The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 7 - ‘Gender Fluid’ Toddler？ Send Zer To Trans Camp!

00:00:00.000 Is your four-year-old gender fluid? Well, now you can send him or her or Zim or Zer to transgender summer camp for kids in, where else? The San Francisco Bay Area. Plus, we'll have roaming millennial Amanda Prestigiacomo and Jacob Airey join the panel of deplorables to discuss, speaking of the youths, social media depression among kids, President Trump's tough talk on North Korea, and the urgent need for the government to regulate sex robots. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:00:30.000 The Michael Knowles.

00:01:00.000 The kids are toddlers. The ages of the people who go are 4 to 12. The parents of the people who go are obviously abusive and very confused. So this camp is not new. This camp's been around for three years.

00:01:11.940 It just made big headlines recently because the enrollment has increased by three times just this year. So obviously, transgenderism is in the air. We're talking about it all the time in the culture.

00:01:23.880 And apparently, this has been good business for transgender youth camp. One of the directors said, it has been a sea change. Maybe we can even call it a tsunami in the number of little kids showing up with their families. 0.58

00:01:36.720 And so when the kids show up, even when they're four years old, they are asked when they register which pronoun they would prefer to be called by. And it's either she or he or Z or whatever.

00:01:48.080 And for the record, Marshall, I would only like to be referred to with the pronoun sir, sir or master in the accusative. Sir in the – well, make a note and we'll talk about it later.

00:01:58.540 Luckily, we have obtained a letter from one of the attendees of this camp. We get access to great stuff at this show. We have obtained a letter. Can we play it?

00:02:07.540 Take me home. Oh, not a father. Take me home. I hate Granada. Don't leave me out in the forest where I might get eaten by a bear.

00:02:24.180 Take me home. I promise I will not make noise.

00:02:32.180 So trans camp is apparently like a band camp. It's much more socially isolating, obviously, and confusing. But it's just like any other camp. You go to basketball camp. You go to baseball camp, whatever. 0.93

00:02:44.700 It is a little interesting in that most summer camps that we think of are camps to do something. So I had to go to basketball camp when I was a kid one time. It turned out about as you would expect, I think.

00:02:57.440 But this is a camp about who you are imagining yourself to be, who you deeply think yourself to be. And obviously, adolescence is a very confusing time. We take on a lot of different identities that we try out.

00:03:10.080 No joke. When I was four years old, I did identify as Batman for about a month. I had people call me Batman. Seriously. And that's just a very imaginative time.

00:03:20.260 These parents are obviously taking it to be some deep, profound, immutable fact of their child's existence and sending this to their camp. It can't possibly be good.

00:03:30.060 But, you know, even the founder of this camp, Sandra Collins, admits, quote, a decade ago, the camp wouldn't have existed. Eventually, I do believe it won't be so innovative.

00:03:39.820 She's probably right. She said, I didn't know you could be transgender at a very young age, but my daughter knew for sure at two. 0.93

00:03:47.760 I don't know if that's exactly right. What could go wrong with allowing your two-year-old to deny the facts of their biology and to deny reality to their parents?

00:03:57.000 Well, there are a lot of scientific data on this that I think the mainstream media are ignoring.

00:04:02.080 And I'm sorry if I know these scientific data. That is called hate speech if you're at Google or you work for the mainstream journalist outlets.

00:04:09.400 But we know there are high rates of post-op regret. People who transition from one gender to another, they undergo surgery to look more like the other sex, and they regret it later.

00:04:21.080 Some of these studies put the number at 20%. So one in five people who undergo this process and these surgeries, according to some studies, regret it, ultimately go back, or they are just upset that they made that decision.

00:04:34.060 Most children who identify as transsexual or as the other sex, the vast majority of those kids will change their mind by the time they become adults.

00:04:44.320 They go on to lead perfectly normal lives. One study puts that number as high as 80%.

00:04:49.000 80% of kids who identify they're a boy but they think they're a girl will change their mind by the time they pass through puberty and enter into adulthood.

00:04:57.760 Now, there was a review of more than 100 international medical studies, so this is a meta-analysis of all these studies, that found, quote,

00:05:05.800 no robust scientific evidence that gender reassignment surgery is clinically effective.

00:05:10.920 And this is why Paul McHugh, who was a pioneer of this surgery at Johns Hopkins, he was chair of psychology at Johns Hopkins,

00:05:18.220 he stopped doing the surgery because, quote,

00:05:20.880 there's little scientific evidence for the therapeutic value of interventions that delay puberty or modify the secondary sex characteristics of adolescence.

00:05:30.400 There is no evidence that all children who express gender, atypical thoughts, or behavior should be encouraged to become transgender.

00:05:38.600 And that's what, you know, trans is in the news all the time.

00:05:41.180 You can't escape it.

00:05:42.880 For some reason, an issue that affects a vanishingly small percentage of the population is all anybody wants to talk about anymore,

00:05:49.380 especially on the left.

00:05:51.180 But what is really worth talking about here is that we're talking about kids.

00:05:56.660 So if you put a kid on this road, you tell a four-year-old boy that he's really a girl,

00:06:01.460 that's going to lead to a lot of confusion.

00:06:03.800 But if you tell a prepubescent kid that you indulge in these delusions and that the boy is really a girl

00:06:09.520 and you suppress their puberty hormones, you're mutilating them for life.

00:06:14.260 I mean, that damage is not easily undone if it's possible to fix it at all.

00:06:18.880 And, you know, there are people who have gone through this when they were children who have come to regret it.

00:06:24.820 We have their testimonies.

00:06:26.480 They talk about it.

00:06:27.380 Here is one example.

00:06:30.020 Hi.

00:06:30.740 My name is Carrie.

00:06:31.740 I'm a 22-year-old detransition woman.

00:06:34.200 I was a pediatric transitioner, so I started medical transition when I was underage.

