say Bernie Sanders is an anti-American old communist who has campaigned his entire life for an evil ideology that should be rejected by every decent human being.
00:07:31.200 Everything Bernie has ever contributed to politics is evil.
00:07:34.600 And we are all better off now that his career is over.
00:07:38.360 And if I could spit on the grave of his campaign, I would do it.
00:07:43.000 There.
00:07:43.560 I just, you know, I wanted really to have a nice moment to say goodbye to the Bernie campaign.
00:07:48.320 I mean it.
00:07:48.920 It's terrible.
00:07:49.700 There's nothing good to say about it.
00:07:51.640 His career has been awful.
00:07:53.820 It has been a pox on American politics.
00:07:56.640 The whole country would have been so much better off if that man had never run for any office in Burlington, Vermont, or elsewhere.
00:08:03.440 And I'm very, very, very pleased to know that his career is over or soon to be over.
00:08:10.620 Now, that means that as of now, the very likely nominee is going to be Joe Biden.
00:08:18.680 But it doesn't mean that Bernie Sanders has had no impact on the Democratic Party.
00:08:23.340 You know, part of Bernie's farewell, I guess, farewell to the troops, is to say even though we lost the electoral battle,
00:08:32.400 we've actually won the ideological war.
00:08:35.020 And I have to say the sad fact is Bernie's 50-year career has actually been somewhat effective,
00:08:42.920 at least on changing the conversation within the Democratic Party.
00:08:46.640 Good morning and thank you very much for joining me.
00:08:50.060 I want to express to each of you my deep gratitude for helping to create an unprecedented grassroots political campaign
00:08:59.440 that has had a profound impact in changing our nation.
00:09:03.880 It has.
00:09:04.980 It has.
00:09:05.460 Before Bernie Sanders really exploded in 2016,
00:09:09.360 some of these radical socialist policies were simply unacceptable.
00:09:13.880 The moniker socialist was unacceptable in American politics.
00:09:17.920 Without Bernie Sanders, there's no way that you see AOC and Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib and the whole squad
00:09:25.080 and all the people who are avowedly socialist.
00:09:27.880 You know, Bernie, when he became a senator in 2006, he was an independent, but he referred to himself as a socialist.
00:09:33.700 This was so shocking to people.
00:09:35.380 Now it's been normalized and actually the majority of young Americans identify as socialist,
00:09:40.300 even though only 32% of them can actually define what socialism is.
00:09:44.600 Still, that's a big sea change.
00:09:47.920 Now, as of right now, Joe Biden will be the nominee.
00:09:51.440 Biden is different than Bernie.
00:09:53.540 Biden is not enraptured by an evil ideology.
00:09:59.720 Joe Biden doesn't really have any kind of ideology at all.
00:10:03.120 Joe Biden is an empty suit.
00:10:04.780 He's just the kind of politician who wants his name on the post office.
00:10:07.360 It is worth pointing out, though, that Joe Biden, for his perhaps ideological, I can't call it moderation.
00:10:14.240 I could call it rudderlessness.
00:10:16.800 You know, he just doesn't really have any principles at all.
00:10:19.080 For all of that, it's worth pointing out he's been wrong on just about everything for his also five decade career in politics.
00:10:27.160 And a great recent example of this, because you can go all the way back to the 70s and find things he was wrong on.
00:10:33.400 But a great recent example is in 2011.
00:10:38.180 In 2011, Joe Biden was talking about the rise of China as one of the great geopolitical phenomenons of our lifetime.
00:10:45.580 And now, during coronavirus, during the trade war that we just recently had, the role of China is more important than any other role in foreign affairs.
00:10:54.460 Joe Biden got China completely wrong.
00:10:58.940 Remarkable, absolutely remarkable transformation.
00:11:02.700 Even back then, it was clear that there was that great things were happening.
00:11:07.880 And there was also a debate.
00:11:09.140 There was a debate here in the United States and, quite frankly, throughout most of the West, is whether a rising China was in the interest of the United States and the wider world.
00:11:19.420 As a young member of the Foreign Relations Committee, I wrote and I said, and I believed then what I believe now, that a rising China is a positive, positive development, not only for China, but for America and the world writ large.
00:11:34.180 Is it possible that Joe Biden could have been more wrong about that?
00:11:40.140 Now, he's not the only one who said this.
00:11:41.660 A lot of people on the left said this.
00:11:43.400 Some people on the right even said that.
00:11:44.880 And it just wasn't true.
00:11:46.560 A rising China has been absolutely devastating for the United States.
00:11:50.360 It was a mistake.
00:11:51.360 And the people who encouraged it were wrong and should be held accountable for it.
00:11:54.960 They should not be elected president.
00:11:57.040 But that's Joe Biden.
00:11:58.600 And Joe Biden wasn't just wrong on China then.
00:12:01.020 Joe Biden was wrong on China as late as January and February of this year.
00:12:06.120 Remember when President Trump closed up travel with China, Joe Biden accused him of xenophobia.
00:12:11.940 He said it was terrible that during a pandemic in China, a pandemic that was caused by China, we would cut off travel from China.
00:12:21.220 He has been so welcoming of China.
00:12:23.900 He's been a China first politician in some ways, or at least China on an equal par with everybody else, because a rising China is good for everybody, including the United States.
00:12:34.500 And that was just dead wrong.
00:12:35.860 This is Joe Biden, by the way, who fancies himself a foreign policy expert.
00:12:39.820 We'll get to some additional problems with that in just a second.
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00:13:54.540 Okay.
00:13:56.880 So Joe Biden, dead wrong on China.
00:13:58.960 Joe Biden, dead wrong on just about everything, including his own name, including where he is.
00:14:03.040 But don't forget, I mean, I think it's easy to say now, the biggest problem with Joe's campaign is that he's senile and he's not the man he was 10 years ago.
