The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 526 - Did Bernie Actually Drop Out？

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00:00:30.000 The revolution comes to an end as Bernie Sanders drops out of the race.

00:00:36.120 Or has he?

00:00:37.480 We will examine the strange and unconvincing way Bernie suspended his presidential campaign

00:00:42.740 and try to figure out whether or not there's a future for the Sandernistas.

00:00:47.020 Then, President Trump smacks down the World Health Organization and China,

00:00:51.060 but I repeat myself, and finally, the mailbag.

00:00:53.340 All that and more.

00:00:53.940 I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:00.000 Bernie Sanders has ended his presidential campaign.

00:01:06.300 Or has he?

00:01:09.520 Or did he?

00:01:10.480 You know, one of the recurring features of the 2016 campaign is that long after Hillary Clinton

00:01:16.320 had locked up the Democratic nomination, all the Bernie bros kept posting these articles

00:01:20.720 like, one weird way that Bernie could still be the nominee.

00:01:24.340 Or, you know, it's like mid-2018.

00:01:26.180 One weird way Bernie could still win in 2016.

00:01:29.660 Well, it turns out there actually is some weird way in which Bernie could get the nomination

00:01:36.460 this time, or at least have a lot of power in the Democratic Party. 0.92

00:01:40.340 Bernie isn't giving that up yet, and so his pulling out is a little questionable.

00:01:45.160 We'll get to that in a second.

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00:02:53.580 Is the Sanders campaign really over?

00:02:59.840 Well, Bernie says it is, so I guess we should take him at his word, right?

00:03:04.440 Maybe.

00:03:04.900 I'm not so sure.

00:03:05.560 Here he is.

00:03:05.960 We are now some 300 delegates behind Vice President Biden, and the path toward victory

00:03:12.580 is virtually impossible.

00:03:14.420 So while we are winning the ideological battle, and while we are winning the support of so many

00:03:19.740 young people and working people throughout the country, I have concluded that this battle

00:03:25.480 for the Democratic nomination will not be successful.

00:03:29.080 And so today, I am announcing the suspension of my campaign.

00:03:34.600 Okay.

00:03:35.920 Open and shut case.

00:03:36.940 He says he's suspending his campaign.

00:03:38.840 He's suspending his campaign.

00:03:42.200 Except the thing with Bernie is, Bernie never just gives up.

00:03:46.360 Bernie never just goes away.

00:03:47.900 So as I'm listening to this, I'm just waiting for the turn, you know, the but, the however,

00:03:52.900 the although in the, in the statement.

00:03:55.860 And eventually, it comes because Bernie's dropping out of the race, but he's not endorsing Joe

00:04:02.740 Biden.

00:04:03.320 He's not releasing his delegates to Joe Biden.

00:04:06.380 And he doesn't even want to stop winning delegates in the Democratic primary.

00:04:11.800 Sure doesn't sound quite like he's dropping out to me.

00:04:14.900 Let me also say this.

00:04:16.740 I will stay on the ballot in all remaining states and continue to gather delegates.

00:04:21.840 While Vice President Biden will be the nominee,

00:04:24.680 we must continue working to assemble as many delegates as possible at the Democratic Convention,

00:04:31.740 where we will be able to exert significant influence over the party platform and other functions.

00:04:39.060 Then together, standing united, we will go forward to defeat Donald Trump,

00:04:45.040 the most dangerous president in modern American history.

00:04:48.500 Bernie, Bernie, you scheming communist.

00:04:51.780 Now, we are going to be dropping out of the race, except we're going to continue to be on all of the ballots.

00:04:58.200 And I encourage all of you to vote for me.

00:04:59.840 And I want to get many more delegates.

00:05:01.960 But look, Joe Biden, he's totally going to be the nominee, right?

00:05:04.920 But give me all the delegates and, you know, we'll see what happens at the convention.

00:05:08.480 OK, not much of an endorsement of Joe Biden.

00:05:12.240 What's going on here?

00:05:13.300 Well, a few things, I think.

00:05:16.660 Bernie Sanders has never been the leading man, right?

00:05:20.040 Bernie Sanders has always been the thorn in the side of Democrats.

00:05:24.320 And so it very well may be the case that Bernie Sanders is just going to try to build up his leverage

00:05:30.320 and get some more delegates and then go to the convention and try to make them a little bit more socialist,

00:05:35.800 though I suspect he won't succeed at that.

00:05:39.240 However, I'm not totally convinced that that's the case.

00:05:43.420 I'm not totally convinced Joe Biden is going to be the nominee.

00:05:45.600 And from what Bernie says, it doesn't quite sound like that either.

00:05:49.100 I think there's a lot of uncertainty now as to who the nominee is going to be.

00:05:52.880 You know, I love that right now Joe Biden is the only candidate left in the Democratic presidential race.

00:05:58.460 And his old boss, Barack Obama, still hasn't endorsed him.

00:06:03.660 It's very strange.

00:06:04.800 You would expect Obama to endorse Joe Biden very early.

00:06:07.500 Certainly would have expected him to endorse Joe Biden by the time he looked like he locked up the nomination.

00:06:12.600 He hasn't even endorsed him now that he's the last guy in the race.

00:06:15.600 And I think Bernie Sanders is looking at that.

00:06:17.620 And I think the Democratic establishment is looking at that.

00:06:19.800 And I think Andrew Cuomo in New York is looking at that.

00:06:21.680 And they're saying, I don't know if Joe is going to be the guy.

00:06:23.840 So Bernie Sanders is doing the responsible thing.

00:06:26.160 It's kind of the PR move that he has to do to get out of the race, especially with coronavirus.

00:06:30.720 Because he's not allowed to campaign.

00:06:32.380 He's not allowed to hold rallies.

00:06:34.080 He's considered to be imperiling people's health if he even encourages them to go out to vote.

00:06:39.980 So he's kind of been backed into a corner here by the Democratic establishment.

00:06:44.140 And I guess by this coronavirus.

00:06:47.080 And he can't really move one way or the other.

00:06:50.020 So he's got to drop out.

00:06:51.280 But he's dropping out without really dropping out.

00:06:53.740 He's dropping out while still trying to have a lot of influence at the convention.

00:06:58.480 In any case, no matter what Bernie's designs are, it does seem as though his campaign ultimately is over.

00:07:07.380 You know, it's headed for destruction.

00:07:09.360 Does look as though Bernie's come to the end of the line of his career in American politics, which has now spanned five decades.

00:07:15.920 And assuming all of that is true, I would just like to say Bernie Sanders is an anti-American old communist who has campaigned his entire life for an evil ideology that should be rejected by every decent human being.

