The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 699 - Everyone Loves Cancel Culture

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00:00:37.780 Gina Carano, a star of Disney's Star Wars TV show The Mandalorian, has been canceled.

00:00:45.440 She has been canceled apparently for something that she said about the Jews,

00:00:49.900 which sounds really bad, you know, and bigoted and everything.

00:00:52.560 We're going to get into what she actually said.

00:00:54.060 I don't think she said anything wrong whatsoever.

00:00:55.860 But even more broadly, if Disney executives don't like what Gina Carano has to say about the Jews,

00:01:03.300 just imagine their shock when they Google Walt Disney.

00:01:06.680 I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:08.160 Welcome back to the show. My favorite comment from yesterday is from Django Mike, who says,

00:01:20.400 I'm a brown-skinned, brown-haired, brown-eyed Native American who is a white supremacist,

00:01:25.220 according to the woke left, because I don't want to toe the line with their lunatic ideas.

00:01:29.340 You are. I know. I mean, I know that you're sort of saying this tongue-in-cheek, but they believe this.

00:01:35.080 I mean, they say this about Candace Owens or Ben Carson or Thomas Sowell or Clarence Thomas or,

00:01:43.420 you know, sort of, especially black, but, you know, other racial minorities too, who are conservative.

00:01:48.660 They will say, you are a white supremacist. You are, you're maybe not aware of it,

00:01:53.820 but you're laboring under a false consciousness. And that's why we need to raise awareness,

00:01:58.580 raise consciousness, and make you woke, right? It's all talking about the same thing.

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00:03:39.460 I think I was a little unfair to Walt Disney. You know, Walt Disney, there's this kind of

00:03:45.360 rumor that he hated the Jews or something. He was kind of a bigot. There's actually really no evidence

00:03:50.680 of this, but I figure it's a funny enough hit. Sam Canopy said a Baby Yoda though. I can't believe

00:03:56.260 they haven't canceled that guy yet. You get a couple drinks in Baby Yoda. You set him off talking

00:04:01.100 about the Jews and the Mexicans and the Italians. Oh my gosh. It's like, it's like little green David 0.74

00:04:07.400 Duke or something. But Gina Carano didn't say anything wrong. Disney put out a statement based

00:04:13.060 on Gina Carano's old social media posts. They say her social media posts denigrating people based on

00:04:19.240 their cultural and religious identities are abhorrent and unacceptable. Gosh, abhorrent and unacceptable. 1.00

00:04:26.640 Okay. What did she say? So I pulled up the post. This is the worst post they could find.

00:04:31.100 This, this is the height of her bigotry on social media. Gina Carano wrote, quote, Jews were beaten

00:04:38.380 in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers, but by their neighbors, even by children. Because history is

00:04:44.760 edited, most people don't realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up

00:04:50.100 thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews.

00:04:54.640 Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views? 0.93

00:04:59.540 Like she's saying, the Nazi regime had this hatred of Jews ethnically and religiously. And so it's not

00:05:06.960 like they just came in one day and everyone was being really nice to the Jews. And then the Nazis said,

00:05:10.440 well, no, we're going to be awful to them and round them up and, you know, commit all these atrocities.

00:05:14.920 No, they fomented a culture in which Jews were otherized, castigated, whatever term you want to use.

00:05:21.000 And Gina Carano is saying, this can be done politically as well. This can be done to people

00:05:26.880 based on their political views, just as it can be based on their ethnicity or based on their

00:05:30.840 religion. Duh, of course that's true. It's nothing, it's not denigrating Jews at all.

00:05:38.180 She's denigrating Nazis, but that seems perfectly fine. Is the issue here for Disney that Gina Carano

00:05:44.300 was making a Nazi comparison? Is Disney saying, you know, it's, it's wrong to invoke any sort of

00:05:51.020 Nazi imagery ever when making a political point? Fair enough. But if you were to, if you were to 0.80

00:05:56.640 hold that view, then most people would fall silent because the only two historical events, most people,

00:06:02.040 especially leftists know anything about is World War II and the fall of the Roman Empire, right?

00:06:06.500 That's all. Those are the only sort of events anyone ever invokes. Joe, Joe Biden just did this.

00:06:11.260 Joe Biden just compared Donald Trump to Goebbels like a few months ago.

00:06:18.140 We're not, the, the left, the entire left has been calling Donald Trump literally Hitler

00:06:23.300 and calling 75 million Americans Nazis for years.

00:06:29.100 But it's, it's wrong when Carano, she's not even exactly comparing the Democrats to Nazis. She's just

00:06:36.180 saying that this kind of culture in which conservatives are being ostracized and censored

00:06:39.960 and, and deplored that has historical parallels. Is that, is that the issue here?

00:06:50.080 Really the reason they're doing this, because I actually thought Gina Carano had already been fired. 1.00

00:06:53.980 This story came up months and months ago and it's, it's not because she said anything about the Jews

00:06:58.280 or because she said anything about the Nazis or because she said anything about anybody.

00:07:01.060 It's because she is a conservative and she supports Trump and she's made fun of woke culture. And so

00:07:06.400 the fix was always in, they were always going to try to get her. Now they're using this ridiculous

00:07:09.980 excuse. It's kind of like what they did to Megyn Kelly, which is you, you had people on network news 1.00

00:07:14.900 who wore blackface, right? You had, uh, uh, what's her, Joy Behar darkened her skin for a costume. 1.00

00:07:23.480 You had people on NBC where Megyn Kelly was working who would wear blackface in sketches. Totally fine. 1.00

00:07:30.820 But then Megyn Kelly one day was discussing the topic of blackface. She said, you know, 0.82

00:07:34.580 if you were to darken your skin to be part of a costume to portray an individual, not a race

00:07:40.920 broadly, but an individual, is that okay? And they fired her for it. They call it her blackface 0.97

00:07:45.540 controversy as it, as if raising the mere topic of blackface was so offensive. And yet for the other

00:07:52.720 hosts to actually wear it, not offensive at all. It's, it's because there's no principle here.

00:07:56.840 It's just that NBC didn't like Megyn Kelly. So they were going to kick her out. 1.00

00:08:00.820 People are calling this cancel culture. I wish we could retire that phrase because I don't think

00:08:07.460 it's helpful. It's obviously describing a real phenomenon. We're seeing it. It's where

00:08:10.320 conservatives or anyone who's not a radical leftist gets ostracized or fired or censored,

00:08:15.920 uh, for refusing to adhere to left-wing orthodoxy. So it's a, it's a real thing that's happening,

00:08:20.660 but a cancel culture doesn't describe it.