00:14:12.140 Even if he were the man he was 10 years ago, he is not the man for this moment.
00:14:17.500 Okay.
00:14:17.900 He's been so wrong on so many things.
00:14:20.940 And the China issue is not going away because China has infiltrated international organizations all over the world.
00:14:29.020 Okay.
00:14:29.160 They've now infiltrated four of the largest international organizations on earth.
00:14:33.800 No other country has come to dominate even more than one of them.
00:14:38.300 And so China's made a big effort this way.
00:14:40.240 One of the organizations that China has taken over is the World Health Organization.
00:14:44.940 They've taken over the World Health Organization by installing one of their puppets to run the place.
00:14:51.460 And that puppet is now paying off because that puppet is accusing, not so implicitly, Donald Trump of causing more body bags in the coronavirus pandemic.
00:15:02.780 And he's saying that if you at all raise any political questions about the World Health Organization, you too are going to be culpable for more death.
00:15:11.780 Please don't politicize this virus.
00:15:16.220 It exploits the differences you have at the national level.
00:15:22.580 If you want to be exploited and if you want to have many more body bags, then you do it.
00:15:34.260 If you don't want many more body bags, then you refrain from politicizing it.
00:15:42.660 It's like playing with fire.
00:15:45.980 So more than ever before, national unity is important if we care about our people.
00:15:54.220 If we care about our citizens.
00:15:57.500 Please, unity at national level.
00:16:00.880 No using COVID for political punch.
00:16:07.060 And then second, honest solidarity at global level.
00:16:13.840 And honest leadership from the U.S. and China.
00:16:19.840 We shouldn't waste time pointing fingers.
00:16:23.640 You know, it's very convenient that the people responsible for this pandemic are the ones encouraging us not to point fingers.
00:16:31.380 It's very convenient that China, which caused the pandemic entirely.
00:16:37.480 If China had acted just three weeks earlier, studies show 95% of the spread would not have happened.
00:16:43.160 If they'd acted even one week earlier, 66% of the spread would not have happened.
00:16:47.180 China, solely responsible for this.
00:16:49.060 They don't want us to point fingers.
00:16:50.740 The World Health Organization, which is now a mouthpiece for China, they don't want us to point fingers.
00:16:54.960 Come on, we need honest leadership from the U.S. and China, too.
00:16:58.180 But really, the U.S., they're being so dishonest.
00:17:00.360 Most important thing to understand this statement from the World Health Organization director is that that punk is a propagandist for the Chinese Communist Party.
00:17:12.800 Okay, his name is Tedros Adhanom Gebrezius.
00:17:16.560 I'm totally mispronouncing that, but whatever.
00:17:20.240 He's the World Health Organization director general.
00:17:22.680 China worked tirelessly behind the scenes, to quote news reports at the time, to have that guy installed.
00:17:29.440 That guy worked before he went to the WHO.
00:17:32.380 He worked in the government of the Marxist Ethiopian People's Revolutionary Democratic Front.
00:17:36.960 That regime was a notorious regime, notorious for torture, repression, and stealing elections.
00:17:44.120 And while this man was the health minister over there, he was responsible for covering up three cholera outbreaks.
00:17:52.360 This is a bad hombre.
00:17:54.300 He's not an honest actor.
00:17:55.560 He's not acting in good faith.
00:17:57.160 He's a mouthpiece for Chinese communists.
00:18:00.340 You know, the line we've heard the whole time from the left with this pandemic is,
00:18:05.280 if you question them, if you question the experts, if you question the politicians,
00:18:11.720 you are responsible for more people dying.
00:18:16.380 For their politics, you know, if you question Donald Trump, that makes you a patriot.
00:18:20.120 But if you question their guys, then you are responsible for more people dying.
00:18:26.980 Obviously, the WHO is using the same line.
00:18:29.880 Chinese communists generally are very good at exploiting American political divisions.
00:18:34.420 They've been good at that for a long time.
00:18:36.260 So President Trump now responds to the World Health Organization because the prompting event
00:18:43.700 for why they're even going after the U.S. right now is the U.S. is threatening to cut funding.
00:18:48.140 So does Donald Trump back down?
00:18:49.900 I don't think so.
00:18:51.020 The head of the World Health Organization today mourned against politicizing.
00:18:55.060 I agree with that.
00:18:55.760 And he said that that consequence of this politicization could actually create more body bags.
00:19:02.100 It's a pretty vivid image.
00:19:03.800 What do you believe the consequences of the U.S. pulling out its funding of the WHO?
00:19:08.860 Well, I think when you say more body bags, I think we would have done
00:19:11.720 and he would have been much better serving the people that he's supposed to serve
00:19:18.200 if they gave a correct analysis.
00:19:20.940 I mean, everything was, I said, China-centric.
00:19:24.600 Everything was going to be fine.
00:19:27.140 No human to human.
00:19:29.180 Keep the borders open.
00:19:30.400 He wanted me to keep the borders open.
00:19:32.020 I closed the borders despite him.
00:19:33.520 And that was a hard decision to make at the time.
00:19:35.700 We were all together.
00:19:36.520 We made a decision against the World Health Organization.
00:19:40.040 So when he says politicizing, he's politicizing.
00:19:43.260 That shouldn't be.
00:19:43.900 But look, we spend $450 billion, $452 billion, almost $500 billion last year,
00:19:52.320 hundreds of billions in previous years.
00:19:55.500 And they got to do better than that.
00:19:59.000 They got to do better.
00:19:59.840 When you talk about politics, I can't believe he's talking about politics
00:20:03.980 when look at the relationship they have to China.
00:20:06.520 So China spends $42 million.
00:20:08.440 We spend $450 million.
00:20:11.860 And everything seems to be China's way.
00:20:14.200 That's not right.
00:20:15.020 It's not fair to us.
