The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 550 - The Democrats’ Faucian Bargain

00:00:00.200 The case for coronavirus hysteria collapses even further as the CDC changes its guidelines

00:00:06.840 and admits that the virus does not spread easily, if at all, through contaminated surfaces.

00:00:13.040 In other words, the masks and gloves are basically useless.

00:00:16.800 Republican Governor Ron DeSantis takes a victory lap,

00:00:19.580 the alarmist mayor of Atlanta makes excuses,

00:00:22.340 and MSNBC's Mika Scarborough has an on-air meltdown. 0.99

00:00:26.380 Then, leaked audio services of Joe Biden discussing with former Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko

00:00:33.240 the decision to fire the prosecutor looking into Joe's son in exchange for a billion-dollar loan guarantee.

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00:00:42.300 And that's just the beginning of Joe's troubles.

00:00:45.400 Finally, the mailbag, all that and more.

00:00:47.180 I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:00:48.940 Just when you think the experts who made us all lock down and destroyed the entire economy,

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00:02:37.120 So, I thought that we had debunked all that was going to be debunked about coronavirus.

00:02:45.960 You know the 2.4 million Americans are going to die,

00:02:49.480 and we've all got a lockdown in perpetuity,

00:02:52.440 and the LA is going to look like Italy in two weeks.

00:02:55.280 Right, we all thought that, I thought that was, that was all we were going to debunk.

00:02:59.940 And then yesterday, the CDC comes out.

00:03:04.020 It's being reported by Yahoo News.

00:03:06.120 It's being reported everywhere.

00:03:08.380 Coronavirus mainly spreads through person-to-person contact,

00:03:13.320 and quote, does not spread easily on contaminated surfaces.

00:03:16.620 Do you know what that means?

00:03:20.640 Do you know, because some places, some headlines,

00:03:22.820 they're trying to make it sound really clinical and really scientific,

00:03:25.540 so that, do you know what that means?

00:03:26.400 It means that the masks, pretty much pointless.

00:03:30.360 The gloves that people are wearing, pretty much pointless.

00:03:33.460 I've been saying it the whole time.

00:03:34.960 I've been behaving in that way the whole time.

00:03:36.680 People have said, I'm a monster. 0.99

00:03:38.040 I'm killing granny. 1.00

00:03:39.120 I'm, and it turns out, we were right. 0.80

00:03:42.220 We were right the whole time the skeptics were right.

00:03:44.840 The scientific experts in the lab coats who told us all to hop on one leg

00:03:50.000 and put a top hat on while singing the national anthem,

00:03:52.980 and if we don't do that, we're going to spread coronavirus.

00:03:55.840 The experts who told us to do all of these things, they were wrong, okay?

00:04:00.600 This is, this is from Yahoo News.

00:04:02.120 It's not like this is some right-wing news source.

00:04:05.000 Even before COVID-19 officially had a name,

00:04:07.500 public health officials said the virus could be transmitted through infected

00:04:10.240 respiratory droplets and by touching infected surfaces

00:04:13.160 and then touching your nose, mouth, and possibly your eyes.

00:04:15.820 You remember that?

00:04:16.300 Don't touch your face.

00:04:17.260 Don't, you can't.

00:04:17.860 If you touch your face, you're going to die of coronavirus.

00:04:20.100 So people began snatching up face masks,

00:04:22.180 wearing gloves, and ramping up hand hygiene to protect themselves.

00:04:25.100 While touching infected surfaces has always been part of the messaging

00:04:27.660 on how the virus spreads,

00:04:29.560 the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

00:04:31.040 recently shifted its stance online.

00:04:34.220 CDC now says that COVID-19 spreads

00:04:36.360 from person-to-person contact

00:04:38.860 and then lists touching infected surfaces

00:04:41.800 under a section titled

00:04:43.420 the virus does not spread easily in other ways.

00:04:47.960 So back in early March, CDC said it may be possible

00:04:51.460 to spread it through these surfaces.

00:04:53.320 Now they don't have that.

00:04:56.200 Spreads through person-to-person contact.

00:04:59.260 Don't go around kissing strangers on the street, perhaps.

00:05:02.700 At least be cautious when you do.

00:05:04.640 Otherwise, you're good.

00:05:08.340 Or if you're not good,

00:05:09.540 the masks and the gloves aren't really going to help.

00:05:11.760 That, according now to the CDC.

00:05:14.220 So I think, I've kind of lost track of the tally,

00:05:17.460 but I think we're now at the point

00:05:19.200 where virtually everything the experts told us

00:05:23.380 and then the politicians used the experts to tell us

00:05:26.100 was wrong.

00:05:27.640 Florida Governor Ron DeSantis

00:05:28.840 was one of the people who had a reasonable, cautious,

00:05:33.960 but still skeptical, normal reaction

00:05:38.200 to the coronavirus.

00:05:39.560 He did not become hysterical.

00:05:41.080 He did not become an alarmist.

00:05:42.720 And he was pilloried for that.

00:05:45.060 They said he was going to kill people, right? 0.62

00:05:46.900 All the usual stuff. 0.99

00:05:47.840 Killing granny, especially in Florida, 1.00

00:05:49.220 where a lot of older Americans live. 0.97

00:05:52.040 Now that he's correct,

00:05:54.180 now that he's been shown correct,

00:05:55.480 DeSantis was speaking with the vice president, Mike Pence,

00:06:00.340 and he was responding to a health official

00:06:02.600 and he laid the smackdown.

00:06:05.140 Our data is available.

00:06:07.180 Our data is transparent.

00:06:08.740 In fact, Dr. Birx has talked multiple times

00:06:11.340 about how Florida has the absolute best data.

00:06:14.820 So any insinuation otherwise

00:06:16.660 is just typical partisan narrative trying to be spun.

00:06:21.860 And part of the reason is that

00:06:23.540 because you've got a lot of people in your profession

00:06:25.620 who waxed poetically for weeks and weeks

00:06:28.580 about how Florida was going to be just like New York.

00:06:31.680 Wait two weeks, Florida's going to be next.

00:06:33.720 Just like Italy, wait two weeks. 0.93

00:06:35.460 Well, hell, we're eight weeks away from that

00:06:37.360 and it hasn't happened.

00:06:38.420 Not only do we have a lower death rate,

00:06:40.480 well, we have way lower deaths generally,

00:06:42.000 we have a lower death rate than the Acela Corridor,

00:06:44.540 D.C., everyone up there.

00:06:46.060 We have a lower death rate than the Midwest,

00:06:48.200 Illinois, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio.

