The Michael Knowles Show - August 05, 2020


Ep. 592 - Democrats’ Antifa Problem


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Sen. Mazie Hirono storms out of a hearing on Antifa after being asked if she would condemn them. Does she have a problem with Antifa? Or is she just not paying attention to the problem at hand?

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00:00:00.000 You know, I'm beginning to think that these Democrats may not have our best interests at
00:00:05.700 heart. Now, I don't want to go out on a limb here, but it just seems to me from everything
00:00:11.540 they've been doing the past few days and weeks and months and quite a while that the Democrats
00:00:16.240 actually don't want our country to be strong, to recover, to come together, to maintain law and
00:00:24.220 order. The most recent example of this came when Democratic Senator Mazie Hirono was asked a simple
00:00:30.960 question. Will you condemn Antifa? Will you condemn the anarchists who are attacking people and smashing
00:00:38.620 in skulls and breaking down windows and setting the country on fire? Senator Ted Cruz posed this
00:00:44.580 question to Mazie Hirono. And what did she do? She stormed out of the Capitol. We should all join
00:00:51.220 hands and denouncing and whatever words you want to use about violent extremism of all stripes. And I
00:01:02.800 think we can all agree on that. So to constantly accuse Democrats of not caring about that is really,
00:01:10.180 I can only say that you aren't listening. So I hope this is the end of this hearing, Mr. Chairman,
00:01:16.940 and that we don't have to listen to any more of your rhetorical speeches. Thank you very much. I'm
00:01:21.520 leaving. Well, I appreciate the, as always, kind and uplifting words of Senator Hirono.
00:01:29.580 Thank you. And I would also note that throughout her remark, she still did not say a negative word
00:01:37.120 about Antifa, nor has any Democrat here. They instead engage in a political game where they depend,
00:01:44.260 you're welcome to say something negative about Antifa right now.
00:01:49.400 Oh, she's welcome to say something negative about Antifa right now, but she won't. Instead,
00:01:54.700 she'll storm out of the building. It's funny. This is almost like the flip of what the Democrats say
00:02:00.460 to conservatives. They'll say, say black lives matter. And Republicans who don't want to associate
00:02:05.980 themselves with a Marxist organization say, well, all lives matter. They say, but say black lives matter. 0.99
00:02:10.680 Well, that's what the Republicans are doing here. They say, will you condemn Antifa? Democrats say,
00:02:15.160 yeah, we condemn extremists. No, no, no, not extremists generally. Do you condemn Antifa? And
00:02:19.840 they can't do it. They can't do it because Antifa is the militant wing of the Democratic Party.
00:02:25.180 This is the tactic that conservatives are going to have to do. They're going to have to put
00:02:28.480 all the pressure back on Democrats to answer for their open contradictions, for their open calls
00:02:35.800 to tear down this country. We'll get into all of it. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show.
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00:03:55.220 rockauto.com. I don't think these Democrats have our best interests at heart. I think that probably
00:04:05.420 is just common sense these days, but I think we have to take it further. I think they have an active,
00:04:11.000 open antipathy for our country. I don't think they like our country. I think we knew this 12 years ago
00:04:17.800 when Barack Obama ran for president, and he said he wanted to fundamentally transform our country.
00:04:22.500 Now, he used high-flying rhetoric, so a lot of people didn't hear it then, and no one wanted
00:04:28.100 to hear that Barack Obama didn't like the country, but it is simply a fact that you don't want to
00:04:33.140 fundamentally transform things that you like. You wouldn't say that to your spouse. Honey,
00:04:37.600 I love you. I can't wait to fundamentally transform you. Well, now it's a little less subtle. Now,
00:04:42.260 you have Democrats openly cheering on anarchists. You have Democrats refusing to condemn these
00:04:49.000 organized, violent street gangs and anarchists. Actually, part of the reason I'm in D.C. is
00:04:56.180 Senator Cruz and I sat down with the acting secretary of the Department of Homeland Security,
00:04:59.720 Chad Wolf. What a name. And we talked about this, how highly organized it all is, the violence in
00:05:06.060 Portland, the violence in other cities. They won't condemn it on the left. And if they won't condemn it,
00:05:11.760 I think the only reasonable conclusion we can draw is that Antifa, these violent, organized
00:05:17.080 thugs are the militant wing of the Democratic Party. Just as in the 19th century, the Klan was
00:05:23.740 the militant wing of the Democratic Party. I'm not saying they were synonymous, but there was a lot
00:05:27.720 of overlap there, and the Klan did things that the organized official Democratic Party could not.
00:05:32.860 I think we have to say the same thing today about Antifa, because the Democrats know that Antifa
00:05:37.760 exists. They deny that Antifa exists. Jerry Nadler, very prominent Democratic congressman,
00:05:42.440 says, oh, that's just propaganda. There's no such thing as Antifa. Maisie Hirono refuses to condemn
00:05:48.880 Antifa. At this hearing on the violence in the streets, none of the Democrats on the panel would
00:05:53.820 condemn Antifa. What's so hard about it? They harangue us all the time to say Black Lives Matter,
00:05:59.160 which is an obvious statement that everyone believes, because they want us to ally with an
00:06:04.020 openly Marxist group. And frankly, we do it. You know, we do it when we utter that phrase. But the
00:06:09.580 Democrats, for their part, won't condemn Antifa. Beyond that, they are now openly attacking the
00:06:16.780 flag. This started with Colin Kaepernick. Now it is widespread. Now it's everywhere. You've got
00:06:22.640 members of the House of Representatives taking a knee as a symbol of disrespect to the American flag,
00:06:28.240 which is a symbol of our country. And by the way, this is a culmination of the progressive project.
