Ep. 797 - Unknown Knowns
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Summary
Trump gives the strongest signal yet that he will run for president in 2024. Plus, a look at why some Republicans think it would be the worst thing in the world if Donald Trump ran for president again. And a new report about the NSA spying on Tucker Carlson.
Transcript
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President Trump has given his strongest signal yet that he will be running for president in 2024.
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For legal reasons, President Trump cannot yet announce that he's running.
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But during an interview with Sean Hannity, the former president did not exactly play coy.
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Where are you in the process of, or have, let me ask you this, without giving the answer what the answer is,
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That's what politicians do when they want to keep the idea going that they'll run, but they don't really want to run.
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You're going to be really happy with my answer.
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Some Republicans think that it would be the absolute worst thing in the world if Trump runs again.
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I think Republicans have a lot to learn from the Donald and from other past leaders, actually from
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other past Donalds, including the legendary defense secretary, Don Rumsfeld, who died yesterday.
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It's getting harder to learn these days because we're losing all of our standards in our schools,
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But on this show, today and every day, we will insist on standards.
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My favorite comment yesterday from Lilia Rosales, who says,
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Michael is reading the NSA statement and paying attention to every word like a spouse that was cheated on.
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You're parsing every little, you know, you find your, your cat of a husband's cell phone and you're parsing every word,
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this, that, and the other thing, because the trust has been broken.
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In a marriage that's gone awry, the trust has been broken.
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In our relationship to the federal government, these agencies that are spying on us
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and they're deceiving us about spying on us, that the trust is broken.
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And by the way, when you parse every word on that ridiculous NSA non-denial denial about spying on Tucker Carlson,
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when you parse every word, you realize, wait a second, they didn't, they did not deny what Tucker Carlson is alleging.
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I know that he created some problems for himself that he probably didn't need to.
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I know that he made some wrong turns on policy.
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I'm thinking of the first, the jailbreak bill, the First Step Act and some other problems.
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But compared to the Republican establishment, I think that guy's got the right impulses.
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And I think a lot of the Republican establishment politicians really do not.
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An example of this, I hate to criticize our own side, but I suppose I have to.
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Representative Kevin McCarthy, he's the House GOP leader.
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He was speaking about a bill that would take down Confederate statues in the Capitol.
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And, you know, this is a problem throughout the United States.
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This is a bill that is being pushed by Democrats, but McCarthy is supporting it.
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And the reason behind why he's supporting it, I just, it's just a little weak.
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All the statues being removed by this bill are statues of Democrats.
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Madam Speaker, as I heard the Speaker talk earlier about removing of the four portraits of speakers in the hall,
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What's interesting, the statues that need to be removed were sent to the Capitol by states that were majority controlled by Democrats,
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sent to a house that had a majority controlled by Democrats, accepting of these statues.
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So, the question is, do we tear down our history?
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Do we tear down the art pieces that were put up to support a reconciliation between the North and the South after this bloody, horrific Civil War?
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And the left is the one pushing for tearing down the statues because the left hates our history and they don't just hate Robert E. Lee and they don't just hate whoever, Stonewall Jackson.
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They hate Lincoln and they hate Washington and they hate Jefferson and they want to tear down those statues too.
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And they've been tearing down those statues for at least a year and a half now.
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But Kevin McCarthy here is taking this tact of saying, oh yeah, please tear down the Confederate statues.
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I'm going to give in to that policy that you guys are pushing.
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I'm going to give in to that policy that you are making a big national political issue.
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And you don't even realize how owned you just got.
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I don't think the Democrats today feel any care about the fact that Andrew Jackson or any of the Confederates or any of the bad people in history were Democrats.
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I think they just want to tear down our nation's history.
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And I think it's so, so short-sighted to say, well, yeah, Robert E. Lee, he was a terrible, rotten traitor.
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We should tear down anything that in any way represents the South.
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The whole point of putting up the statues in the first place was that we need to bring our country together with malice toward none and charity for all.
