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00:00:00.000 New reports show that the coronavirus vaccine may be causing inflammation of the heart,

00:00:05.360 myocarditis, in some teens and young adults. Teens and young adults who face statistically

00:00:12.160 very, very, very little risk from the virus itself. This is not some kooky conspiracy theory

00:00:18.420 or some unsubstantiated meme floating around the internet. This is according to a report from the

00:00:24.100 CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. Rand Paul gets Dr. Fauci to change his story again

00:00:30.720 on Wuhan Institute funding. An anti-cop radio host kills a cop. And Democrat Senator Tammy

00:00:36.380 Duckworth spills crocodile tears over the Republican threat to our democracy. I'm Michael

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00:03:05.220 If I had told you yesterday on this show that there are reports that in some cases, I'm not saying

00:03:10.940 it's a lot of cases, but in some cases, the vaccine is causing inflammation of the heart

00:03:15.840 in otherwise healthy teenagers, young adults. I probably would have been kicked off of YouTube.

00:03:21.600 I'm frankly, I may well be kicked off of YouTube for saying it today, but today it's a lot harder

00:03:26.020 for them to kick me off of YouTube because the CDC is acknowledging that this is a problem and

00:03:32.240 they're investigating it. All of which is to say, you know how much I hate to mention that I told you

00:03:39.320 so, but I suppose I will do it here. The argument for vaccine hesitancy among young, healthy people

00:03:48.640 doesn't require the science or the studies or the investigation or the CDC. It's a very simple

00:03:57.460 calculation. We've had a virus now for about 18 months, a virus that almost certainly leaked from

00:04:04.360 the Wuhan laboratory. We'll get to that in just one second. We have a virus that has been around for

00:04:09.100 about 18 months now. We know a little bit about it. I'm not even saying we know a ton about it,

00:04:13.200 but we generally know what coronaviruses are. We know a little bit about it. And we know with this

00:04:17.120 virus, just because of our year and a half of experience with it, that young people are at

00:04:21.340 statistically virtually no risk whatsoever, right? We have a vaccine that's been around for what,

00:04:28.540 about seven months now? And we don't know very much about it. And it was developed very hastily.

00:04:34.780 And it uses sort of vaccine technology that we have not seen used widely very much before.

00:04:40.400 And so if I'm a young, healthy person, I'm going to take those two factors into consideration.

00:04:46.760 And I'm going to make a prudent judgment. I'm not saying I'll never get the vaccine,

00:04:52.200 but conservatives generally speaking would prefer the devil we sort of know to the devil that we

00:04:57.800 definitely don't know, right? It's a very basic judgment. And then every time one of these stories

00:05:02.480 comes out, they say, well, but it's very rare. The blood clotting in the women, it's very rare.

00:05:06.400 Well, the myocarditis in men is very rare. Okay. I don't care how rare it is.

00:05:11.760 What's the rarity of otherwise healthy young people dying of the coronavirus?

00:05:17.240 Without comorbidities, then it's truly basically zero. And even with comorbidities,

00:05:23.140 it's still pretty rare. You're not allowed to use this kind of judgment. You're not allowed

00:05:27.660 to use prudence. You're not allowed to use your own common sense. It's the, it's the issue of

00:05:32.980 the Wuhan lab. Anybody with two brain cells to rub together knew that it was very likely that this

00:05:37.920 virus had something to do with the lab that was studying these sorts of viruses that 400 yards

00:05:43.240 away from the Wuhan wet market where the thing allegedly began. But when we said this, when we

00:05:47.620 just used our common sense a year ago, we were told the fake news, there were fact, there were actual

00:05:51.800 fact checks, fact checks that now have had to be changed. I guess the facts are changing too.

00:05:57.060 The facts didn't change. It's, it's the permission of what sort of facts we're allowed to say.

00:06:02.280 And even Dr. Fauci, the expert himself, the exalted one, Dr. Fauci is admitting sort of,

00:06:09.980 you know, it's very, he's very clever with his language. He's admitting sort of that he got a very

00:06:14.480 important thing wrong. Do you remember, what was it a week or two ago when Rand Paul, excuse me,

00:06:19.500 Dr. Rand Paul, a U.S. Senator was grilling Dr. Fauci and he said, hey, Dr. Fauci, do you regret

00:06:26.440 that the NIH was funding gain of function research that was associated with the Wuhan Institute? Dr.

00:06:34.940 Fauci totally denied it. Dr. Fauci, do you still support funding of the NIH funding of the lab in

00:06:42.340 Wuhan? Senator Paul, with all due respect, you are entirely, entirely and completely incorrect

00:06:50.060 that the NIH has not ever and does not now fund gain of function research in the Wuhan Institute.

00:07:00.800 Do they fund Dr. Barrett? We do not fund. Do you fund Dr. Barrett's gain of function research?

00:07:07.040 Dr. Barrett does not doing gain of function research. And if it is, it's according to the

00:07:13.140 guidelines and it is being conducted in North Carolina. Dr. Barrett does, this is a direct

00:07:20.840 quote. Dr. Barrett does not doing gain of function research. And if it is, it's totally whatever.

00:07:27.520 Right. That last, the last few words there was not a direct quote, but that was the gist of it.

