The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 759 - Caitlyn Ain’t Conservative

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00:00:37.680 Lots of conservatives are embracing Caitlyn Jenner's candidacy for California governor.

00:00:43.300 And you know that I have been a little slower to embrace the stiletto-clad decathlete.

00:00:50.100 And a lot of people have said, oh, that's terrible, Michael.

00:00:53.020 It's transphobic. It's no, let's do it. It'll be great. 1.00

00:00:56.280 Right. Caitlyn is totally going to turn California conservative again. 1.00

00:01:00.780 Well, now Caitlyn has spoken out for the first time about his campaign.

00:01:04.660 And you know how much I hate to say it.

00:01:06.620 You know, I can't, can I even get the words out?

00:01:09.920 I was totally right.

00:01:11.140 I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:20.000 Welcome back to the show.

00:01:20.900 My favorite comment yesterday from Sylvia J. Walker, who says, if Liz Cheney is so afraid

00:01:26.500 of the Capitol riot on January 6th, what would she have done if she lived through Portland,

00:01:31.540 Seattle, Los Angeles reality?

00:01:33.700 What alternate universe was she living in then?

00:01:36.320 It's still going on.

00:01:37.460 Right. But that doesn't matter.

00:01:39.280 When people like, it's not even just Liz Cheney.

00:01:41.180 When, when these squishy Republicans, you parrot Democratic talking points and say that

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00:01:57.020 and Antifa riots. What they are telling you is not that they oppose political violence.

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00:03:49.020 Caitlin speaking out to Sean Hannity on Fox News. It was a very long interview. You can go watch the

00:03:57.060 whole thing. It's, it's perfectly illuminating, but there were three distinct moments where I thought,

00:04:01.540 okay, this is telling me what I need to know about the Caitlyn Jenner candidacy. The first one,

00:04:06.180 it starts off well. It starts off with a recognition of my, what I think is perhaps the most

00:04:13.020 important conservative virtue. It's certainly up there, which is prudence. It's the common sense. And

00:04:18.560 that's what Caitlyn is going to base his candidacy on.

00:04:21.500 I've kind of played around with that term. Um, and originally I started out as a compassionate

00:04:27.500 disruptor. And then I was thinking the other day, I think I'm more of a thoughtful disruptor. I have

00:04:33.160 common sense. Okay. I see what's going on and I see no common sense in politics and why they're doing

00:04:39.060 it besides only for political reasons. A man dressed as a woman wearing high heels is telling

00:04:48.260 you that he has common sense. And the thing is in California politics, it relatively, he probably

00:04:54.520 does. And I do, I don't mean this in any insulting way. Bruce Jenner has been an outspoken sort of

00:05:02.120 Republican, you know, more Republican than Democrat for a long time. And I think he actually does have

00:05:07.260 a fair bit of common sense. There's just one problem. There's just one glaring problem that

00:05:12.720 he fundamentally misunderstands human nature. Or if he doesn't even misunderstand it, if he merely just

00:05:18.560 wills to contradict human nature, that's a problem too. You can't claim the common sense when you're a

00:05:24.780 man wearing stiletto heels. You just can't, no matter how smart you are on fiscal policy. And I think

00:05:31.480 he's fairly moderate and reasonable on fiscal policy, no matter how reasonable you are about

00:05:38.560 crime, he's much more reasonable than any Democrat politician on crime in California. On immigration,

00:05:44.320 we'll get to immigration in a second. He's a little squish on that. But sure, he, he has relatively more 0.97

00:05:48.860 common sense on a lot of important policy issues. But he doesn't, he doesn't have common sense.

00:05:55.580 Okay. But when it comes down to it, he doesn't have common sense. So on the parts where he's,

00:06:00.960 he's relatively good as a candidate, what is that about? It's about the economy, stupid. To quote 1.00

00:06:08.100 James Carville, it's all about the economy. I have always been on the Republican side just because I

00:06:13.620 have conservative economic values. I, you know, the old same lower taxes, less regulations, you know,

00:06:20.140 a more friendly business environment. And we don't have that in California, but socially,

00:06:25.080 I've much, I've been much more progressive all my life. I get it. People do need help. You know,

00:06:31.720 we need programs. But you cannot have social programs without an economy. Doesn't happen. You

00:06:39.680 just don't have the finances do it. And that's what's happening here in California. And so it's

00:06:45.240 been so frustrating for me. I don't care. I work, I honestly, I like everybody. I'm friends with

00:06:53.140 everybody. I don't like everybody. There are people I don't like in life. I can get along with

00:06:58.600 anybody, Sean. You know, I can get along. So honestly, I don't really care if you're a Republican,

00:07:03.360 a Democrat, a libertarian, vegetarian, you know, it doesn't make any difference to me.

00:07:08.900 Um, I want solutions. If the Democrats are able to come up with great solutions, I am behind that

00:07:15.300 100%. Oh gosh, this is almost the worst answer he could have given because it starts off. Okay. He

00:07:23.180 says, look, I want typical 2000s Republican economic policies. I want less regulation. I want

00:07:30.600 lower taxes. I want a friendlier business environment. Okay. That's fine. Then he says,

00:07:35.900 but on the social stuff, I'm, I'm quite progressive. Oh, well, that's not great because

00:07:41.880 ultimately politics comes to culture and culture, culture ultimately comes to religion, right? That's

00:07:47.420 where it derives from. And these religious premises, what is a man? What is a woman? What

00:07:50.700 is our human nature? What are we here for? What are we doing? What is the nature of liberty? Is

00:07:54.040 liberty the same thing as licentiousness or is it the opposite of licentiousness? Very important

00:07:58.740 debates. Our founding fathers thought one thing, all the smart people throughout history and in

00:08:02.300 politics thought one thing. And in modernity, we, we think another thing, but then he starts

00:08:08.160 even beyond that where you think, okay, look, if, if you lower taxes, but completely gut the culture,

00:08:15.900 that's not a good trade. That's the trade that Republicans made for 20, 30 years now,

00:08:20.780 and it hasn't worked out very well for us. But also he's not even saying that he's that fiscally

00:08:25.640 conservative because what he's saying is I, I, not only am I progressive in the sense that I think men

00:08:30.260 can become women, I'm progressive in the sense that I think we should have a big welfare state, 0.96

00:08:34.420 right? He's saying we need social programs, but you need a good economy to support that welfare

00:08:38.800 state. He's basically just Bill Clinton. This is just what the new Democrats did. This is what,

00:08:43.700 this is actually in terms of political analogies here, you had this period after Reagan,

00:08:52.320 after the end of the cold war, you had George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush,

00:08:57.260 and to a lesser degree, Barack Obama, who were all basically the same president.