00:07:31.200 Everything Bernie has ever contributed to politics is evil.

00:07:34.600 And we are all better off now that his career is over.

00:07:38.360 And if I could spit on the grave of his campaign, I would do it.

00:07:43.000 There.

00:07:43.560 I just, you know, I wanted really to have a nice moment to say goodbye to the Bernie campaign.

00:07:48.320 I mean it.

00:07:48.920 It's terrible.

00:07:49.700 There's nothing good to say about it.

00:07:51.640 His career has been awful.

00:07:53.820 It has been a pox on American politics.

00:07:56.640 The whole country would have been so much better off if that man had never run for any office in Burlington, Vermont, or elsewhere.

00:08:03.440 And I'm very, very, very pleased to know that his career is over or soon to be over.

00:08:10.620 Now, that means that as of now, the very likely nominee is going to be Joe Biden.

00:08:18.680 But it doesn't mean that Bernie Sanders has had no impact on the Democratic Party.

00:08:23.340 You know, part of Bernie's farewell, I guess, farewell to the troops, is to say even though we lost the electoral battle,

00:08:32.400 we've actually won the ideological war.

00:08:35.020 And I have to say the sad fact is Bernie's 50-year career has actually been somewhat effective,

00:08:42.920 at least on changing the conversation within the Democratic Party.

00:08:46.640 Good morning and thank you very much for joining me.

00:08:50.060 I want to express to each of you my deep gratitude for helping to create an unprecedented grassroots political campaign

00:08:59.440 that has had a profound impact in changing our nation.

00:09:03.880 It has.

00:09:04.980 It has.

00:09:05.460 Before Bernie Sanders really exploded in 2016,

00:09:09.360 some of these radical socialist policies were simply unacceptable.

00:09:13.880 The moniker socialist was unacceptable in American politics.

00:09:17.920 Without Bernie Sanders, there's no way that you see AOC and Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib and the whole squad

00:09:25.080 and all the people who are avowedly socialist.

00:09:27.880 You know, Bernie, when he became a senator in 2006, he was an independent, but he referred to himself as a socialist.

00:09:33.700 This was so shocking to people.

00:09:35.380 Now it's been normalized and actually the majority of young Americans identify as socialist,

00:09:40.300 even though only 32% of them can actually define what socialism is.

00:09:44.600 Still, that's a big sea change.

00:09:47.920 Now, as of right now, Joe Biden will be the nominee.

00:09:51.440 Biden is different than Bernie.

00:09:53.540 Biden is not enraptured by an evil ideology.

00:09:59.720 Joe Biden doesn't really have any kind of ideology at all.

00:10:03.120 Joe Biden is an empty suit.

00:10:04.780 He's just the kind of politician who wants his name on the post office.

00:10:07.360 It is worth pointing out, though, that Joe Biden, for his perhaps ideological, I can't call it moderation.

00:10:14.240 I could call it rudderlessness.

00:10:16.800 You know, he just doesn't really have any principles at all.

00:10:19.080 For all of that, it's worth pointing out he's been wrong on just about everything for his also five decade career in politics.

00:10:27.160 And a great recent example of this, because you can go all the way back to the 70s and find things he was wrong on.

00:10:33.400 But a great recent example is in 2011.

00:10:38.180 In 2011, Joe Biden was talking about the rise of China as one of the great geopolitical phenomenons of our lifetime.

00:10:45.580 And now, during coronavirus, during the trade war that we just recently had, the role of China is more important than any other role in foreign affairs.

00:10:54.460 Joe Biden got China completely wrong.

00:10:58.940 Remarkable, absolutely remarkable transformation.

00:11:02.700 Even back then, it was clear that there was that great things were happening.

00:11:07.880 And there was also a debate.

00:11:09.140 There was a debate here in the United States and, quite frankly, throughout most of the West, is whether a rising China was in the interest of the United States and the wider world.

00:11:19.420 As a young member of the Foreign Relations Committee, I wrote and I said, and I believed then what I believe now, that a rising China is a positive, positive development, not only for China, but for America and the world writ large.

00:11:34.180 Is it possible that Joe Biden could have been more wrong about that?

00:11:40.140 Now, he's not the only one who said this.

00:11:41.660 A lot of people on the left said this.

00:11:43.400 Some people on the right even said that.

00:11:44.880 And it just wasn't true.

00:11:46.560 A rising China has been absolutely devastating for the United States. 1.00

00:11:50.360 It was a mistake.

00:11:51.360 And the people who encouraged it were wrong and should be held accountable for it.

00:11:54.960 They should not be elected president.

00:11:57.040 But that's Joe Biden.

00:11:58.600 And Joe Biden wasn't just wrong on China then.

00:12:01.020 Joe Biden was wrong on China as late as January and February of this year.

00:12:06.120 Remember when President Trump closed up travel with China, Joe Biden accused him of xenophobia.

00:12:11.940 He said it was terrible that during a pandemic in China, a pandemic that was caused by China, we would cut off travel from China.

00:12:21.220 He has been so welcoming of China.

00:12:23.900 He's been a China first politician in some ways, or at least China on an equal par with everybody else, because a rising China is good for everybody, including the United States.

00:12:34.500 And that was just dead wrong.

00:12:35.860 This is Joe Biden, by the way, who fancies himself a foreign policy expert.

00:12:39.820 We'll get to some additional problems with that in just a second.

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00:13:54.540 Okay.

00:13:56.880 So Joe Biden, dead wrong on China.

00:13:58.960 Joe Biden, dead wrong on just about everything, including his own name, including where he is.

00:14:03.040 But don't forget, I mean, I think it's easy to say now, the biggest problem with Joe's campaign is that he's senile and he's not the man he was 10 years ago.

00:14:12.140 Even if he were the man he was 10 years ago, he is not the man for this moment.

00:14:17.500 Okay.

00:14:17.900 He's been so wrong on so many things.

00:14:20.940 And the China issue is not going away because China has infiltrated international organizations all over the world. 0.90

00:14:29.020 Okay.

00:14:29.160 They've now infiltrated four of the largest international organizations on earth.

00:14:33.800 No other country has come to dominate even more than one of them.

00:14:38.300 And so China's made a big effort this way.

00:14:40.240 One of the organizations that China has taken over is the World Health Organization.

00:14:44.940 They've taken over the World Health Organization by installing one of their puppets to run the place.

00:14:51.460 And that puppet is now paying off because that puppet is accusing, not so implicitly, Donald Trump of causing more body bags in the coronavirus pandemic.

00:15:02.780 And he's saying that if you at all raise any political questions about the World Health Organization, you too are going to be culpable for more death.

