Ep. 681 - With Trump Gone, They’re Coming For You
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Jack Dorsey has deplatformed President Trump on the first day of his new job as CEO of Twitter, but that doesn t stop him from continuing to do so in the future. In fact, it may be even worse than that.
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You remember when President Trump during the campaign posted that meme to Twitter and it was
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a picture of him and it said, they're not coming after me. They're coming after you.
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And I just happened to be in the way. I thought it was one of the high points of the 2020 campaign
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and Jack Dorsey, Twitter CEO, just proved it true. Jack Dorsey obviously just
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deplatformed President Trump the other day. He was just caught on a hidden camera, I believe from
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Project Veritas, pointing out on a phone call, this is not about Trump. The censorship is going
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to be much, much broader. We do intend to do a full retro, as I said in my note, it is going to take
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some time. And then the other thing just to, just to close out a little bit, we, you know, we, we are
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focused on one account right now, but this is going to be much bigger than just one account.
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And it's going to go on for much longer than just this day, this week, the next few weeks. It's
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going to go on beyond the inauguration. We have to expect that. We have to be ready for that.
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So the focus is certainly on this account and how it ties to real world violence, but also
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we need to think much longer term around how these dynamics play out over time. I don't believe this
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is going away anytime soon. And the moves that we're making today around UNON, for instance, is one
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such example of a much broader approach that we should be looking at and going deeper on. So the team
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has a lot of work and a lot of focus on this particular issue. We also need to give them the
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space and the support to focus on the much bigger picture. Much bigger, much broader. You see, he's
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using the excuse of real world violence to take Trump off of Twitter. Doesn't really justify it at
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all. Doesn't, it doesn't explain the real world violence that Trump is inciting, right? Trump is
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tweeting on saying, be peaceful, be peaceful, be peaceful. But he's basically admitting that's just an
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excuse because this is going to be much broader. Then he says, okay, and then we're going to broaden
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out and talk about QAnon. But even that, that's not the extent of it. This is going to be much,
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much broader. It's going to go on for weeks and months. It's going to go on past the inauguration.
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Big tech, the ruling liberal regime of which big tech plays a role, has had it with conservatives and
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I can one up him. I can get impeached twice. He's my kind of president. You know, I think that's
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They say, make your own Twitter if you're a conservative. And then you make your own Twitter
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and they kick you off of the internet. Parler tried this. Parler was Dan Bongino's platform.
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You know, there was the Twitter alternative. Then they, they go and, you know, they were getting
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a lot of new members when Twitter starts purging right-wingers. And then Amazon Web Services kicks
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Parler off. We were told that Parler was supposed to be back today. Parler is not back today.
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Parler, according to its CEO, may never return. Why? Is it, is it because Parler just doesn't have
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a good business model? I don't think so. I think Parler can attract a lot of money. I mean, you've
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heard people, financial analysts talking about how well Parler is doing. Is it because Parler doesn't
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have a good user base? No. Parler, last I checked, had 2.3 million active users and 15 million total
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users. And that, by the way, was before this crazy week of kicking Trump off of Twitter and
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everybody going over to Parler. So I'm sure that number went up considerably, many multiples perhaps.
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Well, it's not because of that. It's because the left does not want the right to have any say. They
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want the right to be totally ostracized. It's not about Trump. That is a distraction. It's not about
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QAnon. That is a distraction. It's about you. It's about the 75 million Trump voters. People who
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mainstream leftists have said are Nazis, neo-Nazi, white supremacist, and therefore totally
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should, should not be permitted in society. It's, it's interesting on a few levels how this works,
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because what they do, they've been doing this for a long time. They call you deplorable,
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irredeemable, bitter clingers, right? All these sort of ways to dismiss you and, and justify taking
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you out of society. But the, the top charge probably is that you're a Nazi, right? You've
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been hearing this ever since Gore Vidal was debating Bill Buckley many, many years ago. He said,
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you're a crypto Nazi. And Bill Buckley threatened to punch him in his face. They call you Nazis because
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that, that is in popular culture considered the embodiment, the incarnation of pure evil, right? There
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can be nothing even close to that amount of evil. Why is communism not considered on that level?
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Communism, a bloodier ideology, right? And, and certainly I think in the ballpark of wickedness and
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how pernicious these ideologies are, right? Why is it perfectly fine to be a communist? Why are you
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permitted to wear a Che Guevara t-shirt? Could you imagine if you were a Nazi t-shirt? Oh my goodness
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gracious. You can wear Che Guevara. You can wear Chairman Mao. You could probably wear a Stalin t-shirt
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on a college campus. Wouldn't get you into any sort of trouble. It's a strange, strange double
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standard. Meanwhile, the 75 million Americans who voted for Trump are not Nazis, but it doesn't matter.
