The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 597 - Trump-Pence vs. Deep-State

00:00:00.000 The media warned us yesterday. The left told us that Republicans were going to start to attack

00:00:06.140 Kamala Harris in personal, sexist, horrible ways. And, oh, we didn't have to wait very long.

00:00:13.460 The president of the United States, Donald Trump, already digging in to Kamala. Take a listen.

00:00:20.400 Well, she lied. I mean, she said things that were untrue. She is a person that's told many, many stories that weren't true.

00:00:33.280 She's very big into raising taxes. She wants to slash funds for our military at a level that nobody can even believe. 1.00

00:00:40.800 She is against fracking. Fracking is she's against petroleum products. 0.99

00:00:48.780 I mean, how do you do that and go into Pennsylvania or Ohio or Oklahoma or the great state of Texas?

00:00:55.840 She's against fracking. Fracking is a big deal.

00:01:00.960 She's in favor of socialized medicine where you're going to lose your doctors. You're going to lose your plan.

00:01:07.140 She wants to take your health care plans away from 180 million Americans, 180 million Americans that are very happy with their health insurance.

00:01:19.020 And she wants to take that away. So she was my number one pick.

00:01:24.840 So she was my number one pick. I love her. I'm rooting for her, says President Trump.

00:01:29.800 Was that sexist? Was that personal? No, it wasn't. Not at all.

00:01:32.820 Notice all of the comments were about her policies and her dishonesty. 1.00

00:01:37.960 Now, the left has been going after Trump personally for years.

00:01:40.440 But notice Trump isn't going personally after Kamala.

00:01:44.200 It's not a personal thing. It's about her fitness for the job and her policies. 0.99

00:01:48.720 Why? Well, it's because Trump is a person, right? That's why they go after him personally.

00:01:52.620 And Kamala Harris isn't. She's nothing. She's just a vessel for the administrative state. 1.00

00:01:57.320 She's just a vessel for the liberal establishment. 1.00

00:02:00.000 She doesn't have any deeply held beliefs. She doesn't have any convictions.

00:02:03.380 She's just there. That's what this is about.

00:02:08.160 Trump is going after something bigger than just one person or two people.

00:02:12.940 He's going after a system that is a perversion of American democracy.

00:02:18.060 He's going after the whole media, the administrative government.

00:02:21.540 And that's why they're all gunning for him.

00:02:24.040 That's what this race is going to be about. 0.98

00:02:25.680 It's not Trump-Pence versus Biden-Harris.

00:02:29.520 It's Trump-Pence versus deep state.

00:02:32.840 We'll get into it. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:02:35.380 Welcome back. My favorite YouTube comment yesterday from Ezra.

00:02:47.600 When Harris mentioned being a little girl, Joe immediately knew he would choose her as his VP.

00:02:53.720 That's funny. Do you remember that?

00:02:55.280 That was the big hit that Kamala made on Joe, where she said,

00:02:59.040 When I was a little girl, I was bused to school because of good policies that Joe Biden opposed because he's a racist.

00:03:07.280 Even though now I really like him and I'm so honored to be his running mate.

00:03:10.620 Everyone has been changing their tune on Biden, on Kamala.

00:03:15.220 Because it doesn't matter. It's not about them.

00:03:17.900 It's about this power grab.

00:03:19.740 Obviously, the Trump attacks were not sexist, as we were all warned to brace ourselves with the sexist attacks.

00:03:26.700 The only person who's even coming close to being blamed for a sexist attack is Tucker Carlson.

00:03:32.820 Why? Because Tucker Carlson brought up the inconvenient fact that Kamala Harris began her political career in sort of dodgy, not so nice ways.

00:03:44.740 Take a listen.

00:03:45.220 Harris clearly wasn't picked for her personal charm. 0.97

00:03:48.980 More than 30 years ago, she dated a man called Willie Brown.

00:03:51.560 He was later the mayor of San Francisco.

00:03:53.500 She was 29 years old at the time.

00:03:55.180 Brown was 60 and still married.

00:03:57.300 Brown launched Harris's political career.

00:03:59.140 He knows her very well.

00:04:00.580 Last week, Brown publicly urged Joe Biden not to pick Kamala Harris as his running mate.

00:04:05.760 But it turns out Willie Brown's opinion no longer matters in the Democratic Party.

00:04:09.680 Jeff Bezos's opinion matters.

00:04:11.820 So do the opinions of his fellow Bay Area tech titans.

00:04:15.220 So this you're not allowed to mention, even though Willie Brown, who's a Democratic politician, mentioned this months and months ago.

00:04:21.320 The fact is Kamala Harris dated this much older married man, and then he launched her political career, and now nobody's allowed to talk about that.

00:04:30.580 But is that sexist?

00:04:32.460 That's the line.

00:04:33.500 I mean, that's the sort of attack that the left is calling sexist.

00:04:36.760 What's sexist about that?

00:04:38.740 You could attack a man if a man did the same thing.

00:04:41.360 It would be a little bit stranger situation.

00:04:43.580 But if a man, you know, had a relationship with an older married woman and then she launched his political career, you could bring that up.

00:04:50.340 That wouldn't be called sexist.

00:04:51.460 It's just acknowledged as something that she did.

00:04:54.900 But the reason it's called sexist, and this is a broader point even beyond this race, is because the left is not looking at these politicians as individual statesmen with individual visions and policies and accomplishments.

00:05:08.620 It just looks at them as vessels for itself.

00:05:14.260 That's why the left divvies up the country into, you know, black, Hispanic, Asian American, different sexual groups. 0.98

00:05:22.920 The reason it does that is because it doesn't care about singular vision, singular accomplishment.

00:05:29.240 It's all just about the establishment.

00:05:33.460 It's all just about the vision.

00:05:35.540 It's about the administrative state.

00:05:38.620 It's not individuals that are governing us.

00:05:40.140 It's not politicians who are governing us for the left.

00:05:43.120 It's just this kind of bureaucracy that has no accountability for all.