00:08:25.040 There are plenty of people who should be canceled. I'll give you an example just at Disney.

00:08:28.500 James Gunn made all those jokes about how he wanted to have sex with children.

00:08:35.180 If anybody is going to be canceled, James Gunn should be the one to be canceled, not Gina Carano.

00:08:40.600 I'll give you a further example though, because James Gunn might say, well, I was kidding. It was

00:08:43.760 in poor taste, but I'm a comedian. And so, you know, you got to give me a pass. Uh, Mark Hamill,

00:08:48.060 Luke Skywalker is accused of trying to coerce his son's girlfriend, who his son had knocked up

00:08:55.420 into killing the baby. So Mark Hamill allegedly pressured his son's girlfriend to kill his own

00:09:08.440 grandson. And there are apparently texts and messages and all this sort of stuff.

00:09:12.740 If that is true, Mark Hamill should be canceled. He should be not just fired from Star Wars,

00:09:20.160 not just fired from Disney. He should be removed from polite society. He should be ostracized.

00:09:26.860 He should be shunned. He should be canceled. He should not be invited to participate in things.

00:09:31.940 It's a very, very bad thing. He certainly should not be invited to participate in things until he

00:09:37.740 repents and says, he's sorry and acknowledges how awful that is because nobody seriously opposes

00:09:47.740 this broad definition of cancel culture. Nobody seriously believes that there ought to be no

00:09:54.400 consequences whatsoever for things that people say and do. Nobody believes if Gina Carano had walked 1.00

00:10:01.160 onto the set one day and said, Zig Heil, Heil Hitler had a swastika on her clothing. Nobody believes she

00:10:08.520 should keep her job. What people are saying, when they, when people oppose cancel culture, what they're

00:10:14.140 saying is that it, not that there should not be standards by which people rise and fall in their

00:10:19.560 careers, but rather that the standards that people are being judged by are ridiculous because in the

00:10:27.360 golden days, you would be judged by traditional standards. If you violate the traditional moral

00:10:30.980 order or traditional social mores, you would face consequences. But now it's completely upended

00:10:36.560 standards. It's left wing standards. And that's the real problem. But let's, let's not overstate our

00:10:44.180 case. Let's not say we're free speech purists. What does that mean? There's never been such a thing as

00:10:48.320 free speech purism. There have always been categories of speech that are not permitted in society

00:10:54.820 and sort of behaviors that are not permitted. What we are saying, we're actually saying something a

00:10:59.980 little harder. I think conservatives think it's really simple. It's easy. It's inoffensive to just

00:11:05.640 say, we support all speech. We support all actions. We don't want any standards. It's really easy. This

00:11:09.840 is why we've lost on political correctness. We need to say something that requires more courage. We need to

00:11:14.080 say some things are right. Some things are wrong. You should be permitted to say and do some things and

00:11:20.200 you should face consequences for saying and doing other things. We have to be willing to do that.

00:11:25.260 That kind of a regime of speech and behavior is going to exist. It has in every society and always

00:11:30.260 will. It's just right now we've completely ceded that ground to the left. Here's something else we

00:11:35.360 should cancel. Gender theory. We should cancel it. We shouldn't permit it. This radical gender theory 1.00

00:11:40.220 that says that men can be women and women can be men. You can't have a society that holds both views 0.88

00:11:44.200 at the same time because they're contradictory views. Either men are men and women are women and one

00:11:49.340 cannot become the other or there's no such thing as men and women and men can be men and women can

00:11:52.980 be become men can become women and women can become men. See how confusing this is? And there's

00:11:58.900 really no, no such thing as an immutable natural category of sex, but you can't hold both at the

00:12:04.140 same time because they're contradictory. So we have to cancel one. We have to exclude one. We have to

00:12:08.340 censor one. And the one we're going to cancel should be gender theory. This is what's happening right 0.98

00:12:13.220 now in Utah. Utah House of Representatives advanced a bill that would ban, quote,

00:12:18.160 biological boys from competing on female sports teams. There's no such thing as a biological boy

00:12:25.620 as distinct from some other kind of boy. I may have been, I mentioned this the other day,

00:12:29.760 but I may have been a little confusing in my language. There's just boys. They're biological

00:12:35.460 boys. They're spiritual boys. They're, they're boys in every way. And I, I actually think we err when we,

00:12:42.440 when we qualify these terms, well, he's a biological boy, but he's, therefore he might be some other

00:12:50.540 kind of girl. I don't, why, why are we qualifying it? Boys are boys, girls are girls. That's it.

00:12:54.940 Don't qualify it. If you're, if you say, well, I'm a biological boy, but I think I'm a girl. Well,

00:12:59.540 then, but you're a boy. You're, you're not a girl. You're, you're a confused boy. Utah trying to ban

00:13:05.940 gender theory. North Dakota just passed a similar bill. The, the lesson here is that real freedom

00:13:12.400 requires certain limits. It excludes certain things. It can't include everything.

00:13:20.320 Chesterton had a great line. He said, there's a thought that, that undermines thought. And that's

00:13:25.200 the only thought that ought to be undermined, right? There, there's a, if we don't have any limits in our

00:13:33.080 society, then we don't really have a society. You see this most clearly with borders, right? The

00:13:37.800 physical limits of our society. If we don't have borders to our society, then there's no country,

00:13:42.940 right? Because people can just come and go as they wish. There's no delineation of jurisdiction.

00:13:47.860 There's nothing holding the people together. There is no people. It's just nothing. You need,

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00:15:17.800 Something else that we should cancel these days, Gavin Newsom. Gavin Newsom is the

00:15:25.580 failed governor of California. Some of us call him Mussolini. He should be canceled. He should

00:15:31.580 lose his career. We should hear from him no more. He should go be a private citizen and enjoy fancy

00:15:37.680 dinners at the French Laundry and live his life. The effort to recall Gavin Newsom is actually picking

00:15:43.460 up steam. You know, this has been going on for, for years now. They've been trying to get to one and a

00:15:49.080 half million signatures to recall Newsom and then force a new election. And you'll have a lot of

00:15:54.120 different people running. They've done this in California before. That's how we got Schwarzenegger.

