The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 73 - Keaton Jones： Why We Can’t Have Nice Things

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00:00:37.640 Did you see that viral video yesterday of the little boy crying about being bullied

00:00:42.060 and the heartwarming outpouring of support for him on social media?

00:00:46.620 Yeah, you saw that. It was so nice.

00:00:48.260 Well, it's ruined.

00:00:49.220 We will analyze why our culture of insta-fame and slacktivism means that we just can't have nice things.

00:00:54.940 Then, Ariel Davidson and Amber Athey joined the panel of deplorables

00:00:58.760 to talk Jimmy Kimmel's slanderous exploitation of his own son.

00:01:02.640 A lot of children being exploited today.

00:01:04.520 Sarah Huckabee Sanders smacking around fake news. 0.99

00:01:07.160 And Senator Elizabeth Warren, Laya Wath, is calling her Senate colleague, Kirsten Gillibrand, a slut. 1.00

00:01:12.740 I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show. 0.97

00:01:14.640 That was fast. That was a real fast news cycle yesterday.

00:01:24.900 You saw this little kid, Keaton Jones.

00:01:27.260 This video goes viral.

00:01:28.940 But the insta-culture has now taken what used to be 15 minutes of fame.

00:01:33.640 It is now 15 seconds of fame before we love somebody,

00:01:37.340 and then we just have to destroy that person and move on to the next whatever it is.

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00:04:24.000 For those of you who didn't see it, this is Keaton Jones and the viral video that we all saw yesterday.

00:04:29.680 Why do they bully?

00:04:30.880 Why do they find joy in taking innocent people and finding a way to be mean to them?

00:04:38.380 It's not okay.

00:04:39.360 Now, this is, on the one hand, it's heartbreaking to watch this little kid crying about being bullied.

00:04:44.240 Obviously, there's something, I think, in all of us that just hates bullies.

00:04:49.140 Bullies are just the worst. 0.97

00:04:51.740 We know, we feel righteous anger toward them.

00:04:54.760 Sometimes people don't understand when they're being the ones being bullied.

00:04:57.780 So all these people on the left are saying, yeah, stand up to bullies.

00:05:00.920 And by the way, if you don't want to do exactly what I say, I'm going to shut down your business,

00:05:04.140 or I'm going to shut down your cake shop, or I'm going to shut down your florist shop. 1.00

00:05:08.420 But it's heartbreaking.

00:05:09.860 It's heartwarming.

00:05:10.560 It's not exactly man bites dog.

00:05:13.400 You know, kids get bullied all the time.

00:05:15.260 That's a fact of elementary school and middle school.

00:05:18.480 It isn't going to change, I don't think.

00:05:20.700 But okay, that's fine.

00:05:21.880 It's very nice.

00:05:23.700 As a result of this video going viral, every single celebrity on earth, I believe, responded to offer support.

00:05:30.760 So Snoop Diggity Doodap tweeted, say, little man, you got a friend in me for life.

00:05:34.800 Hit me on DM so we can chop it up.

00:05:37.480 Love is the only way to beat hate.

00:05:39.100 Very nice.

00:05:40.000 The UFC says, hey, Keaton Jones, you have friends here at the UFC, buddy.

00:05:44.460 Today and always stand with Keaton.

00:05:49.540 Then Donald J. Trump Jr. said, this boy is incredibly brave, and the video really got me.

00:05:54.760 Dana White, if he takes you up on your offer to see UFC headquarters,

00:05:57.860 I would be honored to host him and his family at our place if they need somewhere to stay.

00:06:02.920 Chris Evans, stay strong, Keaton.

00:06:04.460 Don't let them make you turn cold.

00:06:06.340 I promise it gets better.

00:06:08.500 While those punks at your school are deciding what kind of people they want to be,

00:06:12.280 how would you and your mom like to come to the Avengers premiere in L.A. next year?

00:06:16.000 That's pretty nice.

00:06:16.800 That sounds pretty good.

00:06:17.860 Katy Perry says, this broke my heart today.

00:06:20.000 Please be kind to one another.

00:06:21.600 Mark Ruffalo, little buddy, I was bullied as a kid.

00:06:24.360 You're right, it gets better.

00:06:25.560 You are my personal superhero.

00:06:28.080 You got a pal in the Hulk.

00:06:29.620 Monica Lewinsky said, Keaton. 1.00

00:06:31.220 I'm so sorry you're being treated this way.

00:06:33.380 You don't deserve an ounce of pain.

00:06:34.600 They'd be lucky to be friends with you.

00:06:36.380 It gets better.

00:06:37.180 I'm not going to make any jokes about that.

00:06:38.960 Obviously, there are many.

00:06:40.140 Ryan Seacrest said, Keaton Jones, your curiosity and kindness will overcome this moment

00:06:44.100 and bring you many better days to come.

00:06:46.500 Enrique Iglesias, heartbreaking to see this.

00:06:49.520 Keaton, you're strong to say these things and care so much for others.

00:06:53.220 Team Keaton.

00:06:54.320 I can't go on.

00:06:55.440 I mean, obviously, that was a lot.

00:06:57.100 There were like hundreds more.

00:06:58.640 There are so many of these.

