Ep. 759 - Caitlyn Ain’t Conservative
Summary
Caitlyn Jenner speaks out about her campaign for Governor of California, why she's running, and why she thinks it's a good idea to run for President in 2020. Plus, a look at why Liz Cheney is so afraid of the January 6th riot in Washington.
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Lots of conservatives are embracing Caitlyn Jenner's candidacy for California governor.
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And you know that I have been a little slower to embrace the stiletto-clad decathlete.
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And a lot of people have said, oh, that's terrible, Michael.
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It's transphobic. It's no, let's do it. It'll be great.
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Right. Caitlyn is totally going to turn California conservative again.
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Well, now Caitlyn has spoken out for the first time about his campaign.
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You know, I can't, can I even get the words out?
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I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.
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My favorite comment yesterday from Sylvia J. Walker, who says, if Liz Cheney is so afraid
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of the Capitol riot on January 6th, what would she have done if she lived through Portland,
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What alternate universe was she living in then?
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When people like, it's not even just Liz Cheney.
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When, when these squishy Republicans, you parrot Democratic talking points and say that
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January 6th was the single worst, most horrific, shocking, terroristic event in the history of
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the United States. And they totally ignore what happened just six months prior during the BLM
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and Antifa riots. What they are telling you is not that they oppose political violence.
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It's that they think that some political violence is kind of justified and some political violence
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is totally unacceptable. And the political violence that comes from the left, even if
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they don't like it, they think that that is, look, we just have to expect that. That's just
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what they're going to do. And we're not going to do that, but we can't really stop that. So we're
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just going to tolerate the leftist political violence, but we're really going to stop it on
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Caitlin speaking out to Sean Hannity on Fox News. It was a very long interview. You can go watch the
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whole thing. It's, it's perfectly illuminating, but there were three distinct moments where I thought,
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okay, this is telling me what I need to know about the Caitlyn Jenner candidacy. The first one,
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it starts off well. It starts off with a recognition of my, what I think is perhaps the most
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important conservative virtue. It's certainly up there, which is prudence. It's the common sense. And
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that's what Caitlyn is going to base his candidacy on.
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I've kind of played around with that term. Um, and originally I started out as a compassionate
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disruptor. And then I was thinking the other day, I think I'm more of a thoughtful disruptor. I have
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common sense. Okay. I see what's going on and I see no common sense in politics and why they're doing
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it besides only for political reasons. A man dressed as a woman wearing high heels is telling
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you that he has common sense. And the thing is in California politics, it relatively, he probably
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does. And I do, I don't mean this in any insulting way. Bruce Jenner has been an outspoken sort of
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Republican, you know, more Republican than Democrat for a long time. And I think he actually does have
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a fair bit of common sense. There's just one problem. There's just one glaring problem that
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he fundamentally misunderstands human nature. Or if he doesn't even misunderstand it, if he merely just
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wills to contradict human nature, that's a problem too. You can't claim the common sense when you're a
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man wearing stiletto heels. You just can't, no matter how smart you are on fiscal policy. And I think
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he's fairly moderate and reasonable on fiscal policy, no matter how reasonable you are about
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crime, he's much more reasonable than any Democrat politician on crime in California. On immigration,
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we'll get to immigration in a second. He's a little squish on that. But sure, he, he has relatively more
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common sense on a lot of important policy issues. But he doesn't, he doesn't have common sense.
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Okay. But when it comes down to it, he doesn't have common sense. So on the parts where he's,
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he's relatively good as a candidate, what is that about? It's about the economy, stupid. To quote
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James Carville, it's all about the economy. I have always been on the Republican side just because I
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have conservative economic values. I, you know, the old same lower taxes, less regulations, you know,
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a more friendly business environment. And we don't have that in California, but socially,
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I've much, I've been much more progressive all my life. I get it. People do need help. You know,
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we need programs. But you cannot have social programs without an economy. Doesn't happen. You
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just don't have the finances do it. And that's what's happening here in California. And so it's
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been so frustrating for me. I don't care. I work, I honestly, I like everybody. I'm friends with
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everybody. I don't like everybody. There are people I don't like in life. I can get along with
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anybody, Sean. You know, I can get along. So honestly, I don't really care if you're a Republican,
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a Democrat, a libertarian, vegetarian, you know, it doesn't make any difference to me.
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Um, I want solutions. If the Democrats are able to come up with great solutions, I am behind that
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100%. Oh gosh, this is almost the worst answer he could have given because it starts off. Okay. He
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says, look, I want typical 2000s Republican economic policies. I want less regulation. I want
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lower taxes. I want a friendlier business environment. Okay. That's fine. Then he says,
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but on the social stuff, I'm, I'm quite progressive. Oh, well, that's not great because
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ultimately politics comes to culture and culture, culture ultimately comes to religion, right? That's
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where it derives from. And these religious premises, what is a man? What is a woman? What
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is our human nature? What are we here for? What are we doing? What is the nature of liberty? Is
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liberty the same thing as licentiousness or is it the opposite of licentiousness? Very important
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debates. Our founding fathers thought one thing, all the smart people throughout history and in
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politics thought one thing. And in modernity, we, we think another thing, but then he starts
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even beyond that where you think, okay, look, if, if you lower taxes, but completely gut the culture,
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that's not a good trade. That's the trade that Republicans made for 20, 30 years now,
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and it hasn't worked out very well for us. But also he's not even saying that he's that fiscally
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conservative because what he's saying is I, I, not only am I progressive in the sense that I think men
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can become women, I'm progressive in the sense that I think we should have a big welfare state,
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right? He's saying we need social programs, but you need a good economy to support that welfare
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state. He's basically just Bill Clinton. This is just what the new Democrats did. This is what,
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this is actually in terms of political analogies here, you had this period after Reagan,
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after the end of the cold war, you had George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush,
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and to a lesser degree, Barack Obama, who were all basically the same president.