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So much, well, you know, we're not going to hear that line from Abraham Lincoln much longer because we're going to tear down his statues too.
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The left takes this way too far and they say the parties switched, which just didn't happen.
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It's not as though one day all the Republicans and Democrats sat down together and said, okay, the year is 1964.
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From now on, you guys are going to be the Democrats and we're going to be.
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But parties do shift over time and parties change.
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And not even that they come to resemble one another, but they just change in and of themselves.
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Tearing down our history, especially history that was put up to reconcile the country, is just a bad idea.
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And it's part of the broader, ruthless, withering criticism of the country.
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And it's part of the attempt to reframe our history and make America look like the bad guys, which is the entire point of the 1619 Project.
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Now, I don't want to be too hard on Kevin McCarthy.
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I think a lot of boomer Republicans are pulling these same lines.
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I think they need to realize that these little cheap rhetorical flourishes are not going to work very well.
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But McCarthy's doing some other good stuff too.
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McCarthy demanded yesterday that an investigation be launched into explosive allegations that Joe Biden's administration spied on Tucker.
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So Tucker goes out, makes this claim, says, the NSA is spying on me.
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But no, at least Kevin McCarthy is looking into that.
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This is a much more important issue than whatever the next tax cut is.
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But this is a much, much more important issue than whatever the usual Republican fare is.
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I just wish that Republican leaders would recognize that these cultural issues are, it's, they're all kind of connected, right?
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The idea that the blob is going to spy on Americans and eat away at our political tradition.
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The idea that we're going to tear down statues, by the way, not just of Confederates, but of all of our other forebears as well.
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The idea that we're going to reframe American history.
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It's all part of the same revolutionary project, okay?
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The establishment, by which I mean, I mean the blob.
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I mean the administrative state and big tech and the media.
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They're all kind of, and the universities and the schools, they're all working in concert.
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They're taking power from the American people, from the constitutional system, and they are changing it.
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And this has been a process that's gone on for a hundred years.
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It's gone on since at least Woodrow Wilson, they are not giving up power.
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L.A. County right now, L.A. County officials are calling to lock down again.
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They're calling for the masks again because of the Indian variant, which we're not even allowed to call it the Indian variant, by the way.
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The WHO told us we have to, we have to use the Greek alphabet now.
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So it's not the Indian variant, it's the Delta variant.
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It was fine when it was the U.K. variant because white guys are terrible.
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So you get, forget about, you know, they're awful people.
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But the minute that you're talking about a non-Western country, you're talking about India or something, that's very racist.
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You're talking about the China virus where they actually invented the virus.
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Know that you can't say it's COVID-19, it's SARS-CoV-2, it's the Delta variant.
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And because there is this new variant, we've all got to lock down again.
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From the very beginning of this epidemic, I have basically been licking doorknobs, okay?
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I've been greeting people on the street with a French kiss almost, okay?
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Don't, I'm joking, by the way, we're going to get to Bill Cosby later.
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But I have been very inclined to ignore all of the advice from the Dr. Fauci's of the world because those people are liars and they've squandered all their credibility.
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It's going to go on for another 18 months if you let them.
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Defense secretary for Bush, one, I think he was the youngest secretary ever at that point.
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Then defense secretary for Bush, two, I think he was the second oldest secretary at that point.
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He had Rumsfeld's rules that would circulate around Washington.
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He went out on a sour note because he was presiding over the Iraq war,
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and everyone just blamed him for why the Iraq war didn't go very well.
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And he bears some blame, but he really doesn't bear all the blame that people heaped on him.
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Don Rumsfeld had one of the most famous lines in politics over the past 20, 30 years.
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And people made fun of him for this line, but I think we need to learn.
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Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me
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That is to say, we know there are some things we do not know.
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People made fun of him for this for weeks and weeks.
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This is one of the most sophisticated observations that has come out of our political system in a very long time.
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Saying there are some things that we know that we know.
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There are other things that we know that we don't know.
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It's a gap in our knowledge, but we're at least aware of the gap.