00:05:46.900 That's been the left-wing project in America, the democratic project in America, since Woodrow Wilson.

00:05:52.180 It's been going on now for over 100 years.

00:05:55.440 So it doesn't really care about Kamala.

00:05:57.980 You're going to hear these, it's sexist, it's racist, whatever.

00:06:00.340 Obviously, it doesn't mean anything.

00:06:01.720 I think importantly here, it's very good that Tucker and Trump, most importantly, is not attacking Harris for being tough on crime.

00:06:09.040 That's one kind of meme that we've been joking about is Kamala's a cop. 0.89

00:06:12.240 She put people in prison and that's bad and that's racist and that's such a weak line of argument. 0.98

00:06:17.360 It's good to put criminals in prison.

00:06:19.660 I'm glad Kamala threw criminals in prison. 0.93

00:06:22.220 It's basically the only thing I like about her.

00:06:24.780 It's good.

00:06:25.140 And conservatives should not take up that left-wing line of argument.

00:06:28.440 That's not going to serve us very well in the end.

00:06:30.780 The left already has enough problems to deal with on Kamala.

00:06:33.700 Go after the things that count.

00:06:34.980 Because it raises this question.

00:06:36.440 If Kamala Harris is this wonderful person, it's historic, it's so much better actually that we've got a black woman on the ticket than this white man.

00:06:45.940 She's the one who gives us hope.

00:06:48.320 Why didn't they nominate her?

00:06:49.720 She ran for president. 0.93

00:06:51.040 Why didn't they pick her if she's so wonderful and she's going to bring all this hope to Joe Biden's campaign? 0.75

00:06:56.200 We'll get to why in a second.

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00:08:43.440 Why didn't the left nominate Kamala? 1.00

00:08:47.240 Nominate.

00:08:47.940 Nominate.

00:08:48.260 Nominate.

00:08:48.800 Why didn't they nominate her?

00:08:50.920 New York Times headline.

00:08:52.920 Kamala Harris is the future.

00:08:55.440 So Mike Pence may well be history.

00:08:58.700 And what they mean by that, I mean, this is classic liberal stuff.

00:09:01.280 It actually is racist and sexist when they say this.

00:09:04.240 Because what they always say is that white guys are the past and all the other races are the future. 0.99

00:09:10.220 And white guys are bad and all the other races are good. 1.00

00:09:13.180 And white guys have privilege and they're terrible and all the other guys are good. 0.99

00:09:16.640 And this is just a classical oppressor-oppressed kind of left-wing narrative. 0.99

00:09:20.700 Same thing on sex.

00:09:22.000 They'll say, women are the future. 1.00

00:09:23.320 You'll actually see t-shirts that say, women are the future, men are the past.

00:09:25.880 What does it mean, women are the future? 1.00

00:09:27.240 Obviously, it means nothing.

00:09:28.540 Because if you don't have men, you're not going to get any future of the species at all.

00:09:33.140 But they just have this view because everything has to be oppressor or oppressed.

00:09:38.340 And then they have this view of history, which is that the past is very bad and the future is very good.

00:09:42.560 And there's a science of history and we know what the future is going to be.

00:09:45.260 That's how the New York Times can make that claim.

00:09:47.080 So you either get on the wrong side of history with white, male, evangelical, straight, Christian.

00:09:51.820 I mean, Mike Pence checks every terrible box for them.

00:09:54.320 Or you get on the right side of history with Kamala Harris, who they do not view as an individual.

00:09:59.240 She is not an individual to them.

00:10:00.640 She is simply an amalgamation of her racial, sexual, physical characteristics. 0.95

00:10:06.260 That's New York Times.

00:10:06.780 She's the future.

00:10:07.500 Okay, if she's the future, why didn't they nominate her?

00:10:10.040 Another headline, Kamala Harris, a political fighter shaped by life in two words.

00:10:16.440 There are a lot of punchlines to that joke, but I don't want to get in trouble.

00:10:18.960 So I won't.

00:10:19.760 I won't say them.

00:10:21.680 And then the final one, New York Times, excited again about a woman on the ticket.

00:10:26.340 Again, you could have picked her to be the nominee. 0.96

00:10:32.760 And was anybody really excited about Hillary Clinton?

00:10:35.460 No.

00:10:35.840 Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine.

00:10:37.340 Oh, my gosh.

00:10:38.080 Talk about a woman on the ticket. 1.00

00:10:39.960 Those two, when they ran, they did not run as individuals.

00:10:46.120 They ran merely as a vessel for the establishment, the liberal establishment.

00:10:49.640 We're getting that again.

00:10:50.520 By the way, was the New York Times excited to have a woman on the ticket in 2008?

00:10:55.800 Sarah Palin?

00:10:56.640 I don't remember that.

00:10:59.000 I don't remember their excitement.

00:11:01.220 Because again, it's not even about a woman, right? 0.69

00:11:03.460 It's just about an empty, empty vessel.

00:11:06.560 The left is doing jumping jacks.

00:11:08.740 They are doing gymnastics.

00:11:09.980 They are bending over backwards and leaping all over the place to try to make sense of

00:11:16.640 their past criticism of these people, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

00:11:20.740 I mean, I'm talking about the radical side of the left.

00:11:22.680 I'm talking about Sean King.

00:11:24.000 Sean King, a very active Black Lives Matter activist.

00:11:28.080 He's on the left of the Democratic Party.

00:11:30.480 Here's what Sean King tweeted out during the Democratic primaries.

00:11:34.760 He says,

00:11:35.100 I'll be frank and tell you two Democrats that I'm 99% sure I won't be supporting.

00:11:39.980 Primarily because of their dismal history on criminal justice reform over the course

00:11:45.020 of their entire careers, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

00:11:50.140 They both helped build and advance mass incarceration.

00:11:55.080 That was during the campaign.

00:11:56.340 Couldn't be clearer, huh?

00:11:58.280 Until Joe Biden gets a nomination, Kamala Harris gets picked as VP.

00:12:02.760 Here is what he says.

