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00:00:00.000 It's a familiar story. We've heard it so many times in recent years. The employees of a tech

00:00:06.200 company want to get the company very involved in leftist social causes. It's so important

00:00:12.780 to use the company for good, and therefore the company's got to go woke. It's a not so familiar

00:00:19.340 solution when this company, Basecamp, just told all of their woke employees to shut up,

00:00:26.180 and then a bunch of the employees quit, and the company said, don't let the door hit you on the

00:00:31.560 way out. We will examine this brilliant, sophisticated solution to the problem of

00:00:37.520 wokeness in corporations by telling the workers to go pound sand. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the

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00:02:29.780 more like based camp. Am I right? Am I right? Finally, oh my goodness. How long have we been waiting

00:02:36.020 for a company to just tell their woke employees exactly where they can shove their new leftist

00:02:43.480 ideas? The employees go to base camp, which is just a, it's a software company. They do kind of

00:02:49.220 communication management, that sort of thing. They go to the company. They say, we've got to get

00:02:55.120 involved in this cause and that cause and diversity and inclusion and equity and this and that and this

00:02:58.860 and that. And the CEO sent out a note, which said, quote, we make project management, team

00:03:06.920 communication and email software. This is the CEO, Jason Fried. We don't have to solve deep social

00:03:14.520 problems. Chime in publicly whenever the world requests our opinion on the major issues of the day

00:03:20.800 or get behind one movement or another with time or treasure. These are all important topics,

00:03:27.200 but they are not our topics at work. Other executives at the company pointing out that when employees are

00:03:34.740 spending all their time chiming in on, I don't know, Black Lives Matter or some social issue on the

00:03:40.400 official communication channels, that is time that they are not spending working, doing their jobs,

00:03:47.460 the things that they are paid to do. So as a result of this CEO missive, totally common sense stuff,

00:03:54.860 one third of the company's 60 employees left the company, took buyouts and said, get out of here.

00:04:01.060 And do you know what the executive said? See ya. Bye-bye. Okay. Of course they said,

00:04:07.120 see ya. Bye-bye. The employees thought that this would be a big blow to the company.

00:04:10.880 Guess who comes out ahead here? You've got the most annoying, useless, unproductive,

00:04:16.200 counterproductive employees. They're saying, you know, if you won't let us waste more of your time

00:04:20.940 while we get paid, we might leave. The CEO sitting there says like, what's the catch? Hold on here.

00:04:29.560 You're telling me that I will not have to deal with you and I don't have to deal with you? Wait,

00:04:36.760 hold on. Is that, you're saying I don't need to do the thing you're demanding now and I won't have

00:04:39.880 to deal with it in the future and I'll get a more productive employee? Where do I sign up?

00:04:45.640 Where's the hell? There's got to be some hidden text here, right? No. There were a number of

00:04:52.500 employees who after they left said, basically the company has told us, well, your opinions don't

00:04:59.700 really matter unless it's directly related to the business. A lot of people are going to have a tough

00:05:03.920 time living with that. Yeah. Annoying, unproductive, counterproductive people are going to have a hard

00:05:10.660 time with that, but good employees are going to love that. They're going to love that because

00:05:16.160 obviously I have definitive political opinions. You listening to the show probably have some pretty

00:05:24.480 strong political opinions, but I bet that you would prefer to go into the office every day

00:05:30.360 and not have to worry about those opinions one way or the other, not have to worry about pushing

00:05:35.000 this view on tax cuts, this view, even on immigration, this view on that. You probably just want to go,

00:05:40.460 go do your job and then go home and spend time with your family and spend time in your community and

00:05:44.920 maybe be involved in the politics of your community, but not have to conflate everything so that your

00:05:50.140 whole personal life and your whole professional life and your whole political life, they're all the

00:05:53.600 same thing, right? Now there is a further step here. So I love what they did. I think we should

00:06:00.680 totally support these guys, but there are three opinions on politics in the workplace. There's the,

00:06:08.400 we need to support every single leftist cause. We need to go woke because that's now part of the

00:06:14.040 dominant liberal regime. All right, that's one. The second view is politics shouldn't have anything

00:06:19.560 to do with our work and economic choices shouldn't necessarily have to do with all these political

00:06:24.420 views. That's two, I think that's where most of us want to be and that's the message that Basecamp

00:06:29.540 is trying to put out here. But then there's the third version, which I think is the real version,

00:06:34.820 which is we need to actively support conservative companies, companies that in any way break from

00:06:42.380 woke politics. We need, we as conservatives need to support those companies and we need to punish

00:06:47.700 companies that don't. And I know that's going to sound icky to a lot of people because a lot of us

00:06:52.800 say, well, I shouldn't have to make political decisions when I'm buying sneakers or when I'm buying

00:06:56.580 project management software or whatever at Basecamp. But you actually do because in politics and in war,

00:07:03.200 your opponent has a say in the rules of the game. And what the left has told us is that every

00:07:08.220 economic decision that you make is going to be political and they are going to reward the

00:07:13.220 companies that go far to the left and undermine our political order. So you know what we've got to

00:07:17.720 do if we in any way want to fight back against that? We need to do the same in the opposite direction.

00:07:22.960 And we need to actively not use the project management software that goes woke and we need to

00:07:29.160 actively use Basecamp or any other company that resists the wokeness. We have to do that. I'm so,

00:07:35.940 I know that we don't want to do that. We want to go back to the halcyon days of, I don't know,

00:07:39.640 four or five decades ago when the companies did not go woke, but this is the world we're living in now.