00:20:16.780 And honestly, it's not fair to the world.
00:20:18.760 Who's politicizing the virus?
00:20:21.380 It's not us.
00:20:22.500 Okay, it's the World Health Organization, primarily, and all of their lackeys.
00:20:26.840 And China.
00:20:28.980 The World Health Organization didn't lift a finger to stop this pandemic until February.
00:20:34.460 Okay, we knew that this was in China now as early as October.
00:20:39.520 But WHO didn't do that.
00:20:41.020 Then when the WHO acted, do you know what they did?
00:20:46.300 They finally sent a couple experts months and months later.
00:20:50.600 And then their biggest campaign was to get people to stop calling it the Chinese coronavirus.
00:20:54.840 Their biggest campaign was not a medical campaign to stop the pandemic.
00:20:57.920 It was a PR campaign for China.
00:21:01.200 And now WHO says don't politicize the virus.
00:21:04.180 They're accusing Trump of filling up body bags because he would have the audacity to question our vaunted Marxist leaders at the WHO and in China.
00:21:13.900 I don't think so.
00:21:14.780 Okay, this is the perfect time to be criticizing the WHO, and it's a perfect time to defund them as well.
00:21:20.760 We've got to get to Ellen DeGeneres.
00:21:23.100 I know Ellen doesn't feature into our show very much, but Ellen is getting in a lot of trouble on the left and the right.
00:21:28.700 And I think we've got to defend her.
00:21:30.300 We'll get to that in just a second, and we'll get to why the models turned out to be so wrong and what we can do about that.
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00:22:43.100 Ellen is in trouble.
00:22:44.940 Ellen is in trouble because she's broadcasting from her home right now, just like a lot of people on TV are.
00:22:51.240 They've had home studios set up.
00:22:52.660 And so she's broadcasting from there, but she got in trouble because she said, this whole quarantine feels really bad.
00:23:00.580 It actually feels like you're in jail.
00:23:03.040 The thing that I've learned from being in quarantine is that people, this is like being in jail is what it is.
00:23:10.160 It's mostly because I've been wearing the same clothes for 10 days, and everyone in here is gay.
00:23:14.360 The jokes that I have.
00:23:18.340 I feel bad for the kids at home, all the college students, all the parents.
00:23:23.700 I feel bad for a lot of people, but I think that a lot of people out there need words of encouragement, and that's what I want to do.
00:23:29.740 I want to spread light where there's shade.
00:23:32.880 Okay.
00:23:33.380 First of all, great joke.
00:23:35.180 It's a very funny joke, right, because I haven't changed my clothes in 10 days, and everyone in here is gay.
00:23:39.900 But the point she's making is true as well.
00:23:43.040 The point was a setup for a joke, so she should get leeway anyway, but the point she's making is true, which is in part why the joke is funny.
00:23:50.320 It feels like we're in jail.
00:23:52.900 A lot of people responded to this.
00:23:54.580 They said, I've served time, and jail's nothing like your multi-million dollar house.
00:23:58.440 You don't know nothing about jail.
00:23:59.820 You're so out of touch.
00:24:01.640 No, it is like jail.
00:24:03.360 Okay, and I think the critics of Ellen right now are confused because they think that the defining feature of jail is how nice the beds are,
00:24:10.260 or, you know, how big the windows are.
00:24:13.560 That's not the defining feature of jail.
00:24:15.080 The defining feature of jail is whether or not you're allowed to leave.
00:24:18.920 Okay, and increasingly, we are not allowed to leave our homes.
00:24:22.900 In L.A., they've just said if you leave your home without a face mask on, you're going to be in trouble with the government.
00:24:28.520 In Hamilton County, Ohio, we talked about this one yesterday, there is a prosecutor out there who is charging people with felonious assault if they leave their homes.
00:24:38.220 We are, for all intents and purposes, in certain parts of this country, in jail right now.
00:24:43.680 And we might be in jail with golden handcuffs.
00:24:46.520 We might be in jail with nice, you know, amenities and luxury.
00:24:51.200 But it doesn't matter how much luxury you've got if you're not free to leave.
00:24:55.180 And so it's a very good point made by Ellen and a pretty funny joke as well.
00:24:59.840 And, you know, I think people should just lay off her.
00:25:01.780 I think she's saying the right things when a lot of people around here are saying the wrong things.
00:25:07.840 Now we've got to get back to Joe Biden because another television personality, Whoopi Goldberg, has made a major faux pas.
00:25:14.560 And it just shows you what to expect for the next several months as we plot our way to November.
00:25:20.080 However, the fawning, the praise, the absolute ignorance is not just true of Whoopi.
00:25:28.520 It's typical of a lot of people on the left.
00:25:31.760 Whoopi Goldberg has an idea for the Biden administration.
00:25:34.080 The Biden administration, he'll pick his vice president and his cabinet.
00:25:38.060 But the surgeon general obviously should be none other than Dr. Jill Biden.
00:25:42.420 The word doctor is right there in her name.
00:25:44.240 I'm hoping Dr. Jill becomes a surgeon general.
00:25:48.820 His wife.
00:25:49.700 Yeah.
00:25:50.300 Joe Biden.
00:25:50.700 Joe Biden's wife.
00:25:51.940 Because she, you know, he would never do it.
00:25:53.660 But she, yeah, she's a hell of a doctor.
00:25:55.700 She's an amazing doctor.
00:25:57.040 I just like her.
00:25:57.960 PhD.
00:25:58.580 Yeah.
00:25:58.880 I don't, I don't know.
00:25:59.780 I could be wrong.
00:26:00.680 Yeah, I think she's a teacher.
00:26:03.100 But, you know, might be good for Betsy DeVos' post.
00:26:06.880 Oh, that's so awkward because it's not awkward that she got the doctor thing wrong.