00:07:32.820 You can tell he's getting tripped up on this. You can tell he doesn't like that Rand Paul is pushing

00:07:37.360 this because of how tripped up he gets on the grammar. Dr. Barrett does not doing gain of

00:07:42.580 function research, but if it is, it's happening in North Carolina. So even the words are messed up

00:07:49.960 and the structure is ridiculous. What you are suggesting is just not happening, but also if it

00:07:55.080 is, it's totally fine. Well, what is it then? You can't say definitely not happening, but also if it is,

00:07:59.900 it's totally fine. Because he knows that Rand Paul is catching him here. What is gain of function

00:08:04.860 research? Everyone's using this fancy term. Just means you beef up natural viruses. You humans go

00:08:09.720 in, you beef up natural viruses, and then sometimes they escape the Wuhan lab. So he was denying this

00:08:17.200 a week or two ago. Yesterday, Republican Senator John Kennedy was grilling him and Dr. Fauci,

00:08:24.440 he leaves a little more wiggle room because he doesn't want to be perjuring himself before the Senate.

00:08:28.240 How do you know they didn't lie to you? Excuse me, sir? How do you know they didn't lie to you

00:08:34.300 and use the money for gain of function research anyway? Well, we've seen the results of the

00:08:39.960 experiments that were done and that were published and that the viruses that they

00:08:45.440 studied are on public databases now. So none of that was gain of function. So how do you know they

00:08:53.720 didn't do the research and not put it on their website? There's no way of guaranteeing that.

00:09:02.080 But in our experience with grantees, including Chinese grantees, which we've had interactions

00:09:08.560 with for a very long period of time, they're very competent, trustworthy scientists. I'm not talking

00:09:14.500 about anything else in China. I'm talking about the scientists that you would expect that they would

00:09:19.220 abide by the conditions of the grant, which they've done for the years that we've had interactions.

00:09:24.600 So you don't think the Chinese would lie to you?

00:09:27.300 You know, Kennedy is great because he's a very intelligent guy, but he plays this really down

00:09:33.740 home. Like, so hold on, you're, you're telling me that they are doing this sort of thing or they may

00:09:39.140 be doing this sort of thing in Wuhan and your only assurance that they're not as their word for,

00:09:44.760 is that it? Well, yes, the Chinese would totally never lie to us. I'm very smart. I'm Dr. Fauci and

00:09:52.720 I totally believe the Chinese communist government. But no, actually what Fauci says is, no, I believe

00:09:58.760 the scientists, you see. I don't know about the government, okay, but I believe the scientists.

00:10:05.520 The scientists are the government. The scientists are controlled by the government. It's China.

00:10:10.840 China. And it's, it's government research too. It's not, no, they're totally above board. No,

00:10:18.100 they're not. They're not. And they hid this for months and months and months. I actually have a

00:10:23.920 sneaking suspicion. This is a slight digression. I suspect that Dr. Fauci has heard my impression of

00:10:28.800 him because I've noticed in recent days, I don't want to flatter myself or anything, but in recent

00:10:33.400 days he's been trying to tamp down his Brooklyn accent, but I, I, he's not fooling anybody. Okay. I just

00:10:39.900 wonder. I don't know. I don't have evidence for it. It's just my common sense. All right. I know

00:10:43.680 you're not allowed to use that. So Fauci says he can't guarantee that the money that the United

00:10:49.940 States taxpayers under his watch sent to the Wuhan Institute, he can't guarantee that it wasn't used

00:10:57.400 for the sort of research that we know that the Wuhan Institute was engaged in and which

00:11:01.100 very likely was the cause of shutting down the world for the past year. Okay. So now Rand Paul comes

00:11:06.840 out there. Rand Paul, who's really done a great, just as a political maneuver, he's done a great

00:11:10.840 job of setting himself up as the foil to Dr. Fauci. He proposed a ban, full ban on gain of function

00:11:17.320 research in China on the floor of the Senate yesterday, received applause and an ovation.

00:11:24.820 We may never know whether the pandemic arose from the lab in Wuhan, but we do know that so far,

00:11:31.400 no intermediate animal host has been discovered. Thousands of animals at the wet market have been

00:11:37.420 looked at. None of them have carried COVID-19. We've tried to infect COVID-19 into bats. It doesn't

00:11:44.260 grow well in bats. It seems most adapted and suitable for humans. We may not know whether this

00:11:50.240 ever arose out of a Wuhan lab, but I think gain of function research where we take a deadly virus,

00:11:56.620 sometimes much more deadly than COVID, and then we increase its transmissibility to mammals is wrong.

00:12:02.640 In 2014, NIH stopped all of this research. I'm using the same definition to say any gain of function

00:12:10.280 research should not be funded in China with U.S. taxpayer dollars, and I recommend a yes vote. Thank you.

00:12:16.620 All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Opposed, nay.

00:12:19.960 Aye. It seems as if the ayes have it. The amendment is agreed to.

00:12:29.980 Cheers. Do you hear that? Of course the ayes have it. What? I don't care how radical a senator you are.

00:12:34.940 I don't care how pro-China you are. You're not going to say, no, I think we should keep

00:12:38.300 allowing the Chinese, I think we should keep funding the Chinese communists to create and beef up

00:12:45.640 deadly viruses to shut down the world. Of course not. So it's a voice vote. It goes all for the ayes,

00:12:50.220 and then they cheer afterwards. Raises a question, though. If everybody's cheering for this sort of

00:12:55.660 thing, if everybody's cheering and saying, do not fund the Chinese to do this kind of research,

00:13:02.200 who thought this was a good idea? There were Republicans and Democrats in that chamber,

00:13:07.120 senators from both parties. Who thought it was a good idea to fund Chinese communists to beef up

00:13:14.460 deadly viruses to make them more transmissible to humans? The answer? The geniuses. Dr. Fauci,

00:13:22.880 all the eggheads, all the geniuses, they thought that was a great idea.