00:07:44.060 And we've got to reward companies like Basecamp. James Carville, legendary Democrat strategist.

00:07:50.460 He is the guy who looks like an alien. He is breaking with the democratic party on the wokeness

00:08:01.220 issue. And he's saying wokeness is going to be an absolute poisonous ideology for Democrats

00:08:08.260 because it's going to show people how out of touch the democratic party is. It's going to

00:08:14.580 cause the democratic party to lose the common sense. We should make clear, this is a political

00:08:20.860 conversation. It's not that James Carville and you correct me if I'm wrong, is questioning any

00:08:25.740 one aspect of what gets lumped into wokeness. But I think you're saying as a political strategy,

00:08:31.760 this dog doesn't hunt. Well, not it doesn't hunt on, on, on, on several levels. First of all,

00:08:38.300 it sounds like I call it the fact politics of the faculty lounge. And in my view, if you want to in

00:08:46.020 politics, you should speak the language of the people. You should speak clear, direct English

00:08:50.840 and address people as they address each other. Not like the humanities department at Amherst wants

00:08:57.040 you to address everybody. So there is an irony here that James Carville is saying people should

00:09:02.500 speak very clear English. James Carville has one of the thickest Louisiana accents that

00:09:08.040 anybody does in public life, but his point is absolutely right. And his point is exactly the

00:09:13.240 point of Antonio Gramsci, a radical theorist that we mentioned quite a lot on this show because he in

00:09:22.020 many ways is the godfather of this woke, politically correct ideology that we're now seeing flourish

00:09:29.700 today. But he, he, he was writing and calling for these things a hundred years ago. The common sense

00:09:35.620 that's, that's, I'm sorry, I just missed a plug. I talk about this a lot in my book, Speechless,

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00:09:43.500 believe I almost let that go. So, so Carville and Gramsci are saying you've got to hold on to the

00:09:51.180 common sense. And if you have the politics of the faculty lounge and you've got Nike saying the

00:09:57.140 American flag is evil, don't, don't post anything with even the Betsy Ross flag and you've got Coca-Cola

00:10:03.600 saying we can't have election integrity laws and you've got, I don't know, Gillette razors telling

00:10:08.300 your little daughter to shave her face because she's going to be a little boy now or Harry's razors or

00:10:12.180 whatever, then that's going to be a big problem. And he's right for a little while. He's right. If you do

00:10:20.240 too much too fast, that's going to be a problem. But if you take this further and you follow more

00:10:27.040 closely what people like Gramsci and the critical theorists and the new left later and the Maoists

00:10:32.940 in the sixties and seventies and, and all of these people who followed from them, if you go a little

00:10:36.800 further, what you realize is that gradual change here, taking wars or taking positions of influence

00:10:43.220 and then exerting that influence throughout the whole culture. Eventually the goal is to transform

00:10:48.780 the common sense. And that has happened to a large degree. Think about your favorite woke millennial.

00:10:56.860 Think about even some of the zoomers, the generation below. They are taught from kindergarten or pre

00:11:02.940 kindergarten or now, I don't know, you start school at age two now or something. You didn't do that when,

00:11:07.200 when I was a kid, when I was a youth, but now they keep you in school longer and longer to indoctrinate

00:11:11.920 you more and more. So you start school at age two or three and you don't leave until you've got seven

00:11:15.920 graduate degrees in advanced lesbian studies. So you're there for a long time and you're steeped

00:11:22.500 in this idea that Christopher Columbus, evil, George Washington, evil, the history of the West,

00:11:27.160 absolutely evil literature, what sexist and racist, William Shakespeare, he was probably a white

00:11:32.040 supremacist patriarch and you're taught to hate your culture. And even a month, so obviously the left is

00:11:39.060 going along with that. They're the ones pushing it, but many, many people who are in the middle,

00:11:42.900 many, many people who are even center right, who are those kinds of squishy conservatives,

00:11:48.420 they have bought this line of argument because the left has in many ways successfully transformed

00:11:53.720 the common sense. So Carville's right. It might cost Democrats some elections in the short term,

00:11:57.900 but they are winning the long game. In a way, James Carville's thinking like a conservative here,

00:12:02.520 just in that next election, that next election. But the Democrats don't even care so much about the

00:12:06.540 next election. They care about winning that hundred years war, that long march through the

00:12:10.740 institutions that conservatives don't recognize. So if we, if we don't push back against that,

00:12:16.040 instead of just gloating and saying, oh, well, we're going to do much better in the midterms now

00:12:19.540 because Democrats are trying to trans the kids or something. If we, if we don't focus on the longer

00:12:24.920 game too, then it's not going to matter if we win an election next year. Oh good. We won the Congress

00:12:29.040 back. Okay. What's that going to do if the Democrats are totally shaping the culture? They're going

00:12:35.120 really, really hard. And maybe that, that gives you, you know, a sense of sensationalism and craziness

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00:14:04.020 in the short term. I'll show you how crazy this is. Caitlyn Jenner, who is, I suppose,

00:14:11.000 the leading Republican candidate for governor now in California, shows you about the state of

00:14:15.220 California. Caitlyn Jenner just came out and said, I oppose biological boys who are trans

00:14:23.380 competing in girls' sports. It just isn't fair. And we have to protect girls' sports in our schools.

