Ep. 650 - What’s Kraken？
Summary
A former federal prosecutor is promising to release the Kraken to prove that the 2020 election was stolen. In Sidney Powell s words during a wild press conference, President Trump actually won the election in a landslide and the left and the administrative state are trying to steal it from him. This is stunning, heartbreaking, infuriating and the most unpatriotic acts I can even imagine for people in this country to have participated in in any way, shape or form.
Transcript
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A former federal prosecutor is promising to release the Kraken to prove that the 2020 election
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was stolen. In Sidney Powell's words during a wild press conference, President Trump actually
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won the election in a landslide and the left and the administrative state and the media are trying
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to steal it from him. This is stunning, heartbreaking, infuriating and the most unpatriotic acts I can
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even imagine for people in this country to have participated in in any way, shape or form.
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And I want the American public to know right now that we will not be intimidated. American
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patriots are fed up with the corruption from the local level to the highest level of our government
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and we are going to take this country back. We are not going to be intimidated. We are not going to
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back down. We are going to clean this mess up now. President Trump won by a landslide. We are going
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to prove it and we are going to reclaim the United States of America for the people who vote for
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freedom. Those are pretty big claims, but are they true? The Trump team seems to be distancing
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themselves from Sidney Powell. The left and the right are uniting to attack Powell and even in some
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cases demanding that President Trump concede. And I feel as though I am the last patient man in America.
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We will break down what's Kraken. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show.
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Sidney Powell will release the Kraken. I will release all of the puns. I am going to use
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puns of Kraken in as many show titles as I possibly can. And I also am going to take this seriously.
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I think a lot of people are just rushing right now to attack the Trump legal team or to attack Trump,
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not just the left, but also Republicans too, as though we didn't have a legal process that is
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going to play out. Now, of course, as part of that legal process, we are going to have to see
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Durham, who says Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself, but he did vote for Joe Biden. That is
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almost certainly true, right? I'm not saying Jeffrey Epstein voted, but if he voted, the guy
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definitely voted for Joe Biden. Now, that is one aspect of voter fraud that you've seen historically
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in the United States, which is that nefarious political actors will fill in ballots for dead
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people. And, you know, you see this happen in every election almost to some degree. So the question
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is, does it happen enough to throw an election? That's not though quite what Sidney Powell is
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alleging here. There was a fairly long press conference on Friday with the Trump legal team,
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Rudy Giuliani, our friend Jenna Ellis, and Sidney Powell, who was there. They were all alleging sort
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of different things and different aspects of the irregularities that took place.
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Sidney Powell has gone the furthest. She's saying that there is a conspiracy. You know,
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the thing about conspiracy theories is sometimes there actually is a conspiracy. Very often there
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are not, but sometimes there are. And she says she's going to release the kraken. For those who don't
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know, the kraken is a giant Scandinavian octopus. It's a mythical beast that comes out and rips sailors
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down to their watery, watery deaths. And so she's saying, yes, I'm going to release this giant monster
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and show you that there's this, this giant tentacled thing that is all around our government.
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So what are the specific claims made in the press conference? The conference began with Rudy
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Giuliani and everyone's attacking Rudy because he's kind of an eccentric character and it looked like his
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hair dye was running down his face a little bit. But I have to tell you, I get such a kick out of
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Rudy Giuliani. I absolutely cannot attack the guy. One thing that people kept, kept hitting him for
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is because he made a reference to one of the greatest movies of all time, My Cousin Vinny.
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Did you all watch My Cousin Vinny? You know the movie? It's one of my favorite law movies
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because he comes from Brooklyn. And when the nice lady who said she saw, and then he, he says to her,
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how many fingers do I, how many fingers do I got up? And she says, uh, three. Well, she was too far
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away to see it was only two. These people were further away than my cousin Vinny was from the
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witness. So Rudy Giuliani is describing why the poll watchers who were not, Republican poll watchers
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were not permitted into the election centers in a number of places around the country, notably in
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Philadelphia. Even after there was a court order saying, Hey, you crooks, you got to let the
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Republican poll watchers in, in many places still wasn't happening. And even where Republican poll
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watchers were permitted in, often it was the case that the poll watchers had to stand, not just six
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feet away, 20 feet away, 50 feet away from where the votes were being counted. And so Rudy's using
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this example from My Cousin Vinny and saying, you can't see that closely. That is a, an evocative
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example. It's not, they say, why is Rudy talking about My Cousin Vinny? Well, because he's giving a
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news conference and he wants to get people's attention. That's a good way to do it. Another great moment
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during the press conference, again, has not terribly much to do with the specific allegations
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themselves, but I loved it nonetheless, is where Rudy taught the American public a word of Italian
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American slang, which is a stunad. You knew if you lived in Philadelphia, unless you're stunad, that's
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an Italian expression for stupid. Unless you're stupid, you knew that a lot of people were coming
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over from Camden to vote. They do every year. Happens all the time in Philly. It's about as
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frequent as getting beaten up at a Philadelphia Eagle basketball, a football game. Happens all
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the time, all the time. All the time. Stunad. This is, it does occur to me for people who are not of
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Italian extraction or are not from New York. You might not know that expression. It, it actually,
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Rudy's misstating it a little bit here. It comes from the Italian word stonato, which is like out of
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tune, you know, out of whack, not, not quite, uh, on, online, not quite in melody, melody or in
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harmony. Uh, so sure. Stupid. People are knocking Rudy for this. This is classic Rudy. This is why you
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hire Rudy Giuliani. He is not making an argument before a judge right now. Some critics are saying
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maybe they should focus all their efforts just on making arguments before a judge, but this is a
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press conference. This is designed to entertain you and to grab your attention and therefore, thereby
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to give you the facts. Donald Trump does this very well. He makes a big, big show and he gets
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everybody's attention and then people are paying attention to what he is telling them. That is what
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Rudy Giuliani is doing here. I find it charming and I really enjoyed it. Then there was, it's just one
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other moment that I thought it was perfect. I mean, you can see how Rudy and Trump have been friends
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for decades now. He's asked questions by the press and he takes some questions. He doesn't take other
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questions. And for one, he could tell they were kind of activists. They were a little bit more
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left wing. So he asks them, who are you with? What publication are you with?