00:13:29.500 Rand Paul is a very astute politician. Clearly a pretty good scientist too, but an astute politician.

00:13:36.000 So he goes out and he says, hey, we're going to ban gain-of-function research in China.

00:13:39.600 Everybody cheers him on. And yet we have been doing this. We have been funding this Wuhan Institute

00:13:46.640 of Virology and even Dr. Fauci, who's very, very precise with his language. He's always trying to

00:13:53.160 leave himself little outs. Even he's saying, yeah, I guess it's possible that we funded the gain-of-function

00:13:57.800 research. And we know because we were funding certain doctors that may not have been doing the

00:14:01.520 research in Wuhan, but the research was going to Wuhan. Okay. Why are these guys, why are the people

00:14:11.300 who think it's a good idea to fund Chinese communists doing the sort of research that can

00:14:16.480 lead to these deadly viruses, why are they the ones who have so much political power, who have so little

00:14:22.500 democratic accountability? Why have we enabled them to run our country? Because it's progress,

00:14:29.020 because they're the scientists, because they know what's best. Much better than people who just have

00:14:33.200 common sense and prudence. Much better than people who were elected by the people. Much better than

00:14:38.760 our representatives, right? Wrong. Wrong. This is a repudiation of the progressive pretense

00:14:46.780 that the genius eggheads in the lab coats can run our lives better than we can. This whole year and a

00:14:52.300 half has been a repudiation of that. Every single Democrat in that chamber that was applauding in

00:14:58.880 both parties. And there are some, there are some dumb senators in there. Okay. I don't, I hate to put

00:15:04.840 it that bluntly, but there are some people who don't have a very high IQ. There are some people who

00:15:08.720 didn't do very well in their SATs who are in that chamber, who are nonetheless better at governing

00:15:14.920 than Dr. Fauci, who I suspect has a very high IQ and probably did very well in his SATs.

00:15:22.660 That's, isn't that a very strange fact about our government? Now, I don't want to say too many nice

00:15:26.320 things about the Democrat senators because the Democrat senators and Democrat politicians for

00:15:31.660 a hundred years are the ones who have allowed us to get to this situation where the egghead idiots are

00:15:36.220 the ones who have, have made such poor decisions. They pretend that progress, scientific progress,

00:15:46.020 all the technocracy is just an extension of our democracy rather than a repudiation of it. You hear

00:15:51.660 this kind of thing a lot. A Democrat, Tammy Duckworth just came out and not on the Wuhan point, but

00:15:57.600 actually on, on the point of following President Trump and the direction of the GOP. She says that

00:16:03.080 Republicans would rather defend Trump than defend our democracy. Time and again, they've chosen to

00:16:10.660 stand with Donald Trump and his lies and, uh, time and again, when they've been given the opportunity

00:16:15.520 to do so and, and when push comes to shove, they fold and they stand with Donald Trump and they have

00:16:20.420 shown that they would rather choose Donald Trump, uh, over the truth. They would rather defend traitors,

00:16:25.580 uh, and spread lies than defend our democracy. Uh, and so I, I, you know, I, I wish I could say I, I,

00:16:32.080 I was surprised, but I'm not because they, they've done this time and again, when they, when push comes

00:16:37.160 to shove, they choose Donald Trump over our democracy.

00:16:41.960 You know, Tammy Duckworth is not among the brightest bulbs in the Senate pack. Uh, she is reciting

00:16:48.920 a usual talking point. It's, it's one of my least favorite slogans in all of politics. I think this one

00:16:56.100 is even worse than the country over party line. You know, that we are, you need to choose country

00:17:01.080 over party. And what the only thing that ever really means is you need to side with the Democrats

00:17:05.480 over the Republicans country over party. Now you're just choosing one party over the other party.

00:17:10.460 But this is a similar one is you're choosing Trump over our democracy. What does that mean?

00:17:15.840 People support Donald Trump because they think he's good for our democracy and you Democrats don't

00:17:21.140 support democracy very much at all. You support nine elected lawyers, nine rather appointed lawyers

00:17:29.700 on the Supreme court taking decisions away from the people. You support the Dr. Fauci's of the world

00:17:35.320 taking decisions away from the people. You support all sorts of anti-democratic institutions. You

00:17:42.480 support censorship from big tech technology companies. You support woke corporations undermining

00:17:48.480 the will of the people in Georgia, for instance, to beef up their, their election integrity laws.

00:17:54.340 There's a great line I read from Angelo Cotevilla at the Claremont Institute,

00:17:58.560 where he pointed out that whenever Democrats invoke the phrase, our democracy,

00:18:03.040 they're referring to their oligarchy. Pay attention to it every time they use it.

00:18:08.860 Our democracy, this is, Tammy Duckworth here is criticizing Republican voters

00:18:14.460 for speaking to their Republican elected officials who are using their own judgment and

00:18:22.640 channeling the will of the people. And Tammy Duckworth says this is a threat to our democracy.

00:18:29.320 What are you talking about? That's the expression of our democracy.

00:18:33.320 That's such an empty line. It's such an empty line. And look, there are plenty of criticisms of

00:18:38.980 democracy, plenty of criticisms that our founding fathers made and are the framers of our

00:18:42.280 constitution made. You can read about them in the federalist papers. So I'm not, I'm not saying

00:18:46.020 that I think we need a, I'm a democracy purist or no, I like constitutional government. But if you

00:18:52.720 had to choose right now, which party in the United States is the more pro-democracy party, there's no

00:18:56.720 question that it's the Republicans. Democrats don't like our democracy. They are now openly telling us

00:19:04.240 that when they get into positions of power, they are going to do their best to undermine some of our

00:19:11.100 basic civil rights in our democracy. For instance, the right to keep and bear arms. Senator Cruz just

00:19:19.480 grilled Joe Biden's ATF nominee, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. Three of my absolute

00:19:27.720 favorite things that come under heavy scrutiny from the federal government. The ATF nominee admitted he

00:19:32.940 wants, he wants to ban the most popular rifle in America.