00:15:11.780 Please don't politicize this virus.

00:15:16.220 It exploits the differences you have at the national level.

00:15:22.580 If you want to be exploited and if you want to have many more body bags, then you do it.

00:15:34.260 If you don't want many more body bags, then you refrain from politicizing it.

00:15:42.660 It's like playing with fire.

00:15:45.980 So more than ever before, national unity is important if we care about our people.

00:15:54.220 If we care about our citizens.

00:15:57.500 Please, unity at national level.

00:16:00.880 No using COVID for political punch.

00:16:07.060 And then second, honest solidarity at global level.

00:16:13.840 And honest leadership from the U.S. and China.

00:16:19.840 We shouldn't waste time pointing fingers.

00:16:23.640 You know, it's very convenient that the people responsible for this pandemic are the ones encouraging us not to point fingers.

00:16:31.380 It's very convenient that China, which caused the pandemic entirely. 1.00

00:16:37.480 If China had acted just three weeks earlier, studies show 95% of the spread would not have happened.

00:16:43.160 If they'd acted even one week earlier, 66% of the spread would not have happened.

00:16:47.180 China, solely responsible for this. 0.99

00:16:49.060 They don't want us to point fingers.

00:16:50.740 The World Health Organization, which is now a mouthpiece for China, they don't want us to point fingers. 0.97

00:16:54.960 Come on, we need honest leadership from the U.S. and China, too.

00:16:58.180 But really, the U.S., they're being so dishonest.

00:17:00.360 Most important thing to understand this statement from the World Health Organization director is that that punk is a propagandist for the Chinese Communist Party.

00:17:12.800 Okay, his name is Tedros Adhanom Gebrezius.

00:17:16.560 I'm totally mispronouncing that, but whatever.

00:17:20.240 He's the World Health Organization director general.

00:17:22.680 China worked tirelessly behind the scenes, to quote news reports at the time, to have that guy installed.

00:17:29.440 That guy worked before he went to the WHO.

00:17:32.380 He worked in the government of the Marxist Ethiopian People's Revolutionary Democratic Front.

00:17:36.960 That regime was a notorious regime, notorious for torture, repression, and stealing elections.

00:17:44.120 And while this man was the health minister over there, he was responsible for covering up three cholera outbreaks.

00:17:52.360 This is a bad hombre.

00:17:54.300 He's not an honest actor.

00:17:55.560 He's not acting in good faith.

00:17:57.160 He's a mouthpiece for Chinese communists. 0.96

00:18:00.340 You know, the line we've heard the whole time from the left with this pandemic is,

00:18:05.280 if you question them, if you question the experts, if you question the politicians,

00:18:11.720 you are responsible for more people dying.

00:18:16.380 For their politics, you know, if you question Donald Trump, that makes you a patriot.

00:18:20.120 But if you question their guys, then you are responsible for more people dying.

00:18:26.980 Obviously, the WHO is using the same line.

00:18:29.880 Chinese communists generally are very good at exploiting American political divisions.

00:18:34.420 They've been good at that for a long time.

00:18:36.260 So President Trump now responds to the World Health Organization because the prompting event

00:18:43.700 for why they're even going after the U.S. right now is the U.S. is threatening to cut funding.

00:18:48.140 So does Donald Trump back down?

00:18:49.900 I don't think so.

00:18:51.020 The head of the World Health Organization today mourned against politicizing.

00:18:55.060 I agree with that.

00:18:55.760 And he said that that consequence of this politicization could actually create more body bags.

00:19:02.100 It's a pretty vivid image.

00:19:03.800 What do you believe the consequences of the U.S. pulling out its funding of the WHO?

00:19:08.860 Well, I think when you say more body bags, I think we would have done

00:19:11.720 and he would have been much better serving the people that he's supposed to serve

00:19:18.200 if they gave a correct analysis.

00:19:20.940 I mean, everything was, I said, China-centric.

00:19:24.600 Everything was going to be fine.

00:19:27.140 No human to human.

00:19:29.180 Keep the borders open.

00:19:30.400 He wanted me to keep the borders open.

00:19:32.020 I closed the borders despite him.

00:19:33.520 And that was a hard decision to make at the time.

00:19:35.700 We were all together.

00:19:36.520 We made a decision against the World Health Organization.

00:19:40.040 So when he says politicizing, he's politicizing.

00:19:43.260 That shouldn't be.

00:19:43.900 But look, we spend $450 billion, $452 billion, almost $500 billion last year,

00:19:52.320 hundreds of billions in previous years.

00:19:55.500 And they got to do better than that.

00:19:59.000 They got to do better.

00:19:59.840 When you talk about politics, I can't believe he's talking about politics

00:20:03.980 when look at the relationship they have to China.

00:20:06.520 So China spends $42 million.

00:20:08.440 We spend $450 million.

00:20:11.860 And everything seems to be China's way. 0.98

00:20:14.200 That's not right.

00:20:15.020 It's not fair to us.

00:20:16.780 And honestly, it's not fair to the world.

00:20:18.760 Who's politicizing the virus?

00:20:21.380 It's not us.

00:20:22.500 Okay, it's the World Health Organization, primarily, and all of their lackeys.

00:20:26.840 And China.

00:20:28.980 The World Health Organization didn't lift a finger to stop this pandemic until February.

00:20:34.460 Okay, we knew that this was in China now as early as October.

00:20:39.520 But WHO didn't do that.

00:20:41.020 Then when the WHO acted, do you know what they did?

00:20:46.300 They finally sent a couple experts months and months later.

00:20:50.600 And then their biggest campaign was to get people to stop calling it the Chinese coronavirus.

00:20:54.840 Their biggest campaign was not a medical campaign to stop the pandemic.

00:20:57.920 It was a PR campaign for China.

00:21:01.200 And now WHO says don't politicize the virus.

00:21:04.180 They're accusing Trump of filling up body bags because he would have the audacity to question our vaunted Marxist leaders at the WHO and in China.

00:21:13.900 I don't think so.

00:21:14.780 Okay, this is the perfect time to be criticizing the WHO, and it's a perfect time to defund them as well.

00:21:20.760 We've got to get to Ellen DeGeneres. 0.99

00:21:23.100 I know Ellen doesn't feature into our show very much, but Ellen is getting in a lot of trouble on the left and the right. 1.00

00:21:28.700 And I think we've got to defend her.

00:21:30.300 We'll get to that in just a second, and we'll get to why the models turned out to be so wrong and what we can do about that.

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00:22:43.100 Ellen is in trouble.

00:22:44.940 Ellen is in trouble because she's broadcasting from her home right now, just like a lot of people on TV are.