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Because if you, if you just say 75 million people disagree with me, they're not liberals,
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they're not very progressive, then it's hard to justify kicking them, not just off of social media,
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but out of banks, out of their jobs, out of their livelihoods, right? But if you say they're
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Nazis, then yeah, sure. We don't want, we don't want to do business with Hitler, do we? All of this,
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of course, in the final days of the Trump first term, some people saying the Trump administration,
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he could run again unless they somehow convict him, impeach and convict, which they're not going
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to do in the next few days. But all of this, we hear time and time and time again is, I guess,
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the only other superlative, not just to say they're Nazis or white supremacists. The other
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thing that you hear all the time is that this is worse than Watergate. And for our daily worse
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than Watergate analysis, we turn to left-wing hack, Carl Bernstein, who sort of was involved
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in Watergate and has made an entire career out of it. The Nixon comparison, part of your reporting
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is interesting. We wanted to bring in someone who masterfully told the story of Nixon's final
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days. Carl Bernstein, the investigative journalist, is also now a CNN political analyst. Carl,
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President Trump lashing out over comparisons to Nixon is particularly interesting. In many ways,
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you and I talked about this, I think it was last night, the end to this presidency,
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Well, first of all, Nixon was not a secessionist, seditious president of the United States who inspired
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and celebrated a riot to burn down the Capitol, which is really what occurred. He encouraged it.
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Those people went there because of his incitement. Nixon was in a different category in that regard.
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He was a real criminal president who deserved having to leave office. And Republicans got him out of
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office, forced his resignation, very different than what we've seen with Trump. The Republicans
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have enabled him and allowed him to stay in office.
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So that isn't true. First of all, obviously, Trump did not call for a riot at the Capitol. He did not
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incite all of this violence. The things that Carl Bernstein are saying are just not true, which is typical
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of Carl Bernstein. But beyond all of that, I just cannot believe at this point, when they bring this old
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hack out once a week, practically, to do the same shtick, it is, it is a vaudeville routine at this
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point. They drag out Carl Bernstein and with some sort of, they give whatever the setup is. And then
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his role, like, like a good little Charlie McCarthy doll is to go out and say, worse than Watergate.
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This is worse than Watergate. But they, that they can all do it with a straight face is astounding
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to me. It shows you their showbiz professionalism. So, you know, we're going to bring on Carl Bernstein
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now CNN contributor. And, you know, Carl, there have been some comparisons between Donald Trump
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and Richard Nixon. And, but, you know, Carl, I was so shocked. I was so amazed. You, you've recently
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said that maybe President Trump is worse than Richard Nixon. Are you, Carl, are you saying this
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might be worse than Watergate? Carl, are you, hold on, I just want to make sure I'm following this
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correctly. Are you saying the same and only thing that you have said on television for 40 years?
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Uh, yes, Anderson, I am saying that. Orange man, bad, bad, bad. Worse than Watergate. Bad,
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bad, bad. Oh, wow. Great analysis, Carl. Thank you so much for coming on. Deja vu all over again.
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Second verse, same as the first. What a corrupt, what a shallow, what an embarrassing ruling elite
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we have. And, and they all do, they, they justify anything. I mean, they're going to call for Trump's
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head before he leaves office. They're going to impeach him seven more times. They're going to say
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they're going to take away all of his money. They're already talking about that. They're going
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to investigate him. They're going to say they're going to throw him in prison. Just get, get to the
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point, which is that you want some Marie Antoinette style regicide or something. I mean, that is,
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that is the direction the left is moving. At the very least, they want to tar and feather the guy.
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And all of this is justified. How? Because he's a Nazi and worse than Watergate and he's a white
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supremacist and he incited violence. And of course that none of that's true. And ironically,
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the left actually did incite violence by providing material support to the BLM riots and explicitly
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encouraging physical violence. But none of that matters. And we are told as a result,
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we need to kick Trump off Twitter, kick him out of society and ostracize all of his followers too.
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Not just QAnon, but all of them. It's going to be much, much bigger than that in the words of Jack
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Mexico's left-wing president, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, has now promised to take on the big tech
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companies. He says, quote, I can tell you that at the first G20 meeting we have, I'm going to make
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a proposal on this issue. He's not just taking on big tech in the abstract. He wants to take on big
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tech because they kicked off President Trump. Specifically it. But we're told all left-wingers
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have to hate President Trump and want to ostracize him from society. But we're told Mexico especially
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has to hate President Trump. But we're told he's an evil villain, Nazi, Klansman, whatever.
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Well, this left-wing president of Mexico gets it, sees through all of this BS being pushed to you by
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corporate media. He says, yes, social media should not be used to incite violence and all that.
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I love the dismissal. Yeah, and all that, and all that. But this cannot be used as a pretext to
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suspend freedom of expression. How can a company act as if it was all-powerful, omnipotent, as a sort
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of Spanish inquisition on what is expressed? Great question. Now, he's speaking as a politician there.