00:07:00.000 So it was a little strange.

00:07:02.420 It was a little strange that every single person with a blue checkmark started tweeting.

00:07:08.080 I sent out a little tweet about being bullied.

00:07:10.020 I think everybody feels some empathy for this because everyone gets bullied and most people

00:07:16.340 bully too.

00:07:17.080 And that's just a fact of being in elementary school and middle school.

00:07:21.840 We have seen this viral culture before.

00:07:24.600 It looks like it's accelerating, though.

00:07:27.160 Someone started a GoFundMe campaign.

00:07:29.580 That's where you crowdfund, you raise money online.

00:07:32.880 They started a GoFundMe for this kid.

00:07:35.040 It raised $55,000.

00:07:36.100 For what?

00:07:38.080 What are they raising the money for?

00:07:39.500 I don't know.

00:07:39.920 What is a kid going to spend $55,000 on?

00:07:42.400 He's like nine years old or something.

00:07:44.660 But they fund it because we just feel bad for the kid.

00:07:47.060 What can I do?

00:07:47.640 I can give him money.

00:07:48.520 I can click.

00:07:49.400 I can hashtag.

00:07:50.220 That's all that we can do.

00:07:51.720 I don't even know if the kid's going to get money.

00:07:53.180 I don't think the guy is connected to his family.

00:07:55.860 So anyway, it's a little weird, but it's clearly self-indulgent.

00:07:59.840 Whatever.

00:08:00.380 It's nice.

00:08:01.640 Who cares?

00:08:03.100 But of course, we had to destroy it. 0.99

00:08:05.200 We had to destroy this poor kid.

00:08:07.720 So they found a photo.

00:08:08.880 All of these internet people found a photo of Keaton's mother standing next to a Confederate flag.

00:08:14.180 One or two photos of this.

00:08:15.640 He's a kid from Tennessee.

00:08:17.240 There were Confederate flags around.

00:08:19.060 So the left pounced.

00:08:21.240 Tariq Nasheed.

00:08:21.980 I actually couldn't see this tweet because he blocked me.

00:08:24.680 One time I tweeted his own words at him and he blocked me for it.

00:08:27.480 But I did see this in news coverage.

00:08:29.640 Tariq Nasheed, who I'm not convinced isn't just a right-wing troll, by the way.

00:08:33.840 But anyway, prominent lefty Tariq Nasheed says,

00:08:36.300 that viral video of Keaton Jones talking about being bullied is heartbreaking.

00:08:39.780 And I feel sympathetic toward that child. 0.89

00:08:41.820 But his mom, Kimberly, on the other hand, is a suspected racist who makes very problematic posts bullying black protesters. 1.00

00:08:50.600 She didn't make problematic posts. 0.96

00:08:52.100 She was standing next to a Confederate flag.

00:08:54.060 People interpret that however they like.

00:08:56.440 But she wasn't bullying people.

00:08:58.680 I don't know what it means to be a suspected racist.

00:09:02.180 You're under investigation.

00:09:04.020 Bob Mueller has been appointed to see if you're really a racist.

00:09:07.780 It doesn't mean a whole lot.

00:09:09.860 But anyway, more lefties pounced on this. 0.99

00:09:12.760 It is the brutal consequence of social media culture and slacktivism.

00:09:17.280 We just need more clicks.

00:09:19.560 So, you know, when you post something on Facebook or Twitter, you do get a dopamine rush.

00:09:25.920 You think, oh, will people like this?

00:09:27.140 Oh, I got a light.

00:09:27.840 Great.

00:09:28.160 Oh, I'll get another one.

00:09:28.880 I'll get another retweet.

00:09:30.040 And those highs and those lows have to go more quickly and more quickly.

00:09:35.740 And they have to be more extreme and more extreme.

00:09:37.660 So what used to be a very long news cycle has now become a 24-hour news cycle has now become an 8-hour news cycle.

00:09:44.180 And it all switches over.

00:09:46.360 It cuts both ways, too.

00:09:47.500 The mother exploited her child and put him on the Internet and made him go viral.

00:09:52.300 And people are now exploiting this child further because we have to talk about it.

00:09:56.760 It's a cultural event.

00:09:58.040 It's a sympathetic story.

00:09:59.600 But then we need a villain.

00:10:00.720 We need somebody to tear down.

00:10:02.580 The story was too nice without it.

00:10:04.280 They did this to Ken Bone.

00:10:05.660 I don't know if you remember Ken Bone.

00:10:07.520 Back during the 2016 presidential debates, there was a nice-looking man in a red sweater with a mustache, and he became an insta-celebrity.

00:10:15.340 Here's Ken Bone.

00:10:16.960 What steps will your energy policy take to meet our energy needs while at the same time remaining environmentally friendly and minimizing job loss for fossil power plant workers? 0.94

00:10:28.180 So he became a meme because he just looks sort of silly. 0.76

00:10:31.280 He looks like a cartoon character. 0.90

00:10:32.960 So they really liked him.

00:10:34.100 He's so respectful during the debate.

00:10:36.020 He asked a serious question.

00:10:37.120 He looked hopeful.

