The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 65 - The Swampy Shore： Reality TV Reality

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00:00:37.580 The Jersey Shore has announced a new season, but who needs Snooki, Mike, and Pauly when we've got Donald, Chuck, and Nancy?

00:00:44.700 We will analyze our wonderfully entertaining reality TV reality.

00:00:49.040 Then, Allie Stuckey, Alicia Krauss, and Jacob Airey join the panel of deplorables.

00:00:53.760 To discuss new discoveries about the tomb of Jesus, spoiler alert, it's empty.

00:00:58.240 Why millennials say, I feel, instead of I think. 0.66

00:01:01.500 It's probably because they feel and they don't think.

00:01:03.280 And the latest in Democrat sex scandals.

00:01:05.580 I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:07.400 I am so excited that The Jersey Shore is back.

00:01:18.100 I am as excited as anybody else is.

00:01:20.760 In case you have never experienced this wonderful show, here's a clip.

00:01:24.560 Ron, what's your mentality going down there?

00:01:27.600 What are you going to do?

00:01:28.760 Have a good time?

00:01:30.260 A little creepy?

00:01:31.540 A little weird?

00:01:32.200 And what is your name, sir?

00:01:33.700 Situation.

00:01:34.480 Huh?

00:01:35.140 Situation.

00:01:35.880 Kams are here! 1.00

00:01:37.020 I finally put some water on my face.

00:01:38.620 I was like, we got grenades, man.

00:01:41.700 It's hot.

00:01:43.960 You trying to squish right now?

00:01:45.820 No, please.

00:01:46.540 Can I have a roll, please?

00:01:48.380 Don't worry.

00:01:48.960 You got a couple.

00:01:50.180 Leave me alone.

00:01:51.340 Get out of my face. 1.00

00:01:52.100 Yo, shut your mouth, you dirty little hamster. 1.00

00:01:55.340 You look like Popeye and Crack in my face, Jerk. 1.00

00:01:57.240 Oh, my God. 0.99

00:01:58.460 How many guys did you sleep with in 24 hours? 0.98

00:02:00.080 Okay, whatever.

00:02:01.060 That's mature to walk away, too.

00:02:03.200 Boss seems to think that my hair is going to fall off and go into the ice cream.

00:02:08.300 This hair ain't moving, my dude.

00:02:10.900 150 miles an hour on the highway on a street bike.

00:02:13.820 It doesn't move.

00:02:14.740 What makes you think it's going to move in a gelato shop?

00:02:18.000 I love that show so much.

00:02:19.780 I loved it in college.

00:02:21.060 I used to go to the Jersey Shore all the time.

00:02:23.900 When I was a kid, I would go to Wildwood with my family.

00:02:26.600 One time, I was at Seaside Heights, also known as Sleazeside Heights, visiting a buddy in college.

00:02:33.180 And we saw, we went to the house while they were filming.

00:02:36.020 We saw a massive crowd down below because the situation was smoking a cigarette on the balcony.

00:02:42.360 I actually, don't ask me why I know this, I was conceived at the Jersey Shore at Wildwood on the 4th of July of all times.

00:02:49.100 I, again, please, I sort of wish I didn't know that.

00:02:52.080 So, anyway, I love the show.

00:02:53.720 But do we need it anymore?

00:02:55.940 Do we actually need reality television?

00:02:58.140 Yes.

00:02:58.500 I don't know, man, because we have the swampy shore.

00:03:02.380 We have the reality TV of one President Donald Trump and the Washington, D.C. that is revolving around him.

00:03:08.680 Plus, we have a great cast of characters that he's given us.

00:03:11.120 We, it's extremely entertaining.

00:03:13.480 And this should not be surprising at all because it really does.

00:03:16.360 Politics in 2017, more so than it did previously, more so than we've ever seen in the past, it resembles reality TV because we made the king of reality television president.

00:03:27.540 This guy had a reality TV show, one of the defining reality TV shows on network television for 14 years.

00:03:33.920 It was about him.

00:03:35.040 It starred him.

00:03:35.980 It was about his life and his company.

00:03:38.660 It was basically a game show.

00:03:40.660 So we had these constant celebrities and new characters who came by.

00:03:44.860 This is the culture.

00:03:46.080 I notice all of the people who for years and years have sat at Heritage Foundation lunches and have written in all of the elite publications on the right.

00:03:54.300 They've called for a culture warrior in the White House.

00:03:57.100 We have to wage the culture wars.

00:03:58.660 Everything else is just accounting.

00:04:00.740 And they seem to have had a vision of what that culture warrior would look like, and it didn't look like Donald Trump.

00:04:06.500 So now that he is waging the culture wars, they hate it, and they're saying it's uncouth, and they're running away from him, and they're commiserating with their friends on the left and at the New York Times and in left-wing outlets.

00:04:18.800 And they're saying, oh, yes, isn't it so awful?

00:04:20.500 I don't like that guy.

00:04:21.700 He says strange words.

00:04:23.280 But, look, I'm for elite culture as much as the next guy.

00:04:27.720 It actually occurred to me while I was writing this, I was listening to Abjoy et Abjoven Mapais.

00:04:34.080 If you listen to Chanting or anything on Spotify, you'll see these ridiculous songs that come out of Provencal Poetry.

00:04:40.840 But guess what, folks?

00:04:41.880 Provencal Poetry is not the culture that we live in.

00:04:45.100 It's a nice culture if you want to read old books and read old poetry and that sort of thing.

00:04:51.000 I'm all for it.

00:04:51.960 I like the opera.

00:04:52.780 I like going to plays.

00:04:53.680 But that isn't the actual culture.

00:04:55.260 And if we have rich Uncle Pennybags become the nominee of the Republican Party and wear a monocle and talk about how great Don Giovanni is or how he only listens to Bach, that doesn't engage in the culture.

00:05:07.660 He might be a well-formed fella, but that isn't the culture that the American people pay attention to.

00:05:12.780 So the NFL, that is the culture.

00:05:15.360 Reality television, that is the culture.

00:05:16.680 And we now have a guy who's constantly talking about the NFL, who's talking about celebrities, who's waging the war where it exists.

00:05:24.020 Now, we have these two characters.

00:05:25.420 We have Chuck and Nancy.

00:05:26.700 But that doesn't take into account my favorite character, which is Pocahontas.

00:05:31.700 We'll get to Pocahontas in a little.

00:05:33.420 Here's what Chuck and Nancy wrote.

00:05:34.800 This morning, Donald Trump tweeted, quote, meeting with Chuck and Nancy today about keeping government open and working.