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I'd be willing actually to grant social media companies a little bit more than that. They
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obviously have to cut certain content down. As we said, we all agree, you know, if there are direct
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threats or direct incitement of violence, okay, that we agree, we should take it down. What about
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obscenity? We've always had laws and sort of customs in this country against obscenity for important
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reasons. You know, there's the think of the children argument, which is you don't want kids to get
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hooked on naughty images when they're very young, especially if they're, you know, I don't know,
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high-speed videos or things that are really going to mess with your head a lot more than like a
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playboy, you know, under your brother's mattress or something. But, so there's that kind of argument
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against obscenity. There's also a deeper political argument against obscenity, and it's the sort of
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thing our founding fathers made, sort of arguments our founding fathers made, which is that
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when you're living in a culture that believes that licentiousness is liberty, you're going to lose
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your discipline, you're going to lose your virtue, you're going to lose your faculties of reason,
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and you're not going to be capable of liberty. Forget, forget, be deserving of liberty, you won't
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even, even be capable of having it. So you've got to make sure you rein in some of those base passions
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so that you have your higher faculties, you're more in command of your body. You're thinking with
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your brain and not with other parts of your body. So I think we generally agree with that. I mean,
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even the tech platforms have always sort of done that, right? Instagram has a no porn policy,
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I think. I don't know. I guess, I don't know if Twitter does, but there have always been some
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of these policies. I'm sure we would all suggest other aspects too. One thing I think we ought to
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all agree on, at least I, I somehow agree with the left-wing president of Mexico, and I agree with
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Angela Merkel on this in Germany, and I agree with other world leaders. This hipster Rasputin weirdo,
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Jack Dorsey in Silicon Valley, a grown man with a nose ring should not have the ability to censor
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the duly elected sitting president of the United States. Something has gone seriously wrong if that
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has happened. And if he is going to continue down this very destructive path, a path that is a great
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danger to our country, then we should use the full power of our politics to stop him from doing that.
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Not just a conservative opinion, also an opinion that some liberals share, not just an American
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opinion, but an opinion that foreign leaders share. That is a threat to the global order.
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If some creepy billionaire weirdo with a nose ring can censor duly elected world leaders.
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We need to have some kind of standards. We can't pretend that free, free expression just lives in
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the abstract. There's never been such a thing as unlimited free expression, free speech that has
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just been without bounds. It's never happened anywhere. It's because this is a finite world
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and we are finite people and we have to have order in society. So it's not possible. We can have broader
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versions of it or narrower versions of it. We have a very robust system of free speech in America.
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We should preserve that, but we should recognize that there are some limits on this. I'll give you,
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I'll give you a great example. There's a story out about a mother, Kyle. I think her, her name is
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Kyle, K-Y-L Myers. She is a Utahan. I thought people from Utah were very conservative, apparently not this
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lady. She's the mother of a four-year-old child who refuses to disclose whether the child is a boy or a
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girl. And she says she's going to let the child decide his own gender. I say his because his is the
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singular gender neutral pronoun. And this mother has now been accused of child abuse. Here's her take
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on it. She says, my partner, Brent and I, not husband, not boyfriend, partner, like she's started
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an accounting firm or something. My partner, Brent and I do something called gender creative parenting.
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I believe gender is up to an individual to determine and does not need to be assigned at
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birth. I know a lot of people who are intersex, transgender, and non-binary. I myself am a gender
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queer woman who uses they, them, and she, her pronouns. So first of all, this woman is not gender
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queer because there's no such thing as gender queer. It's a meaningless expression. And I think what gender
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queer really means is give me attention. I'm a give me attention woman and I'm really special. Give me
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attention. She says she knows a lot of intersex, transgender, and non-binary people. She doesn't know
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any non-binary people because that's not real. She might know some intersex. You know, that's where
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you're born with some ambiguity as to your sex. It's an exceedingly rare condition. And she might know
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some, she may certainly know some transgender people, men who think they're women or vice versa,
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but she doesn't know a lot of them. And the way I know she doesn't know a lot of them is there
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aren't a lot of them because it's an extraordinarily rare condition. Certainly the, the biological
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ambiguity on sex is very rare. And the psychological issue is, has been rare, though it is growing by
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leaps and bounds because it has not only a psychological or biological component, but it has a social
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component. And it is a growing as a social contagion, particularly among young people who are being
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abused by their elders who should know better, like this lady's child. Gender creative. You cannot
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have a functioning society in which there is normal parenting and gender creative parenting. You can't
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have, at least on a broad scale, you can't have a functioning society because those two expressions
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make contrary ontological claims to, they, they make contrary, uh, they begin from contrary
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premises about nature, about biology, about the human person, about how we all interact with one
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another, about how education happens, right? Do you, do you teach children? Do you educate them? Do you
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raise them in a certain way? Or do they, in a sense, teach you and then discover haphazardly the
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reality of the world, right? Completely different views of things. She says, I believe gender is up
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to an individual. It's not, it's not. It is a given fact of nature and nature doesn't change.
