The Michael Knowles Show - May 06, 2021


Ep. 758 - Mobocracy


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A man pulled a gun on a group of armed Black Lives Matter activists at a Kentucky restaurant, and it worked out fine. But we have to really start taking this issue of justice much more seriously, folks. Today's guest is Michael Knowles.

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00:00:00.000 A really disturbing video has come out of Kentucky. A man was at a restaurant. He was shown
00:00:08.460 pulling a gun on a group of armed BLM activists. You can see them there.
00:00:18.840 Mostly white, you'll notice, of the BLM activists. But they're there. They're
00:00:22.200 around his table screaming, yelling at him. It's hard to hear what he's... He's just standing there.
00:00:29.420 He's got the gun. Nice pressed blue shirt. Nice chinos. Standing very calmly, saying,
00:00:38.260 get out of here. Lots of F-bombs going around. Really, really disturbing. I can't tell you how
00:00:46.620 disturbed I am watching this. Because that guy should have a way bigger gun. That gun is not
00:00:52.100 big enough to take on an entire armed mob. I mean, I'm glad it worked out. Everyone left who was
00:00:57.880 peaceful. But we've got to really start taking this issue of justice much more seriously, folks.
00:01:04.040 I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.
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00:01:40.440 themselves and stuff. By that logic, they are definitely going to wind up at Coachella like a
00:01:46.480 bunch of, I don't know, 18-year-old kids. They're in their 60s and 50s, but behaving like little
00:01:53.560 children, our whole society is, which is why our society is dying. We'll get to that a little bit
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00:03:10.900 So you've got the BLM mob disturbing this poor man's dinner on Derby Day in Kentucky. And that 0.99
00:03:17.120 man, like a total, total gentleman, like a total American, he stands up, doesn't even wrinkle his
00:03:22.720 shirt, hope his dinner didn't get too cold, pulls out what looks to be a Derringer or some really,
00:03:28.880 really small gun and just says, not today, guys. Sorry. You think you can come here with an armed mob
00:03:35.360 and push me around, but that's not going to happen. This is America. You're going to show up
00:03:41.360 with your arms. I'm going to pull out my arms and you're going to go away. And that's exactly,
00:03:46.440 exactly what happened. But BLM believes that it can subvert our justice system all around the 0.68
00:03:52.440 country, notably in the case of the George Floyd trial, the Derek Chauvin trial into the death of
00:03:58.880 George Floyd. There was a juror. We were told the jurors are not being influenced at all by,
00:04:05.400 you know, the most important news story in the country that led to the burning of multiple cities.
00:04:09.200 No, they weren't influenced at all. They don't have any opinions on this very contentious topic.
00:04:13.840 They're totally objective and disinterested, right? Except there's a photo that just came out of one of
00:04:21.800 the jurors wearing a BLM shirt that says, get your knee off our necks. So it's referring directly to
00:04:30.220 the Derek Chauvin incident with George Floyd. The photo was posted in August by this juror's uncle.
00:04:37.020 It was taken in Washington DC at an event commemorating Martin Luther King. In many ways, quite ironic.
00:04:47.140 You got to throw this trial out. It's ridiculous. Derek Chauvin should not spend
00:04:51.600 one more second in prison. At so many stages of this process, there has been a lot of evidence to
00:05:04.060 say, this is not fair. This is not going to be justice. Maxine Waters threatening to start riots 0.99
00:05:08.760 if they don't get the ridiculous charges that they wanted. The president of the United States putting
00:05:13.820 his thumb on the scales. And now we find out that the jury was rigged. That the juror who went in and
00:05:19.360 said, I have no dog in this fight. I don't have any opinions. I'm totally impartial. Turns out he's
00:05:24.040 a member of BLM. Throw it out, throw out the trial. But Michael, what if Derek Chauvin did something
00:05:29.260 wrong? What if he did? Isn't, isn't the whole argument for among the criminal justice reformers
00:05:34.580 that it would be better to let 10 guilty men go free than to have one innocent man in prison that we
00:05:40.180 need to, we need to err on the side of leniency. Well, I'm not even saying err on the side of leniency.
00:05:44.340 I'm just saying that people are entitled to due process. And if the due process is not being
00:05:48.800 recognized, then, then you cannot keep the guy in prison. You're probably not going to hear about
00:05:54.620 that, that juror, unless you're listening to this show. Maybe if you're reading a handful of
00:05:59.840 conservative outlets, maybe you'll hear about it, but maybe you won't. Why not? Because the systems of
00:06:06.700 justice and communication in this country, more importantly, communication probably are rigged
00:06:12.860 for the libs. Did you see there was a story yesterday out that a girl who cheated at a 1.00
00:06:19.220 homecoming queen election is going to face jail time. But those two girls who carjacked that poor 1.00
00:06:27.080 Pakistani guy and killed him the other day, they're never going to see the inside of a jail cell. 1.00
00:06:30.660 You remember that story? We covered it on this show too. Why? Because the systems of justice and
00:06:39.780 the dominant narrative in this country are rigged in the liberal direction. And I'm not just talking
00:06:46.180 about CNN. We'll get to CNN later. I'm not just talking about the mainstream media. I'm talking
00:06:51.380 about the new media too. I'm talking about the internet. I'm talking about the whole thing.
00:06:58.520 Facebook, I felt crossed the Rubicon during the January 6th insurrection, the worst attack ever in
00:07:08.000 the history of our country. So much worse for those three hours of the horn guy jumping on the desk
00:07:14.260 than when BLM burned the country down for eight months. No, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying it
00:07:18.860 was much worse. Hey, Facebook censors, YouTube censors, I'm agreeing with you here. I'm saying
00:07:25.780 that some lunatic guy in a horn hat making a nuisance of himself in the Capitol, I'm saying that's much,
00:07:34.400 much worse than when BLM killed people and looted and burned down the country for six months. We're
00:07:39.040 agreeing. We have to agree because if we don't agree, you're going to take me off of the internet.