00:19:36.440 The AR-15 is one of, if not the most popular rifle in America. It's not a machine gun. It's a rifle.

00:19:45.740 Your public position is that you want to ban AR-15s. Is that correct?

00:19:50.220 Senator, thank you for the question. And thank you for our visit yesterday and offering me a Dr. Pepper.

00:19:56.920 It made me reminisce about my time in Central Texas. But now to your question. With respect to the AR-15,

00:20:03.380 I support a ban as has been presented in a Senate bill and supported by the President. The AR-15

00:20:15.080 is a gun I was issued on ATF's SWAT team. And it's a particularly lethal weapon. And regulating it as

00:20:23.780 other particularly lethal weapons, I have advocated for. As ATF director, if I'm confirmed,

00:20:31.560 I would simply enforce the laws and the books. And right now, there is no such ban on those guns.

00:20:38.580 So you want to ban the most popular rifle in America?

00:20:42.180 You've got to love Senator Cruz here. This guy is so good at being a senator. I don't just say it

00:20:49.280 because we host the show together. I don't just say it because he's a friend of mine. He's really good.

00:20:54.340 The Biden ATF nominee, he's trying to do that Washington thing. He's trying to really,

00:20:58.320 you know, present himself as totally above board guy. He's flattering Ted Cruz. He's creating

00:21:03.760 rapport. Oh, he says, so, hey, hey, ATF nominee, you want to ban the most popular rifle in America?

00:21:09.160 He goes, Senator, I just want to begin. Thank you for, thanks for giving me that Diet Coke or whatever.

00:21:14.020 Dr. Pepper. Oh, yeah, that brought me back. That doctor. I love Dr. Pepper. Yeah, that's great.

00:21:19.100 I had a great time with you yesterday, Senator. So, yeah, you know, I look, I think I would want to

00:21:24.100 ban the gun, but you know, look, there'd be laws and this and that. Cruz just doesn't even move. He

00:21:28.000 just goes, yeah, okay. So you want to ban the most popular gun in America. Is that right? Well,

00:21:33.460 yeah, yes, yes, you can't get around that. He does. And credit to this ATF nominee. I'm sure he

00:21:40.440 couldn't hide it. I'm sure there were public statements to this effect, but he comes out and

00:21:44.800 he says, yeah, I do. I want to ban the most popular rifle in America. That cuts to the heart of

00:21:52.340 our democracy. That cuts to the heart of our civil rights. It's one of the most important

00:21:56.640 civil rights in our country, the ability to keep and bear arms. And we're not even talking about

00:22:00.760 some fully automatic weapon. We're not talking about pistols, which are used in a whole lot of

00:22:05.440 crime. We're talking about rifles, which are used in relatively very few crimes, specifically that

00:22:12.980 AR-15. They want to get rid of it. Speaking of violence, a Biden campaign official is telling Jews

00:22:20.440 to stop wearing yarmulkes. Now, the Biden campaign official is Jewish himself. He was the, I think

00:22:26.520 he's Jewish. He was the lead Jewish outreach guy for the Biden-Harris campaign. He tweeted out,

00:22:32.740 it pains me to say this, but if you fear for your physical safety, take off your kippah and hide your

00:22:39.540 Magin David. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly. The Star of David, I suppose.

00:22:43.760 Obviously, if you can, ask your rabbi first. This is the wrong answer. This is sad that he would say

00:22:52.860 this. There is increased violence against Jews. It's not like there are pogroms or anything going

00:22:58.100 on right now, but there is increased violence from pro-Palestinian people. That's true. It's not from

00:23:03.000 conservative Christian Republicans. It's from pro-Palestinian people who I suspect side with the

00:23:09.180 left. And what this guy is saying is, hey, hide your religion. Hide who you are. Hide your identity.

00:23:15.320 Hide your religion. That's the wrong idea. I hear this a lot outside of the explicitly religious realm

00:23:20.340 and the political realm. People will sometimes say, hey, college kids, hide the fact that you're

00:23:24.740 a conservative. Just hide it. Just keep your head down. Then someday in the future, you can have

00:23:29.820 integrity. Wrong answer, guys. Courage is a virtue. It's not just a virtue. It's the prerequisite for all

00:23:36.380 the other virtues. If you don't have courage, you're not going to have any of the other virtues

00:23:41.580 because you're not going to be able to exercise them. Not surprised to see this coming from a

00:23:45.240 Biden flag, but really dispiriting to see. Really awful, awful thing to be telling people.

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00:24:57.020 for 20% off. We'll be right back with a lot more. The pro-Palestine stuff is really popular right

00:25:14.720 now. It's popular on the left, increasingly so, and in some corners of the right, it's increasingly

00:25:20.020 popular. And I sort of get why it's becoming a little more popular on the right. I think it's

00:25:26.780 because people are reacting to what they feel is an extremist position that we've seen for the past

00:25:32.060 couple of years, a couple of decades, rather. We were talking about this a little bit on the

00:25:35.040 backstage show last night. For the past couple of decades, we've been told Israel is America's

00:25:40.380 greatest ally, at least in Republican circles, the greatest ally ever, and you have to always

00:25:46.180 support Israel all the time, and if not, you're a no-good, dirty, rotten, unpatriotic American.