00:06:33.160 I don't think that this is some outrageous, outlandish kind of slander or extreme rhetoric to
00:06:40.260 say that Democrats don't like our country very much. This has been the case for a hundred years,
00:06:44.960 because the premise of the progressive project is that the country was really bad and we're about to
00:06:51.040 make it much better. It's the opposite of the conservative project, which says that our country
00:06:56.240 actually was pretty good. And we're actually the ones who have been kind of messing it up a little
00:07:00.600 bit, but we do want to live up to our highest ideals. We've been talking all week about the
00:07:06.640 baseline differences between progressives and conservatives. One of those is pretty simple.
00:07:13.360 Progressives think that things naturally get better. Conservatives think that things naturally decay.
00:07:22.760 That's a big difference. Progressives think because of the laws of evolution. And they use these terms
00:07:28.160 explicitly when they talk about Charles Darwin, for instance, in the writing of Woodrow Wilson.
00:07:32.320 They think that the order of nature is for things to improve. But conservatives know that the order
00:07:38.080 of nature is things for decay. How can we figure out which one is right? Well, I'll give you a good
00:07:42.100 example. Head on out, just go out into the middle of the field somewhere and put up a big white picket
00:07:47.760 fence and then leave that white picket fence there for two months or two years or two decades. I don't know.
00:07:54.980 Come back. Is the fence going to look nicer or is it going to look dingier, dirtier, decay, fall apart?
00:08:02.580 Obviously the latter. Leave a 25-year-old Hollywood model. Look at a 25-year-old Hollywood model and then 1.00
00:08:11.640 two decades later, look at that same model. Have things gotten better? Have things gotten worse?
00:08:16.000 With plastic surgery in LA, who knows? But probably the order is decay. We all know that that is the
00:08:22.380 natural order. But the Democrats, the progressives won't believe that. They think things are getting
00:08:26.680 better. And so as things don't get better, as things remain basically the same, they have to
00:08:31.260 denigrate the past. And that's what they're doing. This is true at even the most moderate levels of
00:08:37.040 the Democratic Party. You just saw yesterday that the Revolutionary Communist Party has endorsed Joe
00:08:44.760 Biden. Now the Revolutionary Communist Party, it sounds like some kind of imaginary thing from a
00:08:50.060 conservative fever dream. It's real. I actually went and I covered one of their rallies not that
00:08:55.760 long ago. And they had a rally in Los Angeles. I showed up. They said, America's terrible. We've got
00:09:01.100 to defund the police. We've got to tear down this building. The rally was right outside of a police
00:09:05.440 station. And then they said, we've got something really special. And they burned an American flag.
00:09:09.540 They desecrated the flag. And I thought, oh my gosh, this is so shocking. Well, guess what?
00:09:13.800 That's now the mainstream of the Democratic Party. The things that they were saying at the
00:09:18.460 Revolutionary Communist Party rally are now in the mainstream of the Democratic Party. No wonder
00:09:22.880 that Bob Avakian, the leader of the Revolutionary Communist Party, is endorsing Biden. He said this,
00:09:28.640 it was a tepid endorsement, but it was an endorsement nonetheless. Biden is not better than Trump in any
00:09:32.740 meaningful way, except that he is not Trump and is not part of the move to consolidate and enforce
00:09:37.280 fascist rule with everything that means. Another person endorsing Biden, Angela Davis, a communist
00:09:43.260 terrorist, Angela Davis, who is not on the fringe of the left. She is welcome in the left. She is
00:09:50.000 embraced by the left. She said the same thing. I don't love Joe Biden. I don't think he's a
00:09:54.280 communist, but he'll be easy to manipulate. And that's what we'll do. Consider the double standard
00:09:59.040 here between the Democrats and the Republicans. Every time some fringe wacko who has ever been a 0.97
00:10:07.220 Republican or a Democrat for that matter, who has ever said anything nice about Trump, 1.00
00:10:10.540 Trump, but let's say he's a racist or a bigot or a terrible person. Donald Trump is asked, 0.96
00:10:16.000 all of us are asked, ad nauseum, do you condemn? Do you disavow? Will you condemn and disavow?
00:10:21.360 And conservatives say, yeah, sure. David Duke, great example, right? How many times was Trump
00:10:25.040 asked, do you condemn David Duke? He's asked this dozens and dozens of times. One time he actually
00:10:30.260 joked, he said, how many times do I have to condemn David Duke? Who cares about David Duke?
00:10:34.020 David Duke's not a thing. No, he has no influence whatsoever, but sure, I condemn David Duke.
00:10:38.340 Well, what happens when the Democrats are asked to condemn the revolutionary communist party
00:10:43.460 or an open communist like Angela Davis? One, they're not asked the question. Two,
00:10:48.640 they won't do it. The Biden campaign has said, we welcome anyone's support who will support our
00:10:54.260 campaign and oppose Trump. I think what we need to do, we're always playing defense as conservatives.
00:10:59.560 Maybe there's something about being a conservative that makes you want to kind of be more passive and
00:11:04.360 be on the defense. We've got to go on the offense in the same way the left does. Constantly ask them,
00:11:08.900 do you condemn the revolutionary communist party? Do you condemn Angela Davis? Do you condemn the three
00:11:13.540 founders of Black Lives Matter who call themselves open markets? Do you disavow? Do you condemn? Do you
00:11:18.240 disavow? See what they say to it because they won't do it. If they can't condemn Antifa, which is killing
00:11:23.660 people in the streets, attacking people, burning down the country, how could they do that?
00:11:27.680 What does this mean for the election in November? What do these endorsements mean? Well, it means
00:11:35.540 that the Trump campaign in terms of the ground game is doing better than Democrats. You wouldn't
00:11:39.940 know that from the mainstream media. The mainstream media are trying to tell you that Biden's poll
00:11:44.940 numbers are doing great. He would win in a landslide if the election were held tomorrow.