00:06:39.500 And I stopped transitioning nearly a year ago.

00:06:43.160 And for me, detransition involves, you know, a lot of thought and a lot of unlearning of what I understood about myself.

00:06:49.760 When I was transitioning, I felt a lot of intense, very intense body dysphoria that felt very innate and very integral at the time to the way I perceived myself in the world.

00:07:00.620 And what I came to realize eventually was that this was not the case, that there were all these factors that played into my dysphoria,

00:07:08.500 dissociation and feelings of inferiority for being female and depression, body dysmorphia.

00:07:15.820 You know, all of these things contributing to this kind of general sense of alienation, sense of otherness from the people around me and specifically from other women.

00:07:24.880 And there are these conditions that go along with gender dysphoria.

00:07:31.320 There is a two to three times increase in likelihood, if you have gender dysphoria, that you'll suffer from some other mental affliction, including anxiety or depression or so on and so forth.

00:07:42.520 Obviously, we know that the suicide rates, according to most studies, are identical pre and post-op.

00:07:49.960 And the left and people who support the transgenderism movement would say, well, that's social stress.

00:07:56.640 The kids are bullied at school.

00:07:58.140 If we just stop bullying them, those rates go away.

00:08:00.980 There's very little evidence of this.

00:08:02.660 There's that might be a factor, but there's no reason to believe that that's the main factor or or the, you know, the sole factor when it comes to all of these other conditions that accompany gender dysphoria.

00:08:14.740 Let's let let Carrie keep going on. 1.00

00:08:17.380 So when I was transitioning, every every step of transition really, really felt like this huge high of relief from dysphoria.

00:08:24.780 But sooner or later, you know, it would come back in another form.

00:08:28.040 So, you know, once I was on testosterone, I wanted to change my name.

00:08:31.900 Once I changed my name, I wanted a mastectomy.

00:08:34.000 Once I had a mastectomy, I wanted a hysterectomy, a bottom surgery, so on and so forth.

00:08:39.020 This is a really common topic in trans circles, you know, shifting dysphoria.

00:08:44.240 And at some point, I realized that that wasn't going to stop.

00:08:49.060 Transition didn't really make my dysphoria better.

00:08:51.800 It just kind of kept moving the goalposts.

00:08:54.600 So moving the goalposts is exactly the point.

00:08:57.340 And the issue here is that Carrie, this girl, was treating the symptoms of her psychological condition.

00:09:03.840 She wasn't treating the root cause of it, if there is a even is a way to treat the root cause of it.

00:09:08.920 And so it just kept moving.

00:09:10.320 The more she transitioned, the more she did, the more she had to do, the more she felt that she had to do.

00:09:15.580 And Carrie started transitioning, going through this process at 17. 0.67

00:09:19.960 She was underage.

00:09:21.160 Now, you know how crazy 17-year-olds are.

00:09:24.840 You know how crazy you were at 17, how different you were at 17 than you are as an adult.

00:09:29.880 No, Michael, I'm exactly the same.

00:09:30.900 Well, this kid, Marshall's exactly the same.

00:09:33.100 Marshall hasn't matured physically or emotionally since he was seven.

00:09:36.260 But for most people, they do change over time.

00:09:39.300 And imagine if she wasn't 17.

00:09:41.940 Imagine if she were seven. 0.97

00:09:42.960 Imagine if she were four years old, which is what's going on at this camp in San Francisco.

00:09:46.380 Cannot be good.

00:09:48.560 There's another example of not just people who went through this as kids, but also people who went through the transition and changed their gender when they were adults, regretting it not long after.

00:10:00.820 Here's an example.

00:10:01.740 He's pretty prominent.

00:10:02.940 He's talked about this in written books about it.

00:10:04.620 Walt Heyer, who went through the surgery and experienced regret years later.

00:10:09.060 Do we have him?

00:10:09.500 Here with us now by Skype is speaker and author of several books addressing sex change regret, Walt Heyer.

00:10:17.040 Walt, thanks for joining us today.

00:10:18.860 Yeah, thanks for having me on.

00:10:20.580 Now, first of all, not only have you done extensive research on sex change surgery, you've been through the process yourself, but you say it fixed nothing.

00:10:29.520 What can you share with us about that?

00:10:30.940 Yeah, you know, when people go through this gender change, there's very high expectations that, you know, their life is just going to be wonderful and everything's going to be great.

00:10:42.200 And I can tell you the way it starts, that was true for me.

00:10:46.020 But then there's a time, what I call, when you kind of begin to sober up and realize that gender reassignment surgery really doesn't make you a female.

00:10:56.800 It's much more to being a woman than just having some cosmetic surgery and hormones. 1.00

00:11:02.380 So it didn't fix the problem for Walt.

00:11:05.080 And he lived for eight years as a woman, appearing to be a woman and wearing women's clothing. 0.50

00:11:10.880 But it didn't fix the problem.

00:11:12.500 And this surgery that he's now reversed or tried to fix by other surgical means has really damaged his life.

00:11:19.700 He talks openly about that.

00:11:21.240 And he was encouraged by others to do it.

00:11:23.180 And that's what we're seeing a lot in the culture now.

00:11:25.600 Bruce Jenner was encouraged by a lot of people to transform into Caitlyn Jenner.

00:11:30.060 These kids are being encouraged by their parents at age four to indulge in this delusion.

00:11:35.140 And it pulls on the heartstrings a little bit because it's a real affliction.

00:11:39.560 And also because men and women don't look that different, especially like someone like Marshall, you know.

00:11:44.900 I mean, if you put Marshall next to a woman, it would be very different. 0.72

00:11:48.440 Well, I'll use another example.

00:11:49.860 If I put on these glasses, I am indistinguishable from Rachel Maddow.

00:11:53.980 But so obviously men and women are of the same species.

00:11:57.840 They share a lot of physical traits.

00:12:00.040 Just ask Google about that.

