The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 681 - With Trump Gone, They’re Coming For You

00:00:00.000 You remember when President Trump during the campaign posted that meme to Twitter and it was

00:00:05.700 a picture of him and it said, they're not coming after me. They're coming after you.

00:00:11.560 And I just happened to be in the way. I thought it was one of the high points of the 2020 campaign

00:00:18.400 and Jack Dorsey, Twitter CEO, just proved it true. Jack Dorsey obviously just

00:00:24.980 deplatformed President Trump the other day. He was just caught on a hidden camera, I believe from

00:00:30.500 Project Veritas, pointing out on a phone call, this is not about Trump. The censorship is going

00:00:37.000 to be much, much broader. We do intend to do a full retro, as I said in my note, it is going to take

00:00:44.240 some time. And then the other thing just to, just to close out a little bit, we, you know, we, we are

00:00:52.160 focused on one account right now, but this is going to be much bigger than just one account.

00:00:57.300 And it's going to go on for much longer than just this day, this week, the next few weeks. It's

00:01:02.060 going to go on beyond the inauguration. We have to expect that. We have to be ready for that.

00:01:07.400 So the focus is certainly on this account and how it ties to real world violence, but also

00:01:14.740 we need to think much longer term around how these dynamics play out over time. I don't believe this

00:01:22.820 is going away anytime soon. And the moves that we're making today around UNON, for instance, is one

00:01:30.460 such example of a much broader approach that we should be looking at and going deeper on. So the team

00:01:39.040 has a lot of work and a lot of focus on this particular issue. We also need to give them the

00:01:44.800 space and the support to focus on the much bigger picture. Much bigger, much broader. You see, he's

00:01:51.560 using the excuse of real world violence to take Trump off of Twitter. Doesn't really justify it at

00:01:58.020 all. Doesn't, it doesn't explain the real world violence that Trump is inciting, right? Trump is

00:02:03.480 tweeting on saying, be peaceful, be peaceful, be peaceful. But he's basically admitting that's just an

00:02:07.680 excuse because this is going to be much broader. Then he says, okay, and then we're going to broaden

00:02:11.940 out and talk about QAnon. But even that, that's not the extent of it. This is going to be much,

00:02:18.100 much broader. It's going to go on for weeks and months. It's going to go on past the inauguration.

00:02:23.940 Big tech, the ruling liberal regime of which big tech plays a role, has had it with conservatives and

00:02:31.480 they want to ostracize us from society. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show.

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00:05:16.000 They say, make your own Twitter if you're a conservative. And then you make your own Twitter

00:05:22.700 and they kick you off of the internet. Parler tried this. Parler was Dan Bongino's platform.

00:05:28.700 You know, there was the Twitter alternative. Then they, they go and, you know, they were getting

00:05:33.740 a lot of new members when Twitter starts purging right-wingers. And then Amazon Web Services kicks

00:05:38.900 Parler off. We were told that Parler was supposed to be back today. Parler is not back today.

00:05:44.340 Parler, according to its CEO, may never return. Why? Is it, is it because Parler just doesn't have

00:05:53.140 a good business model? I don't think so. I think Parler can attract a lot of money. I mean, you've

00:05:57.800 heard people, financial analysts talking about how well Parler is doing. Is it because Parler doesn't

00:06:04.640 have a good user base? No. Parler, last I checked, had 2.3 million active users and 15 million total

00:06:13.320 users. And that, by the way, was before this crazy week of kicking Trump off of Twitter and

00:06:18.880 everybody going over to Parler. So I'm sure that number went up considerably, many multiples perhaps.

00:06:24.320 Well, it's not because of that. It's because the left does not want the right to have any say. They

00:06:31.560 want the right to be totally ostracized. It's not about Trump. That is a distraction. It's not about

00:06:38.900 QAnon. That is a distraction. It's about you. It's about the 75 million Trump voters. People who

00:06:47.640 mainstream leftists have said are Nazis, neo-Nazi, white supremacist, and therefore totally 0.96

00:06:56.380 should, should not be permitted in society. It's, it's interesting on a few levels how this works,

00:07:02.780 because what they do, they've been doing this for a long time. They call you deplorable,

00:07:06.040 irredeemable, bitter clingers, right? All these sort of ways to dismiss you and, and justify taking 0.86

00:07:12.140 you out of society. But the, the top charge probably is that you're a Nazi, right? You've 0.57

00:07:18.540 been hearing this ever since Gore Vidal was debating Bill Buckley many, many years ago. He said,

00:07:23.980 you're a crypto Nazi. And Bill Buckley threatened to punch him in his face. They call you Nazis because 0.99

00:07:29.820 that, that is in popular culture considered the embodiment, the incarnation of pure evil, right? There

00:07:35.620 can be nothing even close to that amount of evil. Why is communism not considered on that level?

00:07:43.820 Communism, a bloodier ideology, right? And, and certainly I think in the ballpark of wickedness and

00:07:51.300 how pernicious these ideologies are, right? Why is it perfectly fine to be a communist? Why are you

00:07:57.660 permitted to wear a Che Guevara t-shirt? Could you imagine if you were a Nazi t-shirt? Oh my goodness 0.75

00:08:02.220 gracious. You can wear Che Guevara. You can wear Chairman Mao. You could probably wear a Stalin t-shirt

00:08:07.580 on a college campus. Wouldn't get you into any sort of trouble. It's a strange, strange double

00:08:13.740 standard. Meanwhile, the 75 million Americans who voted for Trump are not Nazis, but it doesn't matter.