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Perfect way to respond. Perfect way to respond to CNN. Just laugh in their face.
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This is the difference you're seeing between two types of Republicans here, two types of
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conservatives. The ones who are really nervous about what the left thinks of them and say that
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we need to rush to attack Giuliani and Jenna and Sidney Powell and Trump. And we need to rush to
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tell them to concede. And we need to rush to say, this is all crazy and there shouldn't be legal
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challenges. The ones who are, I don't know, what do you call them? I've been calling them the court
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jester conservatives. The ones who are willing to play according to the rules set by the liberals.
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That's one type of conservative here. And the other kind are the ones who just laugh,
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who laugh at CNN, who say, I don't care what you think of me, CNN. I don't care what you think of
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me, administrative state. I don't care what you think of me, left. You have no credibility,
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left wingers. You see this, especially when the left accuses conservatives of being racist or sexist
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or whatever, some is, some ism word. And there's some people who say, no, no, I'm not, please. You
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know, they really want to defend themselves against some calumnius charge. And then the other ones who say,
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who cares? I don't care what you say. You have no, you have absolutely no right to say that to me.
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You have no credibility. That's what Rudy is doing. And you know, he, he might have eccentricities.
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He might have foibles. His, his hair gel might run down his face, but that is the attitude. That
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is the only attitude that is going to be successful. I'm not saying it will be successful. I'm saying if
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we have a chance of being successful, the only way to do it is to tune out what the left is saying,
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tune, tune out the Stunad left. Then he gets to the specific allegations. Okay. And what Rudy is
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talking about here are voting irregularities, specifically the counting of illegal ballots.
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Now it's not necessarily the case that the voters themselves are ineligible to vote. Maybe they are,
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maybe they aren't, but that the ballots themselves, because of the mode in which they were transmitted,
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the mode in which they were counted are themselves illegal. And Rudy thinks there were lots and lots of
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these illegally counted ballots enough to throw them all out and overturn some of these state
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decisions. There are 60,000 ballots in Milwaukee County and 40,000 ballots in Madison that as far
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as we can tell, and this is why we've, we're auditing because we have very good information
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that the numbers are going to come out about here that don't have applications. Under the law of the
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state of Wisconsin already decided if there's no application for an absentee ballot, the absentee
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ballot is thrown away. This all happened in two places in Wisconsin. Didn't happen in northern
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Wisconsin. Didn't happen in Republican Wisconsin. Didn't happen in neutral Wisconsin, where there are
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equal number of Republicans than Democrats. It happened in a place where the vote was 75, 80% for the
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Democrat. Of course, we know this. We know that there are these crooked machine cities. We know that all
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the irregularities were happening in these crooked one party Democratic controlled cities. Is it enough to
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throw the election? Who knows? That's why there's a legal process playing out. But don't look me in the eye and
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tell me that everything was above board here. We know that it wasn't. We know, I mean, just to use
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that one example in Pennsylvania, we know that crooked election officials were violating court
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orders. For what purpose? Because everything was above board? I don't think so. We know that there were
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shenanigans that went on and Rudy is making an aggressive case that because of those shenanigans,
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you got to throw out those ballots. And if you throw out those ballots, maybe you can flip the states.
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If you flip the states, maybe you can flip the election. Very important to focus on ballot
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security. That's what Rudy's talking about. It's going to be a little bit different than what
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Sidney Powell's talking about. But what Rudy's talking about is the security of the ballot box
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excellent point here about Wisconsin. It's an aggressive point. The judges might not care.