00:25:51.480 I'm being only slightly hyperbolic. And some people are looking at that and saying,

00:25:54.200 no, I don't owe an allegiance to a foreign country. That doesn't constitute my patriotism

00:26:00.280 in the United States. And so they'll react against that sort of thing. But to me, it's similar to when

00:26:05.940 people have been told their whole lives, if you're a white guy, you need to feel ashamed and terrible

00:26:12.080 because men are awful and white people are terrible. And so you can react in this sort of

00:26:18.340 juvenile way and say, actually, black people are terrible. Actually, women are terrible. You know,

00:26:23.520 you react in a kind of performative racist or misogynistic or whatever sort of way. But

00:26:28.580 that's not the answer. The appropriate answer is to use your common sense. I guess that's kind of

00:26:34.480 the theme of the show today, isn't it? Use your common sense and say, no, white people aren't

00:26:38.380 terrible at all. White people are perfectly fine. Actually, this was an explicit question that a

00:26:44.160 leftist commentator brought up. People are knocking for the question. We'll get to that in just a

00:26:49.960 second because the question I think is important for people to consider right now. But the appropriate

00:26:54.420 re-answer, I think, is to say, no, white people are perfectly fine. No, men, I think, are perfectly

00:26:58.600 fine. I think they have some virtues, actually, believe it or not. So this is how I look at the

00:27:03.000 pro-Palestine stuff. Susan Sarandon is a left-wing, far-left actress. She tweeted out,

00:27:09.520 I stand with the Palestinian people fighting against the apartheid government of Netanyahu and pray for the

00:27:14.800 Israeli people that they too will enjoy peace. I also support Bella Hadid, I don't even know who that is,

00:27:18.960 for having bravery to stand in solidarity with her people. That can be lonely.

00:27:25.600 Here's a good rule of thumb. If you don't know all the nuances of, say, the Israel-Palestinian

00:27:31.200 conflict, which very few people understand the nuances because the conflict goes back a very long

00:27:36.840 time, there are rules of thumb that we follow. Prudence, just prejudice. I know prejudice is a bad

00:27:45.040 word in recent decades, but we all need prejudice to form our, just to get through the world. What

00:27:51.540 is a prejudice? A prejudice is a not totally, rationally, abstractly formed opinion that we

00:27:58.320 just sort of receive. It involves gut instinct. It involves the received opinion of our forebears.

00:28:03.620 And that's how we get through the world. There are unjust prejudices, but there are just prejudices

00:28:09.200 too. Here's a just prejudice. If AOC, Ilhan Omar, Nancy Pelosi, Susan Sarandon, Bernie Sanders,

00:28:18.320 if all these guys are uniformly on one side of a political issue,

00:28:23.920 probably you should be on the other side. I'm not saying 100% of the time, but most of the time,

00:28:30.240 that's just common sense. A lot of this, a lot of the Israel-Palestine issue comes down

00:28:36.800 to race hustling. Okay. I think a lot of it comes down to this modern unjust prejudice that brown

00:28:44.220 people good, white people bad. I think we're taught that. I think people are taught that in

00:28:48.320 schools. They're taught to abolish whiteness. There are classes at universities about abolishing

00:28:53.840 whiteness. You hear this sort of stuff in workplaces and it's just wrong and stupid.

00:28:58.800 So Mark Lamont Hill, who is a leftist commentator, he's a black guy. He used to go on Fox News

00:29:06.360 sometimes, actually, I think. Mark Lamont Hill, I guess now has his own show and he was interviewing

00:29:11.220 Christopher Ruffo, who's doing excellent work at City Journal, exposing critical race theory,

00:29:16.120 which is one of the derivations of critical theory, which is one of the main topics in my

00:29:19.740 upcoming book, Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds, which is available now for pre-order.

00:29:23.160 Thank you so much to everybody who has pre-ordered. Apparently the pre-sales are going gangbusters.

00:29:27.280 They're going to have to print up more books. So we're very excited about all of that. You can get

00:29:31.100 a signed first edition copy over at Premier Collectibles. So Mark Lamont Hill is interviewing

00:29:36.220 Christopher Ruffo and he asks the question, if whiteness is not always a bad thing, what do you

00:29:43.380 like about being white? And if I were to say to you right now, Christopher, what do you like about

00:29:48.100 being white? What would you say? I don't know. Again, it's such an amorphous term. It's like a census term

00:29:56.120 or a crude, kind of dramatic term. But can you do me a fact? Indulge me. Indulge me for one.

00:30:00.620 Just we're running out of time. Indulge me for a minute. I understand you see it as all these

00:30:04.040 things, but you surely recognize that the world sees you as white. You know, the world reads you

00:30:07.820 as white. And if you were to ask me some things I like about being black, I could talk about cultural

00:30:11.880 norms. I could talk about tradition. I could talk about the kind of commonalities I feel around the

00:30:15.600 diaspora. If I were to ask you what, particularly if you're saying whiteness is a thing that is being

00:30:19.620 constructed as negative and shouldn't be, name something positive that you like about being

00:30:24.200 white. Well, sure. I'll answer with a thing. You're telling me you're making straw men about

00:30:31.100 things that are ascribed to whiteness that you think are wrongfully ascribed to whiteness. I'm

00:30:34.220 saying if whiteness isn't a negative thing and there's something that you actually, and that

00:30:37.800 whiteness actually shouldn't be constructed as all negative, name something positive about being,

00:30:41.560 that you believe is positive about being white. Again, I don't buy into the framework that the world can

00:30:47.960 be reduced into these metaphysical categories of whiteness and blackness. Oh man, this is a good

00:30:53.900 question. People are attacking Mark Lamont Hill for asking this question, but it's a brilliant question,

00:30:59.940 not because it stumps Chris Ruffo. Actually, the fact that Chris Ruffo can't answer the question

00:31:05.640 is the same reason why Mark Lamont Hill did answer the question. And it's just a fact of our culture.