00:08:21.300 Because if you, if you just say 75 million people disagree with me, they're not liberals,

00:08:25.180 they're not very progressive, then it's hard to justify kicking them, not just off of social media,

00:08:29.580 but out of banks, out of their jobs, out of their livelihoods, right? But if you say they're

00:08:34.100 Nazis, then yeah, sure. We don't want, we don't want to do business with Hitler, do we? All of this, 0.63

00:08:39.580 of course, in the final days of the Trump first term, some people saying the Trump administration,

00:08:46.440 he could run again unless they somehow convict him, impeach and convict, which they're not going

00:08:51.700 to do in the next few days. But all of this, we hear time and time and time again is, I guess,

00:08:58.320 the only other superlative, not just to say they're Nazis or white supremacists. The other

00:09:02.920 thing that you hear all the time is that this is worse than Watergate. And for our daily worse

00:09:08.100 than Watergate analysis, we turn to left-wing hack, Carl Bernstein, who sort of was involved

00:09:14.720 in Watergate and has made an entire career out of it. The Nixon comparison, part of your reporting

00:09:20.500 is interesting. We wanted to bring in someone who masterfully told the story of Nixon's final

00:09:24.460 days. Carl Bernstein, the investigative journalist, is also now a CNN political analyst. Carl,

00:09:29.480 President Trump lashing out over comparisons to Nixon is particularly interesting. In many ways,

00:09:34.880 you and I talked about this, I think it was last night, the end to this presidency,

00:09:39.440 you were saying, is much worse than Nixon's.

00:09:42.460 Well, first of all, Nixon was not a secessionist, seditious president of the United States who inspired

00:09:50.460 and celebrated a riot to burn down the Capitol, which is really what occurred. He encouraged it.

00:10:00.060 Those people went there because of his incitement. Nixon was in a different category in that regard.

00:10:06.480 He was a real criminal president who deserved having to leave office. And Republicans got him out of

00:10:13.900 office, forced his resignation, very different than what we've seen with Trump. The Republicans

00:10:18.560 have enabled him and allowed him to stay in office.

00:10:22.860 So that isn't true. First of all, obviously, Trump did not call for a riot at the Capitol. He did not

00:10:28.360 incite all of this violence. The things that Carl Bernstein are saying are just not true, which is typical

00:10:34.320 of Carl Bernstein. But beyond all of that, I just cannot believe at this point, when they bring this old

00:10:42.440 hack out once a week, practically, to do the same shtick, it is, it is a vaudeville routine at this

00:10:48.860 point. They drag out Carl Bernstein and with some sort of, they give whatever the setup is. And then

00:10:54.940 his role, like, like a good little Charlie McCarthy doll is to go out and say, worse than Watergate.

00:10:59.720 This is worse than Watergate. But they, that they can all do it with a straight face is astounding

00:11:03.520 to me. It shows you their showbiz professionalism. So, you know, we're going to bring on Carl Bernstein

00:11:07.840 now CNN contributor. And, you know, Carl, there have been some comparisons between Donald Trump

00:11:13.720 and Richard Nixon. And, but, you know, Carl, I was so shocked. I was so amazed. You, you've recently

00:11:19.840 said that maybe President Trump is worse than Richard Nixon. Are you, Carl, are you saying this

00:11:25.900 might be worse than Watergate? Carl, are you, hold on, I just want to make sure I'm following this

00:11:31.180 correctly. Are you saying the same and only thing that you have said on television for 40 years?

00:11:36.540 Uh, yes, Anderson, I am saying that. Orange man, bad, bad, bad. Worse than Watergate. Bad, 0.51

00:11:43.680 bad, bad. Oh, wow. Great analysis, Carl. Thank you so much for coming on. Deja vu all over again.

00:11:51.960 Second verse, same as the first. What a corrupt, what a shallow, what an embarrassing ruling elite 0.99

00:12:02.100 we have. And, and they all do, they, they justify anything. I mean, they're going to call for Trump's 0.96

00:12:08.580 head before he leaves office. They're going to impeach him seven more times. They're going to say

00:12:13.120 they're going to take away all of his money. They're already talking about that. They're going

00:12:15.920 to investigate him. They're going to say they're going to throw him in prison. Just get, get to the

00:12:19.560 point, which is that you want some Marie Antoinette style regicide or something. I mean, that is, 0.91

00:12:26.100 that is the direction the left is moving. At the very least, they want to tar and feather the guy.

00:12:33.280 And all of this is justified. How? Because he's a Nazi and worse than Watergate and he's a white 0.93

00:12:38.240 supremacist and he incited violence. And of course that none of that's true. And ironically, 0.99

00:12:46.380 the left actually did incite violence by providing material support to the BLM riots and explicitly

00:12:56.300 encouraging physical violence. But none of that matters. And we are told as a result,

00:13:03.020 we need to kick Trump off Twitter, kick him out of society and ostracize all of his followers too.

00:13:06.560 Not just QAnon, but all of them. It's going to be much, much bigger than that in the words of Jack

00:13:11.180 Dorsey. Believe it or not, some people outside this country, even on the left, see what kind of

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00:14:58.740 Mexico's left-wing president, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, has now promised to take on the big tech

00:15:10.280 companies. He says, quote, I can tell you that at the first G20 meeting we have, I'm going to make

00:15:17.660 a proposal on this issue. He's not just taking on big tech in the abstract. He wants to take on big

00:15:24.120 tech because they kicked off President Trump. Specifically it. But we're told all left-wingers

00:15:33.060 have to hate President Trump and want to ostracize him from society. But we're told Mexico especially 0.99

00:15:38.580 has to hate President Trump. But we're told he's an evil villain, Nazi, Klansman, whatever. 0.99

00:15:45.480 Well, this left-wing president of Mexico gets it, sees through all of this BS being pushed to you by

00:15:50.560 corporate media. He says, yes, social media should not be used to incite violence and all that.