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They might throw it out. There might be so many political considerations. They can't do it. They
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don't want to overturn the election in these states. There might be insufficient evidence.
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We don't know what Rudy has, but what he's describing is pretty significant. Then you get
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to the woman that everyone's talking about, Sidney Powell. Sidney Powell is not talking about dead
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people voting. Sidney Powell is not talking about the illegal counting of ballots in certain polling
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locations. Sidney Powell is alleging massive widespread electronic voter fraud. She's specifically
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alleging that the alphabet agencies, you're talking about agencies like the CIA, the FBI, that these
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agencies went in and manipulated votes. She's alleging that the software that we're describing here,
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Dominion Software is one piece that's come up, Smartmatic, another company that's come up,
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that this was constructed in cooperation with crooked governments that would steal elections.
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The alphabet agencies have been involved in this, and that basically there was a massive,
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not just national, but international conspiracy to steal this election. That is the claim. Actually,
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not last Friday, the Friday before when I was filling in for Rush, we spoke to Rudy Giuliani,
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and he, Mayor Giuliani brought up that there were huge, shocking issues with Dominion and Smartmatic.
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So it wasn't just Sidney Powell making this argument, though. She was the only one making this argument
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at the press conference. So here is Sidney Powell's grand claim.
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One of its most characteristic features is its ability to flip votes. It can set and run an algorithm
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that probably ran all over the country to take a certain percentage of votes from President Trump
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and flip them to President Biden, which we might never have uncovered had the votes for President
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Trump not been so overwhelming in so many of these states that it broke the algorithm that had been
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plugged into the system. And that's what caused them to have to shut down in the states they shut down in.
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So she's saying that, and we remember this on election night, for some reason, the vote counting
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stopped just for, and then in some places it continued, even though it was continuing
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behind closed doors illegally, not the way it was supposed to be done. Why did that happen?
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Sidney Powell said it's happening because people were electronically trying to steal the election
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and so many people voted for Trump, they had to go in and fix it somehow. Okay. We don't,
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we don't have evidence for it. We just have the circumstances that Sidney Powell is bringing up,
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and we have her claims. And, and I should point out, Sidney Powell has had a real career. She was an
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assistant U.S. attorney, federal prosecutor. She was the lawyer for Mike Flynn. So this is not,
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you know, some lady sitting with tinfoil, a tinfoil hat on. Now, I don't know, maybe she's
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gone completely insane. That's an allegation against her. Maybe she is, maybe she hasn't. Maybe she's a
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very serious lawyer and she actually has the goods. We don't know. She has been going on news shows over
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the past weekend to give greater detail on some of her claims. This isn't a summary judgment motion
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where we actually have to produce any evidence. Now your typical lawsuit, you just file a statement
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of what the charges are without any affidavits or anything. But are you saying you're going to file
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the same? The way the media is going about this is absolutely ridiculous and unreasonable to expect
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us to put evidence in right now. Although we are, we know election issues are on an expedited schedule,
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but I could wait a month to file the fraud case and everybody would have to undo their
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certifications because it's so bad. But are you saying you're going to file the same
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case in multiple jurisdictions or in one jurisdiction? Each one's a little bit different
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depending on what happened in the state. The different manner and means and the evidentiary
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aspects that support each one. You know, we've got different affidavits from different witnesses in
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each of the states. So there are going to be some differences between them, but they're going to be
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claims that are identical. Some of the legal claims are going to be identical. For example,
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in a number of states, there were modifications to the machine after the statutory cutoff date
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that should invalidate every vote cast on the machine. So she's sticking with her story and she's
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giving more examples that we haven't seen a ton of hard evidence just yet. Since these interviews,
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the Trump legal team has distanced itself from Sidney Powell. They sent out a message last night
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said, Sidney Powell is practicing law on her own. She's not a member of the Trump legal team. She is
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also not a lawyer for the president in his personal capacity. That was a memo that came out from Rudy
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Giuliani and Jenna Ellis who are on the Trump legal team. Now in the past, President Trump has
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described Sidney Powell as a member of the Trump legal team. I don't know that Sidney Powell has ever
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described herself as a member of the Trump legal team. I think she's described herself as a supporter
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of the president, but I haven't seen her do that. News shows have described her as a member of the
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Trump legal team. But again, I don't know that she has herself. Now Powell, for her part, has
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responded to the statement. Powell, for some reason, was kicked off of Twitter when all of this came out.