00:12:04.520 Without a hint of irony, without any shame, he says,

00:12:09.980 Among current U.S. senators, I would rank Kamala Harris in the top three on justice reform issues. 0.99

00:12:18.080 He previously said he would 99% not vote for her,

00:12:22.320 specifically because of her dismal history on criminal justice reform for her entire career. 0.69

00:12:27.640 Now he says she's in the top three on justice reform issues. 0.50

00:12:30.500 That's it for me.

00:12:31.520 I am incredibly proud to see a brilliant black woman and HBCU grad, historically black college,

00:12:40.340 chosen as a vice presidential nominee.

00:12:42.220 I've done political work my whole life.

00:12:44.140 It's rarely things dreams are made of.

00:12:47.320 Kamala Harris is the most progressive VP nominee in American history.

00:12:51.980 So, at the very top, it's just a clear lie.

00:12:55.540 He says she's one of the worst on criminal justice reform.

00:12:57.680 Now he says she's one of the best on criminal justice reform.

00:13:01.100 But then at the end, look at that.

00:13:02.660 Kamala Harris is the most progressive VP nominee in American history.

00:13:06.600 Now, how can that be the case if he's previously criticizing Joe Biden and Kamala Harris

00:13:12.240 for being among the least progressive in the race?

00:13:15.640 What he said there at the end, she's the most progressive VP nominee in American history.

00:13:19.440 That's true.

00:13:20.900 He's actually, it's not, it's not a lie.

00:13:23.080 I mean, he's obviously a shill and he'll shill for the Democrats regardless.

00:13:26.560 That's embarrassing for him.

00:13:28.140 But what he's saying there is true.

00:13:29.300 And it's not because of her.

00:13:30.920 In another universe, she could be somewhat conservative.

00:13:33.300 She doesn't believe anything.

00:13:34.340 She's just an empty, empty vessel.

00:13:36.420 But because of how much the left has advanced progressively since at least Woodrow Wilson

00:13:42.760 for the last hundred years, she is the most progressive nominee because they're all on

00:13:49.760 the same page.

00:13:50.520 They are marching with the tides of history.

00:13:52.800 They will change their opinions and move them to the left simply by virtue of time.

00:13:56.940 Remember, Joe Biden.

00:13:58.140 When Joe Biden ran in 2008, by today's standards, he would have been very conservative.

00:14:02.300 Same thing in 1990, he would have been very, very conservative.

00:14:04.620 Same thing in 1970s, he would have been very, very, very conservative.

00:14:07.960 But he doesn't believe anything.

00:14:10.080 What is moving to the left is not him.

00:14:11.800 He and Kamala, they're not people.

00:14:14.180 They're not individuals in the political sense.

00:14:17.920 They just go along with the party.

00:14:22.360 They just go along with the progressive movement.

00:14:25.840 So what does that mean?

00:14:27.560 If it's not about Joe and it's not about Kamala, what does it say about the system?

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00:16:24.600 So, it's not about these individuals.

00:16:29.140 It's not about Kamala and Biden.

00:16:30.760 It's about the system.

00:16:31.800 Notice, everything's about Trump.

00:16:33.260 Trump is this unique guy.

00:16:34.740 Trump has this unique personality.

00:16:36.260 Trump has these kind of unique policies, even compared to Republican presidents.

00:16:39.200 So, it's about the system.

00:16:41.680 What is this?

00:16:42.120 The system is the bureaucracy.

00:16:44.360 It is the administrative state.

00:16:45.700 It is the deep state.

00:16:46.640 It is whatever, call it whatever you want.

00:16:48.440 That's where the laws get made.

00:16:50.740 People still don't understand this, even on the right.

00:16:53.380 Your laws are not made in Congress or in the Senate.

00:16:56.500 And they're not, you know, signed into law by the president.

00:17:01.760 Sometimes, occasionally, some change is made there.

00:17:04.640 But very, very little.

00:17:06.800 And usually, especially now with divided government, the House and the Senate and different parties,

00:17:11.360 basically no legislation is going to get done.

00:17:14.340 Your laws are made by bureaucrats who you have not elected, who are not accountable to you,

00:17:20.660 who will do whatever they want.

00:17:22.080 But bureaucrats who, even when the president changes, right,

00:17:26.260 the bureaucrats are part of the executive agency, so the executive should be able to change them, 0.97

00:17:31.020 the executive, the president, whoever gets elected, can barely make a dent into this, okay?

00:17:36.820 The politicians come and go, the bureaucrats remain there, and the bureaucrats pass all of your laws.

00:17:41.700 We are ruled by people who we do not vote for.

00:17:44.740 That is a simple fact.

00:17:47.340 Sometimes, though, if you get the right administration in there, they can try to cut this back.

00:17:51.780 So one way Trump has done this is he said, for every new regulation, we have to cut two.

00:17:55.900 Very simple thing.

00:17:56.900 It's been able to reduce the size and scope of the administrative state at least a little bit.

00:18:00.800 Another thing is not replacing people after these bureaucrats quit through, 0.95

00:18:04.600 you know, as the size is reduced through attrition.

00:18:08.600 That's another good move.

00:18:10.380 He just recently, though, went after a rule.

00:18:12.200 It's the AFFH rule.

00:18:15.260 You know, all of this administrative government.

00:18:17.400 Everything is just letters.

00:18:18.320 You know, CDC, the FDA, AFFH, they always say.

00:18:21.780 What is the AFFH rule?

00:18:23.700 The AFFH rule is Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing.

00:18:27.740 This rule comes from 2015, from the Obama-Biden administration.

00:18:31.580 That's it.

00:18:31.840 Now, the way Republicans, they used to only talk about the Obama administration,

00:18:35.280 but now because Joe Biden is the nominee for the Democrats,

00:18:37.580 it's always the Obama-Biden administration.

00:18:39.020 So, okay.

00:18:39.640 It's the Obama-Biden administration.

00:18:41.520 He passes this rule in 2015.

00:18:43.220 It's part of the Fair Housing Act.