00:14:29.480 On the one hand, good. I'm glad. I don't like some of the wording here, right? Because listen to the

00:14:37.160 wording. He says, I oppose biological boys who are trans competing in girls' sports. There is no who

00:14:42.680 are trans. There is no trans identity. There is this contrived idea of the trans identity,

00:14:49.320 but it doesn't have to do with our actual human nature. One cannot actually be a boy, but, you know,

00:14:55.800 have the biology of a girl, but really, truly be a boy. That is a mistaken understanding of human

00:15:00.860 nature. And he, Caitlyn Jenner, is obviously buying into this mistaken idea of human nature. So I don't

00:15:06.920 like that, but hey, I'll give him credit. That's great. I'm glad that he opposes boys playing in the

00:15:10.900 girls' sports. It would appear that Caitlyn Jenner has a more conservative view on transgender issues

00:15:16.100 than Kristi Noem in South Dakota. How insane is that? Shows you the ramifications of this woke

00:15:23.240 politics, these woke corporations, because why did Kristi Noem cave on the NCAA and college sports

00:15:30.760 allowing men to compete against women? I don't know. I don't know for sure. I'm just speculating.

00:15:36.060 Did she get a call from some donors, from some corporations? Did she realize that she was going

00:15:41.440 to have to get involved in a long, protracted battle with the NCAA, with the universities, with

00:15:46.620 these ostensibly private institutions that exert a lot of political power? I assume some of that

00:15:52.460 had, had something to do with, with her decision not to oppose the, the trans issue in sports

00:15:58.940 at the college level, even though she would do it at the high school level. But I say appears here

00:16:04.680 because I don't want to be taken in. This is always the problem with Caitlyn Jenner. On many,

00:16:09.820 many issues, would Caitlyn Jenner be better than Gavin Newsom? Of course. Frankly, he, he might even be

00:16:15.800 better as a policy matter on the transgender issue. But what are we giving away if we get behind

00:16:24.320 Caitlyn Jenner for governor? We are, I think, embracing the transgender issue. I think we're

00:16:32.000 giving up our understanding of human nature, even if we might get some slightly better policy.

00:16:37.600 That's, that's my fear here. And that's a big give. You know, I was, I was talking to a friend

00:16:45.240 of mine who said the way, the only way conservatives can endorse Caitlyn Jenner is if, if they form an

00:16:50.600 organization called Conservatives for Bruce and we only call him Bruce Jenner and we basically ignore

00:16:56.480 the fact that he thinks that he's a woman or, or pretends to be a woman. It's a, it's a funny answer.

00:17:02.140 And I, I think it, it does address the problems that we have, but it's a little too clever by half,

00:17:07.560 right? Because Caitlyn Jenner is, if, if he is elected, he is going to put himself out there as

00:17:12.660 a woman. People are going to look up and say, oh, he is a woman. We are now acknowledging this. Even

00:17:18.000 the Republicans are acknowledging this in society and Democrats, they're the real transphobes or

00:17:22.000 something like that. So you lose a lot here. I also say appears because I don't know that Caitlyn

00:17:27.040 Jenner really supports this. Don't forget, Kristi Noem talked a good game on the transgender issue

00:17:31.400 until the rubber met the road. And then she caved. What does Caitlyn Jenner really feel here? Caitlyn

00:17:36.920 Jenner wrote an op-ed in 2018. So not three years ago in the Washington post. And the headline was,

00:17:44.360 I thought Trump would help trans people. I was wrong. And this is, this is the money line here

00:17:48.520 in the piece. The reality is that the trans community is being relentlessly attacked by this

00:17:53.540 president, relentlessly attacked by Donald Trump, the most pro LGBT president in us history,

00:17:59.620 waving the rainbow flag on the campaign trail. Says the leader of our nation has shown no regard

00:18:07.020 for an already marginalized and struggling community. He has ignored our humanity. He has

00:18:11.500 insulted our dignity. What? He has made trans people into political pawns as he whips up animus

00:18:17.340 against us in an attempt to energize the most right-wing segment of his party, claiming his

00:18:21.260 anti-transgender policies are meant to protect the country. Yeah, duh. He's saying that people who are

00:18:26.140 very, very confused and take, have various physical procedures on them that make them a little

00:18:33.140 out of fighting shape shouldn't be in the military necessarily. He's saying that boys shouldn't

00:18:38.040 compete against girls. He's saying that men shouldn't use the ladies room. This is the vicious

00:18:43.000 anti-transgender stuff that Caitlyn's talking about. He goes on. This is politics at its worst. It is

00:18:48.100 unacceptable. It is upsetting. It has deeply personally hurt me. Believing that I could work with Trump and his

00:18:53.420 administration to support our community was a mistake. The recently leaked DHS memo that suggests

00:18:58.060 preposterously and unscientifically that the government ought to link gender to one's genitalia

00:19:01.740 at birth is just one more example in a pattern of political attacks. Preposterously and unscientifically,

00:19:09.140 he says, it would be to link one's sex to one's genitals. This guy, who I'm not convinced that Caitlyn

00:19:17.880 Jenner even wrote this op-ed because most of these celebrities don't write their own op-eds. But the

00:19:23.300 guy who wrote and or put his name on this op-ed has absolutely no business in the Republican party.

00:19:29.760 This is insane. And if we endorse this stuff, if we endorse what is in this op-ed, we are not

00:19:35.260 conserving anything because we're giving up human nature. And we are now saying that if you believe

00:19:40.660 that men and women are different, you're a bigot and you have no place in the Republican party.

00:19:44.060 Uh-uh. The people who hold those views have no place in the Republican party.

00:19:48.380 There are some people though, look, this is a political winner of an issue to say boys shouldn't

00:19:52.920 compete against girls. Everyone knows that this is true. This is totally common sense.