00:11:49.440 Well, Biden's poll numbers have been sliding, but that's not even the question. Right now,
00:11:53.060 we're still 90 days out from the election. The polls don't mean anything. Unfortunately,
00:11:57.780 with national mail-in voting, the polls might mean something because people are going to start
00:12:01.940 voting much earlier than election day at huge numbers. I think that's partly the reason why
00:12:07.180 the Biden campaign is trying to push off the debates and why they're trying to push up the
00:12:11.100 time frame on which people can send in these mail-in ballots is because the more you see of Joe Biden,
00:12:15.780 the worse his numbers get, the more decay you see in that campaign. But just look at the ground
00:12:20.300 game. So far, the Trump camp has registered 100,000 new voters ahead of the election.
00:12:26.880 That's more than the Democrats. And actually, since the 2016 election, Republicans have gained
00:12:31.080 133,000 more registered voters than Dems in Pennsylvania, 216,410 more voters than Dems
00:12:38.680 in North Carolina, and 87,000 more voters than Dems in Florida. This is according to state data
00:12:45.680 that was just reviewed by Axios. Axios is a left-wing outlet. Axios actually has been gunning for the
00:12:52.760 Trump campaign for the past week or so. But those numbers don't lie. Those are important numbers in
00:12:57.280 swing states. So no matter what the news media tell you, this thing that we were talking about
00:13:02.520 yesterday about the silent majority, maybe people who are not lifelong Republicans, people who are not
00:13:07.260 your typical conservative, they're coming out and they're getting turned on to politics. Trump
00:13:13.100 pulled out a whole new range of voters in 2016 that you hadn't heard from since the Reagan Democrats
00:13:19.260 of the 1980s. Well, those people might turn out again. A lot of Trump supporters look different than
00:13:24.820 the media tell us they're supposed to look. In fact, there was a group, I think it was called Blacks
00:13:29.520 for Trump, Black Voters for Donald Trump, marched through Los Angeles just the other day. Take a listen
00:13:35.880 to what they have to say. Those are the black lives that matter. Not what? Nothing? No cover on old 1.00
00:13:41.340 magazine. Kind of 10 month old that died over on Monday, no cover on old magazine. The 11 year old,
00:13:47.160 the five year old in his own, in his own crib. No, no cover on old magazine. Talking about kids who
00:13:51.860 have been killed because of violence in the streets, not from the cops, but violence in the streets. 0.99
00:13:56.760 Those black lives don't matter. Very peaceful. It's not, you don't usually see people wearing 1.00
00:14:08.220 Trump logos in the middle of Los Angeles. And this contradicts the official narrative.
00:14:16.600 You're supposed to say black lives matter. You're not supposed to be holding up signs 1.00
00:14:19.900 that have Trump's logo. And more importantly than that, people are talking about,
00:14:23.680 you know, the color of their skin, or they're talking about the Trump logo they have.
00:14:27.280 But the biggest symbol that they're carrying with them is not the Trump symbol. It's not
00:14:33.380 their identity politics symbol. It's not their skin color. It's the American flag. That's literally 0.64
00:14:39.220 the biggest symbol they've got, right? It dwarfs the other symbols. That's the key here. I think
00:14:44.820 some conservatives believe that you can divvy up the electorate in the same way that Democrats have,
00:14:50.660 using the tactic of identity politics, which is you, you get people in a corner on their skin color,
00:14:56.380 or on their race, or rather, you know, on their nationality, for instance, or on their sex,
00:15:02.540 or on their sexual orientation, or their sexual preferences, or whatever, right? And you just keep
00:15:07.700 divvying these up. You invent whole new identity categories, which the left has done systematically
00:15:11.740 since the 60s. And then you get them to embrace that as their primary identity, and then they'll win.
00:15:16.800 And some conservatives think, okay, well, if we just do that, but we get those groups to flip for
00:15:20.880 conservatives and Republicans, then we can win. But that's not how it works. The moment that you
00:15:26.240 divvy up the electorate that way, and you make some secondary feature people's primary identity,
00:15:32.120 they're already in for the left. That is the tactic of the left. The tactic of the left is division.
00:15:37.080 The tactic is dissolution. The tactic is turning one against the unity of one's country
00:15:43.360 to fundamentally transform society. So the way that conservatives can do it
00:15:47.340 is by uniting people, bringing them and giving them a vision of the common good. That's what Trump
00:15:53.440 did. That was Trump's appeal in 2016. He said, we all bleed the same blood of patriots. Not black
00:16:01.480 people should vote for me, but should consider themselves primarily black people. No, he said,
00:16:07.040 consider yourselves Americans. We're all Americans. It's that uniting message that is going to bring
00:16:12.280 people together. The key here is not, not a blacks for Trump sign. The key is the American flag. The
00:16:17.040 left turns against the American flag. The right must embrace it. That's a choice. And it's a choice
00:16:21.060 that's going to win out if they can make that pitch through November. You know, Condoleezza Rice made this 0.93
00:16:26.140 point just the other day. Condoleezza Rice was doing an interview. She, you know, is probably the most
00:16:33.120 establishment Republican that you can get and obviously served in the Bush administration. But, but even she 1.00
00:16:39.220 was pointing out this issue of identity politics. And she said, we need to get to a point not where
00:16:45.920 we're denying the black experience, not where we're, you know, minimizing the role of Jim Crow or
00:16:51.540 slavery, but at least where we don't tell black people what to think. I'm someone who believes very
00:16:58.860 much that we were, we had a birth defect at founding. Slavery was a birth defect and it still has an
00:17:05.340 impact. Uh, when I hear people say, oh, I want us to be colorblind. No, I actually don't think we're
00:17:10.740 ever going to be. I don't really care if we're colorblind, but I would like to get to the place
00:17:15.360 that when you see somebody who is black, you don't have preconceived notions of what they're capable of,
00:17:21.620 who they are. Of, of what they're capable of, of who they are. And she goes on to say of what they
00:17:28.640 think, you know, the, the Joe Biden example where he says, if you don't, if you don't know whether
00:17:33.940 you're going to vote for me or Trump, then you ain't black, right? That's what, uh, the woman, 1.00
00:17:38.840 Hannah Jones, who's behind the 1619 project. She said, well, there's a difference between being
00:17:42.740 racially black and politically black. Meaning if you're a black person and you're authentically black,
00:17:47.060 then you have to vote for Democrats. And kind of Lisa Rice is saying that's terrible.