00:22:51.240 They've had home studios set up.

00:22:52.660 And so she's broadcasting from there, but she got in trouble because she said, this whole quarantine feels really bad.

00:23:00.580 It actually feels like you're in jail.

00:23:03.040 The thing that I've learned from being in quarantine is that people, this is like being in jail is what it is.

00:23:10.160 It's mostly because I've been wearing the same clothes for 10 days, and everyone in here is gay. 1.00

00:23:14.360 The jokes that I have.

00:23:18.340 I feel bad for the kids at home, all the college students, all the parents.

00:23:23.700 I feel bad for a lot of people, but I think that a lot of people out there need words of encouragement, and that's what I want to do.

00:23:29.740 I want to spread light where there's shade.

00:23:32.880 Okay.

00:23:33.380 First of all, great joke.

00:23:35.180 It's a very funny joke, right, because I haven't changed my clothes in 10 days, and everyone in here is gay. 1.00

00:23:39.900 But the point she's making is true as well.

00:23:43.040 The point was a setup for a joke, so she should get leeway anyway, but the point she's making is true, which is in part why the joke is funny.

00:23:50.320 It feels like we're in jail.

00:23:52.900 A lot of people responded to this.

00:23:54.580 They said, I've served time, and jail's nothing like your multi-million dollar house.

00:23:58.440 You don't know nothing about jail.

00:23:59.820 You're so out of touch.

00:24:01.640 No, it is like jail.

00:24:03.360 Okay, and I think the critics of Ellen right now are confused because they think that the defining feature of jail is how nice the beds are,

00:24:10.260 or, you know, how big the windows are.

00:24:13.560 That's not the defining feature of jail.

00:24:15.080 The defining feature of jail is whether or not you're allowed to leave.

00:24:18.920 Okay, and increasingly, we are not allowed to leave our homes.

00:24:22.900 In L.A., they've just said if you leave your home without a face mask on, you're going to be in trouble with the government.

00:24:28.520 In Hamilton County, Ohio, we talked about this one yesterday, there is a prosecutor out there who is charging people with felonious assault if they leave their homes.

00:24:38.220 We are, for all intents and purposes, in certain parts of this country, in jail right now.

00:24:43.680 And we might be in jail with golden handcuffs.

00:24:46.520 We might be in jail with nice, you know, amenities and luxury.

00:24:51.200 But it doesn't matter how much luxury you've got if you're not free to leave.

00:24:55.180 And so it's a very good point made by Ellen and a pretty funny joke as well.

00:24:59.840 And, you know, I think people should just lay off her.

00:25:01.780 I think she's saying the right things when a lot of people around here are saying the wrong things.

00:25:07.840 Now we've got to get back to Joe Biden because another television personality, Whoopi Goldberg, has made a major faux pas.

00:25:14.560 And it just shows you what to expect for the next several months as we plot our way to November.

00:25:20.080 However, the fawning, the praise, the absolute ignorance is not just true of Whoopi.

00:25:28.520 It's typical of a lot of people on the left.

00:25:31.760 Whoopi Goldberg has an idea for the Biden administration.

00:25:34.080 The Biden administration, he'll pick his vice president and his cabinet.

00:25:38.060 But the surgeon general obviously should be none other than Dr. Jill Biden.

00:25:42.420 The word doctor is right there in her name.

00:25:44.240 I'm hoping Dr. Jill becomes a surgeon general.

00:25:48.820 His wife.

00:25:49.700 Yeah.

00:25:50.300 Joe Biden.

00:25:50.700 Joe Biden's wife.

00:25:51.940 Because she, you know, he would never do it.

00:25:53.660 But she, yeah, she's a hell of a doctor. 1.00

00:25:55.700 She's an amazing doctor.

00:25:57.040 I just like her.

00:25:57.960 PhD.

00:25:58.580 Yeah.

00:25:58.880 I don't, I don't know.

00:25:59.780 I could be wrong.

00:26:00.680 Yeah, I think she's a teacher. 0.69

00:26:03.100 But, you know, might be good for Betsy DeVos' post. 1.00

00:26:06.880 Oh, that's so awkward because it's not awkward that she got the doctor thing wrong.

00:26:13.460 It is very confusing that people who are teachers go by doctor and people who are physicians

00:26:17.140 go by doctor.

00:26:18.100 And it's especially confusing because we think that physicians are the real doctors,

00:26:22.260 but the word doctor actually means teacher.

00:26:24.020 It comes from the Latin docere.

00:26:25.820 So anyway, I understand that it's complicated with the title.

00:26:29.720 What gets Whoopi in trouble is she goes, oh yeah, Jill, she's an amazing doctor.

00:26:32.880 Oh, she's an amazing doctor. 0.93

00:26:34.940 Of course she should be surgeon general.

00:26:36.220 Then we find out Whoopi doesn't know, first of all, anything about Jill Biden's career.

00:26:41.220 She doesn't even know what Jill Biden does as a career. 1.00

00:26:44.260 Jill Biden has a doctorate in education.

00:26:48.620 She's not a doctor of medicine.

00:26:50.580 She's not a PhD in English or history.

00:26:53.740 She's a doctor of education.

00:26:55.940 She's a teacher of teaching. 0.95

00:26:57.940 She'd be an amazing surgeon general.

00:27:00.780 This is what we're going to hear now until November is everything Joe Biden ever did is

00:27:04.600 wonderful.

00:27:05.000 Everything Jill Biden ever did is wonderful.

00:27:06.580 Probably everything Hunter Biden ever did is wonderful.

00:27:08.680 They've already gotten to that point in the New York Times, giving him fawning profiles

00:27:11.760 for his artwork while he's refusing to pay child support on his last most recent kid.

00:27:18.000 Not the most recent one, but the last most recent one.

00:27:20.340 That's what you can expect.

00:27:21.760 And we should be able to see very clearly what's going on with Joe Biden.

00:27:24.400 We should be able to see very clearly what's going on in our national pandemic as well.

00:27:30.220 And as you know, increasingly, we're not allowed to question anything that's going on.

00:27:34.000 Well, Dr. Birx gave us a little bit of truth yesterday during the White House press briefing

00:27:40.240 on the coronavirus.

00:27:41.560 Because you remember we were told two million Americans are going to die, maybe more.

00:27:45.400 Then they downgraded it.

00:27:46.600 Then they downgraded it.

00:27:47.460 Then they downgraded it.

00:27:48.940 So right now, Dr. Birx is essentially admitting that the models were wrong.

00:27:55.820 I think all of you, many of you have done the analysis of the same models that we utilized.

00:28:00.500 And if you do the models of the models, you end up with that range.