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Certainly the two Bushes and Clinton, they had the same policies, make the economy better for business,
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especially big business, and make, permit basically anything anyone wants to do on the social front
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and support the consequences of those lifestyles with bigger government programs.
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That's what they all did. So if you want to go back to Bush and Clinton,
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vote for Caitlyn Jenner. That's what you're going to get. And then you just get into the pandering,
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which is so Clintonian. So, and, and actually fairly bushy as well. Remember you had Ronald
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Reagan who says, I'm a conservative. Then you had Bush come in, Bush the first, and he says,
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we're going to be a kinder, gentler nation. And Nancy Reagan famously responded,
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kinder and gentler than whom? How dare you, George Bush? You're insulting us.
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Then you had Bill Clinton come in because I feel your pain. And then you had George W. Bush say,
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I'm going to be a compassionate conservative. What? As opposed to all the cruel,
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inhumane conservatives before them. And that's what Caitlyn's saying here. Look, I get it. I get
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it. We need to take care of people. I'm just for solutions. I can, I get along with anybody. I love
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Sean's response. He goes, I don't know. I don't really like everybody. Some people I think maybe
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not. No, Sean, I get along with anybody. And then the tell that Caitlyn has here is he goes,
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and honestly, and honestly, and honestly. When people use the phrase honestly, or when they say
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to be honest, to be totally honest, that's always a big red flag to me. Because what that tells you is
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they haven't been honest with you up until this point. If you need to alert your audience to the
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times that you're being honest, then you're not being honest at other times. And then what I felt
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was really, really a low point of the interview of an already pretty low interview, he gets to a very
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important issue in California, immigration. Here's his answer. I am all for the wall. I would secure the
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wall. We can't have a state. We can't have a country without a secure wall. You have two questions here.
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One is stopping people from coming in illegally into the state. And then the second question is,
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what do we do with the people that are here? We are a compassionate country. Okay, we are a
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compassionate state. Some help. I mean, some people they're, we're going to send back. Okay,
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no question about that. But I have met some of the greatest immigrants into our country. I had a guy
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the other day, and he was Spanish, and I've known him for 17 years. He is the nicest, greatest guy he
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would make. I mean, I would do everything for him to stay here. And so you have to deal with it.
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We have to modernize. We have not modernized our immigration system in the United States to make
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it possible to people to immigrate into this country. It's such a ridiculous. Would you allow
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this? Such a ridiculous. We haven't made it possible for people to immigrate in here. We take more
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immigrants than anyone else on earth, and it's not even close, and we've done it for 60 years.
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What are you talking about? We need to make it easier for people to come into this country. Make
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it easier. The majority of Americans want to dramatically reduce all immigration, both illegal
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and legal immigration. According to fairly recent polls, there's a great Harvard Harris poll that
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shows this. What on earth are you talking about? Well, look, look, I think we need to build a wall.
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Yeah, I support, I support immigration enforcement. Okay, I'm with you so far. And we need to grant
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amnesty to the people who are here. What? Why? Oh my gosh, Caitlin, you want to give a path to
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citizenship to tens of millions of voters who are going to skew overwhelmingly Democrat?
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Sorry to break it to you. There have been plenty of public opinion surveys about this and wishcasting
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about how these illegal aliens are Republicans. They just don't know it yet. That's just not true.
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It never shows up. There's no evidence of that. So you're saying,
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let me catch my breath here. I'm so frustrated by this. You're telling me I've got to give up
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gender, the gender ideology. I've got to totally accept that. I've got to give up the fundamental
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distinction in human nature. Totally mainstream this delusion, which we've at least generally held
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the line on in the Republican Party and in the conservative movement for some years now.
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I've got to give that up so that we can get a squish Republican who is fairly immoderate on economics,
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who is politically totally unpracticed, and who wants to give amnesty to tens of millions of
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illegal aliens. And who's going to lose the race, by the way? That's why I've got to give up the most
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fundamental premise that the left is trying to push and has been trying to push for years.
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Totally crazy. It just shows you the naivete, the political ignorance, where he says, look,
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what do you, you've got to do something with the illegal aliens. No, you don't. No, you don't.
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They came into this country illegally. I'm not saying you've got to deport them all. That's
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probably impractical, but why on earth do you have to give them amnesty? Just, just leave it as is,
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but, but they're living in the shadows. Yeah, they should leave. They broke our laws and they're in our
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country illegally. I, I think they should leave, but if they're not going to leave, you don't need
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is not even his policies, which are pretty squish. In some cases, they're further left than most Democrats.
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And in some cases, they're just kind of moderate. I don't know, Arnold Schwarzenegger type Republican,
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Bushy Republican, Clinton type of policies. Okay, whatever. Is that better than Newsom? Maybe,
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maybe not. Okay, fine. But the real issue is no matter how much Caitlyn says, we are,
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I'm not going to push the transgender ideology. If you elect a man who thinks he's a woman
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to high office, you are mainstreaming it, especially if you are the party that is at least nominally
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standing against it right now. Democrats are already trying to mainstream, but if the Republicans do it,
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then that's over. That's it. We have conceded that. There are conservative commentators and
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conservative politicians who refer to him as her. And I get why they do it. It's hard not to do it.
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I did it the other day by accident. I was talking to someone. I said, well, I don't know. I think
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she's pretty. I said, oh my gosh, I'm doing it now too. Because it's a very seductive ideology.
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I'm not saying Caitlyn Jenner is seductive. I'm saying the ideology is very seductive.
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And people are doing it on television, on the conservative, putatively conservative news shows.