00:12:03.140 But the psychological problems and therefore the philosophical problems that come up with it are a little clearer when you look at other forms of body dysmorphia and delusion.

00:12:12.600 There is an extreme example, a guy whose name is Stalking Cat, Dennis Abner.

00:12:17.500 Do we have it?

00:12:19.760 Dennis never considered himself human.

00:12:22.280 In Dennis' eyes, his transformation is only a formality.

00:12:25.640 Everything I see and do, I relate to as a cat.

00:12:29.180 I'm told I purr in my sleep, so.

00:12:32.080 But there's this guy, a Stalking Cat.

00:12:34.820 He is a man who, I think he was in the Navy, and then he decided to get $200,000 worth of surgery to tattoo his face, pull up his cheeks, have whiskers sticking out, cut off parts of his ears.

00:12:47.740 All so that he could appear more like a cat, because he was under the impression that he really, deep down inside somewhere, is a cat.

00:12:55.780 He has cat-like abilities and what have you.

00:12:58.940 And it's a funny story.

00:13:00.660 Obviously, it is out there. 0.95

00:13:02.780 It looks kind of ridiculous. 0.81

00:13:04.560 But it's really sad because this is a real human being. 0.90

00:13:07.200 And we can see much more clearly what happens when we indulge delusion, when it's not just a boy becoming like a girl, when boys and girls can look like each other, but when it's a boy trying to look like an animal or something to that effect.

00:13:21.500 This is ultimately, I think, what brings up the central flaw in the left's embrace of transgenderism, the central contradiction, which is that the left on the one hand says men and women are exactly the same.

00:13:33.580 They're indiscernible, that just talk to Google, fired a guy for contradicting this yesterday.

00:13:39.160 Men can do everything that women can do and vice versa. 1.00

00:13:41.360 There are no categorical differences.

00:13:42.880 On the other hand, they're saying that the sexes are so totally different that if you feel that you are a certain way metaphysically or you really want to be a different way metaphysically, you should undergo costly, painful, and extensive surgery just to have the cosmetic appearance of looking like that other sex.

00:13:59.280 They've never been able to resolve this conflict, and I think that's why, I think it has shown one of the major paradoxes at the heart of leftist intersectional hierarchies.

00:14:10.880 But, now that we've talked about the transgender camp, now that we've talked about leftist hierarchies, we have to get to the exciting part of the show, our panel of deplorables. 0.97

00:14:19.980 We have with us, again, Roaming Millennial, you know her from all the YouTubes, The Daily Wire's favorite, Amanda Presta Giacomo, and for some reason, Jacob Berry is back.

00:14:30.020 Roaming, are we being unfair here?

00:14:32.680 These children can suffer intensely.

00:14:34.840 They get bullied. 0.99

00:14:35.900 Why shouldn't we ship them off to transgender camp? 1.00

00:14:38.080 Well, I think, you know, to answer the first question that you posed at the beginning of the show, is your child gender fluid?

00:14:45.260 Regardless of how you feel about the transgender issue, I think we could all agree that nobody is gender fluid at all. 0.99

00:14:50.960 It's just not a real thing.

00:14:51.960 I always try not to talk about gender fluids.

00:14:54.120 I find it very impolite, but I agree with you.

00:14:56.300 Probably that's true.

00:14:58.620 Right, and, you know, I mentioned this the last time I was on with you guys,

00:15:03.120 but when it comes to children, I think trying to impose these sort of gender ideologies, it is child abuse. 0.77

00:15:09.720 And, you know, a lot of people say, no, you know, it's just, we want what's best for the kids.

00:15:13.960 This isn't, you know, any sort of indoctrination.

00:15:16.680 They're actually, they're well-documented instances.

00:15:18.780 Anytime you hear about these, you know, these transgender children activists, I mean, they're not, you know what I mean. 1.00

00:15:25.660 A lot of them are either themselves trans or have been trans activists before their children were born.

00:15:31.340 And you've got to think to yourself, okay, wait, only a fraction of a percent of people in the general population is actually trans.

00:15:37.000 So what is the likelihood of a trans person or someone who is already a trans activist then having a trans child?

00:15:43.080 It's like, no, I think there's definitely a case where, as a parent, these people are inflicting their ideologies

00:15:48.900 and their views on gender onto their children.

00:15:51.320 And it's something that I think a lot of children are going to have issues dealing with as they grow up.

00:15:54.980 It has become very ideological.

00:15:57.300 I mean, that is why, just as you said, there are not a lot of these people in the world.

00:16:01.540 You know, there are a handful of these people around.

00:16:04.680 And yet it's all we hear about.

00:16:06.140 It's all we're talking about.

00:16:06.940 There are TV shows about it.

00:16:08.200 It's always in the news.

00:16:09.440 But there doesn't appear to be a cure.

00:16:11.240 So, Amanda, if there isn't a cure for this at the moment, if there's really, doesn't seem to be an effective way to reduce suicide rates or depression surgically,

00:16:20.000 then why shouldn't we just tell these people to call themselves whatever name they want and pretend to be whatever sex they want? 1.00

00:16:28.640 Yeah.

00:16:29.300 I mean, it's particularly we shouldn't.

00:16:32.300 And it's because, you know, this is really tied to depression.

00:16:35.820 This is a psychological disorder.

00:16:38.620 So, like mutilating your body.

00:16:40.140 I mean, it's like getting a knee surgery when you popped out your shoulder.

00:16:42.660 It's not addressing the issue at all.

00:16:45.280 We should not be encouraging this, especially, I mean, particularly with children who, as you said, grow out of this confusion.

00:16:51.560 I mean, we're just basically indoctrinating, you know, Tommy, the two-year-old, who says he's a dinosaur on Wednesday and then on Thursday he's a girl.

00:16:59.060 Now he's Tammy, the two-year-old.

00:17:00.160 And you're right.

00:17:02.120 You can actually parent your child.