00:06:50.820 But even in our region, Louisiana, Mississippi,

00:06:54.220 Alabama, Georgia, Florida has the lower death rate.

00:06:57.340 And I was the number one landing spot

00:07:00.300 from tens of thousands of people

00:07:02.460 leaving the number one hot zone in the world

00:07:04.640 to come to my state.

00:07:06.140 So we've succeeded.

00:07:07.760 And I think that people just don't want to recognize it

00:07:11.280 because it challenges their narrative.

00:07:13.620 Yes.

00:07:14.400 Yeah, it goes on.

00:07:15.440 It goes on for like 20 more seconds.

00:07:16.860 We don't have time to play the whole thing.

00:07:18.180 It's exactly right.

00:07:20.560 And the fear-mongering politicians

00:07:22.460 and the fear-mongering health officials

00:07:25.180 and the fear-mongering media deserve all of this.

00:07:29.380 Oh, how I love it.

00:07:31.960 What happened here is that the Democrats made

00:07:34.980 a Faucian bargain.

00:07:37.560 Like a Faustian bargain,

00:07:39.660 a Faucian bargain is where you make a deal with the devil, 0.97

00:07:43.000 except that the devil is a petite man from Brooklyn.

00:07:45.400 And I'm not, I'm not calling Dr. Fauci the devil,

00:07:48.880 but the deal that the Democrats made here

00:07:52.080 is very much like a deal with the devil.

00:07:55.640 A Faustian bargain, deal with the devil,

00:07:57.560 is when you sell your soul for limitless knowledge and power.

00:08:01.980 And a Faucian bargain is when you sell your credibility,

00:08:05.440 which is your political soul,

00:08:06.940 for limitless knowledge and limitless power over the citizens.

00:08:11.340 And like a Faustian bargain,

00:08:14.740 a Faucian bargain doesn't turn out the way

00:08:16.960 that you think it will.

00:08:18.380 This is, this is the trouble with deals with the devil.

00:08:20.560 As you get to the end of the deal with the devil

00:08:21.940 and you realize, oh no, I've made a terrible mistake.

00:08:24.280 I don't actually have all the things that I wanted.

00:08:26.360 It's the same thing with the Faucian bargain. 0.77

00:08:29.040 Okay, the Faucian bargain tells you,

00:08:31.040 oh good, if we,

00:08:31.840 if we exploit this public concern over this virus

00:08:35.760 that no one can see,

00:08:36.640 if we generate mass hysteria,

00:08:39.440 if we make people wear all sorts of crazy things

00:08:41.640 and lock down the economy and stay home from work

00:08:44.120 and 40 million people are gonna lose their jobs

00:08:46.500 and actually more people very likely are gonna die

00:08:49.460 because of these policies

00:08:50.360 and we're gonna take old people 1.00

00:08:51.160 and put them in nursing homes 0.82

00:08:52.100 because we're so incompetent in the way

00:08:54.120 that we implement this.

00:08:55.280 But we're gonna get a new normal.

00:08:56.580 We're gonna get the Green New Deal. 0.93

00:08:58.140 We're gonna get all those policies that we want.

00:09:00.060 We're gonna get socialist medicine.

00:09:01.720 Oh, the things we've wanted for a hundred years.

00:09:04.420 That's the deal that they made.

00:09:05.840 Now it's falling apart.

00:09:09.080 Okay, you'll live by the lab coat,

00:09:11.800 you die by the lab coat.

00:09:13.440 If you stake your entire political credibility

00:09:16.480 on the prognostications

00:09:18.560 of these soothsayer prophet scientist experts,

00:09:22.540 then when those predictions turn out not to be true,

00:09:25.720 you got nothing.

00:09:26.860 You've got no credibility at all

00:09:28.680 and Ron DeSantis smacks you down on national television,

00:09:31.940 which is a wonderful thing.

00:09:32.940 It never works out the way that these guys want it to.

00:09:37.260 And I'm so pleased that it doesn't.

00:09:39.600 I love watching this sort of hysteria crumble.

00:09:43.420 There was the mayor of Atlanta.

00:09:45.060 Her name is Keisha Bottoms.

00:09:47.460 The mayor came out,

00:09:49.560 I forget what it was,

00:09:50.460 a few weeks ago,

00:09:51.100 a few months ago at this point,

00:09:52.020 and I'm losing track of time.

00:09:53.840 And she said,

00:09:55.180 when Georgia reopens,

00:09:57.540 Republican governor,

00:09:58.460 don't forget,

00:09:59.420 Brian Kemp in Georgia,

00:10:00.600 when Georgia reopens,

00:10:02.640 deaths are going to spike.

00:10:04.300 It's going to be a disaster.

00:10:06.620 Brian Kemp is going to have blood on his hands.

00:10:09.020 And if he,

00:10:10.140 if it doesn't happen that way,

00:10:11.660 then I am going to admit that I was wrong.

00:10:15.180 Well,

00:10:15.680 here we are all these weeks later,

00:10:17.640 Georgia was, 0.70

00:10:18.200 I think the first state to open,

00:10:20.040 certainly one of the first and the deaths haven't spiked.

00:10:22.960 So she goes on MSNBC.

00:10:25.920 You'll be surprised.

00:10:27.740 She doesn't want to admit that she was wrong.

00:10:29.400 Mayor.

00:10:30.040 I believe I remember when we were talking to you prior to the quote unquote

00:10:34.920 reopening of Georgia,

00:10:36.240 which as we know was very early.

00:10:38.620 And let's also note,

00:10:40.140 there's a robust conversation going on about the quality of the numbers.

00:10:44.560 We're all getting out of the state of Georgia.

00:10:46.600 But I think I remember you saying that you hoped to be wrong,

00:10:52.700 that you hoped the situation would be better than you feared.

00:10:56.360 And if you were in fact wrong,

00:10:58.400 you would say to the governor,

00:11:00.020 I was wrong.

00:11:01.420 Is,

00:11:01.720 is there a,

00:11:02.760 is it a little muddier than being able to say I was right or are I was

00:11:07.680 wrong?

00:11:08.140 Are we,

00:11:09.000 as of the time of this conversation somewhere in the middle,

00:11:11.560 do you think?

00:11:12.120 Stop,

00:11:12.660 stop.

00:11:13.060 How long does it take you to just ask the question?

00:11:17.540 Hey,

00:11:18.120 mayor,

00:11:18.480 were you wrong?

00:11:19.240 You said that you would say that you were wrong and it looks like you were

00:11:22.080 wrong.

