The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 788 - The Courts Won’t Save Us

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00:00:30.280 You want the good news or the bad news?

00:00:32.380 The good news first.

00:00:34.020 The Supreme Court just handed conservatives a crucial win on an important question of religious liberty.

00:00:40.040 All right.

00:00:41.540 The bad news?

00:00:42.840 The courts have been clobbering us at almost every turn.

00:00:45.880 On top of that, a new report out of Harvard shows how the lockdown dramatically ramped up

00:00:51.280 the rate at which conservatives are losing political power.

00:00:54.900 And Joe Biden proves me right on Juneteenth.

00:00:57.440 You know, I hate to say I told you so.

00:01:00.300 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:01:01.080 This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:09.800 Welcome back to the show.

00:01:10.720 My favorite comment yesterday from Jay Destef, who says, Biden telling Putin not to attack

00:01:16.100 certain things is like the kid telling the bully, no swirlies or wedgies, but noogies

00:01:21.200 are okay.

00:01:21.920 That is true.

00:01:22.840 And by the way, what happens when the kid tells the boogie, no swirlies or wedgies, but

00:01:27.000 noogies are okay?

00:01:27.960 The kid is going to get swirlies and wedgies.

00:01:30.040 Biden doing that is just saying, hey, Vlad, come on in here, buddy.

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00:02:55.680 Good news out of the Supreme Court.

00:02:57.380 I don't want to downplay it.

00:02:58.620 This is good news.

00:02:59.900 Fulton v.

00:03:00.900 City of Philadelphia comes out yesterday.

00:03:04.080 The question in this case was, can the city of Philadelphia force Catholic adoption agencies

00:03:11.380 to give their orphans to same-sex couples?

00:03:16.020 Obviously, the Catholic Church does not support that sort of thing.

00:03:21.160 Catholic Church is the largest charity in the history of the world.

00:03:24.500 Catholic Church does a lot of great work, particularly on adoption.

00:03:27.720 But now that the government in the last few years has redefined the definition of marriage

00:03:31.560 radically, they've tried to redefine reality by redefining the words, which happens to be

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00:03:50.880 The government has redefined marriage radically.

00:03:53.960 This puts the Catholic Church in a bad position because the established state church of secular 0.86

00:03:58.920 liberalism is now quite at odds with the Catholic Church, with many Protestant denominations,

00:04:04.580 with Jewish denominations.

00:04:07.360 I know there are different sort of forms of Judaism.

00:04:10.280 With Muslims, with all sorts of groups who do not gotten to this sort of thing.

00:04:15.280 So the Supreme Court had to answer this question.

00:04:18.680 In the interest of equality and individual rights and the new definition of marriage,

00:04:23.660 can the government force Catholic charities to give orphans to same-sex couples?

00:04:29.640 The court ruled unanimously no.

00:04:33.400 Frankly, regardless of what you think about the definition of marriage, it should terrify

00:04:38.320 you if the, regardless of what you think about the particulars of this case, if the government

00:04:44.780 can come in and force any religious group, any non-profit whatsoever to just violate some

00:04:51.180 of its most basic beliefs and including in the way that they are giving children, orphans

00:04:57.140 to be housed, there is no limit to what the government can do.

00:04:59.820 So the court ruled unanimously, nine to nothing, that the city of Philadelphia can't do that.

00:05:05.060 Good stuff, right?

00:05:05.780 That's a win.

00:05:07.680 However, we got a bunch of losses at the court too.

00:05:12.400 Supreme Court ruled seven to two to reject a challenge to Obamacare.

00:05:17.020 This is now the third time the court has weighed in on Obamacare.

00:05:20.940 This challenge came from Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and 17 other Republican attorneys

00:05:26.220 general.

00:05:27.500 The court rejected this, not on any question of the Obamacare law itself, so much as the

00:05:33.380 question of standing.

00:05:34.640 Do these attorneys general have standing to even bring the suit?

00:05:37.640 The court said seven to two.

00:05:39.220 No, they do not.

00:05:40.820 This is just another time.

00:05:42.100 The court has sort of changed its reasoning as to why it's going to uphold Obamacare.

00:05:45.740 There have been many different reasons, some of which seem sort of contradictory.

00:05:49.600 And actually, Clarence Thomas pointed that out in his opinion here, even though he did

00:05:53.900 agree with the reasoning on this case.

00:05:55.700 But Obamacare, here to stay, the court's just never going to do anything about it.

00:05:59.520 And then at the lower courts, poor old Jack Phillips.

00:06:02.200 You know our friend Jack Phillips, who owns Masterpiece Cake Shop.

00:06:05.400 He has been on this show.

00:06:06.320 He hasn't been on it a while, but he's been on this show before.

00:06:08.840 He is targeted by radical sexual revolutionaries who want to force him to make custom cakes

00:06:15.340 for all sorts of purposes, not just same-sex wedding ceremonies, but also really radical

00:06:21.760 stuff involving gender ideology, things that really violate his conscience and his religious

00:06:26.920 beliefs.

00:06:28.120 They target Jack Phillips not because he's the only baker in Colorado.

00:06:31.280 There are actually very liberal left-wing bakers just down the street from him. 0.85

00:06:35.320 They do it because they want to crack him.

00:06:36.940 They don't want him to have the right to practice his religion. 0.66

00:06:39.100 They keep dragging him to court, and a court just ruled against him.

00:06:42.620 Colorado court ruled to punish Jack Phillips for refusing to design a cake that celebrates

00:06:48.700 a gender transition, a gender transition, which is not a thing. 0.64

00:06:52.740 It's not possible to go from a man and become a woman. 0.99

00:06:56.580 This is impossible.

00:06:59.080 This view of human nature violates Jack Phillips' beliefs.

00:07:02.200 It happens to be incorrect as well.

00:07:03.860 And the court said, nope, the state-established church of secular progressivism, the state-established

00:07:10.960 church with the sacrament of gender transition will impose upon you this religious ritual,

00:07:16.100 and you got to do it.

00:07:18.340 I happen to think, as happy as I am about this Catholic adoption agency's case, I just think,

00:07:24.720 guys, our bar is a little too low here as conservatives.

00:07:29.180 We are celebrating now that the state, for now, will not take orphans out of the hands

00:07:39.100 of nuns and give them to same-sex couples against the wishes of the people running the 0.88

00:07:44.000 orphanage, and to violate their religious views, which would effectively have to shut

00:07:49.600 down all the adoption agencies, which is probably what the liberal establishment wants.

00:07:52.820 That's our celebration.

00:07:55.800 Whoopee.

00:07:56.980 There was a case, as part of the Obamacare case yesterday, there were some conservatives

00:08:03.000 who were actually gloating.

00:08:05.280 They said, aha, you see, we were told, the liberals told us that if Amy Coney Barrett were

00:08:11.860 confirmed to the court, she would be the decisive blow against Obamacare.