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They're calling him her. We will be doing that. And that is too great a cost for sort of slightly,
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maybe more conservative economic policies and basically the same immigration policies,
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maybe a little slightly more conservative. It's just not, not worth it as far as I can tell.
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Um, because that is, that ideology is very dangerous. You're seeing it being mainstreamed
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right now, not just in politics, but in Popeye's chicken shops, there was a fella dressed up as a
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lady who had a breakdown because allegedly some guy at a Popeye's, my favorite chicken shop,
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called him, sir. I'm going to be talking to your manager. This guy called me, sir.
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I get this out of every f***ing get. Everywhere I go, I get called, sir. I'm so f***ing sorry.
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Why would you call a ch***? Big ass t***. You're a f***er. Why would you call?
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I didn't say that. No, stop trying to gaslight trans people and tell us that we're crazy.
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Wait, what? Did you call me, sir again? What was that? You said, good night, sir.
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This is transphobic harassment. You're a f***ing bigot. All right, Alex, you know what? I can't
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wait to just, it's a slur. Do you not understand? It's like if you call the person that color the
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N-word. Don't f*** it, sir. You did on the way out. I don't care. I have the right to be pissed
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about it. You f***ing did. You f***ing did. You f***ing did. You liar. Cis people need to be
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held accountable for how they treat trans people. And I'm not going to put up with this s*** anymore.
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You're crazy, bro. You're a f***. Don't call me f***ing broke. Stop f***ing throwing slurs at me,
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you f***ing piece of s***. So this guy obviously should not be in a chicken shop. He should be in
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a padded cell because he's not in his right mind. If conservatives mainstream Caitlyn Jenner,
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then that crazy guy is right. Then the guy throwing the big fit, screaming the words,
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that guy is in the right. And the Popeye's employees, if they called him sir or whatever,
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they're in the wrong. Because we will be tacitly, but clearly accepting the premise that a man really
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can become a woman. And so even beyond the guy freaking out in Popeye's, when you hear these
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promises, well, look, we support gender ideology for adults, but not for children. What are you
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talking about? That doesn't make any sense. Either a man can become a woman or he can't become a woman.
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If he can become a woman, that's true for children, just as it's true for adults.
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If he can't become a woman, that's true for children, just as it's true for adults.
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It's not even a slippery slope. It's just this, it's just, you're there. It's just the same thing.
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And so we can say, no, no, but we're going to protect children from this. Why? If it's true,
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then why would you protect children from the truth? And if it's false, why would you mainstream it?
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Why would you embrace that? You think, you think that, I'm talking to those conservatives who want
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to mainstream Caitlin. You think that you can just keep these, these declarations about reality
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totally private. What you're embracing is the Anthony Kennedy view that at the heart of liberty
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is the right to define our own conception of existence, of, of life. This is what Antonin
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Scalia mocked as the sweet mystery of life passage from the ridiculous decision, Planned Parenthood
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The, you, you, obviously you do not have any right to define your own conception of existence in
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reality. Reality has the right to, to impose itself upon you. Because also if you have 300 million
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people defining their own concept of reality, then you, you have an insane asylum nation, right? You
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don't, you can't actually have a nation because we have to agree on certain things. We have to be at
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least playing theoretically in the same, in the same game here. And reality doesn't change just because
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you want it to change. You think you can keep these things private, but the, your private act,
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this is where the, the radical left actually gets it pretty right. Your private actions do have an
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effect on public life. But, but we hear from the left and we hear from the squish Republicans, they
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say, oh, just mind your own business. Just, hey, if that guy wants to make a nuisance of himself in
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Popeyes, mind your own business. Well, those guys in Popeyes were minding their own business, but that
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guy wouldn't let them mind their own business. Samantha Bee just made this point. You don't think that a man
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should wear stilettos, mind your own business. This year, we're seeing a tidal wave of transphobic
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legislation targeting kids, largely in retaliation for President Biden's executive order to protect
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trans rights. Conservatives are staging a coordinated attack on trans kids by making up a problem that
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absolutely doesn't exist. Most of the legislators who sponsored anti-trans bills this year can't even cite a
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single instance where trans girls competing in sports has caused problems. Rather, these laws stem
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from the very incorrect misconception that trans women are not women. They falsely claim trans women
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automatically have more testosterone and therefore more muscle mass than cis women. But studies don't
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show a consistent relationship between testosterone and athletic performance. So why are conservatives
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actually targeting trans athletes? Fear mongering, baby. Just like with the bathroom bills,
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Republicans are trying to scare their base into voting for people like Governor If Life Didn't Go
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Well Pat Sajak. Let's be real. Conservatives don't actually care about this. They just want to
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politically profit from excluding trans people from yet another public space. At the end of the day,
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Republicans need to stop policing other people's bodies, mind their own business and let trans people
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live their lives. Yeah, just mind your own business. So obviously the factual claims she's making are
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just completely wrong. The idea that there's no evidence that there's ever been an athletic issue
00:22:55.440
here. There's a court, there's a case at the Supreme Court right now that's working its way up the
00:22:59.380
courts that the Alliance Defending Freedom is working on. I think we've talked about it on the Daily Wire
00:23:03.140
quite a lot. So yes, it has happened many times. The idea that the anti-trans bills are infringing on
00:23:11.560
trans rights. No, the question is, what is the definition of a person? These Republicans,
00:23:16.360
they don't really care about this. They just, they just want to harm people. They just want to,
00:23:21.380
you should just mind your own business. We are minding our own business. Why don't you mind your
00:23:25.080
own business, Samantha Bee? Mind your own business. We're here. We've been in this society now and in
00:23:31.120
civilization for, I don't know, ever, you know, just about forever. We've, we've been from primitive
00:23:37.520
man all the way up to this alleged height of civilization that we're living through right now.