00:15:56.540 I love the dismissal. Yeah, and all that, and all that. But this cannot be used as a pretext to

00:16:02.000 suspend freedom of expression. How can a company act as if it was all-powerful, omnipotent, as a sort

00:16:07.940 of Spanish inquisition on what is expressed? Great question. Now, he's speaking as a politician there.

00:16:17.180 I'd be willing actually to grant social media companies a little bit more than that. They

00:16:23.220 obviously have to cut certain content down. As we said, we all agree, you know, if there are direct

00:16:29.440 threats or direct incitement of violence, okay, that we agree, we should take it down. What about

00:16:33.300 obscenity? We've always had laws and sort of customs in this country against obscenity for important

00:16:40.720 reasons. You know, there's the think of the children argument, which is you don't want kids to get

00:16:44.600 hooked on naughty images when they're very young, especially if they're, you know, I don't know,

00:16:48.960 high-speed videos or things that are really going to mess with your head a lot more than like a

00:16:52.160 playboy, you know, under your brother's mattress or something. But, so there's that kind of argument

00:16:57.880 against obscenity. There's also a deeper political argument against obscenity, and it's the sort of

00:17:02.180 thing our founding fathers made, sort of arguments our founding fathers made, which is that

00:17:05.960 when you're living in a culture that believes that licentiousness is liberty, you're going to lose

00:17:11.980 your discipline, you're going to lose your virtue, you're going to lose your faculties of reason,

00:17:16.840 and you're not going to be capable of liberty. Forget, forget, be deserving of liberty, you won't

00:17:22.060 even, even be capable of having it. So you've got to make sure you rein in some of those base passions

00:17:26.880 so that you have your higher faculties, you're more in command of your body. You're thinking with

00:17:31.240 your brain and not with other parts of your body. So I think we generally agree with that. I mean,

00:17:37.080 even the tech platforms have always sort of done that, right? Instagram has a no porn policy,

00:17:41.480 I think. I don't know. I guess, I don't know if Twitter does, but there have always been some

00:17:46.160 of these policies. I'm sure we would all suggest other aspects too. One thing I think we ought to

00:17:55.340 all agree on, at least I, I somehow agree with the left-wing president of Mexico, and I agree with

00:18:01.140 Angela Merkel on this in Germany, and I agree with other world leaders. This hipster Rasputin weirdo,

00:18:09.380 Jack Dorsey in Silicon Valley, a grown man with a nose ring should not have the ability to censor

00:18:17.860 the duly elected sitting president of the United States. Something has gone seriously wrong if that

00:18:23.840 has happened. And if he is going to continue down this very destructive path, a path that is a great

00:18:29.460 danger to our country, then we should use the full power of our politics to stop him from doing that.

00:18:35.640 Not just a conservative opinion, also an opinion that some liberals share, not just an American

00:18:41.220 opinion, but an opinion that foreign leaders share. That is a threat to the global order. 0.66

00:18:48.780 If some creepy billionaire weirdo with a nose ring can censor duly elected world leaders.

00:18:56.660 We need to have some kind of standards. We can't pretend that free, free expression just lives in

00:19:05.000 the abstract. There's never been such a thing as unlimited free expression, free speech that has

00:19:09.620 just been without bounds. It's never happened anywhere. It's because this is a finite world

00:19:14.120 and we are finite people and we have to have order in society. So it's not possible. We can have broader

00:19:19.640 versions of it or narrower versions of it. We have a very robust system of free speech in America.

00:19:23.820 We should preserve that, but we should recognize that there are some limits on this. I'll give you,

00:19:28.520 I'll give you a great example. There's a story out about a mother, Kyle. I think her, her name is

00:19:34.860 Kyle, K-Y-L Myers. She is a Utahan. I thought people from Utah were very conservative, apparently not this

00:19:43.040 lady. She's the mother of a four-year-old child who refuses to disclose whether the child is a boy or a 0.99

00:19:49.380 girl. And she says she's going to let the child decide his own gender. I say his because his is the 0.99

00:19:57.480 singular gender neutral pronoun. And this mother has now been accused of child abuse. Here's her take

00:20:05.040 on it. She says, my partner, Brent and I, not husband, not boyfriend, partner, like she's started

00:20:12.380 an accounting firm or something. My partner, Brent and I do something called gender creative parenting.

00:20:17.700 I believe gender is up to an individual to determine and does not need to be assigned at

00:20:22.820 birth. I know a lot of people who are intersex, transgender, and non-binary. I myself am a gender

00:20:29.100 queer woman who uses they, them, and she, her pronouns. So first of all, this woman is not gender

00:20:36.840 queer because there's no such thing as gender queer. It's a meaningless expression. And I think what gender 1.00

00:20:42.260 queer really means is give me attention. I'm a give me attention woman and I'm really special. Give me

00:20:48.760 attention. She says she knows a lot of intersex, transgender, and non-binary people. She doesn't know

00:20:54.220 any non-binary people because that's not real. She might know some intersex. You know, that's where 1.00

00:21:00.000 you're born with some ambiguity as to your sex. It's an exceedingly rare condition. And she might know

00:21:06.380 some, she may certainly know some transgender people, men who think they're women or vice versa,