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I suspect this lady believes nature can change, which means it's, it's not really nature anymore.
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Uh, and it does not need to be assigned at birth. I am a, a gender queer woman. No. Uh,
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how can you be gender queer and a woman? Doesn't, doesn't make a lot of sense. She says,
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I use they, them, and she, her pronouns. Well, which is it? Is she multiple people? Maybe she
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might, she, perhaps she has, uh, issues with, uh, multiple personalities as well. She would appear
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to, she's saying, I am two kinds of person at the same time. If you have a society in which
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men can be women and women can be men, then you don't have a society in which men are men and women
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are women. And that has huge effects. Like for instance, actually, I remember Andrew Sullivan
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wrote that Andrew Sullivan is a gay sort of conservative writer. He wrote an essay a few
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years ago in which he pointed this out. He said, if we live in a society with transgenderism,
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then I can't be a gay guy. And I can't be a gay guy because the premises that I'm beginning with are
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there are men and there are women and sexual orientation has a very strong biological component
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to it. And it's sort of hardwired in and I'm born this way. And you know, I didn't choose this or
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whatever. And so therefore I'm a gay guy, right? If you live in the transgender world, there's no
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So, you know that what happened at the Capitol is not just bad, which we all agree,
00:28:36.700
not just condemnable, which we all agree on. It's the worst thing that's ever happened in the
00:28:42.160
history of America, much worse than Pearl Harbor. And it was only, only right-wingers.
00:28:47.280
There were no left-wingers that were involved at all. They did happen to arrest a BLM activist who
00:28:51.880
was there, but forget about that. And he was on CNN, but no, that's not a big, not a big deal.
00:28:56.580
But actually it is the case. I think they were mostly right-wingers, right? And very bad thing.
00:29:03.200
But we did just have a whole year of political violence from the left, didn't we? We did just
00:29:07.760
have a whole year of BLM burning down city after city after city, torching businesses,
00:29:12.400
killing dozens of people. We did just have Antifa, a radical left organization,
00:29:17.280
set up a sort of sovereign city, right? A city-state called the CHAZ, the Capitol Hill
00:29:25.700
authorized zone. Is that, is that, or independent zone or such? That would be CHIS, I guess. Who
00:29:31.440
knows? It was this radical left-wing social experiment that was tolerated. It was perfectly
00:29:37.000
tolerated for quite a long time. A lot of this stuff has come out of Portland. Ted Wheeler,
00:29:43.700
mayor of Portland, has come out of, come under a lot of fire because he has tolerated, and you might
00:29:50.380
even say encouraged through his negligence and through his ideological declarations,
00:29:57.800
this kind of left-wing violence that's plagued Portland and the surrounding areas. So one intrepid
00:30:03.960
local news host was interviewing Mayor Wheeler and said, you know, yeah, we all agree Capitol Hill,
00:30:09.040
that thing's really bad. But don't you think you're permitting this left-wing violence to go
00:30:16.240
on for so long? Don't you think that might've had, I don't know, something to do with it?
00:30:20.820
Three weeks ago, protesters broke into the Oregon state Capitol. I have heard people at these protests
00:30:25.580
elsewhere saying, well, they let it happen in Portland, so why not do it here? It seems in some
00:30:30.960
way the actions of these small groups that you're referring to have set the stage for what has
00:30:35.160
happened on a state level and potentially a national level. I know you said it will take
00:30:39.480
time to crack down on these groups, but do we have that time? Are you blaming me for what happened
00:30:45.660
at the U.S. Capitol? Wait a minute. Are you saying that because I've permitted and one might even say
00:30:53.860
encouraged the violence from the left here, and that the left broadly has encouraged violence for
00:30:59.740
months and months and months and burned down sea to shining sea? Are you saying that might have
00:31:03.980
something to do with the mostly right-wing violence that took place for a few hours at the Capitol?
00:31:12.080
That is what we're saying. I'm glad that you are hearing what we're saying because for a week now,
00:31:18.100
the left has deflected and they've said, no, that's whataboutism. No, it's only right-wing
00:31:22.820
violence. No, it's completely different. No, it's not. It's not. It's not. Bad to like go attack the
00:31:29.580
Capitol for a few hours. That is bad. It's much, much worse to burn the country down for several
00:31:34.280
months. It's bad to go in and disrupt the offices of members of Congress. It's worse to destroy many,
00:31:43.920
many, many, many, many, many business owners' livelihoods and buildings and property and lives
00:31:49.100
in some cases. That is what we're talking about. We are blaming you, Ted Wheeler, and we're blaming
00:31:57.820
you, Maxine Waters, who called for violence, and we're blaming you, Chris Cuomo, who defended
00:32:02.920
political violence, and we're blaming you, Hillary Clinton, who said you can't be civil with your
00:32:07.760
opponents, and we're blaming all of you guys. You did this. Donald Trump didn't do this.