00:11:22.360 Were you wrong?

00:11:24.300 Were you wrong?

00:11:25.100 It's three words,

00:11:26.420 but,

00:11:26.520 but Brian Williams,

00:11:27.780 I mean,

00:11:28.040 look to his credit,

00:11:29.040 he at least brought up the question,

00:11:30.720 but he had to preface the question with,

00:11:32.760 uh,

00:11:33.040 well,

00:11:33.580 uh,

00:11:33.920 there's a robust conversation about the numbers.

00:11:36.900 Yeah.

00:11:37.000 The robust conversation is people think in many places,

00:11:39.540 numbers are being overreported,

00:11:41.180 but he wants to insinuate that numbers are being underreported.

00:11:44.280 And,

00:11:44.640 you know,

00:11:45.180 there are a lot of factors at play here and I never would want you to say

00:11:49.200 that you were wrong,

00:11:49.960 but do you think maybe now here,

00:11:51.620 here's the answer that you should say,

00:11:52.960 mayor,

00:11:53.260 it's too complicated because it's in the middle and we can't,

00:11:56.600 we can't say it either way.

00:11:58.020 So don't,

00:11:58.680 don't say that you were wrong.

00:11:59.640 Just,

00:12:00.200 if you're going to ask the question,

00:12:01.800 ask the question.

00:12:02.660 And if you're not,

00:12:03.880 if you just want to carry water for these hack politicians,

00:12:07.060 these alarmists,

00:12:08.220 then just don't bring it up. 1.00

00:12:09.920 Cause now what happens is you look ridiculous. 0.99

00:12:12.860 And even as much as you're trying to help this mayor, 1.00

00:12:16.300 this mayor,

00:12:17.080 uh,

00:12:17.240 mayor bottoms,

00:12:18.400 she,

00:12:18.880 she still can't get out of it cause she was dead wrong.

00:12:21.960 And now she's caught in this trap.

00:12:23.580 So of course,

00:12:24.360 finally,

00:12:25.100 Brian Williams stopped speaking.

00:12:26.360 Uh,

00:12:26.640 she tries to answer the question and,

00:12:28.620 uh,

00:12:29.060 she doesn't think she's wrong.

00:12:30.800 Um,

00:12:31.160 I,

00:12:31.400 well,

00:12:31.620 what I can say,

00:12:32.360 Brian is it's not as bad as I thought that it would be.

00:12:35.900 So I am pleased about that,

00:12:37.380 but I'd still think it's too soon to say.

00:12:40.400 Okay.

00:12:40.640 So if it's not as bad as you thought it would be,

00:12:42.220 then you were wrong.

00:12:42.940 And then,

00:12:43.220 and what you said you would do is admit that you were wrong.

00:12:46.560 Admit that you were wrong.

00:12:48.620 I can't,

00:12:49.420 it's like,

00:12:49.620 I feel like I'm Ron DeSantis talking to that healthcare worker.

00:12:52.280 Just admit you were wrong.

00:12:53.400 Okay.

00:12:54.940 Or don't,

00:12:55.700 I don't even care because people are realizing it day by day by day.

00:13:00.660 And the longer that the left and the Democrats cling to this hysteria, 0.99

00:13:08.320 the more ridiculous they're going to look. 0.99

00:13:11.560 And, 0.98

00:13:12.080 and the more they double down on this premise on the Fauci and bargain that we don't,

00:13:17.100 we don't design our own politics.

00:13:19.300 We actually just outsource it all to the lab coats.

00:13:22.760 Okay.

00:13:23.120 Then what are,

00:13:23.620 what do we need you for?

00:13:25.640 What's the point?

00:13:26.300 You know,

00:13:26.740 there are two political visions at play here.

00:13:29.600 There's,

00:13:30.200 well,

00:13:30.580 I don't even,

00:13:31.180 I couldn't even call them both authentically political.

00:13:33.740 There's the one political vision,

00:13:35.880 which conservatives have,

00:13:37.440 which is,

00:13:38.220 Hey,

00:13:39.460 politics is complicated.

00:13:40.960 Society is complicated.

00:13:42.200 There are eternal questions that don't have precise scientific answers.

00:13:46.320 And we have to debate those things.

00:13:48.200 And that's why we have self-government and we need to balance factors like making sure that we can protect public health while preserving our liberties and preserving the rule of law and not allowing the law enforcement to get too aggressive.

00:14:01.100 And keeping the economy going because a down economy kills people just as much as a virus, actually more, right?

00:14:08.300 So there are all these factors and we just have to debate what our priorities are.

00:14:11.380 That's politics.

00:14:12.160 Then there's the kind of leftist shortcut that they tried to take,

00:14:16.460 which is politics is a,

00:14:18.440 an exact science.

00:14:19.880 We,

00:14:20.400 we know exactly what we should do.

00:14:22.720 It's not like we have to debate these questions.

00:14:24.320 We just know exactly what the scientific answer to politics is.

00:14:27.300 And we're going to let some guy in a lab coat decide it all for us because conveniently right now he agrees with the things that we want.

00:14:34.480 Well,

00:14:34.940 okay.

00:14:35.240 What happens?

00:14:36.020 What happens when that guy's power falls apart?

00:14:39.360 Sadly,

00:14:39.800 this mayor of Atlanta has probably got the most coherent response of,

00:14:45.220 of any of these lefties to their narrative falling apart.

00:14:48.480 We,

00:14:48.960 we tune in on MSNBC to Mika Brzezinski,

00:14:52.420 Joe Scarborough's wife and co-host who didn't really have any argument.

00:14:57.300 Other than throwing a temper tantrum at Donald Trump and saying that she was going to call Twitter to get his account kicked off. 1.00

00:15:05.860 And your lack of ability to handle this massive human catastrophe,

00:15:10.380 the fact that you've made it worse and that you make it worse every day and that you won't even wear a mask to protect people from your germs.

00:15:18.100 But the germs you're spreading on Twitter,

00:15:21.000 first of all,

00:15:21.380 Twitter,

00:15:22.040 you shouldn't be allowing this and you should be taking these tweets down and you should be ashamed of yourself.

00:15:27.860 You'll be hearing from me on this because this is BS.

00:15:31.620 But Donald, 1.00

00:15:32.440 you're a sick person. 1.00

00:15:33.740 You're really a cruel, 1.00

00:15:35.660 sick, 1.00

00:15:36.600 disgusting person. 1.00

00:15:38.240 So as you know, 0.98

00:15:40.020 Mika will not be changing her last name from Brzezinski to Scarborough,

00:15:44.220 but she will be changing her first name to Karen.