00:21:10.360 but she doesn't know a lot of them. And the way I know she doesn't know a lot of them is there

00:21:14.440 aren't a lot of them because it's an extraordinarily rare condition. Certainly the, the biological

00:21:20.300 ambiguity on sex is very rare. And the psychological issue is, has been rare, though it is growing by

00:21:27.900 leaps and bounds because it has not only a psychological or biological component, but it has a social

00:21:33.880 component. And it is a growing as a social contagion, particularly among young people who are being

00:21:39.120 abused by their elders who should know better, like this lady's child. Gender creative. You cannot 1.00

00:21:47.540 have a functioning society in which there is normal parenting and gender creative parenting. You can't 1.00

00:21:57.140 have, at least on a broad scale, you can't have a functioning society because those two expressions

00:22:03.820 make contrary ontological claims to, they, they make contrary, uh, they begin from contrary

00:22:13.500 premises about nature, about biology, about the human person, about how we all interact with one

00:22:19.540 another, about how education happens, right? Do you, do you teach children? Do you educate them? Do you

00:22:26.620 raise them in a certain way? Or do they, in a sense, teach you and then discover haphazardly the

00:22:31.780 reality of the world, right? Completely different views of things. She says, I believe gender is up 0.67

00:22:37.980 to an individual. It's not, it's not. It is a given fact of nature and nature doesn't change.

00:22:44.700 I suspect this lady believes nature can change, which means it's, it's not really nature anymore.

00:22:49.640 Uh, and it does not need to be assigned at birth. I am a, a gender queer woman. No. Uh,

00:22:56.340 how can you be gender queer and a woman? Doesn't, doesn't make a lot of sense. She says,

00:22:59.720 I use they, them, and she, her pronouns. Well, which is it? Is she multiple people? Maybe she

00:23:05.880 might, she, perhaps she has, uh, issues with, uh, multiple personalities as well. She would appear 0.98

00:23:11.740 to, she's saying, I am two kinds of person at the same time. If you have a society in which

00:23:21.600 men can be women and women can be men, then you don't have a society in which men are men and women 0.95

00:23:27.680 are women. And that has huge effects. Like for instance, actually, I remember Andrew Sullivan

00:23:34.400 wrote that Andrew Sullivan is a gay sort of conservative writer. He wrote an essay a few

00:23:37.940 years ago in which he pointed this out. He said, if we live in a society with transgenderism,

00:23:42.840 then I can't be a gay guy. And I can't be a gay guy because the premises that I'm beginning with are 0.67

00:23:48.920 there are men and there are women and sexual orientation has a very strong biological component

00:23:54.360 to it. And it's sort of hardwired in and I'm born this way. And you know, I didn't choose this or

00:23:58.100 whatever. And so therefore I'm a gay guy, right? If you live in the transgender world, there's no 1.00

00:24:04.760 such thing as men or women. And it's not hardwired in. Not, not only can you change your desires,

00:24:10.160 you can change your sex itself. You can be a man and then become a woman. You can't live in a 1.00

00:24:16.480 functioning society with both of those things. The reason that the left has sort of encouraged all

00:24:21.760 these various contradictory new standards and ethics is because they attack the old system,

00:24:29.020 right? And with the left, the left, when they wield political correctness, it's, it's a negative

00:24:32.460 instrument. It's an instrument to just destroy the old system, the old standards, the old rituals,

00:24:37.460 the old mores, the old moral order. So it doesn't matter if they contradict one another.

00:24:42.060 As long as you destroy the old order, you've, you've kind of accomplished your goal.

00:24:45.680 But that is child abuse. Either it is for this woman, either it is child abuse to tell your child 1.00

00:24:53.880 he doesn't have a sex and he can pick it later on, or it is child abuse to tell your child he has a 0.91

00:24:58.400 sex. And it depends which premise you begin with, but you cannot have both. If you want to think back

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00:28:31.940 So, you know that what happened at the Capitol is not just bad, which we all agree,

00:28:36.700 not just condemnable, which we all agree on. It's the worst thing that's ever happened in the

00:28:42.160 history of America, much worse than Pearl Harbor. And it was only, only right-wingers.

00:28:47.280 There were no left-wingers that were involved at all. They did happen to arrest a BLM activist who

00:28:51.880 was there, but forget about that. And he was on CNN, but no, that's not a big, not a big deal.

00:28:56.580 But actually it is the case. I think they were mostly right-wingers, right? And very bad thing.

00:29:03.200 But we did just have a whole year of political violence from the left, didn't we? We did just

00:29:07.760 have a whole year of BLM burning down city after city after city, torching businesses, 0.83

00:29:12.400 killing dozens of people. We did just have Antifa, a radical left organization,

00:29:17.280 set up a sort of sovereign city, right? A city-state called the CHAZ, the Capitol Hill

00:29:25.700 authorized zone. Is that, is that, or independent zone or such? That would be CHIS, I guess. Who

00:29:31.440 knows? It was this radical left-wing social experiment that was tolerated. It was perfectly

00:29:37.000 tolerated for quite a long time. A lot of this stuff has come out of Portland. Ted Wheeler,

00:29:43.700 mayor of Portland, has come out of, come under a lot of fire because he has tolerated, and you might

00:29:50.380 even say encouraged through his negligence and through his ideological declarations,

00:29:57.800 this kind of left-wing violence that's plagued Portland and the surrounding areas. So one intrepid

00:30:03.960 local news host was interviewing Mayor Wheeler and said, you know, yeah, we all agree Capitol Hill,

00:30:09.040 that thing's really bad. But don't you think you're permitting this left-wing violence to go

00:30:16.240 on for so long? Don't you think that might've had, I don't know, something to do with it?