00:17:04.040 And, you know, I think, I mean, 80% of these kids, that's the lone number grow out, you know, for these studies, grow out of this confusion.

00:17:12.800 We should not be pushing this on them.

00:17:14.960 I mean, kids are being mutilated.

00:17:16.680 They're a lot of victims of this.

00:17:18.920 It's really vile stuff.

00:17:20.340 And anyone who speaks out against it, this is the worst part. 0.96

00:17:22.580 You're labeled as transphobic, that you hate, you know, people who suffer from this mental disorder.

00:17:28.020 No, I mean, there's actual real damage to this.

00:17:31.020 And this is a political movement.

00:17:32.800 You know, they hate the nuclear family.

00:17:34.440 They hate, you know, they kind of are contradicting feminism because they want sameness. 1.00

00:17:38.800 But then all of a sudden, you know, men and women are so different, you can transition.

00:17:42.240 It's just, it's a hot mess.

00:17:44.120 And it's a really nasty political movement that is hurting people and creating a lot of victims.

00:17:49.140 Stunning bigotry from Amanda Prestigiacomo. 0.95

00:17:51.440 But that is a real, you both bring up this interesting point, which is that it's child abuse.

00:17:56.780 It looks like child abuse.

00:17:58.860 It is parents mutilating their children before, not only before they can consent, but before they go through puberty.

00:18:05.180 And they're making a decision that will impact the rest of their lives.

00:18:09.180 Jacob, we conservatives are very skeptical of government interference.

00:18:13.020 Should the government step in here?

00:18:14.460 Should the government come in and stop parents from encouraging this in their children?

00:18:19.200 I think it depends on the situation.

00:18:21.160 And in some cases where the parent is just like, oh, you think you're a girl, go along with it. 0.73

00:18:26.020 But maybe in the circumstances where, as Amanda points out, that they're actually causing physical harm to their kids, then yes.

00:18:34.640 I think that is where the government needs to step in.

00:18:36.900 It's like, hey, is your child actually feeling this way?

00:18:40.340 Or is this just a phase they're going through?

00:18:42.960 I had a friend who was a skater girl.

00:18:45.240 She wore t-shirts and ripped blue jeans and skateboarded all the time. 0.99

00:18:51.620 But she was about as girly girl as you could get.

00:18:53.460 Could you imagine if she had these trans activist parents?

00:18:56.380 She's like, oh, my gosh, you must be a boy.

00:18:58.920 Could you imagine what that would have done to her?

00:19:00.840 But instead, they just let her go.

00:19:02.980 And she grew out of her skateboarding phase.

00:19:05.520 I was basically like a boy growing up.

00:19:07.780 My dad was a wrestling coach, a football coach.

00:19:10.880 I went to all the practices.

00:19:12.280 If I was born five years ago, they would have told me I was a boy.

00:19:18.160 It's insane.

00:19:19.240 I mean, whatever happened to the tomboy, is that not allowed?

00:19:22.140 It's like gender stereotypes are amplified on the left.

00:19:25.280 The people who condemn them, it doesn't make any sense.

00:19:27.920 Yeah, it's mind-blowing.

00:19:29.520 That's true.

00:19:30.320 At one point, gender is nothing, but also gender is everything.

00:19:34.700 At one point, gender is a social construct, but it's also something biologically that

00:19:38.940 we are, and we can tell through our different brains.

00:19:40.800 You have to pick one.

00:19:41.740 I mean, you could go for either one, but just be consistent.

00:19:44.040 That's right.

00:19:44.500 I also have a very hard time believing Amanda was ever a tomboy, but I will take your word

00:19:49.160 for it.

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00:21:14.940 This is my favorite one.

00:21:15.740 Do we have it?

00:21:17.360 My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will

00:21:22.380 outlaw Russia forever. 0.95

00:21:23.860 We begin bombing in five minutes.

00:21:26.980 Almost as good as the Gipper himself.

00:21:30.480 He was kidding.

00:21:31.300 Ronald Reagan was, or was he?

00:21:32.980 He did outlaw Russia forever. 0.65

00:21:34.780 Roaming, was Trump's threat reckless and rash, or was it pitch perfect and very enjoyable?

00:21:40.020 Well, something that I think it's great that you included was the fact that he prefaced

00:21:45.800 that phrase with a, you know, if North Korea continues to make threats against the United

00:21:50.400 States, right?

00:21:50.980 Because I feel like a lot of the reporting about this quote has forgotten to mention that

00:21:55.220 conveniently and sort of tried to paint Trump as the aggressor in this situation.

00:21:58.800 And look, um, I'm not sure I would ever use phrases like, you know, fire and power just

00:22:05.280 from a, I don't know, hyperbolic, this is real life, not over the rings, um, sort of

00:22:09.920 approach.

00:22:10.220 I'm not convinced it is anymore, but sure, go ahead.

00:22:13.520 But I think if there's ever a time to have a strong hand when it comes to international

00:22:18.560 relations, North Korea and the possibility of, you know, nuclear escalation is one of

00:22:23.180 them.

00:22:23.340 And I think that people who are trying to paint this as a necessary instance of aggression

00:22:29.440 from Trump, they're, they're like, like I said, not looking at the entire quote in context.

00:22:33.700 And they're also not realizing just how bad things have gotten over the past eight years.

00:22:38.280 And look, uh, you know, regardless of how you think Trump is handling this at the moment,

00:22:42.380 you can't, you definitely can't say that he is the one who created this situation, right?

00:22:45.960 This, this ongoing, uh, hostility between North Korea and the United States is something

00:22:49.660 that's been happening for a long time since Clinton.

00:22:51.800 Absolutely.

00:22:52.300 Yeah.

00:22:52.440 Bill Clinton ignored it.

00:22:53.620 George W. Bush was otherwise occupied.

00:22:55.640 Barack Obama obviously did nothing about it.