00:18:46.480 What this rule does basically is set up a national system that takes zoning rights away from local areas,

00:18:55.880 in the suburbs in particular, and makes it a national issue.

00:18:59.460 So, bureaucrats at the national stage can now basically take all the power away from these local communities and rezone.

00:19:07.280 And what this was about was shipping in low-income people from the inner cities into nice suburbs.

00:19:14.840 Now, the reason for this, they always make this a matter of race, right?

00:19:21.100 You remember Joe Biden said, look, I think poor kids are just as smart as white kids.

00:19:25.200 That poor and black are synonymous to the Democrats, right? 1.00

00:19:28.380 And rich and white are synonymous to the Democrats.

00:19:30.860 They've never been to parts of Appalachia, for instance, other areas in America.

00:19:34.700 It's not.

00:19:35.900 It's a racist thing to say, but that's how they look at it.

00:19:40.340 And by conflating those two things, by the way, that's how they bully you into accepting these sorts of rules.

00:19:46.180 So, it was a lawless power grab.

00:19:50.200 It took so much power from the local, brought it up to the national.

00:19:54.520 But what's worse, what nobody's talking about is a big key to this rule from 2015

00:20:00.040 was that the Democrats knew they could count statistically on those inner-city votes.

00:20:05.980 So, they wanted to ship those Democratic voters up to the suburbs to turn red or purple districts blue. 0.73

00:20:13.360 This was a huge part behind it. 0.91

00:20:15.780 It was a ridiculous rule. 0.91

00:20:17.560 It was an outrageous power grab.

00:20:18.940 Trump rescinded that, okay?

00:20:21.720 So, he's fighting back against radical social engineering by the Obama administration directing the bureaucrats.

00:20:27.720 That's this power grab, and he pushed back against stealing the elections.

00:20:33.000 That is a very good thing.

00:20:36.260 And he's not going to get a lot of credit for it because it's, you know, it's just one of these orders.

00:20:40.660 It's an executive order, right?

00:20:41.700 It goes to the agencies.

00:20:42.700 And this actually brings up another point.

00:20:44.740 A lot of times, Republicans will criticize a Republican president like Trump for using executive orders.

00:20:52.180 Right?

00:20:52.380 They'll say, no, we need our laws passed by Congress. 0.93

00:20:55.160 An executive order, that's ridiculous.

00:20:57.240 That's not the way our framers intended for laws to be passed.

00:21:00.920 Hey, buddy, if the executive agencies are the actual people writing all of your laws,

00:21:06.160 then the only way you can govern is by executive order.

00:21:10.220 That's not Trump's fault.

00:21:11.760 It's not even Obama's fault.

00:21:13.660 That's just the way the government runs.

00:21:15.260 And I actually want more executive orders because at least it's, first of all,

00:21:18.760 it's an elected person grabbing hold of the administrative state at least a little bit.

00:21:23.140 But it's also an acknowledgment that Congress does not rule us anymore.

00:21:27.040 They should.

00:21:27.760 That's the constitutional system.

00:21:29.440 The legislature should write the laws.

00:21:30.840 But they don't.

00:21:31.900 They really don't.

00:21:32.620 It's just this administrative state.

00:21:34.220 So if we're going to be ruled that way, I at least want the executive to have some control over it.

00:21:39.880 And the way he does that is by signing executive orders.

00:21:42.760 And if you have a problem with that, your problem is not with Trump or with Obama even.

00:21:46.600 Your problem is with reality and the way that the progressives have stolen our government away from us

00:21:51.740 and shredded our Constitution.

00:21:53.240 This is rationalized rule of the elites.

00:21:57.740 And you see it even in language.

00:21:59.140 You see it even in the way that they make the minority groups that they invent refer to themselves,

00:22:03.760 including most recently, Latinx.

00:22:06.300 You can't say Hispanic or Latino.

00:22:07.880 It's Latinx.

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00:23:13.780 Latinx.

00:23:15.040 Latinx.

00:23:15.560 That's the word.

00:23:16.640 That's the word that the white liberals are telling us we have to use.

00:23:19.780 So maybe you've seen this somewhere, especially if you've been in college or high school recently.

00:23:24.400 I don't know.

00:23:24.980 I guess they put the X because they don't like that Latino ends in an O because that's masculine 0.99

00:23:30.120 and male is bad and that's the past and women are the future. 1.00

00:23:33.520 So now it's X.

00:23:34.540 It's gender neutral.

00:23:36.340 They could just use the term Hispanic, but now they're trying to differentiate between the term Hispanic and Latino.

00:23:40.740 Both of which, by the way, are just completely ridiculous jargon invented by the left about 50 years ago.

00:23:46.320 Invented specifically or propagated specifically by the Ford Foundation, other radical left-wing influence groups.

00:23:53.440 So in any case, they took a survey.

00:23:56.900 This came out from the Pew Research Center on Tuesday.

00:24:00.080 They found out that only one in four adults in the United States who identify as Hispanic or Latino have ever even heard the term Latinx.

00:24:11.780 Three quarters of Hispanics have no idea what this ridiculous term Latinx is.

00:24:18.240 And only 3% of Hispanics actually use that term to describe themselves. 0.88

00:24:23.880 97% do not.

00:24:27.260 And yet what you are going to be told now, especially if you're in a university or K-12 for that matter or in corporate America or just about anywhere,

00:24:35.360 you're going to be told that if you don't use this word Latinx, you're a racist. 0.90

00:24:39.480 You're outdated. 0.98

00:24:40.600 You're in the past.

00:24:41.340 If you don't use a word that 97% of the people that word is supposed to describe don't use.

00:24:48.100 If you don't use a word that 75% of people who are supposed to be that word don't even know about, don't even know what it is,

00:24:56.220 then you're a racist.

00:24:58.520 That's what they're going to say.

00:25:00.620 This is not grassroots.

00:25:04.020 We sometimes think of the progressive movement as being grassroots.

00:25:08.000 You know, it springs up from the people crying out for a more progressive.

00:25:10.680 It's not.