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So she couldn't defend herself on Twitter. It's a little strange. And Powell responds and says,
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I understand today's press release. I will continue to represent we the people who had their votes for
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Trump and other Republicans stolen by massive fraud through Dominion and Smartmatic. And we will be
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filing suit soon. The chips will fall where they may and we will defend the foundations of this great
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republic. Hashtag cracking on steroids. So Sidney Powell, totally doubling down. And unless you
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think, by the way, that the Trump legal team is totally shocked by what Sidney Powell was saying,
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go back to the Rush Limbaugh show, not three days ago, not this past Friday, but the Friday before that
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when I was filling in, Rudy Giuliani bringing up similar issues, maybe not with the same ferocity,
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maybe not with the same grandiosity, but he is bringing up the same issues with Dominion
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and Smartmatic. What do we make of all of this? I think that just about every single person in
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What do we make of all of this? Is Sidney Powell single-handedly saving the republic?
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Is Sidney Powell completely insane? Is President Trump going to win the election?
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Is President Trump destroying the republic by not conceding?
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Ah, my goodness gracious. Am I the last patient person in the world? Am I the last calm,
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non-hysterical person on planet Earth? Sometimes it feels that way. We have liberals on the one hand
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disingenuously demanding that President Trump concede before the legal process plays out,
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before the process within our constitutional framework plays out. Then on the other hand,
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we have fretful conservatives nervously demanding that Trump concede as well.
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And even more of them attacking Powell, first chance they get.
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Even, you know, prominent cable news hosts who usually are considered pretty conservative or
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usually pretty hardcore, slamming Powell. Why? I think my take is completely different than all of
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these. My take is chill. Calm down. There's a process here. They will have their day in court.
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Sidney Powell will have her day in court. She will file her claims and argue them before the judge,
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or she won't. If she doesn't, then obviously she doesn't have the goods. If she does,
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she will argue the claims. The evidence will be presented then. Maybe the evidence will be convincing.
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Maybe it won't. Even if the evidence is convincing, maybe the judge won't care anyway.
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But maybe the evidence isn't convincing. It'll be thrown out and then we will know who the president
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is when the courts make their ruling. Has, has everybody forgotten that patience is a virtue?
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It's okay. You don't need to, we don't need to rush to slam some conservative lawyer. We don't need
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to rush to concede an election. We also don't need to rush and say there, we have a hundred percent
00:23:26.580
proof that the election was stolen and Biden's completely ill. We don't need to rush toward any
00:23:31.140
of that. It's not going to do any good, is it? There is a process that is going to decide who
00:23:35.480
the president is, whether we like it or not. And that is, that's not even just some process that
00:23:40.500
was cooked up in the last five or 10 years by some nefarious progressives. That's a process that we've
00:23:45.280
had for centuries in this country. And that's what's going to happen. And, and there's no reason
00:23:50.560
necessarily to overthrow that. There's no reason to rush that process as well. Bush v. Gore lasted
00:23:56.460
something like 38 days. How many days are we into this now? We're 20 days in? Okay. Seems to me like
00:24:04.460
we still have time. And there are a lot more states up for dispute. There's a lot more evidence of
00:24:08.060
irregularities today in the 2020 election than there ever were in 2000 with the hanging chads in Florida.
00:24:14.160
Okay. The election is not over, but there is a distinct, or I suppose maybe a more than distinct
00:24:22.200
possibility that when this process plays out in court, the courts will name Joe Biden the president.
00:24:28.320
And Joe Biden, I'm sorry to say, has not been instilling confidence in all of us if he does
00:24:35.160
ascend to the presidency. Take a listen to some, some soaring rhetoric recently from Mr. Biden.
00:24:40.300
They talked about that in some detail. Thirdly, we discussed the need to help states with title
00:24:46.840
32 funding for the national guard. That's a fancy way of saying governors, governors need to be able
00:24:53.680
to get funding when they dispo, when they just, they need to, uh, and bring, bring their national
00:25:01.000
guard into play. And national guards are going to have to play this. It costs a lot of money.
00:25:05.620
Ah, yes. I forgot about the, what was that? Huh? What'd you say? Come again?