00:26:13.460 It is very confusing that people who are teachers go by doctor and people who are physicians
00:26:17.140 go by doctor.
00:26:18.100 And it's especially confusing because we think that physicians are the real doctors,
00:26:22.260 but the word doctor actually means teacher.
00:26:24.020 It comes from the Latin docere.
00:26:25.820 So anyway, I understand that it's complicated with the title.
00:26:29.720 What gets Whoopi in trouble is she goes, oh yeah, Jill, she's an amazing doctor.
00:26:32.880 Oh, she's an amazing doctor.
00:26:34.940 Of course she should be surgeon general.
00:26:36.220 Then we find out Whoopi doesn't know, first of all, anything about Jill Biden's career.
00:26:41.220 She doesn't even know what Jill Biden does as a career.
00:26:44.260 Jill Biden has a doctorate in education.
00:26:48.620 She's not a doctor of medicine.
00:26:50.580 She's not a PhD in English or history.
00:26:53.740 She's a doctor of education.
00:26:55.940 She's a teacher of teaching.
00:26:57.940 She'd be an amazing surgeon general.
00:27:00.780 This is what we're going to hear now until November is everything Joe Biden ever did is
00:27:04.600 wonderful.
00:27:05.000 Everything Jill Biden ever did is wonderful.
00:27:06.580 Probably everything Hunter Biden ever did is wonderful.
00:27:08.680 They've already gotten to that point in the New York Times, giving him fawning profiles
00:27:11.760 for his artwork while he's refusing to pay child support on his last most recent kid.
00:27:18.000 Not the most recent one, but the last most recent one.
00:27:20.340 That's what you can expect.
00:27:21.760 And we should be able to see very clearly what's going on with Joe Biden.
00:27:24.400 We should be able to see very clearly what's going on in our national pandemic as well.
00:27:30.220 And as you know, increasingly, we're not allowed to question anything that's going on.
00:27:34.000 Well, Dr. Birx gave us a little bit of truth yesterday during the White House press briefing
00:27:40.240 on the coronavirus.
00:27:41.560 Because you remember we were told two million Americans are going to die, maybe more.
00:27:45.400 Then they downgraded it.
00:27:46.600 Then they downgraded it.
00:27:47.460 Then they downgraded it.
00:27:48.940 So right now, Dr. Birx is essentially admitting that the models were wrong.
00:27:55.820 I think all of you, many of you have done the analysis of the same models that we utilized.
00:28:00.500 And if you do the models of the models, you end up with that range.
00:28:05.680 At the same time, we've carefully looked at Italy and Spain.
00:28:10.900 And we are doing much better in many cases than several other countries.
00:28:17.320 And we're trying to understand that.
00:28:18.800 We believe that our health care delivery system in the United States is quite extraordinary.
00:28:23.640 I know many of you are watching the Act Now model and the IHME model.
00:28:28.620 And they have consistently decreased the number, the mortality, from over almost 90,000 or 86,000
00:28:38.720 down to 81,000 and now down to 61,000.
00:28:41.740 That is modeled on what America is doing.
00:28:45.820 You know I hate to say I told you so.
00:28:48.460 You know I hate to do that.
00:28:49.760 But I told you so.
00:28:52.820 Early on, we heard numbers.
00:28:54.580 Two million.
00:28:55.220 One million.
00:28:55.920 Then it got revised down.
00:28:57.160 But when we heard those two million numbers, I said that that was almost certainly not true.
00:29:04.920 Then we heard revised down numbers.
00:29:07.420 500,000.
00:29:08.340 I said at the time, almost certainly not true.
00:29:11.540 Then we heard America is going to be just like Italy.
00:29:14.140 We're going to be hit just as hard.
00:29:15.220 We might be hit harder.
00:29:16.560 When that happened, I said, that is probably not true.
00:29:20.920 Because Italy has the second oldest population in the world.
00:29:24.400 They greet each other by kissing and everybody smokes.
00:29:28.760 And they haven't had a functioning government since Octavian.
00:29:30.700 Remember I said that?
00:29:31.960 And people attacked me.
00:29:33.380 On the left and the right.
00:29:34.520 People on the right, too.
00:29:35.360 They said, oh, we're going to be Italy in two days.
00:29:37.460 Where it's going to be exactly like Italy.
00:29:38.840 The hospitals are going to be completely overrun.
00:29:40.480 It's going to be a disaster.
00:29:41.680 You're going to see hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Americans die.
00:29:44.200 Guess what?
00:29:44.680 Turns out, I was right.
00:29:46.040 And the skeptics were right.
00:29:47.400 It's not just me.
00:29:48.040 There were many other people who were skeptical of these models that had us all shut down the entire government.
00:29:53.580 And one thing that's worth pointing out here, because what you're going to hear from now until eternity is nobody taking any responsibility here.
00:30:02.940 What you're going to hear is right.
00:30:04.460 It would have been two million if we hadn't social distanced.
00:30:08.600 Oh, yeah.
00:30:09.120 If it would have been two million if we hadn't shut down the global economy.
00:30:14.100 There's no evidence of that.
00:30:15.440 OK, perhaps not the initial models, but all the models we've seen after that were taking into account the measures that the United States was taking.
00:30:23.900 The social distancing, the shutdown, the handwashing, the stupid masks.
00:30:27.900 It was taking into account all of that.
00:30:29.780 OK, and the models were still outrageously hyperbolic.
00:30:34.260 Somebody ought to be held responsible for this.
00:30:36.340 And I don't even mean to hold the experts responsible.
00:30:38.440 The experts are just doing what experts do, which is get things wrong.
00:30:42.260 OK, the epidemiologists were just doing what epidemiologists,
00:30:45.440 do, which is get things wrong.
00:30:47.680 Epidemiology is nearly as fake a science as climatology.
00:30:51.160 OK, it is an imprecise science that's based on predicting the future, which nobody can do.