00:25:11.880 It's completely contrived. 0.80

00:25:13.500 And it's contrived by mostly white liberals.

00:25:17.860 And it's been enforced mostly by the white liberal establishment.

00:25:21.540 And it just marches onward.

00:25:24.320 And we've all got to catch up because it's got so much power.

00:25:29.820 The one consolation, though, you know we talk about the conservative consolation on this show a lot.

00:25:34.860 It's that reality reasserts itself, sometimes, sporadically, eventually.

00:25:39.180 These liberal elite schemes are not popular with the actual people.

00:25:45.940 You see it in the word latinx, but you see it in the more tangible policies all around us.

00:25:51.440 Things like defunding the police.

00:25:53.540 The left is now no longer even saying that we need to allow these peaceful protesters who are burning down the country.

00:26:01.800 That we need to allow them to kind of run its course.

00:26:04.360 You know, have some of the radicals of the BLM organizers coming out and defending the looting as justice.

00:26:12.160 They're defending this theft and this vandalism as a positive good.

00:26:16.160 Take a listen.

00:26:17.680 I don't care if somebody decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy's or a Nike because that makes sure that that person eats.

00:26:26.640 That makes sure that that person has clothes. 1.00

00:26:28.980 That makes sure that that person can make some kind of money because this city obviously doesn't care about them.

00:26:33.380 Not only that, that's reparations.

00:26:36.540 That is reparations.

00:26:38.760 Anything they want to take, take it because these businesses have insurance.

00:26:42.340 They're going to get their money back.

00:26:44.460 My people aren't getting anything.

00:26:46.720 That's it.

00:26:47.360 They're not getting anything.

00:26:48.580 How oppressed does that woman look? 1.00

00:26:50.340 She's so oppressed. 0.94

00:26:52.000 It's so awful that she's got to be in modern America, well-fed, sort of well-protected by the cops.

00:26:58.220 She wants to defund on television, running roughshod over the entire country, stealing stuff, defending theft without any consequences. 1.00

00:27:06.060 She's oppressed, you know. 0.97

00:27:08.000 She's getting what's hers. 0.86

00:27:10.460 It's not even just at this personal level.

00:27:12.300 It's not even these peaceful protesters stealing Gucci and Nike sneakers, you know, for justice or something.

00:27:17.560 This is happening in a systematized way.

00:27:21.300 It's happening all the way at the political level.

00:27:23.740 AOC just tweeted out the other day.

00:27:26.920 Said, billionaires need the working class. 0.96

00:27:30.220 The working class does not need billionaires.

00:27:33.260 Which is a very funny statement to make while you are clamoring endlessly to take the billionaire's wealth.

00:27:41.500 Wait, we are told, AOC is simultaneously telling us that people will die, the world will fall into chaos if we don't get the billionaire's wealth.

00:27:52.360 So that's why we need to expropriate it and steal it.

00:27:55.220 Theft at the bottom level of looting a store.

00:27:57.840 Theft at the top level of taking people's wealth from the government.

00:28:02.180 Through the government, rather.

00:28:03.440 We're told that.

00:28:04.080 But we're also told, we don't need those billionaires.

00:28:06.140 That sounds like you do.

00:28:07.780 If you're saying we're all going to die if we don't steal all their money.

00:28:10.480 Sounds like we need them, huh?

00:28:11.720 The whole argument is we do need them, so give us your money.

00:28:15.180 But that doesn't, that doesn't matter.

00:28:17.160 Now, one thing I've asked myself, because I've never understood this.

00:28:22.460 Why on earth would these oligarchs, these bureaucrat oligarchs, why would they want to encourage this kind of system?

00:28:31.700 This kind of chaos in the streets, this lawlessness, this injustice, this theft.

00:28:36.080 Don't you think they'd want to just keep all their money, right?

00:28:37.940 Wouldn't it just be all the billionaires?

00:28:39.000 Because the more that law breaks down, the more law and order breaks down, the more property rights break down, the ability to own your own wealth, the more local attachments break down, the more attachment to family breaks down, the more local government breaks down, the more all of these things break down.

00:29:02.500 The more power the progressive administrative state gets.

00:29:08.640 Never let a crisis go to waste.

00:29:10.140 You need to foment this kind of chaos.

00:29:14.940 That's why the left does it every election year, to grab a little bit more power. 0.79

00:29:19.380 More and more and more and more and more power to the point where you've got the national government telling people how they can zone their neighborhoods.

00:29:26.880 Where you've got the federal government coming in telling people exactly how much money they're allowed to have and how much they're not.

00:29:32.360 And it's going to be arbitrary.

00:29:33.540 It's going to change all the time.

00:29:34.560 You've got the administrative government, which issues all sorts of rulings on what words to use, what language to use.

00:29:41.680 If you don't use it, it'll be a civil rights offense.

00:29:43.860 You'll get hauled before an administrative tribunal telling 97% of people who don't want to use this term that they have to use this term to describe themselves.

00:29:52.640 Even telling, they flaunt their power in such outrageous ways, and this comes right down to this very contemporary issue of the masks.

00:30:03.800 I've been telling you for months that the masks are not about protecting public health.

00:30:08.500 There is very little evidence that the masks work at all.

00:30:11.480 There is a lot of evidence that the masks don't work at all.

00:30:14.480 There's a disclaimer on every mask that you buy right now that says this mask does not prevent the spread of any viruses.

00:30:19.100 And that's a disclaimer that was put there by the same administrators who tell you you have to wear the masks.

00:30:24.700 The head of the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources just told his employees,

00:30:33.700 wear your mask, even if you are home, to participate in a virtual meeting that involves being seen,

00:30:41.420 such as on Zoom or another video conferencing platform, by people who are not in our staff.

00:30:46.500 This was Preston Cole, head of the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources.

00:30:50.600 Set the safety example, which shows you as a DNR public service employee about the safety and health of others.

00:30:57.600 Shows a couple of things.

00:31:00.140 The masks are a symbol.