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And then there are other things that we don't know that we don't know.
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Now, the philosopher, Slavoj Žižek, actually took this a step further.
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And he said, known knowns, known unknowns, unknown unknowns.
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The unknown knowns are the ones that I think we've really got to focus on today.
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Because that is what has subtly changed our entire culture.
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Slavoj Žižek says there are some things that we don't know that we know.
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We know things, but we're not aware that we know them.
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Ideology is very often the thing that we just don't even know it.
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And so we're just not aware of it, but it shapes so much of what we do.
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This is the topic of my book, Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds, which is
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So thank you for everyone who has ordered the book.
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I'm glad it's getting very nice reviews on Amazon.
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So thank you for people who are leaving those there.
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The way that the left twists language in particular, but institutions as well, is so subtle that
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And we are not even aware that that has taken place.
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Okay, they're doing it right now in a very clumsy way with the pronouns.
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Ordinarily, they just smuggle in this language and it's no big deal.
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They did it with same-sex marriage very easily.
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And subtly, they said, you know, marriage for all of human history had been about the
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At the most basic level, it involved sexual difference.
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They said, you know, it's like a Jedi mind trick.
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And then we just used that word and we said, oh, of course, yeah.
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So yeah, so then the question is, who deserves the right to get married?
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Well, everybody deserves the right to get married.
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The way that we went from a bum to a tramp, to a homeless person, to now an unhoused person,
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The unhoused person, why he's just a victim of circumstance.
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Ideology defines which one those are going to be.
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Do we have an ideology of personal responsibility?
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Do we have an ideology of oppression at the hands of, in the case of our society,
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the straight white men who know that they're men and the patriarchy and all of that?
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We're seeing this with this Olympic gal, you know, the Olympian who, she got third place
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in the Olympic trials for throwing a hammer and then she used the opportunity to disrespect
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the American flag and in so doing our entire country and all of her countrymen.
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And then she wants to go represent the country at the Olympics.
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So this lady, I'm not even going to say her name.
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I don't think we need to reward this individual's temper tantrum and anti-American activism by
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saying her name and giving her publicity, which is exactly what she wants.
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But she went on some television show that I haven't heard of and she explained herself.
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She said she wasn't, not disrespecting America, she just hates the Star Spangled Banner.
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You know your history, you know the full song of the national anthem.
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The third paragraph speaks to slaves in America, our blood being slain and piltered all over
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It's disrespectful and it does not speak for black Americans.
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The third stanza of the Star Spangled Banner does not refer to slaves' blood being slain,
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slang and piltered all over the ground because those aren't words.
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I mean, I suppose they're, slang is a word, but it doesn't mean what she thinks it means
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That's why that's not, that's why that's not what's happening in the third stanza.
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Second of all, the meaning of that verse, which is, refers to the hireling and slave and
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about how, how no refuge will save the hireling and slave, the meaning of that verse is really
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It may refer to American slaves, but it also very likely refers to the German troops, for
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instance, that the British were hiring and who, who were purchased from German princes.
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It may refer to the British process of impressment.
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The author of the Star Spangled Banner never made clear what he meant by that expression.
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Regardless though, let's just say it's even right.
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Let's say it's referring to slaves who went and fought for the British and, and the Star
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Spangled Banner talks about how terrible they are.
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Who's, whoever sings the third verse of the Star Spangled Banner?
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It's a completely contrived problem because you're using the excuse of a line about a slave that
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may or may not refer to American slaves as a justification for getting rid of the whole
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Star Spangled Banner as part of the project of reframing American history.
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Well, now there's a black national anthem, which is sometimes played at public events.
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Well, now there's the Juneteenth national independence day, the new national independence
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There is the traditional understanding of America centered around the goodness of the
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Now there's the new reframing of America put forward by the 1619 project.
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This woman says, if you know your history, you know this.
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She doesn't, barely knows the English language, but what she does know is ideology and she
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This sick ideology that is totally contrary to our country and contrary to her flourishing
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and the flourishing of all of our countrymen has just seeped in and she's not, she's just
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I totally disrespected it, but I still want to play in the Olympics.