00:15:48.060 If you've seen this,

00:15:49.540 we mentioned it on the show the other day.

00:15:50.920 There's this meme that's going around about Karen,

00:15:53.500 which is a sort of busy body lady who's telling everybody their business and, 1.00

00:15:57.520 you know,

00:15:57.820 asks to speak to the manager and just,

00:16:00.080 you know,

00:16:00.280 everything's a big fight and very involved in what everybody else is doing.

00:16:05.860 That would seem to be what Mika is doing here. 0.99

00:16:09.380 It's like the par excellence example of this.

00:16:12.900 I'm going to get you kicked off.

00:16:13.840 I'm going to,

00:16:14.320 you're going to hear from me,

00:16:15.300 Twitter.

00:16:15.980 I'm,

00:16:16.320 you're going to,

00:16:16.600 well,

00:16:16.740 I'm hearing from you now because you're speaking on television.

00:16:19.060 You're going to hear from me.

00:16:19.920 I'm going to call your manager and I'm going to get Donald Trump kicked off 0.92

00:16:22.380 Twitter because he's a meanie and I don't like him.

00:16:25.220 And he was right about everything.

00:16:26.420 And we were wrong.

00:16:27.220 We were totally wrong.

00:16:29.340 Not a great look,

00:16:31.160 not a great look.

00:16:31.960 Obviously they don't have any kind of argument to this.

00:16:35.580 They blew it.

00:16:37.060 Not just Mika Brzezinski on all the way over in Washington,

00:16:41.620 DC.

00:16:42.540 Nancy Pelosi was asked about Trump,

00:16:45.280 asked about her comments on Trump.

00:16:47.180 You know,

00:16:47.600 the last best argument she had against him,

00:16:49.920 is she called him fat.

00:16:51.520 That was like the best thing she could muster. 0.99

00:16:53.460 Now she's saying that he has excrement on his shoe. 0.92

00:16:56.920 You're asking me about the appropriateness of the actions of this president of the United 0.92

00:17:01.740 States.

00:17:02.840 So completely inappropriate in so many ways that it's almost a given.

00:17:08.920 It's like a child who comes in with mud on their pants or something.

00:17:14.700 That's the way it is.

00:17:15.620 They're outside playing.

00:17:16.560 That's what it is.

00:17:17.280 He comes in with doggy do on his shoes.

00:17:20.600 And everybody who works with him has that on their shoes, too, for a very long time to come.

00:17:28.140 So I don't know.

00:17:29.140 I hear doctors talk to me about saying, you know, what's the matter with him?

00:17:34.280 The things he says are so inappropriate for a president of the United States.

00:17:40.700 The comments he makes about women.

00:17:43.720 Comments he makes about women.

00:17:46.420 So inappropriate.

00:17:48.540 So inappropriate.

00:17:49.200 The things he says are so inappropriate for a president.

00:17:53.060 They're so unbefitting a holder of high office.

00:17:55.360 Also, his shoes are covered in doggy do.

00:18:00.600 What?

00:18:01.940 You see how it kind of sounds like you're doing the thing that you're accusing him of doing.

00:18:08.180 The things that Donald Trump says about women.

00:18:11.200 Well, I don't listen to the things you say about men.

00:18:13.820 I understand Donald Trump has made some mean comments, including about Karen Brzezinski.

00:18:18.420 But think about the things you say about him. 0.77

00:18:20.920 You went on TV and called him fat. 1.00

00:18:22.260 And then beyond that, beyond the stupid, like, you used a mean term and then I used a mean term. 0.99

00:18:28.740 How about the allegations against Joe Biden? 0.99

00:18:31.020 Remember Joe Biden, your candidate for president?

00:18:34.680 He's being, I guess, somewhat credibly accused.

00:18:37.980 I don't know.

00:18:38.280 Who knows if the allegations are credible or not?

00:18:40.040 Democrats have ignored it completely.

00:18:41.920 He's being accused by a former staffer of doing a very specific action.

00:18:45.440 And there is some corroboration of that.

00:18:48.820 Okay, Donald Trump.

00:18:49.500 I don't know. 0.96

00:18:49.760 They always say there are 7 million women accusing Donald Trump of rape.

00:18:53.280 Well, how come we haven't heard about any of them?

00:18:55.760 Don't you think if any of those allegations were serious that the news would, would put

00:19:00.020 them on television 24 seven all the time?

00:19:02.800 Of course, because they're, they, none of them come even close to the allegation against

00:19:06.760 Joe Biden.

00:19:07.880 The way he talks about women.

00:19:10.920 What about, what are the, what about your side, Nancy?

00:19:13.160 What about the things that you're doing?

00:19:14.240 There's a whole lot of projection.

00:19:15.260 Uh, she's got nothing.

00:19:17.820 There is a lot of dirt though, in, in terms of moving past the coronavirus for a little

00:19:22.560 bit.

00:19:23.580 There's a lot of serious news that is not being covered by Joe Biden because Joe Biden

00:19:28.640 got caught in leaked audio talking about that crooked deal with the leader of Ukraine.

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00:20:51.580 The top line news story, the news story that everyone's talking about, which is this debate

00:20:56.260 over the coronavirus.

00:20:57.360 Forget for a moment, all the mud that Democrats are trying to sling on Trump.

00:21:02.140 Let's just go down and remember that there's a presidential race going on.

00:21:06.020 It is 2020.

00:21:07.280 Joe Biden is the presumptive democratic nominee.

00:21:09.900 He's being accused, not just of the sexual allegations, but of some pretty serious corruption

00:21:15.740 involving his son and the Obama administration and Ukraine.

00:21:20.100 Right?

00:21:20.440 Obviously no one's covering that now we've got leaked audio from Joe Biden speaking to

00:21:26.960 then vice, vice, then Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko about this crooked deal where

00:21:36.380 Joe Biden said, you've got to fire the prosecutor, Victor Shokin looking into my son, and I will

00:21:43.380 give you a $1 billion loan guarantee from the United States.

00:21:47.780 Here's the tape.

00:21:48.940 Hey, Mr. President, Joe Biden.

00:21:50.800 How are you?

00:21:51.720 Very well indeed.

00:21:53.100 As usual, I hear your voice.

00:21:55.900 Thank you very much.

00:21:56.340 Well, you are doing very well.

00:21:58.160 Congratulations on getting the new prosecutor general.

00:22:02.320 I know there's a lot more that has to be done, but I really, I really think that's, I think

00:22:07.440 that's good.