00:05:42.600 Problem is they want illegal immigrants flooding into our country unchecked or weak on crime and want to substantially raise taxes. 1.00

00:05:49.720 I don't see a deal.

00:05:51.300 Don't you?

00:05:51.820 After all of – you know, this is poetic diction.

00:05:55.640 Ben talked about an excellent book by Owen Barfield, Poetic Diction, on his show the other day.

00:06:00.520 This is poetic diction.

00:06:01.660 It offers us so much in just, what, three sentences.

00:06:05.680 He gives us the characters.

00:06:06.780 He gives us the protagonists.

00:06:07.860 That's Donald Trump.

00:06:08.960 This is what I want to do.

00:06:10.060 I want to keep our country open.

00:06:11.820 I want to keep the government working.

00:06:13.780 Then he gives us the antagonists.

00:06:15.620 That's Chuck and Nancy.

00:06:16.740 He doesn't say Senator Schumer and Congresswoman Pelosi, Leader Pelosi.

00:06:20.760 He says it.

00:06:21.200 He even puts it in quotes.

00:06:21.940 Chuck and Nancy.

00:06:22.920 You know them.

00:06:23.780 They come through your TV every night.

00:06:25.340 You know them.

00:06:25.760 They're like a sitcom character.

00:06:27.120 They're like a reality television character.

00:06:28.720 He then presents himself not only as the reasonable guy, but he's the innocent guy.

00:06:33.820 It's almost laughable.

00:06:35.220 It is laughable, this tweet, because he's saying, look, this is what I want.

00:06:38.860 I just want these good things for the country, and so I'm going to meet with them today.

00:06:42.580 You know, the only trouble is the only thing – I suspect this might not go very well because they're anti-American monsters who want to destroy your country for you.

00:06:50.420 So I don't think there will be a deal, but maybe there will be, right?

00:06:52.620 He presents himself as this perfectly innocent player, and he's forcing them to a corner.

00:06:57.380 They can't come to the meeting now.

00:06:59.040 He's just said that they want to flood this country with criminals and illegal immigrants, that they want to raise your taxes and destroy your country.

00:07:06.760 So he doesn't see a deal, but hey, you know, maybe it'll work out.

00:07:10.220 They can't possibly come.

00:07:11.720 So if they don't come, then it just underscores the narrative.

00:07:14.960 He wants to work together.

00:07:16.340 He wants to reach across the aisle.

00:07:17.580 He wants to do positive work for the country, but these obstructionists among Democrats will not do it.

00:07:24.040 And not only that, but they're humorless.

00:07:26.080 That's the other accusation that he's constantly implicitly leveling against them.

00:07:30.460 And so what happened?

00:07:31.300 They canceled the meeting.

00:07:32.260 Of course they had to.

00:07:33.660 And then Sarah Huckabee Sanders sends out a press release and says,

00:07:36.580 the president's invitation to the Democrat leaders still stands, and he encourages them to put aside their pettiness,

00:07:42.440 stop the political grandstanding, show up, and get to work.

00:07:46.060 These issues are too important.

00:07:48.640 It's exactly, it was ever thus the minute he wrote this tweet, and now he looks like the adult, which is crazy.

00:07:55.180 He's written this, the sort of statement from the president that we've never seen before.

00:08:00.680 He's written this, and then ironically, he's the one who ends up looking like an adult.

00:08:05.300 You know, this is no surprise.

00:08:07.880 This should come as no surprise to us.

00:08:09.340 But many people on the left and the right are constantly scratching their heads or saying, what is he doing?

00:08:14.900 How could he be doing this?

00:08:16.260 If only he did something different, then it would all work out great.

00:08:19.440 You know, you've got to give this guy a little bit of credit.

00:08:22.140 He has been manipulating people to do what he wants them to do for decades, but he's done it explicitly on television for 15 years.

00:08:30.260 This was his job, was to take regular people, not with a script, not with characters that he's written, regular people that he's met in life,

00:08:38.220 and get them to do what he wants them to do to create entertainment on television.

00:08:42.560 That was truly his job for 15 years.

00:08:45.760 So this brings us to our next character, my favorite one.

00:08:49.480 That would be Pocahontas. 1.00

00:08:50.560 Here was Trump yesterday at an event honoring the Navajo Code Talkers.

00:08:54.060 For the country.

00:08:55.820 So that was the ultimate statement from General Kelly, the importance.

00:09:00.400 And I just want to thank you because you're very, very special people.

00:09:05.080 You were here long before any of us were here.

00:09:09.340 Although we have a representative in Congress who they say was here a long time ago.

00:09:15.200 They call her Pocahontas. 0.93

00:09:17.520 But you know what?

00:09:19.140 I like you because you are special.

00:09:22.000 You are special people.

00:09:24.340 You are really incredible people.

00:09:27.480 And from the heart, from the absolute heart, we appreciate what you've done, how you've done it,

00:09:34.840 the bravery that you displayed, and the love that you have for your country.

00:09:39.340 Tom, I would say that's as good as it gets.

00:09:42.640 That is as good as it gets.

00:09:44.200 It was perfectly executed.

00:09:46.100 Those guys don't look too offended.

00:09:47.700 For those of you who aren't watching because you haven't subscribed, go over and subscribe.

00:09:51.140 But if you're just listening, when he says Pocahontas, they're smiling a little. 0.98

00:09:55.620 They're laughing a little.

00:09:56.740 It's not – they're not taken aback and saying how awful this is.

00:10:00.820 And by the way, Pocahontas wasn't Navajo.

00:10:03.020 Pocahontas wasn't Cherokee, as Elizabeth Warren lying said that she was. 0.66

00:10:09.120 But he's mocking her.

00:10:10.140 He's mocking her in this moment.

00:10:11.580 Why?

00:10:11.940 Because it's a little aside.

00:10:13.200 He's honoring these guys at an event.

00:10:14.920 He's obviously heaping praise on them.

00:10:17.660 And then he gets his little joke in there.

00:10:19.420 Why?

00:10:19.800 Why is he mocking Elizabeth Warren? 0.93

00:10:21.460 Elizabeth Warren deserves to be mocked. 1.00

00:10:23.320 Elizabeth Warren pretended to be a Native American Indian. 0.99

00:10:26.000 She is as white as can be. 0.99

00:10:28.320 I am far swarthier than Elizabeth Warren ever could possibly be, even during the summer in the sun.

00:10:35.360 And Elizabeth Warren didn't just say that she was Native American Indian on job application. 1.00

00:10:40.580 She didn't just talk about it in her life.