00:30:20.820 Three weeks ago, protesters broke into the Oregon state Capitol. I have heard people at these protests

00:30:25.580 elsewhere saying, well, they let it happen in Portland, so why not do it here? It seems in some

00:30:30.960 way the actions of these small groups that you're referring to have set the stage for what has

00:30:35.160 happened on a state level and potentially a national level. I know you said it will take

00:30:39.480 time to crack down on these groups, but do we have that time? Are you blaming me for what happened

00:30:45.660 at the U.S. Capitol? Wait a minute. Are you saying that because I've permitted and one might even say

00:30:53.860 encouraged the violence from the left here, and that the left broadly has encouraged violence for

00:30:59.740 months and months and months and burned down sea to shining sea? Are you saying that might have

00:31:03.980 something to do with the mostly right-wing violence that took place for a few hours at the Capitol?

00:31:12.080 That is what we're saying. I'm glad that you are hearing what we're saying because for a week now,

00:31:18.100 the left has deflected and they've said, no, that's whataboutism. No, it's only right-wing

00:31:22.820 violence. No, it's completely different. No, it's not. It's not. It's not. Bad to like go attack the

00:31:29.580 Capitol for a few hours. That is bad. It's much, much worse to burn the country down for several

00:31:34.280 months. It's bad to go in and disrupt the offices of members of Congress. It's worse to destroy many,

00:31:43.920 many, many, many, many, many business owners' livelihoods and buildings and property and lives

00:31:49.100 in some cases. That is what we're talking about. We are blaming you, Ted Wheeler, and we're blaming

00:31:57.820 you, Maxine Waters, who called for violence, and we're blaming you, Chris Cuomo, who defended

00:32:02.920 political violence, and we're blaming you, Hillary Clinton, who said you can't be civil with your

00:32:07.760 opponents, and we're blaming all of you guys. You did this. Donald Trump didn't do this.

00:32:13.800 Donald Trump didn't do this at all. Some Trump supporters did some political violence

00:32:21.620 for a few hours at the Capitol, and that was bad. After months and months and months of what you did,

00:32:31.260 of what you did. The double standards are insane. There's a story, there's a story I wanted to get to

00:32:36.440 a few days ago. It was actually from January 7th. A Chattanooga assistant football coach was

00:32:43.520 fired because he sent a hateful tweet about Stacey Abrams. I'm not like a huge football fan generally,

00:32:50.120 so I don't really know who this guy is, but he's an offensive line coach, and he posted this

00:32:57.340 social media thing where he mocked Stacey Abrams' appearance and, quote, falsely claimed there was

00:33:05.020 cheating in Georgia elections, and that's why he was fired. So the tweet says, congratulations to the

00:33:11.160 state Georgia and fat Albert Stacey Abrams. Called her fat Albert. That's not nice. That's mean. 0.99

00:33:17.000 You know, don't do that. Hey, hey, hey, don't do that. Because you have truly shown America the true

00:33:23.880 works of cheating in an election. Again, enjoy the buffet. Big girl, you earned it. Hope the money 0.98

00:33:27.880 is good. Still not governor. You know, I actually, I do think it's very distasteful to mock people's

00:33:33.420 appearances. I really don't like that stuff. So obviously, the left has been doing this now for how

00:33:39.240 long they're calling big fat orange man and all sorts of mean names about Trump. None of them

00:33:44.940 would ever lose their job for that, and if they're not going to lose their job, I don't think this guy

00:33:47.760 should lose his job for making a sort of distasteful physical joke about the not governor of Georgia,

00:33:53.800 but that's the part, that's the part that I want to focus on. The report here from the Associated Press

00:34:00.320 says this guy, Chris Malone, was fired because he mocked Abrams' appearance and falsely claimed there was

00:34:07.820 cheating in Georgia elections. So if you, if you should be fired for falsely claiming that there

00:34:17.660 was cheating in Georgia's elections, don't you think this should not, not only apply to the person

00:34:22.440 who mocked Stacey Abrams, but to Stacey Abrams herself, who has claimed for years falsely that there

00:34:29.080 was cheating in her election? How do they write this stuff and not see what they're saying?

00:34:34.620 How do you write a piece about how it's absolutely horrible to criticize Stacey Abrams and simultaneously

00:34:42.420 claim there's cheating in Georgia's elections? When Stacey Abrams has been doing that for years, 1.00

00:34:49.920 it doesn't matter because Stacey Abrams is good and this guy is bad because Stacey Abrams is a liberal

00:34:57.700 and she checks a lot of intersectional grievance group boxes. And this guy is bad because he's a 0.55

00:35:05.060 conservative and he doesn't check those intersectional grievance group boxes. And so

00:35:09.860 it's, it's not even, obviously there's a double standard, but it is good. It is positively good

00:35:15.900 to fire him. And it would be very, very bad to take out Stacey Abrams from whatever her job is. 1.00

00:35:22.500 I don't even know what her job is right now, other than political shenanigans. That's what we're 0.63

00:35:27.920 seeing. Jack Dorsey is not going to clamp down on the left folks. And it's, I guess there's a double

00:35:33.180 standard, but here's his standard. Right wing bad, left wing good, right? We're not going to take off

00:35:39.200 the violent accounts on the left. We are going to take off the much broader than violent accounts

00:35:43.800 on the right. It's not just Trump. It's not just QAnon. It's a lot of people, even after the election,

00:35:49.940 his words, not mine. Let's get to the mailbag. Derek says, Hey Michael, I have an interesting

00:35:56.980 thought experiment for you. If a person wanted a custom cake to say something like Trump,

00:36:03.200 hero of the Republic, do you think a leftist bakery would make it? Worth testing, I think.