00:32:13.800
Donald Trump didn't do this at all. Some Trump supporters did some political violence
00:32:21.620
for a few hours at the Capitol, and that was bad. After months and months and months of what you did,
00:32:31.260
of what you did. The double standards are insane. There's a story, there's a story I wanted to get to
00:32:36.440
a few days ago. It was actually from January 7th. A Chattanooga assistant football coach was
00:32:43.520
fired because he sent a hateful tweet about Stacey Abrams. I'm not like a huge football fan generally,
00:32:50.120
so I don't really know who this guy is, but he's an offensive line coach, and he posted this
00:32:57.340
social media thing where he mocked Stacey Abrams' appearance and, quote, falsely claimed there was
00:33:05.020
cheating in Georgia elections, and that's why he was fired. So the tweet says, congratulations to the
00:33:11.160
state Georgia and fat Albert Stacey Abrams. Called her fat Albert. That's not nice. That's mean.
00:33:17.000
You know, don't do that. Hey, hey, hey, don't do that. Because you have truly shown America the true
00:33:23.880
works of cheating in an election. Again, enjoy the buffet. Big girl, you earned it. Hope the money
00:33:27.880
is good. Still not governor. You know, I actually, I do think it's very distasteful to mock people's
00:33:33.420
appearances. I really don't like that stuff. So obviously, the left has been doing this now for how
00:33:39.240
long they're calling big fat orange man and all sorts of mean names about Trump. None of them
00:33:44.940
would ever lose their job for that, and if they're not going to lose their job, I don't think this guy
00:33:47.760
should lose his job for making a sort of distasteful physical joke about the not governor of Georgia,
00:33:53.800
but that's the part, that's the part that I want to focus on. The report here from the Associated Press
00:34:00.320
says this guy, Chris Malone, was fired because he mocked Abrams' appearance and falsely claimed there was
00:34:07.820
cheating in Georgia elections. So if you, if you should be fired for falsely claiming that there
00:34:17.660
was cheating in Georgia's elections, don't you think this should not, not only apply to the person
00:34:22.440
who mocked Stacey Abrams, but to Stacey Abrams herself, who has claimed for years falsely that there
00:34:29.080
was cheating in her election? How do they write this stuff and not see what they're saying?
00:34:34.620
How do you write a piece about how it's absolutely horrible to criticize Stacey Abrams and simultaneously
00:34:42.420
claim there's cheating in Georgia's elections? When Stacey Abrams has been doing that for years,
00:34:49.920
it doesn't matter because Stacey Abrams is good and this guy is bad because Stacey Abrams is a liberal
00:34:57.700
and she checks a lot of intersectional grievance group boxes. And this guy is bad because he's a
00:35:05.060
conservative and he doesn't check those intersectional grievance group boxes. And so
00:35:09.860
it's, it's not even, obviously there's a double standard, but it is good. It is positively good
00:35:15.900
to fire him. And it would be very, very bad to take out Stacey Abrams from whatever her job is.
00:35:22.500
I don't even know what her job is right now, other than political shenanigans. That's what we're
00:35:27.920
seeing. Jack Dorsey is not going to clamp down on the left folks. And it's, I guess there's a double
00:35:33.180
standard, but here's his standard. Right wing bad, left wing good, right? We're not going to take off
00:35:39.200
the violent accounts on the left. We are going to take off the much broader than violent accounts
00:35:43.800
on the right. It's not just Trump. It's not just QAnon. It's a lot of people, even after the election,
00:35:49.940
his words, not mine. Let's get to the mailbag. Derek says, Hey Michael, I have an interesting
00:35:56.980
thought experiment for you. If a person wanted a custom cake to say something like Trump,
00:36:03.200
hero of the Republic, do you think a leftist bakery would make it? Worth testing, I think.
00:36:07.320
Thanks for all your good work. Probably they wouldn't, they wouldn't make it, but they wouldn't
00:36:12.060
have to make it because we have certain legal protections in this country and they protect
00:36:17.640
religious views, though they don't protect them very well, but at least on the books,
00:36:22.060
they protect religious views. They protect sex, but now they also protect sexual orientation and
00:36:29.060
gender identity, which is ironic because that undermines sex, right? The idea of your few,
00:36:34.760
this is the issue with the girl sports, right? Is if you have a protection on the basis of sex,
00:36:39.180
that means that the girls get to have their own sports leagues. But if you have a legal protection
00:36:42.800
on the basis of gender identity, that means girls don't get to have their own sports leagues
00:36:46.520
because the boys can play in the girls' sports leagues. So they're very contradictory,
00:36:50.560
but nowhere in any of those protections do you have a protection for political point of view.