00:08:15.780 But look, she voted to uphold Obamacare.

00:08:18.280 Or that shows you libs, yeah, we're going to uphold Obamacare to own the libs. 1.00

00:08:23.740 Yeah, that's right.

00:08:24.660 And you think, gosh, if we own the libs anymore, we're not going to have a country left.

00:08:28.240 So that's not the sort of thing to celebrate, folks.

00:08:31.760 Good.

00:08:32.240 I'm glad that Catholic orphanages can continue to operate for now.

00:08:37.220 Who knows how long that will last.

00:08:39.120 But if that's victory and we've lost on every other issue, and if poor Jack Phillips has lost

00:08:45.120 his life at this point, his livelihood rather, because now all he does is deal with these

00:08:49.920 radical revolutionaries in court, then maybe we need to rethink our legal strategy.

00:08:57.640 Maybe the conservative legal movement has not been particularly effective.

00:09:00.980 The squishes really uphold this idea. 1.00

00:09:02.960 The squishes love this idea that liberalism is a neutral playing ground. 0.98

00:09:06.840 And look at the wonderful victories.

00:09:08.820 The Catholic Church is still allowed to have adoption agencies for now.

00:09:11.840 Well, I want a little bit more than that, folks, and I think we need to pay a little

00:09:15.280 more attention to these cultural issues.

00:09:17.140 Speaking of which, you know, I've taken, I guess, I guess it's an unpopular position.

00:09:22.500 Let me rephrase that.

00:09:23.720 I've taken a position that is very popular among the American people, but is very unpopular

00:09:28.900 among the media, among commentators, among politicians in the Democratic Party and in the Republican

00:09:35.200 Party.

00:09:36.500 Namely, Juneteenth should not be a federal holiday.

00:09:39.540 I have a column up.

00:09:40.560 It's a somewhat longer column at the Daily Wire.

00:09:43.060 You can read my arguments for that.

00:09:44.980 I've mentioned a few of them on the show here, but you can read that.

00:09:47.240 That's up now, and it's causing lots of controversy and consternation.

00:09:51.520 But my main argument, the main thrust of my argument was this is not about recognizing

00:09:56.100 the freeing of the slaves.

00:09:58.060 The purpose of this, taking this local holiday from Galveston, Texas, and pretending that it's

00:10:02.940 a very big, important national holiday, and then actually establishing it as our 11th annual

00:10:07.540 national federal holiday, is to create an alternative to Independence Day.

00:10:13.540 And I knew this was happening.

00:10:15.820 This was to create a holiday bereft of gratitude that's really focused on the resentment of our 0.85

00:10:20.260 evil, terrible, rotten country.

00:10:21.820 The title of the bill is the Juneteenth National Independence Day bill.

00:10:26.480 It's right there in the title that it's an alternative to the 4th of July.

00:10:30.000 During the debate over this in the House, so much of the Democratic debate focused on the

00:10:36.180 evils of our country.

00:10:37.520 And then Joe Biden signed it into law yesterday, and Joe Biden explained exactly what I told you

00:10:43.660 was going to happen.

00:10:45.500 Juneteenth marks both a long, hard night of slavery and subjugation, and a promise of a

00:10:56.040 brighter morning to come.

00:10:57.040 This is a day of profound, in my view, profound weight and profound power, a day in which we

00:11:05.040 remember the moral stain, the terrible toll that slavery took on the country and continues

00:11:15.040 to take, what I've long called America's original sin.

00:11:20.040 At the same time, I also remember the extraordinary capacity to heal and to hope and to emerge

00:11:30.440 from those painful moments in a bitter, bitter version of ourselves, but to make a better version

00:11:38.980 of ourselves.

00:11:40.920 The stain.

00:11:43.060 This day is about remembering the stains of America, the original sin. 0.66

00:11:48.260 And mind you, of course, slavery is not America's original sin.

00:11:53.040 Original sin is America's original sin, but we don't have any words to talk about that

00:11:57.280 anymore, I guess, in our moral discourse.

00:11:59.760 This is a day to remember how terrible America is, how much slavery, how much pain slavery has

00:12:07.340 inflicted on the country, and how much, in Obama, in Biden's words, it continues to inflict

00:12:13.220 on the country today, the only hope he's talking about is in the future.

00:12:18.740 It's not a day to celebrate victory.

00:12:21.360 It's not the Emancipation Proclamation.

00:12:23.180 It's not the 13th Amendment.

00:12:24.160 It's this kind of weird, inconclusive, overdue day that we're memorializing that still isn't

00:12:30.540 done.

00:12:30.800 It's a day to revel in resentment.

00:12:34.120 And that will be the reframing of American history.

00:12:38.080 For those of you, I know that there are some people out there who are conservatives who

00:12:40.880 say, this is a huge win for conservatives.

00:12:43.340 Huh, we're celebrating the day the Republicans freed all those Democrat slaves. 0.89

00:12:46.840 Uh-huh, right.

00:12:48.260 This is a great day.

00:12:49.160 We're going to celebrate Abraham Lincoln.

00:12:50.580 Are we?

00:12:51.100 Is that what they're talking about?

00:12:52.200 They're talking about celebrating Abraham Lincoln?

00:12:53.780 You heard that from Joe Biden?

00:12:54.780 No.

00:12:55.000 If this Juneteenth National Independence Day is such a win for conservatives, how come

00:13:01.200 all the people that pushed for it are Democrats?

00:13:04.760 How come some conservatives are opposed to it right now and all the people celebrating

00:13:08.260 it are Democrats?

00:13:09.140 Why?

00:13:09.380 Because they think it's such a big win for Republicans?

00:13:11.320 Are they just mistaken?

00:13:12.700 No.

00:13:13.100 I think probably many Republicans are mistaken in not understanding the import of this day

00:13:19.160 at a national.

00:13:20.520 I'm not talking about the local Galveston holiday.

00:13:22.140 I'm talking about the national level.

00:13:23.380 The new National Independence Day, it is a day for resentment. 0.63

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00:14:37.480 Racial grievance has taken on such social currency.

00:14:43.100 It may be the most valuable thing in the country right now.

00:14:46.800 Grievance in general, sexual grievance, all sorts of grievance.

00:14:50.680 Grievance is what the Juneteenth national holiday is about.

00:14:54.240 I'm distinguishing it from the local tradition that in very few places people have celebrated.

00:14:58.020 I'm talking about the national thing that even left-wing outlets like Salon.com admit

00:15:03.160 just have not been known at a widespread level until very recently through the machinations

00:15:08.960 of leftist activists.

00:15:11.020 In Newark, New Jersey right now, people have erected a 700-pound statue of George Floyd.

00:15:22.380 There is now a monument and a memorial to George Floyd.

00:15:27.200 People are taking photos with it like he's a hero, like he's a saint.

00:15:32.100 George Floyd was an unreformed career criminal who robbed pregnant women at gunpoint.