00:10:42.120 Like, she submitted a recipe to a cookbook called Pow Wow Chow.

00:10:47.960 It doesn't get much more egregious than that.

00:10:50.540 She is prostituting her fake ancestry, clearly for a career benefit. 0.98

00:10:55.940 But Donald Trump is the one who's offensive by making this joke and pointing it out.

00:10:59.920 By the way, this event would not have been covered by the press had he not made that remark.

00:11:04.620 He knows that.

00:11:05.360 That's why he made the remark.

00:11:06.420 We wouldn't have seen wall-to-wall coverage of the Navajo Code Talkers Honor Summit had he not made this line.

00:11:13.840 So, like catnip, the press can't resist.

00:11:16.200 And once again, what are we talking about?

00:11:18.160 We're not talking about Bob Mueller.

00:11:20.580 We're not talking about Russia. 0.98

00:11:21.600 We're talking about how Elizabeth Warren is a liar and this clearly white woman pretended to be a Native American to further her career. 0.96

00:11:28.160 So how did Warren respond? 0.97

00:11:29.700 I think you guessed it.

00:11:30.520 It is deeply unfortunate that the president of the United States cannot even make it through a ceremony honoring these heroes without having to throw out a racial slur.

00:11:45.420 Look, Donald Trump does this over and over thinking somehow he's going to shut me up with it.

00:11:51.360 It hadn't worked in the past.

00:11:52.780 It is not going to work in the future.

00:11:54.800 It's a racial slur.

00:11:56.060 Didn't you know that Pocahontas is a racial slur?

00:11:58.480 Didn't you know that, Marshall?

00:11:59.400 Well, I don't know.

00:12:00.720 In my PC training, there are a lot of slurs that I was told not to say.

00:12:04.880 Pocahontas wasn't one of them because Pocahontas was a Native American Indian from the northeast of America and also a Disney cartoon.

00:12:11.640 So it's not a racial slur.

00:12:12.920 And Ann Coulter once gave me tremendous advice.

00:12:15.340 The first time I met her when I was in college, we were talking about how all the crazies at college would call you racist for saying that we ought to have lower taxes and less government in our lives.

00:12:24.080 And she said, you know, Michael, when a liberal calls you a racist, you know you've won the argument.

00:12:28.820 And that's true.

00:12:29.800 She has no argument here.

00:12:31.100 She can't answer for her fraud, for her decades of fraud. 0.99

00:12:33.980 So what she has to do, she looks ridiculous in every sense of that word. 1.00

00:12:38.040 To think that she is like Pocahontas, which she claimed to be, is ridiculous. 0.99

00:12:43.220 It makes you laugh. 0.97

00:12:43.900 It makes you laugh at her.

00:12:44.980 But she can't laugh.

00:12:46.240 She is humorless.

00:12:46.820 It reminds me of that meme that was going around of Sandra Fluke, who has her arms crossed. 0.99

00:12:52.240 She was that Democrat contrivance who took the sacramental view of birth control.

00:12:57.200 She had her arms crossed and frowning, and it said, that's not funny.

00:13:01.600 That's what Elizabeth Warren looks like. 1.00

00:13:03.220 She seems like a scold.

00:13:04.460 She seems humorless.

00:13:05.720 How did that work for Hillary Clinton? 1.00

00:13:08.060 He's forced her into this corner to make her deeply unlikable.

00:13:11.700 Not that I'm saying she wasn't unlikable before, but Donald Trump is making her look even more unlikable.

00:13:16.780 And by the way, she says that he's doing this to shut her up.

00:13:19.380 No, he isn't.

00:13:20.080 He's doing it to get her on TV and to make her look as humorless as she is.

00:13:24.020 He isn't shutting her up at all.

00:13:25.400 It isn't to shut her up. 0.99

00:13:26.440 It's to make her look ridiculous, which she is. 0.99

00:13:28.420 You see this played out to yesterday. 0.98

00:13:30.940 There was that drama at the CFPB, speaking of Elizabeth Warren, the board, the Consumer Financial

00:13:36.500 so-called Protection Bureau that Elizabeth Warren promoted and helped to create even before 0.97

00:13:42.880 she was a member of the Senate.

00:13:44.120 The drama that happened at the CFPB is that the director resigned.

00:13:48.260 He named his deputy, a woman named Leandra English, to take over, but he has no authority

00:13:52.020 to do that.

00:13:52.780 The president can name the head of his executive agencies.

00:13:55.200 So instead of formally nominating somebody and taking care of this in paperwork, basically,

00:14:01.160 what Donald Trump was, was he named an interim director, Mick Mulvaney, his budget director,

00:14:05.440 to walk down there with a bag of Dunkin' Donuts and take over the office.

00:14:10.120 Why did he do it this way?

00:14:11.320 He could have handled this much more quietly.

00:14:14.380 Why did he have to send down a person?

00:14:16.620 Well, if he had found some boring bureaucratic solution on paper to do this, then it might

00:14:22.960 have taken care of this particular problem.

00:14:24.440 But it wouldn't have pointed out that this issue of the CFPB and all of these godless,

00:14:29.300 headless executive agencies is not a boring bureaucratic problem.

00:14:33.080 I had the privilege of meeting Antonin Scalia.

00:14:34.900 We asked him what the greatest threat to liberty was in the United States.

00:14:38.400 He said it's these agencies, these executive agencies who have no accountability, certainly

00:14:43.260 to Congress, and in this case, apparently not to the president.

00:14:45.900 So he sent down a person, Mick Mulvaney, an outspoken critic of this agency, to have human

00:14:52.180 drama, two heads, two directors of the agency duking it out, total catnip for the press.

00:14:57.980 And we get to see this issue brought into stark relief.

00:15:02.300 Does a legitimately elected president sent there by the American people, does he have the right

00:15:07.240 to run his own executive agencies, or is some bureaucrat holdover who thinks that she knows

00:15:12.800 better how to run your life than you do, who thinks she knows better how to run your government 1.00

00:15:16.400 than you do, is she the one who should do it?

00:15:18.340 It's a beautiful human drama.

00:15:19.820 It pits people who represent different groups.

00:15:23.460 And, you know, there was a commentator.

00:15:25.780 I can't remember.

00:15:26.440 I couldn't find his name today.

00:15:27.600 There was a commentator in 2016 who predicted that Trump would win because we want to keep

00:15:31.900 watching the show.

00:15:32.840 We can't turn off this reality TV show.

00:15:35.400 We want to see season two.

00:15:38.060 America just wouldn't be able to help itself.