00:07:44.440 And because the internet is the public square and a handful of oligarchs control the whole thing. 1.00
00:07:50.380 So yeah, good. We're agreeing, right? If only President Trump had agreed,
00:07:54.320 he wouldn't have been suspended. That was Facebook crossing the Rubicon to suspend,
00:08:00.040 no matter what you think about the 2020 election. At the time, Donald Trump was the duly elected
00:08:05.160 sitting president of the United States and some nerd in Silicon Valley censored him.
00:08:10.160 Well, Michael, you're entitled to freedom of speech, not freedom of reach. Build your own Facebook,
00:08:15.180 build your own public square in our republic, build your own 90% plus of communication in this
00:08:25.660 country, which is dominated by Google, Facebook, and Twitter. You're not going to do that. That's
00:08:31.680 not possible. And they decided that they were going to control the political process. If you
00:08:37.760 are not permitted on social media, you are not a viable political candidate. Simple as that.
00:08:42.660 Even if you're Donald Trump, even if you're, you're already the president, you're one of the most famous
00:08:46.800 guys in the country, in the world, you still are going to have a big, big problem. Since Trump left
00:08:52.660 office, we haven't really heard that much from him. And it's not because he hasn't sent out notes. He
00:08:57.240 has, but it's because these oligarchs control communication and they're not letting him speak. 0.98
00:09:02.900 And yesterday, the Facebook oversight board, the relatively independent body, it's, it's independent
00:09:12.020 as a matter of corporate structure, but as a matter of politics, it's far left wing. The Facebook
00:09:16.980 oversight board decided to uphold the Trump ban on Facebook. Google and Twitter don't have similar
00:09:25.460 oversight boards. So they're just going to keep it going indefinitely. Now, what the Facebook
00:09:29.840 oversight board said was at the time that Zuckerberg decided to suspend the duly elected sitting
00:09:35.720 president, that was totally right because, you know, Trump could have incited violence.
00:09:40.200 Maxine Waters, still on Facebook. Kamala Harris, still on Facebook. The logic of the Facebook
00:09:47.800 oversight board completely collapsing. But they say it was totally justified then. However,
00:09:54.360 the oversight board did not want to make a final decision. They said, look, you, Facebook, you've
00:09:58.580 got to decide what's going to happen to Trump's account in the long run. And we're going to give
00:10:02.300 you six months to do that, but we don't want to make that final decision. Now, do you see what's
00:10:05.660 happening here? I don't want to just slam Zuckerberg. I don't want to just slam the Facebook
00:10:09.640 oversight board because what they're dealing with is a perennial political problem. Namely,
00:10:15.100 no one wants to take ultimate responsibility. They want to wield power. They want things to go
00:10:20.160 their way, but they don't want to have the accountability for that. A very popular word
00:10:25.040 these days, accountability. So what does Zuckerberg say? He says, no, no, it's not me. I've got an
00:10:28.760 independent board. What does the independent board say? Oh, no, no, it's not us. We've got to kick this
00:10:32.720 back to the executives and they're just going to keep kicking it back and forth. So no one has to make a
00:10:36.920 decision and everyone can maintain the status quo, which is in their favor.
00:10:42.100 This is why we need to weigh in. Charlie Kirk came out. He sent out a tweet that he got
00:10:50.180 dragged for. Oh my gosh, everyone dunking on Charlie. Here's what he said. The US Supreme
00:10:55.800 Court should overturn the Facebook oversight board's ruling, which upholds outlawing the 45th
00:11:02.460 president of the United States from social media. This is big tech corporate oligarchy without
00:11:06.100 standing. It's gone too far enough is enough. People dragging Charlie for this. Charlie, you
00:11:10.320 idiot. You, what, you think that the court can overrule the Facebook board? They're totally
00:11:16.160 different things. You can't appeal the Facebook board ruling to the Supreme Court. What is Charlie
00:11:22.040 saying here? We'll go word by word. What does he say? The, the court, the US Supreme Court should
00:11:28.220 overturn the oversight board's ruling. He puts ruling in quotes because he's, he's saying it's not an
00:11:33.360 actual judicial ruling. Therefore we, through the political process should restrain this allegedly
00:11:41.480 private company, which controls a huge proportion of our communications from dominating our politics.
00:11:48.820 Of course that's true. What Charlie said is absolutely right. And the conservatives have not
00:11:56.520 understood this because conservatives have spent the last two decades shilling for corporations
00:12:00.320 and pretending that there is this perfectly neat and tidy distinction between private and public
00:12:05.920 between the private company, Builder on Twitter and the public. That's the government, government bad,
00:12:10.540 never good to use politics. Even when the people give us political power, we should never influence
00:12:14.180 politics or wield it in any way. Well, that, that neat and tidy distinction falls apart when Facebook is
00:12:20.620 dominating the politics. Complete. We talked about this yesterday. This neat and tidy distinction
00:12:26.580 between private and public falls apart. If in our private lives, we decide to engage in all manner
00:12:32.940 of vice and, and sin, and we destroy our families and we abuse our communities. Well, that has public
00:12:40.780 effects. Just like conservatives like to have this neat and tidy distinction between culture and politics.
00:12:47.060 It goes so far as it goes, but while culture influences politics, politics also influences culture.
00:12:53.040 While the movies change our perception of our country, the political structure changes our
00:12:58.060 perception. The, the political institutions rather change our perception of the culture.