00:09:02.140 Certainly the two Bushes and Clinton, they had the same policies, make the economy better for business, 0.90

00:09:09.280 especially big business, and make, permit basically anything anyone wants to do on the social front

00:09:16.640 and support the consequences of those lifestyles with bigger government programs.

00:09:23.220 That's what they all did. So if you want to go back to Bush and Clinton,

00:09:28.100 vote for Caitlyn Jenner. That's what you're going to get. And then you just get into the pandering,

00:09:32.040 which is so Clintonian. So, and, and actually fairly bushy as well. Remember you had Ronald

00:09:37.200 Reagan who says, I'm a conservative. Then you had Bush come in, Bush the first, and he says,

00:09:41.240 we're going to be a kinder, gentler nation. And Nancy Reagan famously responded,

00:09:45.980 kinder and gentler than whom? How dare you, George Bush? You're insulting us.

00:09:50.760 Then you had Bill Clinton come in because I feel your pain. And then you had George W. Bush say,

00:09:58.600 I'm going to be a compassionate conservative. What? As opposed to all the cruel,

00:10:02.040 inhumane conservatives before them. And that's what Caitlyn's saying here. Look, I get it. I get

00:10:06.580 it. We need to take care of people. I'm just for solutions. I can, I get along with anybody. I love

00:10:11.480 Sean's response. He goes, I don't know. I don't really like everybody. Some people I think maybe

00:10:15.900 not. No, Sean, I get along with anybody. And then the tell that Caitlyn has here is he goes,

00:10:19.860 and honestly, and honestly, and honestly. When people use the phrase honestly, or when they say

00:10:27.620 to be honest, to be totally honest, that's always a big red flag to me. Because what that tells you is

00:10:34.220 they haven't been honest with you up until this point. If you need to alert your audience to the

00:10:39.840 times that you're being honest, then you're not being honest at other times. And then what I felt

00:10:45.660 was really, really a low point of the interview of an already pretty low interview, he gets to a very

00:10:53.200 important issue in California, immigration. Here's his answer. I am all for the wall. I would secure the 0.95

00:11:00.600 wall. We can't have a state. We can't have a country without a secure wall. You have two questions here.

00:11:07.640 One is stopping people from coming in illegally into the state. And then the second question is,

00:11:12.300 what do we do with the people that are here? We are a compassionate country. Okay, we are a

00:11:17.260 compassionate state. Some help. I mean, some people they're, we're going to send back. Okay,

00:11:24.960 no question about that. But I have met some of the greatest immigrants into our country. I had a guy

00:11:32.900 the other day, and he was Spanish, and I've known him for 17 years. He is the nicest, greatest guy he

00:11:40.000 would make. I mean, I would do everything for him to stay here. And so you have to deal with it.

00:11:48.920 We have to modernize. We have not modernized our immigration system in the United States to make 0.88

00:11:53.980 it possible to people to immigrate into this country. It's such a ridiculous. Would you allow 1.00

00:11:58.680 this? Such a ridiculous. We haven't made it possible for people to immigrate in here. We take more 1.00

00:12:02.660 immigrants than anyone else on earth, and it's not even close, and we've done it for 60 years.

00:12:06.760 What are you talking about? We need to make it easier for people to come into this country. Make

00:12:11.900 it easier. The majority of Americans want to dramatically reduce all immigration, both illegal

00:12:16.880 and legal immigration. According to fairly recent polls, there's a great Harvard Harris poll that

00:12:21.940 shows this. What on earth are you talking about? Well, look, look, I think we need to build a wall.

00:12:29.140 Yeah, I support, I support immigration enforcement. Okay, I'm with you so far. And we need to grant

00:12:33.220 amnesty to the people who are here. What? Why? Oh my gosh, Caitlin, you want to give a path to

00:12:39.800 citizenship to tens of millions of voters who are going to skew overwhelmingly Democrat?

00:12:46.800 Sorry to break it to you. There have been plenty of public opinion surveys about this and wishcasting

00:12:51.320 about how these illegal aliens are Republicans. They just don't know it yet. That's just not true. 1.00

00:12:56.360 It never shows up. There's no evidence of that. So you're saying,

00:13:01.100 let me catch my breath here. I'm so frustrated by this. You're telling me I've got to give up

00:13:07.080 gender, the gender ideology. I've got to totally accept that. I've got to give up the fundamental 1.00

00:13:12.040 distinction in human nature. Totally mainstream this delusion, which we've at least generally held

00:13:17.560 the line on in the Republican Party and in the conservative movement for some years now.

00:13:21.120 I've got to give that up so that we can get a squish Republican who is fairly immoderate on economics, 0.92

00:13:31.420 who is politically totally unpracticed, and who wants to give amnesty to tens of millions of

00:13:39.320 illegal aliens. And who's going to lose the race, by the way? That's why I've got to give up the most 1.00

00:13:45.700 fundamental premise that the left is trying to push and has been trying to push for years. 0.99

00:13:49.980 Are you insane? Are you out of your mind? 1.00

00:13:54.020 Totally crazy. It just shows you the naivete, the political ignorance, where he says, look, 1.00

00:13:57.920 what do you, you've got to do something with the illegal aliens. No, you don't. No, you don't. 0.97

00:14:02.020 They came into this country illegally. I'm not saying you've got to deport them all. That's

00:14:04.620 probably impractical, but why on earth do you have to give them amnesty? Just, just leave it as is,

00:14:11.000 but, but they're living in the shadows. Yeah, they should leave. They broke our laws and they're in our

00:14:15.720 country illegally. I, I think they should leave, but if they're not going to leave, you don't need 1.00

00:14:19.780 to encourage it. You don't need to incentivize it. Totally, totally wrongheaded. Not, not a whole lot

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00:15:50.460 is not even his policies, which are pretty squish. In some cases, they're further left than most Democrats.

