The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 78 - The Rapture

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00:00:37.660 Oh, oh no. Oh no. What have we done?

00:00:43.200 If only we had listened to Nancy Pelosi. 0.95

00:00:46.600 They're all dead. They're all dead because of a relatively modest tax reform package

00:00:52.920 that slightly lowers rates but doesn't even consolidate the brackets.

00:00:57.760 They're all dead.

00:00:59.380 Why didn't we listen?

00:01:01.420 We will discuss the reaction to tax reform passing.

00:01:05.080 Then, the great Matt Walsh, Paul Cardinal Bois, and Jacob Airy join the panel of deplorables

00:01:09.940 to discuss Nikki Haley's tough talk at the U.N. and Trump's threats.

00:01:14.420 The mother, who is only two months older than her daughter.

00:01:17.560 The Catholic sex abuse scandal 15 years later.

00:01:20.400 And most importantly, we debate.

00:01:22.700 Hashtag Never Santa conservatives who deny the war on Christmas.

00:01:26.840 I'm Michael Knowles and this is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:36.240 Republicans have finally passed tax reform.

00:01:38.760 Let's just take a live look at the House floor.

00:01:44.420 Wow.

00:02:00.420 Oh, no.

00:02:02.180 It's going to topple that.

00:02:03.680 Oh, the whole old wave.

00:02:07.080 Wow.

00:02:07.700 That is even worse than I thought it was.

00:02:09.520 That comet just striking the Earth.

00:02:11.260 Tidal waves everywhere.

00:02:12.580 Really, really bad.

00:02:13.780 It gets ugly in Washington, but that's really bad.

00:02:16.600 So, the apocalypse has happened.

00:02:18.780 It's all over.

00:02:19.520 We're all dead, I guess.

00:02:20.680 But you're still alive.

00:02:21.720 I don't know.

00:02:22.120 Maybe it was like the rapture.

00:02:23.580 All the good people went up to heaven.

00:02:24.920 And it's just you and me.

00:02:26.220 We're the ones that were left.

00:02:27.560 So, before tax reform, the Washington Post and the Wonk blog said, quote,

00:02:32.020 quote, Senate tax bill would cut taxes of wealthy and increase taxes on families earning less than $75,000 by 2027.

00:02:42.180 If the tax cuts are repealed, then they'll go back up again.

00:02:45.480 But by $75,000, they're going to raise the taxes.

00:02:47.580 Now, after tax reform, the Washington Post got a little bit more honest.

00:02:50.960 They said, quote, the tax bill is likely to become more popular after passage.

00:02:56.020 But here's the truth, it says.

00:02:58.000 Eight in ten Americans will pay lower taxes next year, according to the Nonpartisan Tax Policy Center's analysis of the final bill.

00:03:05.220 Only 5% of people will pay more next year.

00:03:08.000 That's me, mostly.

00:03:09.180 Mostly, those are folks who earn six figures and own expensive houses and places with high local taxes, such as New York and California.

00:03:16.680 Really, they forgot to include people who wrote a blank book one time.

00:03:19.940 We're all so lumped in there.

00:03:21.420 Forget owning a home or anything.

00:03:23.460 So that was the Armageddon.

00:03:25.480 Everything is going to be awful.

00:03:26.680 The taxes are going to go up on everybody until it happens.

00:03:29.240 And then they say, oh, well, never mind.

00:03:30.680 I guess actually all of you are going to get a tax cut.

00:03:33.840 Whoops, I guess we got it wrong a day ago and for the last three months.

00:03:37.320 In other news, AT&T just announced that it will pay, quote,

00:03:39.860 a special $1,000 bonus to more than 200,000 AT&T U.S. employees due to the tax reform passage.

00:03:47.400 It will also increase U.S. capital spending by $1 billion, billion with a B.

00:03:53.100 Boeing, not to be outshone, just announced $300 million in employee-related and charitable investments

00:03:59.720 to spur innovation and growth in response to the tax reform.

00:04:04.280 So it sounds pretty good to me.

00:04:05.720 I'm no expert on tax law or the economy, but it sounds okay.

00:04:09.600 Nevertheless, Democrats persisted.

00:04:12.220 Rosie O'Donnell wrote, in all caps, of course,

00:04:14.140 no, no, I will not kill Americans for the super rich. 1.00

00:04:19.160 I will kill them because slightly lower taxes kills people. 0.99

00:04:22.720 She also offered to pay $2 million to the senators to vote against the tax bill, 1.00

00:04:29.840 which is a felony.

00:04:31.060 It's a federal crime, but it's okay.

00:04:33.840 Ben tweeted out and said to lock her up.

00:04:35.840 Not a bad idea.

00:04:37.460 This is even as this is happening.

00:04:40.000 So it's going to be awful.

00:04:41.240 They know it's going to happen. 1.00

00:04:42.180 I can't imagine that they're so stupid and ignorant as to think that taxes are going to 1.00

00:04:47.380 kill people. 1.00

00:04:48.560 But then again, we're talking about lefty Democrats in Hollywood and D.C. 0.99

00:04:53.220 Not to be outdone by Rosie O'Donnell.

00:04:54.920 Nancy Pelosi one-upped her. 0.81

00:04:57.260 This GOP tax scam is simply theft.

00:05:02.960 Monumental, brazen theft from the American middle class and from every person who aspires 1.00

00:05:09.920 to reach it, the GOP tax scam is not a vote for an investment in growth or jobs.

00:05:16.560 It is a vote to install a permanent plutocracy in our nation.

00:05:21.880 They'll be cheering that later.

00:05:23.700 It does violence to the vision of our founders.

00:05:26.220 It disrespects the sacrifice of our men and women in uniform, who are a large part of our middle

00:05:32.500 class and to whom we owe a future worthy of their sacrifice.

00:05:37.260 Anything else?

00:05:38.080 Is there anything else, Nancy, in there?

00:05:40.660 Unbelievable.

00:05:41.100 So, according to Nancy Pelosi, letting people keep a little bit more of their money is theft

00:05:46.240 and taking more of their money is charity.

00:05:48.320 That's how it works in Nancy Pelosi's mind.

00:05:50.940 She says that it betrays the founders.

00:05:53.800 It betrays the founding vision of the founding fathers.

00:05:57.020 Just a little history lesson for Nancy Pelosi.

00:05:59.640 The first federal income tax was enacted in 1861.

00:06:03.140 All of the founders were dead, long dead by that time.

00:06:05.760 The first corporate tax was instituted in 1894, but that was ruled unconstitutional by

00:06:10.300 the Supreme Court.

00:06:11.260 Nevertheless, it was reinitiated in 1909.

00:06:13.860 And if my math works, the founding fathers who lived in the 18th century were no longer

00:06:18.480 alive.

00:06:18.840 They never had that vision.

00:06:19.680 They had no vision for a personal federal income tax or for a federal corporate tax.

00:06:25.820 She then, Nancy Pelosi, can't help but use veterans as a political prop here. 0.84

00:06:31.280 Men and women in uniform.

00:06:32.300 I have no idea why.

00:06:33.260 It has no relation whatsoever to this tax reform bill.

00:06:38.540 But Nancy Pelosi has never been beholden to the facts.

00:06:41.860 And don't worry, it gets even better.

00:06:45.580 At this news conference and on the floor, Democrats talk about this bill often in very

00:06:50.560 apocalyptic terms.