00:17:52.500 Donald Trump is saying that's terrible too. But this politics of identity didn't happen by accident.
00:17:59.040 There's a great book just came out from the heritage foundation scholar, Mike Gonzalez.
00:18:03.960 It's called the plot to change America. You know, actually I've got a copy of it right here.
00:18:08.340 The plot to change America, how identity politics is dividing the land of the free. I, I hosted with Mike
00:18:13.660 a, uh, a Q and a, and a discussion for the heritage foundation. I think you can find that link
00:18:18.540 online. I thought it was a great discussion. Mike is a very interesting guy. And what he plots out in
00:18:22.960 the book is how left-wingers, very radical left-wingers, open Marxists for the last 60 years or so have
00:18:32.760 plotted with major institutions such as the Ford foundation with the federal bureaucracy to not just
00:18:39.400 recognize a grassroots movement of people who are embracing their ethnic or their racial identity,
00:18:46.520 but actually left-wingers who contrived those racial identities so that they could divvy up the
00:18:53.620 electorate and move the country to the left. Great example of this was Jorge Ramos. Jorge Ramos,
00:18:58.360 who is the journalist, he's the reporter for Univision, even though he's really a left-wing
00:19:03.340 activist who that that's his role as a journalist. Uh, he had an interview yesterday with Spain's El
00:19:09.300 PaĂ­s Semanal. And he was asked this question, do you hope to see a Latino president? What does Jorge
00:19:16.700 say? Of course, not just to see one, but I hope I'm able to cover one as a journalist. There are more
00:19:22.340 Latinos than African-Americans. They've already had one. The next giant step would be to see a Latina 0.99
00:19:29.120 in the White House. Now there's a lot buried in this, this one answer. Obviously the interview
00:19:35.320 goes on and delves the project for it, but just that one answer says one, of course I want a Latino 0.97
00:19:41.660 president. And why, why does he think it's time for a Latino president? Well, black people had one. 0.94
00:19:46.840 And so we should have one that the, the implication here being that the Latino experience in America
00:19:53.440 is analogous to the black experience, but that's actually not true. It was the theory behind the
00:20:00.140 creation of identity politics, but it isn't true. The theory behind the creation of identity politics,
00:20:05.760 which began in earnest in the sixties and seventies and was undertaken by social scientists in particular,
00:20:10.420 the Ford foundation is that you can analogize the experience of Mexican people and South American
00:20:17.460 people and Asian people and women and homosexuals and, and every other kind of group. You can
00:20:26.420 analogize those experiences to the black experience. We're finally seeing a little pushback on that
00:20:31.580 because that simply isn't the case. I mean, there's a fundamental distinction here, right?
00:20:34.900 Which is that for most black people in America, their ancestors were brought over on slave ships.
00:20:40.380 They did not choose to come. Whereas for every other group, their ancestors did choose to come
00:20:46.640 to America. Just that difference alone creates incomparable, uh, an incomparable racial situation
00:20:56.000 in the United States to say nothing then of Jim Crow and the, the legacy of slavery, as we call it.
00:21:02.200 Even the group, the Latino group is a creation of the 1960s and seventies when social scientists in 0.96
00:21:08.220 particular, the Ford foundation decided to try to push this racial identity, a homogenized group
00:21:12.980 identity for Mexicans and South Americans and even people over in Spain or people in the Caribbean
00:21:18.560 even and call them Hispanic initially, or then Latino. This, this identity group was rejected by
00:21:25.940 most Hispanics or Latinos. They didn't identify that way. Primarily Mexican Americans did not identify
00:21:31.880 as Hispanic. They, and even today you still see that quarter of Hispanics or Latinos would identify
00:21:38.340 primarily in that way. Other ways they would identify is from their nationality, either of origin
00:21:44.660 or of immigration, identify as Americans. Another example, Arabs, Arab Americans during the Obama
00:21:51.780 administration. They tried to make a new identity group called MENA, Middle East and North Africa,
00:21:57.900 MENA. Thankfully it didn't catch on, but the experience of Arabs in America is they've always been 0.99
00:22:03.220 considered white. You look at someone like, uh, I don't know, someone, someone who's in the MENA
00:22:07.160 category would be like Mitch Daniels, former governor of Indiana, blue eyed, you know, he's now the
00:22:13.000 president of Purdue. Does he, does he consider himself an aggrieved racial minority? No, of course not.