00:22:57.420 I think Ben Rhodes was, he tweeted out something the other day to the effect of, you know, this

00:23:02.440 all started before us, uh, even though we had time to fix it because no one in the Obama

00:23:07.180 administration can take responsibility for any single thing at all.

00:23:10.620 Um, now Roman, you're over there in Asia and Amanda, you are up in Canada, New York,

00:23:16.700 safely ensconced in the woods, but we're in LA.

00:23:19.760 I'm in New York.

00:23:20.640 Yeah.

00:23:21.040 What, what is going to happen?

00:23:22.400 Are we about to be incinerated?

00:23:23.600 What's the threat level from them actually shooting some missiles over?

00:23:28.160 Um, well, I'm in New York, so I can't escape.

00:23:30.140 No, but you're in, you're in Canada, New York.

00:23:32.000 You're up in like, you know, a stone's throw.

00:23:35.360 Okay.

00:23:35.720 I get it.

00:23:36.200 I get it.

00:23:36.600 Um, no, I didn't land.

00:23:38.400 They can't all be winners, folks.

00:23:39.960 You know, sometimes things go over my head, but, um, no, I don't think, I don't think

00:23:45.060 we're any, so a couple of things.

00:23:46.840 Like I don't, I don't think Trump's rhetoric or anything like that is put us at, you know,

00:23:52.420 heightened, um, danger or anything like that. 0.96

00:23:55.080 I think that, uh, Kim, little Kim is, is crazy. 0.97

00:23:59.480 Yes. 0.99

00:23:59.660 But he's not stupid and he knows that he will be, you know, annihilated. 0.93

00:24:03.780 I think, I think people who study this have the consensus that basically he just doesn't 0.94

00:24:08.080 want regime change and he's flexing his muscles.

00:24:10.620 He knows that he will be annihilated if he, if he does something.

00:24:13.540 I think that's kind of the consensus around this.

00:24:16.280 Um, but at the same time, we don't want him to keep making advances.

00:24:19.160 So we need to find a way to, uh, to make this China's problem because, you know, they, they 1.00

00:24:24.380 don't want refugees coming in there. 1.00

00:24:25.700 I mean, they have, they, they do have some stake in this.

00:24:27.500 So I think Trump's saying that he's going to continue with China to, you know, kind of

00:24:33.500 stop their funding and not let them keep advancing their, you know, their nukes. 0.69

00:24:37.360 Um, and then, you know, we can, we can just kind of handle that until then, but I don't

00:24:43.760 think the, the, the danger is heightened.

00:24:46.740 Um, I think that, I think they kind of know that they're, they'll get annihilated by America

00:24:51.420 and her allies.

00:24:52.260 I have to disagree with your analysis, not in the take of the threat level, but in your

00:24:56.420 pronunciation of China.

00:24:57.820 It is a hard ch, China. 0.99

00:25:00.160 Jacob, why hasn't Dennis Rodman straightened this out yet?

00:25:03.000 Well, because he was an overrated basketball player and he's an overrated ambassador, but 0.97

00:25:08.220 in all seriousness, I hate speech, what disgusting hate speech.

00:25:12.040 Why do we have them on?

00:25:13.100 But in all seriousness, I actually, uh, I actually think that president Trump was totally

00:25:18.860 appropriated, uh, appropriate and fire and fury because not moments, I think hours before

00:25:25.580 even Kim Jong-un specifically said we're going to bomb, I believe it was Guam.

00:25:30.360 So yes, of course, I, if I was president, I would absolutely say, Hey, we are going to

00:25:36.640 meet this with fire, fury, and power.

00:25:39.220 And also, you know, what, if president Obama or Hillary Clinton was still, or if Hillary Clinton,

00:25:44.100 God forbid, was president, what would she say?

00:25:46.460 Oh, that naughty little Kim. 1.00

00:25:48.480 I mean, you know, what, what is she going to do?

00:25:50.180 She going to, you know, I hear she's going to pursue a career in, in ministry, obviously,

00:25:54.700 you know, not foreign policy, right?

00:25:58.080 Yes.

00:25:58.580 I think the threat on Guam was after.

00:26:01.100 Oh, it was after.

00:26:01.980 Oh, okay.

00:26:02.760 Yeah.

00:26:03.260 Oh, okay.

00:26:03.640 But there's like a WAPO story that said that they were like, you know, they had a warhead,

00:26:08.360 like a miniature warhead or whatever.

00:26:09.380 And then, um, they're making threats because we sanctioned them.

00:26:12.180 And then Trump made those comments.

00:26:13.540 And then they said they were going to attack Guam and they never, they won't.

00:26:17.220 Oh, of course they won't. 1.00

00:26:18.080 Cause he's a coward. 0.97

00:26:19.300 I mean, he, like, it's, it's just like you said, he's just going to flex his muscles. 0.99

00:26:21.720 Let's be able to get annihilated.

00:26:23.260 Yeah, absolutely.

00:26:24.240 My main takeaway from this whole discussion is the phrase, little Kim.

00:26:27.420 Roman, go ahead.

00:26:29.160 Well, I just, in any case, it's not as if, uh, you know, Kim Jong-un's administration was

00:26:34.360 a rational actor before this, right?

00:26:36.420 I mean, they're actually, uh, you know, North Korean state run propaganda pieces of, I don't

00:26:41.180 know if you guys have seen this, but the piece where the little kid is dreaming of a

00:26:44.660 nuke being sent over to the U S.

00:26:46.360 Right.

00:26:46.720 I mean, this, this is one country that is obviously an aggressor.

00:26:50.840 Absolutely.

00:26:51.620 Well, that makes me unhappy.

00:26:53.440 You know what else might be making people unhappy?

00:26:55.840 Smartphones.

00:26:56.280 The Atlantic just ran a feature article titled, have smartphones destroyed a generation?

00:27:02.260 Quote, more comfortable online than out partying.