00:19:57.760 The vast, vast, vast majority of Americans believe in this, which is why I suspect Caitlyn Jenner is

00:20:03.420 putting out these statements here. Whether, whether it's his campaign that's putting it out or whether

00:20:07.720 he even agrees with this, who knows? But every governor in America basically is coming out and saying

00:20:13.460 this. And some of them, I suspect, believe it. Ron DeSantis just came out and signed a bill saying

00:20:17.920 the boys can't compete against girls. Gave a good reason why. Governor DeSantis, a bill of the similar

00:20:23.000 nature is about to cross your desk. You're going to sign up. Oh yeah, we're going to protect our

00:20:27.140 girls. I have a four-year-old daughter and a one-year-old daughter. And they're both very athletic and we

00:20:33.460 want to have opportunities for, for our girls. They deserve an even playing field. And that's what we're

00:20:38.600 doing with what Mississippi did, with what Florida did. And I know what other states are going to do.

00:20:42.340 So I look forward to be able to sign that into law. Speaking of bodily transitions,

00:20:47.940 to me, the most interesting part of this clip, and you wouldn't notice if you were just listening to

00:20:51.840 it, but if you've seen this clip, does Ron DeSantis look like he's lost some weight?

00:20:57.120 It looks to me like the guy has gone on a little bit of a diet. You know, his suits used to be kind

00:21:02.400 of oversized. Now it's a little bit trimmer, looks a little bit better on camera. His hair is a little

00:21:07.380 bit better done. Looks to me almost like this guy is running for president. And I think it's pretty

00:21:14.020 obvious Ron DeSantis has been positioning himself to run for president now for a while. And he's done

00:21:18.600 a great job. I think he's doing a terrific job in Florida and he's doing a good job at running for

00:21:23.360 president. I have the only bit of caution I've ever urged on everyone jumping on the DeSantis bandwagon

00:21:29.940 is just that we need to see more from him. That's all I've said, because in many ways he reminds me

00:21:37.060 of Chris Christie 2020. And by the way, or I'm sorry, Chris Christie 2012. Chris Christie 2012

00:21:42.200 was a great candidate. He should have gotten the nomination probably. And at least of the candidates

00:21:46.860 who were being talked about later on in the race, he was a great contender for that. He, a couple

00:21:53.800 years earlier, had started losing weight, right? And he really tried to gear up for 2016 and it was just

00:21:58.560 too late at that point. A state politician said all the right things, did a lot of the right things,

00:22:04.280 was very adept. And I think that Ron DeSantis is a better candidate than Christie was, but we need to

00:22:11.620 see more from him. I have a lot more trust that DeSantis will go ahead and do the right thing than

00:22:17.220 I would in Christie Noem or Caitlyn Jenner for that matter. But we've just got to see this because

00:22:22.500 the Republicans have been fooled before. Okay. We've had our hearts broken. We've been jilted

00:22:30.000 by people that we have elevated to governorships, to the Senate, to the House, to the Republican

00:22:37.840 presidential nomination. You know who I'm talking about here. I'm talking about Republicans' biggest

00:22:45.700 mistake in a long time. Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney. In 2012, Mitt Romney was the one candidate who was

00:22:55.540 running for president who could not credibly oppose Obamacare. Obamacare was the biggest issue in 2009

00:23:03.480 and 2010 and 2011. In 2012, that was going to be the issue on the campaign. There was one Republican

00:23:09.620 in America who could not run on this issue because he invented Obamacare when he was governor of

00:23:15.680 Massachusetts. Who was that candidate? Mitt Romney, the one that we ended up nominating.

00:23:20.580 And now Mitt Romney is persona non grata in the Republican Party, and largely for good reason.

00:23:26.780 But think about this. It was not that long ago that Republicans chose him to be our standard bearer.

00:23:33.020 That shows you how the Republican Party is divided, is unclear in which direction it wants to go.

00:23:40.740 So Romney was the governor of Massachusetts, then he ran for president. Then he became senator from

00:23:44.720 Utah because he's just a rich guy who doesn't, doesn't really matter where he lives. So he became

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00:26:03.280 from you. We'll be right back with a lot more. The former governor of Massachusetts who became

00:26:19.480 the Republican nominee just what, nine years ago, was just booed off the stage in Utah where he is

00:26:27.780 the Republican senator. My, oh my, how things can change. Take a listen to Mitt Romney's chilly

00:26:34.300 reaction. Now, you know me as a person who says what he thinks, and I don't hide the fact that I

00:26:40.500 wasn't a fan of our last president's character issues. And I'm also no fan of the president's. Yeah, sure.

00:26:57.900 My friends, this is the moment I was talking about. Please. Thank you. Show respect.

00:27:04.440 So, yeah, I understand that I have a few folks that don't like me terribly much, and I'm sorry

00:27:12.320 about that. Oh, yeah, you can boo all you like, but I've been a Republican all my life. Thank you.

00:27:22.960 Tough crowd, Mitt. Tough crowd. And Mitt always presents himself as he's the adult in the room.

00:27:29.260 He is Mr. Republican. I'm the old principled kind of Republican, but now you guys have gone crazy.