00:06:51.800 But isn't really what's going on is that many people are getting a very modest tax cut and

00:06:57.200 some people are getting a tax increase while a lot of this is also going to business, but

00:07:01.660 it's not the end of the world?

00:07:02.740 No, it is the end of the world.

00:07:04.340 This health care, the debate on health care is life death.

00:07:07.840 This is Armageddon.

00:07:10.520 This is a very big deal.

00:07:13.000 Because you know why?

00:07:14.500 There's really a very hard way to come back from this.

00:07:18.200 They take us further, more deeply into debt.

00:07:21.660 What can you do but raise taxes?

00:07:24.400 They contend that their gift to corporate America of a trillion and a half dollars could

00:07:31.000 be up to a trillion and a half dollars will be paid for by the growth it creates.

00:07:35.940 And even their own people say, nonsense, not true.

00:07:40.100 It is Armageddon.

00:07:42.700 No, no, no.

00:07:43.240 Hey, hey, wait, hold on.

00:07:44.180 It is Armageddon.

00:07:45.200 And obviously this rhetoric is insane.

00:07:47.340 So she's saying that it's a gift to corporate America.

00:07:50.460 It isn't a gift to corporate America.

00:07:51.660 It lets them keep more of the money that they've earned.

00:07:53.960 That's not a gift.

00:07:54.980 And maybe in Nancy Pelosi's mind it is.

00:07:57.000 But that isn't a gift.

00:07:58.600 And then she says, but it'll be, it's so hard to undo.

00:08:00.720 That's why her argument is it's Armageddon because it's so hard to undo this.

00:08:04.280 In order to undo this, Democrats will have to raise taxes.

00:08:07.840 You know, the thing that Democrats have always done since the beginning of time,

00:08:10.940 since the first sunrise on earth.

00:08:12.840 Yeah, that they'll have to do that.

00:08:14.140 It's very hard.

00:08:14.760 How, how would Democrats ever raise taxes?

00:08:17.620 I can't, I can't imagine.

00:08:20.240 Now I'm a little confused.

00:08:21.780 Democrats say that slightly lower tax rates will literally murder people.

00:08:26.300 It betrays the founding fathers.

00:08:27.880 It would result in Armageddon.

00:08:29.160 That seems to me like pretty reckless rhetoric.

00:08:32.540 Doesn't it?

00:08:32.840 That seems a little bit like reckless rhetoric to me.

00:08:35.340 But I thought it was Trump who used all of that reckless rhetoric.

00:08:38.520 Which is typical of the rhetoric, the reckless rhetoric you're hearing from the candidates,

00:08:43.040 especially on the GOP side.

00:08:44.380 I am prepared to, ready to actually take on those challenges,

00:08:49.780 not engage in a lot of, you know, irresponsible, reckless rhetoric.

00:08:54.020 Senator McConnell and all congressional Republicans' leaders have never taken a stand against Trump's

00:08:59.140 vile rhetoric.

00:09:00.580 You know, Hillary was saying, Donald Trump has to stop the rhetoric.

00:09:04.260 He has to stop it.

00:09:05.880 And my people are great.

00:09:07.480 It's these people that are the problem.

00:09:09.120 Well said.

00:09:12.080 Well said.

00:09:12.900 Yeah, his rhetoric is just fine compared to those guys.

00:09:16.300 They're the ones, they're constantly talking about, oh, the rhetoric, oh, the rhetoric, the rhetoric.

00:09:19.840 Listen to the way they talk.

00:09:21.540 Listen to what you just heard from them.

00:09:22.940 And then don't forget, the Democrats are the party that told you,

00:09:25.820 if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.

00:09:28.040 Obamacare wouldn't raise taxes or premiums, only later to admit, well, you didn't think

00:09:32.020 you'd get all that great stuff for free, did you?

00:09:34.280 The party who told you I did not have sexual relations with that woman.

00:09:37.120 The party who told you the terrorist attack in Benghazi, which they knew for certain to

00:09:40.640 be a terror attack, was really caused by a random YouTube video.

00:09:43.780 Then they imprisoned the guy for it.

00:09:45.220 The party who told you Trump could never win.

00:09:47.280 That said that none of Hillary's emails were marked as classified.

00:09:50.040 That said Hillary had turned over all of her work-related emails. 0.87

00:09:52.460 That told you Hillary had never been subpoenaed with regard to her email. 0.72

00:09:55.400 That told you Barack Obama had no knowledge of Hillary's private email server.

00:09:59.280 The party that told you Romney hadn't paid his income taxes.

00:10:01.880 The party that told you that net neutrality will end the internet as we know it.

00:10:05.240 Oh, God, did the feed cut out?

00:10:07.580 Because the internet as we know it is over.

00:10:09.320 So I presume, oh, no, it's exactly the same as it always was.

00:10:12.300 Now, those are just a smattering of the minor lies, completely untrue.

00:10:17.140 But some of these lies stick.

00:10:18.720 For instance, I bet if you went out on the street and asked anybody,

00:10:21.420 were there any weapons of mass destruction discovered in Iraq?

00:10:23.900 They'd tell you absolutely not. Bush lied. People died.

00:10:26.260 But there were weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq.

00:10:29.320 The New York Times even admitted that there were in 2014.

00:10:32.020 We found a ton of chemical weapons.

00:10:34.100 We found them as early as 2004, but we didn't tout it

00:10:36.880 because we were afraid that terrorists were going to go find them and use them.

00:10:39.480 So, total lie.

00:10:40.540 We're told by Hollywood, by the left,

00:10:42.300 that JFK was murdered by a right-wing conspiracy in Texas.

00:10:45.720 That's what that movie JFK is about, by Oliver Stone.

00:10:48.860 That isn't true. JFK was an anti-communist.

00:10:50.960 He was killed by a communist.

00:10:53.080 We know that he did it.

00:10:54.800 We know that he had connections to the Soviet Union and to Cuba and to Mexico.

00:11:00.000 He met with humans in Mexico.

00:11:01.740 Nevertheless, they create this total lie.

00:11:03.800 If you ask most people on the street, they would say,

00:11:05.240 oh, yes, dark forces of hate in Texas.

00:11:08.080 They've been spinning that yarn since the moment he was assassinated.

00:11:11.340 We were told by these people that the Russians hacked the election for Donald Trump.

00:11:14.740 There is no evidence of this, no evidence at all.

00:11:18.320 There is plenty of evidence that the Russians colluded with the Democrats,

00:11:21.740 but there's no evidence that the Russians delegitimized our election to give Donald Trump victory.

00:11:27.720 And they tell us this one, this one persists all the time, 0.99

00:11:30.640 that the Democrat and the Republican Party switched because the Democrat Party is trash. 1.00

00:11:35.420 It is an awful, awful party. 1.00

00:11:37.100 It's the party of slavery. 0.98

00:11:38.460 It's the party of cronyism.

00:11:39.720 It's the party of Jim Crow. 0.98

00:11:40.700 It's the party of urban destruction.

00:11:43.800 It's the party of stealing your wealth and your freedom. 0.93

00:11:46.920 And then they decided that one day, one day magically, and I don't know, like 1967.

00:11:51.820 Yeah, let's say 67.

00:11:52.800 We all just decided.