00:28:05.680 At the same time, we've carefully looked at Italy and Spain.

00:28:10.900 And we are doing much better in many cases than several other countries.

00:28:17.320 And we're trying to understand that.

00:28:18.800 We believe that our health care delivery system in the United States is quite extraordinary.

00:28:23.640 I know many of you are watching the Act Now model and the IHME model.

00:28:28.620 And they have consistently decreased the number, the mortality, from over almost 90,000 or 86,000

00:28:38.720 down to 81,000 and now down to 61,000.

00:28:41.740 That is modeled on what America is doing. 0.63

00:28:45.820 You know I hate to say I told you so.

00:28:48.460 You know I hate to do that.

00:28:49.760 But I told you so.

00:28:52.820 Early on, we heard numbers.

00:28:54.580 Two million.

00:28:55.220 One million.

00:28:55.920 Then it got revised down.

00:28:57.160 But when we heard those two million numbers, I said that that was almost certainly not true.

00:29:04.920 Then we heard revised down numbers.

00:29:07.420 500,000.

00:29:08.340 I said at the time, almost certainly not true.

00:29:11.540 Then we heard America is going to be just like Italy. 0.83

00:29:14.140 We're going to be hit just as hard.

00:29:15.220 We might be hit harder.

00:29:16.560 When that happened, I said, that is probably not true.

00:29:20.920 Because Italy has the second oldest population in the world.

00:29:24.400 They greet each other by kissing and everybody smokes.

00:29:28.760 And they haven't had a functioning government since Octavian.

00:29:30.700 Remember I said that?

00:29:31.960 And people attacked me.

00:29:33.380 On the left and the right.

00:29:34.520 People on the right, too.

00:29:35.360 They said, oh, we're going to be Italy in two days.

00:29:37.460 Where it's going to be exactly like Italy.

00:29:38.840 The hospitals are going to be completely overrun.

00:29:40.480 It's going to be a disaster.

00:29:41.680 You're going to see hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Americans die.

00:29:44.200 Guess what?

00:29:44.680 Turns out, I was right.

00:29:46.040 And the skeptics were right.

00:29:47.400 It's not just me.

00:29:48.040 There were many other people who were skeptical of these models that had us all shut down the entire government.

00:29:53.580 And one thing that's worth pointing out here, because what you're going to hear from now until eternity is nobody taking any responsibility here.

00:30:02.940 What you're going to hear is right.

00:30:04.460 It would have been two million if we hadn't social distanced.

00:30:08.600 Oh, yeah.

00:30:09.120 If it would have been two million if we hadn't shut down the global economy. 0.99

00:30:14.100 There's no evidence of that.

00:30:15.440 OK, perhaps not the initial models, but all the models we've seen after that were taking into account the measures that the United States was taking.

00:30:23.900 The social distancing, the shutdown, the handwashing, the stupid masks.

00:30:27.900 It was taking into account all of that.

00:30:29.780 OK, and the models were still outrageously hyperbolic.

00:30:34.260 Somebody ought to be held responsible for this.

00:30:36.340 And I don't even mean to hold the experts responsible.

00:30:38.440 The experts are just doing what experts do, which is get things wrong.

00:30:42.260 OK, the epidemiologists were just doing what epidemiologists,

00:30:45.440 do, which is get things wrong.

00:30:47.680 Epidemiology is nearly as fake a science as climatology.

00:30:51.160 OK, it is an imprecise science that's based on predicting the future, which nobody can do.

00:30:57.140 The people we've got to hold responsible are the politicians who were so hyperbolic,

00:31:02.880 who overreacted, who leapt to shut everything down.

00:31:07.440 Down, because now we are hearing from the vaunted experts themselves that the hysterical alarmists were wrong and the skeptics were right.

00:31:15.780 Got so much more to get to, including the mailbag.

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00:32:44.960 We'll be right back with the mailbag and with a quick clip from a chat I had with my friend, Glenn Beck.

00:32:49.900 All right.

00:33:02.760 We've got to get to the mailbag.

00:33:04.020 But first, I want to play just a short clip of an interview I had with my friend, Glenn Beck.

00:33:09.380 We're going to post the whole interview on YouTube.

00:33:11.920 But I wanted to chat with him because, one, whenever we're in actual catastrophes, Glenn is like a prophet.

00:33:19.060 He is the voice of one crying out in the wilderness.

00:33:21.020 And he's really good on issues of monetary policy, on explaining the Federal Reserve.

00:33:25.880 A lot of the issues that are going on right now that people aren't talking about because they're not the top line of the pandemic.

00:33:30.880 So he gets into that and, also very importantly, Glenn Beck has a new book coming out, Arguing with Socialists.

00:33:37.280 This is in the vein of my favorite book he ever wrote called Arguing with Idiots, which is absolutely terrific if you haven't read it yet.

00:33:44.780 And Arguing with Socialists is really great too.

00:33:46.700 So for just a couple minutes here, here is my friend, Glenn Beck.

00:33:56.060 The Fed controls that by how much they, how many dollars they print.

00:34:02.380 Right now, they are taking and stealing your savings by inflating the dollar.

00:34:08.960 You won't be able to buy as much as you could just a few weeks ago very, very soon.

00:34:15.380 So it punishes people who save and play by the rules.

00:34:20.520 We see this kind of innumeracy, you know, this just inability to keep track of numbers playing out in some of the characters in your book.

00:34:27.880 And I fear now that we're talking about $2 trillion stimulus and then the Fed's going to lever that up to $6 trillion in lending.

00:34:35.120 And when we're talking these huge numbers that people are going to lose sight of what that means, the value of a dollar maybe.

00:34:40.540 You know, the AOC Green New Deal is $93 trillion by some estimates over 10 years.

00:34:47.080 But, you know, that's, that means it's what?

00:34:48.880 $9.3 trillion each year.

00:34:50.900 We're already talking about $10 trillion proposals.

00:34:53.880 Is there a way that we get out of this?

00:34:55.920 And I know you talk about eco-socialism in the book.

00:34:59.100 Is there a way we get out of the coronavirus and the left says, look, we can raise the money.

00:35:04.020 We just saw it last week.

00:35:05.360 Why can't we have the Green New Deal today?

00:35:08.120 The reason why they're saying $6 trillion is that you remember that $2 trillion that we've just passed was actually $6 trillion because the Federal Reserve put in another $4 trillion that they don't have.

00:35:20.320 They just printed.

00:35:21.880 The way to get out of that is to do modern monetary theory.

00:35:26.160 It is why, if you read the last chapter, you'll understand it.

00:35:29.280 It is really why the socialists have come up with it and why they love it so much because they don't need to tax anybody.