00:23:42.640
We have always, at all times everywhere, believed that men are men and women are women. So
00:23:46.800
just mind your own business. And if you, you disagree with that reality, then just stop pushing
00:23:52.020
this on me. But this has nothing to do, this has nothing to do with minding your own business.
00:23:57.020
This has everything to do with, with dominating the business, with declaring the rules of
00:24:02.420
engagement, with defining the standards. What, you know, you, you always hear this. Well, hey,
00:24:10.640
get, get your, get your morality out of my politics. Well, you're, Samantha Bee is imposing
00:24:15.500
her morality on our politics. Get your religion out of my politics. You're imposing your religion
00:24:18.680
on my politics. Your religion says a man can be a woman. My religion says it can't. Only one of those
00:24:23.440
religions is going to win out. And I think it ought to be mine because mine's correct. So, and
00:24:28.520
everyone has agreed with that for all of human history until about five seconds ago.
00:24:32.420
You can't just keep these things private and conservatives worse than leftists almost have
00:24:37.400
given into this idea. Well, just leave me alone. Get off my lawn. Yeah, that, that goes only so far as
00:24:44.380
the force of law comes in and tells you that you, your worldview is no longer permissible. And that's
00:24:51.920
the point that we're at right now. This stuff is going on in, in first grade. Uh, YAF, Young
00:24:57.080
America's Foundation just uncovered this in a first grade class in Bellingham, Washington. A teacher is
00:25:01.280
educating her children in transgenderism, reading a book, some transgender book. Teacher's name is
00:25:06.340
Jennifer Miller. She said, yes, I did read the book. As a district, we're working hard to support all
00:25:10.460
members of our school community and promote inclusion through understanding and compassion.
00:25:14.920
Concerned parents reached out to administrators, but they refused to take action. Why? Why did they
00:25:19.220
refuse to take action? Well, the president of the school board operates a sex boutique called Wink Wink
00:25:24.100
in downtown Bellingham, which is a quote, gender inclusive woman owned all ages, sex shop, all ages.
00:25:33.600
What on? So it's a kid's sex shop. You're a, huh? Well, that's just her private life.
00:25:42.480
That's just her private views. No, it clearly has public effect as well. This sort of thing is being
00:25:48.640
mainstreamed and conservatives are just, we're twiddling our thumbs when we're not outright
00:25:54.800
embracing it. This kind of stuff going on in schools. There's a report out from the New York
00:25:58.520
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The New York Times. By one estimate, 3 million students nationwide, roughly the school-age population
00:26:44.520
of Florida, stopped going to classes, virtual or in-person, after the pandemic began, according to
00:26:51.760
the New York Times. Now, notice what they do here. This is very relatively subtle for the Times,
00:26:59.220
but they say 3 million students, roughly the school-age population of Florida, stopped going
00:27:05.060
to classes. They're doing this because there is a prejudice in this country against Florida,
00:27:09.520
against the South generally and against Florida specifically. You know, Florida man,
00:27:12.200
all those kooky rednecks in Florida. The Florida kids didn't stop going to school.
00:27:16.940
Florida is the most open state in the country. The kids who stopped going to school are in Chicago
00:27:21.220
and New York and California and all over, all over those places. But they, they point, they say,
00:27:26.600
oh, it's because it's the numbers, right? It's just making a comparison by the numbers. No,
00:27:29.980
they're trying to insinuate that it's somehow Republicans' fault or the rednecks or the Southerners.
00:27:35.000
No, it's not. It's the libs that are keeping the kids out of schools. But frankly,
00:27:39.740
I'm not sure that's such a bad thing. Conservatives, we just get so,
00:27:46.360
we're our own worst enemy so much of the time. Because we point out that these schools are
00:27:51.780
indoctrinating children into radical leftist ideology that teaches them to hate their country,
00:27:57.060
to question their own nature and doesn't, doesn't teach them or offer them a liberal education.
00:28:03.320
So that's what's going on in the schools. Then along comes this virus and takes the kids out of
00:28:08.360
schools. And then we complain that the kids aren't in schools. Isn't that a good thing?
00:28:12.940
Isn't this an opportunity to rethink our education system? I understand it's, it's hard for students,
00:28:18.800
especially the social aspect. It's really hard. And it's especially bad if they're not,
00:28:22.300
if when they're at home, they're not even learning the, the basic sort of edifying things that they
00:28:29.720
would have been learning in school. The parents should step up there. The community should step
00:28:33.120
up there. Yeah, I, that's, I don't, I actually mean to minimize the experience of the students.
00:28:38.220
But the government education in this country, I mean, public education broadly, I mean,
00:28:44.160
even including a lot of the private schools here is very destructive. So if, if we have this
00:28:49.840
opportunity where 3 million kids are not being steeped in that kind of insanity, maybe we should
00:28:55.020
take that opportunity. I think the libs would take that opportunity. They never let a crisis go
00:28:58.640
to waste. The population of Florida, Florida is doing just fine. Thank you very much. And Ron
00:29:04.600
DeSantis is taking victory laps because this guy has been right about coronavirus from the beginning
00:29:09.280
and he's fighting back again. He just gave a press conference. You'll notice he's looking a little
00:29:13.900
thinner. He's wearing better tailored suits. It's almost like this guy has his eyes on a bigger job.
00:29:18.720
I don't know. I'm not, I'm not making any predictions here, but one might think he's
00:29:24.340
setting himself up for 2024. Ron DeSantis says, we gotta, we gotta cut it out here with this
00:29:29.500
craziness at the CDC. Florida was right and everybody's got to open up. Think about the
00:29:34.100
larger implication of this. Do you want one unelected bureaucracy to be able to have the power
00:29:40.960
to indefinitely shut down a major industry in this country? They do not have that authority to do it.