00:15:39.720 He held a gun to a pregnant woman while his buddies robbed her.

00:15:44.920 He died while resisting arrest for committing another crime.

00:15:51.260 It's not even like, look, St. Paul was a murderer.

00:15:53.260 People turned their lives around.

00:15:54.520 This guy didn't.

00:15:55.360 He was killed under these dubious circumstances and in a very, very problematic trial where

00:16:02.980 you had political pressure all the way up to the President of the United States and threats

00:16:06.760 of riots from congressmen.

00:16:08.720 Eventually, they convicted him of murder.

00:16:12.240 But I suspect they're going to have quite a lot to talk about on the appeal.

00:16:17.240 But even so, sure, dubious circumstances, no question about it, lots of questions.

00:16:20.660 The whole reason George Floyd was on the ground is because he asked to be taken out of the cop car.

00:16:25.380 Why did he ask to be taken out of the cop car?

00:16:28.380 Unclear.

00:16:28.800 He was obviously very high on drugs at the time.

00:16:30.680 But even the claim that the cop callously refused to get off of him, off of his neck, and then we

00:16:38.260 learned it was actually also his shoulders when he said, I can't breathe, is because he was saying,

00:16:42.760 I can't breathe before the cop ever really even touched him.

00:16:47.580 I'm not saying that we know that this was a justified arrest.

00:16:53.160 We know exactly how he died.

00:16:54.520 We really don't.

00:16:55.280 Even though the court ruled, we know that there was a lot of pressure on that court,

00:16:58.880 a lot of irregularities.

00:17:00.640 But even so, let's say it was a totally unjustified killing.

00:17:04.020 Let's say the guy was murdered.

00:17:06.420 You erect a statue of an unreformed criminal? 1.00

00:17:09.420 You only do that in a culture that values grievance and racial resentment over virtue,

00:17:20.280 sanctity, holiness, patriotism, courage, all of these sorts of things.

00:17:25.420 Absolutely insane.

00:17:27.900 But it's why it's happening now.

00:17:29.220 This is the other point I make on the Juneteenth national holiday.

00:17:32.200 If this is really just, oh, it's a great thing.

00:17:33.800 We're just celebrating this holiday.

00:17:35.060 It's been around forever.

00:17:36.620 It's been around for 100 years.

00:17:37.900 I mean, no one's ever heard of it.

00:17:39.160 But no, it's been around for so long.

00:17:40.800 And what, you never heard of Juneteenth?

00:17:42.420 Yeah, okay.

00:17:44.140 Why now?

00:17:45.660 Why is there this big push right now?

00:17:49.920 Do you think it has to do with remembering the glories of the Union troops and Abraham Lincoln?

00:17:54.420 Or do you think it has more to do with the racial resentment narrative that has cropped up and that has actually exploded literally onto the streets of our country, burning down city after city, notably during the BLM riots of 2020?

00:18:09.720 What do you think it's more about?

00:18:11.680 What do you think it's more about?

00:18:13.820 Actually, I know what it's about.

00:18:14.780 Because people say, why are holidays created?

00:18:17.080 Columbus Day was created in part for the 400th anniversary of the Great Explorer, in part because Italians the previous year had been the victims of the largest mass lynching in American history.

00:18:27.180 So it was in part to seem to make amends to Italians. 0.97

00:18:31.520 And I suspect that's what's going on here.

00:18:33.200 It's to make amends to black people in America. 1.00

00:18:39.600 What will this accomplish?

00:18:41.180 What will it do?

00:18:42.000 What is the amends specifically for?

00:18:44.000 I suspect it's not a whole lot has changed in the last several decades.

00:18:48.160 I suspect what it's for is this canard of the epidemic of systemic white racism and the cops and the killers and the white supremacy is the greatest threat to America, whatever Merrick Garland told us.

00:19:00.140 It's a false narrative that's being pushed. 0.93

00:19:04.160 And Republicans, sadly, going along with it.

00:19:06.940 Going along with it. 1.00

00:19:07.860 Some very woke black people, though, I mean woke in the best sense of that term, recognize that this racial narrative is just garbage, it's trash, it needs to be rejected, it is insidious, and it's harmful to black people themselves. 1.00

00:19:23.960 Like this man, who recently spoke at an Illinois school board meeting, he said, you think that I'm being kept down by the white man? 0.99

00:19:33.040 Well, if I'm being kept down by the white man, then how am I so successful?

00:19:35.760 You talk about critical race theory, which is pretty much going to be teaching kids how to hate each other, how to dislike each other, that's pretty much what it's going to all come down to.

00:19:47.580 You're going to deliberately teach kids, this white kid right here got it better than you because he's white? 0.96

00:19:52.740 You're going to purposely tell a white kid, oh, the black people are all down and suppressed. 0.97

00:19:56.320 How do I have two medical degrees if I'm sitting here oppressed?

00:19:59.140 How do I get, first of all, time up, because I only got five minutes now, five minutes, two medical degrees, no mom, no dad in the house.

00:20:05.760 Worked my way through college, sat there and hustled my butt off to get through college.

00:20:08.800 You're going to tell me somebody that looked like all y'all white folks kept me from doing that? 0.99

00:20:12.500 Are you serious?

00:20:13.560 Not one white person ever came to me and said, well, son, you're never going to be able to get nowhere because you know the black people.

00:20:17.760 But guess what?

00:20:18.580 What's sickening about this whole thing is what y'all doing right now is already something I do in my community right now to speak out against it. 0.95

00:20:24.320 Because black folks are getting told by other black folks, oh, you know you ain't going to be able to do nothing out there in the world because them white folks ain't going to let you get nowhere. 0.97

00:20:30.340 Oh, you know you're not going to be able to do it because the white man, the white man going to keep you down. 0.92

00:20:34.740 Well, how did I get where I am right now if some white man kept me down?

00:20:38.120 How am I now directing over folks that look just like you guys in this room right now?

00:20:41.480 How?

00:20:42.200 What kept me down?

00:20:43.280 What oppressed me?

00:20:44.400 What oppressed me?

00:20:45.280 You know, there was one time I was giving a speech at a college in Los Angeles and it was me and Drew giving the speech and at one point a group of entirely black students come into the room with duct tape over their mouths. 0.91

00:21:00.740 And some of it said silenced or whatever.

00:21:03.780 Some of it was just the tape.

00:21:05.740 And they obviously didn't know anything about me or Drew or the Young America's Foundation which was hosting it. 0.92

00:21:11.040 And it was just that usual canard that anybody that opposes radical leftism is a racist and a bigot and a terrible person.

00:21:19.700 And so they also had no idea what we were talking about.

00:21:23.080 So I said, hey, we've got these microphones up here.

00:21:26.980 You seem to be under the impression that you're silenced.

00:21:32.100 So does anybody want to come up here and talk?

00:21:34.220 Do any of you guys with the tape on your face want to come talk?