00:27:33.580 I've been a Republican all my life, you Johnny-come-latelys. I've been a Republican all my

00:27:39.100 life. Is that so, Mitt? Let's rewind the tape to when you were running for senator from Massachusetts

00:27:44.180 against Ted Kennedy in 1994. Were you a Republican all your life? Look, I was an independent during

00:27:50.660 the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush. My positions don't talk about things

00:27:55.320 that you suggest they talk about. Oh, oh, I guess you weren't a Republican all your life. I guess

00:28:01.280 during the most important Republican administration in recent memory before Donald Trump, and I guess

00:28:07.120 in that there were two terms defeated the Cold War, I guess it ends up being a more consequential

00:28:10.920 Republican administration. Mitt Romney was not a Republican. I was an independent during the time

00:28:16.440 of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush. Now, he may have been a Republican

00:28:19.800 during that time, and he may have just been lying to Ted Kennedy, but this is the problem with Mitt

00:28:23.260 Romney. I am not saying that I despise Mitt Romney. I detest him. He's just weak. That's

00:28:33.580 the problem. There are many things I admire about Mitt Romney. Well, that's not, there's one, his

00:28:37.460 hair. I admire the hair. He's got great hair. But as a political matter, Romney represents the liberal

00:28:45.400 wing of the Republican Party, just like his dad did, George Romney. And Mitt Romney has been on the

00:28:51.620 wrong side of a lot of issues here. He was on the wrong side of the Reagan administration, for goodness

00:28:56.060 sakes. He was on the wrong side of Obamacare. He's on the wrong side of BLM. The guy was out marching

00:29:02.160 with BLM last year. BLM was torching the country coast to coast, starting in Minneapolis, but not

00:29:08.300 ending in Minneapolis. And what does Romney do? Does he go out and say, hey, don't burn down the

00:29:13.860 country? Hey, this is bad. We oppose this organization. No, he goes and marches with them.

00:29:17.800 So I think Romney got exactly what he deserves there at the Utah state convention. Not every

00:29:25.380 Republican who showed up there got booed. Mike Lee, who is a pretty strong conservative,

00:29:31.100 comes a little bit more from the libertarian wing, but he's still got his conservative bona

00:29:35.360 fides. That guy got cheered as well he should. He's been on the right side of a lot of issues,

00:29:40.140 but there's a big divide here. Which way, Republican man, which way are you going to go?

00:29:45.480 You've got Romney, who opposed the Republican president, didn't vote for him. He probably

00:29:53.100 voted for Joe Biden. I don't know who he voted for in 2020. You've got George W. Bush. George

00:29:59.060 W. Bush, former Republican president, who is now actively working to get amnesty for tens

00:30:05.380 of millions of illegal aliens. I think piecemeal probably makes sense. And I think the president,

00:30:10.340 if I could be so bold, call in Republicans who are like-minded and say, let's see if we can't get

00:30:16.400 something done. You know, border security is always a touchstone issue on this. And Americans

00:30:24.320 have got to be assured that the government's doing everything they can to enforce the border.

00:30:27.900 But there ought to be a recognition that without some reforms, let me rephrase it,

00:30:35.800 reforming will make it easier to enforce the border. Comprehensive may be too big a reach right

00:30:40.660 now. And so if they, like if they can get DACA done and with some border enhancement, you know,

00:30:48.560 plans to give Republicans comfort in voting for the bill, then all of a sudden there's confidence

00:30:53.800 to be gained. And then they can deal with the work or they can deal with the undocumented.

00:30:58.120 But yeah, that may be a better approach. George Bush has been pretty consistent about this

00:31:04.260 throughout his career. He said that he supports amnesty. Basically, he tried to work on a big

00:31:11.460 amnesty bill and that didn't really work. Tried to get the wall built kind of, but that also didn't

00:31:16.360 really work because it didn't have teeth. He's now saying you've at least got to get DACA. DACA is for

00:31:20.620 the dreamers, right? And the dreamers, we're told the dreamers are these cute little six-year-olds

00:31:25.000 who are brought over across the border. It's not their fault. At this point, the dreamers are like

00:31:28.760 40 years old. And I don't know, they're not as, they're not as cute when they turn 40, you know?

00:31:34.640 If we deport the dreamers, who will watch their grandkids, you know? So yes, the dreamers are the

00:31:39.800 big issue. And so we've got to leave, give amnesty to millions and millions, but that's only the first

00:31:44.360 step because then we've got to give amnesty to all of them. And if you get a little border security in

00:31:49.160 the meantime, that's okay. That'll be good. Why is this such poison for the country right now to talk

00:31:55.500 about amnesty? It's not because of, I don't know, racism or this-ism or that-ism or this isn't who we

00:32:05.380 are, all these kind of abstract principles. There's a very basic issue here, which is what binds us

00:32:13.060 together. What binds us together? I was, I was, I had a lovely, truly magnificent weekend. I was down

00:32:21.180 in Florida visiting my grandparents. I was very excited to introduce cute little baby June to his

00:32:27.520 great grandparents. Wanted to make it a priority to now, you know, he's finally smiling a little bit.

00:32:33.020 So took June down to see the great grandparents and the rest of the family. And we were down there,

00:32:39.500 we were seeing my aunts and uncles and we're all sitting around. We've got all sorts of different

00:32:42.380 political points of view. And some of us are very conservative Republicans. Some are liberal

00:32:46.920 Republicans. Some are left of Lenin Democrats, like one of my dear aunties. And we're all talking.

00:32:53.080 And my grandmother had this very astute question. She said, why is it that America can't be like this?