00:22:18.080 Steve jobs. Was he a, a, an aggrieved racial minority? No, of course not. Raises another question. 0.94
00:22:25.120 We're told all the time that white privilege exists, but if white privilege exists,
00:22:29.860 why is there a group of people seeking to deny their white designation and create a new identity
00:22:36.200 politics group? Linda Sarsour, one of the most prominent left-wing, uh, Islamic people in the
00:22:42.740 country. She famously started wearing her hijab in her activism because she said, quote, without the 0.99
00:22:50.180 hijab, I'm just another white woman. She sees that this alleged privilege is actually a disadvantage. 0.99
00:22:56.780 That is a contrivance. This whole identity politics thing is a contrivance. Trump needs to run on the
00:23:05.380 flag. He's got to run actively against this. He, and he, and he has been doing that for some time,
00:23:09.820 but that's the message. If he runs on the campaign, if he, if he runs on the flag as his campaign,
00:23:15.420 the only way he will lose is if Democrats shut down the country or try to steal the election in the
00:23:20.620 mail. Unfortunately, they are trying to do both. There was an amazing press briefing yesterday
00:23:25.360 with Kayleigh McEnany, who makes our national heart go pitter patter. Kayleigh McEnany is there
00:23:30.180 answering reporters questions. And some of the questions don't really seem like questions. Some
00:23:34.500 of the questions seem like activism, like they were trying to push her to do something. And what were
00:23:39.020 the reporters trying to push her to do, trying to push the president to do? They were trying to get
00:23:43.680 them to shut down, not just some areas or a hotspot with the virus, trying to get them to shut down
00:23:52.140 the entire country. This president's hard at work and he'll continue to work hard.
00:23:56.960 You're doing everything that you can possibly do when there are still waits for getting test results
00:24:02.860 back, when you have declined to impose a national mask mandate, when you're saying that you won't
00:24:07.800 shut down the entire country again. The president of the Minneapolis Federal Reserve, he said two days
00:24:14.920 ago that he believed that the only way to have a real strong, robust economic recovery would be to shut
00:24:21.760 the country down again for a month to six weeks. I know that this idea of short-term pain for long-term
00:24:29.680 gain has been shot down before by President Trump, but has it been given any more consideration given the
00:24:37.600 recent floods across the country? 0.99
00:24:39.060 These parasites are unbelievable. These left-wing journalists. Hey, so could you please, when, 1.00
00:24:46.660 I mean, we should, I, I, look, I'm not advocating one point or another, but we're going to shut down
00:24:51.080 the country, right? Look, there's short-term pain for long-term gain. Do we have any reason to believe
00:24:57.380 a complete shutdown of our country would give us any long-term gain? Some establishment liberals told
00:25:04.060 us that that's the case to shut down until the election, but do we have any evidence that that's
00:25:09.300 true? Remember they told us 15 days to slow the spread? I think they told us that about 15 years
00:25:14.080 ago. They did, they did tell us, but I think it was about 140 days ago. I don't think that led to
00:25:20.120 long-term gain. In fact, I think the lockdown has caused much, much, much more damage to people's lives,
00:25:26.900 to the country as a whole than the coronavirus has so far. So do we have any evidence of what they're
00:25:33.380 saying? No, of course not. They just want to shut down the country. So there's not even a glimmer of
00:25:38.520 an economic recovery. So people are kept out of work. So people kept frustrated and angry so that
00:25:43.360 Trump gets blamed for it. You know, the whole premise has been from the left, just shut down
00:25:51.060 for 15 days. It'll be, it'll be painful, but then it'll all be so much better. And conservatives get
00:25:56.380 fooled by it. But what happens? You shut down for 15 days and it doesn't make it easier to reopen.
00:26:00.980 It makes it easier to remain shut down for months, which is what happened. Same thing with the masks.
00:26:05.620 Just wear the masks and that'll make it easier to reopen society. Let me ask you something. As the
00:26:11.140 masks have become more common, has that led us to progressively reopen society? No, it's led us
00:26:17.580 progressively to shut it down even more. And now they say, let's just shut down the country for,
00:26:22.300 it'll be really quick. It'll be like four weeks and then we'll reopen. It'll be, we'll go like
00:26:25.860 gangbusters. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times,
00:26:30.220 what are we even doing? Shame on the whole country if they fool us that many times.
00:26:36.280 They're doing it to cheat the election. And at the same time, when they say shut down,
00:26:42.680 that is the pretext to have national mail-in voting. Even though in, in, in fleeting moments
00:26:49.400 of honesty, the left-wing news media have admitted the mail-in ballots don't work. We'll get to that in
00:26:54.440 one second. We'll get to Nancy Pelosi's novel coronavirus cure. It seems that Nancy thinks 0.97
00:27:01.640 that puffing on the old Peruvian parsley is going to help you, it's going to help you recover from
00:27:07.140 coronavirus. You're not allowed to talk about hydroxychloroquine, but if you're, if you're
00:27:11.020 talking about that old, those old jazz cigarettes, you know, that old hippie oregano, then apparently
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00:28:30.140 We've got breaking news. One of the mainstream media networks has been honest for a change and they
00:28:37.340 admitted in a very rare moment, they admitted that the mail-in ballots are not working. Listen to the
00:28:45.000 report. Tonight, six weeks after the New York Democratic primary congressional candidate Siraj
00:28:51.760 Patel doesn't know if he won or lost because election officials have yet to announce a winner.
00:28:58.820 It was just a complete mess of a system. The reason? Ten times more New Yorkers, 0.99
00:29:04.180 a whopping 1.8 million requested absentee ballots than did four years ago. Experts tell NBC News New
00:29:12.200 York election officials were woefully unprepared. Governor Andrew Cuomo had tried to make the
00:29:18.540 process easier by sending postage paid envelopes with all requested ballots. But that ended up
00:29:24.900 backfiring because to be counted, ballots need to be postmarked with a date, something the post office
00:29:31.880 doesn't usually do for prepaid metered mail. So those ballots, thousands of them, were not counted.