00:21:37.320 Because I've got a microphone.

00:21:38.340 You can make whatever point you want or ask whatever question you want.

00:21:40.540 And I'm happy to talk about it.

00:21:42.540 Nobody would do it.

00:21:44.040 Nobody would do it.

00:21:44.680 They didn't have anything to say.

00:21:46.320 You might say they were speechless.

00:21:49.680 It's the title of my upcoming book, Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds, which is available for pre-order but not for much longer.

00:21:56.020 They were silenced.

00:21:57.780 They had put the tape over their own mouths.

00:22:01.340 I asked them that question.

00:22:02.420 I said, who put that tape on your mouth? 0.98

00:22:04.340 Was it the white man? 0.78

00:22:06.880 Was it the system?

00:22:08.140 Was it the power is the dean?

00:22:10.540 No, of course not.

00:22:12.940 It was they themselves who had done it.

00:22:15.820 Now, this guy, this father who was speaking at the school board meeting, absolutely right about this pernicious ideology, critical race theory.

00:22:25.180 It's just awful.

00:22:26.480 We talk about how it's anti-white racism. 0.97

00:22:29.380 So that's bad. 0.97

00:22:30.020 Bad for white people. 0.96

00:22:30.800 Also bad for black people because it creates this culture of victimhood and grievance that will not serve anybody well. 1.00

00:22:40.120 Speaking of educational decline, I had to read to you a headline from a new study. 1.00

00:22:46.460 This shows you how stupid we've gotten in this world. 1.00

00:22:50.000 This was from The Guardian. 1.00

00:22:52.700 Headline.

00:22:54.620 Aging process is unstoppable, finds unprecedented study.

00:23:00.300 Immortality and everlasting youth are the stuff of myths, according to new research, new research, which may finally end the eternal debate about whether we can live forever.

00:23:13.580 How much, oh my gosh, how much money do you think these researchers wasted undertaking this shocking, unprecedented study that found out that men are mortal? 1.00

00:23:28.920 You idiots. 1.00

00:23:30.420 Oh my gosh. 1.00

00:23:31.620 I've heard this from some of my kind of futurist friends.

00:23:35.360 Generally, they're more of my liberal friends who say, you know, we're going to find the cure to death.

00:23:40.760 We are probably within our lifetimes.

00:23:42.860 Maybe we'll just miss it, but they're going to cure death.

00:23:46.740 Okay, we're going to figure out the way to solve all the ailments of age and we're going to live forever. 0.97

00:23:52.060 And I thought, you know, pharaohs, evil geniuses, dictators, billionaires, they've all sort of tried at this and it's always very foolish.

00:24:06.180 This is the stuff of myth and legend.

00:24:09.300 We want to live forever and part of the human condition is coming to grips with this apparent tragedy that we will die, the fact of our own mortality.

00:24:18.100 One may have life everlasting, but you're not going to find it in this mortal coil.

00:24:25.540 We no longer even know that.

00:24:28.000 Our scientific geniuses no longer even know that man is a mortal being.

00:24:32.940 What else do they not know?

00:24:36.500 They don't know anything about men. 0.95

00:24:38.980 But, you know, there are some things I know for certain about men.

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00:25:49.340 There's really bad political news that has come out of the coronavirus lockdowns.

00:25:53.400 Obviously, we've lost a lot of our political rights.

00:25:55.660 They shut down churches for a long time.

00:25:57.540 They completely overhauled the election procedures to take away a lot of voter integrity measures.

00:26:03.120 There are a lot of political problems, okay, with the lockdowns.

00:26:07.000 But the biggest political problem for conservatives is that it has eroded the political power of our main constituency on the right.

00:26:17.440 There was a new report that just came out yesterday from, used data from Harvard, Brown, and the Gates Foundation that showed that the COVID-19 lockdowns had a far worse effect on middle class Americans than on very rich Americans.

00:26:37.680 So, back in January and March 2021, Americans earning above $60,000 a year observed a 2.4% overall increase in employment.

00:26:50.100 They actually, they increased their employment, right?

00:26:54.660 Workers earning below $60,000 a year and workers earning below $27,000 a year saw a 4.5% and 23.6% decrease in their employment, respectively.

00:27:07.680 So, the lowest classes are getting hit very, very hard as well.

00:27:12.040 But the thing that we've got to worry about is the middle classes. 1.00

00:27:15.320 The rich go up.

00:27:17.680 The poor, the quite poor, don't forget, have access to government programs and more stimulus and more unemployment.

00:27:27.320 But the middle class gets squeezed.

00:27:30.420 The middle class traditionally has been the conservative constituency.

00:27:35.000 The lowest classes tend to be easy prey for Democrats to promise them goodies. 0.52

00:27:44.400 The upper classes are part of the ruling regime.

00:27:48.000 They tend to go for the Democrats.

00:27:50.240 But the middle, that's where the conservatives thrive.

00:27:53.320 And the middle is getting squeezed.

00:27:56.640 Really, really squeezed.

00:27:57.960 This has been true since the 70s, at least.

00:28:02.320 And it's getting worse and worse and worse.

00:28:05.920 And conservatives are ignoring this at their own peril.

00:28:11.860 There has been much talk of the Great Reset.

00:28:14.580 You know, what is the Great Reset?

00:28:16.180 Well, this is not a conspiracy theory in as much as many world leaders have used this very phrase.

00:28:21.520 They've said that we need to build back better and come out of the pandemic stronger in a new economy that's better for global warming and better for international cooperation, whatever nonsense.

00:28:33.420 They are explicit in their goal of revolutionizing society.

00:28:40.140 There's nothing new.

00:28:40.820 That didn't start with the pandemic.

00:28:41.940 That's been going on for a long time.

00:28:43.680 And the key to that is going to be to breaking down the intermediating institutions and political blocks that are stopping them from taking more and more and more power.

00:28:53.700 And so much of that is going to be in the middle class.

00:28:55.860 Any successful conservative political movement in this country, it's not going to be shilling for billionaires.

00:29:02.520 It's just not.

00:29:03.420 It's good when billionaires donate money to help us win campaigns, but it's not going to be shilling for billionaires.

00:29:08.780 It's not going to be shilling for multinational corporations.

00:29:11.100 It's not going to be winning over the most destitute of the destitute.

00:29:15.760 It won't.

00:29:16.460 I mean, it's, you know, we want to welcome everybody into our party.

00:29:19.860 But just as a practical political matter, it's going to be in the middle.

00:29:24.320 So, and if it's not in the middle, then we're just going to lose.

00:29:27.340 Lots of our rights are being taken away right now.

00:29:29.960 Mark and Patricia McCloskey, you remember them?

00:29:32.460 They should be the cover of the Brooks Brothers catalog as far as I'm concerned.

00:29:35.980 The guy wearing the, he was, it actually was a Brooks Brothers shirt, wearing a pink polo shirt, nice chinos, holding his AR-15.