00:15:58.820 We have 1.4 million signatures right now. You need to get, by March 17th, you need to get 1.5 million.

00:16:05.720 So you'd say, okay, we're very close. It's easy. We're going to get a hundred thousand signatures,

00:16:08.640 but it's actually not that simple because what's going to happen then is democratic operatives are

00:16:13.240 going to come in and start taking out signatures and disqualifying them and saying, that guy no

00:16:17.120 longer lives here. That's not that guy's address, right? This happens in every campaign. So you

00:16:20.960 actually need to have many more signatures than the 1.5 million threshold. You probably need like 1.8,

00:16:26.180 maybe even 2 million signatures to really make this work. Good news. The RNC is investing a quarter

00:16:32.180 million dollars into the California recall campaign right now. So the Republican National

00:16:37.300 Committee is finally getting involved. This to me is a very good sign. Thus far, the RNC has not

00:16:43.380 gotten involved because these are long shot campaigns. The RNC has finite resources, so they

00:16:49.280 don't want to blow it on a campaign that's not going to work. The injection, even of just a quarter

00:16:53.260 million here, is a signal that there's a chance this recall effort is going to work. They're going to

00:17:00.520 need to put some money in here, just especially as the Democrats start putting more money to tamp

00:17:05.120 down the recall effort. Republicans are going to need to get a lot more signatures, maybe half a

00:17:10.600 million more, you know, even, even within the next month or so. But that's a good sign. We should

00:17:16.740 cancel Newsom. Somehow Newsom is not even the worst governor in the country right now. The worst governor

00:17:21.320 in the country, a man we should certainly cancel, Andrew Cuomo. You know, Andrew Cuomo has gotten credit

00:17:27.480 for being the greatest governor on COVID, even though his state leads in, or is at least very near to the top,

00:17:33.780 in total death count, death rate, just an absolute failure in the handling of coronavirus. And this

00:17:40.220 guy had the unmitigated goal to write a book about leadership lessons from COVID. It probably has the

00:17:44.960 same content as my first magnum opus, reasons to vote for Democrats, totally blank book.

00:17:51.860 So we've been saying for months and months, I spoke to my friend who's a New York state

00:17:55.840 assemblyman, Kevin Byrne, the other day.

00:17:57.600 We've been saying that Cuomo is directly responsible in his policies for a lot of extra deaths,

00:18:06.260 particularly among senior citizens, particularly in New York's nursing homes. The media won't cover

00:18:10.340 this sort of thing, but now it turns out we're right. Andrew Cuomo's top aide, her name is Secretary

00:18:20.680 to the governor, Melissa DeRosa. She just admitted and apologized in a phone call to Democratic lawmakers

00:18:27.260 for the coverup in New York nursing home deaths during the COVID epidemic. A coverup, I use that

00:18:35.620 word very specifically. This woman says that the Cuomo administration, quote, froze out of the fear

00:18:43.980 that the nursing home deaths, quote, the numbers would be against us by federal prosecutors and therefore

00:18:50.780 they wanted to hide the numbers from the feds so there wasn't an investigation. Thousands and

00:18:55.560 thousands and thousands of New York senior citizens died needlessly because of the Cuomo

00:19:00.820 administration's policies. They knew this at the time. When they realized it, they hid the numbers, not just

00:19:07.140 from you and me and the public, but from federal investigators and prosecutors because they knew how bad

00:19:12.700 this looked. She says, we apologize. We do apologize. I do understand the position that you were put in.

00:19:20.280 I know that it is not fair. Now, I'm hoping, listening to this, that she's apologizing to the families of

00:19:27.140 these dead senior citizens, right? It was not fair. We put you in this terrible position. I'm so sorry. No, that's 1.00

00:19:33.360 not who she's apologizing to. She goes on. It was not our intention to put you in that political position with

00:19:40.480 the Republicans. The woman is not apologizing. The Cuomo administration is not apologizing to the

00:19:47.560 families of these dead senior citizens. She's not apologizing to the senior citizens themselves. 0.57

00:19:52.720 She's apologizing to Democrats because their reckless policies that killed thousands of seniors

00:20:00.480 and the coverup that followed put Democrats in a bad political position. That's the kind of

00:20:06.900 administration we're talking about. This man, Andrew Cuomo, the worst governor in the country,

00:20:13.460 a truly corrupt politician. I've, I've had the privilege or displeasure of, of meeting Andrew

00:20:21.180 Cuomo a couple of times because I actually, we're from right around the same town in New York and I run

00:20:27.800 into him in other places. A real bulldog type of a guy, a pure political animal. He's been in it since

00:20:33.240 his dad was governor. It was clear to anybody with two eyes, what was going on during COVID,

00:20:39.800 but the mainstream media refused to report on it. Take a listen to their, as Andrew Cuomo's policies

00:20:45.060 were killing all these seniors. And as he was covering it up from the feds, this is how the

00:20:48.800 media covered him. David, we're standing by for governor Cuomo's press conferences, daily briefing.

00:20:54.260 How would you contrast Cuomo and President Trump's handling of the crisis?

00:20:59.340 Truth versus mendacity. Governor Cuomo, um, out there day after day after day, everything Trump

00:21:05.720 isn't honest, direct, brave. Real leadership of the kind the president of the United States

00:21:11.000 should have provided. Governor Cuomo is clearly living in a totally different reality,

00:21:16.780 the actual one, than the president of the United States. Governor Cuomo has become a national leader.

00:21:21.860 For a lot of people, Andrew Cuomo has become the leader of the Democratic Party.

00:21:25.340 He is conveying incredible strength. You spoke to National Guard troops today in a stirring speech

00:21:31.700 that if I wasn't listening carefully, I thought you were sending soldiers off to war. This has been

00:21:37.000 a remarkable show of leadership by Governor Cuomo in recent days. He's providing hope, but not false

00:21:43.000 hope. Governor Cuomo, I think is, is, is one of the heroes on the front lines. With all of this

00:21:48.240 adulation that you're getting for doing your job, are you thinking about running for president?

00:21:53.080 Are you? You should be. You're doing such a good job, Andrew Cuomo. You're doing such a wonderful job,

00:21:58.400 says his brother, Chris Cuomo. How corrupt is this whole edifice?