00:29:41.300 Thousands of ballots not counted. And that's not a dummy experiment. Those are real ballots that were
00:29:46.400 not counted. You saw the experiment, though, from that local news affiliate in Philly. They mailed out
00:29:52.060 100 fake ballots to a P.O. box and they got a couple birthday cards. So I don't know, I don't know what
00:29:57.540 happened to some of the other mail. They got some mail that they weren't supposed to get. A lot of
00:30:02.200 it lagged behind by four days, even over a week. And then three of the 100 ballots gone permanently.
00:30:09.780 They just didn't get them. Well, three out of 100 is 3%. 80 to 100 million people expected to vote by
00:30:16.020 mail in November. It's a lot of votes. Do you think 3% could swing an election? Of course it could.
00:30:21.960 Are we really willing to stake our election, the integrity of our elections, on a system that we
00:30:29.360 now know doesn't work? We know it doesn't work in theory, by experiments. We know that it doesn't
00:30:34.800 work in the actual practice of voting for real candidates. But that's what the left is pushing
00:30:40.020 for. It's also going to create this problem where on election night, you're not going to know who won.
00:30:45.100 Because usually the absentee ballots, you know, people who are too frail or elderly to leave,
00:30:49.840 or people who are traveling or who are abroad, they send in their absentee ballots. But the
00:30:54.200 elections are so rarely close enough that the absentee ballots really matter, that they just
00:30:58.560 don't get counted. Or by the time they get counted, the winner has already been announced. Well, that
00:31:03.100 won't be the case if 80 to 100 million people are voting by mail. In addition to all the other
00:31:08.040 problems that creates, we're not going to know on election night who won, which is what the left
00:31:12.200 wants. Because it's kind of a win either way for them. Either they can cheat it at the mail-in ballots,
00:31:17.840 or they can create this scene of President Trump, the fascist, refusing to concede the election. 0.92
00:31:25.680 Never mind that. When does the left actually conceded an election on election night? Hillary 1.00
00:31:30.480 Clinton didn't do it in 2016. Al Gore famously didn't do it for a very long time after the 2000
00:31:35.420 election. So that's the scene they're going to create. Either way, they win because it will
00:31:40.820 fulfill the image that they are now concocting. Or they can just outright steal it. It's a real
00:31:47.440 double standard going on here. It's a tough situation they've backed us into. The one thing
00:31:52.720 we know, though, is the arguments they're making on the surface are not to be believed. They are
00:31:58.300 disingenuous arguments. They don't have the best interests of the voters. They don't have the best
00:32:03.140 interests of our country at heart. And you see this every so often. You see the obvious hypocrisy.
00:32:07.960 For instance, when the left says you can't go to church, you're not allowed to leave your home,
00:32:12.040 but you are allowed to go and protest for BLM. You're not allowed to go to your grandma's funeral,
00:32:17.280 but we can have 100,000 people go to George Floyd's funeral, or John Lewis's funeral,
00:32:20.720 for that matter. You say, well, what, is the virus that smart, that analytical, that it can decide
00:32:27.500 it's only going to go to the conservative events and infect people? Of course not.
00:32:31.580 Pelosi is making this argument now. So Nancy Pelosi, as the Senate is debating the COVID relief bill,
00:32:37.220 decides to cram in a bunch of handouts for the marijuana industry. And one of the arguments
00:32:43.120 she's making is that marijuana will help you to recover from coronavirus. Take a listen to
00:32:49.980 Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, Cocaine Mitch, tearing it apart.
00:32:55.040 Speaker Pelosi is still agitating for strange new special interest carve-outs for the marijuana
00:33:01.620 industry. And even claiming they are COVID-related. She said that with respect to this virus,
00:33:09.500 marijuana is, quote, a therapy that has proven successful. You can't make this up.
00:33:15.720 I hope she shared her breakthrough with Dr. Fauci.
00:33:20.200 Hello, Dr. Fauci. Yes, it's Nancy. I just want to let you know,
00:33:23.520 I've got the solution. I've got the cure. Now, meanwhile, the leftist is telling doctors,
00:33:32.120 physicians, epidemiologists, virologists, that if they talk about their own personal experience
00:33:39.980 with hydroxychloroquine over the past several years, or decades even, that is dangerous medical
00:33:48.000 misinformation. When doctors say that it's worked on their patients, that has to be banned from social
00:33:52.680 media. And if anyone does post it to social media, their accounts will be banned from social media.
00:33:58.960 You're allowed to say that, but Nancy Pelosi is allowed to say that marijuana cures coronavirus. 1.00
00:34:04.920 That's, which obviously is not true, but even if it were true, an outrageous double standard.
00:34:10.660 It would seem to me the left does not want this thing to get better. I know in the olden days,
00:34:17.280 when the left pretended that they loved America and loved our country, and they were, they were the
00:34:21.280 true patriots. We were not allowed to question the patriotism of the left. But I think since they've
00:34:27.660 uniformly started cheering desecration of the American flag, we're finally allowed to question
00:34:32.240 it. Well, the same thing goes with this lockdown. This lockdown is killing people. The lockdown is
00:34:38.640 killing people through, through just destroying livelihoods, first of all, through what we are seeing
00:34:45.420 as increasing rates of not just suicide, but violence in the streets and through drug addiction
00:34:53.140 and through all of the pathologies that accompany 50 million people being thrown out of work.
00:34:58.940 The Democrats don't care. They're willing to take that hit on the country. One, because it's not going
00:35:05.200 to really affect them, but two, because they think it'll help them win in November. Even Bill Maher,
00:35:09.100 who's a kind of moderate left winger, moderate liberal, he said this months ago. He said, yeah,
00:35:13.700 I think we should have a recession. He was, he was condemned for it. He was criticized for it in
00:35:17.440 public because they said, you know, you don't want to ruin people's lives just to win an election.