00:15:57.420 And in some cases, they're just kind of moderate. I don't know, Arnold Schwarzenegger type Republican,

00:16:02.060 Bushy Republican, Clinton type of policies. Okay, whatever. Is that better than Newsom? Maybe,

00:16:07.000 maybe not. Okay, fine. But the real issue is no matter how much Caitlyn says, we are,

00:16:12.520 I'm not going to push the transgender ideology. If you elect a man who thinks he's a woman 0.98

00:16:19.120 to high office, you are mainstreaming it, especially if you are the party that is at least nominally

00:16:27.080 standing against it right now. Democrats are already trying to mainstream, but if the Republicans do it,

00:16:30.780 then that's over. That's it. We have conceded that. There are conservative commentators and

00:16:36.860 conservative politicians who refer to him as her. And I get why they do it. It's hard not to do it.

00:16:43.080 I did it the other day by accident. I was talking to someone. I said, well, I don't know. I think

00:16:46.020 she's pretty. I said, oh my gosh, I'm doing it now too. Because it's a very seductive ideology. 0.99

00:16:53.100 I'm not saying Caitlyn Jenner is seductive. I'm saying the ideology is very seductive.

00:16:56.580 And people are doing it on television, on the conservative, putatively conservative news shows.

00:17:02.440 They're calling him her. We will be doing that. And that is too great a cost for sort of slightly,

00:17:10.480 maybe more conservative economic policies and basically the same immigration policies,

00:17:16.320 maybe a little slightly more conservative. It's just not, not worth it as far as I can tell.

00:17:21.020 Um, because that is, that ideology is very dangerous. You're seeing it being mainstreamed

00:17:26.960 right now, not just in politics, but in Popeye's chicken shops, there was a fella dressed up as a

00:17:33.640 lady who had a breakdown because allegedly some guy at a Popeye's, my favorite chicken shop,

00:17:39.600 called him, sir. I'm going to be talking to your manager. This guy called me, sir.

00:17:44.480 I get this out of every f***ing get. Everywhere I go, I get called, sir. I'm so f***ing sorry. 0.93

00:17:48.980 Why would you call a ch***? Big ass t***. You're a f***er. Why would you call? 1.00

00:17:53.540 I didn't say that. No, stop trying to gaslight trans people and tell us that we're crazy. 0.99

00:17:59.520 Wait, what? Did you call me, sir again? What was that? You said, good night, sir. 0.99

00:18:04.220 This is transphobic harassment. You're a f***ing bigot. All right, Alex, you know what? I can't 1.00

00:18:12.060 wait to just, it's a slur. Do you not understand? It's like if you call the person that color the

00:18:18.240 N-word. Don't f*** it, sir. You did on the way out. I don't care. I have the right to be pissed 1.00

00:18:24.580 about it. You f***ing did. You f***ing did. You f***ing did. You liar. Cis people need to be 1.00

00:18:30.600 held accountable for how they treat trans people. And I'm not going to put up with this s*** anymore. 1.00

00:18:34.900 You're crazy, bro. You're a f***. Don't call me f***ing broke. Stop f***ing throwing slurs at me, 1.00

00:18:40.400 you f***ing piece of s***. So this guy obviously should not be in a chicken shop. He should be in 1.00

00:18:48.020 a padded cell because he's not in his right mind. If conservatives mainstream Caitlyn Jenner,

00:18:55.520 then that crazy guy is right. Then the guy throwing the big fit, screaming the words, 0.85

00:19:01.960 that guy is in the right. And the Popeye's employees, if they called him sir or whatever,

00:19:06.580 they're in the wrong. Because we will be tacitly, but clearly accepting the premise that a man really

00:19:14.860 can become a woman. And so even beyond the guy freaking out in Popeye's, when you hear these

00:19:19.600 promises, well, look, we support gender ideology for adults, but not for children. What are you

00:19:25.040 talking about? That doesn't make any sense. Either a man can become a woman or he can't become a woman. 0.80

00:19:30.260 If he can become a woman, that's true for children, just as it's true for adults. 0.99

00:19:33.700 If he can't become a woman, that's true for children, just as it's true for adults. 0.99

00:19:38.140 It's not even a slippery slope. It's just this, it's just, you're there. It's just the same thing.

00:19:42.740 And so we can say, no, no, but we're going to protect children from this. Why? If it's true,

00:19:46.080 then why would you protect children from the truth? And if it's false, why would you mainstream it?

00:19:49.480 Why would you embrace that? You think, you think that, I'm talking to those conservatives who want

00:19:57.540 to mainstream Caitlin. You think that you can just keep these, these declarations about reality

00:20:04.400 totally private. What you're embracing is the Anthony Kennedy view that at the heart of liberty

00:20:11.400 is the right to define our own conception of existence, of, of life. This is what Antonin

00:20:18.860 Scalia mocked as the sweet mystery of life passage from the ridiculous decision, Planned Parenthood

00:20:25.540 versus Casey by the Supreme Court, which I talk about at length, by the way, in my upcoming book,

00:20:29.360 Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds, available now for pre-order.

00:20:33.140 The, you, you, obviously you do not have any right to define your own conception of existence in

00:20:39.320 reality. Reality has the right to, to impose itself upon you. Because also if you have 300 million

00:20:46.080 people defining their own concept of reality, then you, you have an insane asylum nation, right? You 0.67

00:20:51.240 don't, you can't actually have a nation because we have to agree on certain things. We have to be at

00:20:55.100 least playing theoretically in the same, in the same game here. And reality doesn't change just because

00:21:01.220 you want it to change. You think you can keep these things private, but the, your private act,

00:21:07.120 this is where the, the radical left actually gets it pretty right. Your private actions do have an

00:21:10.820 effect on public life. But, but we hear from the left and we hear from the squish Republicans, they 1.00

00:21:16.380 say, oh, just mind your own business. Just, hey, if that guy wants to make a nuisance of himself in

00:21:22.100 Popeyes, mind your own business. Well, those guys in Popeyes were minding their own business, but that

00:21:26.960 guy wouldn't let them mind their own business. Samantha Bee just made this point. You don't think that a man 0.95

00:21:31.440 should wear stilettos, mind your own business. This year, we're seeing a tidal wave of transphobic