00:31:12.220 Now you are not allowed to say that there is anything good about being white. And likewise,

00:31:20.080 you're not really allowed to say that there's anything bad about being black. You're not allowed

00:31:24.560 to say any, that there's anything about particularly good about white culture. You're not even really

00:31:29.500 allowed to say that there is a white culture. People who attack white people are allowed to say

00:31:33.700 there's a white culture, but people who are white are not allowed to acknowledge that there is any such

00:31:37.620 thing as a white culture. And it's not just a trick question. Because one of the, the trick

00:31:42.800 that Mark Lamon Hill could have thrown on Chris Ruffo here is he could have said, what's good

00:31:47.460 about being white? You're saying whiteness is not purely negative. Okay. So what's good about

00:31:52.080 being white? And then Chris Ruffo says, I don't know, whatever, you know, lobster rolls or

00:31:57.180 something. And, and Mark Lamon Hill could have said, how dare you, you racist. There's being

00:32:02.980 any race is neither good nor bad. It's just, you're racist. You think, but Mark does not say

00:32:08.780 that. He says, look, I'm black. I think there's some good things about being black. He says some

00:32:14.520 cultural norms, some commonalities. He's using really vague terms, you'll notice. But he says,

00:32:19.260 yeah, I think there are good things about being black, specifically about being black. So what

00:32:22.520 are some good things about being white? But you're not allowed to answer that. You're not allowed to

00:32:26.640 answer that. But I guess, I guess if you're allowed to say it about every other race, and I guess, I

00:32:31.920 guess, I guess you should be allowed to say it about being white, right? Chris, Chris's impulse

00:32:37.020 is to say, there's no such thing as white people. But Mark Lamon Hill is saying, no, there is. And

00:32:41.900 I'm, your skin looks different than my skin, whether it's a social construct or it's a biological

00:32:48.520 essential characteristic. There is such a thing as white people. So you tell me, I'm telling you that

00:32:53.720 there is such a thing as white people and it's totally negative. So you tell me there's something

00:32:57.520 positive. And I don't know, I guess if I had to answer the question, what would I say? What is,

00:33:00.840 what is good about being white? A lower risk of sickle cell anemia. That's pretty good,

00:33:07.620 right? I get, are we not allowed to say that's a good thing to be at a lower risk of sickle cell

00:33:12.620 anemia? Beyond that, I don't know. Some history, I don't know. There's some, one does take pride in

00:33:19.260 history, not pride in the sense of, you know, excessive love of one's own excellence, not pride,

00:33:26.460 you know, that, that goeth before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall. But one does take

00:33:30.700 some satisfaction in the history of one's community. This is true. Actually, Mark Lamon Hill

00:33:36.920 sort of alludes to it himself. So sure. Yeah, I think that's true. It's right. And the conservatives,

00:33:41.220 I think, ignore that or deny that at their own peril. We're conservatives. Obviously we like some

00:33:45.500 things about history. What else? I like sockless loafers. Is that part of white culture? I guess,

00:33:50.160 kind of. Yeah, I guess so. I like, what else do I like? I like the stiff upper lip. You know,

00:33:56.600 in English culture, this is not true of all white, white cultures. I guess you'd have to get a little

00:34:01.720 more specific. The Italians are not exactly known for the stiff upper lip. They're a little more

00:34:05.500 emotive. But the Brits are known for this. They don't make a big show of their emotions all the

00:34:11.740 time. They're not always whining and screaming unless they're Prince Harry. They push things down a

00:34:16.680 little bit and just go on and have a little manly courage. That's good. Is that good? Am I going to

00:34:21.580 get canceled for answering Mark Lamon Hill's question? I know that he's using this as a kind

00:34:27.980 of rhetorical tactic, but it actually shows you something very important, which is everybody else

00:34:36.320 has a racial consciousness and this is encouraged except for white people. And there's a trick even to

00:34:42.440 this. I mean, so there was a Pew Research survey that measured racial consciousness, measured it among

00:34:48.640 black people, Hispanics, Asians, and whites. Every one of those three groups said that their race,

00:34:54.400 the first three groups said that their race was somewhat or very important to their sense of

00:34:57.880 identity. Among black people, it was quite high. I think it was over 70%. And among Hispanics and

00:35:02.940 Asians, it was over 50%. Do you know what the number was for white people? 15, one five. White people

00:35:09.820 have basically no racial identity. Fine by me. I guess I count myself in that group of white people

00:35:16.120 who don't think about race very much at all. There's a reason for this, a practical reason,

00:35:20.720 which is in countries where you're the majority, you're, you're just not going to be that aware of

00:35:25.000 race. So it was perfect, perfectly natural. I think if I were walking around Tibet, I think I'd

00:35:29.060 probably be more aware of my race than if I were walking around Kansas City. However, there's another

00:35:35.340 reason here, which is that anti-racism is an idea that only exists in white countries.