00:10:38.440 And so anyway, he became insta-famous after he appeared on television with the candidates.

00:10:43.700 But it was too nice.

00:10:44.760 We can't have that.

00:10:46.360 That cycle gets old after a day or two.

00:10:48.740 So now we have to make him into a villain.

00:10:50.660 Someone on Reddit found out that he had committed two egregious crimes.

00:10:55.000 One, he had looked at the widely published naked photos of Jennifer Lawrence.

00:11:01.220 And I think that makes him the only man in America to ever look at the completely ubiquitous nude photos of one of the most beautiful and famous celebrities in the world.

00:11:11.600 It's really off.

00:11:12.300 It's unbelievable that they would let that man back out in public.

00:11:14.880 So he did that.

00:11:15.580 And also he posted something on Reddit and said that perhaps it wasn't murder for George Zimmerman to kill Trayvon Martin.

00:11:23.800 Perhaps it was in self-defense.

00:11:25.460 Some of the evidence showed that.

00:11:26.700 Perfectly reasonable.

00:11:27.960 And so he became a villain.

00:11:29.120 And his reputation was destroyed just as quickly as his fame came about.

00:11:34.000 Former Facebook executives have been admitting just this effect.

00:11:37.760 This came out today.

00:11:38.520 Former Facebook vice president for user growth, Chamath Palihapitiya, I'm sure I butchered that, said he feels, quote,

00:11:45.540 tremendous guilt for creating tools that are ripping apart the social fabric of how society works.

00:11:51.180 He went on, quote,

00:11:52.020 The short-term dopamine-driven feedback loops that we have created are destroying how society works, no civil discourse, no cooperation, misinformation, mistruth.

00:12:01.740 This is not about Russian ads.

00:12:04.120 This is a global problem.

00:12:05.440 It is eroding the core foundations of how people behave by and between each other.

00:12:10.500 Facebook's founding president, Sean Parker, criticized the company the same way.

00:12:14.040 He said it, quote,

00:12:14.880 Exploits a vulnerability in human psychology by creating a social validation feedback loop.

00:12:20.580 To discuss that and much more, we will have to bring on our panel of deplorables.

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00:13:19.560 Okay, now to our panel. We have from The Federalist, Ariel Davidson, and we have from The Daily Caller, Amber Athey, an all-female panel of deplorables. 0.99

00:13:27.320 Thank you, Lord.

00:13:29.060 Ariel, social media allows conservatives to crack the mainstream media monopoly on information and get their views out there.

00:13:36.380 Isn't that a good thing?

00:13:38.680 I would think so, yes.

00:13:40.040 But I think what happens is social media tends to turn people into keyboard warriors, and so I think that there is a sense of boldness that can sometimes be helpful, but more often than not can be extremely inflammatory.

00:13:54.080 So I think there is a give and take when it comes to social media.

00:13:56.900 It's definitely been a way for people to exit their bubble, but it's also been a way for people to reinforce their bubble.

00:14:03.180 Now that you can share your block lists on Twitter, or you can also just on Facebook choose to friend someone or choose to unfriend them based on the material they post, I think it does sort of reinforce our perception of a worldview, which is why when Donald Trump was elected, there was sort of a collective meltdown on the left.

00:14:20.160 And I think a lot of that was because social media had created this false sense of where political opinions lie in the world, and that can be somewhat dangerous.

00:14:31.860 So I think in some ways social media can do more harm than good, especially when it's used to sort of bolster, again, these keyboard warriors and people that take to Facebook and Twitter to get their political anger out instead of having a face-to-face conversation.

00:14:47.900 There is that aspect. The unfriending phenomenon is really strange to me.

00:14:52.700 There have been a number of studies that show that people on the left are much more likely to unfriend or disconnect from you on social media if you're a conservative than vice versa, and conservatives doing it to lefties.

00:15:04.240 And I think the reason for that is because lefties have never heard anybody contradict their opinions.

00:15:09.940 They preach tolerance and diversity, and they're shocked to find out that anybody disagrees with them.

00:15:13.800 But for the other aspect of that is that we're more than our political opinions.

00:15:22.820 People are more than our political opinions. 0.99

00:15:24.720 So if you sit and have dinner with somebody and you find out they voted for crooked Hillary, that dirty, rotten felon, and my third cousin, 1.00

00:15:30.600 if I saw that on Facebook, I might just ignore that person or look away or unfriend them or something. 0.98

00:15:36.080 But in person, you have to talk to them, and it might be interesting.

00:15:39.400 Different perspectives make the world much more beautiful.

00:15:41.620 They make the world more interesting, and they help you think about what you really believe.

00:15:46.160 A lot of that kind of disappears on social media.

00:15:48.600 That said, CNN would not give me a show.

00:15:50.860 CNN is never going to give me a show.

00:15:52.980 And if these new media didn't exist, we wouldn't have a platform.

00:15:56.480 Now, Amber, if social media have made our culture faster, more knee-jerk, more hysterical, is there any way back from here?

00:16:03.780 Or are we just headed for even tighter news cycles?

00:16:07.380 Oh, gosh, that's a really hard question.

00:16:10.180 I don't see it really getting that much better.