00:21:37.420 legislation targeting kids, largely in retaliation for President Biden's executive order to protect

00:21:43.480 trans rights. Conservatives are staging a coordinated attack on trans kids by making up a problem that

00:21:49.540 absolutely doesn't exist. Most of the legislators who sponsored anti-trans bills this year can't even cite a

00:21:55.840 single instance where trans girls competing in sports has caused problems. Rather, these laws stem

00:22:02.020 from the very incorrect misconception that trans women are not women. They falsely claim trans women

00:22:07.960 automatically have more testosterone and therefore more muscle mass than cis women. But studies don't 1.00

00:22:13.840 show a consistent relationship between testosterone and athletic performance. So why are conservatives

00:22:20.480 actually targeting trans athletes? Fear mongering, baby. Just like with the bathroom bills,

00:22:26.360 Republicans are trying to scare their base into voting for people like Governor If Life Didn't Go 0.98

00:22:31.300 Well Pat Sajak. Let's be real. Conservatives don't actually care about this. They just want to

00:22:36.060 politically profit from excluding trans people from yet another public space. At the end of the day, 0.99

00:22:41.440 Republicans need to stop policing other people's bodies, mind their own business and let trans people

00:22:46.280 live their lives. Yeah, just mind your own business. So obviously the factual claims she's making are 0.99

00:22:51.760 just completely wrong. The idea that there's no evidence that there's ever been an athletic issue

00:22:55.440 here. There's a court, there's a case at the Supreme Court right now that's working its way up the

00:22:59.380 courts that the Alliance Defending Freedom is working on. I think we've talked about it on the Daily Wire

00:23:03.140 quite a lot. So yes, it has happened many times. The idea that the anti-trans bills are infringing on

00:23:11.560 trans rights. No, the question is, what is the definition of a person? These Republicans,

00:23:16.360 they don't really care about this. They just, they just want to harm people. They just want to, 0.66

00:23:21.380 you should just mind your own business. We are minding our own business. Why don't you mind your

00:23:25.080 own business, Samantha Bee? Mind your own business. We're here. We've been in this society now and in

00:23:31.120 civilization for, I don't know, ever, you know, just about forever. We've, we've been from primitive

00:23:37.520 man all the way up to this alleged height of civilization that we're living through right now.

00:23:42.640 We have always, at all times everywhere, believed that men are men and women are women. So

00:23:46.800 just mind your own business. And if you, you disagree with that reality, then just stop pushing

00:23:52.020 this on me. But this has nothing to do, this has nothing to do with minding your own business.

00:23:57.020 This has everything to do with, with dominating the business, with declaring the rules of

00:24:02.420 engagement, with defining the standards. What, you know, you, you always hear this. Well, hey,

00:24:10.640 get, get your, get your morality out of my politics. Well, you're, Samantha Bee is imposing

00:24:15.500 her morality on our politics. Get your religion out of my politics. You're imposing your religion 1.00

00:24:18.680 on my politics. Your religion says a man can be a woman. My religion says it can't. Only one of those 1.00

00:24:23.440 religions is going to win out. And I think it ought to be mine because mine's correct. So, and 1.00

00:24:28.520 everyone has agreed with that for all of human history until about five seconds ago.

00:24:32.420 You can't just keep these things private and conservatives worse than leftists almost have

00:24:37.400 given into this idea. Well, just leave me alone. Get off my lawn. Yeah, that, that goes only so far as

00:24:44.380 the force of law comes in and tells you that you, your worldview is no longer permissible. And that's

00:24:51.920 the point that we're at right now. This stuff is going on in, in first grade. Uh, YAF, Young

00:24:57.080 America's Foundation just uncovered this in a first grade class in Bellingham, Washington. A teacher is

00:25:01.280 educating her children in transgenderism, reading a book, some transgender book. Teacher's name is

00:25:06.340 Jennifer Miller. She said, yes, I did read the book. As a district, we're working hard to support all

00:25:10.460 members of our school community and promote inclusion through understanding and compassion.

00:25:14.920 Concerned parents reached out to administrators, but they refused to take action. Why? Why did they

00:25:19.220 refuse to take action? Well, the president of the school board operates a sex boutique called Wink Wink 0.93

00:25:24.100 in downtown Bellingham, which is a quote, gender inclusive woman owned all ages, sex shop, all ages. 1.00

00:25:33.600 What on? So it's a kid's sex shop. You're a, huh? Well, that's just her private life. 0.98

00:25:42.480 That's just her private views. No, it clearly has public effect as well. This sort of thing is being

00:25:48.640 mainstreamed and conservatives are just, we're twiddling our thumbs when we're not outright

00:25:54.800 embracing it. This kind of stuff going on in schools. There's a report out from the New York

00:25:58.520 Times that 3 million kids dropped out of school this past year. When you read stories like that,

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00:26:36.780 The New York Times. By one estimate, 3 million students nationwide, roughly the school-age population

00:26:44.520 of Florida, stopped going to classes, virtual or in-person, after the pandemic began, according to

00:26:51.760 the New York Times. Now, notice what they do here. This is very relatively subtle for the Times,

00:26:59.220 but they say 3 million students, roughly the school-age population of Florida, stopped going

00:27:05.060 to classes. They're doing this because there is a prejudice in this country against Florida,

00:27:09.520 against the South generally and against Florida specifically. You know, Florida man,

00:27:12.200 all those kooky rednecks in Florida. The Florida kids didn't stop going to school. 1.00

00:27:16.940 Florida is the most open state in the country. The kids who stopped going to school are in Chicago

00:27:21.220 and New York and California and all over, all over those places. But they, they point, they say,

00:27:26.600 oh, it's because it's the numbers, right? It's just making a comparison by the numbers. No,

00:27:29.980 they're trying to insinuate that it's somehow Republicans' fault or the rednecks or the Southerners.

00:27:35.000 No, it's not. It's the libs that are keeping the kids out of schools. But frankly,

00:27:39.740 I'm not sure that's such a bad thing. Conservatives, we just get so,

00:27:46.360 we're our own worst enemy so much of the time. Because we point out that these schools are

00:27:51.780 indoctrinating children into radical leftist ideology that teaches them to hate their country,

00:27:57.060 to question their own nature and doesn't, doesn't teach them or offer them a liberal education.