00:36:56.740
So you're out. Unfortunately, you can go there, they'll turn you down. Supreme Court wouldn't
00:37:01.960
hear the case. From Brooklyn. Hey, Michael, my name is Brooklyn. I knew that because you,
00:37:06.480
because it was in the name line. My name is Brooklyn. I'm from Illinois. I started by listening
00:37:10.320
to the Ben Shapiro show and now find myself addicted to your show. I'm very pleased to hear that,
00:37:14.860
Brooklyn. My question is about whether you think as conservatives, it would be more effective for
00:37:20.160
us to outright ban using the big tech apps, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, or if we should remain on these
00:37:26.420
platforms for as long as we can and share as much conservative stuff as possible to reach out to
00:37:31.260
others until we are forcibly removed. Thanks. I don't think this is an either or scenario.
00:37:36.420
You said, should we use the government to crack the unprecedented power of big tech to control our
00:37:46.100
political conversation and therefore to control our politics and our republic? In a republic,
00:37:51.800
speech is politics and politics is speech. If these guys have the right to censor the duly elected
00:37:55.880
president, that's too much power. If they have the right to censor half of the political conversation,
00:38:00.340
that's too much power. So do we use the state to bring big tech down to size and point out that
00:38:07.620
they're getting legal protections like according to section 230 that they should not be getting
00:38:12.880
and point out that maybe they've engaged in some fraud in the way that they've gained critical mass
00:38:18.820
and market share and then kind of switch the ball game? Should we do that or should we stay on social
00:38:27.760
media? And I think both. We should stay on social media for as long as we can and we should continue
00:38:33.000
to affect the public conversation for as long as we can. And simultaneously, we should try to break
00:38:39.200
these guys up and bring them down to size. Those are not contradictory things. This is a trick the left
00:38:45.560
always tries to make us fall into, which is they want us to remove ourselves from the conversation.
00:38:54.760
They want us to play by a set of rules that they will not play by. But the thing about politics is
00:38:59.220
the same thing that can be said of war. Your opponent gets a say. You don't get to pick every
00:39:04.880
single circumstance of politics or war. You've got to, to use a cliche, you've got to play the hand
00:39:12.920
you're dealt. All right, how many more metaphors can I mix? You've got to deal in the circumstances
00:39:18.260
that you're in. Right now, the circumstance we're in is that big tech controls the political
00:39:21.440
conversation. And that's a bad thing and we've got to fight against that. But one of the ways in which
00:39:26.180
we can fight against that is by using those systems against big tech for as long as they'll tolerate
00:39:30.120
us. And we should, we should take an, all of the above strategy. From Caleb, Michael, I just
00:39:35.860
subscribed about 10 minutes before writing this and I'm excited to receive my Tumblr so that I can
00:39:40.220
consume those salty and delicious tears. Simple question. If you had to pick today, what Republican
00:39:46.320
candidate do you see having the best chance of unseating Joe Biden in 2024? If it's still Joe
00:39:51.020
Biden by then. Let's not forget the guy's pretty up there in age. So, you know, I, these days, I guess
00:39:56.580
I'm hoping he lasts quite a while because Kamala Harris is so awful, but who knows? We could be
00:40:03.740
running against Biden or against Kamala in 2024, just looking at life expectancies in the United States.
00:40:10.100
For the sake of argument, let's assume both Trump and Kanye are off the table. Also, you should have won
00:40:14.680
an Emmy for another kingdom. Hashtag came for Ben, stayed for Michael. Thank you very much. Who do I
00:40:18.280
think is the 2024 guy? I don't know. It would be very hard to have picked Trump in 2012, right? Four
00:40:24.680
years before the 2016 race. So I'm not sure. Obviously I am friends with Ted Cruz and I strongly
00:40:31.820
think he should run and I would encourage him to run for president. I don't know. I don't have any,
00:40:36.180
don't have any insider information as to whether that would happen. But I hope he does and I would
00:40:41.340
encourage him to. Ron DeSantis in Florida seems like he would, he would be running. He would be,
00:40:47.380
he would be a good choice or at least it seems like he would be a good choice. We don't, we don't know
00:40:50.600
as much about him because he's kind of newer on the political scene, but you know, he's done a great
00:40:54.440
job down in Florida. Josh Hawley appears like he wants to run. I guess, you know, similar thing to
00:41:00.280
Ron DeSantis. He's saying and doing some interesting things. We just don't, we don't know a ton about him.
00:41:04.620
That's the purpose of a primary campaign is to vet some of these candidates. It would appear that Nikki Haley
00:41:10.160
wants to run. She's kind of positioned herself in a way where she could run. Kristi Noem in South
00:41:14.480
Dakota, it would appear that she kind of wants to run. I think it's going to be important. I'm not
00:41:20.940
going to, I mean, I, you know, I'm, I'm encouraging Senator Cruz to run for president. I hope he does.