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I never said that I didn't want to go to the Olympic games.
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That's why I competed and got third and made the team.
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All I said was I respect my people enough to not stand or acknowledge something that
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I mean, I learned that family matters, um, despite the economic oppression that we faced
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growing up, you know, I still have my family and my grandmother.
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She did everything she could to make sure that we survived and had a roof over our head.
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Uh, well, if you disrespect the star spangled banner, which is the symbol of the country,
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If you disrespect the symbol, you're disrespecting the symbolized.
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Yeah, I know you do, but it's not about you, lady.
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It's about the team which represents the country.
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She says, yeah, we faced economic oppression growing up.
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Oppression, not we had economic troubles, not we had economic suffering, which a lot of us
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have, probably all of us have at some point in our lives, or the vast majority of us do.
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It wasn't because a family member didn't, didn't go work hard.
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It wasn't because someone wasn't able to overcome.
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Somebody did this to us through no fault of our own.
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Then she says, I'm not saying I hate the country.
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And she's saying that the national anthem is against black people.
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The star-spangled banner, a symbol of the whole country, is opposed to black people.
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And so when push comes to shove, she's going to side with the black people over America
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Actually, the only way we can have a country is if we believe that our people are the American people.
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There's a national identity, state identity, local identity, religious identity,
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racial identity, family identity, the basic political union.
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In order to have a flourishing society, all of those things need to be in order, of accord,
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in subsidiarity, to use a technical term, okay?
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But increasingly, what we're seeing is division between, well, actually, even within the family,
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and then between the family and the state and the state and the country and the races.
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Obviously, they're trying to gin up racial division and sexual division.
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They're trying to put that all against one another.
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In order for the country to flourish, your people has to include all of those things.
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Down the family, up to the race and the community and everything, all the way up to the nation.
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It's taught her a lot of things she knows that she doesn't even know that she knows.
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Ben today is going to be talking about some of the sexual perversion going on,
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Unless you don't like it, then don't let me know.
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Racial grievance is probably the most significant form of currency today.
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That lady at the Olympics who disrespected the American flag and the whole country at the Olympic trials,
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she says, well, you know, but it's my people and the oppression and the grievance.
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And okay, she's probably going to get off the hook.
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This is true even at fairly high levels of politics.
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The one thing I kind of respect about Lori Lightfoot is her just absolute brazen cynicism.
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She just, she's just a pure power, corrupt machine politician.
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And there's something, you've got to give a grudging respect to that.
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So Lori Lightfoot is in big trouble because crime is spiking throughout Chicago.
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She's, she's lying and pretending that it's down year over year.
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But you've seen huge spikes, you know, up, up in crime, in shootings and in murders.
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And Lori Lightfoot says the only reason people are complaining about this is because she's a black woman.
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There have been questions raised about your, your temperament and your reaction to criticism.
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How much of this do you think might have to do with the fact that you're a woman and particularly, specifically, a black woman?
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Did, did people say that Rich Daly held, you know, tea sessions with people that he didn't disagree on?
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Rahm Emanuel was a polite guy who was a uniter?
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Women and people of color are always held to a different standard.
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She can't become the mayor of a major American city.
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Amazing how that, the racism didn't prevent her from rising to a very high political position.
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Has nothing to do with the bullets and the deaths and the, the riots that took place and the looting and the arson and the murders.
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And no, no, it's just because she's a black woman, right?
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By the way, if you dare, if you dare criticize that kind of line of argument, oh man, the establishment is going to come after you.
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Especially if you are a white person, especially if you're a white dude.
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There was a host on MSNBC, Tiffany Cross, who just recently attacked Bill Maher.
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And he's a liberal who is not totally politically correct.
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And so, he sometimes goes after the excesses of the woke people.
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And, you know, he reserves most of his criticism for the right, but a little bit for the left.
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Delves right into the identity politics of identity politics.
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This is a black woman saying that that white man needs to shut his mouth.