00:28:03.320 So that's what's going on in the schools. Then along comes this virus and takes the kids out of

00:28:08.360 schools. And then we complain that the kids aren't in schools. Isn't that a good thing?

00:28:12.940 Isn't this an opportunity to rethink our education system? I understand it's, it's hard for students,

00:28:18.800 especially the social aspect. It's really hard. And it's especially bad if they're not,

00:28:22.300 if when they're at home, they're not even learning the, the basic sort of edifying things that they

00:28:29.720 would have been learning in school. The parents should step up there. The community should step

00:28:33.120 up there. Yeah, I, that's, I don't, I actually mean to minimize the experience of the students.

00:28:38.220 But the government education in this country, I mean, public education broadly, I mean,

00:28:44.160 even including a lot of the private schools here is very destructive. So if, if we have this

00:28:49.840 opportunity where 3 million kids are not being steeped in that kind of insanity, maybe we should

00:28:55.020 take that opportunity. I think the libs would take that opportunity. They never let a crisis go

00:28:58.640 to waste. The population of Florida, Florida is doing just fine. Thank you very much. And Ron

00:29:04.600 DeSantis is taking victory laps because this guy has been right about coronavirus from the beginning

00:29:09.280 and he's fighting back again. He just gave a press conference. You'll notice he's looking a little

00:29:13.900 thinner. He's wearing better tailored suits. It's almost like this guy has his eyes on a bigger job.

00:29:18.720 I don't know. I'm not, I'm not making any predictions here, but one might think he's

00:29:24.340 setting himself up for 2024. Ron DeSantis says, we gotta, we gotta cut it out here with this

00:29:29.500 craziness at the CDC. Florida was right and everybody's got to open up. Think about the

00:29:34.100 larger implication of this. Do you want one unelected bureaucracy to be able to have the power

00:29:40.960 to indefinitely shut down a major industry in this country? They do not have that authority to do it.

00:29:47.460 That's why we're suing them. But this has much larger implications than just cruise ships sailing

00:29:53.120 or not. This has implications for potentially any industry. And look, with all due respect to the CDC,

00:29:59.860 I mean, if you look at some of the stuff that they've done on school openings, where they're

00:30:03.340 basically doing the teachers unions bidding, when they say these, these kids should be masked at

00:30:09.080 summer camp outdoors. I'm sorry. That's not science. That's politics.

00:30:13.580 That's not science. That's politics. It's a good line. Ron DeSantis is, is good at these lines.

00:30:18.780 He's obviously set himself up very well in 2024. And I, I'm not, I'm really not knocking him. He's

00:30:23.240 doing such a great job. I don't, I don't want to nitpick, but this distinction here, that's not

00:30:28.000 science. That's politics. That's a meaningless distinction in secular progressivism in a country

00:30:33.040 that's run by the administrative state. He says the CDC doesn't have any right to run our lives for us.

00:30:37.660 Yes, it does. Yes, it does. The progressives for a century now have empowered these agencies that

00:30:45.080 are relatively unaccountable to the people to run our lives. They've done that. And that is the way

00:30:49.740 our government works. I know it doesn't look like it works that way in the constitution, but that is

00:30:53.800 how our government works. And we have outsourced through the progressive project, our political

00:30:59.040 decisions, largely to egghead experts who pretend that there's no debate over any political

00:31:04.100 questions because that's just what the science says. So the real issue here is not just, I fear

00:31:09.980 we fall into this trap where we agree with the left that, well, whatever the science says, we need to

00:31:16.720 follow that. The science should dictate our politics, but just in this case, that's not what the science

00:31:22.820 is saying. Just in this case with the CDC, they're not following the science, it's politics. No, we should

00:31:26.540 go back and say, no, I don't care what the science says. The science is, meaning this method of

00:31:33.320 material inquiry does not dictate my politics. I truly don't care. My issue with Dr. Fauci is not

00:31:39.900 just that he gets it wrong. It's that he shouldn't be running my life. He also gets it wrong a lot,

00:31:45.060 but that's, that's not the issue. My issue isn't just that the CDC is overstepping its bounds where

00:31:51.400 it gets to run our lives because of science. No, my issue is that the CDC at all is trying to run my

00:31:56.880 life. I don't mind the CDC giving advice. I have no problem getting the advice of experts,

00:32:02.140 but ultimately I want these decisions to be made by politicians. You know who the experts are at,

00:32:07.060 at politics in a self-governing republic? The people. We're the experts. We're the experts that,

00:32:13.260 that everyone's supposed to defer to within the constitutional boundaries. And that has been

00:32:18.820 totally disrespected. I'm not, DeSantis has done a great job, so I'm really not knocking him for it.

00:32:25.780 But it's, you got to watch the language. The language is very important here. The left has

00:32:30.820 wrought a lot of changes in society through subtle shifts of language, which is a topic I discuss at

00:32:35.800 great length, by the way, in my upcoming book, Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds,

00:32:38.920 available now for pre-order. The audio book, the autographed first edition, the Kindle, and the

00:32:43.920 hardcover. Speaking of the politics of science, Cori Bush, a representative on the democratic side,

00:32:53.360 wants you to know all about the politics of birthing people.

00:32:55.460 Every day, black women are subjected to harsh and racist treatment during pregnancy and childbirth. 0.97

00:33:01.800 Every day, black women die because the system denies our humanity. It denies us patient care. 1.00

00:33:07.460 I sit before you today as a single mom, as a nurse, as an activist, and as a congresswoman,

00:33:13.580 and I am committed to doing the absolute most to protect black mothers, to protect black babies,

00:33:19.660 to protect black birthing people, and to save lives.

00:33:23.960 As far as I know, Cori Bush supports abortion, so I don't think she cares at all about black babies. 0.67

00:33:28.580 And in terms of the birthing people, what's a birthing person? Oh, a woman. That's, but you're 1.00

00:33:31.880 not allowed to say woman anymore because the left embraced transgenderism. And guess what? 0.92

00:33:35.440 If the conservatives go all in on Caitlyn, we are implicitly, even if we say we're not,

00:33:40.380 we are implicitly embracing that kind of language too. She, this woman, Cori Bush, she, she might be

00:33:46.220 even to the left of AOC, though AOC had a pretty wild line. I have to get to it before the mailbag.