00:11:53.740 We all got together and said, okay, you Republicans, now you're going to be Democrats.

00:11:58.020 And we, Democrats, now we're going to be Republicans.

00:12:00.200 And that way we can get rid of all of our terrible history.

00:12:02.960 We're going to screw everything up in the future too.

00:12:04.740 And it's going to have perfect coherence with our founding principles as the oldest active political party in the world.

00:12:11.400 But no, we just switched one day.

00:12:13.660 If you asked most people on the street, they would tell you that.

00:12:16.480 They're taught that in schools.

00:12:18.040 They're taught that, not universities, high schools, even earlier than that.

00:12:22.780 Totalize, don't believe.

00:12:24.020 The next time they tell you that the sky is going to fall, remember this.

00:12:27.260 Remember those clips. 1.00

00:12:28.400 Remember Nancy Pelosi's crazy, frozen face and her ridiculous rhetoric. 1.00

00:12:33.060 Let's bring on our panel to discuss. 0.98

00:12:35.460 We have the first time on the panel of Deplorables.

00:12:37.280 Matt Walsh is here in studio.

00:12:39.840 Then we have Paul Cardinalbois and Jacob Airy.

00:12:44.360 I notice, gentlemen, thank you for being here.

00:12:46.180 Welcome.

00:12:46.900 I notice this is the first in-studio panel we've done during the Christmas season.

00:12:52.320 We have a little mistletoe back here, and it's an all-male panel. 1.00

00:12:56.060 I blame Marshall for this.

00:12:57.740 We almost exclusively do all-female panels. 0.65

00:12:59.920 It's the only reason I took this job.

00:13:01.180 And yet, it's all men today. 0.95

00:13:03.840 I'm very, very upset by all of this.

00:13:05.880 Matt, welcome to the show.

00:13:07.560 Let's get right in.

00:13:08.720 You have been critical of President Trump.

00:13:10.740 Slightly critical.

00:13:11.840 Slightly.

00:13:12.300 But now, we've got tax reform, like 28 originalist judges, something like that, Gorsuch.

00:13:17.820 Deregulation.

00:13:18.500 ISIS is out of Iraq and Syria.

00:13:20.280 Embassy in Jerusalem.

00:13:21.280 Obamacare mandate repeal.

00:13:22.800 Mainstream media credibility in the gutter.

00:13:24.640 No evidence of collusion between Trump and Russia.

00:13:26.800 Plenty of evidence of collusion between Democrats and Russia and the FBI, who's ostensibly investigating Trump and Russia.

00:13:32.780 Economy soaring.

00:13:33.920 Consumer confidence at all-time highs.

00:13:35.920 Even Ben Shapiro is saying nice things about Donald Trump.

00:13:39.580 Has all of this, this first year in office, changed your mind about Trump?

00:13:44.400 No.

00:13:45.380 I'm still right.

00:13:46.340 How did I know you said that?

00:13:47.320 I'm still right.

00:13:48.060 No, I never said, I never thought that it would be the end of the world.

00:13:51.420 You know, I'm not like Nancy Pelosi, who I love, but I love Nancy Pelosi so much.

00:13:55.240 She's so hilarious. 0.99

00:13:56.080 She's like.

00:13:56.520 If she didn't exist, we would have to invent her. 0.84

00:13:58.600 Yeah, I know.

00:13:59.100 She's like your great aunt that comes to Thanksgiving and yells at the cat or something. 1.00

00:14:03.160 But anyway, no, my hope with Trump was that he would get into office and kind of let his administration do things, which I think is what he's doing.

00:14:13.360 And so a lot of the things that his administration does have been very good, and I'm happy with them.

00:14:18.160 I think when it's just him unfiltered, and that's like Twitter or if he's giving a speech or something without a prompter, that's when things go off the rails and he undermines his own agenda with his bad communication skills.

00:14:30.980 So that's the part that's going to hurt.

00:14:33.160 But do you think, because I once thought this, and I opposed Trump in the primary pretty vigorously.

00:14:38.820 I was for Cruz.

00:14:40.220 I'm beginning to think he's the great communicator.

00:14:42.280 I'm beginning to think, I used to say get off the Twitter.

00:14:44.440 I think the Twitter might be the key.

00:14:46.380 Do you think it's that he is undermining his legislative or his policy agenda through his rhetoric, or do you find that it's so just uncouth, it's so vulgar that it seems to undermine the nice patinas of credibility?

00:15:04.260 I don't care about vulgarity, and I don't care about being harsh or anything like that.

00:15:08.500 You know, I've been accused of that myself a few times.

00:15:10.660 So I don't care about that.

00:15:12.240 I don't see, when Trump is feuding with LeVar Ball or Arnold Schwarzenegger or whatever he's doing, or he's complaining about CNN nonstop, I don't see how that advances the agenda.

00:15:23.540 I'll tell you how.

00:15:24.060 I will tell you how.

00:15:24.880 It's because it's a reality show.

00:15:27.040 It's because we have the great reality show runner, one of the kings of it for 15 years, network TV number one.

00:15:34.260 We have him in office, and he knows, maybe I'm reading too much in, but it's certainly how it works on me.

00:15:38.700 He knows that in order to keep people glued to that Twitter, glued to him rather than glued to CNN, you have to entertain.

00:15:46.560 You have to fight these cultural battles.

00:15:48.660 So on the one hand, you get a great—I like that he's smacking down Colin Kaepernick.

00:15:52.860 I like that as a matter of culture, but I also like that he's keeping the show engaging enough for people that they keep tuning into that Twitter account, and it bypasses CNN and the New York Times.

00:16:03.740 Yeah, but I don't think there's a—see, this is what's been happening with Trump since the beginning.

00:16:07.820 I think smart conservatives like yourself are helping him, are kind of intellectualizing what he's doing, when in reality, I think he just gets—he's just a 71-year-old man who gets up in the morning and turns on Fox and Friends and just gets mad about things and starts shouting.

00:16:22.740 But he has—unlike most 71-year-old men, he has Twitter that he could shout into Twitter.

00:16:27.680 And so that's—I think that's all that's really happening.

00:16:29.720 I don't think there's a lot of strategy to it, and I still don't see the value.

00:16:32.780 Yeah, okay, he's got people glued, they're paying attention, and they're paying attention, and then they see him complaining about an athlete.

00:16:39.540 What's the value in that?

00:16:40.820 How do we—now, if he was using his Twitter, which he does sometimes, to call attention to actually important issues, then I would say great.

00:16:48.860 But don't you think—Andrew Breitbart used to always say politics is downstream of culture, and we're in a cultural moment right now.

00:16:55.800 Do you not think there's value in calling out Colin Kaepernick or the NFL, which is kneeling for not just some issue, but in front of the American flag itself, the Star-Spangled Banner itself?

00:17:07.160 Yeah, I'm not in favor of the kneeling thing.

00:17:10.500 I think we've all made our opinion known about that.

00:17:14.040 I don't think—the idea that had to be this year-long issue that we're all—that we're outraged about for a year, I just think—I don't know what the value is.

00:17:23.420 And of all the—

00:17:24.160 It fights the cultural war.

00:17:25.140 Of all the great villains in the culture, I don't think the NFL is even in the top 100.

00:17:30.960 If I'm going to start—okay, what are the sort of organizations and institutions that we as conservatives need to be attacking relentlessly?