00:22:08.080 And I understand you're working with the rod in the coming days on a number of additional

00:22:13.740 laws to secure the IMF.

00:22:16.680 So, but congratulations on installing the new prosecutor general.

00:22:19.880 It's going to be critical for him to work quickly to repair the damage that Shokin did. 0.95

00:22:25.360 And I'm a man of my word.

00:22:27.220 I, and that now that the new prosecutor general's in place, we're ready to move forward in signing

00:22:31.820 that new $1 billion loan guarantee.

00:22:34.620 Wow.

00:22:36.220 When I heard this for the first time, I thought it was fake.

00:22:40.440 I assumed it was some Biden impersonator and some Ukrainian impersonator and they had, because

00:22:46.420 you couldn't have scripted this any better.

00:22:48.500 Hi there, Poroshenko.

00:22:50.860 This is Joe Biden, the vice president.

00:22:53.700 Thanks for firing that guy that was looking into my son.

00:22:56.740 Now I'll give you a billion dollars.

00:22:59.720 It's almost exactly what he said.

00:23:01.360 And I thought, there's no way that any sitting politician would be this careless to speak

00:23:07.260 this freely about something that's really stinks of corruption.

00:23:11.600 And then I remembered, oh wait, it's Joe Biden.

00:23:13.660 Oh wait, no, wait a minute.

00:23:15.140 If anybody is going to talk about this freely and imprudently, it would be Joe Biden.

00:23:20.120 So that's Joe Biden's side of it.

00:23:22.380 Then later in the tape, Petro Poroshenko reiterates the very deal that Joe Biden mentioned.

00:23:29.060 The second thing is that I want to thank you, that you give me your word, that immediately

00:23:33.880 when we change the legislation and I appoint the new prosecutor general, and it would be

00:23:39.560 Yuri Lutsenko, as we agreed on our previous meeting in Washington.

00:23:43.880 And when it happens, we can have at least long guarantee.

00:23:48.920 And thank you.

00:23:49.880 Why is Joe Biden so interested in this prosecutor general in Ukraine?

00:23:54.660 Ukraine.

00:23:55.780 Why?

00:23:57.280 What Joe Biden would say is, it's because the previous prosecutor general was corrupt.

00:24:02.680 And so we didn't want to support Ukraine because there was generalized corruption.

00:24:07.920 Who cares?

00:24:08.740 I mean, we're talking about these billion dollar loan guarantees during a war, wartime, right?

00:24:12.140 Ukraine versus Russia.

00:24:14.060 Why do you care about generalized Ukrainian corruption?

00:24:16.600 Also, if you're worried about the corruption, you're talking to the main guy, Petro Poroshenko.

00:24:19.640 So the only corruption you got to be worried about is that guy, right?

00:24:23.320 If you're worried that the money is going to be frittered away or something, the story

00:24:26.500 just doesn't add up.

00:24:28.320 Clearly Biden had a personal vendetta against this, this prosecutor general, Victor Shokin.

00:24:36.140 And he talks about it.

00:24:37.780 And then Poroshenko reiterates, he says, yeah, what, you know, as you asked me to do when I

00:24:44.020 was in Washington, we are going to ditch that guy and put in this other guy.

00:24:47.940 So thank you for the billion dollars.

00:24:51.100 Stinks to high heaven.

00:24:52.020 No one's covering it.

00:24:53.780 A few places have, have affirmed that this is a real tape, but they're only talking about

00:24:59.940 the story as though the story were the fact that it leaked.

00:25:03.260 No, no, no.

00:25:03.760 The real story is what is in those tapes.

00:25:06.780 This thing has seemed extremely corrupt from the beginning.

00:25:10.320 And that only seems clearer now.

00:25:13.040 That's only the beginning of Joe Biden's troubles because nobody is taking Joe Biden seriously.

00:25:17.940 A lot of people are talking about the vice presidential candidate as the person who really matters

00:25:23.300 here because Joe seems like he's in a pretty steep decline.

00:25:26.360 So there are a number of people vying for the vice presidential nod.

00:25:31.160 One worse than the next.

00:25:32.900 We'll get to the main one in a second.

00:25:34.880 You know, the one everyone's talking about.

00:25:36.300 But another person who is apparently being vetted for vice president is maybe the least popular

00:25:41.960 governor governor in America during this coronavirus, Gretchen Whitmer in Michigan.

00:25:46.980 Here's Gretchen Whitmer bragging about being vetted for vice president on NBC. 0.99

00:25:51.520 How's the vetting process going so far?

00:25:53.980 Are you being vetted by Mr. Biden?

00:25:56.380 You know, I've had a conversation with some folks, but the fact of the matter is all of my

00:26:02.040 energy is going into helping my state through this crisis, unlike one that we've seen in

00:26:07.340 a hundred years in this country, we have to get it right.

00:26:10.260 And I was elected to be the governor of the state of Michigan.

00:26:12.920 It is the honor of a lifetime.

00:26:14.680 And that's where I'm spending a hundred percent of my energy and focus.

00:26:17.760 This conversation that you had, how would you characterize the conversation?

00:26:21.080 It was just an opening conversation.

00:26:23.300 And it's not something that I would call a professional, you know, formalized vetting.

00:26:29.540 And I am making a little bit of time to stay connected to the campaign.

00:26:34.640 But, you know, the most important thing that I have to do right now is be the governor of

00:26:38.600 my home state.

00:26:39.900 That's all that matters to me in this moment.

00:26:41.920 And that's where I'm going to stay all my energy focused.

00:26:44.380 All that matters to me in this moment is being the governor of my state.

00:26:47.000 And that's why I'm going on national network television to talk about how maybe I'll be the

00:26:50.740 vice president.

00:26:51.480 But I don't really want to talk about that.

00:26:53.080 I know I know that I've been talking about it a lot.

00:26:55.080 Did I mention, by the way, that I might be the vice president?

00:26:57.260 Yeah, Joe Biden called me.

00:26:58.220 We had a chat, but really, I'm not interested in that.

00:27:00.520 I just want to talk about being governor.

00:27:02.600 Okay.

00:27:03.760 I don't know whether Whitmer is being vetted or not.

00:27:06.940 I mean, in a way, I guess it makes sense because winning Michigan would really help the Democrats

00:27:10.780 out. 0.97

00:27:11.400 In a way, it makes sense because Joe Biden has pretty dumb political instincts these days, 0.98

00:27:16.380 at least at the presidential level. 0.93

00:27:18.000 He's been very good at remaining a senator and in national life for 50 years, but he's never

00:27:23.100 had any talent at really going up to the next level.