00:29:47.460
That's why we're suing them. But this has much larger implications than just cruise ships sailing
00:29:53.120
or not. This has implications for potentially any industry. And look, with all due respect to the CDC,
00:29:59.860
I mean, if you look at some of the stuff that they've done on school openings, where they're
00:30:03.340
basically doing the teachers unions bidding, when they say these, these kids should be masked at
00:30:09.080
summer camp outdoors. I'm sorry. That's not science. That's politics.
00:30:13.580
That's not science. That's politics. It's a good line. Ron DeSantis is, is good at these lines.
00:30:18.780
He's obviously set himself up very well in 2024. And I, I'm not, I'm really not knocking him. He's
00:30:23.240
doing such a great job. I don't, I don't want to nitpick, but this distinction here, that's not
00:30:28.000
science. That's politics. That's a meaningless distinction in secular progressivism in a country
00:30:33.040
that's run by the administrative state. He says the CDC doesn't have any right to run our lives for us.
00:30:37.660
Yes, it does. Yes, it does. The progressives for a century now have empowered these agencies that
00:30:45.080
are relatively unaccountable to the people to run our lives. They've done that. And that is the way
00:30:49.740
our government works. I know it doesn't look like it works that way in the constitution, but that is
00:30:53.800
how our government works. And we have outsourced through the progressive project, our political
00:30:59.040
decisions, largely to egghead experts who pretend that there's no debate over any political
00:31:04.100
questions because that's just what the science says. So the real issue here is not just, I fear
00:31:09.980
we fall into this trap where we agree with the left that, well, whatever the science says, we need to
00:31:16.720
follow that. The science should dictate our politics, but just in this case, that's not what the science
00:31:22.820
is saying. Just in this case with the CDC, they're not following the science, it's politics. No, we should
00:31:26.540
go back and say, no, I don't care what the science says. The science is, meaning this method of
00:31:33.320
material inquiry does not dictate my politics. I truly don't care. My issue with Dr. Fauci is not
00:31:39.900
just that he gets it wrong. It's that he shouldn't be running my life. He also gets it wrong a lot,
00:31:45.060
but that's, that's not the issue. My issue isn't just that the CDC is overstepping its bounds where
00:31:51.400
it gets to run our lives because of science. No, my issue is that the CDC at all is trying to run my
00:31:56.880
life. I don't mind the CDC giving advice. I have no problem getting the advice of experts,
00:32:02.140
but ultimately I want these decisions to be made by politicians. You know who the experts are at,
00:32:07.060
at politics in a self-governing republic? The people. We're the experts. We're the experts that,
00:32:13.260
that everyone's supposed to defer to within the constitutional boundaries. And that has been
00:32:18.820
totally disrespected. I'm not, DeSantis has done a great job, so I'm really not knocking him for it.
00:32:25.780
But it's, you got to watch the language. The language is very important here. The left has
00:32:30.820
wrought a lot of changes in society through subtle shifts of language, which is a topic I discuss at
00:32:35.800
great length, by the way, in my upcoming book, Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds,
00:32:38.920
available now for pre-order. The audio book, the autographed first edition, the Kindle, and the
00:32:43.920
hardcover. Speaking of the politics of science, Cori Bush, a representative on the democratic side,
00:32:53.360
wants you to know all about the politics of birthing people.
00:32:55.460
Every day, black women are subjected to harsh and racist treatment during pregnancy and childbirth.
00:33:01.800
Every day, black women die because the system denies our humanity. It denies us patient care.
00:33:07.460
I sit before you today as a single mom, as a nurse, as an activist, and as a congresswoman,
00:33:13.580
and I am committed to doing the absolute most to protect black mothers, to protect black babies,
00:33:19.660
to protect black birthing people, and to save lives.
00:33:23.960
As far as I know, Cori Bush supports abortion, so I don't think she cares at all about black babies.
00:33:28.580
And in terms of the birthing people, what's a birthing person? Oh, a woman. That's, but you're
00:33:31.880
not allowed to say woman anymore because the left embraced transgenderism. And guess what?
00:33:35.440
If the conservatives go all in on Caitlyn, we are implicitly, even if we say we're not,
00:33:40.380
we are implicitly embracing that kind of language too. She, this woman, Cori Bush, she, she might be
00:33:46.220
even to the left of AOC, though AOC had a pretty wild line. I have to get to it before the mailbag.
00:33:50.780
AOC is out defending Planned Parenthood for saving lives. She begins, she says,
00:33:56.340
conservatives, I don't want to hear it about Planned Parenthood when you support the death
00:33:59.820
penalty. First and foremost, I don't want to hear a single person on this committee or outside of
00:34:07.520
this committee talk about what, about valuing life when they continue to uphold the death penalty,
00:34:14.900
when they continue to support policies that disproportionately incarcerate and lead to the
00:34:20.140
deaths of black men and people throughout this country and uphold an absolutely unjust medical
00:34:28.120
system that exists for profit that allows people to die because they can't afford to live.
00:34:34.460
Put a pause right there. I don't have a lot of time, so we'll do this quickly.
00:34:37.420
Executing convicted criminals is different than murdering innocent babies.
00:34:41.140
The U.S. justice system over, it intentionally incarcerates criminals. That's what they go for.