00:33:50.780 AOC is out defending Planned Parenthood for saving lives. She begins, she says,

00:33:56.340 conservatives, I don't want to hear it about Planned Parenthood when you support the death

00:33:59.820 penalty. First and foremost, I don't want to hear a single person on this committee or outside of

00:34:07.520 this committee talk about what, about valuing life when they continue to uphold the death penalty,

00:34:14.900 when they continue to support policies that disproportionately incarcerate and lead to the

00:34:20.140 deaths of black men and people throughout this country and uphold an absolutely unjust medical

00:34:28.120 system that exists for profit that allows people to die because they can't afford to live.

00:34:34.460 Put a pause right there. I don't have a lot of time, so we'll do this quickly.

00:34:37.420 Executing convicted criminals is different than murdering innocent babies.

00:34:41.140 The U.S. justice system over, it intentionally incarcerates criminals. That's what they go for. 1.00

00:34:48.040 If, if some groups commit crime at higher rates, that ain't the cop's fault. That ain't the system's

00:34:54.080 fault. It's a problem, but it ain't the cop's problem. And third, the United States has the

00:34:59.420 best healthcare in the world. That's why people from other countries that allegedly have better 0.99

00:35:02.800 healthcare, when they want good healthcare, they come to the United States. And then she goes on and

00:35:06.060 makes her real point. In addition to that, if we want to talk about Planned Parenthood,

00:35:11.460 let's talk about how many lives Planned Parenthood has saved and how many babies have been born

00:35:18.700 because of the prenatal care provided by Planned Parenthood. And if you don't, if you don't believe

00:35:25.120 it, and if you've never met a Planned Parenthood baby, I'm happy to let you know that I am one.

00:35:29.880 And that my mother received and relied on prenatal care from Planned Parenthood when she was pregnant

00:35:36.360 with me. And so if we're concerned about life, we don't get to talk about anyone else who's not

00:35:42.720 concerned about the full spectrum of that when we are upholding policies that kill people.

00:35:49.120 So that's obviously preposterous, the argument she's making. If AOC really, if her mother did go

00:35:54.820 to Planned Parenthood at various times, and I have no reason to believe that because AOC lies all the time,

00:35:59.340 but if that's true, if AOC slipped through the cracks of the abortionist ghouls at, at Planned

00:36:05.000 Parenthood, that's good. Good for her. That's a, that's a good story. The fact is that Planned 0.98

00:36:08.900 Parenthood kills hundreds of thousands of babies a year. Their business is abortion. If accidentally 0.92

00:36:14.580 some woman walks in and they don't, they're not able to get their fangs into them and, and convince 0.99

00:36:19.100 them to kill their babies, that is a happy accident that happens at Planned Parenthood. But the argument 0.97

00:36:24.440 she's making here is if you don't oppose the death penalty, you can't, you can't

00:36:29.200 oppose abortion. Not true. If you don't support socialist medicine, you can't oppose abortion.

00:36:33.860 Not true. You can, you really can. You don't need to fall for the traps that the left is laying before

00:36:39.320 you. Even when that involves candidates on our own side that are, that are, I think, tricking us

00:36:46.440 wittingly or unwillingly into, into accepting a lot of three dangerous leftist premises. You know,

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00:37:51.840 it out. We'll be right back with the mailbag. Welcome back to the show. First question from Lisa

00:38:09.120 Marie. Hey, Michael, I have a problem at work. I recently moved to a new city for work and have not

00:38:14.600 fully settled in. There is a guy at work I have a crush on, but there are a few complications.

00:38:19.960 He is much younger than me. I'm Catholic and he's a practicing Jew and I am about five inches taller

00:38:25.960 than him. Do you think this is too much of a divide to be bridged? Does height and age really matter?

00:38:32.400 Thanks a lot. Sincerely, Romeo and not a Juliet. Well done. Well done, not a Juliet.

00:38:40.860 Yet, there are a lot of complications here. Not the least of which you don't even really

00:38:47.000 get to it or acknowledge it, but not the least of which is you work together. So if things don't

00:38:52.380 work out, it could be a little bit awkward. It could be even worse than awkward. So, you know,

00:38:57.880 you got to take that into consideration. Plenty of people meet at work, so I'm not,

00:39:00.460 I'm not saying that's a deal breaker, but something to consider. In terms of the age,

00:39:05.680 age, it could be an issue. The only, the only way it would be an issue necessarily is with kids.

00:39:10.980 I think, I mean, you know, age creates complicated. I've, I've friends who are married who have big

00:39:15.640 age gaps and it can be a problem. It's not always a problem, but it can be. But with kids, it could

00:39:20.160 really be a problem because if, if the timing is not going to work out and he really wants kids,

00:39:25.340 then probably this thing isn't going to work for you. As for the religious issue, if you want to be

00:39:31.880 married and remain Catholic, you know, if you want, if you want to be married in the church,

00:39:35.640 then you would have to agree to raise children Catholic. That's the way that you would get a 0.88

00:39:39.720 dispensation from the bishop for an interfaith marriage. And really, really he would have to

00:39:45.540 convert, right? Because you, you need to be unified. You can't have a family that believes radically

00:39:53.840 different things like that. And if the man is going to be the head of the household, which is pretty

00:39:59.220 traditional, then if you're not going to convert to Judaism and as a fellow papist, I would suggest 0.78

00:40:06.420 you do not do that, then you would have that trick. And that's not impossible. Plenty of people

00:40:12.320 start out believing different religions and then they come together, but, but you'll either grow

00:40:16.580 together or grow apart. Not saying you can't go get a drink with the guy. In terms of the, the height,

00:40:23.380 you know, if you don't have a problem with it and he doesn't have a problem with it, then who cares?

00:40:25.940 You know, think about Nicolas Sarkozy, the former prime minister of France, who, you know, he was

00:40:30.200 dating that hottie who was much taller than him and that was, made him look like an even cooler guy.

00:40:34.760 So that, I wouldn't worry about that. But, uh, and in terms of, you know, in terms of the age,

00:40:38.540 it's there, that is a little bit more difficult than it, than it would be, uh, in terms of height.