00:15:40.560 A lot of people on the left and the right are saying Trump is doing horrible and he should

00:15:46.020 abandon Twitter, or Trump is doing fine, but he should abandon Twitter.

00:15:49.480 And Twitter is the key.

00:15:50.680 Humor is the key.

00:15:51.740 This isn't just bread and circuses, by the way.

00:15:53.640 We're seeing a lot of great stuff happen in the federal government.

00:15:55.980 We're seeing massive deregulation, an annual 13,000 regulations passed every single year

00:16:02.080 by the federal government for the last 20 years.

00:16:04.740 This year, zero net new regulations, massive deregulation at the EPA.

00:16:09.740 Scott Pruitt has been doing an excellent job.

00:16:11.660 Judge Gorsuch, a supremely good nominee and now Supreme Court justice.

00:16:16.840 A ton of other judges have been nominated.

00:16:18.900 Some have been confirmed.

00:16:20.680 You know, the humor has been really a great way to accomplish political goals.

00:16:24.900 And rather than encouraging Trump to abandon all of that covfefe, we should encourage him

00:16:30.860 to keep it up.

00:16:31.860 This has been an immense help to him and the show must go on, folks.

00:16:36.200 We don't want to turn this show off.

00:16:38.040 So to continue to discuss reality television, I have to bring on our excellent panel of deplorables.

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00:19:30.620 All right.

00:19:31.180 Let's get into our, we have a lot of excellent topics to discuss today.

00:19:35.360 Let's begin with Allie. 0.95

00:19:36.760 Allie, will anybody watch the New Jersey Shore or has politics made reality TV completely irrelevant?

00:19:42.780 Oh, I don't know if it's politics making Jersey Shore relevant.

00:19:46.720 I think it was probably already like that much before Donald Trump.

00:19:50.320 I mean, I never watched this stuff, Michael Knowles.

00:19:52.940 It seems like you might be an expert.

00:19:54.840 You're much higher brow than me.

00:19:56.940 Yes, I am.

00:19:58.300 I am.

00:19:59.140 No, I just, I never watched.

00:20:01.040 I watch other much more sophisticated reality shows like The Bachelor and The Bachelorette that,

00:20:06.220 you know, things like Jersey Shore, they're just beneath me.

00:20:08.960 What can I say?

00:20:09.660 That makes perfect sense.

00:20:12.780 On this reality TV show that we have in front of us, the Trump show, the Swampy Shore, Alicia,

00:20:19.180 which is racist?

00:20:21.140 Because Elizabeth Warren says calling her Pocahontas is racist.

00:20:24.700 What is more racist, to call Elizabeth Warren a white woman who isn't Native American Pocahontas,

00:20:30.160 or for Elizabeth Warren to pretend to be a Native American Indian and write a recipe for a book called Pow Wow Chow? 1.00

00:20:36.480 Yeah, that was a crab recipe, hailing from Oklahoma, southeastern Oklahoma specifically.

00:20:42.100 There are no crabs there.

00:20:43.620 We do have crawdads, though.

00:20:45.740 Those mud bugs are way grosser than crabs. 0.99

00:20:48.640 And she also hailing from Oklahoma, I guess she needs to apologize where she was raised because it's, you know, 0.93

00:20:53.760 stands for land of the red people. 0.98

00:20:55.120 It's, like, ridiculous.

00:20:57.620 It's, like, legitimately Pocahontas was somebody's name.

00:21:00.720 And I do, I, like, it was cringeworthy yesterday when Trump said this in front of these American heroes that are probably pushing 100, let's be honest.

00:21:10.920 But it's Trump.

00:21:13.120 Like, I mean, that's just him.

00:21:14.880 And the CNN and MSNBC wall-to-wall coverage about how he was racist is just, it's beyond.

00:21:21.020 It is beyond.

00:21:21.620 And those guys, I mean, you point out they are probably, like, 100 years old at this point.

00:21:25.460 They seem to get a kind of a kick out of it.

00:21:26.960 They smiled.

00:21:27.760 They didn't touch their pearls.

00:21:29.660 I mean, come on.

00:21:30.360 It was awkward smiles, though.

00:21:32.220 Well, you know, that's the thing I notice about this administration is it's always awkward smiles because you can't predict any of this stuff.

00:21:39.820 You remember in 2012 when Clint Eastwood came to the RNC and he talked to an empty chair?

00:21:45.700 And he just gave, he ad-libbed a speech to an empty chair.

00:21:48.900 And a lot of people, it was very cringy.

00:21:50.620 We didn't know what to do.

00:21:51.760 Jon Stewart said he loved it.

00:21:53.440 Jon Stewart said he loved it because it was unscripted.

00:21:55.600 It wasn't the usual glossed-over, scripted political convention we see.

00:22:01.400 It was a little awkward and a little weird.

00:22:03.600 And you just, I don't know, to me, maybe it's like a car wreck, but you can't help.

00:22:06.960 But watch it.

00:22:07.760 Jacob, the Jersey Shore, you might not have watched it.

00:22:11.000 I certainly did.

00:22:11.920 And I believe it was Vinny on the Jersey Shore said that things were going to get filthy, creepy, and weird.

00:22:17.160 That's how it defines itself. 0.52

00:22:18.660 Certainly, politics these days is filthy, creepy, and weird, what with all of the sex scandals and whatnot.

00:22:24.260 Is there any way to add a little dignity to either our television, our popular culture, and our politics?

00:22:31.160 Or are we just on a straight train to decadence?

00:22:34.240 I think we're on a straight train to decadence.

00:22:36.420 No, that's fine.

00:22:37.200 Decadence is kind of fun.

00:22:38.260 I'm sorry to be a killjoy here, but I don't think the train ride is going to get any smoother.

00:22:44.020 It's going to be bumpy all the way.

00:22:45.180 And by the way, bull crawdads are way better than crabs.

00:22:48.380 But anyway, that's neither here nor there.

00:22:50.160 That statement is a nice way to typify how everything you say, like the opposite is true, that we shouldn't trust any of your opinions.

00:22:59.760 I grew up Cajun.

00:23:00.680 I grew up on crawdads. 0.52

00:23:02.020 Those things are so gross. 0.55

00:23:03.420 Anyway, well, yeah.

00:23:04.660 Well, the peeling of them is gross, but once you actually get them in your mouth, it's delicious.

00:23:08.980 Michael, you're such a New England elitist.

00:23:10.520 Get over yourself.

00:23:11.120 By the way, this is how I feel about Trump. 0.92

00:23:13.680 The peeling of it is gross.