00:25:11.200
What the Biden team has been doing with what liberals have been doing is they're blaming this
00:25:14.980
on Joe Biden's childhood stutter. You see, so if you, uh, in any way question Joe Biden's,
00:25:22.160
uh, mental faculties, if you in any way question his ability to communicate ideas,
00:25:28.160
you are, you're mean, you're cruel, you're ableist. You are making fun of this trait that he had no
00:25:35.080
control over that he's had since he was a child. The problem with that argument, of course,
00:25:39.400
is that Joe Biden's childhood stutter mysteriously disappeared for 70 years, right? He had, I guess
00:25:46.720
he had it when he was a child. He's 78 years old now. He had it when he was a child. Then it went
00:25:52.400
away. And then he had a 50 year political career, 47 years to be precise, 47 year political career,
00:25:59.660
no stutter. No, the childhood stutter was fixed. And then the childhood stutter comes back
00:26:04.720
at age 76, 77, 78. That's no longer a childhood stutter. That's something different. That's evidence
00:26:12.820
of cognitive decline that I don't think anybody, if you caught any of the Biden staffers in a moment
00:26:19.080
of honesty. I don't think any of them would deny. So then Joe Biden clarifies, quote unquote, what he's
00:26:26.080
thinking. We talked a lot about what the governor is about, what the immediate needs are. I'm going to,
00:26:31.680
we're going to impose the, we're going to enforce the, excuse me, employ the Defense Reconstructed Act
00:26:38.060
to be able to go out there and dictate companies build and do following things. We need much more
00:26:45.840
testing. We need much more masking. I mean, that's more, we need gloves. I asked them East to go and
00:26:51.060
ask the National Governor Association through the Governor Cuomo and the ones on the line to let us
00:26:55.920
know what their shortages are, what they anticipate. This is so embarrassing. The left has been saying
00:27:01.480
now for years that Trump is so embarrassing. Donald Trump is Pericles compared to Joe Biden. Donald Trump
00:27:06.560
is Abraham Lincoln in his soaring oratory compared to Joe Biden. And in his moral clarity and in his
00:27:15.480
political vision, the clarity of that vision, it's very difficult to believe the claims of voter fraud
00:27:23.620
that are, specifically they're being made by Sidney Powell. Not, not because I don't think it's possible
00:27:29.220
that they have, I think it is possible. It's just because of how grand it would be. Because of how
00:27:35.620
significant that kind of an issue would be if really, you know, the bureaucracy and the administrative
00:27:42.680
state are colluding with these, these different election officials in already, we know, corrupt
00:27:46.920
states and cities to, to steal an election on that, on that massive organized scale, which is, which is
00:27:52.660
different than just, you know, an irregularity here and a little crookedness and a little cheating
00:27:56.300
here and there. So it is hard to believe that. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's hard to believe
00:28:01.080
that. Then on the other hand, it's much harder to believe the deep staters, the bureaucracy,
00:28:08.940
the administrative state that spied on president Trump in 2016, that tried to stage a legal coup
00:28:14.980
d'etat in the ensuing three and a half years through countless investigations through a completely
00:28:20.380
illegitimate impeachment and so forth. So it's, you can't believe them. You certainly can't believe
00:28:25.360
them. And, and you certainly a hundred percent can't believe the media who have spent not just
00:28:29.920
years, but decades lying to you. Who do we believe? My take is we wait for the evidence and just,
00:28:37.360
we stay calm, stay cool. When you get really worked up, when you get really angry, when you get
00:28:41.940
really red in the face, you make mistakes. You do things that you will regret later. Stay cool.
00:28:48.200
Don't let them, don't let the left troll you into that kind of madness. Stay cool. Stay calm. Have
00:28:56.740
faith. It'll work out. You know, there's that line, my, my friend and priest, Father Rutler,
00:29:02.080
George Rutler says, difference between a Scottish optimist and a Scottish pessimist. Scottish
00:29:06.160
pessimist says things can't get any worse. Scottish optimist says, oh yes, they can.
00:29:10.900
I think that same thing can be said of conservatives. You know, it might, it might not work out. We know
00:29:15.680
at a certain point the culture is going to keep getting worse and worse and worse. That's something
00:29:19.080
we can be sure of. And so we'll, we will just have to wait and see grit and bear it and have courage,
00:29:24.680
which is the prerequisite for all of the other virtues. And we can fight back. You know, our wonderful
00:29:29.280
press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany is fighting back. That press secretary who makes all of our
00:29:33.280
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While we wait, while we try to figure out what happened in 2020, we don't need to just roll
00:31:09.060
over. You know, we can push back where we can. Rudy Giuliani did that and Kayleigh McEnany doing
00:31:14.820
that as well. A bunch of those hyenas in the press pool were screaming at her in the White House
00:31:19.980
briefing room. And she made clear she feels no obligation to call on radical left reporters.
00:31:25.840
Thank you, everyone, for the very good and substantive questions today.
00:31:32.840
I don't call on activists, nor should she, nor should she. I'm all for calling on real reporters
00:31:48.800
who are having a good faith conversation, but not for activists. This is actually something
00:31:52.580
that I've realized in online discussions, in public debates, you know, whenever people challenge you
00:32:01.120
to a debate or these sorts of things. I think it is good to have good faith debate. I think that is
00:32:07.180
a good thing. I love doing it. It's one of my favorite things to do. And I think it is not only
00:32:11.180
pointless, but damaging and counterproductive to engage in bad faith debates. There are a number of
00:32:16.860
leftist blue checks who all they want to do is make bad faith arguments. And then if you kind of
00:32:21.220
poke some holes in those arguments and you try to take the discussion further to a deeper and more
00:32:25.300
interesting place, they won't do it. Maybe because they're not capable of it, but certainly because
00:32:29.580
they're not interested in that. You have no responsibility to engage in that kind of a
00:32:34.680
debate. I actually think it's just a temptation and it's something wrong to do to engage in that
00:32:39.640
kind of debate. And that's what Kayleigh McEnany is saying. She's saying, I'm not, no, I don't talk to
00:32:43.180
actors. I talk to reporters. If you want to be a reporter, I'll talk to you. If you're just going to be an
00:32:48.040
activist, that's not what this is for. That's not what the White House briefing room is for.