00:32:58.060 Why can't we all get along? Why can't we all have these interesting conversations and start to

00:33:02.780 persuade one another? And why doesn't the country work like this? And the reason of course is that we

00:33:07.360 have very little binding us together. Why does the family work like that? Because we all love each

00:33:12.200 other and we all have a shared experience and a shared history and we're invested in one another's

00:33:17.820 success. And a country can have that, but over time we, we, we've chipped away at these sorts of

00:33:27.000 things. What unites Americans? We don't, we don't have a common race. Some countries are just racial

00:33:33.160 countries, right? You think of Japan, race binds Japan together. America has always had a kind of

00:33:38.860 bit of a mix, obviously dominated by English settlers who came from the Mayflower and then

00:33:44.520 later on, but there were the English and then there were the Dutch in New York. And then there

00:33:48.120 were alliances with the Native Americans. So they weren't part of the same polity, but they did have

00:33:51.940 alliances. Then you had African slaves brought over. Then you had the Irish come. Then you had the

00:33:56.520 Italians come. Then you had Chinese people come. So you've always had this kind of melange of,

00:34:00.940 of races and that has increased over time. So you're not going to have a common race.

00:34:04.900 We did have a common religion in Christianity that went away. We, we don't have a common religion

00:34:10.660 really anymore. And, and the, the common religion in America, the Christian religion was,

00:34:15.320 it was a little strange because there were all these different sects and denominations,

00:34:18.140 but still broadly Christian. We had a common language, which was English. That is dropping by the day.

00:34:22.720 We had a common civic religion, right? That was the next thing that Abraham Lincoln suggested

00:34:27.420 in, in the Lyceum address. He says, we need to have a civic religion.

00:34:30.560 Where we venerate our founding fathers, where we venerate our constitution,

00:34:35.080 our declaration of independence, the men who built this country. That's totally gone. The 1619

00:34:39.700 project takes aim squarely at that idea of the civic religion and blows it to smithereens. And

00:34:44.620 we've now for decades had students in schools taught that our, our founding fathers were actually

00:34:49.060 evil. We're really great, but the founding fathers are evil. And the constitution is a horrible

00:34:54.600 white supremacist document. And the, the declaration of independence just seeks to enshrine the property

00:35:00.640 rights of rich white men, those jerks. And so that civic religion is going, so what binds us together

00:35:05.960 into that totally divided country? You're now going to introduce tens of millions of foreign nationals.

00:35:12.120 That's, that's what's going to bring us together. That's good. That kind of diversity is going to be

00:35:15.860 our strength. That's insane. Unity is strength. Unity is part of the transcendentals, right?

00:35:21.140 That is what binds people together. And so you can have people from different backgrounds,

00:35:25.140 but they have to be unified in some way. What unifies us right now? Until we answer that question,

00:35:30.380 I don't think we should admit another immigrant. It would be bad for them. It would be,

00:35:34.960 it would be bad for the country. I'm being slightly hyperbolic, but not much. This is an existential

00:35:41.100 problem for the country. You've got to figure out what binds you together. And you have forces who are

00:35:46.440 only pushing division. Forces from the left, because it aids their social revolution. And

00:35:52.640 some forces from the right, from the old establishment right, because it serves their

00:35:56.500 economic purposes to keep people sort of divvied up and divided. So that is the old Republican Party

00:36:04.160 of the last, it's not even that old, it's of the last 20, 30 years. That's the Republican Party

00:36:07.900 that's pushing it. We need more amnesty, more immigration, more open trade deals that benefit

00:36:12.920 other countries more than they benefit us. And then you've got the conservative wing,

00:36:17.660 which is represented, wild as it sounds, by Donald Trump, by other people who've come in.

00:36:26.220 Meanwhile, are we, are we at least moving in the right direction on that kind of national unity?

00:36:31.420 No. Maxine Waters, that wonderful unifying figure Maxine Waters is coming at you saying,

00:36:36.560 you know, look, it's not that America was racist, evil, terrible, but now it's gotten a little bit

00:36:44.040 better. Like Tim Scott says, it's not that it was bad in the past, but now it's better.

00:36:49.860 The Republican senator who gave that, that response to the State of the Union. No, no, no. Maxine is

00:36:54.160 saying we're getting more racist every single day. Is America not a racist country? Well, you know,

00:37:01.700 I don't know if he was counseled to say that or whether he really believes that. If he really

00:37:08.980 believes that, then he has missed not only the history of the country, but what is going on

00:37:14.920 right now. As we watched the invasion of the Capitol on January 6th and those people following Trump

00:37:24.620 saying they were taking back their government and they were willing to harm people. As a matter of fact,

00:37:31.040 not only were they willing to harm people, but the Capitol police who happened to be, you know,

00:37:39.380 police of color, African-American, they were calling them names, the N-word. Every day we have seen,

00:37:48.120 you know, this nation get more racist than anybody thought perhaps would be at this point in time.

00:37:55.640 So, first of all, there is no reason to ever take anything that Maxine Waters says seriously.

00:38:01.480 She's a very unintelligent woman who is very clever and shrewd at politics. So I want to give

00:38:06.120 her credit for that. But more than her lack of stuff going on between the ears, she is so cynical.

00:38:13.860 She is, she does not give a wit about the truth. This woman just called for a riot

00:38:18.520 before the George Floyd verdict was given out. She said that if the verdict doesn't go exactly

00:38:24.980 her way, people need to get in the street and get more confrontational. They've already burned the

00:38:28.840 country down for six months. So we got to get more confrontational. What does that mean? Use a

00:38:32.320 detonated nuclear weapon. How can you get more confrontational? This woman was, was defending

00:38:36.920 the violence during the Rodney King riots 30 years ago. Okay. This, this woman is an absolute cancer

00:38:42.220 on American politics and she has the gall. She has the temerity to come out and say the Trumpers,

00:38:48.460 they went into the Capitol and they were screaming the N word. Do you have any evidence of this? Of

00:38:53.580 course not. And they were, there was an insurrection lady. You just called for an insurrection like two