00:31:02.000 Obviously, if you're at home alone, you don't need to wear the mask.

00:31:05.520 But it's not about preventing the spread of a virus.

00:31:07.640 It's about a political symbol.

00:31:10.380 The left cannot allow for prudence.

00:31:13.040 That's what it basically...

00:31:14.160 What do I think about the masks?

00:31:15.280 If you're in a really high-risk category and you've got a really good mask and you're going to be around a lot of people,

00:31:19.180 maybe you should wear it.

00:31:20.680 Probably it won't do anything, but couldn't hurt, right?

00:31:22.900 And then if you're healthy and you're at home and you're on a conference call or you're young or whatever,

00:31:28.060 you really don't need to wear the mask.

00:31:30.020 That's prudence. 1.00

00:31:31.160 That's using judgment.

00:31:32.780 That's me, the individual, assessing the situation, figuring out what's right,

00:31:37.940 taking the inherited wisdom of my ancestors, looking around, just being practical, using common sense.

00:31:42.440 There's no common sense in the administrative state.

00:31:46.060 It's all about highly rationalized rule.

00:31:48.260 There's a rule for everything.

00:31:49.600 One day we're told, you cannot wear the masks.

00:31:51.840 We're all going to die if we wear the masks.

00:31:53.200 The very next day we're told, you have to wear the masks.

00:31:55.300 We're going to die if you don't wear the masks.

00:31:57.740 And there's no...

00:31:58.700 They don't blink.

00:31:59.580 They just look straight at you.

00:32:01.060 They tell you that with a completely straight face.

00:32:02.880 Because they're the experts and you damn well better do what they say to do.

00:32:07.940 That, that is the more important thing.

00:32:11.140 Forget about the masks.

00:32:12.280 The most important thing is you listen to them, these unaccountable bureaucrats who have usurped our government. 0.96

00:32:19.240 We've got to get into the mailbag.

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00:33:10.700 All right.

00:33:11.520 Let's get into the mailbag.

00:33:12.340 First question from May.

00:33:13.580 Dear Michael, I am nearly 30 and have strong Catholic beliefs.

00:33:18.100 I have always dated cradle Catholics, but they were never really believers as I am. 0.55

00:33:22.160 Yeah, sometimes, you know, they're a little more just cultural about it.

00:33:25.740 They don't really believe it.

00:33:26.940 I believe in waiting until marriage for sex, which gets increasingly difficult when trying

00:33:31.420 to date the older I get.

00:33:33.700 I met a great guy, and I really thought we were perfect for each other, and we had plans

00:33:37.480 to get married and for the future.

00:33:39.300 Against what I knew was right, I slept with him and we're no longer together.

00:33:43.080 Whoever I meet next, I would still want to wait until we are married, but I'm afraid

00:33:46.700 I messed up and another good man may reject me because of my transgressions.

00:33:50.060 I feel lost and hopeless that having a family may never happen for me.

00:33:53.580 Do you have any theological perspective or advice on how I handle any of this?

00:33:56.920 Thank you.

00:33:57.560 Yeah, go to confession, confess your sins, pray a rosary, and you'll be fine.

00:34:01.680 I don't mean to be flippant about it.

00:34:03.700 People make mistakes, especially that everyone makes that mistake these days, virtually everyone.

00:34:09.900 I mean, you know, we're in a culture that's saturated by sex where we're told that having 0.97

00:34:13.280 sex before marriage is essential to do, and you're a weirdo if you don't do it, and, you 0.94

00:34:18.440 know, you just have to do it. 0.59

00:34:20.180 There's a lot of pressure.

00:34:21.300 I mean, there are actually circumstances here that I think do mitigate this sin a little

00:34:26.940 bit.

00:34:27.620 But sure, you did it.

00:34:29.200 It's wrong.

00:34:30.200 It is wrong.

00:34:30.740 Even though everyone does it.

00:34:31.580 Even though a lot of people do it, it's wrong.

00:34:32.980 You feel sorry about it.

00:34:34.440 Move on.

00:34:35.240 You know, your Redeemer lives.

00:34:37.020 Your Savior lives.

00:34:39.080 There is a way for your sins to be forgiven.

00:34:41.460 Your sins are forgiven.

00:34:43.460 You'll be fine.

00:34:44.500 We live in a very broken culture, too.

00:34:45.980 So if you're worried that everybody else is so perfect, and you're not perfect, so you're

00:34:49.620 never going to find a husband, come on. 1.00

00:34:51.520 Give me a break.

00:34:52.580 You'll be all right.

00:34:53.180 These things happen.

00:34:53.980 I'm sure you'll meet a very nice man.

00:34:56.360 By the way, I'm nearly 30 these days.

00:34:58.860 I'm, you know, I'm 32.

00:35:00.860 That's like young to get married, according to the culture.

00:35:03.600 I know that it's not in traditional standards.

00:35:06.040 I wish I had gotten married much younger.

00:35:08.060 I'm sure you do, too.

00:35:09.700 But you've also got to recognize these kind of cultural realities and give yourself a little

00:35:15.980 bit of grace, a little bit of breathing room here, you know. 0.99

00:35:21.480 Now, maybe if this last guy you dated was a jerk, maybe he even wasn't a jerk. 1.00

00:35:27.120 Sounds like he was kind of a jerk. 0.99

00:35:28.200 But, you know, regardless, find a better guy the next time. 1.00

00:35:32.240 It's okay.

00:35:33.220 Breathe.

00:35:34.100 Your Savior lives.

00:35:35.720 God forgives your sins.

00:35:36.960 You can forgive yourself.

00:35:38.420 From Nick.

00:35:39.480 Hey, Michael.

00:35:40.720 I'm very confused and would appreciate it if you could clear my head.

00:35:44.840 Joe Biden has announced Kamala Harris as his running mate.

00:35:47.840 Joe promised he would pick a woman, and I have to assume he made his choice the same 1.00

00:35:51.360 way he picks every girl, by grabbing their shoulders from behind and taking a long, deep

00:35:56.520 sniff, judging them based on scent.