00:32:52.540
Speaking of activists in the media, there is one who just went a bit viral for expressing
00:33:00.120
a view that I think is actually pretty common on the left. And it is, it should make us all
00:33:04.960
just a wee bit worried if Joe Biden becomes president. The Pulitzer Prize winning art critic,
00:33:11.240
Jerry Saltz, I believe he said, was he a New York Times magazine or so? He's somewhere. He's a very
00:33:16.080
prominent art critic. Jerry Saltz is now suggesting that Republicanism, conservatism should not be
00:33:24.940
tolerated. He writes, Republicanism is no longer a political problem. Republicanism is a social
00:33:32.140
problem. It must be treated in the same way coronavirus is treated. It has to be isolated
00:33:37.500
and snuffed out by repressing it in about 70% of the population. Isolated and snuffed out. This,
00:33:44.580
first of all, Jerry Saltz probably knows more about art than I do. I assume he does. He might not have
00:33:50.820
the correct views on art, but at least in terms of just knowing of that, he might, he might. That's
00:33:56.000
his area of expertise. But he doesn't know a damn thing about politics. Just listen to this nonsense
00:34:01.500
sentence. Republicanism is no longer a political problem. It is a social problem. Political problems
00:34:07.980
are social problems and social problems are political problems. Politics means what we do together.
00:34:13.240
Politics means how we all engage and live together. It comes from the Greek city state,
00:34:18.980
the polis. That's what it, that's all it means. The left has tried to narrow the realm of politics.
00:34:24.540
It's ironic. What the left has done is both make everything political. Your sneakers are political.
00:34:29.220
The coffee you drink is political. Everything now is political. The shows you watch, the sports you
00:34:32.880
watch are all political. Except for politics. Then politics is no longer political. Areas that are
00:34:38.300
open for public debate by citizens are now taken out of that political sphere.
00:34:46.280
So everything, it's, their views are, are totally contradictory on this. But the reason is in a
00:34:53.540
traditional American polity, we might just, if you wear a certain set of sneakers and I wear a certain
00:34:59.380
set of sneakers, we just choose not to engage in that. We, we, we think, okay, that's sort of beyond
00:35:04.840
the realm of important political discussion. Yeah, it's public yet. I guess it relates to how we are,
00:35:10.500
but we're, we're going to, we're going to focus on the issues that really matter.
00:35:13.540
We're going to prioritize our issues. And what the left has done is totally flip that. So all the
00:35:17.280
really important questions, how our government is set up, how elections are conducted, who gets to come
00:35:21.980
into the country, whether you can kill babies, whether you can execute mass murderers or serial killers
00:35:27.900
or rapists or, or, uh, teenager murderers, you know, which we're actually going to get to in a
00:35:32.920
second. That is taken out of the realm and that's given to experts and scientists and lab coats who
00:35:38.480
are deemed to rule us better than we rule ourselves. This guy went viral and people are attacking him
00:35:43.640
for it. I don't think he's calling for the mass murder of conservatives as some people do. I don't
00:35:47.960
think he's even particularly radical. I think this is the mainstream, mainstream left-wing and liberal
00:35:53.320
view. I think he's just saying out loud, which is that conservative views are illegitimate.
00:35:59.880
They should not be permitted in the public sphere. We need to reeducate all the conservatives so that
00:36:05.520
they are, they're not conservative anymore. And they need to get with the program because progress
00:36:09.540
is now, it's no longer a matter of politics. It is a scientific matter. We're going to give it to
00:36:14.360
the experts. The constitution is inadequate to govern the country. We've got to be governed under
00:36:18.900
this organic bureaucracy. It's going to, maybe it's going to be a little capricious,
00:36:23.600
but it's going to have energy and pull us toward utopia and toward progress. I think that's what
00:36:27.940
they believe. I think that's what progressives have believed since at least Woodrow Wilson.
00:36:31.300
And this guy's just saying it. It's about time that we recognize it because the left is becoming
00:36:37.000
more brazen in the way that they're trying to bring that about. If Joe Biden becomes president,
00:36:42.620
especially if those two Republican senators in Georgia lose their runoff races, we're in a bad
00:36:49.900
position. The Democrats have already told us they're going to get rid of the filibuster. They're
00:36:53.980
going to add two new states. They've promised us, DC and Puerto Rico, which would fundamentally shift
00:36:59.360
the balance of power in the country. It would destroy the Republican party at the presidential level.
00:37:04.760
It would destroy the Republican party as a national governing party.
00:37:07.220
They would obviously institute their radical agenda, issues like the Green New Deal,
00:37:16.980
mass redistribution of wealth, a new racial caste system, which they've been pushing for,
00:37:21.180
all those sorts of things. That is now a mainstream view. Now there is some pushback.