00:27:04.840 Post-millennials are safer physically than adolescents have ever been, but they're on the brink of a

00:27:09.580 mental health crisis.

00:27:10.940 They don't go out.

00:27:11.640 They don't go on dates.

00:27:12.460 They stay in the house.

00:27:13.280 My question, why would a 13 year old go on dates when he can interact with roaming millennial 1.00

00:27:19.200 on YouTube from the comfort of his own smartphone is inter roaming is interacting behind a digital

00:27:24.320 wall.

00:27:24.820 So different from interacting in person.

00:27:27.680 Well, you know, this is something that I, I feel conflicted talking about because, you

00:27:32.180 know, on the one hand, I love ragging on millennials as much as anyone, right? 0.99

00:27:35.480 They're awful.

00:27:35.860 But on the other hand, I'm also this massive introvert who loves the fact that you can kind

00:27:40.640 of be interactive with people and be social online while at the same time, you know, being

00:27:45.980 at home, not wearing any pants.

00:27:47.480 It's a, it's an amazing mix.

00:27:49.520 Roaming millennial, not wearing any pants.

00:27:51.260 You heard it on the Michael Knowles show.

00:27:53.200 This is, this is by the way, this is why we're number 10.

00:27:55.340 It's all these kinds of cheap tricks like that.

00:27:57.120 Sorry to interrupt.

00:27:57.700 Go ahead.

00:27:58.380 Well, that's why, that's why cameras always from like, you know, but you know, I think,

00:28:03.440 I think it's the fact that, you know, not only are we seeing an increase in technological

00:28:07.400 advances, but we're also seeing sort of, I feel a more hands-off approach to parenting

00:28:10.840 that we haven't seen before.

00:28:12.160 So I wouldn't necessarily say that this is technology, technology's fault.

00:28:15.880 I just think it's the fact that, you know, when I was younger, I used to get kicked out

00:28:19.420 of the house and get told to play outside.

00:28:21.180 I could have still been playing, you know, well, at home on TV, right?

00:28:24.920 I mean, the fact that outside is still there, I think is like being ignored by a lot of parents

00:28:29.580 who are probably also on their own smartphones and electronic devices.

00:28:33.240 Fair enough.

00:28:33.780 That's true.

00:28:34.360 There's a, there's a lot of candy crush to play.

00:28:36.380 Jacob, is it just curmudgeonly old people who don't understand the youths or is there 1.00

00:28:42.360 a real threat of social isolation here?

00:28:44.560 I think it's a mixture of both.

00:28:45.940 And we have to be very careful about how we categorize this because there are just truly

00:28:50.520 introverted people who, who prefer interaction online and there's absolutely nothing wrong

00:28:56.100 with that.

00:28:56.440 But again, we also need to monitor how that is done because we want, I mean, by we, I mean

00:29:01.920 whoever, parents, siblings, guardians, they need to be monitoring these kids and like,

00:29:06.300 okay, is this person really an introvert or are they getting, are they getting trapped

00:29:10.280 into this big web?

00:29:11.600 Do they only identify as an introvert?

00:29:13.440 Yeah, exactly.

00:29:14.920 Because, you know, there are, there are predators online who take advantage of some of these

00:29:18.920 people who have social anxieties.

00:29:20.740 You seem to know a lot about this, Jacob.

00:29:22.440 Well, you know, what, what can I say?

00:29:24.040 You know, I read, I read the, I read the mainstream media.

00:29:26.680 This is what they're telling me, but you know, we do have to, we do have to be careful that

00:29:30.660 about this because there, I believe that there's a, a game going around called the blue

00:29:35.500 well challenge where they manipulate people with social anxiety who are online and then

00:29:40.320 they ask them to commit suicide.

00:29:42.060 And it's, it's a growing problem in Europe and it's even reached the United States.

00:29:46.080 So yes, parents, guardians should definitely be monitoring their kids' online activity.

00:29:51.360 That's yeah.

00:29:51.680 I'd read about that, about these Russian girls who were killing themselves because of 1.00

00:29:55.520 some lunatic that they just arrested that now that's not good.

00:29:59.000 Amanda, should we be blaming the social media here?

00:30:01.640 Is it the social media that causes the isolation or is that just an instrument like a telephone

00:30:06.020 or, you know, a toucans and a string?

00:30:08.740 Is it just a medium and an instrument or is it really the cause of the problem?

00:30:13.500 I mean, I think with any technology, you're going to have pros and cons.

00:30:17.200 And I mean, it is a lot to do with parenting as Roman and, and Jacob were talking about.

00:30:24.640 I mean, you got to let, I mean, social interaction, face-to-face interaction is valuable.

00:30:29.260 I mean, we have a lot of kids who don't have these skills just on that level.

00:30:32.200 And then also, I mean, if you looked at that Atlantic piece, even just with millennials and

00:30:36.880 the generation, you know, right after us, it's, it's a huge discrepancy and with depression

00:30:42.660 based on just the screen time.

00:30:45.120 I mean, it does really affect these kids.

00:30:48.100 You know, I get depressed.

00:30:49.440 The more screen time I have with Jacob Berry, the more depressed I get.

00:30:52.460 I should write a study about it.

00:30:53.900 Sorry, go ahead.

00:30:54.900 Yeah.

00:30:55.580 But I mean, like even, I mean, even as a, as a millennial, like I'm really addicted to,

00:31:00.800 you know, being on, on, for my job, of course, but I'm always on social media and you can kind

00:31:05.200 of get, not depressed, but you can get, you know, caught up in that and not interact with,

00:31:09.300 with people.

00:31:09.720 And that's, that's not, that's not helpful.

00:31:11.800 So we have to just learn how to use these things in moderation.

00:31:15.480 Parents need to really be aware of this.

00:31:17.080 Sign your kids up for sports, chess, dance, whatever.

00:31:19.860 Like they need to actually interact.