00:40:45.020 But, you know, you could suss it out. You don't need to decide whether or not you're going to spend

00:40:48.980 your lives together on, on the first date. Uh, but you shouldn't drag it along either and put

00:40:54.240 yourselves in a bad situation. That'll be harder to get out of. From Jared, dear Michael,

00:40:58.800 my brother's wife has excluded me from mother's day because I have not gotten vaccinated.

00:41:04.180 Oh, my parents and every other adult who will be at the celebration have been vaccinated,

00:41:08.620 but she doesn't want me exposing my seven year old niece. Who's at what? Like 0.00001% risk or

00:41:16.340 something. That's not an exact figure, but it ain't that far off. I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I'm 31 years

00:41:21.500 old, had COVID last December, and I don't understand how a vaccine can improve my own

00:41:25.800 God-given immunity. I respect her impulse to protect her child, but I don't see how my presence

00:41:30.580 puts my niece at any more or less risk. My sister-in-law is acting out of fear at best and

00:41:36.240 at worst, passive-aggressively punishing me for not marching to the beat of Fauci's drum.

00:41:39.900 What would you do? Well, I might, I might, uh, tell my brother that he could consider acting like a

00:41:45.380 man and get control of his household. Good grief. Is your, just your, uh, clearly your sister-in-law 0.97

00:41:51.000 wears the pants in the family, doesn't she? Goodness gracious. He's just, your brother is

00:41:55.920 letting your sister-in-law tell his family what to do. There are clearly deeper problems here than,

00:42:04.020 than the vaccine and the neurosis that your sister-in-law is, is expressing with the vaccine 0.99

00:42:09.900 clearly is given free reign in that household. So that would be, that's the first problem. Your 0.99

00:42:14.460 brother is the first problem. But, uh, and if you look at the statistical likelihood that a seven

00:42:20.100 year old child is going to face serious complications from COVID, it is, it's virtually

00:42:25.040 non-existent. So that's not a good argument. Uh, and yeah, I, I would not do it. I would not,

00:42:32.000 I would not get the vaccine for that reason. Um, I wouldn't want to miss out on Mother's Day either.

00:42:38.140 So I'd try to arrange maybe, you know, you have breakfast with your mother or something like that.

00:42:42.240 But if your sister-in-law is going to boot you from the dinner or from the lunch for a

00:42:47.120 completely bogus reason and your brother is gelded and refuses to tell her no, then what,

00:42:54.500 what can you do? You know, you don't, you shouldn't acquiesce to that sort of ridiculous demand and 0.94

00:42:58.480 maybe go get breakfast or go get a different meal instead. From Sandy, last week Walsh had a segment

00:43:04.240 where he dissected a statement that Steve Harvey made on how it's impossible for a single man to be

00:43:08.900 just friends with a single woman. Man, I'm getting a lot of relationship questions today.

00:43:12.200 Uh, he agreed with Harvey, but what is your take? Yeah, basically that's true. It's, it's,

00:43:20.880 it's difficult for married men to be friends with single women. It's not impossible. It can happen,

00:43:27.380 but it has to be the case that you've got, you know, you're not sexually attracted to one another,

00:43:33.640 that the, that your wife is part of that friendship too, then it can, then it can work.

00:43:38.640 But if a, if a married man is friends just completely on his own with a single woman,

00:43:44.740 that can create some complications. Um, in terms of single men and single women, yeah, it's, it's

00:43:52.100 virtually impossible to do it unless you're really not in any way attracted to one another, but, but

00:43:58.460 that's rare and that sort of thing can change as well. So, and the question is if you're a single

00:44:03.920 man and a single woman and you really enjoy spending time together, then why would you want 1.00

00:44:08.740 that to remain totally asexual or platonic or whatever? Why, why would you even want to do that?

00:44:16.220 If you, you know, if it's working out, then why don't you, you know, see where it goes. From James,

00:44:21.640 Michael, I want to push back respectfully against your thoughts on Caitlin's run for governor.

00:44:26.500 Wow. That's funny. Cause the, obviously this question came in days ago and then my show today

00:44:29.300 was all about this. Isn't it possible for the GOP to support her run, especially if she has a viable 1.00

00:44:35.540 shot at winning without accepting the premise of transgender ideology? I'm not interested in owning 1.00

00:44:41.060 the left, although it would be a great trolling opportunity, but can't someone vote for Caitlin

00:44:44.840 without accepting the transgender issue? Please keep up your great work. You're the most base toast 1.00

00:44:48.660 at Daily Wire. Thank you very much for the compliment. No, it is not possible. And you just proved it

00:44:56.560 because what did you say? I'll pull it up right here. You said, isn't it possible for the GOP to

00:45:04.200 support her run if she has a viable shot at winning without accepting the premise of transgender 1.00

00:45:11.300 ideology? You just accepted it. You, the, the premise of transgender ideology is that a man can

00:45:16.380 become a woman and we ought to treat men who, who believe that they are women as women. And you just

00:45:22.760 did that. And you didn't mean to, I assume. I assume it just happened because you look and he's

00:45:26.820 wearing stilettos and he's wearing a dress often and he's got long hair and he vaguely resembles a

00:45:30.780 woman and everyone else is calling him her. So you're going to go along with that too.

00:45:35.600 The most ardent opponent of this madness and the most ardent defender of reality will

00:45:42.680 crack a little bit if the whole culture is telling you that the man is a woman. And if even the

00:45:50.820 putative conservatives are going along with it, I don't, I'm not, I'm trying not to be totally

00:45:55.900 closed-minded here. Never say never in, never say never Trump, right? For instance, never say never

00:46:00.460 in politics, but I just do not see a way for conservatives to embrace, even if Caitlin isn't

00:46:08.460 particularly conservative anyway, but even if he were, even if he were the most hardcore knuckle dragon

00:46:13.380 right-winger. I don't see a way for them to embrace him as her without giving up the game on

00:46:20.860 gender ideology, as I think you just demonstrated. From Daniel, I really love the show and I wanted

00:46:27.420 to tell you that it is largely due to you that I am joining a local church. Hey, great. A couple

00:46:32.260 years ago, I got divorced, which was at fault against me for reasons I won't get into in the

00:46:37.160 mailbag. I'm working on fixing the damage to others and myself that I caused, but what I wanted

00:46:42.560 to ask is how could I possibly move forward? My friend tells me that now I need to just jump back

00:46:47.300 into dating. However, I have a huge feeling of guilt from the divorce, even still. And if I find

00:46:52.140 someone, I don't want to bring that in and have another failed relationship because of it. If you

00:46:56.160 have any good advice, it would be welcomed. But if there is no good advice, then honesty will be

00:47:00.220 appreciated as well. Either way, I know that whatever you say, the results will leave me

00:47:04.280 speechless. Oh, but you know, that's my new book. That's the title of my new book coming out.