00:29:42.740 His wife with that little, what is that, like a Walter PPK or something on it?

00:29:46.740 It's a little like James Bond gun, standing out when the BLM rioters busted through their property.

00:29:52.480 They've now pled guilty to misdemeanors and had to surrender their weapons to St. Louis authorities.

00:29:58.460 Think about how crazy, they charged him with felonies and they just had to plead it down.

00:30:03.660 The McCloskeys did nothing wrong. 0.96

00:30:06.460 They could use a little better trigger discipline, but they did nothing wrong.

00:30:10.740 Armed criminals busted onto their property, broke some of their property, threatened their lives.

00:30:17.480 These two pull out their weapons to make sure they, they never even fire their weapons.

00:30:23.780 And they're the ones getting in trouble.

00:30:26.660 The BLM terrorists and criminals, they get off scot-free. 1.00

00:30:32.280 The McCloskeys, who are mostly responsibly exercising their Second Amendment rights, they don't. 1.00

00:30:39.280 They have to plead guilty to crimes and they, crimes that they did not commit.

00:30:42.300 And they need to surrender their weapons and their Second Amendment right. 0.86

00:30:47.580 Fake atrocities, very important.

00:30:50.160 Namely, exercising your Second Amendment right.

00:30:52.520 Real atrocities, like someone busting onto your property and threatening your life, are ignored.

00:30:57.060 Or even realer atrocities, more significant atrocities, like killing a million babies a year through abortion, ignored.

00:31:02.560 Nancy Pelosi was just asked this question.

00:31:04.600 Pelosi pretends to be a practicing Catholic sometimes.

00:31:07.500 She is an ardent defender of abortion.

00:31:12.980 This has become a big issue now with a nominally Catholic president who nevertheless breaks with the church, disobeys the church on very important matters.

00:31:23.260 So this has been a big debate among bishops.

00:31:25.360 Do they punish these scandalous, heretical, sometimes apostate Catholics? 1.00

00:31:32.480 Do they formally excommunicate them or anything like that?

00:31:35.340 Pelosi was just asked about this issue of abortion.

00:31:38.260 Her answer, pretty weak sauce. 0.66

00:31:40.080 The Supreme Court this fall will review a Mississippi law that bans most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.

00:31:45.760 Is an unborn baby at 15 weeks a human being?

00:31:50.380 Let me just say that I'm a big supporter of Roe v. Wade.

00:31:54.260 I am a mother of five children in six years.

00:31:57.020 I think I have some standing on this issue as to respecting a woman's right to choose.

00:32:01.980 Is it a human being?

00:32:02.700 Yes.

00:32:03.000 Yes, ma'am.

00:32:04.380 What kind of an answer was that?

00:32:07.920 That wasn't an answer at all.

00:32:09.000 I like the reporter saying, no, I'm just asking, is it a human being?

00:32:11.740 She won't, obviously she won't answer that. 0.94

00:32:13.100 Her answer is, the question of course is, do you support being able to kill babies in the womb? 0.54

00:32:19.360 She goes, well, I've had five kids. 0.71

00:32:21.340 So I think I've got a lot of standing here. 0.64

00:32:23.880 As if to say, hey, Nancy Pelosi, should it be legal to kill people? 0.83

00:32:28.180 Well, I have not killed many people.

00:32:32.200 There are many people that I have not killed.

00:32:34.220 So I think I'm something of an authority on this question.

00:32:37.040 What are you talking about?

00:32:37.800 That doesn't mean anything.

00:32:39.480 But she just ignores the question and moves on. 0.95

00:32:41.980 And there's no scandal here among her constituents and among the powers that be.

00:32:47.360 Speaking of killers, I want to get to this before we get to the mailbag.

00:32:50.060 Vladimir Putin was just asked a question, point blank, by NBC News. 0.97

00:32:55.680 Are you a killer? 0.95

00:32:56.600 A lot of Putin critics wind up dead. 1.00

00:32:58.460 Are you a killer? 0.95

00:32:59.260 His answer, there's a lot there. 0.79

00:33:02.080 There's a lot there. 0.72

00:33:03.280 The late John McCain in Congress called you a killer. 0.97

00:33:09.140 When President Trump was asked, was told that you are a killer, he didn't deny it. 0.99

00:33:14.800 When President Biden was asked whether he believes you are a killer, 0.98

00:33:18.580 he said, I do. 0.98

00:33:21.100 Mr. President, are you a killer? 0.97

00:33:26.760 Look, over my tenure, I've gotten used to attacks from all kinds of angles, 0.99

00:33:35.280 from all kinds of directions under all kinds of pretexts and reasons

00:33:40.360 and of different caliber and fierceness.

00:33:42.880 And none of it surprises me.

00:33:44.580 The people with whom I work and with whom I argue on the international arena,

00:33:49.900 we're not bride and groom.

00:33:51.240 We don't swear everlasting love and friendship.

00:33:53.400 We are partners.

00:33:54.600 And in some areas, we are rivals.

00:33:58.180 As far as harsh rhetoric, I think that this is an expression of overall U.S. culture.

00:34:04.320 So the reporter pushes him.

00:34:06.760 He says, you didn't answer the question.

00:34:08.040 And then he goes, and then he just kind of gives more of the same theory that he has here

00:34:14.380 of the way that the U.S. and Russia relate.

00:34:17.680 Forget about the actual political question for a second. 0.65

00:34:20.200 It's quite clear that Vladimir Putin has killed his critics.

00:34:23.660 Here's the important rhetorical lesson that we should all learn from Vladimir Putin.

00:34:27.700 Because the guy's a very effective politician.

00:34:29.340 Not saying we need to learn the substantive stuff,

00:34:30.920 but the rhetorical stuff, the technical stuff, we should learn.

00:34:34.160 Do not answer your enemy's loaded questions.

00:34:37.500 Do not give in to their premises.

00:34:39.080 This is the subject you might know.

00:34:41.100 This is one of the most important lessons you may have heard.

00:34:44.440 In my upcoming book, Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds,

00:34:46.720 it is available now for pre-order for four more days.

00:34:49.460 Thank you to everybody who has pre-ordered.

00:34:51.840 The numbers are really, really strong on the pre-order.

00:34:55.000 I suspect that there are going to be a lot of places, not just on the left, but on the squishy right,

00:35:01.840 even very powerful places on the squishy right, that are going to try to ignore this book

00:35:05.820 because it contradicts a lot of their loser strategy and loser rhetoric.

00:35:12.620 And there are a lot of court jester conservatives out there who are going to try to ignore this.

00:35:17.020 So I appreciate all of you pre-ordering.

00:35:19.160 I know a number of people have pre-ordered multiple copies even.

00:35:21.900 So that's great.

00:35:23.240 The signed first edition, there is obviously, you can get it on Amazon or Barnes & Noble.

00:35:27.360 And there is the audio book as well, which is read by moi, by yours truly.