00:16:12.840 I hate to be a pessimist, but the more that I've been on social media, it seems like the more angry people get, the more political they get.

00:16:21.180 I remember being on Facebook back in high school, and it was just about sharing prom pictures and posting cat gifs.

00:16:29.700 And now it's like everybody is sharing a political opinion.

00:16:32.220 It's all about getting those imaginary points from your friends or your followers.

00:16:38.260 Everybody on Twitter is seeing who is the next person that I can drag.

00:16:42.320 And then within 24 hours, they're on to the next evil villain, like we saw in the Keaton case.

00:16:47.600 So it's definitely really dangerous that I think it's great that more people have a platform to express themselves in ways that they couldn't before.

00:16:56.780 But as Ariel was saying, at the same time, it can really bolster sort of a almost bullying where people are constantly able to attack anybody that they want at any time.

00:17:09.120 And it really piles on when there's so many other people who are there to join in on the crusade.

00:17:14.480 And it's obviously been formulated.

00:17:18.140 It's been meticulously arranged, these technology, so that you will keep going back and you'll keep clicking and you'll keep tweeting and you'll keep piling on whoever.

00:17:27.680 That aspect on psychology is probably not very healthy, but the effect on politics seems to be quite healthy.

00:17:34.700 Could you imagine a world in which we had an administration like President Trump's, excellent conservative policy, legislation, nominations, cultural battles from the NFL to political correctness to the news media?

00:17:50.080 Could you ever imagine that without Twitter?

00:17:52.380 Donald Trump's appeal, his great strength is with Twitter.

00:17:57.240 It may be the case that it has bad psychological effects, but politically, I'm not sick and tired of winning yet.

00:18:04.800 I'm not.

00:18:05.440 Try to convince me that I am.

00:18:06.560 Won't happen.

00:18:07.020 Okay, we have more shameless exploitation of children to get to with Jimmy Kimmel. 0.98

00:18:11.420 We've got to talk about the slut-shaming shaming. 0.99

00:18:14.380 The slut-slut-shaming, I don't know, one of those, between Laya Watha and Kirsten Gillibrand. 0.96

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00:19:05.060 We'll be right back.

00:19:15.680 Speaking of the shameless exploitation of children, here is Jimmy Kimmel parading his sick son around to make an inaccurate political point.

00:19:24.460 They each gave a full day of their very busy lives to give me time off.

00:19:29.440 And I'm grateful to them for doing that.

00:19:32.320 And, um...

00:19:34.840 Daddy cries on TV, but Billy doesn't.

00:19:38.820 It's unbelievable.

00:19:40.320 I don't know what could be more disgusting than putting a tax cut that mostly goes to rich people ahead of the lives of children.

00:19:47.780 Why hasn't Chip been funded already?

00:19:49.320 If these were potato chips they were taking away from us, we would be marching on Washington with pitchforks and spears right now.

00:19:56.380 When was the last time that Jimmy Kimmel didn't cry during a comedy monologue?

00:20:00.680 Do we remember?

00:20:01.420 Was that like 2008 or something?

00:20:04.420 Every day now, it seems, he's constantly shoving his politics down our throat.

00:20:09.080 Amber, whatever happened to Johnny Carson or Jay Leno?

00:20:12.520 Are entertainers forcing their politics down our throats because they're hacks?

00:20:17.120 Or is it because we now demand politics in our entertainment?

00:20:21.520 I think it's a bit of both, actually.

00:20:23.800 I think in many ways Donald Trump has sort of brought the politics out of people who would normally be nonpolitical.

00:20:30.680 Because, as a lot of these people say, Donald Trump is just the worst thing to happen to America ever.

00:20:35.960 So we all have to share our political views now because we're in this unprecedented state of politics. 0.94

00:20:40.840 At the same time, though, we do have to remember that we probably wouldn't be talking about Jimmy Kimmel's show if he weren't parading his son around on stage in this disgusting manner.

00:20:50.540 So it has been helping their views to some extent.

00:20:53.680 He's gotten a disgusting amount of YouTube views on all these clips of him crying about health care.

00:20:58.900 And it's kind of easy Hollywood friendship and political points for them to be constantly attacking Republicans and Donald Trump.

00:21:07.220 You're absolutely right.

00:21:08.580 We would not talk about Jimmy Kimmel.

00:21:09.980 He hasn't been funny in a while.

00:21:11.960 He used to be sort of funny.

00:21:13.520 And now he's become this political hack.

00:21:15.380 So he's got to up the ante, turn it up to 11, and literally parade his sick son all over television so that we will talk about him.

00:21:23.180 Ariel, the premise of his tirade is wrong.

00:21:27.040 CHIP is funded.

00:21:28.100 It will continue to be funded.

00:21:29.680 Republicans voted to fund it last week.

00:21:32.720 The Children's Health Insurance Program will be funded.

00:21:34.840 Does it matter that the premise is complete nonsense?

00:21:38.300 Does it matter to his audience?

00:21:39.980 Or to the political discourse?

00:21:42.440 Well, it's interesting because Democrats actually were the ones that voted against renewing the funding, if I remember correctly, because they were upset about where Republicans wanted to get the funding from.

00:21:51.700 So in my mind, it's not even just incorrect.