00:37:26.820
There is a little bit of push. I mean, the place you see the scientific view of politics most clearly
00:37:31.620
is with this coronavirus epidemic where the experts who now, I guess, rule us more than the
00:37:37.120
elected officials. They just changed their mind. One day they said, you can't wear a mask. It's the
00:37:41.300
scientific view. If you wear a mask, you're an idiot, you're harming people. Then the day after
00:37:44.700
that, they say, you have to wear a mask. If you don't wear a mask, you're harming people. And we
00:37:48.020
just have to pretend like they didn't say the other thing the day before. We just have to pretend like
00:37:52.120
they're not contradicting themselves. We're not allowed to ask a question. If you even ask a question,
00:37:56.240
you are killing people because you're depriving the scientific government of energy.
00:38:00.080
And that is irresponsible. It's reckless. It's anti-American. There is some pushback
00:38:05.380
against that, against that creeping bureaucracy that governs according to quote unquote scientific
00:38:10.740
norms. That's outside the bounds of constitutional government. Just up in Buffalo, New York,
00:38:15.340
a guy had his business raided by these thugs from the government. These thugs came in and they wanted
00:38:21.020
to make him wear masks and they wanted to enforce all of these capricious rules that are written by
00:38:25.240
egghead bureaucrats and change every single day. And this business owner wasn't going to take it
00:38:30.120
anymore. And this business owner stood up to those cops and told them to get out of his store.
00:38:35.380
People actually work for their money and they don't want to lose their livelihood. I've lost
00:38:39.580
friends. I've lost family who've killed themselves. I've seen clients die because they've lost their
00:38:44.420
livelihood. I'm sorry to hear that. I know you are. And I'm just, I'm asking for you to guys have
00:38:48.620
some compassion for the people that have lost everything. We do have compassion for people.
00:38:53.800
Okay. Well, you need to go have compassion out in the parking lot. This is private property.
00:38:57.100
This is private property. This is private property. It's private property. Listen,
00:39:03.940
man, this is private property. They're not wanted here. So do your jobs. Well, her job is. Well,
00:39:09.660
no, no, your job is to remove people that are not wanted here. They're not.
00:39:14.300
She's hiding her name. She had her name. They're just doing that job. There we go.
00:39:20.480
You should don't be wearing masks. I'm not doing anything wrong.
00:39:23.100
Don't worry about my health. My health isn't your concern. You're meant to be wearing a
00:39:26.280
mask. Is it going to be wearing a mask? Okay. Well then write me up. It's the law. Okay. Then
00:39:29.240
take me to jail. It's not the law. Then take me to jail. Show me the law. Show me the law.
00:39:36.980
I don't know why that one sheriff's deputy sounds like he's vaguely British or Canadian or something,
00:39:52.720
but it's so fitting because you get this American, just great American man. And he's like,
00:39:57.320
get out of my business. You people are violating the law. GTFO basically, right? That's the subtext
00:40:03.640
of everything he's saying. And then this, this ridiculous bureaucrat, this, this awful
00:40:11.820
underminer of our, of our legal order. He goes, well, you, you, you're, you're meant to be wearing
00:40:15.980
a mask. You're, you're, you're, you're, come on, you should be, well, where's the law? Show it's,
00:40:20.420
oh, you should wear a mask. Come on. It's not a big deal. Well, if it's not a big deal,
00:40:24.140
why are you invading my business? Why are you, isn't it, doesn't this risk more lives by you coming
00:40:30.500
in here? You could spread it. Who knows? It'd be a super spreader event.
00:40:33.640
No, it's just a flex of power. Well, you're meant to be wearing a mask. No, I'm not.
00:40:38.920
I'm not meant to be wearing a mask. I'm a human being and I'm meant to breathe fresh air and I'm
00:40:43.620
meant to be a social creature and I'm meant to see other people and see smiles and communicate
00:40:48.440
with people because that is the, what perhaps the defining feature of my humanity. So I'm not meant
00:40:53.380
to be wearing a mask. These guys don't back down. And finally, because they can't produce a
00:41:00.280
warrant the cops, they can't, they got nothing. Finally, they leave.
00:41:04.680
You don't get to violate the constitution. It's just the code. It's not the law. It's the
00:41:10.360
code that some bureaucrat wrote. So you have no legal remedies to that.
00:41:16.200
You guys just start chanting at these, these just dunce cops.
00:41:19.920
they're on the phone. I don't know why the Americans won't let us come in and take away
00:41:32.440
all of their rights and invade their businesses. Yeah, damn right. Damn right. The left is furious
00:41:41.120
that they can't come up with new codes every single day, capricious new regulations and
00:41:45.820
enforce them willy-nilly. But then the left is furious when just laws are actually enforced.