00:35:32.100 I really want to stick one to the squishes, so I appreciate that. 1.00

00:35:35.140 And you can order that right now.

00:35:36.340 Also, Amazon, you know, removed the historic and moving documentary,

00:35:41.380 which they took down during none other than Black History Month, of Clarence Thomas.

00:35:46.020 How do you remove a Clarence Thomas documentary during Black History Month?

00:35:49.740 Well, The Daily Wire has decided to step in and acquire the North American streaming rights.

00:35:55.240 So, because we're in the movies now.

00:35:57.240 So right now, you will be able to add Created Equal, this is the Clarence Thomas documentary,

00:36:02.740 to your Daily Wire queue.

00:36:04.740 Take a quick peek at the trailer.

00:36:06.020 I was never going to be white. 0.65

00:36:09.240 The problem is I can never go back completely to the world I came from.

00:36:14.420 I saw what I had become.

00:36:16.100 And I asked God, if you take anger out of my heart, I'll never hate again. 0.84

00:36:20.420 You're not really black because you're not doing what we expect black people to do. 1.00

00:36:24.360 That's when all heck broke loose. 0.98

00:36:26.360 So you'd still like to serve on the Supreme Court?

00:36:28.800 I'd rather die than withdraw from the process.

00:36:31.180 That's great.

00:36:36.960 I'm so glad we did this.

00:36:38.600 I actually, coincidentally, I met the guy who made this movie on an Amtrak train.

00:36:42.340 I did.

00:36:42.820 Not Joe Biden.

00:36:43.700 Not Amtrak Joe.

00:36:44.740 Certainly not Joe Biden.

00:36:45.800 Joe Biden was actually an important figure in this movie.

00:36:48.100 So you can go stream Created Equal live tonight at 9 p.m. Eastern, 8 p.m. Central at dailywire.com.

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00:37:05.500 We'll be right back with The Mailbag.

00:37:18.680 Welcome back to the show.

00:37:19.860 So, my favorite time of the week, The Mailbag.

00:37:22.680 First question from Camille.

00:37:24.820 Dear Michael, I heard your mailbag last week about a guy expressing his feelings and reaching

00:37:28.900 out to a girl he knew while having a girlfriend.

00:37:31.660 I'm in a similar situation.

00:37:33.060 Well, I agree that if he doesn't break up with his girlfriend, he's just trying to have

00:37:37.080 his cake and eat it too.

00:37:38.420 If the girl feels the same, should she try to pursue it in a way that is not amoral?

00:37:43.520 I personally know married couples who met where one of them was already in another committed

00:37:47.780 relationship.

00:37:48.480 At what point do you just give up because they're not single?

00:37:51.580 And at what point do you try?

00:37:52.780 Sincerely, this was actually going to be my advice and that's the way you signed the letter.

00:37:58.340 Sincerely, just because there's a goalie doesn't mean you can't score.

00:38:01.440 Score in a moral way, obviously.

00:38:03.320 Yes.

00:38:03.900 This is a very good point.

00:38:04.720 Today, we erase all the distinctions between local, state, and federal government, between

00:38:12.480 friendships and romantic relationships, between dating and marriage, and it's all just kind

00:38:20.060 of fluid, man.

00:38:20.680 But look, if someone is not yet married, then that opens up certain more opportunities to

00:38:28.820 pursue those people than someone who is married.

00:38:31.040 Then that person's really off limits.

00:38:32.800 But before that, the guy ain't married yet, okay?

00:38:38.000 Yes, I think it's important to go after what you want as long as what you want is a good

00:38:43.480 thing.

00:38:44.160 And when people are dating, they're just dating, you know?

00:38:46.900 And they can pursue other options.

00:38:51.380 But I wouldn't, I suppose what I'm saying for these people who, they've got a girlfriend 0.94

00:38:57.420 or a boyfriend, but they're actively pursuing someone else on the side, is eventually, they've

00:39:05.000 got to make a decision.

00:39:06.560 And really, before anything happens, I don't think they should be really, you know, really

00:39:11.900 exploring all of those options to the fullest physical extent, or even to the fullest emotional

00:39:18.620 extent, for that matter, until they make a decision.

00:39:21.820 Because otherwise, you're in a situation where you're getting someone who is compromising

00:39:30.260 their character, right?

00:39:32.040 When a man cheats on his wife, or when a man leaves his wife for his mistress, what happens?

00:39:37.380 You get a job opening, is what happens.

00:39:39.300 You think that's not going to happen again, it probably will.

00:39:43.240 So you need to be prudent, not just for the objective moral questions involved in the

00:39:48.500 relationship that currently exists, but even just for you.

00:39:51.500 You want to make sure, I think it's totally fine.

00:39:53.520 If people are dating other people, and then they decide they don't want to date those people

00:39:56.640 anymore, and they want to date each other, okay, that's fine.

00:39:59.560 But that's a very tricky thing to do.

00:40:03.600 You've got to make sure that no one's compromising their own character while they do it.

00:40:08.340 From Weston, hello Michael, most austere and religious podcaster and prodigious prognosticator

00:40:14.300 who leaves his listeners speechless, controlling words, controlling minds.

00:40:18.520 I'm a 23-year-old guy, and my issue is that I'm one of the 102% of men who are dealing with

00:40:23.620 addictions to porn.

00:40:24.700 It has seriously harmed my perceptions and relationships of and with women.

00:40:29.180 My subconscious standards are a messed up conflation of a good Catholic woman. 0.91

00:40:32.580 My question, besides prayers to the Trinity and all the angels and saints, how do I get to

00:40:35.820 a point where I have a healthier perception of women and sexuality, and how could I manifest

00:40:39.360 that in my relationship with women in general, and hopefully with a woman in a more intimate

00:40:42.860 relationship?

00:40:43.540 Thanks.

00:40:44.420 First step, cut out the porn. 1.00

00:40:45.980 I know, easier said than done.

00:40:47.800 It's like saying to a heroin addict, hey, just put down the needle, but just do it.

00:40:51.840 You can do that.

00:40:52.740 One can persevere, certainly with God's grace, and also with the cultivation of virtue, which

00:40:58.580 might take a long time.

00:40:59.820 One, tools that will help you on this path, if you are Catholic, I suspect you are from 1.00

00:41:04.600 the question, and even if you're not Catholic, I would recommend trying to find something

00:41:09.200 like this, even if you don't swim all the way across the Tiber.

00:41:11.920 Namely, go to confession.

00:41:13.460 When you go to confession, count your sins.

00:41:15.980 Name them and count them.

00:41:17.640 It is a humiliating thing, not just on sex stuff, on all sorts of things.

00:41:21.340 It's humiliating to name and count your sins.

00:41:24.340 That's the point.