00:41:28.300
But beyond the kind of horse race of this person or that person, I think more broadly,
00:41:32.680
I think that the kind of person who could win the nomination and the presidency in 2024,
00:41:39.220
the kind of person who should win the nomination and the presidency in 2024 is going to have to be
00:41:44.100
someone who can make a credible claim to Trump voters, not just the establishment squishes,
00:41:52.160
not just the old kind of bushy foreign policy conservative types who want, you know, to invade
00:41:58.160
every country around the world. Uh, but, but people who can make a credible claim who are not
00:42:02.960
just going to regurgitate the platitudes of the nineties and early two thousands. And so I think
00:42:08.520
there are, you know, at least, I'd say two or three candidates right now that could, could sort of
00:42:14.260
make that claim and who knows others might have, might emerge. And, uh, obviously we've got four
00:42:19.640
years to do it, but that's the only way it's going to work. I know that there are many conservatives
00:42:24.160
right now who are praying that the Trump faction of the conservative movement is going to disappear.
00:42:30.600
It's not going to disappear guys. It's been around for a long time before it was the Trump movement.
00:42:35.040
It was called the tea party before it was the tea party. It was the cultural conservatives, you know,
00:42:40.860
of the, of the two thousands and the nineties before that they were the Reaganites before that
00:42:46.740
they were the Goldwater people. And, uh, it's a very sad fact that, uh, people today who claim the
00:42:54.640
mantle of Ronald Reagan very often are, are not like Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan was much more
00:43:00.500
conservative than they were. Many people today who claim the mantle of William F. Buckley Jr.
00:43:04.960
invoke him all the time. They don't seem to read a lot of William F. Buckley Jr. You know,
00:43:09.100
they, they see, they, the time that has elapsed since they were in politics has weakened their
00:43:17.360
memory, has made them seem kind of squishy. There has always been on the right a conservative side
00:43:24.400
and a squish side. And, uh, the, the conservative side now kind of old school conservative side is
00:43:31.400
going with Trump. And I know there are all these arguments about the true conservatives and to be a
00:43:36.560
true conservative. You just have to be super duper liberal and libertarian on everything. Well, no,
00:43:42.080
that, that historically just historically is not true. It's changed. Political circumstances change
00:43:46.860
all the time, but those two sides of the Republican party and of the right generally, uh, those have
00:43:52.360
persisted for decade upon decade. And you're going to call it the Trump people. Now it's going to be
00:43:56.840
called something else in, in five years, but that side, what, what that represents, that is not going
00:44:02.240
away. And if you want to make a credible run, I know there are a lot of people think the way to win
00:44:07.540
the presidency is to nominate some squish from the liberal Republican side of things. How has that
00:44:14.080
worked out historically? Bush 41 only won because he got Reagan's third term and then he lost.
00:44:22.300
Uh, George W. Bush ran as a conservative, might not have been super hardcore, but he was more hardcore
00:44:28.440
than his dad. John McCain ran as a liberal Republican. Mitt Romney ran as a liberal Republican.
00:44:33.280
Donald Trump ran as a conservative Republican. Make of that what you will. Uh, that's, that's
00:44:40.240
going to, if you want to be a credible candidate, you've got to appeal to the, to the conservatives,
00:44:45.160
to the base. From Simeon, what a great name. I am currently in the market for a new job.
00:44:50.780
I was recently in consideration for an engineering management position at Procter and Gamble.
00:44:54.840
The day of my interview, however, my conscience got the better of me and chose to rescind my
00:44:58.260
application due to the utter embarrassment I would feel working for such a socially just company.
00:45:03.700
Did I make the right decision or is the best way to affect change from the inside out? Thanks.
00:45:08.680
I am not going to give you a principled answer here. I'm going to give you a
00:45:11.780
prudential answer because prudence is one of my principles and it's a virtue and we should follow
00:45:16.100
it. You've got to get into the specifics here. What, what is your goal in your professional
00:45:22.120
career? And what is your circumstance? For instance, uh, T.S. Eliot, uh, did not make his
00:45:34.920
sort of career, his career. And what I mean by that is T.S. Eliot, one of the great poets of the
00:45:41.020
last hundred years, a little earlier than that, uh, T.S. Eliot worked at a bank and his, that was his day
00:45:49.860
job. He just worked at a bank and then he wrote some of the greatest, last great poems in the
00:45:55.360
English language. Uh, Dana Gioia, who's a living poet, uh, really like Dana Gioia's work. He just
00:46:02.020
worked at like a corporation. He was just like a marketing guy at a corporation. He went to business
00:46:05.320
school and he's one of the great living poets. His day job was not what he felt he was really called
00:46:12.720
to do. And you might ask the same for you. What are you doing? What do you, you know, is it just,
00:46:18.720
you're going to go get a paycheck and then you're going to go write beautiful poetry? Well, then I
00:46:22.000
guess it doesn't really matter if you're working at Procter & Gamble or whatever. Is it that you
00:46:25.100
want to have an effect on the way this company is moving, whether it's in a very limited way or even
00:46:30.120
if it's in a larger way? Well, maybe you can do that at Procter & Gamble. Maybe you can't.