00:23:15.620 The kind of watching it the first time, even the voting, you're like, oh, this is kind of, I don't know.

00:23:19.840 But then once you're in there, oh, man, it's so delicious.

00:23:22.020 That covfefe is great.

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00:23:50.740 Guys, Christmas season is coming up.

00:23:52.240 It's the holidays.

00:23:53.240 It's the holiday season.

00:23:54.540 You could get your very own Leftist Tears Tumblr.

00:23:58.260 Now, I would say this makes a great stocking stuffer.

00:24:00.340 But that's not true.

00:24:01.140 It would make a great main gift, main only gift to any of your loved ones.

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00:24:30.340 All right, enough reality TV.

00:24:40.220 There is some good news just in time for Christmas.

00:24:43.260 See what I did there?

00:24:44.220 Scientific tests have offered new evidence that the Church of the Holy Sepulchre,

00:24:48.980 where Jesus is believed to have been buried, though not for very long,

00:24:52.200 does in fact date back to the Roman Empire, to at least the time of Constantine.

00:24:57.140 Now, previous experiments only dated it to around 1,000 years old,

00:25:01.800 but now we know it goes back to at least the time when Constantine started to renovate the place

00:25:06.760 and make it a nice temple, a nice what would eventually become a church.

00:25:13.300 Alicia, everybody I notice on today's panel is Christian.

00:25:17.000 Alicia, do scientific corroborations such as this one,

00:25:20.680 do they do anything to augment your faith, or do you draw some sort of hard line between your faith

00:25:26.600 and other things you know about the world, between theology and things in natural science?

00:25:31.660 I'm really sleep-deprived today, so of course you went to me with that esoteric question.

00:25:35.140 You've got to go full esoteric.

00:25:36.140 I've got to say, in layman's terms, no.

00:25:40.120 I mean, I think I kind of read articles like this, and I'm like, that's cool,

00:25:43.320 but there's an aspect of, like, faith, and, like, you don't have to believe to see.

00:25:47.720 Actually, I think that was something that, like, Jesus said, you know, to Thomas.

00:25:50.700 Yeah, he said it to my confirmation.

00:25:52.340 Yeah, like, good for you for not, you know, like, why are you doubting?

00:25:55.480 And so I think that it is something that's cool.

00:25:58.160 I'm somebody that has never been to the Holy Lands, would love to visit the Holy Lands.

00:26:01.140 I've heard it's, like, a life-changing moment and experience.

00:26:04.540 I have lots of friends and family that have done it,

00:26:06.320 but I don't think that I don't need to see, like, oh, is this exactly where the manger was?

00:26:11.060 Is this exactly the hill that Jesus died on?

00:26:13.600 Is this exactly the tomb that he was laid in for three days

00:26:16.140 in order for my faith to be solidified?

00:26:18.500 Because it's called faith for a reason.

00:26:20.280 That's true, and he makes that point.

00:26:22.020 You know, it's very nice to see and then believe,

00:26:24.240 but blessed are those who have not seen and yet believed.

00:26:26.860 And yet, as you say, I also haven't been to Israel,

00:26:30.280 but everyone who goes is just stunned and bowled over by it

00:26:33.920 and goes back many times, makes the pilgrimage.

00:26:37.140 So there is something about Christianity that is unique.

00:26:40.900 Unlike other world religions, 1.00

00:26:42.420 Christianity is founded on fact rather than philosophy.

00:26:46.820 It begins, it doesn't begin with some poetry or some philosophy.

00:26:49.960 It begins with a journalistic account of a guy who lived in a place at a time

00:26:54.260 who is performing miracles, who's doing things,

00:26:57.920 in which the physical and the metaphysical unite.

00:27:00.300 So, Ali, that unique foundation of Christianity as journalism, basically,

00:27:05.920 does that do anything to shape your political views

00:27:08.820 or your views of the rest of the world?

00:27:12.020 Yeah, I mean, I think so.

00:27:13.660 I do think that all faiths, to some degree,

00:27:15.940 or all of the major religions, to some degree,

00:27:18.020 feel that they are founded in fact.

00:27:19.900 And they usually are founded in some fact.

00:27:22.400 Muhammad was someone who really existed. 0.98

00:27:24.220 Although I think the unique thing about Christianity

00:27:27.660 was not the fact that it started, I guess, journalistically,

00:27:31.780 but just that it's different in any other faith in our philosophy

00:27:35.100 and what we believe.

00:27:36.020 Every other faith tells you how to get to God.

00:27:38.420 So if God is on the top of the hill,

00:27:40.580 it tells you all of the ways that you have to climb up the hill

00:27:43.160 in order to get to him.

00:27:45.700 Christianity is different in that Jesus came down the hill to us.

00:27:49.040 We didn't have to do anything to get to God.

00:27:51.000 I think that's the difference, and that's really what shapes my faith,

00:27:54.680 is the offer of reconciliation through nothing of our own.

00:27:59.600 I think that's really what makes the difference.

00:28:01.500 Oh, I'm sorry, go ahead.

00:28:03.560 He just jumped into my lap.

00:28:04.880 I don't know if he'll...

00:28:05.620 Hey, buddy, isn't that bad luck?

00:28:09.040 Well, maybe we'll get rid of superstition for Christmas.

00:28:11.220 I want to know what the pastor's kid thinks, though.

00:28:13.800 Well, I want to get to that, but on this point of Muhammad, 0.91

00:28:17.600 it is worth noting, yeah, he's a guy who lived in time.

00:28:19.560 Moses lived in time and a place, Abraham.

00:28:22.380 But it's only in Christ that we see a guy who's saying, I am God.

00:28:28.220 Even Muhammad doesn't go that far because, of course, 1.00

00:28:30.760 Muhammad founded his religion after spending weeks 0.97

00:28:33.300 with a heretical Christian monk over in Syria.

00:28:36.400 So that uniting, it reminds me, I was reading this book last month

00:28:41.280 called Symbolism and Belief by Edwin Bevan that C.S. Lewis recommends,

00:28:45.760 and he talks about how values, values and these ethereal ideas for our lives,

00:28:52.500 it's very easy to intellectualize them and just think of them as up here.

00:28:55.460 But really, they're put into bodies.

00:28:58.340 They only really matter when humans do something with them, right?

00:29:01.460 We have to use them in space and time.

00:29:04.100 The book in the New Testament isn't called The Ideas of the Apostles.

00:29:07.740 It's called The Acts of the Apostles.

00:29:09.420 It's the life of Jesus that we see.

00:29:11.080 It's not just like the heretical Gospel of Thomas.