00:41:52.500
Give you an example. Just over the past few days, Orlando Hall was executed by the state.
00:41:59.280
Orlando Hall, and people are very upset. I think he was a black man, so they're making a racial issue
00:42:03.720
out of this as well. Obviously, it has nothing to do with his crime or the way he was convicted and
00:42:08.860
the way that he was executed. But they're trying to make a racial issue out of it. Then they're
00:42:12.500
trying to say the death penalty is illegitimate per se. Here's one writer from The Atlantic.
00:42:16.720
There will never be a day when the death penalty is anything other than utterly cruel and barbaric.
00:42:21.820
But this execution is made particularly horrific by the fact that Orlando Hall
00:42:25.720
is the first person to be executed by a lame duck administration in over 100 years.
00:42:32.680
No, he was executed by the criminal justice system and a lame duck administration is another term for
00:42:38.380
the administration. It's another term for the duly elected president and the man who's tasked
00:42:42.420
with the responsibility to execute the laws. And when the law says so, to execute criminals.
00:42:48.000
Ayanna Pressley, who is the Ringo Starr of the squad, says we must abolish the death penalty. Joe Biden,
00:42:53.460
same thing, expresses his opposition to the death penalty. This is one area where conservatives
00:42:59.060
sometimes go a little squishy and get it wrong. Probably because they're following their right lights,
00:43:04.540
you know, but they just get it a little off in the beginning. Who was this poor man who was executed
00:43:10.600
by the state? Orlando Hall was convicted of kidnapping a 16-year-old Texas girl, then repeatedly
00:43:20.360
raping her, then bludgeoning her on the head with a shovel, but not killing her. He buried her alive
00:43:26.900
after he bludgeoned her with the shovel. And then because she didn't die, he doused her with gasoline
00:43:31.860
and lit her on fire. That guy, that's the guy. That's the great cause that the left is taking up.
00:43:41.060
Say, well, it's wrong for the state to kill a man. Why? Well, according to what standard?
00:43:47.060
Christianity, the Bible explicitly defends, St. Paul explicitly defends capital punishment.
00:43:53.800
The great doctors of the church explicitly defend capital punishment. St. Thomas Aquinas explicitly
00:43:58.740
defends capital punishment. Well, the, no, the church though, Catholics in particular talk about
00:44:02.820
this. Many popes not only defended the death penalty, they carried them out. Blessed Pope Pius
00:44:10.920
IX carried out many death penalties in the papal states. Justice is an important thing. Mercy is
00:44:20.520
wonderful too, especially at a personal level, but justice must be carried out. The idea that you can
00:44:25.220
give a man, I don't know, 30 years or 50 years in prison and that that's totally fine, not morally
00:44:31.740
questionable at all, but that by killing a man for the crime, letting a man stand up and hang or stand
00:44:37.320
up with a cigarette in front of a firing squad and take his just punishment, that that is somehow
00:44:41.800
unjust, immoral. It's morally incoherent to say that. Totally incoherent.
00:44:48.460
The, the victims here have some claim to justice and the state has a responsibility to exact
00:44:56.140
justice. You know, the left does pick very unpopular issues here. Very, a very, it's very
00:45:04.420
bizarre. Obviously their, their crazed opposition to the death penalty would be one example, but
00:45:10.120
another example would be this Green New Deal. So AOC, I was holding, just to show you the popularity
00:45:14.940
of the Green New Deal, $93 trillion program that would utterly upend American society and
00:45:19.280
basically overturn the constitution. AOC holds an event for the Green New Deal. She's there. She's
00:45:23.280
in the background. These two activists show up and they're so earnest and they're so ready. Oh my
00:45:28.080
gosh, you can hear the enthusiasm in everybody's voices. We're about to sing a song called We Are
00:45:32.520
Standing For Our Futures. If you know the song, sing along. If you don't know it, listen and then
00:45:37.720
sing in when you figure it out. All right. We are standing for our futures. We are healing what is
00:45:45.440
wrong. We are standing for our futures and together we are strong. This is so sad. You see like two
00:45:53.520
people in the background clapping. Even AOC can't really muster the energy to do it. We are standing
00:45:58.340
for our futures and together we are strong. Even like sort of middle-aged women who would usually
00:46:04.480
be enthusiastic for this. I can't do it. We are healing what is wrong. We are standing for our
00:46:10.140
futures and together we are strong. We are standing for our futures. We are healing what is wrong.
00:46:18.060
No, no verse. They never get to a verse. Don't get to a bridge. One more time. One more time,
00:46:25.460
everybody. Please, any of you, can you sing along? Now AOC is trying to end this place. You're making
00:46:32.980
my legislation look so sad. We are standing for our future. Is that going to be our future?
00:46:39.440
Is the Green New Deal going to be our future? Is the administrative state going to be our future?
00:46:43.820
future? Is ceding more and more control over to absolutely idiotic scientific eggheads going to
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