00:13:02.680 Just look at East Germany. The reason that East Germany is atheist today and West Germany is religious 0.96
00:13:06.880 is not because of regional variations and bratwurst. It's because of the political systems that were
00:13:11.420 there for the duration of the cold war. What is Charlie saying? What are, what are all sensible
00:13:17.020 conservatives saying? They're saying, Hey, court, Hey, legislature, Hey, department of justice,
00:13:22.020 Hey, any of our systems of, of government in this country that we are in, we, the people are
00:13:28.360 empowering. Fine. Yeah, we are. We're acting together in politics. You've got to rein in these
00:13:33.600 handful of oligarchs that are controlling our political process. An urgent, deeply conservative
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00:14:46.340 city hyphen journal.org slash giveaway. Senator Cruz pointed out the danger of this corporate
00:14:55.100 oligarchy controlling our politics. While Charlie Kirk was talking to the conservatives, Senator Cruz was 1.00
00:15:05.900 trying to talk to the center and to the left. He said, for every liberal celebrating Trump's social
00:15:11.980 media ban, if the big tech oligarchs can muzzle the former president, what's to stop them from silencing
00:15:18.060 you? Now, I think this is a good pitch, but we have to be more specific, which is Senator Cruz says,
00:15:29.440 for all the liberals, what do you think when they come for you? The thing is though, I don't think
00:15:34.500 that big tech is going to come for the liberals. I don't think that big tech is going to come for
00:15:40.340 many of the wokesters who are just the pawns of the liberal establishment. BLM, Antifa, they're just 0.87
00:15:46.220 the puppets of the liberal establishment. I don't think that big tech is going to come for them.
00:15:50.940 I think big tech is going to come for any heterodox thinker. And that's really what Senator Cruz
00:15:56.320 is getting at here. Saying, hey, all you people who think you're so open-minded, you're so out of
00:16:01.420 the box, you question authority, which is what all these people think they are.
00:16:08.940 What happens when you really question authority? What happens when you really start to contradict
00:16:16.160 the dominant liberal regime? You think that the enforcement arm, the communications, propaganda
00:16:24.280 enforcement arm of that regime is going to take kindly to you? No, they're going to treat you just
00:16:29.240 like they treated Donald Trump or Alex Jones or whoever, any of the other conservatives who have
00:16:35.800 thought outside the box and been banned. This should give serious pause to people who have
00:16:42.340 heterodox thoughts. And it should remind leftists from the most buttoned up liberal, works at Goldman
00:16:50.660 Sachs and goes to fancy parties all the way down to the street rioter for BLM or Antifa.
00:16:59.400 Why is the regime so nice to you? Why? Why do corporate, the people on the street
00:17:05.980 go in, break glass and steal Nike sneakers from the Nike store. And yet Nike supports them.
00:17:13.340 Nike makes one of the faces of BLM, their corporate spokesman. Nike makes woke commercials. Nike
00:17:18.460 cancel sneakers that have the American flag on it. Even the Betsy Ross flag because of its commitment
00:17:24.380 to BLM. Why? It doesn't make sense, does it? Why on earth does this regime seem so gung-ho on
00:17:33.500 supporting the people who are allegedly rebelling against it? Because they're not rebelling against it.
00:17:37.700 Because this social upheaval, this radical individualism, this breaking down of the
00:17:45.300 intermediating institutions in the United States serves that dominant regime.
00:17:54.720 You see this when the parties come and go. You saw this with Bush one, Clinton, Bush two,
00:18:00.240 Obama. The parties come and go and there are some differences in policy here and there. But what do
00:18:03.860 we always see? We always see much more global trade. We see much more outsourcing, therefore,
00:18:10.340 of our political rights to super and international institutions that control those global trade
00:18:18.340 arrangements. We see much more immigration. We see a weakening of national borders.
00:18:24.140 We see an erosion of our political rights, which we once had being sent off to bureaucrats and
00:18:29.200 technocrats and eggheads. That is the process. And so you've got the Democratic Party, which is the
00:18:38.700 major party in the country. And then you've got these kind of court jester conservative types who
00:18:42.700 basically go along with that. And they quibble here and there. And they argue over which Middle
00:18:47.960 Eastern country to bomb. You know, the Republicans want to bomb Iraq and the Democrats want to bomb
00:18:53.540 Afghanistan. And so they make a compromise and they bomb both. But in terms of actual 0.99
00:18:59.120 challenge to authority, you just don't see it. You just don't see it. And when you do see it,
00:19:05.080 you get banned from social media. Senator Cruz, one of the few, you know,
00:19:10.220 you really got to give the guy credit. I don't just say this because we're friends and because
00:19:14.140 we host a podcast together. He is one of the few conservatives who is willing to talk back,
00:19:20.420 who's willing to stand up. He's been doing this since he entered the Senate and
00:19:23.400 actually before he entered the Senate, which is why Lindsey Graham famously said,
00:19:29.220 if you murdered Ted Cruz and held the trial in the US Senate, no one would vote to convict.
00:19:33.740 What he was saying there is Cruz doesn't get along with all these people who are part of the swamp.
00:19:38.640 This is why Cruz and McConnell have butted heads so many times. And the swamp has a lot of power,
00:19:45.700 which brings us to our friend Liz Cheney. Liz Cheney, the embattled House Republican 1.00
00:19:53.320 conference leader. So she's in Republican leadership. She's at the lowest rung of it,
00:19:57.100 but she's still in the leadership of the party in the house. And they tried to boot her a little 0.99
00:20:02.760 while ago and they held a secret vote. So they kept her in power, but she just keeps attacking 0.99
00:20:07.500 Trump and she keeps shilling for the left and more importantly, shilling for the liberal
00:20:11.540 establishment. And so now it looks like she's about to get the boot at the end of the month. 1.00
00:20:15.420 Liz Cheney firing one last shot across the bow, one last chance to, to make her point in the 0.99
00:20:24.240 Washington Post, of course, in a very left-wing newspaper. The GOP is at a turning point.
00:20:29.800 History is watching us. Republicans must decide whether we are going to choose truth
00:20:34.880 and fidelity to the constitution. In the immediate wake of the violence of January 6th,
00:20:40.120 almost all of us knew the gravity and the cause of what had happened. We witnessed it firsthand.