00:30:57.140 The people we've got to hold responsible are the politicians who were so hyperbolic,
00:31:02.880 who overreacted, who leapt to shut everything down.
00:31:07.440 Down, because now we are hearing from the vaunted experts themselves that the hysterical alarmists were wrong and the skeptics were right.
00:31:15.780 Got so much more to get to, including the mailbag.
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00:32:44.960 We'll be right back with the mailbag and with a quick clip from a chat I had with my friend, Glenn Beck.
00:32:49.900 All right.
00:33:02.760 We've got to get to the mailbag.
00:33:04.020 But first, I want to play just a short clip of an interview I had with my friend, Glenn Beck.
00:33:09.380 We're going to post the whole interview on YouTube.
00:33:11.920 But I wanted to chat with him because, one, whenever we're in actual catastrophes, Glenn is like a prophet.
00:33:19.060 He is the voice of one crying out in the wilderness.
00:33:21.020 And he's really good on issues of monetary policy, on explaining the Federal Reserve.
00:33:25.880 A lot of the issues that are going on right now that people aren't talking about because they're not the top line of the pandemic.
00:33:30.880 So he gets into that and, also very importantly, Glenn Beck has a new book coming out, Arguing with Socialists.
00:33:37.280 This is in the vein of my favorite book he ever wrote called Arguing with Idiots, which is absolutely terrific if you haven't read it yet.
00:33:44.780 And Arguing with Socialists is really great too.
00:33:46.700 So for just a couple minutes here, here is my friend, Glenn Beck.
00:33:56.060 The Fed controls that by how much they, how many dollars they print.
00:34:02.380 Right now, they are taking and stealing your savings by inflating the dollar.
00:34:08.960 You won't be able to buy as much as you could just a few weeks ago very, very soon.
00:34:15.380 So it punishes people who save and play by the rules.
00:34:20.520 We see this kind of innumeracy, you know, this just inability to keep track of numbers playing out in some of the characters in your book.
00:34:27.880 And I fear now that we're talking about $2 trillion stimulus and then the Fed's going to lever that up to $6 trillion in lending.
00:34:35.120 And when we're talking these huge numbers that people are going to lose sight of what that means, the value of a dollar maybe.
00:34:40.540 You know, the AOC Green New Deal is $93 trillion by some estimates over 10 years.
00:34:47.080 But, you know, that's, that means it's what?
00:34:48.880 $9.3 trillion each year.
00:34:50.900 We're already talking about $10 trillion proposals.
00:34:53.880 Is there a way that we get out of this?
00:34:55.920 And I know you talk about eco-socialism in the book.
00:34:59.100 Is there a way we get out of the coronavirus and the left says, look, we can raise the money.
00:35:04.020 We just saw it last week.
00:35:05.360 Why can't we have the Green New Deal today?
00:35:08.120 The reason why they're saying $6 trillion is that you remember that $2 trillion that we've just passed was actually $6 trillion because the Federal Reserve put in another $4 trillion that they don't have.
00:35:20.320 They just printed.
00:35:21.880 The way to get out of that is to do modern monetary theory.
00:35:26.160 It is why, if you read the last chapter, you'll understand it.
00:35:29.280 It is really why the socialists have come up with it and why they love it so much because they don't need to tax anybody.
00:35:36.980 They don't need to talk about raising income tax.
00:35:39.300 They don't have to worry about how we're going to pay for it.
00:35:41.760 You see the printing press over there?
00:35:43.400 All we do is turn that on.
00:35:45.600 That's how we pay for it.
00:35:46.980 That's modern monetary theory.
00:35:48.760 It is so crazy because it is the simplest idea.
00:35:53.080 What?
00:35:53.600 If you just say it's valued at that, then it's valued at that.
00:35:57.040 Then why didn't every king and every dictator in the history of the world come up with that?
00:36:04.160 They did.
00:36:05.260 It doesn't work.
00:36:06.580 It doesn't work.
00:36:07.600 And they keep pushing it.
00:36:08.860 And I mean, this ties in more broadly with the popularity of socialism because there was this very scary study came out about a year ago, which said that over half of young Americans now identify as socialists.
00:36:21.000 And that's the bad news.
00:36:22.020 But the good news is only about 32% can explain what socialism is.
00:36:26.480 So the popularity of socialism now, is this a matter of the idea being really new and hot and sexy?
00:36:32.400 Or is it just a matter of ignorance?
00:36:34.740 I think there's a couple of things.
00:36:37.340 One, if you look at somebody your age, how old are you, Michael?
00:36:40.500 I am.
00:36:41.020 I just turned 30.
00:36:41.760 I'm officially an adult by today's standards.
00:36:44.520 Okay.
00:36:45.280 All right.
00:36:45.560 So you remember you were 10 around September 11th, right?
00:36:51.840 Yeah.
00:36:52.000 Okay.
00:36:53.560 So September 11th happened.
00:36:55.400 And your memories of that is it was a shock.
00:36:58.200 Everybody was freaking out.
00:36:59.920 The stock market collapsed and they closed it down.
00:37:03.440 And maybe people lost money and they lost their jobs.
00:37:06.280 Then your next big memory is 2008 where the banks went crazy.
00:37:11.600 You lost a lot of money.
00:37:13.140 Nobody had jobs.
00:37:14.280 Now your next one is this.
00:37:16.620 Yeah.
00:37:16.880 When nobody had jobs, money was tight.
00:37:19.500 You couldn't get a loan.
00:37:20.940 People were getting richer because the government.
00:37:23.660 This is a system that if you are 30 years old, you've never seen this system work right.
00:37:29.740 You've never seen this system provide any kind of stability.
00:37:34.000 And you're looking at your parents and you're like, my dad just lost his job.
00:37:38.720 They lost everything.