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Okay, Bill Maher has been whack for a long time.
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From his make-out session with the blackface expert, Megyn Kelly,
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to his infamous use of the N-word on his show, for which he later apologized,
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and his continual mostly white weekly panels where he sings sob songs to them
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and chides anyone who falls even slightly outside of his myopic, privileged view.
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Anybody find it interesting that this quote-unquote liberal ally
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is sounding a lot like a moderate Fox News contributor?
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Bill Maher, you do not get to tell people of color
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Try that instead of standing on your alabaster perch every week
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while providing a safe haven for well-established white supremacists.
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Because I gotta tell you, this old angry white man act is so played.
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The truth is, what's happening now is an evolution.
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And you are fighting for your power and privilege to not become fossilized
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while basking in the rays of your own non-existent cleverness
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And quite frankly, it's just offensive at this point.
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The country, like it or not, is changing in real time.
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Whoa, man, this woman is a vile, vile racist, right?
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Do you, I mean, I know the word racist doesn't mean anything anymore
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because the left has watered it down to mean nothing.
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But if racist means anything, it means that woman, right?
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This entire attack is on Bill Maher because he's white.
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His alabaster perch, stay in your lane, white man.
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How dare you question the lived experiences of black people?
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How dare you question the lived experience of that white guy named Bill Maher?
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By your own logic, you're saying one cannot ever criticize the opinions and actions of someone of another race, right?
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Even crazier, you'll very often hear the left say that there is this crazy conspiracy theory
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that the left wants to replace white people as a demographic in the United States
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and that they're cheering it on as the process of immigration and things like that lead to a declining demographic.
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And that's a sick white supremacist conspiracy theory.
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She's the one saying the demographics are changing.
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You're, you're ossifying, you're turning into a fossil on the basis of your race
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and other races are gaining in power and we're going to have a racial politics
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That is, I don't know of any, well, first of all, how many white supremacists are there in America?
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I don't know, like three and they all work for the FBI, but, but I've never heard of,
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of a white supremacist articulating that alleged conspiracy theory
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I, I don't think that she knows what she's saying.
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I don't, I think she, much like the, the broad, the, the left broadly,
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and this leftist broad, by the way, I, I think that she is living in the unknown known,
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that there's just this ideology is blinding her to the, the glaring contradictions in what
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Or if it's not a contradiction or if it's not hypocrisy, then it's just this double standard.
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And it's double standard along the lines of race and to a lesser degree sex in this case.
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Because Bill Maher's big transgression is not just that he's white, but he's, he's a white man.
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And you're not, not allowed to criticize anybody.
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And by the way, this, this woman's vile racist attack, not, not even the creepiest, craziest,
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most radical thing we've seen in the past few days.
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Yes, kink belongs at pride and I want my kids to see it.
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There was the homosexual rights movement, men who were attracted to men.
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Then there was the transgender rights movement.
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Men who think that they're women, women who think that they're men.
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And then there's this idea of kink, which is what Drew, Drew will sometimes use the,
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the British expression, the old slap and tickle.
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That's, you know, that's kink is just when you have some kind of unusual sexual fetish or sexual fantasy.
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And that is now considered not just some kind of quirk because mankind has fallen
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and we've all got kind of weird things going on in our head.
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That is now considered a full-on sexual identity.
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And not just a sexual identity, but because sex is now so central,
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sexual desire is so central to everyone's sense of self,
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So this woman, I won't go through this entire disgusting, disgusting article,
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but she's talking about, she takes her little kids to go see this pride march.
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And she says that her wife is trans, but wasn't out at the time.
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So I guess that means her wife is, does that mean her, I don't know what that means.
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So she typically only expressed her authenticity and the privacy of our home,
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but she wore a green skirt and light makeup, brushing her hair to one side.
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So I guess it's a man who thinks he's a woman or something.
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Anyway, they bring the kids to this pride parade.
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And then as we got settled, our elementary schooler pointed in the direction of oncoming floats,
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raising an eyebrow at a bare chested man in dark sunglasses,
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whose black suspenders clipped into a leather thong.