00:20:44.540 And I'm talking about how Trump is so awful, you know, the worst thing ever and how, you know,
00:20:50.460 in the old days, the Republican party was great, but here democracy is at stake.
00:20:56.240 And then this is the one that really got me. This is the line that really got me.
00:21:00.020 We must support a parallel bipartisan review by a commission with subpoena power to seek facts
00:21:04.860 and find facts to describe to Americans what happened on January 6th. We should appoint former
00:21:10.560 officials, members of the judiciary and other prominent Americans who can be objective
00:21:13.860 just as we did after the attacks of September 11th. So comparing the horn guy jumping on the desk at
00:21:19.460 the Capitol to September 11th. Don't forget, we were told in the days just following the Capitol
00:21:27.360 riot that, that officers were murdered by the violent Trump supporters and people threw,
00:21:35.780 Officer Sicknick murdered. They threw a fire extinguisher at his head and killed him.
00:21:40.240 Then it turned out that wasn't true. And now even the mainstream media, even the WAPO and the New
00:21:44.020 York Times will admit that wasn't true. He actually died. Very sadly, he seems like a patriotic good
00:21:49.600 American. He died the following day or within the next couple of days of a stroke because he had
00:21:56.300 preexisting health problems. It was not related to the violence of that day. Actually, the only person
00:22:00.580 who was killed on that day in an act of actual political violence was Ashley Babbitt, who was the
00:22:09.160 Trump supporter who was, was in there. And I'm not even saying that the officers had no right to defend
00:22:14.040 the Capitol, but I'm just saying, if you're talking about the real violence of that day, it was only in
00:22:18.100 one direction. It was against the Trump supporters. And then here's the kicker. The commission should be
00:22:24.860 focused on the January 6th attacks. The Black Lives Matter and Antifa violence of last summer
00:22:29.900 was illegal and reprehensible, but it was a different problem with a different solution.
00:22:34.840 Okay, whatever. BLM torches the country for six to eight months, burns down private businesses,
00:22:41.820 private homes, government, government buildings too, or the seats of temples of our democracy.
00:22:47.540 Oh, that's another problem for another day. It's not, it's not as, it's not as urgent. It's not,
00:22:51.800 but the horn guy jumped around the Capitol that requires the 9-11 commission because that was,
00:22:57.200 that was just as bad as 9-11, right? No. So that woman, she's just so deeply misguided and her 1.00
00:23:05.440 instinct is always to punch right. And her instinct is always to, to turn against her constituents and
00:23:11.840 her base. And her instinct is always to shill for the liberal establishment. So it's just,
00:23:16.060 she has no business in leadership. And yet, and yet the Republican, the Republicans can't win for 0.99
00:23:25.440 losing, man. The Republicans decide they are going to replace her with a more liberal Republican. 0.97
00:23:34.460 What? The House GOP, they come out, they say, you know, Liz Cheney, she is liberal and relatively 0.98
00:23:43.020 liberal and she's disloyal. Yeah, you're right. I agree with that. And we need to replace her in 1.00
00:23:48.920 leadership. Totally. I absolutely agree with that. With a more liberal Republican. Yes. Wait,
00:23:55.000 hold on. What? What was that? Right now, the name being floated to replace Liz Cheney
00:23:59.880 is Elise Stefanik. I actually, I don't, I don't know if it's Stefanik or Stefanik. I'm going to go with
00:24:06.040 Stefanik. She's not a very prominent member of the House right now. And I don't think she should be 0.99
00:24:11.020 because she is one of, if not the most liberal Republican member in the House.
00:24:19.660 What are you doing? We've been talking for weeks, more than weeks at this point about how
00:24:25.280 the Republican Party and even the conservative movement, they've always had different elements.
00:24:29.780 They've had the traditional conservatives and the libertarians and the war hawk, you call them the
00:24:33.720 neocons and some populists and this and that, this and that. And the libertarians, they get to lead a lot
00:24:39.640 of the time. And the neocons, the war people, they get to lead a lot of the time. But the traditional
00:24:44.680 conservatives, they always go along with the other constituent parts, but they never seem to lead.
00:24:50.640 They never seem to get any headway. So this time I was thinking, good, we're going to boot Liz Cheney. 1.00
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00:27:39.940 The Republicans in the House are poised to replace Liz Cheney, who has been disloyal to the party at
00:27:48.420 crucial moments, who has shilled and used left-wing talking points at crucial moments. I agree she 0.90
00:27:53.620 should be replaced. They're going to replace her with a much more liberal Republican. 1.00
00:28:01.980 Why? Why? I have to, is it because they think, well, we have to replace her with a woman? 0.98
00:28:08.420 It's at least they're replacing Liz Cheney with Elise Stefanik. 1.00
00:28:11.380 Do you think that identity politics never entered the minds of people who are pushing this? I bet,
00:28:17.260 I bet they did. We have to. Oh, it's just good. And we have to, she can't be too conservative.
00:28:21.760 We need to maintain the balance and that it's better and we'll appeal and the pollsters and the
00:28:26.740 focus groups and goodness gracious me. Some people have pushed back. They've said, well,
00:28:33.660 at least Elise Stefanik was more loyal to Trump. First of all, sort of. Yeah. In recent days,
00:28:40.160 she's been more loyal to Trump, but in the early days, she was actually quite anti-Trump.