00:34:48.040
If, if some groups commit crime at higher rates, that ain't the cop's fault. That ain't the system's
00:34:54.080
fault. It's a problem, but it ain't the cop's problem. And third, the United States has the
00:34:59.420
best healthcare in the world. That's why people from other countries that allegedly have better
00:35:02.800
healthcare, when they want good healthcare, they come to the United States. And then she goes on and
00:35:06.060
makes her real point. In addition to that, if we want to talk about Planned Parenthood,
00:35:11.460
let's talk about how many lives Planned Parenthood has saved and how many babies have been born
00:35:18.700
because of the prenatal care provided by Planned Parenthood. And if you don't, if you don't believe
00:35:25.120
it, and if you've never met a Planned Parenthood baby, I'm happy to let you know that I am one.
00:35:29.880
And that my mother received and relied on prenatal care from Planned Parenthood when she was pregnant
00:35:36.360
with me. And so if we're concerned about life, we don't get to talk about anyone else who's not
00:35:42.720
concerned about the full spectrum of that when we are upholding policies that kill people.
00:35:49.120
So that's obviously preposterous, the argument she's making. If AOC really, if her mother did go
00:35:54.820
to Planned Parenthood at various times, and I have no reason to believe that because AOC lies all the time,
00:35:59.340
but if that's true, if AOC slipped through the cracks of the abortionist ghouls at, at Planned
00:36:05.000
Parenthood, that's good. Good for her. That's a, that's a good story. The fact is that Planned
00:36:08.900
Parenthood kills hundreds of thousands of babies a year. Their business is abortion. If accidentally
00:36:14.580
some woman walks in and they don't, they're not able to get their fangs into them and, and convince
00:36:19.100
them to kill their babies, that is a happy accident that happens at Planned Parenthood. But the argument
00:36:24.440
she's making here is if you don't oppose the death penalty, you can't, you can't
00:36:29.200
oppose abortion. Not true. If you don't support socialist medicine, you can't oppose abortion.
00:36:33.860
Not true. You can, you really can. You don't need to fall for the traps that the left is laying before
00:36:39.320
you. Even when that involves candidates on our own side that are, that are, I think, tricking us
00:36:46.440
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it out. We'll be right back with the mailbag. Welcome back to the show. First question from Lisa
00:38:09.120
Marie. Hey, Michael, I have a problem at work. I recently moved to a new city for work and have not
00:38:14.600
fully settled in. There is a guy at work I have a crush on, but there are a few complications.
00:38:19.960
He is much younger than me. I'm Catholic and he's a practicing Jew and I am about five inches taller
00:38:25.960
than him. Do you think this is too much of a divide to be bridged? Does height and age really matter?
00:38:32.400
Thanks a lot. Sincerely, Romeo and not a Juliet. Well done. Well done, not a Juliet.
00:38:40.860
Yet, there are a lot of complications here. Not the least of which you don't even really
00:38:47.000
get to it or acknowledge it, but not the least of which is you work together. So if things don't
00:38:52.380
work out, it could be a little bit awkward. It could be even worse than awkward. So, you know,
00:38:57.880
you got to take that into consideration. Plenty of people meet at work, so I'm not,
00:39:00.460
I'm not saying that's a deal breaker, but something to consider. In terms of the age,
00:39:05.680
age, it could be an issue. The only, the only way it would be an issue necessarily is with kids.
00:39:10.980
I think, I mean, you know, age creates complicated. I've, I've friends who are married who have big
00:39:15.640
age gaps and it can be a problem. It's not always a problem, but it can be. But with kids, it could
00:39:20.160
really be a problem because if, if the timing is not going to work out and he really wants kids,
00:39:25.340
then probably this thing isn't going to work for you. As for the religious issue, if you want to be
00:39:31.880
married and remain Catholic, you know, if you want, if you want to be married in the church,
00:39:35.640
then you would have to agree to raise children Catholic. That's the way that you would get a
00:39:39.720
dispensation from the bishop for an interfaith marriage. And really, really he would have to
00:39:45.540
convert, right? Because you, you need to be unified. You can't have a family that believes radically
00:39:53.840
different things like that. And if the man is going to be the head of the household, which is pretty
00:39:59.220
traditional, then if you're not going to convert to Judaism and as a fellow papist, I would suggest
00:40:06.420
you do not do that, then you would have that trick. And that's not impossible. Plenty of people
00:40:12.320
start out believing different religions and then they come together, but, but you'll either grow
00:40:16.580
together or grow apart. Not saying you can't go get a drink with the guy. In terms of the, the height,
00:40:23.380
you know, if you don't have a problem with it and he doesn't have a problem with it, then who cares?
00:40:25.940
You know, think about Nicolas Sarkozy, the former prime minister of France, who, you know, he was
00:40:30.200
dating that hottie who was much taller than him and that was, made him look like an even cooler guy.
00:40:34.760
So that, I wouldn't worry about that. But, uh, and in terms of, you know, in terms of the age,
00:40:38.540
it's there, that is a little bit more difficult than it, than it would be, uh, in terms of height.
00:40:45.020
But, you know, you could suss it out. You don't need to decide whether or not you're going to spend
00:40:48.980
your lives together on, on the first date. Uh, but you shouldn't drag it along either and put
00:40:54.240
yourselves in a bad situation. That'll be harder to get out of. From Jared, dear Michael,
00:40:58.800
my brother's wife has excluded me from mother's day because I have not gotten vaccinated.
00:41:04.180
Oh, my parents and every other adult who will be at the celebration have been vaccinated,
00:41:08.620
but she doesn't want me exposing my seven year old niece. Who's at what? Like 0.00001% risk or
00:41:16.340
something. That's not an exact figure, but it ain't that far off. I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I'm 31 years
00:41:21.500
old, had COVID last December, and I don't understand how a vaccine can improve my own
00:41:25.800
God-given immunity. I respect her impulse to protect her child, but I don't see how my presence
00:41:30.580
puts my niece at any more or less risk. My sister-in-law is acting out of fear at best and
00:41:36.240
at worst, passive-aggressively punishing me for not marching to the beat of Fauci's drum.