00:21:55.480 It's actually humanizing the wrong party.

00:21:58.020 So if you want to throw daggers, you're throwing daggers at the Democrats in this situation.

00:22:02.900 But regardless, I think that the issue I have is sort of this form of grandstanding that's been taking place.

00:22:09.060 And you kind of—we've talked about this in prior podcasts, but there's sort of a sense of notoriety and fame that's now become associated with attacking Trump and the GOP.

00:22:20.620 Whether—I don't know how long that gravy train is going to last, but that seems to be sort of the prerogative of a lot of entertainers who see their ratings falling.

00:22:30.380 And that can also apply to both entertainers and politicians, at least as we've seen.

00:22:34.120 And I think I tend to fall in the camp that a lot of Jeff Blakes sort of trying to reinvigorate his popularity is through condemning Trump.

00:22:44.160 But anyway, we can talk about that another time.

00:22:46.700 But I do think that this is, like Amber said, it's highly inappropriate, but does go to show that people appreciate or maybe they don't appreciate everything's become politicized now.

00:22:57.200 I would say it's not even—I think it's the politics hysteria, and I think that there are a lot of people who feel like they know everything they need to know by just watching Jimmy Kimmel or John Oliver and seeing, you know, 140-character tweet.

00:23:11.460 You know, understanding the process of CHIP and how it gets—how funding gets approved, it takes a little bit more—it takes a little bit more effort.

00:23:20.940 And I just don't see that taking place in sort of our soundbite-driven social media.

00:23:24.920 And it doesn't fit into 140 characters.

00:23:27.180 It doesn't fit into 280 characters.

00:23:29.820 CHIP is a—it's a federal program.

00:23:32.260 Federal programs require funding from certain places, and the way that that legislation is made is like the way that sausage is made.

00:23:40.600 But how many of these people who are harping on it, how many people like Jimmy Kimmel could explain to you what CHIP is, how it was—how it became a federal program, where the funding comes from, how the funding is spent, and how much money is wasted?

00:23:53.260 It seems to me very few of them.

00:23:57.400 Right.

00:23:57.840 Well, I think there's an element—like I said, I think hysteria is what drives a lot of the political dialogue, and especially coming from the Democrats, it's a politics of fear.

00:24:05.580 You know, how many times did we hear with the tax bill that millions were going to die?

00:24:11.160 How many did we hear when, you know, Republicans were advocating for repealing the individual mandate from Obamacare?

00:24:16.400 How many times did we hear the Democrats say millions are going to die?

00:24:19.720 I mean, this is their classic response to nearly every policy decision.

00:24:23.840 What makes Jimmy Kimmel's situation different is that he's advocating for—or he's presenting a position that didn't exist on the GOP side.

00:24:32.720 So he's still saying that GOP decisions—basically, no matter what the GOP does, millions are going to die.

00:24:37.300 That's pretty much become the narrative of the left. 0.88

00:24:40.400 No, that's because Trump is literally Hitler.

00:24:42.420 That makes sense.

00:24:43.040 There's a perfect parallelism.

00:24:45.520 Makes sense to me.

00:24:46.520 We have to move on to my favorite story of the day.

00:24:49.740 I woke up to this story.

00:24:51.360 I just popped right out of bed.

00:24:52.700 I was so happy to see it. 0.98

00:24:53.940 Senator Elizabeth Warren, Chief Liawatha, responded to a Trump tweet by calling her Democrat Senate colleague Kirsten Gillibrand a slut. 0.95

00:25:04.040 So Donald Trump first tweeted, quote,

00:25:05.900 Lightweight Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, a total flunky for Chuck Schumer and someone who would come to my office begging for campaign contributions not so long ago and would do anything for them, is now in the ring fighting against Trump. 1.00

00:25:20.380 Very disloyal to Bill and Crooked.

00:25:22.960 Used.

00:25:24.180 I didn't say Crooked Hillary anymore.

00:25:25.620 Just Crooked.

00:25:26.380 Bill and Crooked. 1.00

00:25:27.120 And so Senator Warren decided to respond by calling her colleague a slut. 1.00

00:25:33.800 So she responded, quote, 0.99

00:25:35.500 Are you really trying to bully, intimidate, and slut shame, Senator Gillibrand? 0.97

00:25:41.180 Do you know who you're picking a fight with? 0.99

00:25:42.920 Good luck with that, Donald Trump.

00:25:44.780 Nevertheless, she persisted.

00:25:48.500 Some new wrong things in one tree.

00:25:50.460 I can't, it's, that response is unbelievable. 0.96

00:25:54.920 But Ariel first, is it fair to say, the premise of Senator Liawatha Focahontas' tweet is that Donald Trump called Kirsten Gillibrand a slut. 0.96

00:26:08.220 Did he do that? 0.93

00:26:10.140 He didn't.

00:26:11.060 He just suggested that she's willing to do anything to get campaign donations.

00:26:14.720 Now, if you interpret that as a sexual innuendo, that's on you.

00:26:18.420 I think Donald Trump has gone after many different people for, along the same lines of saying that they're eager and they're begging for donations.

00:26:27.980 So that's not unusual for Donald Trump.