00:35:21.360 And he said, yeah, no, I do. I think it would be better for people to have that short-term pain,
00:35:27.180 you know, of, of getting thrown out of their jobs for the long-term gain of getting rid of Donald
00:35:31.980 Trump. And now we're even seeing this on hydroxychloroquine, right? You've got very respected doctors,
00:35:38.020 that Yale epidemiologist in Newsweek, that group of doctors that gave the press conference in
00:35:42.160 Washington saying that there's a lot of evidence that hydroxychloroquine helps.
00:35:47.060 Well, if hydroxychloroquine works, if that Yale epidemiologist is right, and we've got,
00:35:51.100 we've got the cure, we've got the treatment, then we could just give it to people and reopen the
00:35:54.980 country, right? They can't have that. They don't want us to reopen the country. Even some schools
00:35:59.160 now that are setting dates, school systems that are setting dates to reopen are saying that they'll
00:36:04.000 reopen on November 6th. They'll reopen the first week after the election. They're not even
00:36:09.880 trying to hide it anymore. And in the midst of all of this, in the midst of this pressure,
00:36:14.660 the Trump campaign, which is doing a lot better these days, they're still, they still don't see
00:36:19.420 what's going on. They're still making some missteps. The, the clearest example of this was a fundraising
00:36:24.620 letter from the Trump campaign that just came out yesterday. The letter says, friend, I know how
00:36:31.140 difficult the past few months has been, you know, blah, blah, blah, give me money, please, please,
00:36:35.820 you know, that's the implication at least. But the explicit message is I'm writing to you now not to
00:36:42.420 ask for a contribution, but to ask for your help. We're all in this together. And while I know there's
00:36:46.660 been some confusion surrounding the usage of face masks, I think it's something we should all try to
00:36:51.460 do when we are not able to socially distance from others. I don't love wearing the masks either.
00:36:56.760 Masks may be good. They may be just okay, or they may be great. They can possibly help us get back to
00:37:04.180 our American way of life that so many of us have rightly cherished before we were terribly impacted
00:37:08.780 by the China virus. My feeling is we have nothing to lose and possibly everything to gain. So put on
00:37:13.680 the mask. I don't know who, I don't think Trump wrote this email himself. I don't know who authorized
00:37:18.860 it. It's a bad idea. It's a bad idea. I'm not even telling you this. If you want to wear a mask,
00:37:24.200 fine, go ahead and wear the mask. I don't really care. I don't think Trump needs to send out the
00:37:28.380 opposite email, which is don't you ever wear masks. Masks are terrible. I think he shouldn't take the bait.
00:37:33.400 I think he shouldn't take the premise because his ideas, the masks may be good or great or
00:37:37.760 wonderful. Now there's another option. They can be harmful to our culture and to our politics
00:37:44.140 because the premise here is the masks will help us reopen. And I think we've seen they won't.
00:37:49.680 They will be used as evidence, as a symbol that we are not yet ready to reopen and that we need to
00:37:55.480 remain closed because the masks, rather than make people feel safer, actually make them more nervous.
00:38:00.560 They make them look at their fellow citizens as walking piles of germs. They are, they are an
00:38:05.440 evidence, a buttress for this idea that we've all got to lock down because this is super duper serious.
00:38:10.140 We've never seen anything like this before, even though the coronavirus pandemic is less deadly than
00:38:14.900 pandemics we've seen in the last century where we didn't lock down the economy. This is a fundamentally
00:38:21.340 political difference, not a medical or scientific difference. And the Trump campaign,
00:38:26.820 I don't know why, but they're buying into that, that left wing symbol and that left wing premise. Not a good
00:38:32.900 idea. They're doing it again with the RNC, with the Republican National Convention. First, the convention
00:38:39.240 was going to be in Charlotte. Then, then North Carolina shut that down. Then it was going to be in Florida
00:38:42.940 for whatever reason, they shut that down. Now it looks like there's not going to be much of a convention. And,
00:38:48.220 and President Trump seems that he's going to accept his party's nomination as the 2020 nominee
00:38:53.040 in private or in a little speech from the white house or something like that. Another big mistake.
00:38:58.900 I get it. It's very hard. There are lots of restrictions and people are afraid of the
00:39:02.580 messaging here. The Trump campaign messaging cannot be to take the Democrat bait, to be on defense,
00:39:08.120 to acknowledge that it was wrong about the man. It wasn't wrong about the masks. It wasn't wrong about
00:39:12.940 the country. The only way it was wrong about the country is that they, they bought into the lie that
00:39:16.900 we had to shut it down and that we should still be shutting it down. You've got to run against the
00:39:21.020 shutdown. The shutdown is the Democrats campaign. It's how they want to steal the election through 0.60
00:39:25.320 the mail-in voting. It's how they want to suppress your vote. It's how they want to keep a lid on this
00:39:32.880 economy. They're, they're open about it at this point. You've got to run against the shutdown and yet
00:39:37.440 the Trump campaign won't do it. You know, the, the Trump campaign, when it's just Trump, he seems to
00:39:43.900 have great instincts here, but they, they keep on, they keep on making the misstep of allowing the left
00:39:51.820 to dictate the terms of the debate. Nowhere did you see this more clearly than in an interview he
00:39:57.000 just did. Some clips of it had been released with Jonathan Swan, a very sharp interviewer who was
00:40:02.960 interviewing with Axios on HBO. Just take a listen to a dispute they get in over the COVID numbers.
00:40:08.960 Take a look at some of these charts. I'd love to. We're going to look. Let's look. And if you look
00:40:14.840 at death. Yeah. Started to go up again. Well, right here, the United States is lowest in numerous
00:40:25.560 categories. We're lower than the world. Lower than the world? Lower than Europe? In what? In what?