00:27:25.940 And so this would be, this would be part and parcel of that.

00:27:30.320 The other possibility here is that she's not being really seriously vetted at all by the

00:27:36.200 Biden campaign, that maybe the Biden campaign is trying to keep her happy. 0.86

00:27:40.240 But really, regardless, Gretchen Whitmer is talking about this on television as a shot across the bow at Stacey Abrams. 1.00

00:27:50.420 Stacey Abrams has really changed the game here.

00:27:53.760 Stacey Abrams is this failed gubernatorial candidate. 1.00

00:27:57.280 She lost.

00:27:58.040 Then she wouldn't concede.

00:27:59.460 Then she keeps pretending that she didn't lose.

00:28:01.520 And now she's campaigning actively, openly for vice president. 0.61

00:28:07.300 Really, it's really ugly.

00:28:08.740 It's an ugly thing to do.

00:28:10.080 Doesn't look good.

00:28:11.160 I mean, but the media are really enthusiastic about her for a number of reasons.

00:28:16.860 And so now the other people have to campaign as well, including people like Gretchen Whitmer.

00:28:21.840 So I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Biden campaign has never picked up the phone to talk to her.

00:28:26.100 She wants to take this shot across the bow to say, hey, wait a second.

00:28:28.480 This isn't just Stacey Abrams running for vice president.

00:28:31.600 I am running for vice president, too.

00:28:33.660 And she's not getting anywhere near the coverage that Stacey Abrams is. 0.95

00:28:39.100 I've wanted to get to this article all week.

00:28:41.260 This is an article from The Washington Post.

00:28:43.740 I think it's like 60 pages long.

00:28:47.400 It's a profile of Stacey Abrams that is, I'm not joking.

00:28:50.700 I think it's like, it's a, it's a novel length profile in The Washington Post of this failed

00:28:58.480 governor candidate.

00:29:00.580 And what, Stacey Abrams, all she's ever been is a state rep. 0.99

00:29:04.560 And yet she's being talked of as one of the most important politicians in America.

00:29:09.200 Just a few lines to give you the sense of this fiction.

00:29:13.440 Just a few lines to give you a sense of this propaganda.

00:29:15.720 The power of Stacey Abrams, despite losing the Georgia governor's race in 2018, she has

00:29:22.200 moved quickly to political prominence.

00:29:25.220 Right, because you, you gave her political prominence. 0.72

00:29:28.160 She, she hasn't moved quickly to it.

00:29:29.740 You've just given it to her because you wanted to pretend that she won the race anyway.

00:29:33.360 Will she be the vice presidential pick for Democrats? 0.99

00:29:36.280 I don't know.

00:29:37.140 You, you guys are doing this.

00:29:38.720 So, or is she, I should ask you, watching a post, you're the ones who are going to pick

00:29:43.140 this kind of thing.

00:29:44.560 First line, there is a big buzz at the Loudermilk Convention Center in downtown Atlanta at a

00:29:49.980 gathering called Paradigm Shift 2.0.

00:29:54.260 When she, Stacey Abrams, is finally introduced, the women shout and leap to their feet. 0.98

00:30:00.100 Young women stand on chairs, camera phones flash.

00:30:04.080 Abrams, who appears both amused and slightly disturbed by the fuss over her.

00:30:08.060 Yeah, I bet she's real disturbed.

00:30:10.060 Stacey Abrams hates the limelight. 0.57

00:30:12.180 Yeah, there's one thing I know about Stacey Abrams. 1.00

00:30:14.180 She hates getting attention, right?

00:30:16.200 This woman who refuses to admit that she lost the race, goes on television all the time, 1.00

00:30:20.520 pretends to be the governor of Georgia.

00:30:22.020 Yeah, no, she's disturbed by the fuss over her. 1.00

00:30:24.480 She takes control of the chaotic scene.

00:30:26.980 She takes control.

00:30:28.180 She's a leader.

00:30:29.600 I've witnessed this level of affection for very few political leaders in the democratic

00:30:33.420 circles I've been in since the 1980s.

00:30:35.800 Yeah, no, you've witnessed this level of affection for whichever one you guys are elevating in

00:30:40.740 any given moment.

00:30:42.100 Sure, I guess you can only really elevate one at a time, but you pick it.

00:30:45.800 You are the circles.

00:30:47.000 You are the affection.

00:30:49.400 And then this is the best line.

00:30:52.920 Pandemonium ensues as she walks to the far left of the stage like a runway supermodel. 1.00

00:31:00.120 I'm not going to make any comment about that.

00:31:04.980 I'm just reading the Washington Post.

00:31:07.760 You can't trick me into making a comment about that.

00:31:11.300 I'm just, the word say, it's right there.

00:31:14.880 She walks across the stage like a runway supermodel, stops on a dime, poses, tilts her head slightly, 1.00

00:31:22.800 and smiles.

00:31:24.160 Camera flashes.

00:31:25.960 Explode.

00:31:27.340 She pivots. 0.60

00:31:28.360 She next pivots and walks slowly to the center of the stage. 0.96

00:31:32.540 Freezes there and repeats the pose.

00:31:35.120 Again, the flashes explode.

00:31:37.740 They explode.

00:31:38.920 They don't explode.

00:31:41.020 Cameras haven't worked that way in a hundred years.

00:31:43.380 The image that she's giving you is like at some old-timey press conference, and the guy

00:31:47.880 is holding up the flash, and he's got the camera, and they click it, and the light bulb,

00:31:50.400 and the camera explodes.

00:31:51.720 None of that happened.

00:31:52.920 None of what is being described here happened.

00:31:55.100 Except in the imagination, the fevered imagination, of the partisan operatives who pretend to be

00:32:03.360 journalists at places like the Washington Post.

00:32:07.460 That's living in fiction.

00:32:09.200 That's living in fantasy.

00:32:10.460 That's living in delusion.

00:32:12.320 And it's something that Democrats do regularly.

00:32:15.000 The trouble with that, it ties right back in to what we were talking about with the coronavirus,

00:32:22.160 with the Fauci and bargain.

00:32:23.740 The trouble with that, with staking all of your credibility on this fantasy, rather than

00:32:29.340 just like calling it like you see it, having a little bit of skepticism, looking at the

00:32:33.540 facts, and interpreting them as accurately as you can.

00:32:36.360 The trouble with just pushing this fantasy, as if by merely saying certain things, you

00:32:44.220 can change reality.