00:17:38.260 And I'm going to list 100.

00:17:39.400 I don't think the NFL makes it on the list.

00:17:41.320 Probably the top of the list would be maybe something like Planned Parenthood.

00:17:44.820 I would love to see Trump maybe say a thing or two about that.

00:17:48.100 He doesn't seem too concerned about that.

00:17:49.340 He's been good on pro-life.

00:17:50.520 He reinstated the Mexico City policy.

00:17:52.860 There are arguments over how Planned Parenthood funding is going, but he's allowed states to pull their funding at the very least.

00:17:59.940 That's all pretty good.

00:18:00.920 Well, but as it's—and I don't blame him for this entirely because it's the Republicans in the Senate and the Congress.

00:18:06.140 But the fact is that we have a Republican House, Senate, and White House, and we are still giving hundreds of millions of dollars a year to the abortion industry, which—why aren't people more upset about that?

00:18:18.360 I mean, to me, that should have been priority day one.

00:18:20.960 I get in the office. I'm getting rid of that.

00:18:23.360 I'm doing whatever I can to get rid of that.

00:18:24.740 That's a good point.

00:18:25.340 So those are the—to me, that's what I would be focused on.

00:18:28.280 But I don't mind—

00:18:29.960 That's too much less fun than football.

00:18:31.180 Abortion is so much less fun than football.

00:18:33.000 It's less fun. I know it's less fun.

00:18:35.000 But even the—I think there is a—we should stand up against things like that.

00:18:39.800 But for it to be the primary focus for as long as it was, I just—

00:18:45.580 It's too much covfefe. People are ODing on covfefe.

00:18:49.300 Yeah, I think that's what I was searching for, yeah.

00:18:51.180 Mr. Bois, Paul Cardinal Bois, when it comes to Democrats' long-term lies—we'll get back to Trump later.

00:18:56.680 Every conversation for the last two years obviously has to come back to Trump at some point.

00:19:00.860 But when it comes to Democrats' long-term lies, not just tax reform killing everybody, WMDs in Iraq, the JFK assassination, the party switching, that sort of thing.

00:19:10.940 How do Democrats convince everybody not to trust our own lying eyes, the things that we know to be true?

00:19:16.340 We've seen them ourselves.

00:19:17.920 I think because they've raised an entire generation, an entire populace, to not think and feel only, to feel only emotion.

00:19:25.640 So that's why I think everything—from pretty much since the moment we're toddlers and we're put in front of a television,

00:19:36.060 everything is geared towards you feeling your way through life, if you feel it, if you feel this, if you feel that.

00:19:44.780 And sometimes you feel a little too low, and then you have to resign from the Senate.

00:19:47.360 Yeah. And then, so by creating an entire generation that just basically lives their intellect,

00:19:56.160 basically subordinates to their emotions rather than the other way around, that's pretty much it.

00:20:01.460 You don't have anything. Logic goes out the window.

00:20:03.840 And there's not a single argument that I've ever been in with a leftist or somebody who's just sort of on the fence with things.

00:20:10.940 I would say even the average American, really, that the argument that's being put forth is based on logic or based on reason or evidence-based or point A to point B.

00:20:24.780 I blame rock and roll music. It puts everything in their bodies and they stop thinking,

00:20:28.300 Jacob, the mainstream media has changed its tune overnight on this tax reform, probably because we're all still here and we're not dead.

00:20:34.840 Is this Blythe ignorance or is it cynicism? When the media report falsehoods like it's going to kill everybody, it's going to raise everybody's taxes, are they lying or are they just weak and ignorant? 0.99

00:20:45.100 I think they are lying. I think it's an intentional falsehood that the mainstream media puts out all the time. 0.96

00:20:51.100 It's like we were talking about how when Ted Kennedy died, they didn't mention the fact that he committed manslaughter, right?

00:20:56.380 In fact, someone said, oh, the girl he left to die helplessly, she would have voted for him if she was still alive.

00:21:02.280 That's right. They put that stuff out there. And the sad thing is Republicans repeat it.

00:21:07.380 When Mitt Romney ran against Ted Kennedy, who, by the way, he almost beat Ted Kennedy, Romney didn't say, oh, Ted Kennedy committed manslaughter.

00:21:15.660 That should have been enough to win the election. But Mitt Romney just went along with these mainstream media lies.

00:21:20.760 Oh, Ted Kennedy, he's such a lion in the Senate.

00:21:24.120 Oh, my gosh. He ate that poor girl alive. Lion of the Senate.

00:21:26.980 Exactly. And I think it is an intentional falsehood. And the sad thing is the American people don't hold them accountable when they have egg on their face for whatever reason.

00:21:37.900 Yeah, that is true. It's not enough covfefe.

00:21:41.860 See, it's a balancing act. You can't have too much. If you get too much, you're going to overdose on it.

00:21:46.080 Now, speaking of overdosing, we have much more to talk about. We have Nikki Haley and Donald Trump smacking around the U.N. 0.99

00:21:52.780 That's a glorious. We're going to talk about Cardinal Law, former Archbishop of Boston, who was at the center of the Catholic abuse scandal.

00:22:00.100 We're going to be talking about that with our three quarters Catholic panel because he just died today.

00:22:04.660 We're going to be talking about the mother who is two months older than her daughter.

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00:23:02.660 The U.S. will be taking names.

00:23:33.200 Then Donald Trump followed this up.

00:23:34.900 President Trump said,

00:23:35.580 For all of these nations that take our money and then they vote against us at the Security Council or they vote against us potentially at the Assembly, they take hundreds of millions of dollars, even billions of dollars, then they vote against us.

00:23:46.360 Well, we're watching those votes.

00:23:48.440 Let them vote against us.

00:23:49.700 We're going to save a lot.

00:23:50.560 We don't care.

00:23:51.460 But this isn't like it used to be, where they could vote against you and then you pay them hundreds of millions of dollars and nobody knows what they're doing.

00:23:59.140 You know, Jacob, that sounds like a threat to me.

00:24:01.420 Is this threat serious?

00:24:02.720 Will Trump pull foreign aid or is he bluffing?

00:24:04.920 From what I've seen, I don't think it's a bluff.

00:24:08.160 I think he's serious.

00:24:09.160 He wants to do it anyway.

00:24:10.100 He's been talking about it for years.

00:24:11.200 Exactly.

00:24:11.720 And quite frankly, I want him to do this.

00:24:14.320 So I actually hope they do vote against this.

00:24:16.620 By the way, why are we paying all these nations money?

00:24:18.940 We never get anything in return.

00:24:20.280 We bail them out of every world war.

00:24:21.900 I say, you know, they can pay their own way for a change.

00:24:25.320 Let them fund their armies with all their socialist taxes.

00:24:28.980 You know, I say go for it and good on Nikki Haley.

00:24:32.260 She's probably the greatest UN ambassador we've ever had.

00:24:35.260 Excuse me.

00:24:36.160 There was John Bolton.

00:24:37.260 I don't want to hear anything that excludes my man John Bolton.

00:24:40.380 Second best.

00:24:40.940 Now, Matt, I think there is a legitimate argument for foreign aid.

00:24:45.640 Some say that by having foreign aid, we're able to exert greater influence over these countries, greater influence in the world.

00:24:51.340 Some say we look like a bunch of wusses and we're just paying the people and saying, thank you, ma'am.