00:41:39.900
What would you do? Well, I might, I might, uh, tell my brother that he could consider acting like a
00:41:45.380
man and get control of his household. Good grief. Is your, just your, uh, clearly your sister-in-law
00:41:51.000
wears the pants in the family, doesn't she? Goodness gracious. He's just, your brother is
00:41:55.920
letting your sister-in-law tell his family what to do. There are clearly deeper problems here than,
00:42:04.020
than the vaccine and the neurosis that your sister-in-law is, is expressing with the vaccine
00:42:09.900
clearly is given free reign in that household. So that would be, that's the first problem. Your
00:42:14.460
brother is the first problem. But, uh, and if you look at the statistical likelihood that a seven
00:42:20.100
year old child is going to face serious complications from COVID, it is, it's virtually
00:42:25.040
non-existent. So that's not a good argument. Uh, and yeah, I, I would not do it. I would not,
00:42:32.000
I would not get the vaccine for that reason. Um, I wouldn't want to miss out on Mother's Day either.
00:42:38.140
So I'd try to arrange maybe, you know, you have breakfast with your mother or something like that.
00:42:42.240
But if your sister-in-law is going to boot you from the dinner or from the lunch for a
00:42:47.120
completely bogus reason and your brother is gelded and refuses to tell her no, then what,
00:42:54.500
what can you do? You know, you don't, you shouldn't acquiesce to that sort of ridiculous demand and
00:42:58.480
maybe go get breakfast or go get a different meal instead. From Sandy, last week Walsh had a segment
00:43:04.240
where he dissected a statement that Steve Harvey made on how it's impossible for a single man to be
00:43:08.900
just friends with a single woman. Man, I'm getting a lot of relationship questions today.
00:43:12.200
Uh, he agreed with Harvey, but what is your take? Yeah, basically that's true. It's, it's,
00:43:20.880
it's difficult for married men to be friends with single women. It's not impossible. It can happen,
00:43:27.380
but it has to be the case that you've got, you know, you're not sexually attracted to one another,
00:43:33.640
that the, that your wife is part of that friendship too, then it can, then it can work.
00:43:38.640
But if a, if a married man is friends just completely on his own with a single woman,
00:43:44.740
that can create some complications. Um, in terms of single men and single women, yeah, it's, it's
00:43:52.100
virtually impossible to do it unless you're really not in any way attracted to one another, but, but
00:43:58.460
that's rare and that sort of thing can change as well. So, and the question is if you're a single
00:44:03.920
man and a single woman and you really enjoy spending time together, then why would you want
00:44:08.740
that to remain totally asexual or platonic or whatever? Why, why would you even want to do that?
00:44:16.220
If you, you know, if it's working out, then why don't you, you know, see where it goes. From James,
00:44:21.640
Michael, I want to push back respectfully against your thoughts on Caitlin's run for governor.
00:44:26.500
Wow. That's funny. Cause the, obviously this question came in days ago and then my show today
00:44:29.300
was all about this. Isn't it possible for the GOP to support her run, especially if she has a viable
00:44:35.540
shot at winning without accepting the premise of transgender ideology? I'm not interested in owning
00:44:41.060
the left, although it would be a great trolling opportunity, but can't someone vote for Caitlin
00:44:44.840
without accepting the transgender issue? Please keep up your great work. You're the most base toast
00:44:48.660
at Daily Wire. Thank you very much for the compliment. No, it is not possible. And you just proved it
00:44:56.560
because what did you say? I'll pull it up right here. You said, isn't it possible for the GOP to
00:45:04.200
support her run if she has a viable shot at winning without accepting the premise of transgender
00:45:11.300
ideology? You just accepted it. You, the, the premise of transgender ideology is that a man can
00:45:16.380
become a woman and we ought to treat men who, who believe that they are women as women. And you just
00:45:22.760
did that. And you didn't mean to, I assume. I assume it just happened because you look and he's
00:45:26.820
wearing stilettos and he's wearing a dress often and he's got long hair and he vaguely resembles a
00:45:30.780
woman and everyone else is calling him her. So you're going to go along with that too.
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The most ardent opponent of this madness and the most ardent defender of reality will
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crack a little bit if the whole culture is telling you that the man is a woman. And if even the
00:45:50.820
putative conservatives are going along with it, I don't, I'm not, I'm trying not to be totally
00:45:55.900
closed-minded here. Never say never in, never say never Trump, right? For instance, never say never
00:46:00.460
in politics, but I just do not see a way for conservatives to embrace, even if Caitlin isn't
00:46:08.460
particularly conservative anyway, but even if he were, even if he were the most hardcore knuckle dragon
00:46:13.380
right-winger. I don't see a way for them to embrace him as her without giving up the game on
00:46:20.860
gender ideology, as I think you just demonstrated. From Daniel, I really love the show and I wanted
00:46:27.420
to tell you that it is largely due to you that I am joining a local church. Hey, great. A couple
00:46:32.260
years ago, I got divorced, which was at fault against me for reasons I won't get into in the
00:46:37.160
mailbag. I'm working on fixing the damage to others and myself that I caused, but what I wanted
00:46:42.560
to ask is how could I possibly move forward? My friend tells me that now I need to just jump back
00:46:47.300
into dating. However, I have a huge feeling of guilt from the divorce, even still. And if I find
00:46:52.140
someone, I don't want to bring that in and have another failed relationship because of it. If you
00:46:56.160
have any good advice, it would be welcomed. But if there is no good advice, then honesty will be
00:47:00.220
appreciated as well. Either way, I know that whatever you say, the results will leave me
00:47:04.280
speechless. Oh, but you know, that's my new book. That's the title of my new book coming out.