00:29:13.200 This is not just random sayings of his.

00:29:15.140 We follow biographies through his life.

00:29:17.560 And so that does shape my view of politics,

00:29:20.220 and it makes it less rationalist,

00:29:23.040 makes it less just about sitting back and saying,

00:29:25.800 oh, yes, this would be good, but I'm standing for something.

00:29:28.660 The rationalist always stands for something,

00:29:31.000 but he won't walk, he won't move, he won't do things.

00:29:33.660 Jacob, does it affect your politics?

00:29:36.260 Pastor's kid?

00:29:37.120 Pastor's son?

00:29:37.880 Yeah, absolutely.

00:29:38.540 And in fact, I remember when I was far away from my faith,

00:29:42.320 I went through a period during my college years

00:29:44.420 where I kind of backed away from my faith.

00:29:46.980 I was questioning God, and that's when I became a liberal.

00:29:49.720 That's when I started to experiment with leftism,

00:29:52.640 was I was away from my faith.

00:29:55.740 But then as soon as I rediscovered my faith,

00:29:58.580 I guess you could say, that's when I went,

00:30:00.720 oh, you know what?

00:30:02.300 Children or babies in the womb are children. 0.69

00:30:05.120 They are alive.

00:30:05.940 They do have a purpose.

00:30:07.660 So, yes, definitely my, certainly my faith in Jesus Christ

00:30:10.940 has affected how I see the world as far as politics

00:30:14.960 and just even in the way I live my life.

00:30:17.380 We all experiment with weird stuff in college.

00:30:19.460 There's a time and a place for everything,

00:30:20.800 and that place is college.

00:30:22.920 So, speaking of college, there is an excellent professor,

00:30:26.320 a law professor at Faulkner University named Adam McLeod,

00:30:30.200 who insists that any student who uses the phrase,

00:30:32.980 I feel instead of I think, must cluck like a chicken.

00:30:36.860 And if they use isms, you know, all of those isms, 0.94

00:30:39.920 this ism and that ism, or if they use vague, trendy words like fair, diversity, etc.,

00:30:44.960 they must immediately stop and explain what they think.

00:30:49.200 I noticed this in college, too.

00:30:51.680 For comment, we turn to every millennial.

00:30:53.440 Okay, like right now, for example, the Hadeans need to come to America. 1.00

00:31:00.380 But some people are all, what about the strain on our resources?

00:31:04.240 But it's like, when I had this garden party for my father's birthday, right?

00:31:08.480 That is so profound.

00:31:09.720 That really changed the way I think about things, you know?

00:31:12.120 Like, Alicia.

00:31:13.480 Yes.

00:31:14.960 You might have noticed this, too.

00:31:16.360 Uh-huh.

00:31:16.920 The language has changed now.

00:31:18.260 People don't say, I think, or I believe.

00:31:20.020 It's all about feelings all the time.

00:31:21.580 They, it's all about, but they'll, you know, I feel like it would be better if we do this.

00:31:24.780 I feel like this was kind of interesting.

00:31:27.420 Why the change?

00:31:28.460 Why do millennials only use the phrase, I feel?

00:31:30.920 I blame the public education system.

00:31:32.760 I also think that clucking like a chicken is not punishment enough,

00:31:35.800 because let's be honest, drunk people do the chicken dance at weddings all across America.

00:31:39.200 Get your cameras out of my apartment.

00:31:42.100 So, oh, you just do them in your apartment.

00:31:44.140 Wow, are you like prepping a dance for your wedding?

00:31:46.740 Telling tales out of school here.

00:31:47.860 But I think that it is definitely something to do with what we see on TV,

00:31:53.480 what we, what our generation has read in media, what we, you know, romantic comedies, even,

00:31:59.160 that like women are raised seeing from the 80s and beyond.

00:32:03.140 Not that romantic comedies aren't amazing,

00:32:04.900 but it does kind of teach this or reinforce this belief that everything is about feeling versus facts,

00:32:10.360 like our buddy Ben says.

00:32:11.840 Yeah, I've heard that somewhere.

00:32:12.920 He says that.

00:32:13.440 Just somewhere.

00:32:13.800 I think it might be a pinned tweet somewhere.

00:32:15.240 And I think that that has really continued over,

00:32:18.600 and it's something that you see continually in the education system.

00:32:21.260 I mean, I'm looking at schools right now for my four-year-old,

00:32:23.600 and every, every single tour, the two questions that are given the most time is the diversity question.

00:32:29.900 And what about the feelings of the students?

00:32:32.260 And I'm like, no, not what about the feelings of the students.

00:32:35.180 What are you going to do to get my kid into Harvard?

00:32:36.560 You know, a professor of mine in college had a theory on all of this.

00:32:41.400 He, this guy, Charles Hill, he's a lifelong diplomat, ambassador.

00:32:47.120 And his idea was that over time, students have become much more afraid to make any statements of fact.

00:32:55.200 They're too afraid because they think that the facts can be offensive.

00:32:58.200 So you used to say the sky is blue, and then you could say, well, I think the sky is blue.

00:33:02.440 You know, that's just my opinion.

00:33:04.120 And it was too, I believe the sky is blue because belief is a little, a little more wish-washy.

00:33:08.560 And then ultimately you get, I feel like the sky is blue.

00:33:12.180 Even the word like, which we make fun of the valley girl.

00:33:15.100 Well, isn't it like this and that?

00:33:16.860 Even that word like is distancing yourself.

00:33:19.040 It's, it's a simile.

00:33:20.220 You're not saying the thing is what it is.

00:33:22.680 You're saying it's like something else.

00:33:24.460 And that gives you a lot of wiggle room.

00:33:26.940 Now, Ali, you are a conservative millennial.

00:33:29.600 I've read somewhere.

00:33:30.380 Is it that millennials are afraid of making statements of fact?

00:33:34.420 They seem hysterical in, in many ways.

00:33:37.180 What, what is going on here with the relationship of millennials to objective truth?

00:33:42.020 I do think it's what you and Alicia both noted, this kind of popularization of subjectivity and kind of shame about being objective.

00:33:51.700 And it's not just objectivity, but we're so afraid of being judgmental.

00:33:55.760 The worst thing you can be after being a racist and a bigoted, a homophobe is being judgmental.

00:34:01.460 So if you say that anything is right or wrong, especially if you're on the right, then you're not only a bigot, but you are, you know, you're morally wrong.

00:34:11.800 And so I think in an effort to avoid being judgmental or being called a bigot or what have you, people start with, I feel like, or I think.