00:22:03.220 All the while they were pushing this propaganda, this dude, Cuomo, was through his policies,

00:22:10.760 killing senior citizens and through his other policies, covering it up.

00:22:14.500 Remember that next time you trust the media. The media is, frankly, that might not even be the

00:22:20.300 most embarrassing set of clips I've seen from the media recently. The most embarrassing one might

00:22:26.200 go to the, the eulogy for the founder of Hustler, Larry Flint. I didn't actually, I didn't even realize

00:22:31.960 Larry, Larry Flint had died. Larry Flint dies and this guy is one of the most famous pornographers

00:22:38.060 in the country, other than Hugh Hefner, probably the most famous one. And to show you how far our

00:22:44.560 speech regime, our, our understanding of the moral order has fallen and how much it has shifted in

00:22:52.040 recent decades, listen to the way that CBS covers the death of this pornographer.

00:22:57.940 Flint fought several high profile legal battles and became a target for feminists and the religious 1.00

00:23:02.340 right. Flint died of heart failure in Los Angeles. He was 78 years old, love him or hate him. He was

00:23:09.220 a controversial figure, but he really did change the way people thought about the first amendment.

00:23:14.060 That's absolutely true. He was also, I mean, it's interesting. He was, he opposed the death penalty.

00:23:17.540 He favored same-sex marriage. He spoke out against the U.S. invasion of Iraq. Politically,

00:23:22.080 he was very progressive. He was not what you might think that Larry Flint was going to be.

00:23:27.020 Yeah. Yeah. Some, and some reader of Hustler left a copy in a construction site when I was 10 near my

00:23:32.300 friend's house. What'd you do with it? And it changed my life forever.

00:23:36.180 And here you are on CBS's point. How about that?

00:23:40.180 This is very embarrassing for these people on, on many levels. It's a funny line. You know,

00:23:46.100 I found this, this porn magnet changed my life forever when I was 10 years old.

00:23:50.740 I think that's true. You know, I think that actually is true. And part of the reason right

00:23:55.800 now that on the right, this porn debate has come up, this question of should we regulate porn or

00:24:00.200 ban porn? You'll notice it's come up not from Gen X or the boomers or even millennials. It's really

00:24:07.340 come up from Gen Z. Why? Because Gen Z is the first generation that grew up with the internet all the

00:24:14.360 time, basically in a world saturated by not just a little nudie magazine, but by high speed internet

00:24:19.100 porn from the age of 10 or whenever, I think on average, it's people are about 11 years old when

00:24:23.520 they first discover porn in these younger generations. And it can really ruin your life.

00:24:28.420 You know, it can really make your life a lot harder. I think people make fun of, of these

00:24:33.620 zoomers when they say, we need to regulate porn. They say, oh yeah, you probably look at porn. Yeah,

00:24:38.600 they probably do. Because something like, what is it? 92% or something of men look at porn,

00:24:43.500 certainly have looked at porn. I think in terms of have seen naked ladies on the internet, 0.99

00:24:47.300 it's like 92% of men have done it and 8% of men are lying. It's what people say about the,

00:24:51.600 the statistics. Yes, they realize it's a real problem. And Larry Flint is in no small part

00:24:58.000 responsible for that. I couldn't get over it when that reporter said, you know, though,

00:25:02.740 believe it or not, Larry Flint was politically very progressive.

00:25:06.540 Gee, you don't say, oh, I thought he was a conservative Republican. I thought he was like

00:25:10.680 Edmund Burke, but oh, he's progressive, the pornographer. Wow. Shocking. Yeah. Larry Flint,

00:25:14.720 when Republican politicians would oppose the ubiquity of porn, he would go in and try to gin

00:25:21.180 up sex scandals for them in the 1990s. He endorsed Mark Sanford in 2013 for South Carolina's first

00:25:27.680 congressional district. As he said, quote, his open embrace of his mistress in the name of love,

00:25:32.000 breaking his sacred marriage vows was an act of bravery that has drawn my support.

00:25:37.200 That guy should be canceled. That kind of, that sort of culture should be canceled. That view of the

00:25:42.580 first amendment, which is completely at odds with the, with the understanding of our founding fathers

00:25:46.260 and the history, most of the history of our country, that should be canceled. It has to be,

00:25:50.460 you can't have both views. You can't have the view of the founding fathers of the first amendment and

00:25:54.600 the modern view at the same time. One view says we need to prioritize liberty, not licentiousness.

00:25:59.680 Licentiousness will destroy liberty. The modern view says licentiousness is liberty. Can't have them

00:26:04.040 both. You got to pick one. We should pick the founding fathers. We can all pray for Larry Flint's soul.

00:26:08.460 But when we think about his legacy, we should not celebrate it in the way that, that CBS is doing.

00:26:16.360 You know, one thing we can celebrate is getting a great deal on auto parts. You can do that at

00:26:21.620 rockauto.com. Rockauto.com is a family business serving auto parts customers online for 20 years.

00:26:26.860 Go to rockauto.com to shop for auto and body parts from hundreds of manufacturers. Best of all,

00:26:33.640 prices at rockauto.com are always reliably low. They're the same for professionals and do-it-yourselfers.

00:26:38.320 And the catalog is so easy that even I can navigate it. You know, look, I'm not going to,

00:26:43.260 I'm not going to pretend to be somebody I'm not. I'm not the handiest guy in the world. Okay.

00:26:48.240 When I go into the brick and mortar auto parts store and they start asking me questions about

00:26:51.720 whether I need the doohickey for the gizmo on my GT7 Hondas, I don't know. I have a, I have a,

00:26:57.360 I have a Honda. I don't know. You tell me what I need. And they go in the back,

00:27:01.020 they charge you twice as much and they probably order it on rockauto.com anyway. Skip all that

00:27:05.740 nonsense. Rockauto.com makes their selection so easy, so simple. Even I can do it. Go to

00:27:11.080 rockauto.com right now. See all the parts available for your car or truck. Simple enough. If I can do

00:27:18.340 it, you can do it. Uh, then write Knowles, K-N-A-W-L-E-S in there. How did you hear about us box?