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Controlling Words, Controlling Mindset, available now for pre-order. Very difficult situation. I'm
00:47:12.080
so pleased to hear that you've joined a local church and I'm very pleased to hear that I had
00:47:16.400
some role in that. Drew Clavin tells me that whenever that sort of thing happens, we get a
00:47:20.320
toaster in heaven. So that's great. I'm very excited. You're in a very difficult position. You should
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not listen to your friends. Your friends just might not know what's going on. Here's a hard saying,
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my friend, sorry to tell you this. You can't get divorced. You can't do it.
00:47:39.380
Now, the question of divorce is a question of what is the marriage? What was the marriage?
00:47:45.620
So I'm speaking here as a Catholic. This is the old timey view. This is the longstanding
00:47:51.800
Christian view of marriage and divorce. What God has joined together, let no man separate.
00:47:59.300
Now, if you've split up and you say it was your own fault, and sure, these things happen. People
00:48:07.680
get divorced. I totally get it. It's in the Mosaic law, right? If you split up, you get divorced.
00:48:17.800
This does not mean necessarily that you can never date again and that you can never marry,
00:48:21.840
but what you have to determine is whether or not your marriage was a valid marriage in the first
00:48:28.200
place, which is why the process here in the Catholic church is not divorce. One cannot get
00:48:33.780
divorced, but there is an investigation for the purpose of annulment. And what annulment says is
00:48:39.180
not, okay, you had a marriage and now you're going to dissolve that marriage. What annulment tries to
00:48:43.880
figure out is, did you have a valid marriage in the first place? Was something concealed before the
00:48:48.680
marriage that makes a fraud or a farce of that marriage vow? Did the people who were getting
00:48:57.260
married know what they were getting into in the first place? Now, the difficulty for you, I'm not
00:49:02.180
sure if you're Catholic. I suspect you're not by saying I joined a local church and say, you know,
00:49:06.880
you're kind of just getting into this. Back when I was coming out of my 10 years of atheism,
00:49:10.800
I checked out some other Protestant sorts of pastors and things too. So I understand that process.
00:49:16.240
I'm not familiar with a non-Catholic process for this investigation, this type of annulment.
00:49:25.460
So obviously I recommend the Catholic way to do things. But you should figure that out first
00:49:31.500
because you, I think your, your intuition is totally right. And you're going to have the
00:49:37.800
whole culture telling you you're wrong, but you're totally right. If you've got these unresolved
00:49:41.320
questions, these unresolved issues, you shouldn't just immediately jump into another relationship.
00:49:45.440
But then you could get married and then that could be failed as well. You, you need to work these
00:49:49.800
things out first yourself. And ultimately what are you working at? You're working at your own
00:49:53.360
salvation with fear and trembling. And you're, you're trying to figure out things that, and you're
00:49:58.100
hearing things that might be hard sayings, but you remember as you've joined your local church that
00:50:01.860
Christ's yoke is easy and his burden is light. Even if it doesn't always look that way. Even if it
00:50:07.420
looks like it's the way of the martyrs. I would work that out first. I think that it might be a
00:50:15.100
little difficult or it might involve some discipline in the short term. But I would never give into
00:50:22.560
despair and I would never fling yourself. You know, there's the sort of despair of, oh, my life's never
00:50:28.280
going to get better. And the sort of despair of, I'm going to fling myself into something immediately
00:50:32.200
because I have, I have no idea what else to do. And that could create further problems as well.
00:50:36.700
I would investigate first. What was the nature of your marriage? At the very least,
00:50:40.800
why did the marriage fall apart? And was it, was it a valid marriage in the first place?
00:50:44.800
From Aaron. Michael, huge fan of the show and all the other Daily Wire material. My question for you
00:50:50.460
has nothing to do with politics or the culture war that is going on right now. Actually, I was curious
00:50:54.920
if you are ready for the upcoming cicada arrival now that you're living in Tennessee.
00:50:59.100
DC. Speaking of scenes from the Bible, yes, I am preparing myself for the actual biblical plague
00:51:07.960
that is supposed to be happening. Apparently trillions of cicadas, these hideous, gross,
00:51:13.280
gigantic bugs are about to come out and they're especially going to come into DC. Not, not great
00:51:19.300
stuff. Very, very bad stuff. I'm preparing myself to not leave my home for a couple of months.
00:51:24.560
From Sarah. Since you show a passion for history, I was wondering who you thought were a few of the
00:51:31.200
most important women in history, not including the Virgin Mary. Thanks. Well, you know, you'd have to
00:51:35.680
include the Virgin Mary. I guess most of the women that I think of as the most important in history
00:51:40.740
are saints. You know, I think of Saint Lucia. I think of Saint Catherine of Siena. I think of Saint
00:51:48.840
Therese of Avila. I think of these very important, Therese of Lisieux for that matter. Very important
00:51:55.080
reformers, very important people. There have been important statesmen too. I mean, obviously,
00:51:59.980
Elizabeth I was extraordinarily important. Elizabeth II was extraordinarily important,
00:52:03.800
even if I don't totally go along with everything that they did. Queen Isabella, oh my gosh,
00:52:08.520
she was essential toward the creation of America. She counts too. But they all do seem to have this
00:52:13.520
religious grounding as well, right? Isabella, devout Catholic, the Elizabeths, heads of,
00:52:21.660
head of a church, you know. Elizabeth, it's kind of weird that Elizabeth II is head of a church
00:52:26.600
when no one in her country seems to believe in that church anymore. But, but she doesn't. So yes,
00:52:32.040
I think those women are plenty in statecraft, but they do all seem to have a kind of cultural and
00:52:36.620
religious basis too, as does all politics. Got to take a break. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the
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