00:34:23.140 It's also something that you learn in, like, conflict resolution or if you go to, like, premarital counseling, they always tell you to start with, I feel, because it takes the responsibility off of the person that you're talking to.

00:34:35.260 It's like, I feel like you're being really rude.

00:34:37.480 I mean, that's just my feeling, but I feel like it.

00:34:40.020 So I think that's kind of what we're going for.

00:34:42.740 We're so afraid of conflict.

00:34:44.080 We're so afraid of objectivity.

00:34:45.460 We're so afraid of being called a bigot or judgmental that if we're just starting with our own feelings, you can't get mad at me for that.

00:34:51.220 It's kind of like saying no offense when you're actually being really rude.

00:34:54.420 People only say that when they're being extremely offensive, you know, is it?

00:34:58.060 Well, no offense.

00:34:58.760 Don't whatever you're going to say.

00:34:59.660 Don't say it.

00:35:00.420 Stop.

00:35:00.600 To bless your heart, though.

00:35:02.060 Yeah.

00:35:02.300 Bless your heart.

00:35:04.700 I think it's also because people don't understand what an opinion is anymore.

00:35:07.940 We learn this incorrectly in schools.

00:35:11.100 People think that an opinion is a preference.

00:35:13.220 So they think, you know, I can say the sky is blue.

00:35:16.280 That's a fact.

00:35:17.120 I can say I think the sky is blue.

00:35:18.760 That's an opinion, but it's a true opinion.

00:35:21.020 Now, if I say I like the blue sky or the blue sky pleases me, I guess that's a preference.

00:35:26.480 I prefer cheese sandwiches to ham sandwiches.

00:35:29.560 That's a preference.

00:35:30.820 But to say I think and then a statement of fact, that's an opinion.

00:35:35.400 But an opinion states fact.

00:35:37.940 Now, Jacob, this is a very frustrating issue when you talk to millennials about this.

00:35:44.560 They want conflict resolution, just as Ali has said.

00:35:48.360 But sometimes you need to push arguments to their extreme to actually get to an answer,

00:35:55.380 to actually see the world clearly.

00:35:57.660 What is to blame for this?

00:35:59.240 Why are millennials so afraid of conflict?

00:36:02.160 Is it the helicopter parenting?

00:36:04.340 Is it the anti-bullying campaigns?

00:36:07.260 Why are we so afraid of getting nitty and gritty in arguments with people?

00:36:11.600 I think it has to do with pop culture, honestly.

00:36:14.860 I mean, even if you grew up in the 90s like I did and you had the greatest version of the

00:36:19.320 Disney Channel original series, every problem is solved in 20 minutes or less, right?

00:36:25.980 And so whenever a problem goes beyond that 20-minute mark, you're like, I need a commercial

00:36:31.440 break right now.

00:36:32.580 So I think that it has to do with, I just want to resolve this quickly or it gets uncomfortable.

00:36:37.060 And just like, and also has something to do with, what Ali said, being judgmental.

00:36:41.740 We don't want to come off as judgmental, even if we know we're right.

00:36:45.600 So when we say, oh, abortion is murder, and then a leftist says, well, that's judgmental.

00:36:49.700 You're judging someone.

00:36:51.080 You're like, well, I'm judging whether the fact that this person has a life or not, and

00:36:55.960 if that life has intrinsic value.

00:36:57.680 And I think my judgment is correct.

00:36:59.580 And we just need to, millennials need to not be afraid, especially conservative millennials

00:37:03.400 need to not be afraid to stand up and say, look, this might not be solved in 20 minutes

00:37:07.760 or less.

00:37:08.160 We're just going to have to work it out and get all the facts.

00:37:11.540 It is totally an example of politics following culture, of the culture being so insidious

00:37:17.060 in ways we can't recognize.

00:37:18.620 I hadn't even considered that.

00:37:20.000 And on the judginess, the don't be judgy, don't be judgmental.

00:37:23.480 You hear this phrase sometimes now, which is don't yuck my yum.

00:37:26.860 Don't say that the thing I like is disgusting or something.

00:37:30.100 And the logical conclusion of this is what happened in the 20th century.

00:37:34.380 There's a major movement among leftist intellectuals to normalize pedophilia.

00:37:38.540 And now, obviously, this is in the air with, they say that Roy Moore, I guess that wasn't

00:37:43.280 pedophilia.

00:37:43.840 That was probably close to pedophilia. 0.90

00:37:46.460 It's a fibophilia. 0.89

00:37:47.340 It's post-pubescent girls. 0.99

00:37:48.340 But nevertheless, girls who are too young to be having sex with, and you're picking them 1.00

00:37:51.420 up. 0.79

00:37:51.780 There was this movement to normalize all of that.

00:37:54.740 And we should yuck that yum.

00:37:56.380 If somebody finds that yummy, let's yuck it, man.

00:37:58.460 We can't have too much of that. 0.95

00:38:01.100 And speaking of sex, in true reality TV form, we have to close on that. 0.85

00:38:06.180 The latest in Democrat sex scandals. 0.99

00:38:08.240 Bernie Sanders, you will recall, years ago claimed that women fantasize about gang rape. 0.87

00:38:13.000 Another woman has accused Democrat rep John Conyers of sexual harassment.

00:38:17.200 Democrat rep Al Green, we've learned, once threatened to sue a staffer that he had had

00:38:21.620 sex with because she threatened to go public.

00:38:24.000 And I am, by the way, I'm not making any accusations, lawyers who are watching this.

00:38:27.220 No accusations are being made.

00:38:28.900 However, Keith Olbermann is suddenly, unexpectedly, and inexplicably retiring from political media

00:38:33.800 in all forms.

00:38:34.860 One wonders how long before the accusations start rolling in.

00:38:38.120 Hmm.

00:38:38.360 I don't know.

00:38:40.000 I'll begin with the man on this panel, and then I can be educated by the ladies on this

00:38:43.920 panel.

00:38:44.600 Jacob, is any man ever going to be able to hold political office again? 1.00

00:38:48.540 Men are filthy dogs. 1.00

00:38:50.540 That's almost universally true. 1.00

00:38:52.760 How are men...

00:38:53.820 Forget how are men going to hold office anymore.

00:38:56.100 Why would they even run when all of their bizarre sexual experiences are going to come back

00:39:02.700 finally and bite them?

00:39:04.200 Well, I think that, yes, well, this is...

00:39:06.960 We have to be careful what is part of the hysteria and what is actually credible allegations.

00:39:12.880 And so as far as will men run again, I think so.

00:39:16.640 I think we'll see more of the Pence role being adopted.