00:28:45.780 So I'm not convinced. She seems to me a little bit of a Johnny come lately in that regard, but
00:28:49.400 I'm not even totally interested in loyal to Trump or not loyal to Trump. I am interested
00:28:53.500 certainly in loyal to the people doing the tough work, people who are showing courage. So in that,
00:29:00.640 in that case, Trump certainly counts. I'm interested in people who are loyal to the Republican
00:29:05.880 voters and to conservatives. Sure. What has Elise Stefanik done to show that she's loyal to
00:29:13.760 Republican voters? She's pro-life. That's good. But she said that Republicans need to take a more
00:29:18.580 understanding tone on abortion, a more compassionate tone on abortion. A more compassionate tone on
00:29:26.200 abortion is abortion should be totally illegal. That's compassionate. Saying that we ought to be 1.00
00:29:31.620 able to kill babies in some circumstances is less compassionate. I don't think that's what she
00:29:36.760 meant though. I think she meant we need to go a little squishy on abortion. Well, that's no good.
00:29:40.520 She criticized Trump for pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord. She criticized Trump's immigration
00:29:44.800 policies early on. She was very happy when Trump went soft on his immigration policies.
00:29:50.620 She, oh yes, she voted for the Equality Act. She voted for maybe the most radical piece of
00:29:57.180 legislation that's ever gone through the House. She voted for the law that would redefine sex itself 1.00
00:30:04.840 and totally blur the distinction between men and women.
00:30:10.460 So I don't, she was one of very few Republicans who voted for that. To me, that is in itself
00:30:15.200 totally disqualifying. Now you might say, Michael, she voted for it in 2019, but then she voted against
00:30:20.820 it in 2020. Oh good. That makes me feel better. She, she has no principles whatsoever. And when 0.97
00:30:28.340 she thinks it's advantageous to her, she goes along with the most radical legislation ever. But then she
00:30:34.200 got a little blowback for it. So then she flips again. I'm glad she flipped, I guess, but by the way,
00:30:39.720 she flipped when it didn't really matter. That that's the woman that we're going to replace Liz Cheney 1.00
00:30:46.280 with. Give me a break guys. The only thing, the only thing that makes me not totally despondent
00:30:54.780 here with the idea that you're going to put this very liberal Republican up in place of Liz Cheney
00:30:59.640 is that Jake Tapper doesn't like her. That's the one thing. That's the one thing I can hang my hat on
00:31:04.240 and say, well, at least if Jake Tapper doesn't like her, she can't be all that bad. Former president
00:31:08.720 Trump is officially endorsing New York Congresswoman Elise Stefanik to replace Wyoming Congresswoman Liz
00:31:15.180 Cheney as a member of House Republican leadership. Cheney essentially is being purged because she 1.00
00:31:20.880 refused to lie about the 2020 election and the January 6th insurrection. Stefanik, on the other
00:31:25.980 hand, is a fierce Trump loyalist. She not only has been willing to spread the big lie, she voted to
00:31:30.940 disenfranchise nearly 7 million Pennsylvanians after the insurrection based on those lies.
00:31:37.260 The big lie. It's the big lie. You know, the big lie. Liz Cheney talks about the big lie
00:31:43.200 and all the Democrats talk about the big lie. What's the big lie?
00:31:50.000 Well, the big lie is a phrase that the left has used to attack Donald Trump and compare him to
00:31:56.660 Hitler because Hitler coined the term the big lie in Mein Kampf. However, because the libs know just 0.80
00:32:04.280 like a very little bit about history, but they don't know. I'm not even saying I know a ton about
00:32:08.120 history. I know just like a little tiny sliver more than they do. You know, like I actually have
00:32:12.440 read a book or two. I haven't even read like three books. I'm just saying it's like one or two. That's
00:32:16.920 all you need to know to realize that in the libs analogy here, they are making themselves out to be
00:32:24.520 the Nazis. Because when, when Hitler used the phrase, the big lie in Mein Kampf, he was not referring
00:32:30.140 to his own strategy to take over the culture. He was actually accusing the Jews of propagating a big
00:32:36.780 lie by blaming the German loss in World War I on the German general, Erich Ludendorff. So they don't,
00:32:45.520 they're not even aware that when they use this phrase, they are casting themselves in the position
00:32:49.840 of Hitler or the Nazis. But what's the big lie? You heard Jake Tapper say, he said, she, this,
00:32:55.140 at least Stefanik, she suggested disenfranchising Pennsylvanians who were participating in a totally
00:33:03.040 above board election. And there was nothing questionable about that at all. Regardless
00:33:07.800 of what you think about the 2020 election. I know I've got to be very careful here. No one can ever
00:33:12.040 question any aspect of the election. I'm just making the incontrovertible observation that the Supreme
00:33:18.440 Court of Pennsylvania, well, forget the Supreme Court for a second, because the Supreme Court
00:33:22.600 actually had some political problems. The Constitution of Pennsylvania prohibits no-excuse
00:33:30.400 mail-in ballots, prohibits the widespread use of the mail-ins that typified that election.
00:33:38.660 That was not just illegal. It was unconstitutional there. So if Stefanik is going to point that out,
00:33:45.280 that's good. It's a good thing. I'm starting to like her a little bit more as a leader of the
00:33:52.580 Republican Party. Still not willing to elevate someone who has a very, very liberal record
00:33:56.660 to leadership again in the Republican Party. It's just the same, same verse, same as the first.
00:34:05.100 But what, what Tapper is calling out here is preposterous. Now, is anyone allowed to make that
00:34:11.380 point? If, does Jake Tapper invite me on his show? No, he never has. I'm not complaining about it.
00:34:15.720 I'm not, not saying I'm totally interested in spending my time on CNN, but I suppose I would
00:34:20.800 go on because the thing is I watched CNN clips and I noticed they never seem to have any actual
00:34:27.780 conservatives. This is very strange because Jake Tapper right now is threatening not to allow
00:34:35.280 Republicans on his show anymore. He made this, he made this threat yesterday on CNN. He said,
00:34:40.420 you know, I, I don't, if, if they keep up like this, I'm not going to have Republicans on anymore.
00:34:45.720 I don't think it's healthy for the country to only have a debate between the left and the far left.