00:35:58.480 This is where I get confused, though.

00:36:00.220 By all accounts, Kamala's fragrance is less than alluring, reportedly being somewhat of

00:36:04.760 a blend between the marijuana she smoked while locking up thousands of black teenagers 0.98

00:36:09.140 mixed in with leftover traces of Willie Brown's cologne.

00:36:13.060 This is going to get me in trouble.

00:36:14.060 So, with his normal discerning methods off the table, what do you think are Biden's

00:36:19.120 real reasons for picking her?

00:36:22.320 I think we've got to stop reading comments from Nick, is what we've got to do.

00:36:25.020 Nick is going to get my show canceled.

00:36:26.600 But very good observations, Nick.

00:36:28.280 I've got to tell you.

00:36:29.320 You are an astute observer, even if you are going to get me fired.

00:36:33.240 From Alona.

00:36:34.520 Dear Mr. Covfefe, I've been an atheist most of my life, but lately I find myself listening

00:36:39.300 to mostly Christian conservative podcasts and media.

00:36:41.460 So, as a 25-year-old, I've dated around a little bit, not too much, and now I really

00:36:45.640 just want to get married and have a family.

00:36:48.200 My question is, how do you know when you've found the right person?

00:36:51.680 I'm torn between the notion that the effort you put in matters, put in more than the person

00:36:56.920 you choose, in fear of choosing the wrong person and subjecting myself and my children

00:37:01.560 to a bad marriage.

00:37:03.300 Thanks.

00:37:03.680 I'm a huge and long-time fan.

00:37:05.400 Yeah, I think now, I mean, I think what you've said sums up what a lot of people think, 0.98

00:37:08.360 which is, this stupid hookup culture is really dumb and maybe, you know, maybe I dated around 0.95

00:37:12.860 a bit, but actually the thing I want to do is the thing that is being discouraged by the 1.00

00:37:17.040 culture.

00:37:17.780 By the way, to serve political ends.

00:37:20.220 There is a reason that the left and the administrative government is pushing progressive, bizarre,

00:37:29.200 radical sex policies on you.

00:37:31.020 That's not an accident.

00:37:31.960 And it's not about your freedom.

00:37:35.120 The reason they do it is to break down the family, which is the bedrock institution, stopping

00:37:39.820 them from grabbing all of their power.

00:37:41.960 So they do want to do it.

00:37:42.720 I mean, you see, even during COVID, they always say, don't, don't have sex with people. 0.99

00:37:46.960 Have sex with yourself. 0.99

00:37:47.980 You're your safest sex partner. 1.00

00:37:50.700 Remain alone.

00:37:51.880 Be empowered.

00:37:53.460 Live in a pod.

00:37:54.720 Go just work all the time.

00:37:56.000 Serve the system.

00:37:56.900 Life of Julia during the Obama campaign.

00:37:58.920 They just imagine this woman, cradle to grave.

00:38:00.580 She never has any meaningful relationship with anybody other than the government.

00:38:05.240 They said she chose to have a child.

00:38:08.500 That's one stage in this progressive utopian dream life.

00:38:13.060 She doesn't fall in love and get married and have a father for her child. 0.63

00:38:16.880 She chooses to have a child, and then the big government is there to take care of you. 1.00

00:38:21.540 So, on to your specific question.

00:38:24.420 That's the preface.

00:38:25.540 Your specific question is, should I just marry the next guy I see, or should I really spend

00:38:29.580 a lot of time thinking about who the right person is?

00:38:32.300 I think you're right that in this culture, people are too slow to act to get married.

00:38:38.300 This happened to me, too.

00:38:39.300 This happens to a lot of friends I know.

00:38:40.740 They'll just date for a long time because we're so nervous about picking the wrong person.

00:38:44.000 That said, though, I think my life would be worse if I married someone other than sweet 0.57

00:38:49.460 little Elisa.

00:38:49.960 I could do it, and it would be fine, maybe.

00:38:53.540 Maybe it wouldn't be so fine.

00:38:54.820 But I think, you know, generally you marry someone, you can make it work because marriage

00:38:59.260 is an institution.

00:39:02.660 It's about the other person, obviously, but you together, you and this other person are

00:39:06.640 forming a new thing, which is an institution.

00:39:09.400 So, you can make that work.

00:39:10.900 But I've got to tell you, I do think my life would be significantly worse if I had married

00:39:16.420 someone other than sweet little Elisa.

00:39:17.920 The person does matter, too.

00:39:20.840 How do you know when you've found the right person?

00:39:22.980 Well, whenever people ask me this sort of question, I say, are you attracted to that

00:39:26.940 person?

00:39:28.020 Are you excited by that person?

00:39:29.940 Does that person make you want to go spend time with them?

00:39:33.300 Do you like something about them?

00:39:35.740 That's got to be there.

00:39:37.140 I mean, that's very important.

00:39:38.560 But then, you will grow together.

00:39:41.540 You'll grow together, or you'll grow apart.

00:39:43.620 So, that shared experience is very important, too.

00:39:45.840 I asked my grandfather this.

00:39:47.340 He and my grandmother have been married now, I don't know, 65 years, something like that,

00:39:51.760 maybe more.

00:39:53.000 And I said, what are the keys to a good marriage?

00:39:56.840 He said, well, shared experience.

00:39:59.340 They've known each other since high school.

00:40:03.480 And my grandmother was pregnant, I think, for 54 months.

00:40:07.380 Lots of patience.

00:40:09.300 Obviously, you need lots of patience for the other person.

00:40:11.460 And frequent absence.

00:40:13.020 My grandfather was in the Navy, so he would deploy a fair bit.

00:40:15.300 I don't know.

00:40:16.100 You don't need to go away for nine months at a time.

00:40:17.800 But you do need to be able to at least have your sort of separate spaces every now and again.

00:40:22.400 But those things make a lot of sense to me.

00:40:24.840 And that shared experience is what you're getting at.

00:40:27.420 If you like this guy.