00:46:34.720
Is Procter & Gamble really a super left-wing company or do they just make a bunch of BS commercials
00:46:39.480
to try to fool the woke people? I don't know. I mean, you'd, you'd have to know from the inside of
00:46:43.960
Procter & Gamble. What is the effect of Procter & Gamble on the world? You know, I can't answer
00:46:48.420
your question because the question does not permit a simple ideological bumper sticker answer. You've
00:46:55.700
got to get into the circumstances of these things. And I think one reason conservatives have failed to
00:47:00.960
really capture a lot of the culture is we refuse to get into this kind of nitty gritty. We just want
00:47:08.460
like three bumper sticker maxims, at least for the past 15, 20 years. And that, that ain't how politics
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works. That's not how political and cultural change works. From Jennifer. Hey, Michael, a few years
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ago, I asked you a mailbag question about the moral dilemma of having taken plan B after being
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sexually assaulted. I remember it very, very well. Good to hear from you again. In your kindness,
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you told me to focus on healing from the trauma first. Enough time has passed and I think I'm
00:47:30.820
quite strong enough now to ask you again from one Catholic to another. How sinful is it to take plan
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B in such a circumstance or in any circumstance? Is it considered an abortion drug? And if it is,
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should I confess this as such to a priest? Thank you as always. I love your show. Thank you very much.
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It's so good to hear from you again. I remember that was years ago that you asked me that question.
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I was still back in my broom closet, I think, at the old studio in LA.
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The short answer is I don't know. I don't know as a moral matter. I can't, I just don't have the
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authority to give you really an answer on that. I can give you my views of things and my opinion
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as I understand it. But when in doubt, confess. You know, when in doubt, go to a priest.
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Um, and I also don't know because plan B is very unclear in the way that it, it operates. So plan B
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is the morning after pill. They call it emergency contraception, but it, it can be an abortifacient
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drug because plan B does three things. It can prevent ovulation, no abortion. Though I guess
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the use of contraceptives at all would constitute a sin, you know, according to Catholicism. So you
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should, you should confess that too. Obviously different degrees. Um, but you, uh, can prevent
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ovulation. So not an abortion. It can block fertilization of an egg, not an abortion,
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or it can keep a fertilized egg from implanting in the universe, which according to secular
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liberalism is not an abortion, but according to the Catholic church, it is an abortion because
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the Catholic church believes that life begins at conception, not at implantation. So I don't know
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the statistics, you know, two, two out of three ways that this operates, it would not have induced
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an abortion. Uh, one way it could have induced an abortion. And so I, I would just recommend
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generally, you are simply not going to be able to know what happened. Uh, and, uh, you can try to
00:49:24.060
look into the statistics of what is most statistically likely, but it will involve what time of the month
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it was and all, all these other sorts of questions that probably you just wouldn't know.
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When in doubt, you should avail yourself of the great grace that is before all of us,
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which is confession. Uh, I know for some non-Catholics don't really, they think confession
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is kind of weird. Uh, a way to think of it in the Catholic view of things is that it's like a
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laundromat for the soul. Uh, I would go in and, and bring it up and adjust as a matter, not, not only
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of psychological healing, which of course it does, but as a matter of spiritual healing, I would avail
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yourself of that as well. I'm very pleased to hear you're doing much better now. And, uh, so good to
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hear from you. From Bradley, Michael, I finally became an all access member. I'm excited to help
00:50:06.140
you guys grow and see what the future holds for the daily wire. As a veteran, I see everything I've
00:50:10.320
fought for going down the drain. I see our country going in the wrong direction. I'm curious to see
00:50:14.520
what you think of the Biden administration, what they'll do if they have control of everything,
00:50:17.900
what agenda are they going to put up and pass without fail considering the support they have now?
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Thanks for everything you do. I think they're going to try to get rid of the filibuster.
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Manchin says he's going to be against it. I hope that's true. They're going to try to pack the court.
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They're, they're really pushing that. Biden doesn't want to do it, but the people around him really
00:50:32.440
do. They're going to try to add new states. That would be radical. It would give the Democrats a
00:50:36.600
permanent majority. There's a ton of support for that among the base. I'm not sure how much among
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guys like Manchin, you know, who might now be the most powerful people in Washington.
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Conservative pessimists say things can't get any worse. Conservative optimists say, of course
00:50:49.120
they can. And that I think is the, my cautious view of the Biden administration. I'm Michael
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Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show. See you next week.
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