00:36:07.320 Thanks for all your good work. Probably they wouldn't, they wouldn't make it, but they wouldn't

00:36:12.060 have to make it because we have certain legal protections in this country and they protect

00:36:17.640 religious views, though they don't protect them very well, but at least on the books,

00:36:22.060 they protect religious views. They protect sex, but now they also protect sexual orientation and

00:36:29.060 gender identity, which is ironic because that undermines sex, right? The idea of your few, 0.99

00:36:34.760 this is the issue with the girl sports, right? Is if you have a protection on the basis of sex, 1.00

00:36:39.180 that means that the girls get to have their own sports leagues. But if you have a legal protection 1.00

00:36:42.800 on the basis of gender identity, that means girls don't get to have their own sports leagues 1.00

00:36:46.520 because the boys can play in the girls' sports leagues. So they're very contradictory,

00:36:50.560 but nowhere in any of those protections do you have a protection for political point of view.

00:36:56.740 So you're out. Unfortunately, you can go there, they'll turn you down. Supreme Court wouldn't

00:37:01.960 hear the case. From Brooklyn. Hey, Michael, my name is Brooklyn. I knew that because you,

00:37:06.480 because it was in the name line. My name is Brooklyn. I'm from Illinois. I started by listening

00:37:10.320 to the Ben Shapiro show and now find myself addicted to your show. I'm very pleased to hear that,

00:37:14.860 Brooklyn. My question is about whether you think as conservatives, it would be more effective for

00:37:20.160 us to outright ban using the big tech apps, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, or if we should remain on these

00:37:26.420 platforms for as long as we can and share as much conservative stuff as possible to reach out to

00:37:31.260 others until we are forcibly removed. Thanks. I don't think this is an either or scenario.

00:37:36.420 You said, should we use the government to crack the unprecedented power of big tech to control our

00:37:46.100 political conversation and therefore to control our politics and our republic? In a republic,

00:37:51.800 speech is politics and politics is speech. If these guys have the right to censor the duly elected

00:37:55.880 president, that's too much power. If they have the right to censor half of the political conversation, 0.68

00:38:00.340 that's too much power. So do we use the state to bring big tech down to size and point out that

00:38:07.620 they're getting legal protections like according to section 230 that they should not be getting

00:38:12.880 and point out that maybe they've engaged in some fraud in the way that they've gained critical mass

00:38:18.820 and market share and then kind of switch the ball game? Should we do that or should we stay on social

00:38:27.760 media? And I think both. We should stay on social media for as long as we can and we should continue

00:38:33.000 to affect the public conversation for as long as we can. And simultaneously, we should try to break

00:38:39.200 these guys up and bring them down to size. Those are not contradictory things. This is a trick the left

00:38:45.560 always tries to make us fall into, which is they want us to remove ourselves from the conversation.

00:38:54.760 They want us to play by a set of rules that they will not play by. But the thing about politics is

00:38:59.220 the same thing that can be said of war. Your opponent gets a say. You don't get to pick every

00:39:04.880 single circumstance of politics or war. You've got to, to use a cliche, you've got to play the hand

00:39:12.920 you're dealt. All right, how many more metaphors can I mix? You've got to deal in the circumstances

00:39:18.260 that you're in. Right now, the circumstance we're in is that big tech controls the political

00:39:21.440 conversation. And that's a bad thing and we've got to fight against that. But one of the ways in which

00:39:26.180 we can fight against that is by using those systems against big tech for as long as they'll tolerate

00:39:30.120 us. And we should, we should take an, all of the above strategy. From Caleb, Michael, I just

00:39:35.860 subscribed about 10 minutes before writing this and I'm excited to receive my Tumblr so that I can

00:39:40.220 consume those salty and delicious tears. Simple question. If you had to pick today, what Republican

00:39:46.320 candidate do you see having the best chance of unseating Joe Biden in 2024? If it's still Joe

00:39:51.020 Biden by then. Let's not forget the guy's pretty up there in age. So, you know, I, these days, I guess

00:39:56.580 I'm hoping he lasts quite a while because Kamala Harris is so awful, but who knows? We could be

00:40:03.740 running against Biden or against Kamala in 2024, just looking at life expectancies in the United States.

00:40:10.100 For the sake of argument, let's assume both Trump and Kanye are off the table. Also, you should have won

00:40:14.680 an Emmy for another kingdom. Hashtag came for Ben, stayed for Michael. Thank you very much. Who do I

00:40:18.280 think is the 2024 guy? I don't know. It would be very hard to have picked Trump in 2012, right? Four

00:40:24.680 years before the 2016 race. So I'm not sure. Obviously I am friends with Ted Cruz and I strongly

00:40:31.820 think he should run and I would encourage him to run for president. I don't know. I don't have any,

00:40:36.180 don't have any insider information as to whether that would happen. But I hope he does and I would

00:40:41.340 encourage him to. Ron DeSantis in Florida seems like he would, he would be running. He would be,

00:40:47.380 he would be a good choice or at least it seems like he would be a good choice. We don't, we don't know

00:40:50.600 as much about him because he's kind of newer on the political scene, but you know, he's done a great

00:40:54.440 job down in Florida. Josh Hawley appears like he wants to run. I guess, you know, similar thing to

00:41:00.280 Ron DeSantis. He's saying and doing some interesting things. We just don't, we don't know a ton about him.