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The man paused to be spanked playfully by a partner with a flog.
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My curious kid asked as our toddler cheered them on.
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The pair was the first of a few dozen kinksters who danced down the street,
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laughing together as they twirled their whips and batons,
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At the time, my children were too young to understand the nuance of the situation,
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These folks were members of our community celebrating who they are and what they like to do.
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And then she goes on to explain how happy she is that her kids are watching perverts spank one another
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Obviously, these children should be taken away from this mother.
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In this case, I genuinely do hate to say I told you so.
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Often I jokingly say I hate to say I told you so.
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In this case, I actually am sorry to say that I told you so.
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Whenever the sexual revolution has progressed from the 1960s to the present,
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this is going to lead to this, and this is going to lead to this,
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and this is going to lead to this, and this is going to lead to the sexually abusive children.
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And every step of the way, the left and the sexual revolutionaries have said,
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In every single instance, the slippery slope has been corrected.
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And now I think we're basically down at the bottom of the slippery slope.
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I do actually explain in my book, Speechless, available now to order,
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If second wave feminism is true, and men and women are basically the same,
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they're interchangeable, a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.
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If that is true, the only differences between men and women are superficial,
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then obviously you've got to redefine marriage because men and women are the same.
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So if marriage is the union of one man and one woman, but men and women are the same,
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then obviously marriage must include the union of two men and two women.
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But if that's true, then obviously you have to have transgenderism
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because if men and women are exactly the same and the only differences are superficial,
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why then men can be women and women can be men?
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Maybe they have to get a little cosmetic surgery, but that's it.
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And by the way, if this is true, if that's a fact of human nature,
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that men can be women and women can be men and there's really no difference,
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There are plenty of things children don't consent to because children can't consent to anything
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because they haven't reached the age of reason or the age of maturity.
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So, you know, parents decide what their children are going to eat.
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Parents decide where their children are going to go to school.
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And parents now will decide whether their children will express themselves as a boy or a girl
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And the right-wing arguments from consent or free choice or individual liberty
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and total misunderstanding of liberty or individual autonomy or whatever,
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You've actually got to be able to draw a line and say,
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exposing children to perverts spanking one another in thongs is wrong.
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And we need punishments for the people who transgress those laws.
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they are not just taking place at the kink section in the kiddie area of the pride parades.
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And now some of them exist outside on the way out of our jails, namely Bill Cosby.
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Bill Cosby was exposed for lots and lots of creepy sexual acts over his career.
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And the story was always a bit convoluted because these stories came out only decades and decades later.
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Women at the time did not seem to think that they were exactly rape or maybe they were,
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but they maintained relationships with Cosby for professional reasons or even personal reasons.
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And then later on, they say, no, I really was abused.
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And then, so finally, one of these cases that was not outside of the statute of limitations,
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Well, Cosby now is getting out on a bit of a technicality, but the technicality was this.
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And the prosecutor says, if you admit to doing certain things, we will not prosecute you for them.
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So for the purposes of the civil trial, just admit it, just say you'll do it,
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and then we'll carry on with the civil issue and you'll get immunity on the criminal charges.
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And then they basically pull the rug out from under him and say, actually, nope, sorry.
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So he goes to jail and now Cosby is getting out.
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The issue with the Cosby story is everyone is really trying to oversimplify it.
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So on the one hand, you've got the Me Too movement, which is saying this guy is just the worst rapist in the history of America.
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And it's just clear cut and he's like a guy in an alleyway.
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Bill Cosby was a very, very powerful guy in Hollywood who used young women for sex and some women used him for professional advantage.
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And that doesn't excuse Bill Cosby's behavior in any way, but it complicates the story a little bit.
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The Weinstein story was complicated because many of his victims, many of the people who claimed that he raped them,
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continued seeing him, continued a sexual relationship with him for a long time because he was one of the most powerful people in Hollywood.