00:24:56.560 May I have another? 0.68

00:24:57.320 And they smack us more and put their cigarettes out on our chest.

00:25:00.140 Which is it?

00:25:00.880 Should we cut U.S. foreign aid to these people?

00:25:02.900 I'm going to go with the latter.

00:25:04.140 I think it's immoral.

00:25:06.580 It's a scandal to take money because, of course, we know liberals don't understand this,

00:25:11.880 but we understand that the government isn't just the money.

00:25:14.860 The money isn't falling from the sky.

00:25:16.580 They're taking the money from the American people.

00:25:18.480 So the idea that the government is taking money from my family and giving it to a foreign government, I think, is just scandalous.

00:25:28.280 And I know it's been going on for a long time.

00:25:29.900 So I think Trump is more on that side of the fence, and I agree with him.

00:25:35.060 And this is one thing.

00:25:36.660 This is where – now, usually I'm opposed to how Trump communicates because I think it distracts.

00:25:41.420 Now, this is the kind of thing that no other Republican would ever say.

00:25:44.900 Right, right.

00:25:45.520 It's the right thing to say.

00:25:46.700 And if he actually does it, which I hope he does, then I will gladly say that this is something that no other Republican would have done, and it's a good thing.

00:25:53.460 And it's exactly the kind of thing that if we can get Trump doing this sort of thing, then I think people who supported Trump can make the argument that in the end it was the right thing to support him over the other 17 candidates because it's the sort of move that no other Republican would pull.

00:26:11.020 And he does get better, too, one notices.

00:26:14.740 Like, during the campaign, his rhetoric was in many places quite objectionable, and it's gotten less objectionable, and he's getting more of these good things.

00:26:23.520 So if it keeps on getting better and better, I would be very pleased with it.

00:26:28.000 I would be – my skepticism will have vanished, basically.

00:26:31.820 Mr. Bois, what do you think?

00:26:34.600 There is no role for leadership by funding these countries and being able to dangle it over their heads.

00:26:41.560 Will America be stronger and have a stronger hand in the world if we pull back?

00:26:46.820 I certainly think it will make these nations that are receiving aid from us think second best before they spit in our face.

00:26:52.980 I mean, I think they're just sort of – they're getting a lot of kickbacks from us.

00:26:57.060 They're ungrateful, and they need to stop biting the hand that feeds them.

00:27:01.820 That's good. We're all talking like mobsters now. 0.90

00:27:05.400 Okay, let's move on.

00:27:07.000 Bernard Cardinal Law, the former Archbishop of Boston, whom the Boston Globe exposed to have covered up sexual abuse by priests, has died.

00:27:15.880 We are three-quarters Catholic today, and we're working on Jacob.

00:27:18.560 Maybe by the end of the show it will be 100%.

00:27:20.180 Paul, you are a cardinal yourself, obviously, your eminence.

00:27:24.240 How has the church recovered from the sex abuse scandal now 15 years later?

00:27:28.020 I would have to say internally they're doing a better job, certainly trying to clean out the seminaries and input solid protections that were in place prior to the 1950s that led to this.

00:27:50.580 There's certainly a lot of liturgical abuses going on and a lot of liberalism going on in the church, and frankly, that is what this stemmed from.

00:27:59.260 The leftists want to go ahead and say that, oh, it was the Catholic culture and the celibacy.

00:28:04.560 That's nonsense. 0.71

00:28:05.500 If a priest throughout history was having difficulty with his celibacy, they would find him with a prostitute or with a married woman or someone else in the parish. 0.81

00:28:14.540 Some of those popes, like the Borgia popes, right?

00:28:18.500 I mean, they had a ton of illegitimate children and all of that. 0.63

00:28:21.420 So that's a bunch of fraudulent nonsense. 0.85

00:28:25.740 In terms of the public image, I don't think it's gotten much better, and that's largely because Catholic media is just horrible right now, 0.99

00:28:33.820 and the Catholic message is horrible right now in the culture.

00:28:37.300 And Hollywood just created spotlight, and of course, they're never going to tell the truth about what really was taking place.

00:28:43.140 So it's a mixed bag.

00:28:44.840 I think it's going to take a longer time to fully recover it.

00:28:47.880 I do think that what's happening in Hollywood right now with the Me Too movement and the sex scandals is sort of shifting the pendulum.

00:28:54.840 I think the Catholic Church, they went through their beating, if you will, and now we're kind of turning the spotlight on leftist culture and their madness.

00:29:04.140 And this is the moment for Catholics and media to take the mantle and turn it back on them and really take it home. 0.94

00:29:13.340 And just say, like, you know, like, we have the right answer and just take it away from leftists.

00:29:18.500 I'm just pleased that you're blaming the sex abuse scandal on bad liturgy.

00:29:22.140 Those acoustic guitars drive me so crazy.

00:29:24.300 I'm very pleased by that.

00:29:25.760 Matt, many people have been hoping for and predicting the end of Christianity of the Catholic Church since approximately, I think, the year zero.

00:29:33.960 So Caiaphas couldn't make it happen.

00:29:36.000 The Muslim armies at the Battle of Tours couldn't make it happen. 1.00

00:29:39.580 The Muslim armies at the Battle of Lepanto couldn't make it happen. 1.00

00:29:42.020 Not Nietzsche, not Richard Dawkins, not anybody else.

00:29:44.900 How will history judge the significance of the sex abuse scandal?

00:29:49.200 I think it's impossible.

00:29:50.920 Martin Luther, by the way, also has another one that couldn't make it happen.

00:29:53.080 I know.

00:29:53.460 No, I was going to hold my tongue, but you're absolutely right.

00:29:57.000 He didn't make it happen.

00:29:58.460 Sad for him.

00:29:59.880 I would.

00:30:01.200 It's impossible to understate how the significance of it.

00:30:04.040 I mean, this is Satan made great inroads into the church itself with the scandal, obviously, because that's what it is.

00:30:11.040 It's satanic when you look at what some of these priests were doing and guys like Cardinal Law.

00:30:17.060 But it's also difficult.

00:30:18.300 It's kind of like what Paul was talking about.

00:30:19.420 It's difficult for Catholics because we know how horrible it is and we don't want to understate it. 1.00

00:30:24.640 And we need to talk about that.

00:30:26.700 But what we've been saying for the past 15 years is all these people that are acting so shocked by the church, they have their own issues in their own institutions.

00:30:36.900 And nobody's talking about that.

00:30:39.020 And, in fact, even in – if you look, there have been studies done that in the Protestant church, sex abuse is an even bigger problem than it ever was in the Catholic church.

00:30:47.220 In public schools, I mean, it's just – I forget what the stat is, but one in every – I want to say one in every – well, I won't say it because I don't want to misquote it.

00:30:55.220 But thousands and thousands of kids, let's put it that way, are being abused by teachers in public schools.

00:30:58.280 I see those stories of the cute blonde teacher and the little 15-year-old boy.

00:31:02.140 They're out every day.

00:31:03.340 Yeah.

00:31:03.520 I see them all the time.

00:31:04.240 It really is every day, more than every day.

00:31:06.880 So there always is this difficult game to play where it's not a game, but it's this difficult move where you want to also shed the light on this greater problem that's happening in the culture across the board without trying to do the what about thing.

00:31:23.100 I'm all for what about.