00:26:30.360 I think that, again, this sort of appeals to the mass hysteria. 0.98

00:26:33.700 What's more disturbing to me is that, you know, Elizabeth Warren is suggesting her colleague is a slut and that Trump is shaming her for it. 0.99

00:26:41.440 How dare he? 1.00

00:26:41.960 How dare anyone shame you for being a slut? 1.00

00:26:44.600 I don't think Elizabeth Warren knows what slut shaming means. 1.00

00:26:47.580 I would be—I was surprised to see that that's the word she chose to use to sort of capture Donald Trump's criticism. 0.91

00:26:55.920 But, Amber, you probably have—you've probably been following this more on Twitter than I have, but it's been pretty ludicrous, the responses.

00:27:02.580 Well, it's amazing, the reaction, because Donald Trump knows what he's doing.

00:27:08.020 He knows what he—especially with these tweets.

00:27:10.120 He is the true—he is the poet of tweeting.

00:27:14.080 He is the William Shakespeare of tweeting.

00:27:16.040 So he knows when he says something, she would do anything.

00:27:19.320 He knows how the left is going to respond.

00:27:21.500 Now, obviously, saying that you will prioritize—that a Democrat or a politician will prioritize donors over the American people and constituents, that's the oldest political attack there is.

00:27:32.920 Donald Trump eroded that line of attack all the way to the White House.

00:27:36.020 He said, I can't be bought by everybody.

00:27:38.340 Everybody else is bought and paid for by donors.

00:27:40.780 But he knew that they would respond that way, and they can't resist from doing it.

00:27:45.560 They have to put their heads right in the gutter, and then he can stand there and say, what's the matter with you? 1.00

00:27:49.840 I'm saying a typical, timeless political insult, and you're bringing it right back to sex, you dirty mainstream media perverts. 1.00

00:27:57.840 Now, Amber, Liz Warren alleged that he called Gillibrand a slut, but she didn't attack him for calling her a slut. 1.00

00:28:06.180 She attacked him for suggesting that it's bad to be a slut. 0.99

00:28:09.180 Has the sexual revolution advanced so much that the left can no longer take offense at being called a slut? 0.99

00:28:15.980 You simply have to accept that premise and then say that that's not a bad thing. 0.94

00:28:20.240 Well, yeah, it's so strange the way that she chose to attack the Trump tweet.

00:28:24.540 A normal person, if they really thought that Trump was making some kind of sexual innuendo,

00:28:30.840 I would imagine they would throw up their hands and they would say,

00:28:33.420 how dare you accuse my colleague of wanting to use sexual favors to get campaign contributions?

00:28:39.400 She would never do that. 0.98

00:28:40.360 That's disgusting.

00:28:41.260 It's unethical.

00:28:42.560 Instead, Elizabeth Warren's response was that even if Senator Gillibrand had done that, 0.88

00:28:49.160 then shame on you for criticizing her.

00:28:51.740 It's not that she would never do that. 0.98

00:28:53.960 It's that even if she did, you're wrong for calling her a slut for doing it. 0.99

00:28:58.200 It's so absurd. 0.95

00:28:59.660 I mean, if that really is the case that she did that,

00:29:01.960 and I don't even think that's what Trump was implying because he's used the same language about Senator Ted Cruz, for example.

00:29:07.240 He said to Mitt Romney, he said Mitt Romney came begging for my endorsement.

00:29:10.600 I could have told him to get on his knees. 0.87

00:29:12.300 Was he sexually harassing Romney? 0.96

00:29:14.620 Apparently so. 0.90

00:29:15.500 It's so funny that even if that's what Trump was implying, for them to take issue with the fact that he was calling her a slut rather than that he was accusing her of doing something unethical is just indicative of how politically correct the left is. 0.94

00:29:32.760 And Elizabeth Warren's clearly trying to play into the young millennial, slut walk, modern feminism ploy where women are allowed to do whatever they want and they can't be criticized for it because you're just slut shaming or being sexist. 1.00

00:29:45.540 So I think this is just another example of her trying to get ready for 20 to 20, trying to get those young people in her base.

00:29:52.000 And Ariel, well, shame is very much under attack right now.

00:29:56.280 People don't like shame probably because our culture is decadent.

00:30:00.760 And I'm not complaining.

00:30:01.620 Decadent cultures are a lot of fun. 0.78

00:30:03.180 But shame is getting short shrift here.

00:30:06.520 Isn't there a place for shame in society, in self-discipline, in the way that you live your own life?

00:30:12.820 Isn't shame, doesn't it serve an edifying role at times?

00:30:17.760 It actually plays a very important role in society.

00:30:20.700 Shame is sort of how we depend on internal shame and both external shame to regulate our own behavior.

00:30:26.520 And that's something even like behavioral psychologists will tell you, whether it be in a business setting, like a professional setting, or whether it be on like personal, you know, person-to-person basis.

00:30:36.480 Shame is what prevents us from hurting those around us and from making decisions that are best for our own interests.

00:30:41.660 And so when it comes to, you know, kind of what Amber was alluding to, this, you'll see, we're going to see a lot more of this sort of permitting, you know, behavior or preventing anyone from engaging in self-evaluation, especially from the left, because you have a lot of figures who tend to be on the older end of the spectrum on the left side of the party.