00:27:22.880 That way they will know that we sent you. Go check out Rock Auto Family Business. So simple

00:27:28.000 to navigate. Even I can do it. Go check out Rock Auto. So the journalists have completely humiliated 0.97

00:27:36.580 themselves, not just in the last few weeks, obviously over many, many years, but, but

00:27:40.980 especially in the way they've covered Cuomo, uh, especially in the way they've, they're eulogizing

00:27:46.460 pornographers. It's, that is embarrassing stuff. Meanwhile, real journalists, real investigative

00:27:53.420 reporters doing real work who, who are exposing crooked leftists are getting canceled themselves.

00:28:00.520 James O'Keefe, James O'Keefe from Project Veritas. He's having his main Project Veritas account

00:28:05.680 being kicked off of Twitter. Why is he being kicked off of Twitter? Allegedly for sharing private

00:28:11.220 information. The real reason is because he's investigating big tech. So one of his investigators

00:28:15.960 goes up, finds a Facebook's VP, Guy Rosen, and, uh, starts talking to him outside of his

00:28:21.420 home. Uh, Twitter now says, this is private information because they showed part of the

00:28:26.480 guy's house in the shot. Obviously he was outside there and, uh, therefore, uh, you know, he's

00:28:32.540 got to be kicked off of Twitter. James O'Keefe responds and says, that's a ridiculous double

00:28:36.380 standard. Project Veritas talked to Rosen outside his residence. We asked him for comment.

00:28:43.120 He did not reply. There he is. When you talk about freezing comments containing hate speech,

00:28:48.820 what do you mean by that? The VP of integrity at Facebook showing how much integrity he has.

00:28:55.940 There's nothing in this tweet that violates private information. By the way, it's the

00:28:59.300 paragon of television reporting to speak with residents outside their homes when it comes

00:29:04.260 to matters of public importance. CNN also confronted an alleged Russian operative inside an apartment

00:29:10.160 building. Uh, the Telegraph does this all the time. Many reporters speak with people outside

00:29:16.120 on the street. It's just what reporters do. So we're actually not going to delete this tweet yet

00:29:22.020 because I think it would be unconscionable for me to have a different standard than the mainstream

00:29:27.540 press. Fair enough. James O'Keefe is making a very narrow point here, which is this is a typical

00:29:34.860 practice of journalists and they're holding me to one standard and they're not holding everyone else

00:29:39.100 to another. Broadly speaking, I think it's very wrong to go to the houses, even if prominent

00:29:43.900 people are public figures where their wife and children sleep. You know, I, I, I'm very fortunate

00:29:49.740 to live in a state with, uh, a broad understanding of the second amendment. And if anybody shows up to

00:29:55.080 my house to try to do any of us harm, uh, that would be unfortunate for that person. So I, in a way,

00:30:01.740 I'm, I'm actually quite sympathetic to the, uh, Facebook VP's point of view here, but we're talking

00:30:08.920 about a speech regime. We're talking about how big tech is going to handle this and the way they're

00:30:13.300 going to handle it is not with a standard. I'd actually be perfectly fine saying can't show up

00:30:17.620 to people's houses anymore. Sorry, can't do it. Okay, fine. You're going to apply that across the

00:30:21.500 board. I think maybe that actually is a little bit more civilized than what we're looking at now,

00:30:25.360 but that's not the standard. The standard is you can do whatever you want to the conservatives.

00:30:30.180 You can have elected Democrats saying, go show up to conservatives houses and scream in their

00:30:35.320 windows and scare them half to death. You have actual prominent Democrats doing that.

00:30:40.500 Meanwhile, if a conservative reporter shows up to a liberal guy's house and starts asking questions,

00:30:47.140 can't do that. Speaking of investigative journalism, this is a story I, we don't have too much to talk

00:30:53.400 about here, but I do want to at least bring it up. Uh, interesting piece in national review by Andy

00:30:58.660 McCarthy. Uh, this was based on reporting by revolver news, asking a simple question. What

00:31:03.900 happened to officer Sicknick? Officer Sicknick is that Capitol police officer who was killed following

00:31:09.900 the riot on January 6th. Uh, we've been told by the New York times and others, he was killed by this

00:31:15.520 pro Trump mob. We've been told that he was killed because someone smacked him over the head with a fire

00:31:20.260 extinguisher. But what Andy McCarthy does here and what the, what the revolver news piece does that

00:31:24.520 the national review piece is based on is asking, uh, is, as asked this question, why is the timeline

00:31:31.840 changing? We still don't have a cause of death for officer Sicknick. This event happened more than a

00:31:35.920 month ago. The story has changed. Now we're told he didn't die at the Capitol. He wasn't taken to the

00:31:41.120 hospital from the Capitol as we were initially told. He actually went back to his office and then

00:31:45.400 something happened and the, the story doesn't really add up. He had texted, uh, an associate

00:31:52.120 of his later on after the Capitol and said, Oh, I'm fine. You know, I, it doesn't say anything about

00:31:56.780 a head wound. There doesn't seem to be any evidence of a head wound now. So the story is very strange.

00:32:00.820 Obviously the death broadly, terribly sad event, but we need to know exactly what happened because

00:32:06.640 this is being used as basically the, the chief piece of evidence against Donald Trump in this

00:32:13.040 impeachment trial, the chief, chief, um, mode of ginning up this emotion, uh, during the impeachment

00:32:22.000 trial. We don't know what actually happened and no journalists are really looking into it other than

00:32:26.400 these guys, a revolver and now Andy McCarthy at national review. The central feature of this

00:32:31.520 impeachment trial, uh, as you'll have noticed, if you've been paying any attention to it, which I

00:32:36.980 don't recommend that you do is not argumentation. They're not making the argument that, you know,

00:32:42.680 Trump really committed this impeachable offense that they're referring to as incitement. They're

00:32:47.660 not really, they're not establishing any serious legal standard for incitement. Uh, they're just

00:32:53.260 trying to gin up emotion and playing lots of videos that really haven't, not a lot to do with

00:32:57.700 the case. So Senator Cruz was asked about this and he said, yeah, the impeachment trial, I was just

00:33:02.560 with Senator Cruz in, in DC. We were talking about it as well. He said, you know, this, this trial,

00:33:07.340 it's a, it's a lot of smoke, but there's, there's a lot of hot air, but there's no, nothing really

00:33:12.560 there. Well, I think we'll see that the trial continue for the rest of the week. Um, it, it,

00:33:18.760 it is reminiscent of, of Shakespeare that it is full of sound and fury and yet signifying nothing.