00:35:36.980 They don't need to talk about raising income tax.

00:35:39.300 They don't have to worry about how we're going to pay for it.

00:35:41.760 You see the printing press over there?

00:35:43.400 All we do is turn that on.

00:35:45.600 That's how we pay for it.

00:35:46.980 That's modern monetary theory.

00:35:48.760 It is so crazy because it is the simplest idea.

00:35:53.080 What?

00:35:53.600 If you just say it's valued at that, then it's valued at that.

00:35:57.040 Then why didn't every king and every dictator in the history of the world come up with that?

00:36:04.160 They did.

00:36:05.260 It doesn't work.

00:36:06.580 It doesn't work.

00:36:07.600 And they keep pushing it.

00:36:08.860 And I mean, this ties in more broadly with the popularity of socialism because there was this very scary study came out about a year ago, which said that over half of young Americans now identify as socialists.

00:36:21.000 And that's the bad news.

00:36:22.020 But the good news is only about 32% can explain what socialism is.

00:36:26.480 So the popularity of socialism now, is this a matter of the idea being really new and hot and sexy?

00:36:32.400 Or is it just a matter of ignorance?

00:36:34.740 I think there's a couple of things.

00:36:37.340 One, if you look at somebody your age, how old are you, Michael?

00:36:40.500 I am.

00:36:41.020 I just turned 30.

00:36:41.760 I'm officially an adult by today's standards.

00:36:44.520 Okay.

00:36:45.280 All right.

00:36:45.560 So you remember you were 10 around September 11th, right?

00:36:51.840 Yeah.

00:36:52.000 Okay.

00:36:53.560 So September 11th happened.

00:36:55.400 And your memories of that is it was a shock.

00:36:58.200 Everybody was freaking out.

00:36:59.920 The stock market collapsed and they closed it down.

00:37:03.440 And maybe people lost money and they lost their jobs.

00:37:06.280 Then your next big memory is 2008 where the banks went crazy.

00:37:11.600 You lost a lot of money.

00:37:13.140 Nobody had jobs.

00:37:14.280 Now your next one is this.

00:37:16.620 Yeah.

00:37:16.880 When nobody had jobs, money was tight.

00:37:19.500 You couldn't get a loan.

00:37:20.940 People were getting richer because the government.

00:37:23.660 This is a system that if you are 30 years old, you've never seen this system work right.

00:37:29.740 You've never seen this system provide any kind of stability.

00:37:34.000 And you're looking at your parents and you're like, my dad just lost his job.

00:37:38.720 They lost everything.

00:37:40.240 He was just starting to turn it around and he lost everything.

00:37:43.100 This is ridiculous.

00:37:44.480 I don't want this.

00:37:46.120 But they've never seen actual socialism.

00:37:50.460 There's a whole chapter on Sweden and Finland and Iceland and all these socialist countries.

00:37:55.960 They are not socialist countries.

00:37:58.400 They are capitalist countries more free than we are.

00:38:02.720 Fewer regulation on business than we have by a great deal.

00:38:07.980 So they're more free.

00:38:09.300 It is easier for you to start your own business.

00:38:13.740 Three out of the five have lower taxes on corporations than we do.

00:38:19.560 They have a big safety net.

00:38:22.220 Well, that's not bad.

00:38:24.080 That's not socialism.

00:38:26.040 That's a safety net.

00:38:27.920 All right.

00:38:28.680 We'll get to the rest of that interview over on YouTube so you can go check that out.

00:38:32.980 But Glenn, always so interesting, especially on those kind of topics.

00:38:35.860 And the book is arguing with socialists.

00:38:38.620 Let's get to the mailbag.

00:38:39.520 I'm going to fly through these.

00:38:40.680 Okay.

00:38:40.800 This is going to be a speed round.

00:38:41.880 From Martin.

00:38:42.840 Hi, Michael.

00:38:43.780 What will the government ask the Chinese Communist Party in regards to a compensation damages packages

00:38:48.980 for bereaved families and the destroyed livelihoods due to its gross negligence?

00:38:54.940 If negligence occurred in corporate or a company private sector, and I'm not sure what this wording is here,

00:39:02.080 wouldn't they be charged with manslaughter?

00:39:05.400 Very possibly they would, but international relations is not just the private market.

00:39:09.700 And we're in a very difficult situation right now because our largest creditor is China.

00:39:14.360 China has bought up so much of our debt.

00:39:16.620 We've also outsourced all of our manufacturing to China.

00:39:19.300 So China, in some ways, has us in an unfortunate grip. 0.96

00:39:25.020 The people who suggested that we do all that told us, oh, there's no big deal.

00:39:29.660 You can outsource all of your manufacturing.

00:39:31.520 You'll get cheap consumer products.

00:39:33.180 It's a win-win.

00:39:34.280 There's no reason ever to put any barrier up to trade.

00:39:37.100 It's just a win-win.

00:39:38.100 Now we're seeing the national security implications of that.

00:39:41.280 The way out in the short term is to disentangle ourselves from China. 0.98

00:39:45.740 We won't be able to talk at all about punishment or compensation until we do that.

00:39:50.620 Unfortunately, that's what President Trump ran on.

00:39:52.540 It's what he's been starting to do in the first term, and hopefully he'll complete in the second term.

00:39:57.920 From Timmer.

00:39:59.400 Hi, Michael.

00:39:59.800 I really enjoy watching your show and the reasoning you give behind a lot of issues.

00:40:03.240 One question I had.

00:40:04.080 Do you think this nasty Chinese virus originated from eating bats or from a Wuhan lab from which it accidentally or not accidentally escaped? 0.98

00:40:11.020 Thank you very much.

00:40:11.860 I think that it's very possible the virus began in nature, but I think that there are a lot of ties linking the virus to that laboratory in Wuhan.

00:40:23.620 There are a lot of questions about how the bats that were infected could even have gotten to the Wuhan wet market.

00:40:30.280 I suspect that the Chinese government played a much larger role in this than people are letting on.

00:40:36.020 From Brian.

00:40:37.220 Hi, Michael.

00:40:37.720 There's a huge issue that is being raised in evangelical circles right now that I'm wondering if you can address.

00:40:42.660 It's the idea of corporate sin.

00:40:44.220 These days, there's a lot of talk about how, on top of our individual sins, we bear a portion of the collective or systemic sins of our societies,

00:40:51.220 like the collective sin of slavery or racism.

00:40:53.700 I personally reject this notion, and I think it comes from cultural Marxism.

00:40:57.140 What do you think?

00:40:57.800 Yeah, I think that's about right.

00:40:59.380 You sin individually.