00:31:02.660 And they're really trying to appeal to those young leftist voters.

00:31:05.960 And this is a way for them to sort of show their progressive chops.

00:31:09.440 We're not going to be judgmental like the establishment Democrats.

00:31:12.580 You know, we're going to be free-loving and more free-spirited and you do you and there's no real element of self-evolution.

00:31:19.040 Don't yuck my yum, man. 0.88

00:31:20.480 There's a really big hypocrisy to it, too, because these are the same people who are using public shame to rid politics and the media of all of these sexual harassers. 0.70

00:31:31.400 It's the same exact tactic, yet they don't want to apply it inward.

00:31:34.260 Well, this is the irony of cultural relativism is the same people who are saying that no culture is better than any other culture and all cultures are the same and how dare you assert cultural superiority are the same ones who are claiming that there's a rape culture on college campuses.

00:31:49.820 If no culture is better than any other, why should we worry about a rape culture? 0.99

00:31:53.720 They can't answer that because obviously we all know that certain cultures are better than others and we wouldn't choose a rape culture if that were a reality. 0.80

00:32:03.520 But it really, it harshes their mellow and it makes them get all judgy, you know?

00:32:08.180 You know what I mean, man?

00:32:10.160 Absolutely.

00:32:11.260 All right, we have to move on.

00:32:12.720 I need to get a little judgmental on the fake news media because we have another fake news roundup today.

00:32:18.000 We did a whole episode on fake news, but then one of my favorite fiction novelists, Chris Silliza, and the Will Ferrell impersonator, Jim Acosta, have really given us a great performance today.

00:32:30.840 Here is Sarah Huckabee Sanders smacking around Jim Acosta, star of Anchorman. 1.00

00:32:37.260 I would just say, Sarah, that journalists make honest mistakes and that doesn't make them fake news.

00:32:41.980 But the question that I have...

00:32:43.200 But when journalists make honest mistakes, they should own up to them.

00:32:46.200 Sometimes, and a lot of times you don't.

00:32:48.740 But there's a difference.

00:32:49.840 There's a very big...

00:32:50.840 I'm sorry.

00:32:51.500 I'm not finished.

00:32:52.700 There's a very big difference between making honest mistakes and purposefully misleading the American people, something that happens regularly.

00:32:59.920 You can't say, I'm not done.

00:33:02.440 You cannot say...

00:33:03.920 You cannot say that it's an honest mistake when you're purposely putting out information that you know to be false.

00:33:12.980 Or when you're taking information that hasn't been validated, that hasn't been offered any credibility, and that has been continually denied by a number of people, including people with direct knowledge of an instance.

00:33:24.060 This is something that I'm speaking about.

00:33:28.380 The number of reports that have taken place over the last couple of weeks, I'm simply stating that there should be a certain level of responsibility in that process.

00:33:36.640 So what Sarah Huckabee Sanders said there, by the way, is 100% true.

00:33:42.360 Now, you might take issue, you say, well, we don't have evidence that they're intentionally cooking up stories.

00:33:46.940 But just to point out her diction there, she said either if they're cooking up stories or if they're running stories recklessly without vetting their information.

00:33:54.680 Because of that or, her statement is 100% true.

00:33:57.220 And by the way, there's plenty of evidence that they're just cooking up stories and intentionally pushing them.

00:34:01.920 This didn't stop CNN's Chris Saliza from running this headline today.

00:34:06.660 Sarah Sanders just made a hugely offensive allegation against the media. 1.00

00:34:11.080 Now, it might be offensive, but it's true. 0.91

00:34:13.360 The reality is offensive to the news media because they're publishing fake stories.

00:34:17.820 There have been three major screw-ups from the media, three major retractions in just the last three days.

00:34:24.600 Chris Saliza, I love that he's the guy to run this story today because he ran another story before the election,

00:34:31.120 which was titled, quote, Donald Trump's chances of winning are approaching zero.

00:34:36.500 They're approaching zero.

00:34:37.540 That's Chris Saliza, who says, how dare you say that we get stories wrong or we recklessly run stories without corroborating evidence. 0.69

00:34:45.920 Now, Amber, the mainstream media have been exposed as hacks and liars and lying hacks.

00:34:53.540 Is there any way for them to recover their credibility from here? 0.52

00:34:56.620 Oh, man, it's going to be really, really hard because they just keep digging the hole even deeper.

00:35:03.240 They don't stop.

00:35:04.240 No, they don't.

00:35:05.200 CNN, of course, had that botched report on Friday about Don Jr. and WikiLeaks where they got the date of an email wrong.

00:35:12.120 The only thing about that report, by the way, the only thing that was wrong about that report was every single thing that they said about it.

00:35:17.460 But other than that, the story was pretty accurate, I think.

00:35:19.640 Yeah, and they talked to two different sources, supposedly independently, who both gave them the wrong date.

00:35:27.100 I mean, it's incredibly hard to believe.

00:35:29.200 I'm pretty sure what happened here is that the reporters at CNN basically had their own biases about alleged collusion between Trump and Russia confirmed.