00:37:40.240 He was just starting to turn it around and he lost everything.
00:37:43.100 This is ridiculous.
00:37:44.480 I don't want this.
00:37:46.120 But they've never seen actual socialism.
00:37:50.460 There's a whole chapter on Sweden and Finland and Iceland and all these socialist countries.
00:37:55.960 They are not socialist countries.
00:37:58.400 They are capitalist countries more free than we are.
00:38:02.720 Fewer regulation on business than we have by a great deal.
00:38:07.980 So they're more free.
00:38:09.300 It is easier for you to start your own business.
00:38:13.740 Three out of the five have lower taxes on corporations than we do.
00:38:19.560 They have a big safety net.
00:38:22.220 Well, that's not bad.
00:38:24.080 That's not socialism.
00:38:26.040 That's a safety net.
00:38:27.920 All right.
00:38:28.680 We'll get to the rest of that interview over on YouTube so you can go check that out.
00:38:32.980 But Glenn, always so interesting, especially on those kind of topics.
00:38:35.860 And the book is arguing with socialists.
00:38:38.620 Let's get to the mailbag.
00:38:39.520 I'm going to fly through these.
00:38:40.680 Okay.
00:38:40.800 This is going to be a speed round.
00:38:41.880 From Martin.
00:38:42.840 Hi, Michael.
00:38:43.780 What will the government ask the Chinese Communist Party in regards to a compensation damages packages
00:38:48.980 for bereaved families and the destroyed livelihoods due to its gross negligence?
00:38:54.940 If negligence occurred in corporate or a company private sector, and I'm not sure what this wording is here,
00:39:02.080 wouldn't they be charged with manslaughter?
00:39:05.400 Very possibly they would, but international relations is not just the private market.
00:39:09.700 And we're in a very difficult situation right now because our largest creditor is China.
00:39:14.360 China has bought up so much of our debt.
00:39:16.620 We've also outsourced all of our manufacturing to China.
00:39:19.300 So China, in some ways, has us in an unfortunate grip.
00:39:25.020 The people who suggested that we do all that told us, oh, there's no big deal.
00:39:29.660 You can outsource all of your manufacturing.
00:39:31.520 You'll get cheap consumer products.
00:39:33.180 It's a win-win.
00:39:34.280 There's no reason ever to put any barrier up to trade.
00:39:37.100 It's just a win-win.
00:39:38.100 Now we're seeing the national security implications of that.
00:39:41.280 The way out in the short term is to disentangle ourselves from China.
00:39:45.740 We won't be able to talk at all about punishment or compensation until we do that.
00:39:50.620 Unfortunately, that's what President Trump ran on.
00:39:52.540 It's what he's been starting to do in the first term, and hopefully he'll complete in the second term.
00:39:57.920 From Timmer.
00:39:59.400 Hi, Michael.
00:39:59.800 I really enjoy watching your show and the reasoning you give behind a lot of issues.
00:40:03.240 One question I had.
00:40:04.080 Do you think this nasty Chinese virus originated from eating bats or from a Wuhan lab from which it accidentally or not accidentally escaped?
00:40:11.020 Thank you very much.
00:40:11.860 I think that it's very possible the virus began in nature, but I think that there are a lot of ties linking the virus to that laboratory in Wuhan.
00:40:23.620 There are a lot of questions about how the bats that were infected could even have gotten to the Wuhan wet market.
00:40:30.280 I suspect that the Chinese government played a much larger role in this than people are letting on.
00:40:36.020 From Brian.
00:40:37.220 Hi, Michael.
00:40:37.720 There's a huge issue that is being raised in evangelical circles right now that I'm wondering if you can address.
00:40:42.660 It's the idea of corporate sin.
00:40:44.220 These days, there's a lot of talk about how, on top of our individual sins, we bear a portion of the collective or systemic sins of our societies,
00:40:51.220 like the collective sin of slavery or racism.
00:40:53.700 I personally reject this notion, and I think it comes from cultural Marxism.
00:40:57.140 What do you think?
00:40:57.800 Yeah, I think that's about right.
00:40:59.380 You sin individually.
00:41:01.080 That's how you sin.
00:41:02.660 You're not responsible for somebody else's sin.
00:41:04.920 You sin individually.
00:41:06.340 Now, we all bear original sin, which is what happened when our first father, Adam, sinned, and sin and death pervaded the world.
00:41:12.660 And that is just the world in which we live now.
00:41:15.220 We are tainted by that.
00:41:16.720 But the sins that we commit are our own problems.
00:41:19.540 This idea of corporate sin, this idea that, you know, look, I don't need to worry so much about my sins,
00:41:23.940 but I am responsible for my great-great-great-great-granddaddy's friend who owned a slave.
00:41:28.760 That is, I think, actually another form of pride.
00:41:32.460 It's a way of saying, I don't need to focus on my own sins.
00:41:34.720 I need to worry about somebody else's sins a long time ago who wasn't me, but I'm such a good person that I'll bear some responsibility for that.
00:41:42.900 That's an inversion of the reality of our relationship to sin, and we should focus on the man in the mirror.
00:41:48.880 From Jay, most esteemed and knowledgeable knowles, I was raised as a non-believer and became virulently anti-theist.
00:41:55.180 But eventually, listening to all of you, as well as other apologists, I came to believe I had been wrong.
00:42:00.500 I now consider myself a Christian, but I have not yet chosen a church.
00:42:03.620 I hope to choose between the big three, Catholicism, Protestantism, and Orthodoxy.
00:42:07.680 What pulled you toward the Catholic Church?
00:42:09.480 Was it solely family background, or was there more to it for you?
00:42:12.640 No, it was not solely family background.
00:42:14.400 I was a cradle Catholic, and then I fell away for 10 years.