00:32:45.580 This has been the left's pitch going all the way back to intellectuals like Karl Marx, right?

00:32:50.380 If you just change the words, you will change the reality.

00:32:53.300 If I call a boy a girl, then the boy really is a girl. 0.99

00:32:55.560 If I say that the disease is, the virus is going to kill everybody, it's going to kill

00:33:01.540 three million people, then it really will.

00:33:03.940 If I say that the virus spreads in a certain, then it really will.

00:33:07.480 If I say that this failed gubernatorial candidate is a runway supermodel, the most important

00:33:12.980 politician in the last 20 years in American history, then that really will be the case.

00:33:17.440 But it won't be.

00:33:18.460 But it won't be, because reality reasserts itself in the end.

00:33:21.340 And that is our wonderful conservative consolation when we consider all those shady deals, Fauci

00:33:29.200 and bargains that the left makes.

00:33:30.540 All right, we got to get to the mailbag first, though.

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00:34:39.640 From Kevin, hey Michael, I recently got into an argument with a leftist on social media

00:34:57.420 about socialism.

00:34:59.000 He said America is a socialist country because we have a publicly funded police force, fire

00:35:05.000 departments, public schools, and roads.

00:35:07.520 What would you say to rebut that?

00:35:09.860 Thanks.

00:35:10.220 Came for Ben.

00:35:10.720 Stayed for Knowles.

00:35:11.400 A great question.

00:35:12.360 You hear this one a lot.

00:35:14.200 They say that if the government has any sort of public service, then that is socialism.

00:35:19.140 But that's obviously preposterous on its face.

00:35:21.560 How do we know that?

00:35:22.700 Because socialism as an ideology is not very old.

00:35:26.420 A couple hundred years old, right?

00:35:27.860 A little more than that now, I guess.

00:35:29.580 Two to three hundred years old.

00:35:30.660 And yet, societies had public services more than two or three hundred years ago.

00:35:39.220 Actually, they've always had public services and the government has provided certain things

00:35:45.660 to the people.

00:35:46.540 So it just, by definition, all of those things can't be socialism because socialism is very

00:35:52.080 recent and young and that phenomenon is very old and has long standing.

00:35:56.120 When we talk about things like the military or the police or the fire department, these

00:36:02.780 are services that the government, in many ways, is instituted to establish, right?

00:36:09.740 To protect us from threats abroad and to maintain law and order here in the United States.

00:36:15.480 We've had them since, certainly since the very beginning of our country and every civilization

00:36:20.820 in the history of the world has had that as well.

00:36:22.700 Now, socialism is a little bit different.

00:36:24.780 Socialism takes a very specific ideology developed by people such as Karl Marx.

00:36:30.080 It views the world as a class struggle between the proletarians and the bourgeoisie.

00:36:37.540 It says that the workers of the world need to unite.

00:36:40.340 The workers need to come together, seize the means of production.

00:36:43.020 The way that this would be effected in reality is that the government would nationalize whole

00:36:47.780 industries, which you see a lot, a big push right now on the left, which is

00:36:52.040 more and more each day, openly socialist to do, and that this will create a sort of utopia

00:36:57.780 on earth.

00:36:58.380 The difference between socialism and communism, I know those terms get a little bit confused

00:37:02.860 sometimes.

00:37:04.060 It's a little bit of a distinction without a difference.

00:37:08.260 So to, to, a good analogy would be this.

00:37:13.080 Christians go to heaven and socialists go to communism. 0.92

00:37:17.520 So, in other words, there is this utopian idea, which for Christians would be heaven.

00:37:25.780 It's a utopian place.

00:37:28.100 It's like paradise.

00:37:29.480 It's perfection.

00:37:30.760 And for socialists, it's actually utopian, meaning no place, because they try to make a

00:37:37.040 heaven on earth, which is communism.

00:37:38.460 And you never get there, which is why all of these socialist experiments always end up

00:37:43.720 in tyranny.

00:37:44.660 And they, they somehow never get to that wonderful, blissful place that they always

00:37:48.560 promise.

00:37:51.500 Very different subjects, obviously.

00:37:53.340 I think part of the reason this gets confused is because in the United States, we have distilled

00:37:59.220 conservative thought down to this very shallow, narrow ideology where anytime the government

00:38:05.580 does anything, we say that it's socialism.

00:38:07.800 But that's not true.

00:38:08.920 That's never been true in this country.

00:38:10.300 That's a very reductionist, kind of hyper, super-duper libertarian view of government.

00:38:16.480 And it's just not very helpful to think about.

00:38:18.480 So, I think we've got to broaden our scope a little back, a little bit, look both more

00:38:22.480 deeply philosophically and more broadly historically.

00:38:25.020 And you can see that not every time the government does anything is it socialism.

00:38:29.320 But what the left is pushing now very much is.

00:38:32.640 From that, dear austere religious podcaster and Lord of Covfefe, what are your thoughts on

00:38:38.440 the Benedict option, as outlined by Rod Dreher and, to a lesser extent, Pope Benedict XVI?

00:38:44.020 Is it a viable option for Christians in the U.S. as the culture continues to decline and 0.98

00:38:48.240 becomes more hostile to Christianity and Christian values?

00:38:51.040 If not, how do you think the church should proceed into the future, given the immense challenges

00:38:56.320 from the culture?

00:38:57.340 Love the show.

00:38:57.900 Keep up the good work.

00:38:58.580 So, broadly speaking, the Benedict option is this idea that Christians need to go live 1.00

00:39:04.740 in the woods, more or less, and, you know, follow things like the rule of St. Benedict.

00:39:09.260 As empire collapses, then you can go and form these sort of monasteries and be a part of the

00:39:15.720 world and preserve the faith and preserve our culture for when we get to a more civilized

00:39:21.220 time, because we are rapidly descending into darkness.

00:39:23.900 I mean, I think there's a place for that, but I don't think we're quite there yet, and, you know,

00:39:28.520 all of the proponents of the Benedict option, I notice, are still going on television and

00:39:33.620 still writing things, and there's, you know, I just don't think we're at this point yet

00:39:36.740 where we're all living in the woods and, you know, we're kind of fully, really removed

00:39:41.900 ourselves from society.

00:39:43.640 But at a certain point, that very likely will happen, and that's an important thing, because 0.66

00:39:48.540 you need to keep the flame of the faith and the flame of civilization going, even during

00:39:53.180 those periods of persecution and darkness, and we are descending gradually into a period

00:39:58.760 of persecution.