00:41:01.080 That's how you sin.

00:41:02.660 You're not responsible for somebody else's sin.

00:41:04.920 You sin individually.

00:41:06.340 Now, we all bear original sin, which is what happened when our first father, Adam, sinned, and sin and death pervaded the world.

00:41:12.660 And that is just the world in which we live now.

00:41:15.220 We are tainted by that.

00:41:16.720 But the sins that we commit are our own problems.

00:41:19.540 This idea of corporate sin, this idea that, you know, look, I don't need to worry so much about my sins,

00:41:23.940 but I am responsible for my great-great-great-great-granddaddy's friend who owned a slave.

00:41:28.760 That is, I think, actually another form of pride.

00:41:32.460 It's a way of saying, I don't need to focus on my own sins.

00:41:34.720 I need to worry about somebody else's sins a long time ago who wasn't me, but I'm such a good person that I'll bear some responsibility for that.

00:41:42.900 That's an inversion of the reality of our relationship to sin, and we should focus on the man in the mirror.

00:41:48.880 From Jay, most esteemed and knowledgeable knowles, I was raised as a non-believer and became virulently anti-theist.

00:41:55.180 But eventually, listening to all of you, as well as other apologists, I came to believe I had been wrong.

00:42:00.500 I now consider myself a Christian, but I have not yet chosen a church.

00:42:03.620 I hope to choose between the big three, Catholicism, Protestantism, and Orthodoxy.

00:42:07.680 What pulled you toward the Catholic Church?

00:42:09.480 Was it solely family background, or was there more to it for you?

00:42:12.640 No, it was not solely family background.

00:42:14.400 I was a cradle Catholic, and then I fell away for 10 years.

00:42:17.620 Actually, when I reverted to the church, I was initially attracted by Protestants, by evangelicals, and by Calvinists even,

00:42:25.780 and by versions and denominations of Christianity that I don't really agree with anymore, but they helped to bring me in.

00:42:35.080 And then I arrived back at the Catholic Church because I think the historical claims of the Catholic Church are true.

00:42:40.220 And I found it to be a little strange that virtually every Christian for all of history believed basically the exact same thing until about the 16th century.

00:42:52.680 And then even around that time, all the major Protestant thinkers, Martin Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, Wesley,

00:43:00.620 these guys believed many things that would now be called almost exclusively Catholic.

00:43:05.080 For instance, in the perpetual virginity of Mary, which all of them believed.

00:43:10.200 And Calvin said there wasn't enough evidence on either side of the question, but they all accepted as possible, if not probable, even back then.

00:43:19.440 And then this is branched out.

00:43:20.560 So for the big three, you're going to face another big problem, which is that the big three are actually two and then like 30,000,

00:43:28.380 because obviously Protestantism is not one unified church, but I think it's about 30,000 denominations.

00:43:33.080 So I guess 30,002 are your choices.

00:43:37.160 But I think that the historical claims of the church are true.

00:43:39.960 The Catholic Church, I think that, you know, Christ built his church upon that rock of Peter.

00:43:46.040 And I think that he gave Peter the keys to the kingdom of heaven.

00:43:49.000 And whatever he binds on earth will be bound in heaven.

00:43:50.700 And whatever he looses on earth will be loosed in heaven.

00:43:53.040 He breathed on the apostles, gave them the Holy Spirit and the power to forgive sins.

00:43:56.400 And whose sins they forgive are forgiven.

00:43:57.980 And whose sins they retain are retained.

00:44:00.060 And on a broader level, I think that that sacrament, the sacramental nature of the church is very important.

00:44:06.100 The church is incarnational.

00:44:07.600 It's not just in our minds.

00:44:08.640 We can't just live stream the church forever.

00:44:10.600 We have to engage in the sacraments really.

00:44:12.840 And the clearest form of that is the blessed sacrament, which is the unity of heaven and earth,

00:44:17.840 the unity of the physical and the metaphysical.

00:44:20.040 It is the host that becomes literally the body and blood of Christ.

00:44:23.940 From Reeve.

00:44:24.640 Greetings to the least execrable Michael Knowles I know.

00:44:27.960 I'm 16 and currently attending college.

00:44:30.180 I'm a very motivated person usually.

00:44:31.940 But lately, my motivation has been in rapid decline, especially during school.

00:44:35.860 As someone who has done a lot of work in life, can you give any insight in how to rekindle motivation?

00:44:43.500 Yes, I can do that.

00:44:45.800 This happens to everybody.

00:44:46.940 It doesn't matter how motivated you are.

00:44:48.840 When you get off your rhythm, you can get depressed.

00:44:51.220 You can get sluggish.

00:44:52.000 You stop doing things.

00:44:53.160 You have to recognize that there is a purpose.

00:44:57.880 Okay, a purpose to your life, a purpose to this week, a purpose to this day, a purpose to the thing that you're working on.

00:45:03.740 You only have so many minutes.

00:45:05.320 You are going to die someday and you are going to be held accountable for what you did with the time that you have.

00:45:11.440 If that's not a motivating factor, I don't know what could be.

00:45:14.140 Before we go, I want to get down to a question that someone emailed in.

00:45:17.420 This is from Maddie.

00:45:18.340 And it's an important question because I've heard this crop up a few times.

00:45:24.100 Maddie asks, Michael, there is one pro-choice argument that I've had trouble articulating a response to.

00:45:30.020 Bill Nye says, Bill Nye, you know, that brilliant theologian.

00:45:33.460 Not only not a theologian, also not a scientist.

00:45:35.380 Bill Nye says, a lot of men of European descent are passing reproductive laws based on ignorance.

00:45:42.320 Many, many more eggs are fertilized than become humans.

00:45:45.100 Eggs get fertilized.

00:45:46.920 Sperm get accepted by ova a lot.

00:45:49.380 But that's not all you need.

00:45:50.740 How does the early embryo mortality and the fact that the design of our bodies seems to not value a fertilized egg fit in with what I believe,

00:45:58.900 which is that life begins at conception when a unique set of DNA is formed.

00:46:03.400 Thanks.

00:46:04.840 There's a difference between natural death and murder, is the answer.

00:46:10.020 That's how.

00:46:10.440 Everybody dies eventually.

00:46:12.500 That doesn't mean it's okay to murder people.

00:46:15.080 Because you could just reframe the question and say, you know, I was looking around and I found out that everybody dies.

00:46:19.720 So, how do I reconcile my belief that it's bad to murder people with the obvious point that nature doesn't care about that because everybody dies?

00:46:30.540 Right.

00:46:31.160 Because there's a difference between the things that happen in nature and the moral order.

00:46:37.880 Right.