00:31:24.080 What about you guys, you lefties?

00:31:25.400 What about you?

00:31:26.180 Look at yourself.

00:31:26.880 Jacob, you're not yet home in the church universal.

00:31:31.720 Not yet.

00:31:32.580 Maybe by the end of the show.

00:31:33.780 Did the scandal change outside perspectives of the Catholic church, or was it just ammo for people who were already critical of it?

00:31:40.740 I think it was ammo, and I actually believe in it or not.

00:31:43.600 I actually agree with Paul and Matt.

00:31:45.220 I don't think it was a problem within the Catholic church itself.

00:31:49.900 I personally, and I know I'm probably even going to take flack from some of my fellow Protestants, but I believe as long as you believe in Jesus Christ as your Savior, you go to heaven.

00:31:58.640 And so I didn't see it as an issue within the Catholic church other than cardinal law should have been defrocked.

00:32:06.020 I think that was a bad move to move him to Rome because that made it look like the Catholic church was covering something up.

00:32:12.800 Protecting him.

00:32:13.140 And so I think it was more about optics when it came from other Christians looking in, outside Christians looking in.

00:32:19.420 It was kind of like, oh, man, that was a bad move.

00:32:21.420 And evangelicals aren't immune to this. 1.00

00:32:24.280 I mean, Baker and that guy in Louisiana, we have had our own share of scandals, just like Matt said.

00:32:31.420 And I know evangelicals came out and other Protestants came out, and that was wrong. 1.00

00:32:37.580 There should have never been any finger-pointing.

00:32:39.320 That being said, though, those priests did disgusting, horrible things, and cardinal law did the wrong thing.

00:32:48.760 Even if you want to say, oh, the spotlight was misleading or this media report was misleading and teachers abused kids more.

00:32:56.180 Cardinal law was still actively involved in covering up the scandal, and he should have been removed from his position.

00:33:04.160 And that is my honest take on it.

00:33:07.580 It was something that was horrible.

00:33:11.040 But I think that, like Paul said, I do think the Catholic church has made a move, particularly thanks to Pope Benedict.

00:33:17.940 He really took a hand in combating it and putting in a decent safety measure.

00:33:23.860 Hey, if Pope Benedict was still the pope, you might have a shot at converting me in this episode.

00:33:27.460 I hear this from a lot of conservative Protestants.

00:33:30.000 Yeah, got to love Pope Benedict.

00:33:31.500 Excellent book for Advent is the infancy narrative is really nice.

00:33:35.180 We have to move on.

00:33:36.240 We're talking about weird sex. 0.97

00:33:37.600 We've got to move on to some weirder sex. 0.93

00:33:39.420 A mother in Tennessee is only two months older than her daughter, which means that I know Tennesseans are very precocious. 0.99

00:33:44.980 I mean, teen pregnancy has gotten very out of hand.

00:33:47.440 The mother, 26-year-old Emma Wren Gibson, has broken a world record by giving birth to a baby whose embryo was frozen in 1992.

00:33:56.220 We are really through the looking glass now, are we not?

00:33:58.920 Matt, how should people who are concerned with natural law, who have bioethical thoughts, how should they consider this event?

00:34:08.580 I don't know.

00:34:10.360 That's why we bring you on.

00:34:11.660 Bold declarations.

00:34:13.600 Well, there's two questions here.

00:34:15.280 There's the question of IVF and creating embryos and creating human beings in a petri dish, which is immoral and wrong and bad.

00:34:25.040 And this is just, it's a simple case of just because science can do it doesn't mean it should.

00:34:29.780 Right.

00:34:29.960 Just because it can solve a problem, which is infertility, doesn't mean we should go that direction.

00:34:33.080 We shouldn't be making dinosaurs.

00:34:34.380 Yeah.

00:34:34.500 Just always get that in.

00:34:35.140 We shouldn't be making dinosaurs.

00:34:35.960 We shouldn't be making people.

00:34:36.800 We shouldn't be making any living thing in a petri dish, probably, I guess.

00:34:40.920 At least dinosaurs and people.

00:34:41.800 So there's that question.

00:34:43.580 And then you end up with, now we have, like we were talking before we went on the show, 600,000 to a million human embryos in storage.

00:34:51.560 So they're just frozen little embryos.

00:34:53.540 Yeah.

00:34:53.980 We store them like hot pockets in the freezer, but these are human beings.

00:34:58.680 And so the first question is, well, it's wrong to do that.

00:35:02.800 The second question is, now that they're there because of this immoral act, what do we do with them?

00:35:09.020 And that's the I don't know part because normally, and I know the church teaches, and I think this is just consistent with natural law, that to go and pull a human being out of storage and implant them in your body is unnatural and wrong.

00:35:25.360 However, they are there.

00:35:26.480 So the other option is just to let them die.

00:35:28.380 So I would think, I don't know, but I would think the morally correct answer here is it's a matter of kind of intent.

00:35:34.840 So if your intention is to do an act of mercy and to rescue a human being from this limbo state by, by, um, that's what it is.

00:35:44.640 It's earthly limbo, right?

00:35:46.200 And if you're, if your attention is active mercy, rescue the human being from limbo, bring him into, you know, the world, um, then I think it's right.

00:35:54.660 If your intention is, I have a problem I need to solve, I'm infertile, and oh, we've got these embryos hanging around.

00:36:00.500 Sure would like a kid today.

00:36:01.680 Right.

00:36:02.080 Then it's wrong.

00:36:02.960 So that's what I would think the answer is.

00:36:04.520 I don't know.

00:36:05.020 Paul Cardinal Bois, you are an eminent cardinal.

00:36:08.040 There are, there are lots of these little frozen embryos.

00:36:11.140 So should there be a movement now to save them from earthly limbo, like Matt is saying, should there be a movement to go and rescue these little frozen pre-babies, or is that taking pro-life too far?

00:36:24.080 Uh, yeah, it's a very, uh, new issue.

00:36:26.260 There's actually been, uh, two paragraphs written about it in a encyclical in 2008, uh, by Pope Benedict, uh, Dignitatis, uh, Personae.

00:36:33.860 Uh, so essentially what, and Matt, uh, talked about it is the problem here is yes, it's intent.

00:36:39.140 And the proper way to frame it is, um, embryonic, uh, or embryo adoption.

00:36:46.820 So basically, like you said, the idea of, uh, family or, uh, saying I'm going to go out and I'm going to save one of these little, yeah.

00:36:54.860 One of these embryos, not, I need to start a family, not, you know, I, you know, I want to start building my family.

00:37:01.100 Look at how I build my family.

00:37:02.360 Because with regular IVF, very often there will be multiple embryos that are created and then they'll implant them and it's very expensive.

00:37:12.600 It's very hard to see which one will implant and then they'll abort some of the others.

00:37:16.020 So there's this abortion component for regular IVF that you don't have with, uh, embryonic adoption.

00:37:21.640 Yeah, so the goal really is to stop this from happening, stop the IVF, that's going to be very hard in this culture, uh, stop, um, the freezing of these embryos, the creating of these, and then the freezing and the storing of them.

00:37:35.340 And then while you're doing that, these poor souls that are stuck in earthly limbo, get them a chance, try and get them a chance, uh, to be adopted without turning it into this, uh, trendy thing of like, oh, we're picking up these embryos.