00:40:28.940 If you love this guy.

00:40:31.740 If you have a good time together.

00:40:33.380 If you have the same view of the world.

00:40:34.740 If you see the world the same way.

00:40:36.960 And you recognize subjective reality.

00:40:39.660 Then you'll grow a lot more together.

00:40:41.700 You know, once you're married.

00:40:43.760 Regardless.

00:40:45.080 Then you have to spend all this time thinking and making sure it's rationally perfect.

00:40:49.520 To do it right, you know, before you pull the trigger.

00:40:53.020 From Alex.

00:40:54.540 Michael, I'd like some advice on tithing.

00:40:56.240 Would you consider donating to political activist campaigns, the best example being pro-life organizations, as being an acceptable inclusion in the 10%?

00:41:04.960 I don't mean exclusively donating to political campaigns, but simply putting part of the 10%, you know, tithe toward politics.

00:41:13.060 I ask this because I don't make a lot of money.

00:41:14.940 And I think donating beyond 10% of my earning would be bad financial stewardship.

00:41:20.580 Sure, I think that's fine.

00:41:21.640 I don't think that you're obligated anymore as a Christian to tithe exactly 10%. 0.98

00:41:26.840 You should give alms, but St. Paul, I think, is clear in 1 and 2 Corinthians.

00:41:32.700 Give what you have.

00:41:33.520 Give what you can give.

00:41:34.820 But you are not bound by precise 10% anymore.

00:41:37.580 I know some people may disagree with me on that, but I say all of that to say it is good to give to pro-life organizations.

00:41:46.040 That's a good thing.

00:41:47.600 And if you do that, I think that would be very good.

00:41:49.680 And I don't think you need to give 11% or 12% to make that happen.

00:41:54.460 From Melody.

00:41:56.000 Dear Mr. Knowles, my friend's daughter floored me with a statement she made recently that the pyramids were not built by slaves.

00:42:03.040 I immediately thought to myself, where on earth has she heard this nonsense?

00:42:06.580 I then began looking up articles on the subject.

00:42:08.800 One article in particular by Jonathan Shaw, who built the pyramids.

00:42:12.020 Shaw states the pyramids were not built by slaves, but by privileged laborers.

00:42:15.120 He goes on to say that the notion of a vast slave class in Egypt originated in the Judeo-Christian tradition

00:42:20.540 and has been popularized by Hollywood films like Cecil B. DeMille's Ten Commandments.

00:42:24.640 Is this yet another attempt by liberals to erase history and gaslight Americans into thinking we invented slavery?

00:42:30.000 I think what it draws on is this highly reductive view of slavery that's overly simplistic.

00:42:38.660 Slavery has meant different things at different times.

00:42:41.220 Even in America, slavery in the 17th century, first of all, was not racialized to the degree that it became in the 19th century.

00:42:48.320 So, in this kind of ironic quirk of history, the first legally recognized owner of an officially declared arbitrary slave for life,

00:42:58.040 you know, the precursor to what you would call American slavery, was a black guy. 0.85

00:43:01.600 He was the first officially declared slave owner, Anthony Johnson.

00:43:05.340 And he owned another black guy, John Kaysor.

00:43:08.480 Obviously, this developed over time, and by the 19th century, you have this highly particular racialized kind of slavery.

00:43:15.220 But even in America, it was different.

00:43:16.300 And so, different kinds of labor existed.

00:43:18.300 You see slavery in the Bible.

00:43:19.320 You see slavery going all the way back.

00:43:21.360 A lot of historians now say that slaves did not build the pyramids.

00:43:25.640 But some system of labor did. 0.99

00:43:28.160 And regardless of the specifics of that, we know slavery long predates the West.

00:43:33.640 You know, actually, Western explorers and merchants bought slaves from slave markets in Africa.

00:43:39.640 There already was slavery in Africa for a long time.

00:43:42.220 There is still slavery today.

00:43:43.780 And by the way, liberals are often participating in it because a lot of that slavery is in East Asia.

00:43:50.180 So, as with everything, I would suggest the real history is just complicated.

00:43:55.360 Life today is complicated.

00:43:56.620 So, obviously, history is too.

00:43:58.660 From Derek.

00:43:59.940 Michael, would you smoke a black and mild gas station cigar?

00:44:03.360 Why cigar over pipe?

00:44:04.520 I guess it depends how desperate I was.

00:44:09.620 You know, I usually like it maybe a little notch above that.

00:44:12.240 But why cigar over pipe?

00:44:13.280 Cigars are just much better.

00:44:15.640 The tobacco is usually a much better quality.

00:44:18.100 It's a long filler, so it burns better.

00:44:20.000 It's more complex.

00:44:20.900 There's a more intricate creation process because you get the blending, then you get the rolling.

00:44:26.100 They're easy.

00:44:26.720 You just clip it, light it.

00:44:27.720 Pipes take a lot of work, a lot of effort.

00:44:29.100 I like a pipe every now and again, but I've once heard tobacco compared to different parts of our soul.

00:44:36.200 So, you've got, like, the appetite, the emotional part.

00:44:40.380 That would be cigarettes, right?

00:44:42.020 Cigarettes, you're feeding an addiction.

00:44:44.660 Cigars are the spirited part.

00:44:47.540 You know, you think of big guys with big chests puffing outward.

00:44:51.900 You know, most of the smoke goes out eventually.

00:44:53.960 And then you have the pipe, which is the sort of philosophic, logical part.

00:44:57.480 I'm more for the spirit.

00:45:00.140 I think we need a lot more spirit here.

00:45:01.640 I like the logic, too, but I want some spirit.

00:45:03.380 All right, that's our show.

00:45:04.660 I'm going to go have a cigar.

00:45:05.860 Clear up my nose.

00:45:07.500 But that'll be us for the week.

00:45:09.360 We've got more cool stuff coming out.

00:45:11.060 Otherwise, I'll see you on Monday.

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The Michael Knowles Show - August 13, 2020

Ep. 597 - Trump-Pence vs. Deep-State

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