00:35:37.820 So they ended up running with the story, even though they didn't even see a physical copy of the email or have independent verification of such.

00:35:45.900 By the way, do you know what I think about that story?

00:35:47.800 I think this is my conspiracy hat on, so I'll put on the tinfoil hat.

00:35:51.880 But having worked on some campaigns before, I would not be surprised at all if it was a Republican who leaked that info to CNN,

00:35:58.700 knowing that CNN wouldn't vet the information, knowing that they would recklessly run with it because it confirmed their biases.

00:36:04.280 We know that the Trump administration did this to Rachel Maddow over those tax returns.

00:36:09.300 I wouldn't be surprised.

00:36:10.440 And if so, excellent job because you totally exposed CNN for doing it.

00:36:14.720 It's just hard for me to believe that Democrats could be that incompetent to leak information with a completely wrong date on it.

00:36:22.000 But if it was a dirty trick, well done.

00:36:24.260 A wonderful political trick to expose those hacks at CNN.

00:36:28.780 Ariel, some of the degradation of journalism has been driven by demand.

00:36:33.420 So we want more opinion in our reporting.

00:36:36.720 We don't just want the facts.

00:36:37.980 Facts are boring.

00:36:38.900 The clicks go to saucy headlines and opinion journalism.

00:36:43.760 That guy Dave Weigel who posted that completely fake story about Trump's crowd size,

00:36:48.680 he was hired to provide facts and opinion and analysis and whatever.

00:36:53.720 They know that they drive this.

00:36:55.120 Is the way forward more opinion or should the news media be sacrificing some views to get less biased coverage or more balanced coverage?

00:37:05.140 Well, my answer to this is always pretty firm in the sense that there are – if you really have a strong opinion and you don't think you are capable of producing a report on an event without that opinion impacting your report,

00:37:19.420 then you should be an opinion journalist.

00:37:21.420 You should write for a political journal that has a particular given slant.

00:37:27.800 There are people that have slants and they know this about themselves. 1.00

00:37:31.220 And so as a result of that, they, you know, they join – they become political journalists with a particular slant and they join that given publication.

00:37:39.800 My issue is that there are plenty of wonderful journalists out there who work extra, extra hard – in fact, I know them and I'm close friends with them – that work extra, extra hard to make sure their opinion doesn't infiltrate their work.

00:37:52.000 However, those people end up being in the minority.

00:37:55.620 What I have seen from mainstream outlets is that we have too many journalists who are taking for granted now.

00:38:01.120 They see themselves as sort of what I understand as moral arbiters.

00:38:04.900 They see themselves as firefighters.

00:38:06.480 They see themselves as part of the resistance.

00:38:08.160 And so everything they do in pursuit of resisting Trump is somehow morally good.

00:38:13.780 And so in that sense, they don't – they put their resistance to Trump and their resistance to the GOP agenda as the number one priority as opposed to reporting absolute fact.

00:38:24.580 What Sarah Huckabee Sanders said was not necessarily incorrect because the line between reckless reporting and intentional misinformation is there, but it's very slim and it's also often blurred, right?

00:38:36.080 If you're driving at extremely high speeds and an accident occurs, are you no longer responsible?

00:38:41.660 Same goes for plagiarism.

00:38:43.380 Amber can probably speak because she works directly in the industry. 1.00

00:38:47.000 There are harsh penalties for plagiarism.

00:38:49.740 And sometimes it's not even intentional, but the punishment is still the same.

00:38:53.940 And that sort of goes – when I think about how we punish or how we respond to misinformation, yes, there are genuine mistakes, but the result of misinformation, whether it's intentional or just a matter of carelessness, the result is still the same.

00:39:08.600 You still spread false information.

00:39:10.200 And I know the way to punish it.

00:39:11.280 I know my favorite way to punish it, which is to just keep ridiculing them.

00:39:14.620 Show them – we showed this clip yesterday from CNN where it looks like journalism.

00:39:20.340 And for so long we thought it was journalism.

00:39:22.200 We thought it was news.

00:39:23.180 The guy's wearing the nice tie and his hair is combed and they're speaking seriously.

00:39:27.400 They're probably wearing these glasses, you know, and it seems like a serious conversation, but it's not news.

00:39:31.760 It's just fabricated nonsense and partisan hackery.

00:39:35.320 And I'm more than happy to keep ridiculing it. 0.94

00:39:38.480 Bring it on, baby.

00:39:39.580 It is extra covfefe this time of year.

00:39:42.820 Ladies, thank you for being here. 0.98

00:39:43.900 Amber Athey from The Daily Caller and Ariel Davidson from The Federalist.

00:39:48.140 That's our show.

00:39:48.820 That's the whole show today.

00:39:50.040 Stay tuned for the conversation with Ben Shapiro.

00:39:52.220 It's going to be a lot of fun.

00:39:53.260 And other than that, I will see you tomorrow.

00:39:55.540 Come back tomorrow.

00:39:56.700 We'll do it all again.

00:39:57.600 I am Michael Knowles.

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The Michael Knowles Show - December 12, 2017

Ep. 73 - Keaton Jones： Why We Can’t Have Nice Things

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