00:47:07.940 Controlling Words, Controlling Mindset, available now for pre-order. Very difficult situation. I'm

00:47:12.080 so pleased to hear that you've joined a local church and I'm very pleased to hear that I had

00:47:16.400 some role in that. Drew Clavin tells me that whenever that sort of thing happens, we get a

00:47:20.320 toaster in heaven. So that's great. I'm very excited. You're in a very difficult position. You should

00:47:25.440 not listen to your friends. Your friends just might not know what's going on. Here's a hard saying,

00:47:31.840 my friend, sorry to tell you this. You can't get divorced. You can't do it. 0.97

00:47:39.380 Now, the question of divorce is a question of what is the marriage? What was the marriage?

00:47:45.620 So I'm speaking here as a Catholic. This is the old timey view. This is the longstanding 0.93

00:47:51.800 Christian view of marriage and divorce. What God has joined together, let no man separate.

00:47:59.300 Now, if you've split up and you say it was your own fault, and sure, these things happen. People

00:48:07.680 get divorced. I totally get it. It's in the Mosaic law, right? If you split up, you get divorced.

00:48:17.800 This does not mean necessarily that you can never date again and that you can never marry,

00:48:21.840 but what you have to determine is whether or not your marriage was a valid marriage in the first

00:48:28.200 place, which is why the process here in the Catholic church is not divorce. One cannot get

00:48:33.780 divorced, but there is an investigation for the purpose of annulment. And what annulment says is 0.83

00:48:39.180 not, okay, you had a marriage and now you're going to dissolve that marriage. What annulment tries to

00:48:43.880 figure out is, did you have a valid marriage in the first place? Was something concealed before the

00:48:48.680 marriage that makes a fraud or a farce of that marriage vow? Did the people who were getting

00:48:57.260 married know what they were getting into in the first place? Now, the difficulty for you, I'm not

00:49:02.180 sure if you're Catholic. I suspect you're not by saying I joined a local church and say, you know,

00:49:06.880 you're kind of just getting into this. Back when I was coming out of my 10 years of atheism,

00:49:10.800 I checked out some other Protestant sorts of pastors and things too. So I understand that process.

00:49:16.240 I'm not familiar with a non-Catholic process for this investigation, this type of annulment.

00:49:25.460 So obviously I recommend the Catholic way to do things. But you should figure that out first

00:49:31.500 because you, I think your, your intuition is totally right. And you're going to have the

00:49:37.800 whole culture telling you you're wrong, but you're totally right. If you've got these unresolved

00:49:41.320 questions, these unresolved issues, you shouldn't just immediately jump into another relationship.

00:49:45.440 But then you could get married and then that could be failed as well. You, you need to work these

00:49:49.800 things out first yourself. And ultimately what are you working at? You're working at your own

00:49:53.360 salvation with fear and trembling. And you're, you're trying to figure out things that, and you're

00:49:58.100 hearing things that might be hard sayings, but you remember as you've joined your local church that

00:50:01.860 Christ's yoke is easy and his burden is light. Even if it doesn't always look that way. Even if it

00:50:07.420 looks like it's the way of the martyrs. I would work that out first. I think that it might be a

00:50:15.100 little difficult or it might involve some discipline in the short term. But I would never give into

00:50:22.560 despair and I would never fling yourself. You know, there's the sort of despair of, oh, my life's never

00:50:28.280 going to get better. And the sort of despair of, I'm going to fling myself into something immediately

00:50:32.200 because I have, I have no idea what else to do. And that could create further problems as well.

00:50:36.700 I would investigate first. What was the nature of your marriage? At the very least,

00:50:40.800 why did the marriage fall apart? And was it, was it a valid marriage in the first place?

00:50:44.800 From Aaron. Michael, huge fan of the show and all the other Daily Wire material. My question for you

00:50:50.460 has nothing to do with politics or the culture war that is going on right now. Actually, I was curious

00:50:54.920 if you are ready for the upcoming cicada arrival now that you're living in Tennessee.

00:50:59.100 DC. Speaking of scenes from the Bible, yes, I am preparing myself for the actual biblical plague

00:51:07.960 that is supposed to be happening. Apparently trillions of cicadas, these hideous, gross,

00:51:13.280 gigantic bugs are about to come out and they're especially going to come into DC. Not, not great

00:51:19.300 stuff. Very, very bad stuff. I'm preparing myself to not leave my home for a couple of months.

00:51:24.560 From Sarah. Since you show a passion for history, I was wondering who you thought were a few of the

00:51:31.200 most important women in history, not including the Virgin Mary. Thanks. Well, you know, you'd have to

00:51:35.680 include the Virgin Mary. I guess most of the women that I think of as the most important in history

00:51:40.740 are saints. You know, I think of Saint Lucia. I think of Saint Catherine of Siena. I think of Saint

00:51:48.840 Therese of Avila. I think of these very important, Therese of Lisieux for that matter. Very important

00:51:55.080 reformers, very important people. There have been important statesmen too. I mean, obviously,

00:51:59.980 Elizabeth I was extraordinarily important. Elizabeth II was extraordinarily important,

00:52:03.800 even if I don't totally go along with everything that they did. Queen Isabella, oh my gosh,

00:52:08.520 she was essential toward the creation of America. She counts too. But they all do seem to have this

00:52:13.520 religious grounding as well, right? Isabella, devout Catholic, the Elizabeths, heads of,

00:52:21.660 head of a church, you know. Elizabeth, it's kind of weird that Elizabeth II is head of a church

00:52:26.600 when no one in her country seems to believe in that church anymore. But, but she doesn't. So yes,

00:52:32.040 I think those women are plenty in statecraft, but they do all seem to have a kind of cultural and 0.99

00:52:36.620 religious basis too, as does all politics. Got to take a break. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the

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Ep. 759 - Caitlyn Ain’t Conservative

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