00:34:51.220 We need a thriving Republican Party. We need an argument, a counter argument. No, I think,
00:34:56.840 this is not me, but we need a Republican Party saying, no, I think that $6 trillion in new spending
00:35:02.360 is a bad idea. And here's, here's why. No, I think that subsidized daycare, uh, is the wrong
00:35:09.280 way to go for our culture. And here's why these are not, again, my arguments. These are arguments
00:35:14.000 that conservatives would make. Okay, great. We need those debates having happening, but we can't
00:35:19.740 have those debates. If one side of the argument is not willing to stick to standards and facts
00:35:27.320 for, for a whole host of reasons. One of them is how am I supposed to believe anything they say?
00:35:33.560 If they're willing to lie about Joe Biden, wanting to steal your hamburgers and QAnon and the big lie 0.93
00:35:40.040 about the election, what are they not willing to lie about? Why should I put any of them on TV?
00:35:44.900 The big lie, the big lie, the big lie. Notice what Jake Tapper says here. He says, look,
00:35:50.620 we need a Republican Party to argue over spending. Look, we need a Republican Party to argue over the
00:35:56.620 implementation of various welfare programs. He doesn't say we need a Republican Party to
00:36:02.820 advocate for drastically reduced immigration. Well, that would be beyond the pale. That would be beyond
00:36:08.040 Jake's standards. He doesn't say we need a Republican Party to argue that Christianity
00:36:13.740 is the basis of our country going, going back to the Mayflower and that obviously this country was
00:36:19.400 shaped from Christianity, from the West broadly, and from an Anglo political tradition. You're not 0.84
00:36:25.460 allowed, remember, you're not allowed to use that phrase anymore. No, he wouldn't. That would be so
00:36:29.300 beyond the pale. We just need good little Republicans to come on the show and kind of argue about, 0.99
00:36:35.380 oh, you're spending a little too much money and we should actually, we should, our taxes should be a
00:36:39.420 little bit different than that. But, but we don't need a Republican Party to actually challenge the 0.96
00:36:44.160 liberal establishment. We won't permit that. When Jake Tapper said he's not going to have any,
00:36:48.420 any Republicans on his show, I thought, okay, what's changing? When was the last time you saw a
00:36:56.540 conservative, an actual conservative? I'm not, I'm not just taking pot shots and saying, you're,
00:37:03.260 everyone to the left of me is a rhino or I'm not, I'm not, I'm actually, I'm just saying there are,
00:37:08.520 there are Republicans who have a conservative vision of the world who begin with different
00:37:14.640 philosophical premises than liberals. And there are many Republicans who share the exact same
00:37:19.700 philosophical premises as liberals. And basically the same progressive understanding of history and
00:37:25.720 politics, they just kind of quibble over the details. And CNN does a great job of having
00:37:30.460 liberals come on, liberal Republicans or liberal conservatives, right? People who, you know,
00:37:38.000 they want to conserve, they want to go a little bit slower. They don't want to go quite as fast down
00:37:41.040 the road of progress, but they still share the progressive view, but they do a very poor job with
00:37:44.420 very few exceptions. They do a very poor job of having actual conservatives on. So what's going to
00:37:51.720 change? Nothing's going to change because listen to what Jake Tapper said there. He said,
00:37:54.700 we, we can't even agree on the facts. Well, yeah, right. Because CNN is a propaganda outlet for the
00:38:00.740 left. And so they'll push a lot of lies like the Russia hoax and myriad other hoaxes. And sure,
00:38:06.560 some Republicans go on and they have their spin doctors too. And okay, that's fine. But that's not
00:38:10.580 really the issue. The issue, Jake admits it. The issue is standards. Standards. Ah, there it is.
00:38:18.320 The left has a vision of standards in this country. Facebook is going to enforce certain standards,
00:38:26.580 Google and Twitter. And if you contradict those standards, even if you're the duly elected sitting
00:38:30.780 president of the United States, you're out. And conservatives heretofore for the, for the past 20
00:38:36.240 years or so have argued that we should have no standards whatsoever. They've actually adopted the
00:38:42.260 left's arguments from the 1960s that we need, we need for total free speech, man, total free love,
00:38:47.280 total, you do you, if it feels good, do it, right? We've just adopted all the radical left's premises
00:38:52.100 from 50, 60 years ago. And now we're shocked to find out that society doesn't really work that way,
00:38:58.100 that society always has standards, that society always has guard reels, that society always
00:39:01.740 recognizes that some things cannot be done and cannot be said. And that's been true going back
00:39:05.860 to the earliest days of America. It's been true everywhere on earth.
00:39:08.280 I explained this process in my upcoming book, Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling
00:39:13.220 Minds, available now for pre-order, as you might remember. You can also get an autographed first
00:39:16.900 edition copy at Premier Collectibles. That is simply the case. And if conservatives, I hate to
00:39:24.760 argue that conservatives should listen to CNN every so often, very, you know, in very small doses,
00:39:32.280 and then, you know, turn it off to preserve your sanity. But you, you really should consider
00:39:36.620 not just listening to CNN, but reading the radical leftists who created this dominant regime that
00:39:43.460 we're living in. Actually, if you want, you can just read it in my upcoming book, because that's,
00:39:46.720 that's where I talk about that history. Just that, it's not a separate plug. I was still doing
00:39:50.380 the same with that. I'll argue with the judges later on after the show. That is the world that we live
00:39:58.480 in, okay? We're living in the world of the leftist standards. And it's a kind of anti-standard,
00:40:02.640 and it's a very perverse standard, and it's, and it's ridiculous. But if we don't put forward our
00:40:08.560 own standards, then we're just going to keep in this vicious cycle. We're just, it's going to be
00:40:14.220 like House Republican leadership. It's going to, we complain about the, the lib in House Republican
00:40:18.260 leadership, and then we boot out the lib and we replace them with another lib because we don't
00:40:21.460 understand how to get out of that vicious cycle. There are bigger problems here than just the
00:40:27.160 stalemate that we've been in over the last 20 or so years, where it seems like we, no matter what we
00:40:31.620 do, no matter who we elect, we can't win, no matter how hard we push against political correctness.