00:42:17.620 Actually, when I reverted to the church, I was initially attracted by Protestants, by evangelicals, and by Calvinists even,
00:42:25.780 and by versions and denominations of Christianity that I don't really agree with anymore, but they helped to bring me in.
00:42:35.080 And then I arrived back at the Catholic Church because I think the historical claims of the Catholic Church are true.
00:42:40.220 And I found it to be a little strange that virtually every Christian for all of history believed basically the exact same thing until about the 16th century.
00:42:52.680 And then even around that time, all the major Protestant thinkers, Martin Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, Wesley,
00:43:00.620 these guys believed many things that would now be called almost exclusively Catholic.
00:43:05.080 For instance, in the perpetual virginity of Mary, which all of them believed.
00:43:10.200 And Calvin said there wasn't enough evidence on either side of the question, but they all accepted as possible, if not probable, even back then.
00:43:19.440 And then this is branched out.
00:43:20.560 So for the big three, you're going to face another big problem, which is that the big three are actually two and then like 30,000,
00:43:28.380 because obviously Protestantism is not one unified church, but I think it's about 30,000 denominations.
00:43:33.080 So I guess 30,002 are your choices.
00:43:37.160 But I think that the historical claims of the church are true.
00:43:39.960 The Catholic Church, I think that, you know, Christ built his church upon that rock of Peter.
00:43:46.040 And I think that he gave Peter the keys to the kingdom of heaven.
00:43:49.000 And whatever he binds on earth will be bound in heaven.
00:43:50.700 And whatever he looses on earth will be loosed in heaven.
00:43:53.040 He breathed on the apostles, gave them the Holy Spirit and the power to forgive sins.
00:43:56.400 And whose sins they forgive are forgiven.
00:43:57.980 And whose sins they retain are retained.
00:44:00.060 And on a broader level, I think that that sacrament, the sacramental nature of the church is very important.
00:44:06.100 The church is incarnational.
00:44:07.600 It's not just in our minds.
00:44:08.640 We can't just live stream the church forever.
00:44:10.600 We have to engage in the sacraments really.
00:44:12.840 And the clearest form of that is the blessed sacrament, which is the unity of heaven and earth,
00:44:17.840 the unity of the physical and the metaphysical.
00:44:20.040 It is the host that becomes literally the body and blood of Christ.
00:44:23.940 From Reeve.
00:44:24.640 Greetings to the least execrable Michael Knowles I know.
00:44:27.960 I'm 16 and currently attending college.
00:44:30.180 I'm a very motivated person usually.
00:44:31.940 But lately, my motivation has been in rapid decline, especially during school.
00:44:35.860 As someone who has done a lot of work in life, can you give any insight in how to rekindle motivation?
00:44:43.500 Yes, I can do that.
00:44:45.800 This happens to everybody.
00:44:46.940 It doesn't matter how motivated you are.
00:44:48.840 When you get off your rhythm, you can get depressed.
00:44:51.220 You can get sluggish.
00:44:52.000 You stop doing things.
00:44:53.160 You have to recognize that there is a purpose.
00:44:57.880 Okay, a purpose to your life, a purpose to this week, a purpose to this day, a purpose to the thing that you're working on.
00:45:03.740 You only have so many minutes.
00:45:05.320 You are going to die someday and you are going to be held accountable for what you did with the time that you have.
00:45:11.440 If that's not a motivating factor, I don't know what could be.
00:45:14.140 Before we go, I want to get down to a question that someone emailed in.
00:45:17.420 This is from Maddie.
00:45:18.340 And it's an important question because I've heard this crop up a few times.
00:45:24.100 Maddie asks, Michael, there is one pro-choice argument that I've had trouble articulating a response to.
00:45:30.020 Bill Nye says, Bill Nye, you know, that brilliant theologian.
00:45:33.460 Not only not a theologian, also not a scientist.
00:45:35.380 Bill Nye says, a lot of men of European descent are passing reproductive laws based on ignorance.
00:45:42.320 Many, many more eggs are fertilized than become humans.
00:45:45.100 Eggs get fertilized.
00:45:46.920 Sperm get accepted by ova a lot.
00:45:49.380 But that's not all you need.
00:45:50.740 How does the early embryo mortality and the fact that the design of our bodies seems to not value a fertilized egg fit in with what I believe,
00:45:58.900 which is that life begins at conception when a unique set of DNA is formed.
00:46:03.400 Thanks.
00:46:04.840 There's a difference between natural death and murder, is the answer.
00:46:10.020 That's how.
00:46:10.440 Everybody dies eventually.
00:46:12.500 That doesn't mean it's okay to murder people.
00:46:15.080 Because you could just reframe the question and say, you know, I was looking around and I found out that everybody dies.
00:46:19.720 So, how do I reconcile my belief that it's bad to murder people with the obvious point that nature doesn't care about that because everybody dies?
00:46:30.540 Right.
00:46:31.160 Because there's a difference between the things that happen in nature and the moral order.
00:46:37.880 Right.
00:46:38.160 So, there's a difference between the natural fact of our death and decay and the moral question of whether I will hasten that decay and I will attack somebody else.
00:46:49.480 I also love that Bill Nye says, he singles out white men for some reason.
00:46:53.380 He says a lot of European, men of European descent are passing these laws.
00:46:57.600 First of all, 50% of pro-life people are women.
00:47:00.280 But Bill Nye is a man of European descent and he's passing, he's saying a lot of things that are coming from ignorance as well.
00:47:08.980 So, I would just point out that the facts of the natural world are not prescriptive necessarily in the moral order.
00:47:18.260 We see plenty of things.
00:47:20.200 Rape and killing and pillaging and burning happens in the natural world all the time.
00:47:24.840 Doesn't make it a good thing.
00:47:26.700 All right.
00:47:26.980 That's our show.
00:47:27.600 How's that for an uncontroversial statement to end on?
00:47:30.540 It's bad to murder.