00:37:51.620 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:37:51.920 It's like the new pit bull, you know, pit bulls were really cool for a while too.

00:37:55.240 Yeah, so the new one's embryos.

00:37:56.680 Spiritually, I'm thinking to myself, I mean, that's something, because every child at the moment of conception has a soul.

00:38:01.920 These, I mean, theoretically, these are all souls that are not able to die or depart from their bodies, uh, for, could happen for, I don't know, decades.

00:38:12.760 Sounds like a horror movie.

00:38:13.840 It's insane.

00:38:15.860 Jacob, as we move into our brave new world, what should conservatives think about IVF in general, in vitro fertilization?

00:38:22.140 A ton of downsides, there are these abortions that are part of it, it's very clinical.

00:38:27.060 It misses the most fun part of creating a baby, which is probably usually left out of the discussion.

00:38:32.200 On the other hand, it is now common practice.

00:38:34.900 It allows infertile couples to have children. 0.95

00:38:38.080 How should conservatives approach the issue moving forward?

00:38:40.920 I think, uh, it all goes down to intent and it puts pro-lifers in an awkward situation.

00:38:47.000 I am of the belief that anything created by science doesn't have a soul.

00:38:50.740 I believe that, uh, only through natural conception does one have a soul.

00:38:55.420 Wait, what about the little, what about people who were born IVF?

00:38:58.760 They don't have souls?

00:38:59.760 Well, no, that's, well, I know, that's what I'm saying, it puts me, it puts me in this awkward position.

00:39:04.760 I have a couple of physicians who that might describe them.

00:39:06.660 Well, I just think that, I'm just going to say, I don't think clones have souls.

00:39:10.300 I don't, I think they're, they're just organic robots and that's my humble opinion.

00:39:14.320 But it also, but also I think that they have a, uh, but, but now that this is a part of what we are, it's, we're going to have to take a serious look at it.

00:39:23.020 I honestly don't know where this leaves, uh, conservatives.

00:39:26.080 Are we going to move forward and, and get these people out and, uh, give them an opportunity to life?

00:39:31.960 Because one of the biggest rights in America is you have the right to life.

00:39:36.200 You have that right.

00:39:37.380 And I don't think freezing them, whether you think they have souls or not, freezing them, because if they do, freezing them is, is wrong.

00:39:44.520 You shouldn't just store them.

00:39:46.240 So I think, uh, I think this paints us in a little bit of a corner.

00:39:50.140 You know, I got to tell you, pal, I'm glad that I'm not your clone.

00:39:52.880 I'm really glad.

00:39:53.780 This is some really clonophobic language that you're using on here.

00:39:57.600 Outrageous.

00:39:58.020 Okay.

00:39:58.380 Let's get off of these questions of natural law and souls and everything.

00:40:01.860 Get onto the real battle.

00:40:03.180 The war on Christmas.

00:40:04.320 Here is a glimpse right now from the battlefield, just outside our window.

00:40:08.960 Oh no, they got him.

00:40:12.560 Did I get him?

00:40:13.620 They got him.

00:40:14.180 They got Santa.

00:40:14.980 Santa down.

00:40:16.100 I got to put on my, my helmet for this.

00:40:18.680 Is this, is it still lit up?

00:40:20.400 Yeah, it is.

00:40:20.840 Okay.

00:40:21.940 All right.

00:40:22.300 Ready to go.

00:40:22.780 I don't have my candy cane pipe anymore.

00:40:25.720 Matt, I read, I usually, I love your writing.

00:40:28.200 I love reading your pieces.

00:40:29.540 You wrote a piece a couple of days ago that I almost threw my computer out the window.

00:40:34.280 I was so horrified.

00:40:36.220 I wanted to bring you up on charges, martial charges, um, for evacuating your post in the war on Christmas.

00:40:42.940 You don't think it's a real thing.

00:40:44.380 You don't think conservatives should be worried about it.

00:40:46.480 No, not at all. 0.98

00:40:48.220 I think it's, it's, it's, you think it's ridiculous.

00:40:50.640 I, well, that is not, I mean, that's not, that's very, that's practical.

00:40:54.560 I mean, my Christmas tree bow tie. 0.67

00:40:57.080 I, uh, I think it's even dumber than the, than the standing, than the NFL thing, to be honest with you.

00:41:02.100 I, um, there, there, there are two aspects to it.

00:41:06.580 Um, the, you know, the question is, is it, is it an important issue?

00:41:10.820 Like, is it something we should worry about?

00:41:11.880 And the other question is, should we even, is it even, is it helping Christmas?

00:41:15.560 In other words, when we try to essentially force people to say Merry Christmas and to decorate their department stores with, uh, with mistletoes and plastic reindeer and everything.

00:41:25.080 And so on that second, I think I've moved right to that second question.

00:41:28.560 I would say that it's, it's, I don't think that we, we, we help Christmas.

00:41:31.840 In other words, if you have, um, what would we consider an act of war on Christmas?

00:41:36.940 If like, for instance, uh, if Macy's were to say, we're banning Christmas decorations, you're not allowed to say Merry Christmas, right?

00:41:44.320 Then that's, that's the war on Christmas, isn't it?

00:41:45.880 It's the latter though, because they still have the decorations.

00:41:48.580 The decorations are up everywhere.

00:41:49.920 It's not like we forced them to.

00:41:51.100 People put them up because they, they put them up earlier and earlier actually, because they want to get people to buy more presents and these sorts of things.

00:41:59.060 The, the act of the war on Christmas and why I think it's so insidious is it's all about language.

00:42:04.360 It's just a front in this politically correct, uh, euphemistic battle.

00:42:10.340 So what they do is they have all the, the reindeer even, they have the little Christmas snowflakes or whatever, but they won't, they won't call it Christmas.

00:42:19.540 They'll say it's for the holidays.

00:42:21.180 They use this euphemism holidays, even though there's only one major holiday in December.

00:42:26.180 So how, let me ask you, how is the sacredness of Christmas preserved by having the cashier at JCPenney just have this rote greeting of Merry Christmas, as opposed to saying happy holidays, which by the way, as you know, holidays means holy day.

00:42:41.900 So they're still acknowledging, but they say holidays, but there's only one, there's only one major holiday in December.

00:42:48.060 What's the other holiday?

00:42:49.220 Hanukkah is a relatively minor Jewish holiday compared to other Jewish holidays.

00:42:53.500 It only became a big deal.

00:42:54.640 The feast day of St. Nicholas.

00:42:56.120 They could be referring to that.

00:42:57.320 Well, this is actually another point on this.

00:42:59.160 So you, you do make a great point.

00:43:00.540 Obviously Christmas is commercialized.

00:43:02.620 A lot of people, they are the Christmas and Easter Christians. 0.78

00:43:05.820 They go to church twice a year, maybe, usually once a year, and they don't go any other day.

00:43:10.660 And that's a problem.

00:43:11.600 I totally grant that that's a problem.

00:43:13.440 But isn't hypocrisy the tribute that vice pays to virtue?

00:43:18.240 Is that situation really made better by indulging this bizarre campaign to replace Christmas, obviously the central holiday of Christmastime, with this weird euphemism, holidays, where we pretend that Hanukkah is a major holiday, even within the Jewish religion?

00:43:35.580 And that Kwanzaa is anything but a socialist contrivance.