00:35:43.620 There's no anti-racism in China. Okay. There's no anti-racism in, I don't know, Namibia or something,

00:35:51.880 right? There's no anti-racism in Saudi Arabia. Anti-racism, the idea that there are more important

00:36:01.840 things in life and race actually doesn't really matter that much at all in politics. That is a

00:36:06.400 Western idea and it comes from countries that at least historically are white countries.

00:36:11.920 So that's part of the trick here as well. You're not allowed to say it, but see how unstable that is.

00:36:18.000 See how, how many contradictions there are. See how uncomfortable that question,

00:36:22.920 line of questioning was. Because what Mark Lamont Hill is showing is that in our new racial caste

00:36:28.100 system, there is one set of rules for non-white people and there's another set of rules for white

00:36:33.660 people. It's this, this racial politics is a totally rigged game. And it's very effective for

00:36:42.580 the radical left. This is why the radical left is focused very much on, on racial politics.

00:36:47.840 Nicole Hannah-Jones is a liar. She's one of the most famous liars in the country. She's the person

00:36:54.200 behind the 1619 project at the New York Times. The central thesis of which is a lie. The lie that

00:36:59.840 the American revolution was fought to preserve slavery. It's just not true. She won the Pulitzer

00:37:03.900 prize for it. She won the MacArthur genius grant for it, but it's just not true. And the New York

00:37:09.780 Times even had to admit it. They had to correct the thesis. The whole thing fell apart. It doesn't

00:37:12.820 matter. It's being taught in schools because the New York Times spent millions of dollars to promote

00:37:16.360 the thing. So Nicole Hannah-Jones, who is, as far as I can tell, not particularly intelligent.

00:37:23.280 She doesn't have very many scholarly credentials. She's winning a lot of plaudits and awards from

00:37:27.620 the popular culture, but she's no scholar. She's a hack activist journalist. Well, she was teaching

00:37:34.580 at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. She was up for tenure and the board of trustees

00:37:38.440 denied her tenure. Of course, the woman doesn't even have a PhD. I'm not one for credentialism,

00:37:43.500 but it is very strange for tenured professors not to have PhDs. Very, very unusual. She's just not

00:37:51.660 fit for the job. Even if she did have a PhD, she wouldn't be fit for the job, but she certainly

00:37:55.840 doesn't now. So they denied her tenure. This created a big race hustling political problem

00:38:02.740 for UNC. Now she's up for tenure again. She was denied tenure according to the radicals because of

00:38:11.600 conservative groups and conservatives on the board of governors of the university. So I guess they're

00:38:17.060 saying conservatives are not allowed to have any influence over this public university. So now

00:38:21.360 1,619 alumni, get it? Wow. What a symbolism. Bought a one-page ad in a local newspaper saying,

00:38:29.480 quote, we are 1,619 University of North Carolina alumni outraged by the board of trustees failure to

00:38:35.220 approve a tenured professorship for UNC alumna and founder of the 1619 project, Nicole Hannah-Jones.

00:38:40.680 We demand that the board of trustees immediately revisit this matter. Grant tenure is recommended by the

00:38:45.300 appropriate faculty dean and provost and restore the integrity of our university. No university

00:38:51.500 with integrity would allow this woman to even speak there. The fact that this is even being

00:38:56.920 discussed, the fact that she's a graduate, raises questions about the integrity of that university,

00:39:01.740 that they would allow this woman to graduate with a degree in at least one fake department.

00:39:08.380 Hannah, Nicole, no, not Anna Nicole Smith, Nicole Hannah-Jones. Nicole Hannah-Jones tweets out,

00:39:12.560 this fight is not about me. We call on all people of conscience to decry this growing wave of

00:39:16.840 repression and to encourage a recommitment to the free exchange of ideas. I know she tweeted that

00:39:21.940 because it was written about in an article, but I didn't see it on Twitter because you know what

00:39:25.680 happened when I went to look at her Twitter? She blocked me. Nicole Hannah-Jones, who says,

00:39:31.640 we need to recommit to the free exchange of ideas and restore integrity. She blocked me. She doesn't

00:39:36.360 believe in the free exchange of ideas. She is a liar. She should not be at any university.

00:39:45.720 In our culture, we are rewarding bad faith actors. We are rewarding liars. We are rewarding people and

00:39:53.800 giving them positions where they can communicate their trash to the masses. And we are suppressing

00:39:59.460 voices that speak the truth. Father James Altman, Catholic priest in Wisconsin. You might remember

00:40:09.720 him because some of his homilies, some of his videos went viral during the election because he had the

00:40:17.220 audacity to defend Catholic teaching against the heresies of the radical woke left and the new

00:40:28.200 pseudo-religion of the radical woke left. Do you remember him? Take a listen.

00:40:31.920 There are way too many people who don't know the first thing about Almighty God, Father, Son,

00:40:37.600 and Holy Spirit. So truth be told, they do not love him. And so we can see in the many godless

00:40:44.180 politicians out there, in the godless educational system, in the godlessness of so many sheeples,

00:40:49.900 they most definitely are not serving him. They are not fulfilling their purpose in life to know,

00:40:54.960 to love, to love, and to serve God. Oh, you're just being political. Father Altman is too political.