00:33:25.920 Right. It sounds, it sounds about right. Andrea Mitchell from NBC heard Senator Cruz describe the

00:33:32.820 impeachment trial this way. And she took to Twitter to say, quote, Senator Cruz says the

00:33:37.120 impeachment trial is like Shakespeare, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. No, that's

00:33:42.900 Faulkner. I saw that tweet and I thought, is this real? Is this a real tweet? And it's funny. I saw

00:33:52.380 Senator Cruz maybe an hour after she sent this and he comes to me and says, you're going to get a real

00:33:56.300 kick out of this. Did you see what Andrea Mitchell just said? I said, I did. I couldn't, I didn't know if I

00:33:59.920 was missing something. And I actually see how she might've gotten a little confused because

00:34:05.600 Faulkner has a novel called the sound and the fury, which is, but the, the title is based on

00:34:10.580 Shakespeare. The sound and fury signifying nothing. This is one of the most famous lines

00:34:14.540 of Shakespeare in, in his entire body of work. You, I'm sure you've heard it before. The whole,

00:34:20.520 the whole little bit is tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow creeps in this petty pace from day to day

00:34:26.300 to the last syllable of recorded time. And all our yesterdays have lighted fools the way to dusty

00:34:32.200 death. Out, out, brief candle. Life is but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and

00:34:37.360 frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound

00:34:42.900 and fury, signifying nothing. Tale told by an idiot. What I loved about Andrea Mitchell's tweet and to her

00:34:50.460 defense, she later apologized and she left the tweet up, kind of took her, took her lashings on social

00:34:55.460 media. What I love about it is this combination of ignorance, right? She doesn't know where the

00:35:02.460 quote is from and arrogance. To me, that perfectly describes our liberal elite. Ignorant, uneducated.

00:35:12.920 They have good credentials. I think Andrea Mitchell went, she went to a fancy school. I think she

00:35:16.520 majored in literature or something. A lot, a lot of good that did her, but also extraordinarily arrogant.

00:35:22.000 They, they really think that they're so much smarter than all the people who came in the past 0.99

00:35:25.560 and all the Republicans and all the half of these deplorable Americans. 0.77

00:35:32.160 You know, you're going to hear a lot of calls for unity and healing. You already are.

00:35:38.380 But there is a way we can unify and heal and the left understands it and the right does not.

00:35:44.940 Actually, Bruce Springsteen summed this up. One of the, one of the great minds of the left,

00:35:48.820 relatively probably is. Bruce Springsteen, a far left winger. He, he had an ad during the Super Bowl

00:35:54.940 where he talked about how we got to get back to the middle. This was an ad for Jeep, cars and trucks,

00:36:01.160 but it was really a political ad. Take a listen.

00:36:04.820 There's a chapel in Kansas standing on the exact center of the lower 48. It never closes. All are more

00:36:16.780 than welcome to come meet here in the middle. It's no secret. The middle has been a hard place to get

00:36:26.500 to lately. Between red and blue, between servant and citizen, between our freedom and our fear.

00:36:37.540 Now, fear has never been the best of who we are. And as for freedom, it's not the property of just

00:36:45.300 the fortunate few. It belongs to us all. Whoever you are, wherever you're from, it's what connects us.

00:36:56.500 And we need that connection. We need the middle.

00:37:01.900 We need the middle. Now it's, it's ironic because Bruce Springsteen is one of the most radical left

00:37:06.120 wing guys in public life, you know, in the entertainment industry. Uh, and he's talking about

00:37:11.140 how we need to be in the middle. It's also ironic because it's an ad for Jeep and, uh, Bruce Springsteen

00:37:15.480 just in the last few days got busted on a Dewey. He was, he was drunk driving. So that's kind of

00:37:19.660 funny too. But I actually want to get to the point he's talking about. He's saying it's all about the

00:37:23.180 middle. We got to meet in the middle. How is the middle defined? The middle has moved a lot

00:37:27.020 in the last 60 years in this country. It's moved very far to the left. Why? Because the middle is

00:37:32.180 defined by boundaries. The middle is defined by the left most limit and the right most limit.

00:37:37.820 And beyond those limits, you get canceled, right? Beyond those limits, you are not allowed to say

00:37:44.840 those things. Those are not socially acceptable. Some people call it the Overton window, the window

00:37:49.420 of acceptable dialogue. The middle is defined by where the ends are, where the limits are.

00:37:55.100 Therefore, we need to define those ends. We need to get past this kind of vague talk about cancel

00:38:01.200 culture and actually talk about the limits, talk about those ends. What the left has done very

00:38:06.880 successfully is they've pushed the right side of it way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way in their

00:38:11.300 direction. So now if you're just a mainstream, regular old conservative, you're Gina Carano and

00:38:15.960 you say, I like Donald Trump and you use a kind of basic political metaphor that everybody uses,

00:38:21.340 you get canceled. You're not allowed to say that. Meanwhile, on the left, you can say, I hate my

00:38:24.220 country. You can bail out rioters. You can do it. You can kind of do whatever you want and you're

00:38:28.660 totally fine. So if we want to reclaim the middle, we've got to reclaim the boundaries and move

00:38:32.340 them back in a saner direction. Drew is going to be talking about Gina Carano getting canceled.

00:38:38.400 So tune in for that on the Andrew Klavan show. He's also going to be talking about China and

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00:39:20.860 Welcome back. My absolute favorite time of the week, the mailbag. First question from Skylar.

00:39:27.480 Dear Mr. Knowles, on your show, you said that you were strongly opposed to the free market

00:39:33.020 mentality that many conservatives continue to maintain in light of the big tech oligarchy.

00:39:37.400 Regarding this, what is the remedy you propose outside of the free market? And if your remedy

00:39:41.740 is found in government intervention, how do you justify it looking to the government to

00:39:44.860 solve our problems? I hope that this piques your interest. I'm a big fan of your show and

00:39:49.180 the Daily Wire as a whole. Thank you very much. I want to clarify because I don't think this

00:39:52.780 is my position at all. I'm not strongly opposed to the free market. I love the free market.

00:39:58.780 I consider myself a strong defender of free markets in their proper place.