00:40:35.300 We can't, we always seem to cede ground. There were deeper problems here. Well, we're all busy
00:40:40.160 arguing, like Jake Tapper says, over the, we're spending a little too much money and, you know,
00:40:45.040 we're spending a little too much on welfare or whatever. Here's a, here's a, an existential political
00:40:51.180 problem for the country. The birth rate is falling again. The birth rate has been falling steadily
00:40:56.520 for a long time and it fell again. It fell 4% in the year 2020. We were told that there was going
00:41:04.720 to be a baby boom. Remember the, the COVID baby boom? I actually participated in the COVID baby 0.72
00:41:09.580 boom. We were told, we were hoping that there would be a baby boom, but there wasn't. The birth rate
00:41:15.340 fell again, 4%. This is the lowest point since federal health officials started tracking it more
00:41:22.360 than a century ago. 3.6 million babies were born in the United States last year. That's down from
00:41:27.500 3.75 million in 2019. In 2007, just for perspective, 4.3 million babies were born. The nation is now
00:41:35.940 below replacement levels, according to the CDC. That means that more people are dying every day than
00:41:41.580 are being born. We are a dying nation. Something has gone horribly wrong and you can't only blame the
00:41:48.700 left for that. You might, you might blame the left for causing that. You might blame the left for
00:41:53.120 instigating that. You might blame the left even for desiring that. They clearly don't like the
00:41:56.700 country very much. They're pushing the 1619 project that says it's an evil country. They're literally
00:42:00.800 burning it to the ground through BLM and Antifa. They're saying that our whole system of justice is
00:42:04.860 perverse and the physical representation of that, the cops need to be abolished. They are disrespecting
00:42:09.660 the American flag on sports teams, on, in professional sports, in halls of power. So yeah,
00:42:15.180 they, they might be cheering that on. And they actively are, by the way, you've got
00:42:19.000 looney tunes like Bill Gates saying without any evidence whatsoever that we've got a
00:42:23.000 overpopulation problem and we therefore need to push abortion and need to push contraception.
00:42:27.780 They've been saying this since the seventies when they said, inevitably there will be mass famines and
00:42:32.400 a population bomb. We will actually need to coerce. Paul Ehrlich said this in his book,
00:42:36.880 Population Bomb. We might need to coerce abortion and contraception. What happened? 50 years later, 0.86
00:42:41.500 the world population has doubled. Malnutrition is an all time low. It's a total lie, but they seem
00:42:46.140 to desire this sort of thing. But conservatives let it happen. Conservatives let it happen. We rolled
00:42:52.500 over by playing the court jester conservative in the kingdom of liberalism, by playing along with
00:42:57.520 their game, by not putting forward an actual alternative. In the word of Phyllis Schlafly,
00:43:02.260 we need a choice, not an echo. And yet what have we given? Nothing, nothing, but echoes. Echo,
00:43:08.060 echo, echo, echo in this aging country and an aging culture. The aging country has a very aging
00:43:18.100 president. I think Biden, Biden is the perfect president for us right now. He, I didn't vote
00:43:22.920 for him. I was very sad when he ascended to the presidency, but he's, he's the perfect representative
00:43:32.360 of where the country's at right now. If I, if I had to describe the national ethos right now,
00:43:41.180 if I had to perform what the country looks like, I bet it would sound a lot like this.
00:43:44.780 Job creation is soaring. The economy's growing and our country is on the move again.
00:43:51.360 But some of the parts of the, of our economy, special help. At the top of that list is our
00:43:56.760 nation's restaurants. When COVID-19 pandemic struck, our nation's restaurants were some of
00:44:02.980 the first hit and the worst hit. In 2020, more than 2,300, excuse me, 2 million, 2.3 million
00:44:12.760 restaurants, jobs disappeared. 2.3 million restaurant jobs disappeared. Restaurants are more
00:44:20.420 than a major driver of our economy. They're woven in the fabric of our communities.
00:44:25.820 And then there's two and, uh, it's coming on, uh, Seminole. Who now? Where am I? What's, uh,
00:44:34.320 hey, oh, hey there. Hey, come on, man. What's going on? Biden, not a whole lot going on in between
00:44:41.200 the ears. I think that's pretty clear, although that's always been the case with Biden. People
00:44:44.420 forget this. They think, they think he was sharp as a tack 10 years ago because he spoke more
00:44:48.280 clearly, but the guy has always been a doofus. I don't even say that to throw bombs or be insulting.
00:44:52.680 He was always considered a doofus in American politics. He was considered a doofus in the
00:44:56.560 Democratic Party. And now he's older. So, you know, we don't want to be too insulting of him.
00:45:01.040 And he's obviously lost a step, but beyond the question of what, what he's had going on the whole
00:45:07.720 time, he just seems exhausted. And we seem exhausted as a country, but I'm not exhausted.
00:45:14.960 I don't know about you. I'm not exhausted. I'm raring to go. I want to do stuff. I have not
00:45:23.720 fallen into this existential ennui, this malaise that seems to have taken over the culture.
00:45:29.360 I want to do stuff. I want to build stuff. I want to have kids. I want to have a thriving community.
00:45:36.780 I want to enjoy the beautiful world. I want, I want to not just miss what we have lost. I want to not
00:45:44.780 just engage in nostalgia, which is history after a few drinks, but I want to enjoy what we still have
00:45:49.300 and what we could pull back again. And I think a lot of conservatives agree with me. And I think
00:45:54.280 that this was the whole premise of Donald Trump's 2016 campaign. And it's why it was so effective
00:45:58.640 despite any flaws and foibles he might've had, because his argument was make America great again.