00:41:25.160 That's the point, is one, you want to confess this, not just in your own mind, not just in

00:41:31.320 the privacy of this very, very individualistic liberal religion that has taken over much

00:41:37.780 of the West over the last couple hundred years, but to another person on your knees that will

00:41:41.800 really do something.

00:41:43.500 And it will create this practical benefit of you not wanting to commit that sin again

00:41:49.340 so that you don't need to tell the priest.

00:41:51.640 And you should abstain from receiving the Eucharist until you do that.

00:41:57.940 There are other things you can do.

00:42:00.220 Wherever you commit that, wherever you look at the porn, wherever you, just don't spend

00:42:04.120 a lot of time there.

00:42:04.840 This is the idea of the near occasion of sin.

00:42:06.480 Just don't do it.

00:42:07.680 This is true not just of porn.

00:42:09.060 It's true of anything you fall into.

00:42:10.780 If there are places where you are more likely to fall into that sin, if there are people with

00:42:15.980 whom you're more likely to fall into that sin, then avoid those places and avoid those

00:42:20.920 people.

00:42:22.500 Then, when you do commit a sin, again, it's not just sex stuff.

00:42:27.280 It's any kind of sin.

00:42:28.440 Do not take that as an excuse to commit it a hundred million more times.

00:42:32.760 You know, in for a penny, in for a pound, right?

00:42:34.380 No, that's not how that works.

00:42:37.380 Then, I would recommend some kind of sacramentals even.

00:42:40.860 I mean, this is now we're getting really Catholic here, I guess.

00:42:42.960 But some Catholics will wear things like a scapular.

00:42:46.320 Scapular is a couple pieces of cloth on a string.

00:42:49.800 You wear it around you.

00:42:50.740 It's similar to the kind of broader scapular of people who are in monastic orders.

00:42:56.740 Some people wear a little crucifix, a little cross on your neck, a medal.

00:43:01.000 These things will just remind you.

00:43:03.120 If you have, I don't know, if you have icons or anything in your home, these things will

00:43:06.560 just remind you.

00:43:07.320 I'm speaking in a very practical, tangible way.

00:43:10.740 You will not be quite as inclined to commit those sins when you've got a physical reminder

00:43:15.520 there that you really should not be doing that.

00:43:17.900 That's the first step.

00:43:18.840 You are not going to do this in the recesses of your own mind.

00:43:23.740 You are going to do this through real practice in the physical world.

00:43:27.840 There's a good book that I would recommend you read as well called The Spiritual Combat

00:43:31.140 by Dom Lorenzo Scupoli.

00:43:33.880 Really, really good book.

00:43:35.520 It was written hundreds and hundreds of years ago, and it's very, very good on these points.

00:43:39.260 Next question.

00:43:39.820 But you know when you should read that book?

00:43:42.260 You should read it after you read another book.

00:43:45.100 I'm going to save the bell for now.

00:43:48.320 I think you know what I'm talking about.

00:43:49.540 From Nick.

00:43:50.260 Hey, Michael.

00:43:51.560 Me again.

00:43:53.020 Oh, Nick.

00:43:53.580 Oh, my God.

00:43:54.240 Yes, I remember you, Nick.

00:43:55.720 Thanks for the advice last week on the...

00:43:57.780 Yeah, here it is.

00:43:58.620 Thanks for the advice on the astrology chicks.

00:44:00.580 I'm no longer seeing any of those women who collect crystals and whose apartments smell 1.00

00:44:04.940 like a party city on Halloween.

00:44:06.900 However, by eliminating those others, I'm now with a woman.

00:44:11.440 I'm glad you've narrowed it down to one.

00:44:13.200 With a separate potential issue, I knew that when we started dating, she was bi, and I thought

00:44:19.360 that it could be fun because liking hot women is a common ground that we share. 0.73

00:44:23.400 But now I'm wondering if it will become an issue if we get more serious.

00:44:27.980 Sincerely, is two company and three a crowd?

00:44:33.460 Nick, you live an interesting life, my friend.

00:44:36.500 You know, I suspect it's not all that different from the lives of many millennials and Gen Zers,

00:44:40.180 but the fact that this woman that you have started dating has had some interesting desires

00:44:48.480 or perhaps experiences in her life is not disqualifying in itself.

00:44:53.920 That's true of everybody.

00:44:55.460 And I suppose that is common ground.

00:44:57.420 Liking hot women would be something you have in common with her. 1.00

00:45:00.220 However, in your life right now, dating this woman, three is a crowd.

00:45:07.400 Lord, you know, a lot of my friends are libs and they're a little, some of them are pretty 0.98

00:45:12.340 radical out there.

00:45:13.360 And I do know people who have been involved in all sorts of crazy relationships with more

00:45:19.100 than two people and all that sort of stuff.

00:45:22.000 It doesn't work out.

00:45:23.680 It does not.

00:45:24.260 I've never seen it work out.

00:45:27.100 Certainly not before they stopped doing all that sort of stuff.

00:45:30.260 Do not do it.

00:45:31.320 This girl sounds eccentric and interesting and she should be enough for you. 0.99

00:45:36.760 And you should be enough for her, frankly.

00:45:38.340 And if you're not, then tell her to go take a walk. 1.00

00:45:40.740 From James.

00:45:41.700 Hi, Michael.

00:45:42.160 An old girlfriend of mine and I, these were all relationship questions today.

00:45:45.120 An old girlfriend of mine and I are friends on Facebook.

00:45:47.480 Today she announced to the world that she was a member of the LGBT, L-M-N-O-P, one, two, 1.00

00:45:52.220 three, yeah.

00:45:53.080 Apparently she's demisexual, complete with a pride flag. 0.99

00:45:57.060 According to Wikipedia, demisexual people do not experience sexual attraction to another

00:46:01.240 unless they have formed a strong emotional bond with that person.

00:46:04.920 This sounds an awful lot like what a relationship used to be.

00:46:09.760 Meet the person, date the person, fall in love with the person, then become intimate rather

00:46:12.820 than swipe right, be intimate, then decide if you want a relationship.

00:46:15.800 Is this just another way for people to jump on the LGBT bandwagon?

00:46:20.460 Thanks.

00:46:21.560 Yes, it's a way for people to feel special.

00:46:23.300 It's a way for people who are in a culture that has rejected the thing that actually makes

00:46:30.220 them special, namely that they are made in the image of God and have human dignity and

00:46:35.440 are, in Aristotle's words, the political animal because they have speech.

00:46:41.180 No, not yet, but some books talk about this.

00:46:44.860 They reject that, that ultimate sort of divine spark of man that is reflected in man and they

00:46:52.420 try to just find things about themselves.

00:46:54.600 But a man wrapped up in himself makes a very small package indeed.

00:46:57.380 And yes, this, this ex-girlfriend of yours is now saying that she's really special and

00:47:02.100 she's, you know, oppressed and she's eccentric because she's a normal woman who doesn't, 1.00

00:47:12.320 who doesn't just engage in casual sex in the same way that men do and doesn't enjoy it as 0.74

00:47:17.500 much.