00:41:03.200 Politics has no place in the Catholic Church. Baloney. Pope Benedict XVI said,

00:41:11.060 the church is not a political power, it's not a party, but it is, at least it's supposed to be,

00:41:16.920 it is a moral power. Therefore, since politics fundamentally should be a moral enterprise,

00:41:28.660 the church, in this sense, has something to say about politics. Therefore, when politics and

00:41:36.100 politicians act in an immoral way, we most certainly do have the duty and the obligation

00:41:41.200 to speak up and speak up about it. Absolutely. Absolutely right. I was very pleased to see

00:41:48.160 Father Altman's homilies and to see him speaking out on important moral matters. This is what good

00:41:55.980 shepherds do. So now he's being asked to resign by his bishop. The bishop, William Patrick Callahan,

00:42:05.180 last Friday, asked for Father Altman to resign for allegedly being, quote, divisive and ineffective

00:42:12.620 because of his controversial rhetoric defending Catholic teaching. Now, I do not want to just leap

00:42:24.140 to the conclusion that there's no issue here that's legitimate that the bishop does not have the right

00:42:30.220 to request this resignation. Father Altman, fortunately, has hired a canon lawyer and is fighting back in

00:42:35.160 appealing this up to the Vatican, as well he should. But the Catholic Church is not a democracy,

00:42:40.520 nor should it be a democracy. It's just not the way the body functions. The kingdom of heaven is not

00:42:45.540 a democracy either, so I understand that. But all too often, we have seen bishops, we have seen

00:42:53.980 priests, we've seen members of the episcopacy bowing down to the worldliness of our politics,

00:43:03.200 to radicals. You know, there was a move, there was a leak that the U.S. Council of Catholic

00:43:08.560 Bishops would hold Biden's feet to the fire on his scandal, the scandal that he so openly supports

00:43:16.160 abortion in contravention of the church teachings, among other things, by the way.

00:43:20.860 Very important matters on marriage, on all these sorts of things.

00:43:25.360 So we'll follow this story. I hope that Father Altman is permitted to speak. Very often,

00:43:29.800 some of the greatest priests, some of the greatest saints of the church have faced a lot of pushback

00:43:34.680 from their bishops. Saint Padre Pio among them. Saint John Henry Newman had some scuffles with his

00:43:42.560 bishop. So this is not unusual, but it should raise questions for people such as Bishop Callahan

00:43:48.800 and others who are attacking Father Altman. Are they really on the right side here? Are you sure?

00:43:54.480 If you're siding with radical leftists over a priest who is defending orthodoxy, are you sure you're on

00:44:00.780 the right side of that sort of thing? People are very confused about things that matter. Have you

00:44:04.020 noticed that? I have to address this. I posted something on, I didn't even post it. I gave a

00:44:09.620 speech for the Young America's Foundation. They posted a clip where I pointed out that I was making

00:44:14.740 fun of Asa Hutchinson, that governor of Arkansas, when Asa Hutchinson invoked Bill Buckley and Ronald

00:44:19.520 Reagan to defend castrating kids. And I said, you know, there are more important things in life

00:44:26.000 than occupational licensing reform. I said, if you're a conservative party that won't defend

00:44:31.820 children against the predations of perverts who are trying to castrate them, you're not conserving

00:44:36.620 very much. You know, I'm all for tax cuts, but there's more important things in life. So I posted this

00:44:40.660 and a bunch of squishes jumped on it and said, oh my gosh, are you crazy? Occupational licensing

00:44:49.060 reform is the most important thing in the world. I'm not opposed to occupational licensing reform.

00:44:55.480 I'm not opposed to tax cuts. But there are more important things in life. And I think a lot of

00:45:00.720 people, the kind of elite, sort of fashionable conservatives who pretend that all they really

00:45:06.020 care about is something like occupational licensing reform, that that's the only thing that matters.

00:45:10.820 They're really just trying to be liked by the left. What they're really saying is, no, you know,

00:45:16.300 I just care about these really specific economic issues of tweaking ways that the financial regulations

00:45:25.280 work. It's a way of avoiding difficult problems. It's a way of saying, look, I just want you leftists

00:45:32.080 to be able to do whatever you want, even more so, actually. I want to expand the things that you can

00:45:36.180 do. But that's just not enough. An effective conservative movement needs to tell people no.

00:45:42.540 You can't just tell people yes, yes, yes. It's got to tell people no. It's got to say, no,

00:45:45.640 you can't kill the baby. No, you can't castrate the kid. No, a little boy can't become a little girl.

00:45:50.160 No, I'm sorry. I know that's not going to make me popular. I know I'm going to get mean tweets.

00:45:54.720 But there are more important things in life than avoiding mean tweets. That's just the way

00:46:01.920 it is. I think a lot of the political battle right now, on the right, you know, there's the

00:46:08.940 Liz Cheney crew. There's the crew that pretends that tax cuts are just the only thing that ever

00:46:14.000 matters in politics. And there's the crew that's willing to engage in the social issues.

00:46:18.420 A lot of the difference there is between, are you going to go along to get along with this

00:46:22.220 increasingly insane liberal regime? Or are you going to fight back and you're going to be called

00:46:27.660 all sorts of names and racist and sexist and all sorts of stuff? As someone actually, when they saw

00:46:32.740 this clip that I posted pointing out that it's bad to castrate kids, they said, you're just ginning up

00:46:39.340 the culture war. You're pushing a moral panic. As if to say, hey, stop panicking and let us trans the

00:46:48.140 kids. But you see this on other issues. Stop panicking and let us kill the babies.

00:46:52.220 Stop panicking and let us sell out our national sovereignty to foreign nations like China.

00:46:58.940 No. No, we're not going to do that. But we'll give you tax cuts. No, still no. But if we don't

00:47:07.900 just go along with everything, the left might say mean things to us. Yes, they might. Get over it.

00:47:13.160 Courage is the prerequisite of all the other virtues. The only way that we're going to

00:47:18.540 defend anything that even slightly resembles our true democracy. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The

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Ep. 773 - “Our Democracy” or Their Oligarchy？

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