00:46:04.080 Not, let's just be kind of comfortable. Not, oh, we should really feel bad about all the stuff
00:46:08.900 in the past. And not, oh, we need to have fewer kids because of the earth and the sun monster and 0.97
00:46:13.980 the global, whatever, cooling, warming, change, whatever. It's not that. He said, no, no, no.
00:46:19.460 Be great. Make America great again. There's a great scene in that movie, Hail Caesar,
00:46:23.840 possibly the greatest movie of the last 10 years. It's a Coen Brothers movie. It didn't,
00:46:27.220 didn't do as well as it should have. And in this movie, George Clooney plays George Clooney.
00:46:31.220 And he, actually, he, this is quite a coincidence, unintentional. He falls under the sway of a
00:46:40.080 professor of the Frankfurt School and the father of the new left, Herbert Marcuse, who I talk about
00:46:43.800 on this show and who I talk about at great length in my upcoming book, Speechless, Controlling Words,
00:46:47.200 Controlling Minds. Filled on that for pre-order. That one, wow, I'm even, I'm even fooling myself on
00:46:51.560 some of these ad transitions now. Clooney falls under the sway of this radical Marxist, Herbert Marcuse,
00:46:56.940 and he shows up in the office of Eddie Mannix, who's the big studio head in Hollywood. And he
00:47:01.860 says, oh man, you don't understand. We're just all in this awful, terrible system. And it's the fat
00:47:07.540 cats exploiting us and everything's terrible for us. And we got to throw off our shackles. And the
00:47:11.920 studio chief pulls him up, smacks him in the face. And he says, don't you ever say that again.
00:47:18.160 This studio has been good to you. That fat cat in New York, he's been good to you. He's the founder of
00:47:22.780 your feasts and he's enabled you to do great things. And I don't want to ever hear you say that
00:47:26.820 again. And, and the George Clooney character, he looks shocked and he says, okay, I'm sorry. I'm
00:47:31.520 sorry. I'm sorry. And he starts to walk out of the office dejected. And Eddie Mannix, the boss in the
00:47:37.600 room, turns to him and he says, hey, go be a star. That's why I think, come on, just cut it out with
00:47:44.220 the ridiculous, being critical of everything, tearing down the statues, ripping down George
00:47:49.120 Washington. Go out there and be a star. Can we do that? Or are we a dying population? That's up to us.
00:47:56.060 It's up to us. Are we going to lean into society? It's why I'm so
00:47:59.260 personally offended by the Gates divorce. It's not because I particularly care about
00:48:04.900 Bill and Melinda Gates, but it's because when you get divorced, that's not just a private matter. 0.99
00:48:12.140 It's a public matter because marriage is a public institution. It's why you do it in public. It's 0.99
00:48:16.260 why you register it with the government. That's why it's always, it's the fundamental political
00:48:20.080 institution. And when you pull out of that, it's not just about you, man. It's not just about
00:48:24.200 you moving on to the next phase of your life and growing individually and
00:48:28.020 it's about society. It's about providing a stable home for your children. And it's about providing
00:48:34.220 a stable basis for your community and for your state and for your country. I get it. It's a
00:48:38.040 fallen world. These things are going to happen, but we should discourage it. We shouldn't celebrate
00:48:42.000 it, which is what we're doing now. That's insane. That's going to lead to much bigger political
00:48:47.380 problems like the dying population and the consequent desire for immigration to keep the economy afloat
00:48:55.180 and the falling apart of our ability for self-government and our outsourcing it to the
00:49:02.280 virtuous, self-styled, benevolent betters in Washington, DC. We've got a frail president
00:49:09.900 in a frail country, but it doesn't have to be that way. Joe Rogan came out. Joe Rogan,
00:49:14.280 seriously one of the thought leaders in our country. I'm not saying that ironically. He is.
00:49:19.680 I don't know what it says about our country, but he is. He pointed out the other day, he said,
00:49:23.700 you know, I wanted to send a video around that I saw of questioning the narrative on
00:49:30.340 the coronavirus and the lockdowns and the treatment, but I couldn't send it even through a private
00:49:35.500 message. You know, I tried to send a friend of mine a video the other day on Twitter through a
00:49:40.720 direct message and it was blocked. Really? I couldn't send a direct message. It's, it was,
00:49:47.360 I was asking him if this was accurate and it was a doctor who's talking about ivermectin and ivermectin,
00:49:54.240 which is a, um, it's a treatment for COVID. And this doctor was saying that ivermectin is 99%
00:50:01.360 effective in treating COVID, but that you don't hear about it because you can't fund vaccines when
00:50:08.060 there's an effective treatment. And this is, I don't know if this guy's right or wrong. So I'm
00:50:13.240 asking questions. So I go, Hey, tell me about this. So I send it, it message, not sent. I try
00:50:18.740 to send it again, message, not sent. And I'm like, Oh my God, what's your email? I had to send it
00:50:23.100 through email. Got to send it through email. Now I don't know anything about ivermectin. I don't even
00:50:27.420 really care that much. That's not, that's not what interests me in this clip. What interests me in
00:50:30.940 this clip is Joe Rogan, a famous, powerful, rich guy. Couldn't send a private message.
00:50:37.120 Just asking a scientific question. Couldn't engage in science. Couldn't try to follow the science
00:50:42.660 because the country, the culture is being run by a cartel. It's being run by these mobsters,
00:50:49.260 this little corporate oligarchy in Silicon Valley that's working with the establishment all over the
00:50:54.540 place. That is very different than our constitutional system purports to be on paper. Are we going to,
00:51:02.300 are we going to assert our political right and begin to exercise self-government again?
00:51:07.620 Are we just going to say, ah man, whatever, move into the frail old age of our Republic and say,
00:51:14.380 whatever, man, it is what it is. The choice is ours. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles
00:51:18.700 show. See you tomorrow.
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