00:31:21.520 It's just, it's not, it's not healthy and it doesn't teach them any skills that are actually

00:31:25.220 valuable for future employment and, and things like that.

00:31:28.100 So yeah, sign them up for a sport or buy them a sex robot. 1.00

00:31:31.180 There is, this brings us to our next story.

00:31:34.180 There is a professor at GW Law who insists that the time has come for the government to

00:31:39.700 regulate that gigantic problem, sex robots. 1.00

00:31:43.140 Now, if you're unfamiliar, I think a lot of people are probably unfamiliar with sex robots.

00:31:46.800 We have a clip from one of the factories.

00:31:51.060 You can't resist us, Mr. Powers.

00:31:53.220 You can't resist us, Mr. Powers.

00:31:56.180 Au contraire, baby.

00:31:57.920 I think you can't resist me.

00:32:00.900 Are you ready, Boots?

00:32:03.220 Start walking.

00:32:04.100 Wow, maybe those should be regulated. 0.79

00:32:11.260 That's a pretty good case that we should regulate them.

00:32:13.560 Amanda, what is so dangerous about sex robots other than the guns that are shooting out of

00:32:19.160 their bosom? 0.98

00:32:21.300 Yeah, I mean, it's really sad that we're at this point.

00:32:23.640 Like, this kind of ties into technology, too, and how we're so isolated and that we're

00:32:28.280 going to, you know, people are delaying marriage.

00:32:31.080 They're not getting married. 0.66

00:32:32.060 So we need sex robots now. 1.00

00:32:34.000 It's really sad.

00:32:34.920 But the whole regulation argument was really interesting to me. 0.97

00:32:38.200 She said that we could, you could possibly rape a robot. 0.99

00:32:42.700 And like... 0.99

00:32:43.380 Yeah, it's great.

00:32:44.000 A lot of fun.

00:32:44.640 It's a great hobby.

00:32:46.020 Just because they're not saying no doesn't mean they're saying yes.

00:32:49.220 That's right, yeah.

00:32:51.560 It's like, how can a robot consent?

00:32:54.600 Like, if that's the case, like, I'm not going to, you know, be profane here, but isn't there 0.84

00:32:59.760 a lot of rape going on in the sex toy industry? 1.00

00:33:02.040 Like, I don't understand.

00:33:03.640 Well, you know, a four-year-old kid can consent to radically changing his body forever, but

00:33:09.380 a doll can't consent to sex. 1.00

00:33:11.140 Can't you just read a blog every once in a while, Amanda?

00:33:13.840 Get woke.

00:33:14.720 This professor was trying to give rights to a robot.

00:33:18.160 I'm like, can we focus on maybe rights of the unborn first and then tackle robots?

00:33:22.840 I don't know. 0.84

00:33:23.440 Hateful bigot. 1.00

00:33:24.160 Hateful bigot you are. 1.00

00:33:25.640 Rumming, there is a legitimate question here. 1.00

00:33:28.600 I mean, you could have, I don't know if you could rape a robot, but you could make a sex 1.00

00:33:32.360 doll that looks like a little kid or like a rape victim or something. 0.99

00:33:36.200 Is there any legitimate reason to regulate this industry? 0.96

00:33:39.720 Similar to, say, child pornography or something like that?

00:33:42.340 Or are we just talking about absolutely nothing?

00:33:44.980 Well, I think there, like, when you mentioned anything to do with children, I think there

00:33:50.140 definitely is a reason for this to be regulated.

00:33:53.640 I know I've heard the argument be made that, like, child dolls might be helpful as a way

00:33:58.760 of sort of releasing any urges without actually bringing a real child into it.

00:34:04.040 But I think, you know, if you are someone who's suffering from that affliction, therapy 0.93

00:34:07.740 is what you need, not a child's sex doll. 0.96

00:34:09.740 So definitely, yeah, when it comes to... 0.95

00:34:12.160 I don't know which is more expensive, though.

00:34:15.520 Right.

00:34:16.040 That's sadly true.

00:34:17.900 Public health and public cost issue.

00:34:19.800 Regulate it.

00:34:20.740 Yeah.

00:34:21.380 Good point.

00:34:21.720 But, you know, on a larger scale, I think the whole idea of regulating sex robots, it

00:34:28.520 kind of begs the question, like, what exactly qualifies as a sex robot versus just, you know,

00:34:34.360 a run-of-the-mill sex toy that has mechanical operations?

00:34:38.060 I can't believe I'm talking about this.

00:34:39.680 We're a run-of-the-mill robot, by the way.

00:34:42.500 We already have little Roomba vacuum cleaners, you know.

00:34:44.800 Yeah, I mean, Roomba with, like, some, I don't know, alluring eyes painted on, right?

00:34:50.740 Like, where would they draw the line?

00:34:52.300 Be still my beating heart.

00:34:54.480 I'm not pro-sex robot.

00:34:56.220 I'm just, you know, anti-government intervention.

00:34:58.540 I'd have to side with that in this case.

00:35:00.360 Fair enough. 0.92

00:35:01.280 Jacob, the essential question here, though, is why would anyone want to have sex with

00:35:06.160 a robot when there are people? 0.97

00:35:08.240 You can also have...

00:35:09.240 It's not just robots. 1.00

00:35:10.140 You can also have sex with people. 0.91

00:35:11.600 What is the basis for this?

00:35:13.400 Why are people trending toward this?

00:35:15.140 I think it's a way of just disconnecting from reality.

00:35:19.280 So everyone goes in, because of left-wing propaganda, you're told, oh, you can have this, you can

00:35:24.420 have that, and there won't be any consequences.

00:35:27.080 And then they go out into the real world, and it's like, oh, man, there are real consequences.

00:35:30.840 So then they turn to robots, which are complete frauds.

00:35:34.980 And so I think that's what it has to do with it.