00:43:38.780 It seems to me, you know, we have Santa Claus up.

00:43:41.500 What does Santa Claus have to do with the birth of Christ?

00:43:44.200 Not terribly much, except that this folk tradition that we have, the merging of Christianity with these various folk traditions, does speak a little bit to it.

00:43:54.360 We have St. Nicholas.

00:43:55.780 So we have, St. Nicholas is known for two things, giving out presents to people and punching heretics in the face. 0.97

00:44:01.820 And we incorporate the former into our Christmas traditions.

00:44:05.960 That doesn't seem like such a bad thing to me.

00:44:08.180 Yeah.

00:44:08.360 I would love to incorporate the latter, too, at our Christmas traditions as well.

00:44:11.400 Yes, it's only at the Knowles House, the Walsh House.

00:44:13.560 I think, I mean, if they started doing that at Macy's, I would be totally in favor of it.

00:44:17.520 But I guess the, here's the way I look at it.

00:44:21.740 If a department store company or whatever says, don't say Merry Christmas, say Happy Holidays, their logic partly is, well, we can't really wish, because Christmas means Christ mass.

00:44:32.280 As you know, it's a very religious phrase.

00:44:35.980 And it's intensely religious.

00:44:38.340 So the logic of these corporations is, well, if we say that, then we're essentially endorsing that religion.

00:44:43.920 We're promoting it.

00:44:45.540 And so they're saying, well, we're a secular company.

00:44:47.960 We're not interested in promoting a religion. 0.99

00:44:49.180 So we're just going to back off and not say anything or just use this generalized phrase.

00:44:53.360 And my point is, in that decision, they're actually showing more respect, even if, not intentionally, but they're showing more respect for the religious nature of Christmas than are a lot of Christians who only care about Christianity when it's Christmas time.

00:45:07.700 But then shouldn't they not use the word Holy Day?

00:45:10.360 Shouldn't they not use the phrase Holidays?

00:45:12.520 If they're saying we don't want to take a religious stand, because I think they're not using it for that reason.

00:45:16.740 I think they're not doing it because there's a left-wing, euphemistic struggle that infects all of our politically correct language.

00:45:24.040 Christmas is just one little aspect of that.

00:45:26.500 But by that logic, if there is only one major holiday that is celebrated in December, shouldn't they just not acknowledge anything?

00:45:34.320 If they're going to acknowledge that there is something, there is a holiday that must not be named because we're respecting the religious nature of this country and of the people who celebrate Christmas,

00:45:44.200 then they should take down the ornaments, right?

00:45:46.860 They should take down the snowflakes and the trees and the reindeer.

00:45:50.480 So I guess my problem with the war on Christmas is that they're not going far enough.

00:45:55.280 Take it all down.

00:45:57.560 Because I don't need this.

00:45:59.820 The way that Christmas is so ubiquitous, it's only drained it of its significance.

00:46:03.700 I think it would be great.

00:46:04.800 We live in a, part of the point I made in that piece, we live in a godless, satanic culture.

00:46:09.800 We should have to face that fact, even around Christmas.

00:46:12.540 I know we want to run from that and we want to pretend we're driving down the street, we see the Christmas lights everywhere.

00:46:16.980 We say, oh, look at all these Christians, they're so great.

00:46:19.360 And meanwhile, you know, those people with the Christmas lights are in their house, you know, they're looking at porn, they're whatever, beating their kids, whatever they're doing. 0.99

00:46:26.580 So what you want to do, you want to take down the reindeer and you want to replace them with little devils and little, like, Baphomet.

00:46:31.240 I think it would be good if we got to a point in our culture where only the people who are authentically, really, devoutly, observantly Christian even acknowledge or celebrate Christmas. 0.99

00:46:42.740 Because they're the only ones who should be.

00:46:44.460 They're the only ones that, this is not a holiday for everyone to enjoy.

00:46:48.380 The spirit of Christmas is giving to people.

00:46:49.980 That's not what it is.

00:46:50.700 We're celebrating the birth of Christ because he came to this earth to redeem mankind.

00:46:56.120 That's why we're celebrating him.

00:46:57.760 And so it's the people who actually care about Christianity who have a right to our celebration. 0.55

00:47:01.680 I don't like how our culture comes in and takes all of the Christmas, all the Christian celebrations and gets rid of all the religious significance. 0.99

00:47:09.140 And they just keep the, they keep the celebrations for themselves.

00:47:11.500 They do it with Mardi Gras.

00:47:12.260 They do it sort of with, you know, they do it with St. Patrick's Day.

00:47:17.380 It's, you know, these are ours.

00:47:18.420 We earn those holidays in a sense.

00:47:20.400 They're culturally appropriating from us. 0.94

00:47:22.080 They are in a way.

00:47:23.420 On this point, though, the incarnation does draw all of the nations in the world into Christ.

00:47:30.560 Even though, you know, we see those three wise men come from the land of the sunrise.

00:47:34.640 They weren't Jews. 0.65

00:47:35.920 They lived at a time when there was, there were prophecies floating around that the ruler of the world would come from Judah.

00:47:42.320 But even in that incarnation, in the first year of incarnation, you see a journey of the world who might be kind of kooky on their religious views or a little out there or not quite.

00:47:54.120 They might be magi from which we get magician.

00:47:56.160 But they were drawn a little closer to Christ.

00:48:00.340 It seemed, I'm looking at it a little more glass half full if we can get them to like Santa Claus.

00:48:04.600 This happened to Andrew Klavan.

00:48:06.020 He really liked Christmas as a boy, even though he came from a basically secular Jewish household.

00:48:12.160 And years later, that played some role in his conversion to Christ in a way that didn't involve Christmas cookies and, you know, little decorations on the tree.

00:48:22.240 Yeah, and here's where I want to kind of put my, because I think in where I disagree with you, Matt, is what you're talking about is a society that completely and totally takes away their decorations and it's gone and it's everything.

00:48:33.200 That's not a society that takes away their decorations and we're going to let the Christians do their thing. 1.00

00:48:37.640 That's a society like the Soviet Union.

00:48:39.740 They don't just take the decorations down.

00:48:41.540 They ensure that nobody puts any decorations up.

00:48:44.340 So, we're in a post-Christian society right now, but we are not yet fully in an anti-Christian society yet.

00:48:53.020 And so long as that shell of a Christian society remains, we have to protect that shell so we can fill it up with something Christian. 1.00

00:49:00.480 Because that natural law of being around the beauty of the decorations of Christmas and hearing people say Merry Christmas and Santa Claus, like he said about Andrew Klavan, could play a role in somebody's conversion later on.

00:49:11.840 I know how to do it. I know how to make all of this work and to unite all of these various armies, some who want more Santa Claus and some who want the war to go further and, you know, have the devils go up.

00:49:23.760 We have to add this important component of punching heretics to our Christmas tradition as St. Nicholas, as Santa Claus himself would have wanted. 0.95

00:49:32.360 Fa-la-la-la-la, la-la-la-la. 0.99

00:49:34.440 That is our show today. Thank you for being here.

00:49:36.880 Matt Walsh, great to have you. You've got to come back next time you're in town.

00:49:39.960 Jacob Berry, Paul Cardinalbois, I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

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00:49:56.480 See you soon.

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The Michael Knowles Show - December 20, 2017

Ep. 78 - The Rapture

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