00:46:38.160 So, there's a difference between the natural fact of our death and decay and the moral question of whether I will hasten that decay and I will attack somebody else.

00:46:49.480 I also love that Bill Nye says, he singles out white men for some reason.

00:46:53.380 He says a lot of European, men of European descent are passing these laws.

00:46:57.600 First of all, 50% of pro-life people are women.

00:47:00.280 But Bill Nye is a man of European descent and he's passing, he's saying a lot of things that are coming from ignorance as well.

00:47:08.980 So, I would just point out that the facts of the natural world are not prescriptive necessarily in the moral order.

00:47:18.260 We see plenty of things.

00:47:20.200 Rape and killing and pillaging and burning happens in the natural world all the time.

00:47:24.840 Doesn't make it a good thing.

00:47:26.700 All right.

00:47:26.980 That's our show.

00:47:27.600 How's that for an uncontroversial statement to end on?

00:47:30.540 It's bad to murder.

00:47:32.580 Okay.

00:47:33.520 We've got so much more to do, but we'll just have to see you on Monday.

00:47:37.860 Unless you listen to the Ben Shapiro show today on radio, I'm going to be filling in for that.

00:47:42.460 Maybe we'll have some verdict with Ted Cruz come out this weekend.

00:47:44.940 Look, we've got a lot of stuff on the horizon.

00:47:46.860 In the meantime, I'm Michael Knowles.

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00:48:48.720 You're about to hear a clip from the new Starbucks vs. Dunkin' season of Business Wars.

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00:49:06.560 It's 1950 in Quincy, Massachusetts.

00:49:15.440 At 6 a.m. on a cool September morning, a big genial man named Bill Rosenberg opens his store's glass door.

00:49:22.680 He calls the place Open Kettle.

00:49:24.620 It's the first donut and coffee shop ever to provide seats for its customers.

00:49:29.020 A group of men wait outside, eager for their morning java.

00:49:32.880 Some are factory workers.

00:49:34.280 Others are salesmen and businessmen.

00:49:35.960 The first to hurry in wears heavy pants and a work shirt.

00:49:40.740 Morning, Bill.

00:49:41.900 Hey, Marty.

00:49:42.740 Ready for the usual?

00:49:43.840 You bet.

00:49:44.780 Coffee with two sugars and two glazed donuts.

00:49:47.700 Gotta have it to start my day.

00:49:50.220 Rosenberg turns to two men who sport suits, ties, and hats.

00:49:54.320 Morning, guys.

00:49:55.460 Hey, Bill.

00:49:56.200 Know what?

00:49:56.840 Your coffee smells so good it wakes me up before I've had a sip.

00:50:00.900 The men sit at the low, curved counter on leather-top stools.

00:50:04.820 Rosenberg goes behind the counter.

00:50:06.940 He smiles as he fills their cups with the drink they crave.

00:50:10.420 As soon as their cups are empty, he fills them up again.

00:50:13.820 Above the pot, a wall sign reads,

00:50:16.100 Ours is the best coffee in the world.

00:50:18.300 Every morning, his shop fills up like this, and it never fails to make him smile.

00:50:24.560 He heads into the kitchen.

00:50:26.740 He loves watching the donut dough cook in the fryer's bubbling oil.

00:50:30.820 When they turn golden brown, cooks whisk them from the fryer with giant spoons.

00:50:35.580 He savors the donut's rich, yeasty fragrance as they cool on metal racks.

00:50:40.120 Beside the racks, deep bowls are filled with frosting in vanilla, chocolate, strawberry, and maple flavors.

00:50:48.040 Rosenberg grabs a tablespoon and digs out a taste of strawberry icing, his favorite.

00:50:53.300 Dozens of donuts are iced.

00:50:55.160 Others are dipped in powdered sugar and shot full of cream.

00:50:58.880 Many are stuffed with jelly in succulent flavors.

00:51:02.020 Lemon, blueberry, pineapple, apple spice.

00:51:05.380 Rosenberg picks up a jelly donut.

00:51:08.560 As he bites into it, a big magenta blob squirts onto his shirt.

00:51:12.700 He laughs, wipes it off, and licks it from his finger.

00:51:16.800 There's just one thing about his store that he doesn't like.

00:51:20.500 He calls his staff together.

00:51:23.360 We're doing great, but I hate the name of the store.

00:51:27.300 You're the one who named it Open Kettle.

00:51:29.820 True, true, I'll take the blame.

00:51:31.840 But we need another name.

00:51:33.300 Throw out anything that comes to mind.

00:51:36.740 How about Mr. Donut?

00:51:38.520 Or our best donuts?

00:51:40.500 Maybe, maybe, I feel like we could do better.

00:51:46.040 I got it.

00:51:47.160 What do you do with a donut and coffee?

00:51:49.680 You dunk the donut.

00:51:51.620 That's it.

00:51:52.760 Dunkin' donuts.

00:51:54.180 Yeah, it's got a nice ring to it.

00:51:57.120 But coffee is Rosenberg's true love.

00:52:00.040 To prove it, the big news sign outside his store reads,

00:52:04.700 Dunkin' Donuts, the world's finest coffee.

00:52:08.880 Like every dedicated coffee purveyor who will follow him,

00:52:12.520 Bill Rosenberg is passionate about brewing the perfect cup.

00:52:16.420 An eighth grade dropout, Rosenberg would teach the average Joe 1.00

00:52:19.780 to take their cup of Joe more seriously in America.

00:52:22.260 Decades in the future, that passion will take his company where he never imagined it would go,

00:52:29.140 head-to-head with a cross-country rival that becomes a global juggernaut.

00:52:34.700 Starbucks Coffee, Tea & Spice opens in 1971 in a small store in Seattle's historic Pike Place Market.

00:52:45.980 The store is designed to look slightly nautical.

00:52:48.820 A long wall with wooden shelves displays 30 different kinds of coffee.

00:52:53.980 They sell only coffee beans and the best home coffee machines.

00:52:57.700 But they sometimes offer samples, served in porcelain cups, that make the coffee taste even better.

00:53:05.260 Seattle is in an economic downturn, but Starbucks catches on.

00:53:10.160 It's a hit with Seattle citizens who love the idea of savoring their coffee at home,

00:53:14.860 especially on those gloomy days in winter.

00:53:17.840 And Starbucks is the only place in Seattle that offers quality coffee.

00:53:21.760 It catches the attention of a young 28-year-old.

00:53:26.360 From the moment he encounters Starbucks, he and the entire business will never be the same.

00:53:34.460 His name is...

00:53:37.480 That was just a preview of the first episode of Starbucks vs. Dunkin' on Business Wars.

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