00:35:37.300 It's just a way to escape from real-world consequences when you make a mistake or when you find out

00:35:44.020 that life is tougher than your lesbian dance therapy professor tells you it is.

00:35:49.440 That's interesting. 0.96

00:35:50.640 And there's also no social skills.

00:35:52.840 Nobody has any social skills.

00:35:54.040 They can't even go on a date.

00:35:55.180 They can't even hit on a girl. 1.00

00:35:56.620 So it makes sense that robots are the next thing, because this has to do with all the

00:36:01.700 new technology, too.

00:36:02.560 People are so isolated and secluded.

00:36:04.820 It's sad stuff.

00:36:05.900 I think that's a good point, and it's interesting how so many of these sex robot things are

00:36:11.180 coming out of Japan, a culture that is well-documented for the fact that fewer and fewer people are

00:36:17.040 getting married, going on dates.

00:36:18.820 So I definitely think there's an element, you know, I mean, no judgment here, but there

00:36:21.600 is an element of people not being able to interact with each other like we used to be

00:36:24.960 able to do.

00:36:25.480 And there was a study that came out of Japan a little while ago that a number of teenage 0.97

00:36:29.400 boys would prefer to look at pornography than to have sex with a woman. 0.99

00:36:33.600 They actually preferred sitting in their rooms alone. 1.00

00:36:36.220 That's crazy.

00:36:36.800 Oh, my gosh.

00:36:37.620 It does play into this culture.

00:36:40.060 To quote a great man, sad.

00:36:41.260 It does play into this culture of objectification, though.

00:36:44.540 It does play into this materialist culture where, believe it or not, there are spiritual

00:36:49.800 and emotional aspects to sex.

00:36:52.740 It's not just all playing with a doll or something.

00:36:55.760 But for a materialist culture and a materialist generation, maybe the physical is all that is

00:37:01.040 being considered.

00:37:01.820 Well, and two, the irony here is one of the biggest criticisms of homeschooling is the

00:37:07.100 children don't get interaction, right?

00:37:09.100 Well, in public schools, they get plenty of interaction and they're buying sex robots. 0.91

00:37:13.160 So, you know, I don't, you know, I think that's just kind of a ridiculous narrative, 0.90

00:37:17.120 you know.

00:37:17.940 How about that?

00:37:18.680 All right.

00:37:19.020 On action and sex robots, I have to say goodbye to you.

00:37:21.460 Get out of here because we have a trans final thought that we need to talk about. 1.00

00:37:25.920 Now, do we have the trans final thought montage?

00:37:30.320 This is a final thought, but it's because it's Book Lover's Day and we're going to turn it

00:37:37.860 into a sort of stuff I like.

00:37:39.140 I'll tell you about the books that I've been reading over the last couple of years and I

00:37:43.740 highly recommend them.

00:37:44.740 The first one is Poetic Diction by Owen Barfield.

00:37:47.760 He was an inkling, a friend of CS Lewis and all of those other guys.

00:37:52.980 He, it's a great book.

00:37:54.220 It's a theory of knowledge and a theory of language.

00:37:57.160 This was recommended to me by Andrew Klavan, who actually reads books.

00:38:00.960 I read like two books a decade and he's read all of the books.

00:38:04.280 So we've been evangelical about recommending this book to people.

00:38:08.600 It's really good.

00:38:09.420 I think especially conservatives and people who prefer traditional culture and have an

00:38:14.840 interest in history and philosophy would really like it.

00:38:17.160 So run out there and get Poetic Diction.

00:38:19.620 The next book I have to recommend is, of course, speaking of Andrew Klavan, The Great Good

00:38:23.540 Thing, A Secular Jew Comes to Faith in Christ. 1.00

00:38:26.260 I read this book right when it came out.

00:38:28.260 I got an advanced copy of it.

00:38:29.720 It's an amazing story of Andrew Klavan's conversion from a secular intellectual Jew in New York to

00:38:37.880 a Christian.

00:38:38.940 And he talks about his politics as well and the literature that brought him along that journey.

00:38:43.240 It's really a profound book.

00:38:44.560 I myself am a revert to Christianity.

00:38:47.080 I was very edifying to read that.

00:38:50.180 And then when you're going to the beach, this book, we got to give a little love to Ben Shapiro.

00:38:54.820 You all know that Ben can type about 120 words per minute.

00:38:59.400 He also, as you know, speaks about 190 words per minute.

00:39:02.540 And this book flies by.

00:39:04.320 It is such a page turner, true allegiance.

00:39:06.860 It is a fever dream of Armageddon from a conservative standpoint.

00:39:11.040 It's really entertaining.

00:39:12.120 It's terrific.

00:39:12.560 So when you're going to the beach, I recommend reading that.

00:39:15.480 I promise you, you won't be able to read it as fast as Ben typed it.

00:39:18.620 And speaking of typing books really fast, the final recommendation I have to make, a little self-serving,

00:39:23.980 the Reasons to Vote for Democrats, a comprehensive guide.

00:39:27.300 The most exhaustive Democratic Party apology.

00:39:30.200 Sell out.

00:39:30.400 I, it is, it's really good.

00:39:32.300 I can't, even the president endorsed it.

00:39:34.500 He said, it's a great book for your reading enjoyment.

00:39:36.620 Even Ben Shapiro endorsed it.

00:39:38.000 He called it thorough.

00:39:38.960 I really think as you gear up for the school year, as you gear up for the fall, you want to edify yourself.

00:39:46.000 You want to learn more about our political systems and American history and American political philosophy.

00:39:51.240 Go out there.

00:39:51.860 You also have to get reasons to vote for Democrats.

00:39:53.940 Happy Book Lovers Day.

00:39:55.460 I'm glad that we had this lovely trans final thought segment.

00:39:58.840 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:39:59.700 This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:40:00.840 Come back tomorrow.

00:40:01.500 We'll do it again.

00:40:01.900 We'll do it again.

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