00:39:20.300 You know, I'm going to go visit with this female staffer. 1.00

00:39:23.840 I'm going to meet with this female colleague, but I'm going to always have a chaperone. 1.00

00:39:27.800 But people aren't going...

00:39:28.700 But people are going to still say the Pence role is uncool because it just sounds so uncool,

00:39:33.160 you know.

00:39:33.380 But I honestly think that we'll see this being implemented more.

00:39:37.100 And as far as Keith Olbermann goes, I think...

00:39:39.300 I'm expecting to hear him joining the Young Turks or RT.

00:39:43.080 That's my prediction.

00:39:44.360 I could be wrong about that.

00:39:45.560 But that's, you know, what happened with Jesse Ventura.

00:39:48.340 And I expect that's going to happen with Keith Olbermann.

00:39:50.080 Well, fair enough, because he said he would retire from political commentary in all forms.

00:39:54.080 But the Young Turks is just incoherent babbling and profanities.

00:39:58.280 And RT is Russian propaganda.

00:39:59.860 And RT is Russian propaganda.

00:40:01.500 Alicia, this is definitely...

00:40:04.620 The pendulum is swinging.

00:40:05.740 We're quite in the opposite direction that we were in the 1990s.

00:40:09.160 Is that going to itself prompt a backlash?

00:40:11.600 Where is this going to settle?

00:40:12.840 Is this going to settle that any politician who's ever had an extramarital affair can't hold office?

00:40:19.320 You know, like every single politician ever on the face of the earth, maybe other than Mike Pence.

00:40:23.780 Or is this going to settle somewhere else?

00:40:25.840 Or Mitt Romney.

00:40:26.800 I mean, don't throw Romney under the bus.

00:40:28.280 I really think he was a good guy.

00:40:29.720 And when we wanted to elect a good guy versus, you know, Barack Obama, people were like, no.

00:40:33.660 He was too good.

00:40:34.300 Binderful of women? 1.00

00:40:35.120 What?

00:40:35.540 What is that?

00:40:36.880 It's true.

00:40:37.340 He was unrelatable.

00:40:38.100 He was too good.

00:40:38.580 I do find it kind of fascinating how I have conversations with liberal friends, and now they're coming to the side of, oh, yeah, even though they won't call it morality kind of things or rules and regulations, they are now coming to the side of things like the Pence rule seem cool.

00:40:53.000 I mean, look at all the praise that David Schwimmer got when he conducted that interview with the chaperone.

00:40:57.180 Everybody during the hashtag Me Too movement was like, oh, my God, he's such a gentleman.

00:41:01.300 That's so amazing.

00:41:02.560 But Mike Pence and David French do it, and it's, oh, my God, they're so anti-women. 0.99

00:41:07.460 They're monsters. 0.83

00:41:08.580 And I find it really weird, this convergence of right and left or moral and, you know, people that tend to be nonreligious and, you know, more immoral now saying that these old-fashioned rules can apply to 2017.

00:41:21.760 That's the wonder about the new Victorian era.

00:41:23.940 Allie, almost one in five married couples met at work, according to some study that, I don't know, it's somewhere.

00:41:30.340 All those studies are probably nonsense.

00:41:31.440 But they say, you know, we've seen this before.

00:41:34.120 A lot of people who are married meet at work, possibly up to 20%.

00:41:38.160 So now that we're in this new era where the pendulum has so flown the other way, will that lead to a neo-Victorianism where we can no longer make any comments about our coworkers or date at work or heaven for fend to get married to any of our coworkers?

00:41:55.600 Is that where that's going to end?

00:41:57.700 Well, I don't know.

00:41:59.160 I hope not.

00:41:59.780 I hope that 20% of people that have been at the office didn't start their relationship with some form of harassment or assault.

00:42:06.280 But I totally see what you're saying.

00:42:07.940 But what's the harassment?

00:42:08.860 That's the question.

00:42:09.520 Where's the line?

00:42:10.100 Exactly.

00:42:11.040 As you lower the standard of harassment or assault, of course, anything like eye contact or asking someone out to get a drink could be considered harassment or assault.

00:42:19.900 So maybe so.

00:42:21.420 I think that there might just need to be some more creative ways in order for people to start relationships at work.

00:42:27.800 I'm not too worried about that.

00:42:29.520 I am kind of worried about the trend moving in the direction you talked about, the pendulum swinging of us trivializing matters of flirting that aren't really or trivializing sexual assault by talking about flirting or asking someone out for a drink or denying someone who wanted to stay over or something like that.

00:42:52.020 I think that we need to be very clear with our definition of what sexual assault and sexual harassment is so we don't trivialize actual victims.

00:43:00.220 And that's the direction that I see us going in.

00:43:02.080 And I think that's probably what scares me the most.

00:43:04.840 And I will say, when Marshall flirts with me every day, I don't take that as harassment.

00:43:09.240 Maybe some people would call it harassment. 0.99

00:43:10.960 I'm actually flattered.

00:43:11.780 It's a compliment.

00:43:12.520 Yeah, it's a nice compliment.

00:43:13.560 You like it?

00:43:14.300 Yeah.

00:43:15.800 There's the harassment.

00:43:16.700 I hope HR was listening to that.

00:43:18.240 But yes, one answer might be gentlemanliness, chivalry.

00:43:22.180 Crazy ideas, I know.

00:43:23.740 But they are still out there.

00:43:25.520 And maybe that's the direction.

00:43:27.160 I know.

00:43:27.440 I'm such a bigoted patriarch.

00:43:29.580 Okay.

00:43:30.180 On that point, since I'm the patriarch, get out of here, you.

00:43:32.940 Get out of here, all of you.

00:43:34.020 Allie, Stuckey, Jacob Berry, and Alicia Krauss, thank you for being here, as always.

00:43:38.200 That is our entire show today.

00:43:39.660 We have a lot more to talk about.

00:43:42.020 But sorry, guys.

00:43:42.780 We're out of time.

00:43:43.660 My movement watch tells me we're out of time.

00:43:45.540 So we'll see you all tomorrow.

00:43:47.640 Get in your mailbag questions.

00:43:48.640 I know we missed it last week because of Thanksgiving.

00:43:50.480 So make sure that you get them in.

00:43:53.000 And we'll maybe do a little extended one.

00:43:54.660 I am Michael Knowles.

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00:43:58.640 The Michael Knowles Show is produced by Marshall Benson.

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The Michael Knowles Show - November 28, 2017

Ep. 65 - The Swampy Shore： Reality TV Reality

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