00:39:59.660 We've gone from what you would call a Christian culture into now a secular materialist culture

00:40:04.820 with all sorts of kooky superstitions and ideologies and false religions, such as socialism

00:40:11.220 or environmentalism or spiritualism, you know, kind of the religion of the self, all of these

00:40:18.420 things, or transgenderism, which is a Gnostic dualism.

00:40:21.320 All of these things are cropping up now and becoming increasingly hostile to Christianity.

00:40:26.140 So be on the lookout for that.

00:40:27.420 Be willing and ready to do that if you have to.

00:40:30.380 But in the meantime, I think there's still a little chance that we can convince our fellow

00:40:33.880 citizens not to hasten the dissent.

00:40:37.220 From Catherine.

00:40:38.020 Hi, Michael.

00:40:38.500 You said, you can make me scream, but you can't make me sing the other day on your show.

00:40:42.840 I want to clarify.

00:40:43.420 I didn't say that to you.

00:40:45.120 That's not something I said to you, but I was saying that broadly.

00:40:48.560 Is that a quote from somewhere, or did you turn this particular phrase?

00:40:52.320 Google has availed me nothing.

00:40:54.040 It's a delightfully macabre and visceral idea, and I would like to properly attribute it when

00:41:00.120 I use it in the future.

00:41:00.760 Thank you so much.

00:41:01.580 It's not my own.

00:41:02.480 Like so many great phrases that I have parroted, I cribbed it.

00:41:06.660 I took it.

00:41:07.140 But this exchange I heard from my good friend and priest, Father Ruttler, one of the great

00:41:14.700 wordsmiths around whose writing you should read and whose homilies you should listen to.

00:41:20.740 And I heard this, I think I just heard this in his church one time.

00:41:24.680 He mentioned, now I forget the name of the opera singer, and I forget the name of the Nazi

00:41:29.360 official, but it's a story of during the rise of Nazism in Germany, an official wants to

00:41:37.040 hear this opera singer sing, and she refuses to go on stage.

00:41:41.220 And he goes backstage and says, go out there and perform.

00:41:45.760 We can make you sing.

00:41:47.140 And she says, you can make me scream, but you can't make me sing.

00:41:52.360 I don't think the story is apocryphal.

00:41:54.180 I think it did happen, as I recall hazily the details, though I'll have to look it up

00:41:59.280 and try to find the specifics on it.

00:42:01.440 Even if it were apocryphal, it gets to a real truth about that culture and our culture as well.

00:42:08.860 Increasingly, you're seeing the left try to coerce us into untruths and into pretty dark things.

00:42:18.040 And they're saying, we'll ruin your career if you don't spout lies.

00:42:22.160 I mean, just a very simple one.

00:42:24.700 If you don't say that little boys should be injected full of hormones and chemicals

00:42:28.360 to look more like little girls, even though it will fundamentally distort and destroy their biology. 0.69

00:42:35.560 If you don't say that now, you could lose your job.

00:42:39.140 You could be kicked out of school.

00:42:40.720 You could be called a hater and a bigot and ostracized from society.

00:42:44.940 And what the left is telling us is, we can make you sing.

00:42:48.420 We'll make you sing the tune that we want you to sing.

00:42:50.480 And what we need to say to all of them is, well, you can make me scream, but you can't make me sing.

00:42:55.920 From Joel, partisan traditionalist Knowles,

00:42:58.880 I seem to have noticed that you seem to be strongly against the prospect of a Libertarian Party presidential candidate.

00:43:05.260 Need I remind you that Abraham Lincoln was a third party candidate of the Republican Party?

00:43:10.180 Do you see a possibility of an electorate significantly disgusted with the Democratic Party

00:43:14.300 that it would fall to third place and be thrown into the wastebasket of history along with the Whig Party? 0.92

00:43:20.640 I would be open to fully kicking those donkeys off the national stage for the sake of the Constitution and preservation of the Republic.

00:43:27.460 Thank you for reading my query and partial rant.

00:43:30.100 I am interested in your question because usually when you hear, is there going to be a third party?

00:43:37.780 It's people who are disenchanted with their own parties.

00:43:40.460 You say, I don't like the Republican Party, but I'm still obviously not a Democrat.

00:43:44.220 So can I, you know, do you think there's going to be a third party like a Libertarian or something?

00:43:49.700 But what you're saying is, I am a Republican.

00:43:51.880 I don't like the Democrats and I want there to be a third party to destroy the Democrats.

00:43:55.720 I wish that would happen, but I don't think it's going to.

00:43:59.140 I don't see any evidence that it's going to.

00:44:00.500 Democrats are still a pretty sturdy party.

00:44:03.360 They're still fairly coherent.

00:44:05.880 The only split that you would get is between the more old school moderate wing and the woke progressive wing.

00:44:14.200 But that old school moderate wing doesn't really believe in anything.

00:44:18.000 So, you know, they'll kind of, you think of guys like Bill Clinton or Joe Biden.

00:44:22.680 I mean, it's not that they're moderate by conviction.

00:44:26.080 It's that they're moderate by circumstance and by convenience.

00:44:29.960 You know, if the winds blow in the other direction, they could become very woke.

00:44:34.000 So I don't see the moderates, so-called, putting up any sort of fight.

00:44:37.520 And I think that the woke people have more or less taken over the party.

00:44:40.840 I think when Tom Perez, the head of the DNC, said that AOC is the future of the Democratic Party, he's probably right.

00:44:47.040 And so if the party does collapse, which would be nice if it did at some point, I don't think it's going to happen for some time.

00:44:54.880 By the way, I do have to thank somebody in the mailbag.

00:44:57.500 I forget who it was.

00:44:59.600 We may have lost.

00:45:01.240 Oh, here it is from Becky.

00:45:02.080 I have to thank Becky.

00:45:02.980 Speaking of me cribbing people's slogans because I saw in Becky's question the phrase Fauci and bargain.

00:45:08.260 We don't have a chance to answer all of her questions.

00:45:11.720 Maybe we'll try to get to it next time in the mailbag.

00:45:13.100 But I do want to thank her for that because I think that phrase totally encapsulates an idea that a lot of us are thinking about.

00:45:20.760 That Democrats made a short-term deal to, you know, really exert a lot of power over all of us.

00:45:27.280 And it's, in the long run, falling apart, as all deals with the devil do.

00:45:33.160 And we can all laugh while that political calculation, while that hysteria, and while that alarmism falls apart.

00:45:40.220 A silver lining in a storm cloud.

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The Michael Knowles Show - May 21, 2020

Ep. 550 - The Democrats’ Faucian Bargain

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