00:40:06.440 The free market is a wonderful instrument for human flourishing, but the free market is not an

00:40:12.640 end in and of itself. It's not a political end in and of itself, nor is it even a practical

00:40:19.040 concept. There's no such thing as a purely free market. The market is defined by its boundaries,

00:40:25.220 which are defined through politics. And you want to have a robust market setup, but there's no such

00:40:35.580 thing as a market without boundaries. Just think of a regular physical marketplace. The physical

00:40:39.820 marketplace has boundaries to it. It has different shops in it. It's got different rules of how exchange

00:40:46.520 is done. It has currency. It has all of these kinds of features that, that we get, not from

00:40:51.440 our brilliant reason and abstraction exclusively. We get it also from our tradition. We get it also from

00:40:57.960 practice. We get it also from our ritual. We get it also from how it's existed in America before.

00:41:02.680 So specifically to your question on big tech, you're right. I, I think that the heretofore

00:41:10.480 conservative line of, uh, you don't like big technology companies controlling the flow of

00:41:15.480 information, build your own Google, build your own Twitter. I think that's preposterous.

00:41:20.500 These are not private companies in any real sense of that word. They work with the government. They

00:41:25.680 work with the ruling regime. They are monopolistic in many ways. They've, uh, they've grown in large

00:41:31.480 part through fraud by defrauding customers on what they are really getting, what kind of freedom

00:41:35.600 they'll have on the platform and by exploiting legal loopholes. Notably, as we've often talked

00:41:42.380 about, not just on this show, but on the right through section 230 of the Communications Decency

00:41:47.140 Act. So yeah, I don't think we should have any sentimentality for, for these big tech companies.

00:41:55.020 What they are doing is controlling the flow of information in what is the public square now,

00:41:59.600 which is the internet and in a republic, in a self-governing republic, that communication,

00:42:04.840 that, that ability to persuade people. That is politics, right? That is how politics is conducted.

00:42:09.340 So we can't allow them to have that kind of power. What am I proposing? You're saying,

00:42:12.820 are you going to turn to the government for help? You can't turn to the government.

00:42:15.980 Government can't help you. This presumes a, what I think is a, an unfortunate view of politics that

00:42:25.740 has cropped up over the last 20 or 30 years or so on the right that, that says basically there's no

00:42:31.680 legitimate role for government whatsoever to do anything in society. If we really believe that

00:42:37.820 we are anarchists, do you think that conservatives, if they're really being true to their principles,

00:42:43.820 are anarchists? No. The, the only anarchists we see in public life right now are the ones in

00:42:49.420 Portland with Antifa burning down buildings. Do you think they're conservative? Do you think

00:42:52.880 they're right wing? No. The, there is a role for the state. I'm a great defender of the state,

00:43:00.080 just like I'm a great defender of free markets. I'm at, I'm going to go on the other side and I'll

00:43:03.240 say I'm a great defender of the state in its proper place. The state is good. Law and order

00:43:08.800 is good. You can't have freedom without law and order, without a state to protect the rules,

00:43:15.980 you know, to police certain people, to protect private property, among other things.

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00:43:48.100 ensure your title is still in your name. You don't want the state to get out of its place.

00:43:54.960 When, when you make an idol out of the state, you become a statist. Statism is wrong. When you make an

00:44:03.240 idol out of the free market, you become, I don't know, a worshiper of mammon or something. I don't

00:44:08.060 know. You, you, you, you go very wrong though. Chesterton had this great line. He said that,

00:44:12.560 you know, heresy generally speaking, he's talking about religion here, obviously. Heresy is not

00:44:19.180 the promotion of vice over virtue so much as it is the promotion of one virtue to the exclusion of

00:44:26.220 the other virtues out of place. You know, he was, he's talking about his friend, George Bernard Shaw,

00:44:30.660 who was a sort of radical atheist socialist, pretty good playwright actually, but you know,

00:44:36.600 radical left winger, but he was friends with Chesterton. He said that the problem with Bernard

00:44:40.460 Shaw is not that he doesn't have a great big heart. He's got a very great big heart, but it's in the

00:44:45.000 wrong place. So we don't, we want things to be in their proper place. We want markets. We want

00:44:50.600 a state. We want a respect for the individual. We want a respect for family and these civil

00:44:57.460 institutions. We want them all ordered toward the good, which is what, which is what society aims at.

00:45:04.640 The constitution is clear about this, right? To promote the general welfare, to secure the blessings

00:45:10.100 of liberty. Not even liberty as an end in and of itself. Liberty as an instrument to secure

00:45:13.860 the blessings of liberty, which is human flourishing, ultimately ordered toward the good. I hope that

00:45:19.380 clears it up from Timothy. Hey Michael, thank you for your insights and wisdom. Thank you for the

00:45:23.400 compliment. I have a question about George Orwell. I recently looked up Orwell on Wikipedia. I was

00:45:27.600 shocked to see them proudly proclaim that he was a democratic socialist. How can that be true? It seems

00:45:32.540 to me that 1984 is not just a rebuttal of totalitarianism, but also of socialism. Orwell describes

00:45:37.600 in the book how capitalism created so much surplus in the world that the governments had to come in and

00:45:42.720 control the supply so that the people were kept in a state of constant misery. How could a socialist

00:45:47.140 write this book? Thank you. Yeah, it's a good question. This comes up a lot. Orwell was a democratic

00:45:51.120 socialist and he said, actually in other writings, he said, everything I've written is in defense of

00:45:56.560 democratic socialism with an important caveat, as I understand it. And I hate to presume to say that he

00:46:03.720 didn't understand it very well, but what you have to understand the historical context of the times

00:46:08.320 end of these terms. You just use the term capitalism. Capitalism is a word basically

00:46:14.220 popularized by Karl Marx, right? It's, it's a term that is, the reason we use it today is basically

00:46:21.380 because of communists. And Marxism presupposes capitalism, right? Capitalism is actually a part

00:46:27.080 of Marxism. It's a stage in historical development after which we can then, you know, overthrow our shackles.

00:46:33.160 There'll be a big class revolution and there, there'll be no state in this kind of utopian world.