00:47:17.820 That was one of the lies of second wave feminism is that women relate to sex in the same way 1.00

00:47:21.680 that men do.

00:47:22.180 It's not true.

00:47:22.820 It's frankly, I assume that it was just men looking to get laid who, who came up with

00:47:27.980 second wave feminism because it gave them such an advantage in that department and convinced 1.00

00:47:33.380 women to work against their own interests. 1.00

00:47:35.500 But no, I suspect all women deep down just about are demisexuals. 1.00

00:47:40.660 And, uh, your ex-girlfriend is special, but not for that reason.

00:47:44.160 From Margo, Michael, sweetheart, that's my name.

00:47:47.160 Don't wear it out.

00:47:48.320 Margo, nice to hear from you.

00:47:49.240 Uh, I am interested in your opinion on the log cabin Republicans movement within the

00:47:53.820 conservative party and the conservative movement.

00:47:55.660 In a previous episode of your show, you talked about how it's difficult to be both transgender

00:48:00.800 and conservative.

00:48:01.800 What about those who are gay and also consider themselves to be conservative?

00:48:05.600 Shouldn't conservatives be united in conserving traditional values, especially regarding marriage

00:48:09.120 and sexuality?

00:48:10.660 Insert shameless plug. 1.00

00:48:12.260 Like, no, okay, I don't think this is going to count for a ding because Margo's writing

00:48:16.080 insert shameless plug for a specialist, speechless, controlling words, controlling minds here.

00:48:19.180 Ding.

00:48:19.800 God bless your number one fangirl, Margo.

00:48:22.520 Great, great question, Margo.

00:48:23.940 And great to hear from you.

00:48:24.820 I think there is a distinction to be had here between transgender people who, you know, men

00:48:33.280 who believe that they're women conservatives, quote unquote, and homosexual conservatives. 0.73

00:48:39.260 Namely, if you're a homosexual, you are expressing your sexual desires in a way that may transgress 0.97

00:48:46.420 the moral order, in a way that may transgress tradition, in a way that in an older time would

00:48:52.400 have transgressed social mores, though I guess today it would not.

00:48:56.380 But you are not exactly denying reality and you are not forcing others to deny reality.

00:49:04.660 Where, you know, you might say that they are denying the reality of the moral order, sure.

00:49:10.080 I mean, fine.

00:49:12.780 But the transgender movement is explicitly denying reality and is coercing all the other people 1.00

00:49:21.780 in the conservative movement to deny reality as well with the pronouns and calling people

00:49:27.960 Caitlin when their real name is Bruce or whatever.

00:49:30.400 So I do think there is a difference here.

00:49:33.100 Now, there are some squishy conservatives who have said with regard to the log cabin

00:49:37.640 that conservatives need to be totally on board and they have to abandon whatever moral or religious

00:49:44.080 objections they have to certain sexual acts and they have to embrace the new definition

00:49:48.900 of marriage and there's nothing greater than that and we all need to wave the pride flag.

00:49:51.720 I think that's preposterous, okay?

00:49:54.480 Obviously, that's not true.

00:49:57.640 However, if understanding these deep moral issues, if understanding that people have different

00:50:04.260 views of sex, Margo, I know you're a Catholic, you know that I'm a Catholic, the Catholic view

00:50:08.460 of sex is fairly restrictive. 0.96

00:50:10.920 It's not just homosexuals who don't get to do that sort of thing, but many, many other sexual 0.95

00:50:17.100 acts are just not permitted and the same would be true in Islam, the same would be true in 1.00

00:50:21.380 other religions too.

00:50:22.820 If there are people who say, you know, I have these sexual preferences by my own lights,

00:50:28.700 I've really determined that I think this is okay and this is how I'm going to live my life

00:50:32.680 and I know that you don't approve of some of these things, but that doesn't bother me

00:50:37.460 and we get along and we're all, we actually are trying to oppose the radical left and we

00:50:42.960 are trying to advance a political agenda that we can work on together.

00:50:47.860 Well, I think that's great.

00:50:48.800 I'm all for that.

00:50:49.520 I'm not for one of the people who says that we need to excise, you know, log cabin or excise

00:50:54.260 all sorts of people from the conservative movement.

00:50:57.360 Just so long as it is not a requirement that we all go along and we all give up our deeply

00:51:03.800 held moral and religious views.

00:51:06.720 Because the issue of transgenderism is just, there's no getting around it. 1.00

00:51:12.300 We are going to have to use he or we are going to have to use she and that's the way it is. 1.00

00:51:16.720 One last question from Nate.

00:51:17.600 Hey, Michael, my name is Nate.

00:51:20.080 I'm currently going through a divorce two years after my marriage due to an unfaithful

00:51:23.140 wife.

00:51:23.500 We have no kids and I love her with all my heart, but can't get past the betrayal.

00:51:27.520 I need all the advice I can get.

00:51:29.180 Please give me some advice that will help me through this difficult time.

00:51:32.020 So sorry to hear that.

00:51:33.580 Really, so that's a really horrible, horrible thing that you are going through.

00:51:37.700 I would recommend, this actually ties in with the previous question because I know that,

00:51:41.360 I know that these days all sort of, of the Christian view of sex, it's for some reason 0.95

00:51:47.040 surrounds this issue of homosexuality or transgenderism or something, but it's, it's, it's a really

00:51:52.220 not, not about that.

00:51:53.520 That what I would urge you to do if you can is try to save the marriage.

00:51:58.700 Assuming it was a valid marriage in the first place, which I don't, I don't know.

00:52:02.500 I would urge you to try to save it.

00:52:04.140 Even going through that horrible, horrible thing, I suspect that would be better in the

00:52:10.580 long run.

00:52:11.300 Marriages have survived infidelity.

00:52:13.160 It's a horrible, horrible thing.

00:52:14.220 But that's, that's the first thing I would encourage you to do if you can go through

00:52:18.260 some sort of couples therapy or talk to a priest or that, that sort of thing.

00:52:25.080 You know, it's, it's easier to fix things than to build them anew.

00:52:29.340 And it's easier to destroy things than it is to build.

00:52:31.420 That's one of the big lessons of the left and the right.

00:52:33.260 So I can pray for you though.

00:52:35.540 And, and I hope that you can repair this thing that seems like it, it's strongly broken.

00:52:41.920 All right.

00:52:42.800 I guess that's true of our whole country.

00:52:44.080 Hope we can repair this thing that seems quite broken.

00:52:46.280 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:52:46.900 This is Michael Knowles.

00:52:47.480 Shall see you on Monday.

00:52:51.440 Speechless.

00:52:58.580 Here it comes.

00:52:59.600 Oh no, no.

00:53:00.580 No.

00:53:00.640 No.

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The Michael Knowles Show - June 18, 2021

Ep. 788 - The Courts Won’t Save Us

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