00:41:04.620 That's the purpose of a primary campaign is to vet some of these candidates. It would appear that Nikki Haley

00:41:10.160 wants to run. She's kind of positioned herself in a way where she could run. Kristi Noem in South

00:41:14.480 Dakota, it would appear that she kind of wants to run. I think it's going to be important. I'm not

00:41:20.940 going to, I mean, I, you know, I'm, I'm encouraging Senator Cruz to run for president. I hope he does.

00:41:28.300 But beyond the kind of horse race of this person or that person, I think more broadly,

00:41:32.680 I think that the kind of person who could win the nomination and the presidency in 2024,

00:41:39.220 the kind of person who should win the nomination and the presidency in 2024 is going to have to be

00:41:44.100 someone who can make a credible claim to Trump voters, not just the establishment squishes,

00:41:52.160 not just the old kind of bushy foreign policy conservative types who want, you know, to invade

00:41:58.160 every country around the world. Uh, but, but people who can make a credible claim who are not

00:42:02.960 just going to regurgitate the platitudes of the nineties and early two thousands. And so I think

00:42:08.520 there are, you know, at least, I'd say two or three candidates right now that could, could sort of

00:42:14.260 make that claim and who knows others might have, might emerge. And, uh, obviously we've got four

00:42:19.640 years to do it, but that's the only way it's going to work. I know that there are many conservatives

00:42:24.160 right now who are praying that the Trump faction of the conservative movement is going to disappear.

00:42:30.600 It's not going to disappear guys. It's been around for a long time before it was the Trump movement.

00:42:35.040 It was called the tea party before it was the tea party. It was the cultural conservatives, you know,

00:42:40.860 of the, of the two thousands and the nineties before that they were the Reaganites before that

00:42:46.740 they were the Goldwater people. And, uh, it's a very sad fact that, uh, people today who claim the

00:42:54.640 mantle of Ronald Reagan very often are, are not like Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan was much more

00:43:00.500 conservative than they were. Many people today who claim the mantle of William F. Buckley Jr.

00:43:04.960 invoke him all the time. They don't seem to read a lot of William F. Buckley Jr. You know,

00:43:09.100 they, they see, they, the time that has elapsed since they were in politics has weakened their

00:43:17.360 memory, has made them seem kind of squishy. There has always been on the right a conservative side

00:43:24.400 and a squish side. And, uh, the, the conservative side now kind of old school conservative side is

00:43:31.400 going with Trump. And I know there are all these arguments about the true conservatives and to be a

00:43:36.560 true conservative. You just have to be super duper liberal and libertarian on everything. Well, no,

00:43:42.080 that, that historically just historically is not true. It's changed. Political circumstances change

00:43:46.860 all the time, but those two sides of the Republican party and of the right generally, uh, those have

00:43:52.360 persisted for decade upon decade. And you're going to call it the Trump people. Now it's going to be

00:43:56.840 called something else in, in five years, but that side, what, what that represents, that is not going

00:44:02.240 away. And if you want to make a credible run, I know there are a lot of people think the way to win

00:44:07.540 the presidency is to nominate some squish from the liberal Republican side of things. How has that 0.99

00:44:14.080 worked out historically? Bush 41 only won because he got Reagan's third term and then he lost.

00:44:22.300 Uh, George W. Bush ran as a conservative, might not have been super hardcore, but he was more hardcore

00:44:28.440 than his dad. John McCain ran as a liberal Republican. Mitt Romney ran as a liberal Republican.

00:44:33.280 Donald Trump ran as a conservative Republican. Make of that what you will. Uh, that's, that's

00:44:40.240 going to, if you want to be a credible candidate, you've got to appeal to the, to the conservatives,

00:44:45.160 to the base. From Simeon, what a great name. I am currently in the market for a new job.

00:44:50.780 I was recently in consideration for an engineering management position at Procter and Gamble.

00:44:54.840 The day of my interview, however, my conscience got the better of me and chose to rescind my

00:44:58.260 application due to the utter embarrassment I would feel working for such a socially just company.

00:45:03.700 Did I make the right decision or is the best way to affect change from the inside out? Thanks.

00:45:08.680 I am not going to give you a principled answer here. I'm going to give you a

00:45:11.780 prudential answer because prudence is one of my principles and it's a virtue and we should follow

00:45:16.100 it. You've got to get into the specifics here. What, what is your goal in your professional

00:45:22.120 career? And what is your circumstance? For instance, uh, T.S. Eliot, uh, did not make his

00:45:34.920 sort of career, his career. And what I mean by that is T.S. Eliot, one of the great poets of the

00:45:41.020 last hundred years, a little earlier than that, uh, T.S. Eliot worked at a bank and his, that was his day

00:45:49.860 job. He just worked at a bank and then he wrote some of the greatest, last great poems in the

00:45:55.360 English language. Uh, Dana Gioia, who's a living poet, uh, really like Dana Gioia's work. He just

00:46:02.020 worked at like a corporation. He was just like a marketing guy at a corporation. He went to business

00:46:05.320 school and he's one of the great living poets. His day job was not what he felt he was really called

00:46:12.720 to do. And you might ask the same for you. What are you doing? What do you, you know, is it just,

00:46:18.720 you're going to go get a paycheck and then you're going to go write beautiful poetry? Well, then I

00:46:22.000 guess it doesn't really matter if you're working at Procter & Gamble or whatever. Is it that you

00:46:25.100 want to have an effect on the way this company is moving, whether it's in a very limited way or even

00:46:30.120 if it's in a larger way? Well, maybe you can do that at Procter & Gamble. Maybe you can't.