00:39:01.040 weeks ago, but then you didn't need to materialize because you got the verdict that you wanted because

00:39:07.100 you pressured the judiciary, just like the president did. Give me a break. There is a real

00:39:13.080 social incentive here for leftists like Maxine Waters to divide people up and get everyone agitated

00:39:20.800 on race. Do you know what the real racism in this country looks like? Well, there, there is actual

00:39:27.720 legal racism in the form of affirmative action that disadvantages whites and Asians in university

00:39:33.660 policies and advantages black people and Hispanic people and some other groups. So that's legal

00:39:40.920 racism. But do you know what racism as we talk about it looks like in America? It looks like a

00:39:46.500 jeopardy winner having to apologize for showing the number three on camera. That's the, that's the real

00:39:55.560 racism. I'm, I am serious. This really happened. A jeopardy winner, uh, Kelly Donahue just was

00:40:02.780 absolutely eviscerated in social media because he was accused of flashing a white power sign. What

00:40:09.060 was the white power sign? He did the little circle with his index and thumb and then three. What is

00:40:15.040 it? It's the okay symbol. First of all, it's also, it's three. You'd see basketball players flash that

00:40:19.440 when they hit a three pointer, but he apologized. Anyway, he said, I'm truly horrified with what has

00:40:25.700 been posted about me on social media. I absolutely unequivocally condemn white supremacy and racism of any

00:40:30.800 kind. People who know me personally know that I'm not a racist, but for the public at large,

00:40:35.620 it bears repeating, I'm not a racist. I reject whites and condemn white supremacy and all forms

00:40:40.180 of bigotry for the evil they are. It's shameful to me that to think anyone would try to use the

00:40:44.700 stage of jeopardy to advance or promote such a disgusting agenda. Nobody would ever not. It's

00:40:49.060 not even close. There aren't white supremacists. There's like what, like three people that you're

00:40:53.940 thinking. There's a zillion bigots in BLM. There's a zillion bigots in Antifa. There's a zillion

00:40:59.620 bigots in Congress like Maxine Waters. White supremacy, not really a thing, but he goes on.

00:41:05.080 He goes, during the taping of my fourth episode, I was simply raising three fingers to mark my third

00:41:09.420 win. There was nothing more I was trying to indicate. I deeply regret this terrible misunderstanding. Stop

00:41:13.520 it. Please don't stop embarrassing yourself. He goes on. He goes on because he, he buys the lie.

00:41:19.540 He buys the lie that white supremacy is a big, gigantic, horrible epidemic in America.

00:41:24.040 And his symbol, he could really be seriously interpreted as okay symbol or the three symbol.

00:41:29.700 It could really be interpreted to mean white supremacy. And he's got to apologize. I'm sorry.

00:41:34.020 I'm sorry. It's not, it's not about any of that. These people, these race hustlers like Maxine

00:41:39.420 Waters, they're not trying to fight white supremacy. White supremacy is not a thing.

00:41:42.860 They are trying to make, to elicit the very reaction that this poor schlub gave them. They're

00:41:50.500 trying to impose upon you a new understanding of symbols. They're trying to impose upon you a new

00:41:56.420 understanding of language. They're trying to get you to grovel and apologize.

00:41:59.780 This Jeopardy winner who apologized for making the, the three sign for making the okay sign shows you

00:42:11.140 the whole game that the left engages on political correctness, on wokeism. They're, they're the same

00:42:17.700 thing. They're just, it's a new term for the same old thing. Just like political correctness always

00:42:21.860 changes the terms. They've changed the term even for political correctness. The trick of political

00:42:26.860 correctness, which by the way is the subject of my upcoming book, Speechless Controlling Words,

00:42:30.520 Controlling Minds, which is available now for pre-order. You can also get assigned first edition,

00:42:34.060 which, you know, it's just throwing that out there. The, the trick here is that they politicize

00:42:40.580 all of the terms. This was part of the agenda of the early theorists in PC. And then it became

00:42:48.800 explicit in the seventies when, when the second wave feminists said that the personal is the

00:42:53.040 political. So even the way that you wash the dishes, every, even the way you interact in your

00:42:58.400 most intimate relations, that is political in some way. So now what's so brilliant about this,

00:43:05.040 what's so brilliant about say critical theory, which just puts this harshly critical lens on

00:43:09.880 everything is that even if it's ridiculous, even if the idea that the okay sign with the three

00:43:15.920 or the three point sign that that stands for white supremacy, how I have no idea.

00:43:22.340 Even if that's so preposterous when they make that claim, the very fact that they do make that claim

00:43:27.340 and that other people echo that claim means that now this symbol, which nobody has earnestly meant

00:43:33.480 to mean white supremacy. Now it does come to connote that by the sheer will of the leftists who say so.

00:43:41.920 Now we have to think about that. Now, if I make the okay sign, hey, Michael, you want,

00:43:45.340 are you going to come out and have a drink with us later? Sounds great. I make the okay sign.

00:43:50.320 This now could be posted all over the internet. I've done it about a hundred times in the show now,

00:43:55.700 so I'm sure it's already going to be posted on the internet. That can be posted now to say,

00:43:59.680 Michael supports white supremacy. And a bunch of idiots are going to go along with that.

00:44:04.460 And even some conservatives are going to think, well, it's what,

00:44:06.640 it's what the symbol means now. This is why the left is so concerned with appropriating symbols.