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And they felt either intimidated that they would be in danger if they spoke out or they felt that they would lose their career.
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And many people did lose their careers when they did speak out against him, which furthered the issue.
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Now, some people have taken the complete opposite position.
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They said, look, in a lot of, maybe not every case with Cosby and with Harvey Weinstein, in many cases, though, that,
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and actually, I suppose Cosby, it's harder because he would actually drug these women.
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But in some cases, the women took drugs voluntarily and repeated times.
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But it's a little easier with Weinstein because Weinstein, it was so transactional so much of the time.
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This isn't, it doesn't meet, in at least some of the cases, it doesn't meet the criminal definition of rape.
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The third option is, even if Cosby and Weinstein, in most of these cases, were not predators lurking in a dark alleyway late at night,
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even if there was complexity and nuance, and even if there were relationships here, and even if the relationships went on afterward,
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and even if the women at the time, in some cases, didn't think it was rape, but later did,
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even then, what they did was intrinsically wrong.
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It is intrinsically wrong to pressure women into effectively becoming prostitutes to advance in their career.
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It is intrinsically wrong to indulge in what was obviously Bill Cosby's weird sexual fetish,
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kink, I guess you'd call it, of sleeping with drugged up women.
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That is in itself wrong, but we're not allowed to say that anymore.
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The reason that no one, very few people, only even just a handful of conservatives,
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not even a lot of conservatives go squish on this,
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but the reason that it's so hard to take that position is because you have to say that there is a purpose for sex,
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that sexual acts, that the rightness or wrongness of sexual acts does not merely rely on consent.
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Consent is obviously an important factor, but it does not merely rely on it.
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That some sexual acts, even if the parties are both willing participants, some of them are still wrong.
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Marilyn Manson, he's that very popular singer who is also probably the most famous Satanist in America.
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Gosh, who would have imagined that the world's most famous Satanist is not necessarily the greatest guy in the world?
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He had a long-term relationship with Evan Rachel Wood, and Evan Rachel Wood now comes out later and says,
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They both might be right, but the degrading sexual acts that they engaged in were intrinsically wrong.
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Speaking of weird sex stuff, a biological male who identifies as female, Cataluna Enriquez, is now Miss Nevada USA.
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It was crowned that way on Sunday, the first male contestant to become Miss Nevada.
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Nobody did this because this guy is the most beautiful of all the women, right?
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I remember when I was at Yale, there was a, it was like a Mr. Yale competition.
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And when I was there, they gave it to a woman and this was, this was a great win, right?
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But no one did it because they really thought that the woman was the coolest guy on campus or whatever.
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It was, it was just that thing that we're all kind of floating in.
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Well, of course, why can't, why can't a man be Miss Nevada?
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Well, but, but no, but it's just, it's all about just our free choice and our self-expression and our identity.
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Quentin Tarantino, movie star, speaking of some weird sexual desires.
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Tarantino was on Bill Maher's show of all things.
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And he said that art has become so ideological now.
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It seems like in this, especially this last year where, um, uh, um, what's the word I'm looking at?
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And it's just, you know, it's like, you know, ideology trumps art.
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We're all much more aware of this, but the reason we're more aware of that is because
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the radicals have upended what was the general consensus.
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There used to be a standards and a tradition in America that we all kind of agreed on and
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we were not aware of it because, and it gave us the ability to have a broad private realm.
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The personal was not so political because it was all just settled and we all agreed.
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And then the radicals came in, upended all of that, unsettled all of that, and then everything
00:46:05.700
That is a process I talk about at length in Speechless, exactly how that happened.
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Because of that, we must fight the political battle.
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We can't, we will not be able to go back to depoliticized, de-ideologized art before we
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It's been upended and it's up for, for contest right now.
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And we will either win or lose that before it settles down again.
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And then it will float back into the background as it, as it unfortunately is beginning to do
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And we will all just exist again in that, in that unknown known.
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A columnist pushes LGBT kink for children in the pages of The Washington Post.
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And President Biden is caught between a moderate rock and a radical hard place.