00:46:34.720 Is Procter & Gamble really a super left-wing company or do they just make a bunch of BS commercials

00:46:39.480 to try to fool the woke people? I don't know. I mean, you'd, you'd have to know from the inside of

00:46:43.960 Procter & Gamble. What is the effect of Procter & Gamble on the world? You know, I can't answer

00:46:48.420 your question because the question does not permit a simple ideological bumper sticker answer. You've

00:46:55.700 got to get into the circumstances of these things. And I think one reason conservatives have failed to

00:47:00.960 really capture a lot of the culture is we refuse to get into this kind of nitty gritty. We just want

00:47:08.460 like three bumper sticker maxims, at least for the past 15, 20 years. And that, that ain't how politics

00:47:13.220 works. That's not how political and cultural change works. From Jennifer. Hey, Michael, a few years

00:47:18.080 ago, I asked you a mailbag question about the moral dilemma of having taken plan B after being

00:47:22.140 sexually assaulted. I remember it very, very well. Good to hear from you again. In your kindness,

00:47:26.500 you told me to focus on healing from the trauma first. Enough time has passed and I think I'm

00:47:30.820 quite strong enough now to ask you again from one Catholic to another. How sinful is it to take plan 0.93

00:47:36.280 B in such a circumstance or in any circumstance? Is it considered an abortion drug? And if it is,

00:47:41.140 should I confess this as such to a priest? Thank you as always. I love your show. Thank you very much.

00:47:46.920 It's so good to hear from you again. I remember that was years ago that you asked me that question.

00:47:50.560 I was still back in my broom closet, I think, at the old studio in LA.

00:47:56.020 The short answer is I don't know. I don't know as a moral matter. I can't, I just don't have the

00:48:01.980 authority to give you really an answer on that. I can give you my views of things and my opinion

00:48:06.660 as I understand it. But when in doubt, confess. You know, when in doubt, go to a priest.

00:48:11.720 Um, and I also don't know because plan B is very unclear in the way that it, it operates. So plan B

00:48:19.220 is the morning after pill. They call it emergency contraception, but it, it can be an abortifacient

00:48:24.000 drug because plan B does three things. It can prevent ovulation, no abortion. Though I guess

00:48:32.180 the use of contraceptives at all would constitute a sin, you know, according to Catholicism. So you

00:48:37.760 should, you should confess that too. Obviously different degrees. Um, but you, uh, can prevent

00:48:42.680 ovulation. So not an abortion. It can block fertilization of an egg, not an abortion,

00:48:49.220 or it can keep a fertilized egg from implanting in the universe, which according to secular

00:48:54.740 liberalism is not an abortion, but according to the Catholic church, it is an abortion because

00:48:58.460 the Catholic church believes that life begins at conception, not at implantation. So I don't know

00:49:05.800 the statistics, you know, two, two out of three ways that this operates, it would not have induced

00:49:10.840 an abortion. Uh, one way it could have induced an abortion. And so I, I would just recommend 0.99

00:49:18.160 generally, you are simply not going to be able to know what happened. Uh, and, uh, you can try to

00:49:24.060 look into the statistics of what is most statistically likely, but it will involve what time of the month

00:49:28.400 it was and all, all these other sorts of questions that probably you just wouldn't know.

00:49:31.140 When in doubt, you should avail yourself of the great grace that is before all of us,

00:49:37.740 which is confession. Uh, I know for some non-Catholics don't really, they think confession

00:49:41.660 is kind of weird. Uh, a way to think of it in the Catholic view of things is that it's like a

00:49:45.860 laundromat for the soul. Uh, I would go in and, and bring it up and adjust as a matter, not, not only

00:49:52.900 of psychological healing, which of course it does, but as a matter of spiritual healing, I would avail

00:49:56.800 yourself of that as well. I'm very pleased to hear you're doing much better now. And, uh, so good to

00:50:01.540 hear from you. From Bradley, Michael, I finally became an all access member. I'm excited to help

00:50:06.140 you guys grow and see what the future holds for the daily wire. As a veteran, I see everything I've

00:50:10.320 fought for going down the drain. I see our country going in the wrong direction. I'm curious to see

00:50:14.520 what you think of the Biden administration, what they'll do if they have control of everything,

00:50:17.900 what agenda are they going to put up and pass without fail considering the support they have now?

00:50:22.100 Thanks for everything you do. I think they're going to try to get rid of the filibuster.

00:50:25.800 Manchin says he's going to be against it. I hope that's true. They're going to try to pack the court.

00:50:29.520 They're, they're really pushing that. Biden doesn't want to do it, but the people around him really

00:50:32.440 do. They're going to try to add new states. That would be radical. It would give the Democrats a 0.91

00:50:36.600 permanent majority. There's a ton of support for that among the base. I'm not sure how much among

00:50:41.300 guys like Manchin, you know, who might now be the most powerful people in Washington.

00:50:45.200 Conservative pessimists say things can't get any worse. Conservative optimists say, of course

00:50:49.120 they can. And that I think is the, my cautious view of the Biden administration. I'm Michael

00:50:54.060 Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show. See you next week.

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00:51:56.080 destroys the narrative of his own defense. And the major controversy surrounding a traumatizing

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The Michael Knowles Show - January 15, 2021

Ep. 681 - With Trump Gone, They’re Coming For You

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