00:40:33.220 Take a look. Right here. Here's case death. Oh, you're doing death as a proportion of cases. I'm
00:40:41.180 talking about death as a proportion of population. That's where the U.S. is really bad. Much worse
00:40:46.000 than South Korea, Germany, et cetera. You can't, you can't do that. You have to go by, you have to go by
00:40:52.700 where, look, here is the United States. You have to go by the cases, the cases. Why not as a proportion
00:40:58.220 population? When you have somebody, what it says is when you have somebody that has, where there's
00:41:03.200 a case, the people that live from those cases. It's surely a relevant statistic to say if the U.S.
00:41:09.540 has X population and X percentage of death of that population versus South Korea. No, because you have 0.98
00:41:14.420 to go by the cases. So what we're, what we're listening to in this debate is not a debate over
00:41:20.140 science. It's a debate over narrative, right? What, what President Trump wants is to talk about
00:41:25.240 the death rate by cases, by people who have tested positive for the virus and what percentage of them
00:41:32.740 are dying, which is a very relevant statistic. What Jonathan Swan wants to talk about is death
00:41:37.740 rate as a percentage of the whole U.S. population. And then he's comparing the U.S. population to South
00:41:42.440 Korea, for instance. And the, the obvious answer here is the populations are not comparable. Our
00:41:47.040 political traditions are not comparable. Our geography is not comparable. Our political system, not,
00:41:51.360 not comparable. And, and so there, there is just going to be a progression of the virus in America.
00:41:57.460 Even Dr. Fauci told us we're not going to get herd immunity, even with a vaccine. So the virus is
00:42:03.260 going to spread and you've just got to deal with how you can keep the deaths as a percentage of cases
00:42:08.720 down. That's the point President Trump was making, though I think in the heat of the interview,
00:42:14.420 he, he wasn't quite making the argument as quickly or concisely as he should.
00:42:17.780 Then you have Jonathan Swan saying, yeah, but okay, that number makes you look good. So I want
00:42:22.220 to use the number that makes you look bad. It's a fight over the narrative and it, and it raises
00:42:26.160 this question. One, why is, why is the president even putting himself in a situation where the left
00:42:32.280 can dictate the narrative? Why is President Trump doing an interview with Axios on, on HBO? Not exactly
00:42:37.760 a friendly outlet. Frankly, Chris Wallace on Fox News is not a friendly outlet. So why is he putting
00:42:43.100 himself in that situation? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I'll give you probably the most extreme
00:42:51.480 example of this. There was a big debate that broke out on Twitter the other day. The debate was over
00:42:56.640 whether two plus two equals four or two plus two equals five. I'm not joking. This was a, this was
00:43:02.040 trending for the day. People were actually arguing and the left was arguing that two plus two can equal
00:43:07.620 five, which is exactly what the totalitarian regime in George Orwell's 1984 says. They say two plus two
00:43:14.440 equals five. And they, they force the protagonist, Winston Smith to acknowledge not even just the two
00:43:20.500 plus two equals five, but the two plus two equals whatever the party says it is. And this all began
00:43:24.380 because a, a, a meme maker posted on, on Twitter. He says, woke, woke minis, two plus two equals four,
00:43:30.720 a perspective in white Western mathematics that marginalizes other possible values. It's just a joke
00:43:36.000 because left-wingers have been saying that objective reason and hard work and even mathematics is a
00:43:41.280 Western white concept and people of color should reject that, should reject that idea, right? People 1.00
00:43:47.440 of color, this, this way to analogize through identity politics, the experience of all other people with
00:43:52.760 black people in America, even though obviously, as we discussed earlier, that doesn't make any sense.
00:43:57.240 But then you had people on the left actually defending the idea that two plus two equals five. And
00:44:02.600 without going into the, the tediousness of their silly arguments, they said, look, numbers, they're 0.84
00:44:08.280 just symbols, right? So we can make the symbols mean whatever we want the symbols to mean. If we
00:44:13.180 want, if we want two to really be two and a half, then okay, then two plus two equals five because two
00:44:19.360 is two and a half and two and a half plus two and a half is five. And five can be banana and
00:44:23.420 gibbledy gobbledy goop, right? That the words and the numbers that we're using, they're just symbols and
00:44:27.800 they have no, no relationship to anything real. That's a left-wing point of view. That's a progressive
00:44:32.760 point of view that we are not bound by anything real, including our human nature. We can change
00:44:37.520 anything. We can, we can change lies, damned lies and statistics, right? These numbers don't mean 0.99
00:44:43.840 anything at all. All they have to do is fit our narrative and our narrative is, is whatever we will
00:44:48.940 our narrative to be, right? This, another big difference here between the right and the left,
00:44:53.600 the left believes that they can construct the world based on nothing more than their own
00:44:59.280 unfettered imagination. And the right conservatives know that's not possible. There's something that
00:45:05.640 is enduring. It's called human nature. There's reality, right? The great conservative consolation
00:45:10.140 that reality reasserts itself in the end. This debate over whether two plus two equals four,
00:45:14.320 two plus two equals five, or can equal five, that is at work right now in this campaign. Do we want
00:45:22.000 to maintain anything resembling our, our reality, or do we want to toss it all aside, literally burn the
00:45:29.940 country to the ground, burn our principles to the ground and reconstruct them on the antagonistic
00:45:35.960 imagination of the democratic party? That's working at all levels right now on the left, in the media,
00:45:42.920 in the so-called experts and the social scientists, and all the way up to their presidential nominee,
00:45:48.660 who is endorsed by the most radical anti-American people in the country and whose support he won't
00:45:55.080 disavow. Those are the stakes of the election. We'll see it in November. Will two plus two equal four
00:45:59.300 or will two plus two equal whatever the democratic party tells you it is? Those are high stakes. I
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