00:46:36.560 That, of course, never happens in reality. So when Orwell is writing, he's writing against

00:46:42.420 Stalin, Stalinism, that is to say the reality of the Soviet Union. But he's still laboring as so

00:46:49.620 many intellectuals labored at that time, probably most intellectuals labored at that time under the

00:46:54.340 idea that socialism or even, I suppose, communism could be redeemable. It's just they got the wrong

00:46:59.960 one. You know, you see this with the Trotskyists and the Trotskyites. They're, they're called both

00:47:05.060 terms, which is people who were disillusioned with how Stalin was running the Soviet Union,

00:47:09.340 but they couldn't, they couldn't admit that, that Stalin was a natural conclusion of their

00:47:15.060 ideology. So they, they had to say, no, it just went wrong. You know, true socialism,

00:47:19.000 true communism has never been tried. If Trotsky had held power, you know, this kind of rival

00:47:23.600 of Stalin, if Trotsky had held power, then we would have this utopia on earth. And it's just not true.

00:47:29.500 You know, Trotsky, because he didn't really amass ultimately this political power, he's made this

00:47:34.620 kind of martyr of the true good communism. But you know, if Trotsky had power, it would have been the

00:47:38.220 same exact thing. Stalin just managed to do it. And one could, one could go on at, at great length 0.78

00:47:45.620 about what actually happened in the Soviet Union. But suffice it to say, Orwell was writing against

00:47:54.240 communism and socialism in practice. And he, he was not able to give up his, his views of

00:48:00.020 what socialism could be, which, which was true of virtually all the smart people at the time,

00:48:04.640 and even many smart people today, even though there's so, so misguided on it. From Owen,

00:48:09.320 dear Michael, I was just confirmed into the Catholic church and my saint name was Thomas

00:48:12.920 after St. Thomas Aquinas. What was your saint name? And what is your advice for me as I move on to the

00:48:18.960 next phase of my faith? Thanks and God bless. Why that's so wonderful. I, my confirmation name is

00:48:24.040 also Thomas. I don't know if it was Thomas the Apostle or Thomas Aquinas. I picked it when I

00:48:33.660 was 13, when I was a precocious and ignorant little agnostic veering toward atheism. And I chose that

00:48:40.260 name one because Thomas was a doubter and also because Thomas Aquinas was very intelligent. So I

00:48:45.540 think I chose Thomas the Apostle. I consider Thomas Apostle to be my confirmation saint, but I don't know,

00:48:50.660 I guess it could have been Thomas Aquinas too. Hope I get both of those guys to,

00:48:53.500 you know, pray for me. I am right now reading Boethius or rereading Boethius. I haven't,

00:48:59.700 I haven't read him since college. On whose consolation of philosophy and on whose writing

00:49:04.360 Thomas Aquinas or from whose writing Thomas Aquinas draws great inspiration. So, and I'm also

00:49:11.060 watching all these series from the Thomistic Institute. So I'm really trying to delve a little

00:49:14.200 bit more into, to Thomas Aquinas. So that's great. I would encourage you to check out Boethius and the

00:49:19.380 Thomistic Institute. And most importantly, to just make sure your prayer life is, and your

00:49:24.520 ultimate, the ultimate prayer, you know, going to the Holy Mass and receiving the Eucharist and

00:49:27.980 receiving the sacraments. To make sure that you are doing that regularly. Nightly rosary is very,

00:49:33.240 very important sort of thing. And welcome home. That's great. From Bernard. Hello, Michael.

00:49:38.460 Wonder if this is Bernard Shaw. Wouldn't that be weird? From beyond the grave. He's looking up at us

00:49:42.920 right now from, from the afterlife. I hope that you and your new baby are doing well. Greetings

00:49:47.040 from a fellow trad Catholic. Oh, that's great. Good to hear from you. So my question has to do

00:49:51.340 with something you said that was not the focal point of anything that you were saying, but it

00:49:55.760 always irritates me when people say it. Why did you say that America was founded with Plymouth Rock

00:50:00.600 in 1620, not Jamestown in 1608? I get that you have a personal connection to the Mayflower and I'm

00:50:06.440 asking you this question, realizing that it is, it is commonly taught. I just do not understand why

00:50:10.720 people place so much importance on Plymouth Rock that they literally act like Jamestown never

00:50:14.420 existed. I mean, isn't that kind of insulting to Virginians like Washington, Jefferson, Madison,

00:50:18.940 Henry, et cetera, to write out the first English settlement in the States? Great, great question.

00:50:23.680 I'm so glad you asked this because it's true. Jamestown happened before the Mayflower. Jamestown

00:50:30.100 was 1608, right? The slave ship arriving, the 1619 project happened before the Mayflower. It was 1619,

00:50:36.940 Mayflower was 1620. We just celebrated the 400th anniversary of the Mayflower. The reason I trace

00:50:43.300 America's founding to the Mayflower and the reason that so many people in American history have traced

00:50:48.660 it to the Mayflower is that the Mayflower provides a philosophical and a theological basis for the

00:50:55.420 country in a way that Jamestown did not. Obviously, Jamestown contributes to the founding of America.

00:51:00.340 Christopher Columbus greatly contributes to the founding of America.

00:51:03.380 I guess 1619, in a way, contributes to the founding of America. I guess a lot of these

00:51:09.200 things did. 1776, obviously, is the founding of the country, and yet we tend to trace the founding

00:51:14.360 of our country earlier, right? It's the founding of the United States, but we tend to trace the

00:51:19.600 founding of our country earlier. I choose 1620 because I think it represents the, in economic ways,

00:51:28.140 in cultural and social ways, in religious ways, a sort of coherent vision for the founding of the

00:51:35.620 country. The 1619 project did not seek to rewrite American history. That's what they ended up kind

00:51:41.520 of doing because they had, they lied in many ways about the American Revolution. But what that woman, 1.00

00:51:46.320 Nicole Hannah-Jones said, is she wants to reframe American history. History has to have frames,

00:51:50.700 you know, you're, you're kind of defined by the limits, right? And I think we ought to frame

00:51:54.460 American history largely on the Mayflower, on 1620. I think that frames the country in a way that is

00:52:01.020 true to, to its history, conservative history, and even the kind of puritanical, neo-puritanical

00:52:08.480 progressives. I think American history makes a lot more sense when you look at it through the lens

00:52:13.720 of the Mayflower than through other lenses. All right, that's our show. I'm Michael Knowles.

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The Michael Knowles Show - February 12, 2021

Ep. 699 - Everyone Loves Cancel Culture

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