00:44:11.360 They appropriated the rainbow for goodness sakes. Leftist homosexuals and

00:44:15.040 transgender people and whatever, you know, leftist sexual revolutionaries have adopted

00:44:20.280 the rainbow flag. I've noticed that my conservative friends who might be a little bit light in the

00:44:25.560 loafers, you know, of, of different sort of sexual persuasions, they don't go around waving

00:44:30.960 the rainbow flag unless they're Donald Trump, which was, I felt that was a mistake on the campaign

00:44:35.920 trail, but they don't, they don't post the rainbow flag in their Twitter bios. They don't embrace that

00:44:40.500 symbol because while the left says that that's a symbol of their sexual identity, they themselves

00:44:44.920 say, no, that's really, that's not it. That's not, that's representing something that I don't want to

00:44:48.420 be a part of. That's representing something even other than sexual desire. It's, it's a political

00:44:53.480 symbol. And the left took this political symbol, the rainbow, the symbol of hope, this beautiful symbol

00:44:58.660 that shows us that God's not going to destroy the world in a flood again. And they say, no, this is

00:45:03.020 ours now. And so now when you see the rainbow, that is what the symbol means. Got to be very careful

00:45:09.420 about that. Not give up the symbols to the left. We need to embrace our symbols. We need to lean in.

00:45:14.420 We need to offer that substantive view of politics. And this is all to justify insane policy. So I'll

00:45:20.400 give you, to me, one of the craziest examples of politically correct redefinition in the last few

00:45:25.040 years is they redefined criminal or convict to be justice involved person. Yes, justice involved person,

00:45:34.920 which is ironic because criminals are injustice involved people, right? They're not involved in

00:45:40.640 justice. They're involved in injustice. But why? Because justice involved person, that sounds okay.

00:45:45.220 That sounds nice. It makes them sort of passive figures. California is now planning to increase

00:45:51.700 the rate of early release for 76,000 inmates, including about 60,000, 63,000 people who were convicted of

00:45:58.840 violent crimes, including about 20,000 people who were sentenced to life in prison with the

00:46:04.660 possibility of parole. So people who did really, really bad stuff, they are now going to see their

00:46:10.320 ability, their chances at early release increased tremendously. Why? Because it's, if you take the

00:46:18.220 leftist view of criminal justice, it's not their fault that they went to prison. It's not their fault

00:46:23.700 that they committed their crimes. It's our fault. It's society's fault. They're just passive people.

00:46:27.320 And actually, you know, on the racial politics side, black people are overrepresented in prison

00:46:34.200 among the convicted criminal population. So that's evidence of racism. So you got to let them out,

00:46:39.120 even if they committed horrible crimes. Plenty of people. It's awful. It's racism. It's bigotry.

00:46:44.460 So you let people out or you let them off the hook. And then what happens? They go commit more crimes.

00:46:48.980 Illegal alien, Jesus Leal Corona is a 49 year old illegal. He pled guilty to second degree vehicular

00:46:56.500 homicide. He killed a 24 year old guy because he was drunk driving. And then he hit this guy.

00:47:03.940 This guy had a record. This guy, Jesus had been arrested in Texas and New Jersey,

00:47:10.880 but he was never deported. The guy should have been deported the first time a cop saw him.

00:47:16.120 He's here illegally. He's violating the law. But no, because it's not his fault that he came here

00:47:21.520 illegally. It's society's fault. It's our fault that we had borders in the first place. We should

00:47:25.020 have just invited him in. We take in what? Two million people, more than two million people a

00:47:28.700 year. It should be, it should be four million. It should be seven million. We should take everybody

00:47:31.680 in. What's the effect of that? Well, this poor 24 year old gets killed. If Jesus had been deported

00:47:36.960 like he should have been, that 24 year old would be alive today because the guy who killed him

00:47:41.360 wouldn't be here. But no, he's not going to be deported now. He's going to get about five years in

00:47:47.500 prison. He'll probably be released early after three years and he'll go right back out, be just fine

00:47:52.360 because of sanctuary policies. Sanctuary, sanctuary for whom? I think that the left understands that

00:48:02.180 that's not popular. They know that that immigration is a big loser issue for them. It is. Majority of

00:48:08.600 people in this country, according to multiple polls, want to reduce not just illegal, but legal

00:48:13.280 immigration too. That includes a lot of Democrats. That includes a lot of independents. They want to

00:48:17.580 drastically reduce it. According to one Harvard Harris poll, they want to bring it down by 50%

00:48:21.420 at least. Legal immigration too. So why does the left push for this? Because while James Carville

00:48:28.980 is right, this might hurt them in the short term. They might lose an election or two. Although frankly,

00:48:33.640 if they change all the election laws and they federalize congressional campaigns, they're going

00:48:38.620 to have a distinct advantage now put into the law. But even if they lose a campaign here or campaign

00:48:43.740 there, they go a little too far here or there. In the long run, they will have positions of power.

00:48:48.700 They will have an electoral advantage, not six months or a year down the line, but 10 years down

00:48:55.120 the line, 20 years down the line. That's going to give them the long game. So how do we push back

00:49:01.420 against this? We've got to get much more serious on the electoral front, on wielding power when we've

00:49:05.900 got it, but also on these corporations. We might not want to reward a corporation or punish a corporation

00:49:10.760 or, or make everything so political. But if we want to push back against what the left has done

00:49:15.280 so successfully, that's the only way that we are going to do it. Can't wait to log into my base camp

00:49:20.960 right after we end the show. I'm Michael Knowles with the Michael Knowles Show. I'll see you tomorrow.

00:49:23.740 We'll see you tomorrow.

00:49:53.720 A real concerted effort to push back against critical race theory in schools is finally underway.

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Ep. 755 - Wokesters of the World, Unite!

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