00:47:32.580 Okay.
00:47:33.520 We've got so much more to do, but we'll just have to see you on Monday.
00:47:37.860 Unless you listen to the Ben Shapiro show today on radio, I'm going to be filling in for that.
00:47:42.460 Maybe we'll have some verdict with Ted Cruz come out this weekend.
00:47:44.940 Look, we've got a lot of stuff on the horizon.
00:47:46.860 In the meantime, I'm Michael Knowles.
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00:48:48.720 You're about to hear a clip from the new Starbucks vs. Dunkin' season of Business Wars.
00:48:53.020 But before that, make sure to subscribe to Business Wars and other great podcasts from Wondery
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00:49:06.560 It's 1950 in Quincy, Massachusetts.
00:49:15.440 At 6 a.m. on a cool September morning, a big genial man named Bill Rosenberg opens his store's glass door.
00:49:22.680 He calls the place Open Kettle.
00:49:24.620 It's the first donut and coffee shop ever to provide seats for its customers.
00:49:29.020 A group of men wait outside, eager for their morning java.
00:49:32.880 Some are factory workers.
00:49:34.280 Others are salesmen and businessmen.
00:49:35.960 The first to hurry in wears heavy pants and a work shirt.
00:49:40.740 Morning, Bill.
00:49:41.900 Hey, Marty.
00:49:42.740 Ready for the usual?
00:49:43.840 You bet.
00:49:44.780 Coffee with two sugars and two glazed donuts.
00:49:47.700 Gotta have it to start my day.
00:49:50.220 Rosenberg turns to two men who sport suits, ties, and hats.
00:49:54.320 Morning, guys.
00:49:55.460 Hey, Bill.
00:49:56.200 Know what?
00:49:56.840 Your coffee smells so good it wakes me up before I've had a sip.
00:50:00.900 The men sit at the low, curved counter on leather-top stools.
00:50:04.820 Rosenberg goes behind the counter.
00:50:06.940 He smiles as he fills their cups with the drink they crave.
00:50:10.420 As soon as their cups are empty, he fills them up again.
00:50:13.820 Above the pot, a wall sign reads,
00:50:16.100 Ours is the best coffee in the world.
00:50:18.300 Every morning, his shop fills up like this, and it never fails to make him smile.
00:50:24.560 He heads into the kitchen.
00:50:26.740 He loves watching the donut dough cook in the fryer's bubbling oil.
00:50:30.820 When they turn golden brown, cooks whisk them from the fryer with giant spoons.
00:50:35.580 He savors the donut's rich, yeasty fragrance as they cool on metal racks.
00:50:40.120 Beside the racks, deep bowls are filled with frosting in vanilla, chocolate, strawberry, and maple flavors.
00:50:48.040 Rosenberg grabs a tablespoon and digs out a taste of strawberry icing, his favorite.
00:50:53.300 Dozens of donuts are iced.
00:50:55.160 Others are dipped in powdered sugar and shot full of cream.
00:50:58.880 Many are stuffed with jelly in succulent flavors.
00:51:02.020 Lemon, blueberry, pineapple, apple spice.
00:51:05.380 Rosenberg picks up a jelly donut.
00:51:08.560 As he bites into it, a big magenta blob squirts onto his shirt.
00:51:12.700 He laughs, wipes it off, and licks it from his finger.
00:51:16.800 There's just one thing about his store that he doesn't like.
00:51:20.500 He calls his staff together.
00:51:23.360 We're doing great, but I hate the name of the store.
00:51:27.300 You're the one who named it Open Kettle.
00:51:29.820 True, true, I'll take the blame.
00:51:31.840 But we need another name.
00:51:33.300 Throw out anything that comes to mind.
00:51:36.740 How about Mr. Donut?
00:51:38.520 Or our best donuts?
00:51:40.500 Maybe, maybe, I feel like we could do better.
00:51:46.040 I got it.
00:51:47.160 What do you do with a donut and coffee?
00:51:49.680 You dunk the donut.
00:51:51.620 That's it.
00:51:52.760 Dunkin' donuts.
00:51:54.180 Yeah, it's got a nice ring to it.
00:51:57.120 But coffee is Rosenberg's true love.
00:52:00.040 To prove it, the big news sign outside his store reads,
00:52:04.700 Dunkin' Donuts, the world's finest coffee.
00:52:08.880 Like every dedicated coffee purveyor who will follow him,
00:52:12.520 Bill Rosenberg is passionate about brewing the perfect cup.
00:52:16.420 An eighth grade dropout, Rosenberg would teach the average Joe
00:52:19.780 to take their cup of Joe more seriously in America.
00:52:22.260 Decades in the future, that passion will take his company where he never imagined it would go,
00:52:29.140 head-to-head with a cross-country rival that becomes a global juggernaut.
00:52:34.700 Starbucks Coffee, Tea & Spice opens in 1971 in a small store in Seattle's historic Pike Place Market.
00:52:45.980 The store is designed to look slightly nautical.
00:52:48.820 A long wall with wooden shelves displays 30 different kinds of coffee.
00:52:53.980 They sell only coffee beans and the best home coffee machines.
00:52:57.700 But they sometimes offer samples, served in porcelain cups, that make the coffee taste even better.
00:53:05.260 Seattle is in an economic downturn, but Starbucks catches on.
00:53:10.160 It's a hit with Seattle citizens who love the idea of savoring their coffee at home,
00:53:14.860 especially on those gloomy days in winter.
00:53:17.840 And Starbucks is the only place in Seattle that offers quality coffee.
00:53:21.760 It catches the attention of a young 28-year-old.
00:53:26.360 From the moment he encounters Starbucks, he and the entire business will never be the same.
00:53:34.460 His name is...
00:53:37.480 That was just a preview of the first episode of Starbucks vs. Dunkin' on Business Wars.
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